Real World Range Test: Ford F-150 Lightning vs Rivian R1T
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
- I fully charge my 2022 Rivain R1T and 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning and take them out on the highway to see which one can go farther in a head-to-head highway range test.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:57 Ground rules for the range comparison test
04:38 On the road and the range test begins
08:57 First check in at 75% state of charge in the F-150 Lightning
10:47 Check in with the Lightning at 50% state of charge
15:19 Final check in before we finish at 25% state of charge
20:49 Back home with the Lightning at 1% state of charge
24:17 Analyzing the numbers and the results
31:46 What's next
33:01 Outro
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I’ve had my Lightning for 9 months and have over 13k miles on it. Totally happy with my range. Best truck I’ve ever owned.
How(empty daily commute to office or loaded up farm/work truck, towing etc) and where (like highways, small town, interstates, city, extreme traffic city, flatlands or hills sort of "where", not important location name) do you drive
@@roberts.wilson1848 😂 u ok bro u wanna talk?
Ive had my R1T for 11 months already and 15K miles on it. Im just amazed at its capabilities. I drive in all purpose daily, conserve when traveling and rarely sport, but oh boy when i put it in sport 🤯.
How(empty daily commute to office or loaded up farm/work truck, towing etc) and where (like highways, small town, interstates, city, extreme traffic city, flatlands or hills sort of "where", not important location name) do you drive
@Robert S.Wilson first Ev, had 2 tacomas before this, but not really work trucks.
About 30mi round trip to work. Mainly city.
There is no towing other than a small trailer to take yard waste to the local dump when I trim large trees around my house (about 60mi round trip).
I do 95% of charging at work, usually on Mon and Fri. If I do anything during the week, then I also charge 1 more day at work. Typically 70% on mon, 85% on Fri.
It's pretty flat here in FL.
Gone on some easy/med trails near me and to the beach. Nothing major.
The furthest trip to Charlotte, NC from Orlando, added about 1 hour extra to my trip according to Waze, Ave eff 2mi/KWh.
Kinda nuts that the first gen 6,500-7,000# awd, crew cab, multiple motors, ev high hp pickups can get 65-75mpge at hwy speeds. 👍🏻
Puts it into perspective for my rwd 3.3 2019 f-150 super cab struggles to hit 20mpg empty on level ground at 65mph cruise control on. 😀
Know one else I know has a Lightning so I wish to thank you and all the other F-150 owners for sharing.
Great job, Tom. Enjoying my Rivian and Rivian outdoor wall charger in CO. My wife wants to sell her BMW and take my R1T. 😮
Great to see all the trees lined up along Route 80 out of Northern NJ. I grew up in Mount Olive! Great video and comparison of the 2 vehicles. You're going to love your R1S, I can't stop driving mine - Congrats!
Great video Tom (and Pete). An important real world comparison to show for those who are shopping trucks.
Thanks Tom, love these real world honest range tests…
Another excellent video. Keep it up
Always enjoy your content. Thanx for the head to head.
Great video. Both cars offer so much that just 2 years ago they would have been the most high tech cars in the world.
I've had my R1T for a month now and just hit 2,000 miles. On road trips, I've noticed an efficiency difference in conserve mode, but I keep it in standard suspension height because the comfort is important to me. Pete even mentioned it rides firm when lowered and it really does. I'll sacrifice the 5% efficiency for that soft ride.
As long as you can make it to the destination!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney always have! Love my Rivian.
Great stuff. Love the comparison.
Aero is far and away more important. Drive around at 40mph and under and range difference would narrow. Put “Typical” load ( weight of 4 people, luggage/cargo ) in each and it would narrow as well.
Midsize trucks ALWAYS get better mileage than full sized, no matter the “fuel”. Take away aero advantage or add load and they lose that advantage.
Keep up the great work.
I would love to see that tested. Since I'm willing to place a bet on the opposite being true, at least in mixed driving conditions.
Disengaging PM Motors have been shown to increase efficiency substantially. While aero effects require highway speeds.
So State of Charge does a highway test that finds there is a much larger difference between the Rivian and Lightning than the EPA which is mixed driving under controlled conditions. Your premise is that the Rivian also gets significantly better than EPA difference for low speed/city driving…. Not sure physics works that way. Shouldn’t have better highway and better city but equal mixed driving IMHO.
Maybe EPA tests are totally off? Could be. That’s why I’d like him to test it “real world” style
Highrafterranch1982: Tom, mentioned three variables that made the Rivian more efficient. I was suggesting a scientific comparison test of each variable, would be nice. And of course driving speed would vary the results.
But EPA testing, would not be applicable for numerous reasons. Such as the variability, that the EPA allows in EPA testing methodologies.
Lastly this is not about physics per se, it's about engineered design differences. Everything in the real world has to obey the laws of physics. But we are not splitting atoms here ;)
Great side by side‼️ 33:16
Really good video Tom! I always appreciate the number crunching at the end! There's one data point though that I'd be interested in seeing... I don't know if you have enough data to provide it. What would/could be TOC (Total cost of ownership)? Given you are in the process of selling the Rivian RT... Is it a better value to purchase (average consumer pricing) the Lightning or the Rivian?
Another exceptional comparison demonstration Tom. One question, did the odometer readings match... although they should, they might be off? Great job!
Not exactly, but very close
Always the best range and comparison tests, Tom.
Awesome to hear you are getting your R1S soon! As a fellow NJ-ian with an R1S order, about how long did you end up waiting?
I'm really looking forward to the range test with the other set of tires.
Love your videos you made me check my usage on my Model X I know nothing to do with these 2 vehicles but because of you I checked my B trip meter.
23,500 mi. 2.8mi/kWh
I live in northern NJ I use Rt 80 a lot and drive into NYC 3 days a week
Ps
2016 Model X. I’ll bet the newer X’s are more efficient
Excellent range comparison. I'm also curious about having a cover for the truck bed and how that affects the range or leave the tailgate open if there are no alarms.
As compared to existing trucks, a tonneau cover improves fuel economy, and for EVs, that extra 10% can help on the long range trips.
Even 1 mile is sufficient to make the difference from reaching the charging station or not. There are stupid people that will push to the limit or not be smart enough to realize the implication of using more charging station during long trips.
Great stuff thanks! To me, the fact that the ford is actually a full size truck wins it for me. Interior size and bed capacity makes it way more usable in the real
World if you’re going to use it as a truck. I do love the rivian as well, but I use my trucks as trucks and don’t have the money to own multiple expensive vehicles
Take a shot every time Tom says "State of Charge".
Woodford Reserve, please.
I have an E-Transit and a Lightning standard range lariat and both have pro power on board and both are on when you turn on the vehicle by default and this does effect range dramatically. I have made a habit of turning pro power off every time I turn the vehicles on. I just did a trip to South Lake Tahoe California this weekend and got 2.5 miles per kilowatt on the round trip of a total of 300 miles. We left our home in Stockton with 90% SOC and got to Tahoe with 20% SOC then as got into Tahoe we charged up to 75% SOC at an EA station and drove around as we needed and then left. Tahoe with 65% SOC and arrived home with 25% SOC.
This makes a lot of sense. As an electrified F150, the Lightning is not very aerodynamic. The rivian should do better as it smaller and has better aerodynamics. Love to see direct comparisons like this, though!
I think Ford was smart - make the first E F150 appeal to traditional pickup buyers. Guaranteed the next gen will look entirely different.
@John-Del oh, absolutely! I thinking the Ford did an amazing job with the Lightning. Very excited to see the next generation of it and the new truck they're building in Tennessee
there's also economies of scale advantages.... since many of the same parts, are used across the F150 product line.... plus in the case of an accident, repairs will be easier and cheaper...
But each different approach has disadvantages and disadvantages.... I'm really looking forward to the range extended RAM REV...
@@ohger1 I wholeheartedly agree.
@@nc3826 Yes, the cost of the transition to electric is enormous. Shared parts helps keep costs down during the transition.
Great vídeo !
i have a Tesla and a Volvo eletric!
But I love Porsche Turbo S !
Hi Tom, your R1t also has a tonneau cover. The newest models don't come with them. Maybe you can do a test with your cover open?
Tom, I am making my Observation and comment before watching the full video lol I like to see if I am spot on, so as you know vehicle manufacture does many testing with the type of tires they selected, is the tires on the Ford F-150 a manufacturer recommended tire that they sell at the dealer for the F150 lightning? If not that’s a major disadvantage not a small one, is the tires on the R1T stock manufacture tires? So even if the test is side by side the Ford already is at a x2 disadvantage, honestly I would do the test with all stock manufacture tires because it’s more likely everyone would be using their stock tires on their new truck no?
Ok just watch the full video, you state you wanted to be fair if that’s the case why not setup both vehicle as Close as possible not deliberately given one vehicle advantage over the other, like keep the R1T in normal driving mode, setup with high driving hight and leave the tunnel cover open, you already change the tire on the Ford hmmm seems one sided, both vehicles should have disadvantage not advantage over each other to be fair that is .. I do like this test however, but I take it as max advantage for the R1T vs disadvantage F150 perfect test under that setup conditions
Change the typers out and do the test again and if you do it again after that try it with the lightning bed covered to see how the better aero affects the result
When you test the Lightning with the all season tires try putting a tonneau cover on the bed and see if that improves your range
Tom, I was wondering if you would ever temporarily put a shell over the bed to see what impact it would have on range? I have seen that putting a tonneau cover on the Lightning does not improve range, but I was wondering if the improved aerodynamics of a shell might? Anyway, food for thought if you get bored this summer!
I don't think I could properly measure any improvement, because if there is, it will be very minimal and we'd really need a more scientific way to test it, like in a wind tunnel. The same goes for the tonneau. I believe it makes a slight difference, but testing it in the real world, with traffic and different temperatures and wind effect, it's just not possible to run a test that you can properly rely on, IMO.
On your lightning, the light bar in the front, did you black that out? If so, Looks solid!
I tinted it with Luxe headlight tint
Thank you for the real world test. But it makes me wonder.
If Rivian has an eco-mode for highway driving, that under hard acceleration will automatically engage all-wheel drive? If they don't they should add it.
No, it won't as some other EVs do. It will remain in two-wheel drive until you change the drive mode.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney thanks for confirming my assumption.
Driving my week old F-150. 2.0 mpkW over 1,700 miles so far.
The Rivian sounds a lot noisier, but perhaps that’s due to the different microphones set up. Could you comment on the real world quietness of each truck please?
That's correct. The Lightning is definitely quieter inside.
Not surprising. Ford has built tens of millions more trucks than Rivian…. They are also quieter and nicer riding than Teslas
Having now driven both Tom’s Rivian and Lightning in range tests, the Lightning’s cabin is much quieter.
The lightning is my favorite, I think
I wonder if the Rivian being in the rear added to its range a bit. Its not cutting through the air in the same way (not accounting for size).
It was in the lead an equal amount of time, we kept switching
Imo I would put tonneau on ford or leave open at rivian so will have not disadvantage to rivian .it’s like you said tires will make different and sunroof cover as well.😊Maybe good to find out if and how much difference will be as well 👍🤔
Tom and I had this discussion before we went out on the road. I had the same concern. However, Tom said he researched it and found the tonneau/open tailgate theory to be an “old wive’s tale”. It doesn’t affect aerodynamics.
What is the weight and drag coefficient of each vehicle?
I love how you've modified the front of your Lightening...I think it looks cheap stock. Ford could've done a better job with their lightbar.
Tom, thanks for your reply - that's very interesting ... Given what you've stated, I'm really surprised there are no 20""all season" tire options for the R1T / R1S ... Seems like an very simple way to extend the range of these vehicles, so why aren't folks (like yourself) out there talking about 20" all season tire options to maximize range ? Just curious since so many people have huge range anxiety about EV's ...
If I had kept my R1T, I would have put a set of 20" A/S on it for sure.
I love my lightning, but it's my avg mi/k is about 1.7. I dont drive that aggressive and I dont tow with it. I think Ford really needs to come out with better tuning on the drivetrain and some new drive modes can automatically reduce motor power or manually set FWD/RWD only.
you can buy both these trucks at discounted prices now, which is nice. I suspect the prices will continue to go down because they are not selling as much as they had anticipated
As a suggestion, when you have Pete as your guest, have him play your intro and outro music. Because who doesn't love a tasty jam.
Good suggestion!
Hey, great idea! …but then he’d have to pay me royalties. 😋
Excellent Video ! I just wish you reviewers stop using these self driving features for these tests .
Why?
Great comparison but disappointed you didn't completely explain the wheel size implications during this test. The Lightening has it's "stock" wheel size for optimal performance while your R1T does not have it's stock wheel size. You did initially acknowledge your 20" wheels but then you seemed to only focus on the "all terrain" tires for this comparison. If you had stock wheel sizes on both vehicles (regardless of what type of tires), the range advantage of the R1T would have been even greater - correct? I own an R1T with stock 21" wheels and my overall miles per KWH is 2.52 on 9,800 total miles traveled (includes driving in tow / conserve / all purpose modes - with all purpose representing 80% of total miles driven). I'd also point out this mileage efficiency reference driving exclusively in Colorado (very cold mountain conditions throughout this past winter). I guess the bottom line is - using "stock" wheel sizes for both vehicles would have been an even more accurate comparison.
Well, it's really the fact that the 20" wheel option is only offered with all-terrain tires. In fact, if Rivian offered a 20" wheel option with all-season tires, it would most likely be EPA range rater higher than the 21" wheel option with all-season tires as you have. Typically, the smaller the wheel diameter, using the same tires will have a greater rage rating than the larger wheel diameter, all other things being equal. In this test, both vehicles are fitter with 20" wheels and all-terrain tires, so I believe it's the fairest comparison.
It would be interesting to see what the difference would have been with the Rivian in All Purpose mode and standard ride height.
I suspect that’s how you drove it to VT, which is a much more realistic drive mode. Sure if you need to eek out all the range you can, conserve and lowest is the way to go, but much less comfortable (which is probably why you drove the Lightning).
I used Conserve mode for that drive. I always do if I'm doing a range test because I believe anyone trying to extend the range for a long trip would do so also - at least they should!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney while if you are trying to eek out all the range I get it, but in reality the vast majority of people will drive I’m AP all the time beside some fun in sport mode.
hello I will buy nissan leaf model 2022
I am going to use it in middle east
the weather very high temperature.
could you advice about 11Kw which typ of EV charger to use it?
advice from hot Australia: Do not buy a Leaf. Battery degradation is crazy due to not existing thermal management.
I think the R1S would even do better, right?
Those beds take a lot of drag I guess.
I like both trucks, but not confident that Rivian will be around in 3 years. I’m not rolling the dice on a DeLorean or Bricklin & having zero support for parts & service beyond the aftermarket scraps.
Rivian also burns through more power when sitting doing nothing. That burn rate gets calculated in. Tesla's do not calculate that in to their long term trip meters. Ford may not as well. I too keep one that I haven't reset since I got the truck and it's at about 1.8. Yet, I reset my other meter almost daily and it's rare that I'm below 2.1 - 2.2 on every drive. So if every drive is 2.1 or better, why is the long term range only 1.8? Because the Rivian has higher vampire drain rates and unfortunately, it gets calculated into the trip meters.
I think if you were concerned with “fairness,” you should have opened the cover on the Rivian. You used the excuse that it came with it. But the F150 came with tires that you changed out to make it more even. So make it more even by giving the F150 a cover or opening the cover on the Rivian or put the stock wheels back on the F150.
myth busters already proved that covers make very little mpg difference with ICE trucks.
Why didn’t ford decouple the rear motor for better efficiency
Hey Tom, what’s your plan for selling R1T? Trade-in or private sale?
I already sold it to one of my friends.
hey, Tom, what was the average speed? thanks
I don't really focus on average speed in my testing. I often stop to adjust cameras or to look at the numbers and while I'm stopped the average speed just drops. Also, the first and 12 miles include a few traffic lights and the same thing happens, the average speed continues to drop while I'm waiting for the light. What I can say is that for about 225 miles of the trip (90%) we drove between 65 mph and 80 mph, mostly at around 75 mph, though and it took us 4 hours and 20 minutes to finish, so if you just divide the miles by the minutes, we averaged about 60 mph for the whole trip, including the time we were stopped.
With Rivian Conserve Mode, I'd ONLY use on Highway driving. It's going to eat up the thread unevenly on the tires regardless, a bit less on the Highway. Also, don't put in Low or Lowest under Conserve, keep on Standard if you want to really save the tires from that camber angle. The difference between Standard and Low/Lowest on Conserve with respect to Range is not really significant and not worth destroying those tires
You mean tread not thread.... All wheel drive will eat up tires faster than two-wheel drive. What you're concerned about can be easily addressed, by rotating your tires.
@@nc3826 Clearly i cannot spell 🤣 Rivian alignment is performed at Standard height. When you use Low or Lowest for extended period you have to deal with Toe issues since now you have your tires turning to center of the vehicle and this impacts tire wear drastically. So i guess technically you can re-align for Low or Lowest setting to fix this but is it worth it if you're not going to use those settings all the time. Rotating tires isn't going to fix this issue. Better off using Conserve with Standard height, you're not losing significantly on Range doing this
@@derekmodric2693 I never stated, that rotating tires, "fixes" anything. Instead it addresses irregular tire wear. If you disagree, please tell me what you think tire rotation is for? It's done just for laughs and giggles??? lol
Lastly , the toe-in alignment issue that you infer that Rivians have, would result in handling problems. Which is far more serious than some irregular tire wear. So good luck with that.
FWW I'm sure my spelling and grammar, sucks far worse than yours does 😂😂😂😂
I have the Ford Lighting Standard Range. Any reason to get home charger vs just using 240v plug?
If the portable charger suits your needs then that's fine. I will stress to make sure you have an industrial-grade outlet installed, not a cheap Leviton one because they tend to burn up after a lot of use. Personally, I would really recommend getting a wall charger and hardwiring it. Yeah, it will cost you a few hundred bucks more, but it's a better installation, it's safer and you'll charge faster.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I did get a Charger. Nice to have a full Charge in 10 hours. Never seem to need a station anymore for most of my driving.
I’d never drive in lowest suspension. Extra wear on the tires and way to uncomfortable on a extended drive. Conserve mode + Standard height
What’s the most “economic” tire size for the lightning? I know that Rivians 21” is far more economic than 20 or 22.
The Lightning with the 20" wheels and tires has the highest EPA range rating. The Lightning Platinum has 22" wheels and A/S tires and it loses 20 miles of rated range because of them.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney isn’t platinum 22”?
@@abs2528 Yes, they are indeed.
Need to test R1T with load in Conserve mode. Is it as efficient with the equivalent of 4 people and luggage etc??? You may be shocked ( or maybe not) . It might get similar mileage, worse or even better when loaded down.(compared w normal mode)
Underpowered gas trucks get better mileage unloaded and way worse mileage when heavily loaded/towing than higher hp trucks. Are electric trucks the same????
Need to test quickly before you trade in on the R1S!!!
Regn is an offsetting factor
Be interesting to run the test with the same psi on both vehicles.
Also be interesting to close the lightning sun roof, looked like more sun was coming in on the f-150 and the AC maybe working harder.
Also with not conservative mode would the rivian be closer to the f-150?
I think there should be a rematch with the rivian without conservative mode.
No tonne cover
@@CraigMatsuura The AC was on 68 degrees and fan setting #1, not auto. So closing the roof wouldn't matter at all.
How did you tint the front light bar?
I used Luxe headlight tint
Also to be fair, the Rivian doesn’t come with a tonneau cover anymore.
So Rivian exceeds its rating and the Ford isn't being honest about their maximum range. That's my take since no one else will say it.
The bed is a big disadvantage for sure
Not gonna lie…. More and more it sounds like even though something is clearly better or something of the like with facts, people (especially older generations) will still buy the “lesser” product due to being “old fashioned”, “brand loyalty”, Or whatever reason someone can come up with to choose the “lesser” product. Honestly, you can argue all you want and your welcome to but i will never understand why someone does something even when provided facts something else is better.
The Rivian sounds much louder.
It is
Tom beat me to it.
Average speed under 60mph is hardly real world traveling speed. But it's clear the Rivian is way more efficient.
As Tom pointed out, this wasn’t his typical maximum range test. It was a real world daily driving test to compare the two trucks. So the average speed doesn’t matter. That said, at times we were driving 75mph.
I like the Rivian, but I just can't get over that Little Orphan Annie face on it...
I love the robot face 🤖
different strokes for different folks 🤔
lol I have to agree with you.
I agree. It's an awesome truck otherwise, I just shield my eyes when I walk up to it from the front 😂
EPA range comparison is useless unless adjusting for climate.
Since OEMs can choose different EPA testing methodologies.... It's useless for comparison purposes....
For now I'll stick with gas since we drive at 80 Mph typically on most highways. Double the battery capacity for the same weight and it will look better, although for towing that really needs to be three times the capacity with quicker charging times.
Use the right tool for the job and what you prefer! Personally, you couldn't pay me to drive a gas vehicle anymore. Too slow, too loud, too much maintenence and too expensive to fuel.
First, I agree with Tom, whatever floats your boat. However, these trucks will still take you plenty far at 80mph (I drive 80 in my Tesla with similar range frequently) farther than I can go without a restroom break at which I can easily add another 100 miles of range, more if I grab a coffee. Both of us had to stop for a restroom break during this test. Towing. I hear generalized statements like yours a lot, but it matters a whole lot what you are towing, how far you are towing it, and also how often. Are you towing a 10,000lb RV trailer 1000 miles once a month? Well, yeah, that might be too great an inconvenience. Once or twice a year? Maybe not considering the overall savings may out weigh the inconvenience. Are you a landscaper or contractor towing your equipment from job to job, or a fisherman towing your bass boat to your favorite lake for just the day? Then most likely no problem, you probably aren’t driving more miles than the truck can handle including the tow in one charge. I’m sure there are grey areas in between where one has to decide which truck fits one’s need better. My point is, you can’t say in general electric trucks are either great, or suck, at towing. The job matters. Bottom line, one needs to look at the big picture to decide whether EV or ICE better suits you for towing, but again as Tom said it’s always your choice. My $.02.
I agree with Tom’s excellent points. You’ll be lucky to reach 20 mpg in a gas truck while an EV version will deliver over 60 mpge even at highway speeds.
Consider too how many miles are non-highway where mileage is 15-20% higher in an EV and lower for gas.
I stopped buying gas vehicles in 2017 and owed multiple Teslas, Lucid, MB, plus rented Polestar 2 and Tesla.
Here's a real-world example:
Last Sunday we left Edmond, OK after church and drove to Pueblo, CO. Using ABRP set with an extended-range Lightning leaving at 12:10 PM, it says we should arrive in Pueblo at 10:04 PM (time corrected). This requires 1h56m of charging time, using a less direct route, for a total travel time of 10h54m as it also specifies no more than 65 Mph for part of the route.
Driving a gas vehicle (Ford Escape) leaving at the same time with one fuel stop and two quick bio stops for my wife, we arrived at 7:45 PM. That's 2h19m less total time, which is quite significant even with the Lightning not towing or hauling anything.
Will improved batteries and/or range extenders eliminate this difference? Yes. But that is not what we have currently have to purchase. And for this expensive a vehicle, it will have to do more than just truck duties like our old 8ft bed SBC pickup.
@@petebremy49 For towing I'm basing the 2-3x range reduction on TFL's real world tests with normal trailers most people would generally tow.
Yes, I think something like a Lightning pro is a great choice for a tradesman driving a short range to a job site for a day, possibly using the battery to power tools. But any of these current trucks are currently a poor choice if you need to occasionally tow nearly anything (aerodynamic drag being the largest drain) more than a few hundred miles if you value your time (and can find working pull-through chargers).
So yes, use the best tool for the job. But if you only can have one, understand the limitations before buying.
Do the same test but add 5 more psi to the tires you will be shocked by the difference.
It would be even more pronounced if I released 5 psi :)
Perhaps it's just a cultural thing on my end, but those Utes are ridiculously oversized, especially the Lightening F150. For context, I grew up on a farm and learnt to drive in a Land Rover, starting aged 8 on a cold wet winter's day at 3am. My old man said to me to do this, do that, and that, then made me show him I'd listened properly - & that was it. My instruction to learning to drive....😂😂😂
UNFORTUNATELY, not too long after that as I turned 9, he had a change of heart, telling me that since I was "now old enough, fat enough, & ugly enough", I could get out onto the back of the Land Rover to do the feeding out of the hay while he stayed in the dry, warm cab.....😂😂😂 Such is the life of a country farm kid.
In case anybody thinks Dad was being mean, (old enough, fat enough, & ugly enough), in my family just means you're quite capable of doing x,y,z, for yourself - so get on with it, I'm not going to do it for you. Nobody takes offence, not even the kids. We all know there's no malice behind it.
People in US expect to carry plywood flat in the back so there has to be four foot between the wheels wells
We can't take offence.... Since "offence" is not even a word, on this side of the pond. Have a good day. mate.
@robert hamilton Well, so does the Down Under crowd. To be fair, there has been (some) shift to bigger Utes since I was a kid, because that's what's on the market. But we just don't have the same obsession with oversized vehicles as they do in Nth America, and certain segments of the Down Under population tow their boats down to the coast to be launched or caravans on holidays, so it's not a case that towing isnt a regular thing; our climate encourages outdoor pursuits.
@N C I don't get it. Offence is a word in the English language as in offended. Offense is when someone has broken the law. Two entirely different words, with entirely different meanings. And I'm not your mate.
@@pinkelephants1421 Nope...
"I didn't intend to give offense"
annoyance or resentment brought about by a perceived insult to or disregard for oneself or one's standards or principles.
George Bernard Shaw was quoted in 1942 as saying, "England (ie the Commonwealth too) and America are two countries separated by the same language."
I was just being sardonic about. Believe what you want, it's all good. And have a nice day mate.
Consumption rate is kwh/mile NOT miles/Kwh, which is a measure of efficiency. One should not say the consumption rate (kwh/mile) has gone up (which means less efficient and negative) but instead say what you mean which is "electric car efficiency" (mile/kwh) has gone up (a positive thing).
If your wife wants a truck get a rivian.
You need a lesson on design. What kind of slides are those?