Is a $500 Fox Factory rear shock worth it?
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- Is a Fox Float DPS Factory rear shock really worth it? How can I justify spending $500 to replace a Rockshox Deluxe Select shock that functions just fine?
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Keep in mind you might need to use volume reducing spacers, to get the support and sensitivity you need. Lower the pressure plusher it is, but easier it buttoms out and less support you have, but by reducing the volume you increase the support, thus can run lower pressure. But some shocks use two air seperate chambers you can pump up, these shocks don't. But the ones that do allow you to do the same using air pressure which eliminates deflating the shock and installing spacers every time you do an adjustment and need to test it. So you can do it easily on the trail. Only need a shock pump.
lower pressure plusher it is, is very misleading piece of information. It is true only to some extent. If somene setup shock by that thinking lower presue=plush he will quickly find out it is not true and it is terrible idea. If you go too far above 30% sag you will sit too deep in the travel which means every bumb you counter will feel terible and harsh because you are already hiting ramp in air spring curve, it will have terrible traction it will feel harsh and dead, it will be anything but plush. If you want plushier feeling you need to increase negative air chamber, some shock have that some dont, I believe if you install megneg can on that deluxe shock it would be on pair or better than that fox shock for 1/4 price, of course when we are talking about descending perfomance. I recomend everyone to try very high sag and full toknes in your shock and ride it, then set let say 26-28% sag with less toknes and you will find out which setup is more comfortable. You will get a idea and you can more easily fine tune to you preference. In general lowering pressure too much and increasing volume too much is terrible idea for "sensitivy and support".
@@QeX9 I should have been clearer, but you are right. Thx
@@mtbboy1993 Both of you are right and complete each other. I agree with both. I'd love a video where megneg gets compared to the fox dps, to check if you could get away with 80$ instead of 500$.
There is absolutely no way the shock alone can make you THAT much slower. Most likely you were just tired on the second lap.
Oh yeah I 100% agreed. I didn't really talk about the time much cuz I knew there's way too many variables
@@EvansMTBSaga ahhhhh gotcha.
You are currently my favorite MTB channel. Each and every video rocks!
What???? You like the channel of a guy who torque his suspension with an electric tool????? 🤣🤣🤣
I actually ordered this shock in for my norco sight 1 month ago, and it was a awesome upgrade from my monarch.
Normally you can go nearly equal fast on the descent with a hardtail or a fully. But on the HT you become earlier tired.
Your RS rear shock´s maybe a little too harsh, but I dont think that´s the only reason for the loss of nearly 30 seconds to the Fox Factory rear shock.
Oh yeah absolutely. I had a big race the day prior too so I was pretty gassed out
You give good info in your videos, probs my most fav channel about bikes along with Seth, stay at it 💪
100% I appreciate the straight forward “experience” approach.
Thank you for sharing this brother, cheers!
Honestly I love this guys videos
He’s probably one of my favourite bike TH-camrs
Keep up the good work
Dude heck yeah Zaid that's a huge compliment!
I wish I had your mechanical skills! Awesome videos
Thanks Matty! Your Roscoe thumbnails were a big inspiration to me back when I started!
I had the same experience but I was coming from a significantly less capable shock. No doubt it’s a great shock but if I had a Rockshox Deluxe I probably wouldn’t have bothered.
nice that you made this video short to get more clicks and got straight to the point
I do like the medium/trail setting on the Fox. I use it when I'm trying to conserve energy on long climbs. I know Rockshox has a similar one but I haven't tried it.
Now I can officially say it’s fully dripped out with the dabble kashima coat
20k subs brother is almost here🔥🔥🔥 you rock... gettings from Mexico
There is something about your videos I really love!
Heck yeah Richard, going to shout you out next video!
Got my 03 Jekyll 1000 with a lefty and fox float r. Bike looks and feels brand new despite the age. Fox float is amazing, can’t imagine how nice a modern one is. Also my lockout finally stopped working after years so might have to do a rebuild
Dude you're almost to 20k. Advance congrats to you.
I have the rock shox deluxe on my 2021 trek rail and it was a pretty good shock. but it blew through it’s travel fast probably because of the weight of the ebike. Then I put the megneg on and the deluxe is now an awesome shock. And megneg is less than 100.00. Great video.
Looking good in that Berm peak merch👌
Thanks for this video. It killed my urge to upgrade for no good reason.
amazing review! so good to see how far you've come on youtube dude :) you're gonna be up there with seth one day!
Always loving it broo💗
Much love from Philippines ‼️
Let’s get him to 20 k boys
Unfortunately for me, I can’t afford either of them, but..
1. I am a fan on Fox
2. $500 is a crazy amount for what it is, but that is the story of bike parts in this age, so in the grand scheme.. it is possibly worth it ,if you enjoy riding that bit more after the part swap.
Gotta try that Saga test loop one of these days. Great improvising on the tools you did there.👍
Haha the Saga test loop is nothing to write home about. Tons of good trails here in PHX though. I'd rather visit your guys trails, that Lucky 13 trail looks sick!
Duuude thank you for doing this series right.
Heck yeah thanks Sean!!
Evan, I wanted to let you know that Kashmia coat is not made by Fox. It’s a private company that has the secret sauce to create that coating that has the lowest coefficient of friction possible. They won’t share their proprietary coating secrets but it is extremely hard for them to keep the gold color the same. But it’s a sacrifice fox is willing to pay to have the smoothest travel which in return creates a more predictable tune and ride.
lol at "secret ingredients" lol again
The secret for budget shocks is to open the thing and put an oil for and it will perform as branded one
great honest review
Finally video out ❤️
I don't think these two shock are comparable nor are they meant to be. The Fox is much better but I can understand many riders may not need it or want to pay for the additional features and performance. If it gets improved tracking when riding more gnarly -rockie tech trails, then that is what counts more than speed in my opinion. I think a lot about how to ride without injury and have been hurt a lot by bad tracking, so I see spending more on a shock is for more than cushy climbing and faster descents. Also, if you have the desire to learn suspension set up then there is some value in having more compression/ rebound settings. The Fox Float DPS has 11 slow rebound settings and 3 fast compression settings in addition to 3 slow compression settings. That is more tunable than the Rockshock you are comparing it to.
0:09 ayyy thats me
Haha you made it in!
Love the honesty, thx
Short but very informative! Love it! So will you keep the fox on there? I guess so huh?
The Exa Form 588 RL is a great replacement rear shock for the money.
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I have the same shock and always keep it in the middle setting unless coming down hill then it goes to full open its good, and has a bigger air spacer then the normal shocks
The Polygon Siskiu T8 comes with a Fox Float shock (and Rythm 34 front). The T7 has the Rockshox Deluxe (and Rockshox Recon front).
That's a pretty good deal I'd say
Short answer: no, but if you have the money or need to make up time or weight then it is still a good upgrade.
Another great video
I feel like the factory stuff isn't worth the price increase.
I have a dpx2 performance elite and it works just as well as the factory, but I bought it for just 200€ used as new with a fresh service.
Still, great video. 30seconds seems like alot, but it might actually be true, especially if the loop has some uphills.
Bolt size is 1/2 28 for the correct ones
I couldn't find them at the hardware store! Thanks for that, I couldn't find that info online
You should’ve tried the megneg. Not sure if it fits on the D7 but the people that get em dialed say it’s way better than fox. Way more plush and the closest to a coil you can get
The good thing is that I'm going to use the shock for another upgrade video! So I really appreciate you telling me about the MegNeg so I can make it a big talking point in that video
I spent a little more and got the DPX2 and it is amazing on long hard descents, any upgrade you can afford is money well spent. My fox 36, dropper and head set cap all match Koshima colour. You must have purchased an older model.
nice upgrade in the tool too
You're the first to comment on that! I thought more people would notice haha. Still testing it out, not sure how I feel about it.
@@EvansMTBSaga for me it the best tool upgrade you can do because its automatic
I bought my Norco bike frame for $300 with a DHX Air on it. better upgrade :) Good video, love the content :)
20k 🥳
I actually 'downgraded' my trail bike to a Deluxe RT takeoff I have. My garbage Fox X2 blew up like they all do and the Deluxe actually suits the 130mm travel bike better anyway. Much more poppy and playful now.
Power tools? That’s a interesting choice.
More content! Best mtb vids on yt!
I'd love a video where megneg gets compared to the fox dps, to check if you could get away with 80$ instead of 500$.
Nice work on the hardware swap on the shock - I just did the same thing when I put a coil shock on my ripmo … it’s worth mentioning that DIY Hack isn’t a beginner service step … definitely outside my comfort zone … altho happy to report the coil on the ripmo is doing great (video coming soon)
Nice one. Please try a megneg test / comparison too. Some sites price it a 50$
Now you need to get the kashima dropper
You could try the MegNeg upgrade from RockShox
The biggest difference was changing to a coil shock. Brother, night and day difference! My new bike unfortunately won't fit a coil bummer.
I upgraded rear shock on my T7 and while it’s definitely nicer, I don’t think it’s worth the investment. The RS deluxe select+ is a pretty nice shock and you can add volume spacers to fine tune it. I think that money is better invested in a wheelset upgrade
My t7 came with 3 volume spacers installed already. I took them out when i installed the megneg and it's been great.
@@DQridesbikes I'm leaning towards doing the same thing.
Happy 20k
Sup Eugene I didn't know you changed your username.
Just a heads up on why the colors don’t match…. That rear shock is older than that fork and they made the kashima a different color in around 2020 I think.
you should upgrade to wireless shifting! it would make your bike loo way much cleaner with less cables!!!
That will be coming, doing a big series soon!
Letsssss goooooooo
Love the video
Great video
Have you looked at the MegNeg from rockshoxs? It’s an option i’m considering for my T7. Supposedly helps you get a little more mid stroke support from the deluxe.
Here I am riding around in a 60$ dnm air shock😂😂 Maybe one day I'll have the chance to soon get a nice trail bike but for now I'm happy in my upgraded bike I got for 300$😂
I always wondered the same thing, why does the Kashima not match!?!? The front is always gold and the rear more bronze colored. Close, but not a perfect match
These videos are so tough to be done "right" but I think you did a pretty good job.
The only thing that seems to be missing from your setup is talk about volume spacers. Correct setup should be about setting sag, riding, checking bottom out, changing spacer, etc. Ideally set your sag and use 80% travel on a normal, tame trail. On a gnarly trail you want to use about 95% leaving you a little room for error. Then adjust damping to suit and compare.
I know this adds more time to the comparison but it'll pay off in the long run.
I'm 10 months into ownership of my Trek Fuel EX 8 and I've finally got my suspension to 95% of where I'm happy. increasing the volume spacer by 20% and dropping air pressure by 5PSI made all the difference and now I have a much higher ride height despite very similar sag which means less bottom out, more real world travel and better mid stroke support without the harshness.
Sorry for the HUGE comment, I just love everything suspension and tyres :P
Nope, you set up your sag to be at 20 to 30 percent, set rebound accordingly, and add volume spacers according to how strong of a rider you are. Otherwise, your setting your sag to the trail, not you. Most of the actual fine tuning of this should be about better or worse after changing one thing slightly on the same section of trail, not by checking bottom out. Just listen to any podcast by an actual suspension designer and they will tell you that.
@@jonathanbaxter6254 I've read what you have to say and I understand where you're coming from. All I'll say on the matter is, you need to know where you're aiming for. If I setup my bike to what I think is right for my level and ride it at my local trail I might use 70% travel, take it to Dyfi and I blow through my travel, take it to Whistler and tackle A-line and I've smashed through my travel before I've even left the lip. You have to factor in where you're riding otherwise you'll end up with a bike more harsh than required or so plush it can't cope on the really gnarly stuff.
The Shock maybe $500 but you can sell the Deluxe for $300 so the delta is $200. Easy upgrades if you can sell the parts.
evan! i have notis on but never get them! haven’t don’t much mountain biking recently, but i’m excited for the opening of berm park, are you planning to travel out sometime?
Haha dang well better late than never ☺️ I'm still in grind mode for the channel so I don't really have plans to travel for riding yet. I've still never rode a bike park!
please do a test comparing a set of yesterdays underwear vs a fresh set. curious to see time difference on a typical 20mile ride
Sometimes you forget to do laundry ya know!
You need to do at least three runs on each shock to get more accurate results.
Are you sure the comments didn’t mean matching fox transfer dropper? 😂
You should get a Yt Capra core 4
I payed 840 for mine (dpx2 factory), it was worth it
Almost 20 let's goo
I think a comparison with SIDLuxe would be more accurate
Nice video man, but it's actually not that simple. You need a shock with the right tune for your bike. After that you can / should play with volume spacers and settings a lot.
How would I figure out what the right tune is for my bike?
@@EvansMTBSaga Send it to a suspension tuner and have them tune it. When upgrading it's usually good to go with the shock with the most adjustments to compensate for not having a tune to your bikes kinematics. Then it takes a bunch of runs on the same trail to tune your LSC and HSC.
Hey Evans I know the non- matching kashima sucks but you could apply a small amount of golden paint, then apply some primer to it. I know there could be more friction between the stanchion and the body so you could however process the stanchion and sand it before applying the paint. And if it is too risky you can always put some only on the body! Hope it will give you a new video idea!
Hahaha I'm pretty sure that would ruin the shock!
@@EvansMTBSaga not if you only touch the outside of the main body!!
What,i have Fox Float DPS LV evolv Perfromance oem rear shox and it came on Mondraker. It has 3 mode adjusting 4 open,medium and close position. I thought that it is standard for Fox 🤷
A year later has the propedal lever stopped working yet?
I would love to see what the difference is with the Rockshox if you add the megneg kit and tune it. Its only $100 and completely changed how my super d works on my polygon. It is incredibly progressive for my degenerated l5. I was bummed when I installed the super d ultimate and it felt like garbage for the first 30% until I installed megneg
The shock on the polygon can’t use the Megneg kit as it’s only avail for shocks with 47mm stroke and above. The Polygon’s shock is 45mm
@@OmarJGill huh? Mine is 55mm stroke
@@DQridesbikes Which bike do you have? On the D7 which Evan has the stroke is only 45mm
@@OmarJGill ahh gotcha
@@OmarJGill ahhh thanks for letting me know! I didn't realize they didn't sell them for the Lil guys. Mines a 205x65 on the n7.
Hola, que presión y rebote me recomendarias para el deluxe? Peso 80kg. Gracias
Did you put the one up carbon bars and the rental stem back on???
Fox air cans and damper bodies use a different allow than fork stanchions so the Kashima coat has a different finish.
The bearing mount is an aftermarket part so the previous owner just neglected to remove it. Very few bikes come with the bearing kit installed.
Please do not clamp your damper body in the vice. Even with soft jaws you are asking for trouble. 1 single nick and you just blew upwards of $200 and a month of riding.
I have Deluxe and I do 5 foot kickers and it's fine 🤣
the problem is Fox 34 is not a big enough fork for that bike
please make a video with bicyle computer.
Most people don't care about how these work but how they look.
These DPS shocks (be it factory) are awful specially for someone that's 200 lbs+. You literally gotta pump the air spring north of 250 psi to get the sag. There are much better inline shocks out there like Manitou Mara (inline) that needs half the pressure.
Haha I think it's wild how crazy people go over Kashima!
I Put A Rockshox On my Bike and its Way Better than with The Fox
I think that you should have serviced the shock before
How long is the suspension?
What bottle cage setup are you running?
I would prefer a coil rear shock
Hello..awesome video mate ❤
But I need you personal opinion please..
I have trek fuel ex 5 2022.. comes with Xfusion Pro rear shock..
Am looking for upgrade ..
Between rockshox ultimate deluxe and fox racing float DPS .. any suggestions.. witch one I go for.. please 👍
Rockshox hands down. I love the way Rockshox is way more supportive mid stroke, especially the nicer ultimate deluxe
@@EvansMTBSaga thank you for your reply ❤.. am going for rockshox.. keep doing great job ❤
200$ is my overall budget for my whole bike😂😂
Hard tail for the win
3:26 I thought u didn't like the Seth bars
I put them back on after cutting them to 775, they work good!
Да не может быть, что аморт даёт такую разницу. Ребята сравнивали подвес и хардтейл на примерно схожем трейле и получили не такую большую разницу, а тут аморт...
Exactly.
No fox Just ROCK SHOX! :)
Rockshox is designed to be able to service at home, they have my vote!
You'r wife must be very happy lol
There is no way u where 30 sek slower with the rockshox bc I have tried both and there could mby be a 5 to 10 second difference on a 4 min track
Yeah there's a lot of variables with testing like that.
Hi, I just bought a shock Rockshox Monarch Rc3 plus. From what I read on the forums it breaks down quite often. Do you think I made a good choice buying this shock?
Sadly I bought without documenting, but I have a rather small range, my shock being 190x51.I think if it breaks, i will just follow your rebuild video.
Oh dude I had that exact shock and LOVED it. Better than this fox shock hands down
@@EvansMTBSaga O man, good to hear that, can't wait to get my bike back from the warranty, i had a little problem with my dropper it sounded like it was scratching inside.
@@EvansMTBSaga update, after only 10 mins ride i have a knock
@@mirceaZC32S Haha dang the dropper has a knock?
@@EvansMTBSaga no, i got the bike back from warranty.All good i just instaled my new fork yari and monarch shock.For like just 200m the shock he began to have a knock on min compression, on mid and firm it's ok but i cant ride it like that.