Imagine being a soldier, going through all the physical and psychological trauma, possibly being on the verge of suicide, and then being told none of it was real.
@@Zxook I don’t think you understand at all. People with PTSD combat mentally all the time and to say that it isn’t real, considering how they are fighting the easy way out (killing themselves), isn’t hurting his feelings. It’s saying none of his comrades deaths are real, don’t matter, and have mo real impact.
@@mukarrabali that doesn’t mean the patient’s rights should be violated. Hell I have PTSD, if someone told me my trauma wasn’t real yes I would be upset, maybe have an episode, but I would remove myself from such a case because obviously I wouldn’t be able to act in the person’s best interest. Now I’m not a doctor or anything and don’t wanna pretend I know what this character is going through but there’s a difference between an explanation and an excuse. His PTSD is an explanation for his behaviour, not an excuse.
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I would have told the guy, "If you think you are in a simulation have you ever considered the possibility that the real world could be a hell of a lot worse and that's why you are in the simulation in the first place."
That's actually about the first thing I thought when watching it. I get why someone in this guy's shoes who also wants to break free would be boundlessly curious to get a glimpseof the "real world," but... yeah.
Not really how psychosis or delusion works though, people trying to prove me wrong, insult me or break apart what I believed only pushed me further into delusion. The only thing that brings you out of it is either episodes naturally passing or being medicated (at least in my case). Nothing you could possibly say will ever make true impact
Now, imagine that this guy will be miserable for the rest of his life, since he now thinks it's not possible anymore to come to the real world. That's condemning him to unhappiness. Maybe it would have been more humane to let him die. This scenario is comparable with the scenario of successfully convincing Christians that there is no heaven (without convincing them that there's no hell)
this doctor is cranking me up every time with his expressions xD. it is like he became a doctor to help people with physical illnesses but he keeps getting the mental ones and he just boils up becuase they refuse treatment
Dean was absolutely in the right here. It was ridiculous (and medically irresponsible) of Dr. Charles to pretend that the patient was capable of making informed consent decisions about his health!
But he was though. He was fully aware of what was happening and the potential outcomes but didn't care because of his extreme world view. So whilst it seems crazy because the patient was clearly talking nonsense, he's technically still fully capable of making those decisions.
@@hblake5213 No I don't think so. He wasn't able to make informed decisions about his medical care. The only thing he had right was that he was dying. Doctor Charles was wrong when he said he wouldn't die if he didn't have his appendix removed. That isn't true. He had sepsis and would have died from that quickly. His delusions or beliefs may have become more fixed because he was very medically unwell.
@@cleothedeathmunchkin8111Well its not the appendicitis itself that causes death. Its the appendix being rotten which causes a serious infection that poisons the whole system and the person dies from sepsis. So when people have sepsis, they run an exceptionally high temperature which can cause delusions. My appendix was leaking over a period of time and I didn't know. It wasn't until I was very ill that they rushed me to hospital and by then I didn't believe them but my blood tests showed my system was poisoned and they had to do emergency surgery. I was very reluctant despite not being able to walk without exceptional pain. I still wanted to go home and was embarrassed by all of the fuss. My lips even cracked within an hour of being there. Thankfully a friend came and took me outside for a cigarette. I calmed down and they did the operation. I was too sick to know what the heck was happening. My friend said I rang her and said I would be home soon. Afterwards my mother kept saying I nearly died. It was difficult for me to understand because my perceptions were so altered. There is nothing ethical about putting someone who is dying from an easily treated illness, to make life or death decisions when their thinking is disordered and confused from the illness they have? As I am today, I would have the operation in a flash. Of course I don't want to die. I was too sick on the day to decide.
@@cleothedeathmunchkin8111 So what I am saying is that there is no way either doctor can decide what is causing the man to have the beliefs he has. It could be physical, mental health related or his normal beliefs. Neither tried to find his next of kin to find out whether what he is saying is unusual for him or whether he has been acting differently for a while or has been diagnosed with a mental health problem. The reason I would query his ability to give informed consent is because a way of telling if someone is capable of that is that the doctor has to explain what is wrong, then explain the options for treatment and what will happen if the man has the treatment and what will happen if he doesn't e.g he will die from sepsis. Then the person has to be able to repeat back to the doctor, what he has heard him say. If he can't then they need to do more testing to check his competency. That is very different to someone being able to state everything the doctor says and then saying that their belief/religion states that god will save them or they want to die so they can meet their god. As long as the person can state that they understand what they have been clearly told, then that's one step in knowing they can give informed consent.
He's right, it's not real. However, it's not a computer simulation, it's a TV show and none of them are aware that all their lives were written and there are actors playing them.
Okay I just want to say I'm on Dean's side 100% with this, I had sepsis (strep/staph) and it makes you delirious, delusional, and hallucinate. I had synesthesia symptoms as well, just felt like an acid trip. I imagine that if someone is has an altered mental state and is I'll regardless of how much they fight you eventually have to push on and do what needs to be done. Cool moral episode
Unfortunately it's not that obvious because of the laws. When I was trained to be a carer, a lawyer/psychologist told us that always keep in mind, every person has the right to make bad decisions, no matter how demented they are. But I hope if I get into a situation like that ever, someone will use common sense and saves my life.
@@Shaara1 The person has to be competent or have capacity to make informed decisions which clearly this person didn't and because he didn't have an advanced directive stating what should happen if he was deemed to not have capacity, they had the right to intervene to allow for him to be able to make informed medical decisions. So if a person is brought into the ER after being in a very serious car accident and is unconscious, you don't wait until he's better miraculously to ask whether to treat him or not. Do you?
@@lulunz6809 That's an emergency situation, with an unconscious person, where one can assume would agree to a life saving procedure. Unless a guardian stops you ( eg. Jehovahs forbid blood trsnsfusion even if life saving etc...). If one is awake, you have to respect their rejection whether it's an informed good decision or not.
@@Shaara1 Only if they have the capacity to make medical decisions. My argument would be that he doesn't at that time which could be caused by the sepsis or a serious mental health issue such as Schizophrenia which can sometimes involve symptoms like a fixed beliefs despite evidence that those beliefs aren't true which can lead to serious harm to the person or someone else. I'm not talking about poor decision making. I'm talking about life or death decisions. If he dies there is no way to find out what the cause was or whether he would make a different decision. I just want to add that diagnosing Schizophrenia is much more complex than just fixed beliefs.
We might actually be in a simulation, but that doesn't mean things in this world don't matter. We still experience things, it is still important to be kind to other people and to be able to function in whatever reality we find ourselves in. Is it possible to live esoterically and also live in the world without being a jerk? I think so.
If everything we experience is a simulation, and it took 100,000 years of civilisation development for us to even begin to notice, then what difference does it ultimately make to us as individuals? Such is the question of the cave.
@@LyingTube don't doubt your importance in existence, even if we're living in a simulation. Your consciousness here in this reality may correspond with a consciousness that exists simultaneously on another plane. You and I are 3 dimensional beings stretched out over a 4th dimension, time; but may correspond with larger/more complex beings that exist in 5d or higher dimensional space. The trick is being able to explore and imagine these ideas while still being able to feed and clothe yourself, get out of bed each day, go to work and maintain healthy relationships. You can make a difference to yourself within your own life; like if you start working out multiple times a week then eventually you'll be in better shape. Maybe this means a 5d you also got psychically stronger, or that you'll pass an existential trial post-death in seven dimensions because you're a little more disciplined. Maybe we go nowhere and cease to exist when we die - in the meantime I both conceptualize and act towards a better tomorrow for me and the people around me.
this man gave him a whole ptsd description of war and the guy replied with "yeah man, we all had at least one match with a noob team so i guess gg next time "
If I had been there, I would have asked him about the simulation, come at it from the point of view of a playable character who isn't aware they are in a simulation. That way you might get more information out of him because he would be eager to break another person out of the simulation.
I don't think there's any hope of reaching out to people like Neil at all. They're totally mired in their own beliefs to the point where they want to prove that they're right, no matter the cost to themselves or to the people that love them. I get that Dr Archer saved Neil's life by removing his appendix, but he was entirely committed to his own cause, and nothing was going to deter him from abandoning his rather questionable perception of the world. After all, there's an old saying, "The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions".
@@JixieDyeAuthor I feel like you could act differently and convince him that the pill worked and he has been reborn into "another world"but everything looks the same, and convince him that now if he dies, he will die "for real"
“I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize? Ignorance is bliss.” -Cypher
@@aliceramdom.s Duh.... but scientifically there's a legit chance of all of us living in a simulation right now. Are you happy when you go stating the obvious? I can clearly see it is a TV show. I guess Medicine, Doctors and Chicago dun exist either cuz it's just a TV show, thus nothing in it is real?
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Dr. Charles, unfortunately, this patient's delusion is far too extreme and the treatment time for his mental health is far longer than the time it would take to treat a ruptured appendix. Also, unfortunately, he doesn't have the capacity to understand he is dying and that he needs to be treated so he won't die. He wants to 'wake up,' we can't grant him that because it won't happen, so we have to treat him against his wishes now so that he may have the capacity to make decisions later.
Exactly. He was not fit for determining his own health. It'd be like if someone was starving themselves to death because they believe that the icky cross bacteria in the food will end up invading their body and taking over.
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@@aliceramdom.s but ppl like this do exist tho, some paranoid squizofrenia patients won't even eat in the middle of an episode bc they think it's poisoned
@@KMDragonS There is actually a psychiatric illness known colloquially as the "Truman show syndrome" or "Truman show delusion" whereby the affected person feels their world is a facade/fake.
Dude I knew from school was like this. Had a kid and everything and they went off the rails. No matter how much we tried being there he just didn't think any of us were real and we all drifted apart. Few years later I hear he's taken his life. All the way to the end believing he was alone and we were constructs made to interact with him, but weren't real :(
In real life if the patient didn’t sign DAMA, DNR etc, and needed to be intubated and there’s no family or relative to make the decision will do the operation if his life is at a risk.
An interesting ethical dilemma. I'm all for choice and control (working in the disability sector) but there is also the duty of care. I think the surgeon made the right choice.
i think the ethical dilemma is a bit different. based on how these episodes are structured, i think the show was hinting that the bearded doctor did something to force the surgery (or possibly just found the patient unconcious and took advantage of the situation by getting the bag). Based on my reading, if the patient is unconcious and breathing the hospital can't assume power of attorney, nor can they resuscitate a patient that has a DNI/DNR. so i think the conflict the episode was setting up was whether it was ethical for the surgeon to lie and force teh surgery even if it saved a life
I get why the other doctor was upset. It would be impossible to hear that the events that haunt your dreams at night was just part of a game. On the other hand, there are laws that prevent you from going over the patient’s wishes and finding a loophole because he was no longer physically able to talk is more than hinky. And to try to bullshit Dr. C. Charles is a doctor too and learned all the same things. You can’t bullshit the guy who deals with people putting out verbal diarrhoea every day
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He was wrong though. Doctor Charles was wrong. People can die from Appendicitis because of sepsis. They die quickly and its horrible. He could have been delusional because of the sepsis.
Okay but Dean was mostly in the right here. As a psychiatrist Charles should have realized that the patient wasn't capable of making rational decisions for himself at all. It would've taken much more time to help him make rational decisions than he actually had. The guy was literally trying to die because he completely believed that he had to die in order to live. He would never have said yes to that life-saving surgery.
@@cybersmith_videos not if he has psychiatric problems..... then familly or others decide for you, when you are in there... If he wants after this to fall off a bridge, then no problem... but the hospital and the doctors are held responsible until he walks out of that door. What if he has familly, and sues after for his death?
It’s like committing suicide in order to go to heaven. If you truly believed we’re in a simulation… why not ride out the simulation? And if you die and wake up somewhere else, then great! If it’s not real, you still experienced a great life.
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I heard a story were a guy imagined 10 years of his life because someone punched him in the head. After that he spent 3 years in a psychiatric hospital because he keept seeing the faces of his imaginary family.
how this hospital isnt drowning in lawsuits is amazing tho They had an episode where the doctor resuscitated a DNR cancer patient and prolonged her suffering for no reason, they had an episode where a doctor illegally put a mother refusing iv on iv while she was unconcious, this... like... im serious, how any of those people still has a license and how that hospital is still operating is a miracle
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To be honest i kinda am with with Neil on this one. The patient was clearly delusional and didn't understand what was going and had no decision making capacity. dr. Charles shoukd have gotten a court order instead of trying to convince him. He clearly wasn't going to be convinced.
8:48 "rewired my circuitry" the problem with that argument is if the people running the simulation didn't want anyone to be able to 'wake up' they would just wire everybody like that from the start
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They are usually more of a danger to themselves but do not need to be “locked up”…medicated,yes ,therapy and possible inpatient care yes,but locking them up like a prisoner is a bit of overkill,especially in cases like this,it’s textbook schizophrenia and as long as they are not out murdering innocent people because the voices tell them too,they don’t need to be locked up and have the key thrown away!
As someone who’s dealt with this delusion due to multiple mental illnesses mixing symptoms in awful ways, it really can make you think that nothing you do, or nothing done to you matters because “why should it matter when it’s not real?” When I’m dealing with it, it usually ends up making me consider going inpatient/staying at a psych ward until it passes because it usually makes me apathetic to my own existence and/or anxiety-ridden because it can also cause me to deal with existential anxiety. Edit: from my own experience with it, I’m far less likely to care if I’m sick or at risk of death when in the chokehold of this delusion, and the patient appears to be the same. Dr. Charles absolutely should have gotten a court order to force treatment as soon as he possibly could.
There are still logics in the land of illogic. Let's go down the crazy path of this fellow shall we? Assuming this is a simulation, what to say that the guy will get to experience the "real world" when he die? Does characters inside a game get to join our world when they die insetad of vanishing from existence? Moreover, wouldn't the people running the simulation want to actively remove elements that remind people they are in it? Imagine creating a realistic fps game based in WW1, and then you notice one guy on the enemy team using weapons from the 21st century? The funny part of all of this is there are people out there in the world who believe these stuffs (I.e., microchip in vaccines, 5g towers cause cancer, flat earthers, shadow goverment). What an interesting world we live in
I can't imagine the ad for the role of this "Stuck in a Virtual World" guy would be like, and how the audition for the role went on... The casting department must've had a ball on this one!😅
@@aliceramdom.s they are literally commenting on how they made the tv show... Besides, this has happened in real life, so there is a point to discussing what should be done in this scenario.
@@stephaniebattison2334 They may be a spam account or something. Commenting this on every other comment that even acknowledges the reality behind this episode.
Lmao yaaasssss! I was waiting for this! I can just hear house now… he’s got a quirky grin on his face and he would say cool. Lol best comment here yet!
Here's the thing. Even if reality is more than it appears to be, "computer simulation" is just a mundane term you understand. You process the concept through the metaphor and language of a video game the same way that Plato did with shadows on a wall. But whatever there is, IF there is something, it's beyond our comprehension.
Dr Achar did something to the patient to get him unconscious, that’s unethical. Granted his intentions were to save the guy’s life but it wasn’t his decision to make. Everyone has their own beliefs whether they seem sane to others or not. If he felt that the guy was crazy he should have reached out to Goodwin. This show is full of Doctors who play by their own rules.
@@aliceramdom.s In universe obviously. And plenty of people in this supposed "real life" believe as he does. Honestly I don't think he's entirely wrong.
Regardless if that guy delusional. patient still have the right to refuse treatment. If a family member of mine was forced treatment that doctor would be so sued by me if this was real life.
I love Dr. Charles but I am a person who believes those who have mental illnesses who refuse treatment should be force treated. They aren't in their right minds so no they can't say they're making their best choices. Case in point Robyn and the rats situation (her situation was caused by a physical situation that was never investigated fixed the situation and she's good to go). This man literally believes everyone else to be an NPC in a video game scenario- we're lucky he hasn't started shooting NPCs or enjoying women GTA style against their wishes because to him NO ONE ELSE IS A HUMAN. That makes him DANGEROUS.
I find it more psychologically telling, not that someone believes they're in a simulation, but that they feel the need to be sure that they are. This goes for people who need to be sure they're not in a simulation too. It doesn't matter and it's non-falsifiable (you necessarily can't know), but people who think that it does matter and that you can know are showing mental instability through their need to have an answer in order to function.
Life isn't a computer simulations. It's a real world simulation or a real world construct. There are similarities between the two, but they are worlds apart. Everything is some kind of construct, even reality, but that doesn't make it not real; it just makes it a real construct.
If he actually is being poisoned by sepsis then he absolutely is not in is right frame of mind. He might have held that belief beforehand but a hospital can't take that chance of a lawsuit by relatives. Like trying to argue in court that he believed he was in a simulation so they couldn't treat him etc. At some point the medics would have to take the responsibility that he was being mentally affected by his ailment and was not rational enough to give instructions.
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If this where an Episode of House, House would have a field day with him.
"This is simulation"
House: "I didn't know they coded morons"
This just made my day 😂xx
Giving that this nutcase ends up shooting Dr. Choi, I think it will be season 2 finale for Dr. House all over again.
I’ve only seen a few House clips on TH-cam (as opposed to the whole series)… but I think you are spot on! 😛
Where's the Hahaha haha 😆😆😆😆😆😆 reaction botton?
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Bro really asked Dr Charles if he’s an npc💀💀💀
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The fact his has 666 likes the moment I'm writing this makes it funnier
Imagine being a soldier, going through all the physical and psychological trauma, possibly being on the verge of suicide, and then being told none of it was real.
funny i'm writing a sci-fi on that concept.
Imagine being the person who thinks it isnt real
Imagine disregarding a patients clear refusal of treatment because your feelings were hurt more like.
@@Zxook I don’t think you understand at all. People with PTSD combat mentally all the time and to say that it isn’t real, considering how they are fighting the easy way out (killing themselves), isn’t hurting his feelings. It’s saying none of his comrades deaths are real, don’t matter, and have mo real impact.
@@mukarrabali that doesn’t mean the patient’s rights should be violated. Hell I have PTSD, if someone told me my trauma wasn’t real yes I would be upset, maybe have an episode, but I would remove myself from such a case because obviously I wouldn’t be able to act in the person’s best interest. Now I’m not a doctor or anything and don’t wanna pretend I know what this character is going through but there’s a difference between an explanation and an excuse. His PTSD is an explanation for his behaviour, not an excuse.
I wanna walk up to him and say "I'm done for the day. Computer, log me out" and then just collapse onto the floor limp and motionless.
Haha you syco. That would be so cruel but so funny to watch him scream.
Or someone dress as agents....lol..
Then inject him some water then tell him that he die we can track the others....
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@Varad Patil that's not a boneappletea that's just a misspelling of a word. Plus, given psycho doesn't pronounce half of its letters, that's rather understandable. But anyway, boneappletea would be a phrase rather than a word. Hence, "bon appétit" becomes "bone apple tea"
@@pandaman144. r/whooosh
I love how everyone jumped inmediately to defend Dr. Charles
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That's what you get when you treat those around you the right way
At this point they need to make a real life statue of Dr. Charles
@@robbenjames9476 nobody cares
Boo yeah! It's Dr. Charles! He's got a very level head and considerate intentions. ❤
I would have told the guy, "If you think you are in a simulation have you ever considered the possibility that the real world could be a hell of a lot worse and that's why you are in the simulation in the first place."
That's actually about the first thing I thought when watching it. I get why someone in this guy's shoes who also wants to break free would be boundlessly curious to get a glimpseof the "real world," but... yeah.
Not really how psychosis or delusion works though, people trying to prove me wrong, insult me or break apart what I believed only pushed me further into delusion. The only thing that brings you out of it is either episodes naturally passing or being medicated (at least in my case). Nothing you could possibly say will ever make true impact
Now, imagine that this guy will be miserable for the rest of his life, since he now thinks it's not possible anymore to come to the real world.
That's condemning him to unhappiness. Maybe it would have been more humane to let him die.
This scenario is comparable with the scenario of successfully convincing Christians that there is no heaven (without convincing them that there's no hell)
@@micke_mango I thought he was going to kill himself... I wonder what happened in the episode
But at least it'd be real
this doctor is cranking me up every time with his expressions xD. it is like he became a doctor to help people with physical illnesses but he keeps getting the mental ones and he just boils up becuase they refuse treatment
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Dean was absolutely in the right here. It was ridiculous (and medically irresponsible) of Dr. Charles to pretend that the patient was capable of making informed consent decisions about his health!
But he was though. He was fully aware of what was happening and the potential outcomes but didn't care because of his extreme world view. So whilst it seems crazy because the patient was clearly talking nonsense, he's technically still fully capable of making those decisions.
@@hblake5213 No I don't think so. He wasn't able to make informed decisions about his medical care. The only thing he had right was that he was dying. Doctor Charles was wrong when he said he wouldn't die if he didn't have his appendix removed. That isn't true. He had sepsis and would have died from that quickly. His delusions or beliefs may have become more fixed because he was very medically unwell.
@@cleothedeathmunchkin8111Well its not the appendicitis itself that causes death. Its the appendix being rotten which causes a serious infection that poisons the whole system and the person dies from sepsis. So when people have sepsis, they run an exceptionally high temperature which can cause delusions. My appendix was leaking over a period of time and I didn't know. It wasn't until I was very ill that they rushed me to hospital and by then I didn't believe them but my blood tests showed my system was poisoned and they had to do emergency surgery. I was very reluctant despite not being able to walk without exceptional pain. I still wanted to go home and was embarrassed by all of the fuss. My lips even cracked within an hour of being there. Thankfully a friend came and took me outside for a cigarette. I calmed down and they did the operation. I was too sick to know what the heck was happening. My friend said I rang her and said I would be home soon. Afterwards my mother kept saying I nearly died. It was difficult for me to understand because my perceptions were so altered. There is nothing ethical about putting someone who is dying from an easily treated illness, to make life or death decisions when their thinking is disordered and confused from the illness they have? As I am today, I would have the operation in a flash. Of course I don't want to die. I was too sick on the day to decide.
@@cleothedeathmunchkin8111 So what I am saying is that there is no way either doctor can decide what is causing the man to have the beliefs he has. It could be physical, mental health related or his normal beliefs. Neither tried to find his next of kin to find out whether what he is saying is unusual for him or whether he has been acting differently for a while or has been diagnosed with a mental health problem. The reason I would query his ability to give informed consent is because a way of telling if someone is capable of that is that the doctor has to explain what is wrong, then explain the options for treatment and what will happen if the man has the treatment and what will happen if he doesn't e.g he will die from sepsis. Then the person has to be able to repeat back to the doctor, what he has heard him say. If he can't then they need to do more testing to check his competency. That is very different to someone being able to state everything the doctor says and then saying that their belief/religion states that god will save them or they want to die so they can meet their god. As long as the person can state that they understand what they have been clearly told, then that's one step in knowing they can give informed consent.
Yes, dr Charles said that the patient was delisional
He's right, it's not real. However, it's not a computer simulation, it's a TV show and none of them are aware that all their lives were written and there are actors playing them.
Bro we aren't living in a tv show wake up💀
@@Goutham1826 We're not. But he is, and it’s called "Chicago Med"
Okay I just want to say I'm on Dean's side 100% with this, I had sepsis (strep/staph) and it makes you delirious, delusional, and hallucinate. I had synesthesia symptoms as well, just felt like an acid trip. I imagine that if someone is has an altered mental state and is I'll regardless of how much they fight you eventually have to push on and do what needs to be done. Cool moral episode
Unfortunately it's not that obvious because of the laws.
When I was trained to be a carer, a lawyer/psychologist told us that always keep in mind, every person has the right to make bad decisions, no matter how demented they are.
But I hope if I get into a situation like that ever, someone will use common sense and saves my life.
@@Shaara1 The person has to be competent or have capacity to make informed decisions which clearly this person didn't and because he didn't have an advanced directive stating what should happen if he was deemed to not have capacity, they had the right to intervene to allow for him to be able to make informed medical decisions. So if a person is brought into the ER after being in a very serious car accident and is unconscious, you don't wait until he's better miraculously to ask whether to treat him or not. Do you?
@@lulunz6809 That's an emergency situation, with an unconscious person, where one can assume would agree to a life saving procedure. Unless a guardian stops you ( eg. Jehovahs forbid blood trsnsfusion even if life saving etc...).
If one is awake, you have to respect their rejection whether it's an informed good decision or not.
@@Shaara1 Only if they have the capacity to make medical decisions. My argument would be that he doesn't at that time which could be caused by the sepsis or a serious mental health issue such as Schizophrenia which can sometimes involve symptoms like a fixed beliefs despite evidence that those beliefs aren't true which can lead to serious harm to the person or someone else. I'm not talking about poor decision making. I'm talking about life or death decisions. If he dies there is no way to find out what the cause was or whether he would make a different decision. I just want to add that diagnosing Schizophrenia is much more complex than just fixed beliefs.
@@Shaara1 Is assisted suicide legal there?
We might actually be in a simulation, but that doesn't mean things in this world don't matter. We still experience things, it is still important to be kind to other people and to be able to function in whatever reality we find ourselves in. Is it possible to live esoterically and also live in the world without being a jerk? I think so.
If everything we experience is a simulation, and it took 100,000 years of civilisation development for us to even begin to notice, then what difference does it ultimately make to us as individuals? Such is the question of the cave.
@@LyingTube don't doubt your importance in existence, even if we're living in a simulation. Your consciousness here in this reality may correspond with a consciousness that exists simultaneously on another plane. You and I are 3 dimensional beings stretched out over a 4th dimension, time; but may correspond with larger/more complex beings that exist in 5d or higher dimensional space. The trick is being able to explore and imagine these ideas while still being able to feed and clothe yourself, get out of bed each day, go to work and maintain healthy relationships.
You can make a difference to yourself within your own life; like if you start working out multiple times a week then eventually you'll be in better shape. Maybe this means a 5d you also got psychically stronger, or that you'll pass an existential trial post-death in seven dimensions because you're a little more disciplined. Maybe we go nowhere and cease to exist when we die - in the meantime I both conceptualize and act towards a better tomorrow for me and the people around me.
Exactly. This dude was suicidal but in an atypical way, which is an insanity.
we are not and its a tv show
@@aliceramdom.s yeah but some people really do believe their reality is just a Truman Show episode
this man gave him a whole ptsd description of war and the guy replied with "yeah man, we all had at least one match with a noob team so i guess gg next time "
If I had been there, I would have asked him about the simulation, come at it from the point of view of a playable character who isn't aware they are in a simulation. That way you might get more information out of him because he would be eager to break another person out of the simulation.
its a tv show
@@aliceramdom.s obviously. But there really are people who believe this.
And you know what they say.....art imitates life.
I don't think there's any hope of reaching out to people like Neil at all. They're totally mired in their own beliefs to the point where they want to prove that they're right, no matter the cost to themselves or to the people that love them. I get that Dr Archer saved Neil's life by removing his appendix, but he was entirely committed to his own cause, and nothing was going to deter him from abandoning his rather questionable perception of the world. After all, there's an old saying, "The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions".
@@JixieDyeAuthor I feel like you could act differently and convince him that the pill worked and he has been reborn into "another world"but everything looks the same, and convince him that now if he dies, he will die "for real"
That might have helped, yeah. He painted himself into a corner though when he started believing death was the way to get out
Thing is, even if I felt like I KNEW this was a simulation... I wouldn't care honestly. This is my reality. It's all I know, that I've seen, etc. etc.
its a tv show
“I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize? Ignorance is bliss.” -Cypher
@@aliceramdom.s Duh.... but scientifically there's a legit chance of all of us living in a simulation right now.
Are you happy when you go stating the obvious? I can clearly see it is a TV show. I guess Medicine, Doctors and Chicago dun exist either cuz it's just a TV show, thus nothing in it is real?
@@aliceramdom.s You know TV can be based off reality, yes?
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Dr. Charles, unfortunately, this patient's delusion is far too extreme and the treatment time for his mental health is far longer than the time it would take to treat a ruptured appendix.
Also, unfortunately, he doesn't have the capacity to understand he is dying and that he needs to be treated so he won't die. He wants to 'wake up,' we can't grant him that because it won't happen, so we have to treat him against his wishes now so that he may have the capacity to make decisions later.
Exactly. He was not fit for determining his own health. It'd be like if someone was starving themselves to death because they believe that the icky cross bacteria in the food will end up invading their body and taking over.
its a tv show not real
thats actually very true!
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@@aliceramdom.s but ppl like this do exist tho, some paranoid squizofrenia patients won't even eat in the middle of an episode bc they think it's poisoned
Not as far fetched as you might think.
There are people who believe their life is a computer simulation, or a TV shows and everyone is an actor.
Like The Truman Show?
@@KMDragonS There is actually a psychiatric illness known colloquially as the "Truman show syndrome" or "Truman show delusion" whereby the affected person feels their world is a facade/fake.
Dude I knew from school was like this. Had a kid and everything and they went off the rails. No matter how much we tried being there he just didn't think any of us were real and we all drifted apart. Few years later I hear he's taken his life. All the way to the end believing he was alone and we were constructs made to interact with him, but weren't real :(
Yes delusional people
I mean by statistical estimates, it's like about a 40% chance that we are actually in a simulation RIGHT now.
In real life if the patient didn’t sign DAMA, DNR etc, and needed to be intubated and there’s no family or relative to make the decision will do the operation if his life is at a risk.
An interesting ethical dilemma. I'm all for choice and control (working in the disability sector) but there is also the duty of care. I think the surgeon made the right choice.
Yep couldn’t agree more, it’s these kind of ideas that stop people from getting vaccines
i think the ethical dilemma is a bit different. based on how these episodes are structured, i think the show was hinting that the bearded doctor did something to force the surgery (or possibly just found the patient unconcious and took advantage of the situation by getting the bag). Based on my reading, if the patient is unconcious and breathing the hospital can't assume power of attorney, nor can they resuscitate a patient that has a DNI/DNR.
so i think the conflict the episode was setting up was whether it was ethical for the surgeon to lie and force teh surgery even if it saved a life
@@zilesis1 I thought he said the patient wasn't breathing so I assume in that case the hospital does assume power of attorney
@@kissgergo5202 there's a chance he could've lied
@@zilesis1 Thanks for your comment. I think what you are talking about are legal, not ethical issues.
I normally don’t compare Chicago to House MD, but man would I love to see House interact with this one
I get why the other doctor was upset. It would be impossible to hear that the events that haunt your dreams at night was just part of a game. On the other hand, there are laws that prevent you from going over the patient’s wishes and finding a loophole because he was no longer physically able to talk is more than hinky. And to try to bullshit Dr. C. Charles is a doctor too and learned all the same things. You can’t bullshit the guy who deals with people putting out verbal diarrhoea every day
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He was wrong though. Doctor Charles was wrong. People can die from Appendicitis because of sepsis. They die quickly and its horrible. He could have been delusional because of the sepsis.
Okay but Dean was mostly in the right here. As a psychiatrist Charles should have realized that the patient wasn't capable of making rational decisions for himself at all. It would've taken much more time to help him make rational decisions than he actually had. The guy was literally trying to die because he completely believed that he had to die in order to live. He would never have said yes to that life-saving surgery.
That is the patient's right. He was entitled to refuse surgery.
@@cybersmith_videos But he's incapable of understanding the severity of the situation-
@@cybersmith_videos not if he has psychiatric problems..... then familly or others decide for you, when you are in there... If he wants after this to fall off a bridge, then no problem... but the hospital and the doctors are held responsible until he walks out of that door. What if he has familly, and sues after for his death?
@@justdont2378 No he's not. He just believes he's going to a better place, not unlike billions of other people in the world
@@cybersmith_videos Not when he is mentally incompetent to make rational decisions about the reality of his situation.
It’s like committing suicide in order to go to heaven. If you truly believed we’re in a simulation… why not ride out the simulation? And if you die and wake up somewhere else, then great! If it’s not real, you still experienced a great life.
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@@SegularRpork Dean
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Wait till he realizes he's not in a simulation he's actually in a show.
Comes with a runny nose.
Dr Charles:- Hi I'm Dr Charles. Howa you doing? 😂
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I heard a story were a guy imagined 10 years of his life because someone punched him in the head. After that he spent 3 years in a psychiatric hospital because he keept seeing the faces of his imaginary family.
I've heard of that story, genuinely terrifying…
Jason Pagett, accidental savant not genius. He's not the only one.
That was from a reddit story wasn't it? I remember reading about it and it was very chilling. Feel bad for the dude
I've heard about this story from MrBallen's stories
Wish we could get Chicago med in the U.K. so much!
We can! Amazon prime!
@@EmmaCollinsDiamondPainting It left netflix in september didn't it?
@@kissgergo5202 yeah it did :(
Goojara is a good website to watch em all from PD to fire to med full episodes been using it for years
@@azhra3550 does it have every season
how this hospital isnt drowning in lawsuits is amazing tho
They had an episode where the doctor resuscitated a DNR cancer patient and prolonged her suffering for no reason, they had an episode where a doctor illegally put a mother refusing iv on iv while she was unconcious, this... like... im serious, how any of those people still has a license and how that hospital is still operating is a miracle
Well it's fiction lol. Aside from the ethics and law, they also get medical things wrong all the time too (CPR, intubation...)
God this actor is brilliant, truly felt bad for him when he broke down.
THIS CHANNEL ROCKS!
"what you think you saw"
mans really tried to gaslight the resident psychiatrist
Omg l have been waiting
Who else just started watching and is bingeing this and is watching every episode
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if youre ever paranoid you are in a simulation/ tv show:
youre life is way too boring for anyone to want to watch or engage with
Redditors when they leave their moms basements after 4 month's
To be honest i kinda am with with Neil on this one. The patient was clearly delusional and didn't understand what was going and had no decision making capacity. dr. Charles shoukd have gotten a court order instead of trying to convince him. He clearly wasn't going to be convinced.
8:48 "rewired my circuitry" the problem with that argument is if the people running the simulation didn't want anyone to be able to 'wake up' they would just wire everybody like that from the start
Keep up the good work
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The sad thing is these people actually do exist
As well as people who think are vampires, believe that their arm isn't their's and I'm pretty sure there's a lot more crazy out there.
Scary thing is that it's a statistical chance that we are in a simulation right now.
ture but its a tv show
Yes.
@@aliceramdom.s but they based their plots on real life events
What scares me is there are people like him in the world and they need to be locked up because they are dangerous.
Especially to themselves
No they need to be helped, not locked up
Locked up for what?? The man is delusional at best he needs help
They are usually more of a danger to themselves but do not need to be “locked up”…medicated,yes ,therapy and possible inpatient care yes,but locking them up like a prisoner is a bit of overkill,especially in cases like this,it’s textbook schizophrenia and as long as they are not out murdering innocent people because the voices tell them too,they don’t need to be locked up and have the key thrown away!
THIS MATRIX SEQUEL IS BETTER THAN THE FOURTH ONE
Why not just tell him he made it to reality once he came round!?
He has seen matrix too much.
*Give some time and would really like to see the characters treat a patient who thinks he’s the Joker*
I'm like.... Red pill. We're in matrix now?
The doctor did what he had to do, his job. Someone this delusional obviously can't give or deny consent
"You're an NPC"
*The actor, reading from his script:* "No I'm not"
He really said "based and redpilled"
I thought my ears were going to explode when I hold my nose together and burst out laughing like a maniac
Somebody watched too much Matrix
As someone who’s dealt with this delusion due to multiple mental illnesses mixing symptoms in awful ways, it really can make you think that nothing you do, or nothing done to you matters because “why should it matter when it’s not real?”
When I’m dealing with it, it usually ends up making me consider going inpatient/staying at a psych ward until it passes because it usually makes me apathetic to my own existence and/or anxiety-ridden because it can also cause me to deal with existential anxiety.
Edit: from my own experience with it, I’m far less likely to care if I’m sick or at risk of death when in the chokehold of this delusion, and the patient appears to be the same. Dr. Charles absolutely should have gotten a court order to force treatment as soon as he possibly could.
Good work I love it
i'm with dr archer on this one
There are still logics in the land of illogic. Let's go down the crazy path of this fellow shall we? Assuming this is a simulation, what to say that the guy will get to experience the "real world" when he die? Does characters inside a game get to join our world when they die insetad of vanishing from existence?
Moreover, wouldn't the people running the simulation want to actively remove elements that remind people they are in it? Imagine creating a realistic fps game based in WW1, and then you notice one guy on the enemy team using weapons from the 21st century?
The funny part of all of this is there are people out there in the world who believe these stuffs (I.e., microchip in vaccines, 5g towers cause cancer, flat earthers, shadow goverment). What an interesting world we live in
No DNR, no DNI, the hospitals role then with no power of attorney present is to assume power of attorney and protect human life.
ngl, i would have laughed evilly at him at the end and been like, "Zhahah your stuck here with the rest us forever ZHAHAHAHA"
Lol bro really just called his appendix a red pill
he took andrew tate too seriously
I can't imagine the ad for the role of this "Stuck in a Virtual World" guy would be like, and how the audition for the role went on...
The casting department must've had a ball on this one!😅
its a tv show not real
@@aliceramdom.s He literally said “casting department” Which makes it obvious that it’s a TV show. Or are you that dumb to be spamming the comments?
@@aliceramdom.s they are literally commenting on how they made the tv show...
Besides, this has happened in real life, so there is a point to discussing what should be done in this scenario.
@@stephaniebattison2334 They may be a spam account or something. Commenting this on every other comment that even acknowledges the reality behind this episode.
Or what happens when you give the Internet to everyone and close mental hospitals 😂
This guy really needs a serious reality check.
Is the patient named "Neil" as a pun on "Neo"? In many instances, Neil sounds indistinguishable from Neo.
Lmao yaaasssss! I was waiting for this! I can just hear house now… he’s got a quirky grin on his face and he would say cool. Lol best comment here yet!
hmm i can see how the matrix truly has affected the 'life is a simulation' thought to an exponential degree
Here's the thing. Even if reality is more than it appears to be, "computer simulation" is just a mundane term you understand. You process the concept through the metaphor and language of a video game the same way that Plato did with shadows on a wall. But whatever there is, IF there is something, it's beyond our comprehension.
Dr Achar did something to the patient to get him unconscious, that’s unethical. Granted his intentions were to save the guy’s life but it wasn’t his decision to make.
Everyone has their own beliefs whether they seem sane to others or not. If he felt that the guy was crazy he should have reached out to Goodwin.
This show is full of Doctors who play by their own rules.
its a tv show not real
@@aliceramdom.s Really, it’s a TV show? I had no idea.
@@imilore9815 😂
Yeah, just let the dude die. Is that what he wants right?
@@imilore9815 I think it's a bottle. Same thing on every comment that acknowledges the facts behind this episode.
Not even going to lie. I have a feeling I know how this guy got to this point.
its a tv show not real
@@aliceramdom.s In universe obviously. And plenty of people in this supposed "real life" believe as he does. Honestly I don't think he's entirely wrong.
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Dr Charles is delusion himself if he thinks that patient had capacity
He's nuts
None of them get the matrix reference or seen the movie?
Least creative delusion ever. Guy just ripped off a popular film.😂
I mean even if this is a simulation why would you want to live it in pain??
Bro saw the matrix trilogy and failed to come out of the matrix
when my Sims gained conscience:
Man every time they gotta mention my country 😭
this dude thinks he's inside of matrix
Dr Charles almost saved is mind but was prevented to Do so
People do believe that computers are that powerful...
He's quite right: none of it is real...
He's an Actor...
They're ALL Actors...
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Wat?
I don't know why this person kept talking and thinking about games. He's out of control. Literally killed a doctor by using the guns.
Regardless if that guy delusional. patient still have the right to refuse treatment. If a family member of mine was forced treatment that doctor would be so sued by me if this was real life.
>reverse the effects of the red pill
Oh my fucking god that knocked me out
These doctors never watched the Matrix and made the red pill connection from the movie
Dude's been watching Matrix on loop...
I love Dr. Charles but I am a person who believes those who have mental illnesses who refuse treatment should be force treated.
They aren't in their right minds so no they can't say they're making their best choices. Case in point Robyn and the rats situation (her situation was caused by a physical situation that was never investigated fixed the situation and she's good to go). This man literally believes everyone else to be an NPC in a video game scenario- we're lucky he hasn't started shooting NPCs or enjoying women GTA style against their wishes because to him NO ONE ELSE IS A HUMAN. That makes him DANGEROUS.
bro thinks hes in the matrix
Dude thought he was on the matrix😂
What happens when someone reads too deeply into the matrix movies.
Isn't this basically The Matrix
I find it more psychologically telling, not that someone believes they're in a simulation, but that they feel the need to be sure that they are.
This goes for people who need to be sure they're not in a simulation too. It doesn't matter and it's non-falsifiable (you necessarily can't know), but people who think that it does matter and that you can know are showing mental instability through their need to have an answer in order to function.
my guy watched the matrix
0:44
Doc: Here we fuckin go again.....
Life isn't a computer simulations. It's a real world simulation or a real world construct. There are similarities between the two, but they are worlds apart. Everything is some kind of construct, even reality, but that doesn't make it not real; it just makes it a real construct.
Dr.halstead and his brother came in with suits....
How to Tell If You're in a Simulation...
Medical Staff Wearing Clothing Covering Lower Arms...
(MAJOR INFECTION CONTROL ISSUE)
I mean he isnt wrong
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If he actually is being poisoned by sepsis then he absolutely is not in is right frame of mind. He might have held that belief beforehand but a hospital can't take that chance of a lawsuit by relatives. Like trying to argue in court that he believed he was in a simulation so they couldn't treat him etc. At some point the medics would have to take the responsibility that he was being mentally affected by his ailment and was not rational enough to give instructions.
Are we in the real world, or the matrix?
That who thing is terrifying. Are we asleep in a pod, or are we sitting on our bed?
Oh... I thought when the guy pressed down on this stomach he twisted his privates! Because of when he said "I wanted to know where you're more sensitive". I totally misunderstood at first!
Wasn't this also the guy who shot Ethan?
i think so
Yeah. It was a few episodes later, I guess.
Yes, because if what happens here, getting drugged and operated on against his wishes. It was revenge
I think this guy might have watched the matrix a few too many times
Bro thought he was in GTA 5💀