I played keys and piano for 12 years gigging and I'm trying to remember what my thought process was on all this back then. I'm talking from 1992 to 2004. Definitely one of the first things I learned was to stay out of the lower keys. Bass players are NOT into that and its very confusing for them becasue they are not used to competing with sounds in their range. However you COULD help accentuate a note with them now and then and they seemed to appreciate it. Its always been my experience that keyboard/piano players still tend to under play rather than over play. They are usually pretty cautious. Often they cannot be heard at all and sometimes this is becasue the soundman does not know what to do with them, so they just turn them down. I always did by best to make sure my solo's were loud and clear. Keyboardists also need to remember that often they are secondary instruments to the 6 string guitars. Not always...but mostly. Which makes a keyboardists job tough becasue often you are just holding rock organ notes and the like to fill up the sound. Often the audience CANNOT hear you, but if you suddenly stopped playing , they would know something is missing. Even I sometimes wondered if I was making any real sound becasue playing background harmony notes can get boring. One thing I'm jealous of these days is the live equipment and PA's seem SO much better than what we used. At 56 I don't do it anymore though. I thought I would ALWAYS play music. For me it just takes up too much time to keep my chops up. I also learned that if I don't have gigs to practice for, I don't really even feel like playing
Thanks so much for this tip, cause I've wondered why I can't stop playing bass on keyboard whereas the bassist is not enjoying the sound. All I gotta do is let him do his work
It doesn't sound good, the sound waves are fatter down there so it gets really muddy as he said. Even if it's syntonic, ie, you're playing the same chord but different roots, its too close together on the scale. It's not about right or wrong or ego... its physics.
Cool vid - it would be also good to talk about developing keys parts where there's other instruments sharing the mid frequencies too like vocals and guitars.
My problem with playing in a band for the first time wasn't so much playing in the same range as it was playing on the same beats as the guitarist. I was so accustomed to emphasizing the beats because I had been playing by myself for so long
Quick question: is there a specific term for the “lick” he always does at the end? I want to look deeper into that on TH-cam but barely find anything with keyword lick. I suppose lick is a bit jazzy. This thing he does is more pop -ish which is not exactly the same thing(is it?)
I have ongoing issues with the band that I am playing keyboard with. The lead guitar player issues a song and a chord chart, which is fine. But he never checks to see if I can practice it is a key that is on TH-cam or another video. Since I don't have the sheet music, I can't really practice the song. He doesn't not seem to understand this. I think it's because he plays by ear, and just uses a capo to adjust the key on his guitar.
@@imanagemydamage thats not the issue. using a capo on a guitar you actually play slightly different chord shapes compared to other issues like the piano that dont need to. This happened with my old band. we tried to learn wonderwall by Oasis. issue is is that the chords are tuned down a whole step because of the capo. so people who dont use guitar capos will have to transpose up a whole step and thats a massive pain to do constantly Guitar plays C, E, G, for example. pianist has to play D, F# and A
My last comment was a little pretentious. Still, the bass is panned to the left. If you just focus on your left earbud/speaker, you should be able to hear the bass clearly.
Hey the church that I go to,I’m the one that plays the keyboard alongside a drummer we are looking to add another instrument is it better to have a bass player or a guitar player please to accompany us please
I have a question may i play the root of the chord in the middle register without clashing with the bass player? Because sometime the song ask to use the root if i am wrong please could you give me the tip what to do thank you very much and GodBlessing
The problem is I am left-handed and I love to play bass on my piano I was wondering if I can ask somebody maybe somebody can help me is there any way that I and the bass player whoever I work with can work something out? Because just to play chords in my left hand in the middle of the middle section that's just bored to live in hell out of me.
@@dsoule4902 thank you very much for your replying I've tried playing bass maybe once or twice but I still love playing the piano. I'm still looking for some kind of assistance maybe somebody can help me out there. Like I says I'm wondering if I can work something out between me and the bass player so that I don't get in his way and he doesn't get in mind.
Parts of this border on the ridiculous. No piano player who has even rudimentary playing ability, hammers every note like the "bad" example. Also, these tips might be ok for jamming, but if you are in a band, and or doing covers, the piano/keyboards shouldn't be played to 'avoid' playing in the same octave as other instruments. My piano never sounds like an electric bass, or a drum. Might as well tell the drummer to get rid of his Bass Drum too. and tell them to get rid of the snare, because the highs are within the octave of the singer etc. Based on these tips songs like Hold the Line would never have been written because they hammer the piano like a drum. How can you honestly tell a piano player to play closer to middle C??? why bother having 88 keys then? Bass notes on a piano sound much grittier than an electric bass. They can complement not compete with each other. Obivously you have never heard Jon Lord play organ using the low registers, and doubling his leads with Ritchie Blackmore on guitar. I'd say they were a pretty successful band.
Dude what about Dynamics? Dynamics has to be the SINGLE most important element of a piano player in a band! You've consistently played with one volume in this entire video! Can't even hear the bass!!!
The worst enemy of a bass player is the left hand of a keyboard player
LOL.
My bass player is always telling me not to use my left hand, lol!
Wish all keyboardists understood this but when you tell them they act offended, I have had this problem for years
My left hand always follows what i play with my right hand.😆
Tom McKinnon it's easier to just get rid of the bass player...
I played keys and piano for 12 years gigging and I'm trying to remember what my thought process was on all this back then. I'm talking from 1992 to 2004.
Definitely one of the first things I learned was to stay out of the lower keys. Bass players are NOT into that and its very confusing for them becasue they are not used to competing with sounds in their range. However you COULD help accentuate a note with them now and then and they seemed to appreciate it. Its always been my experience that keyboard/piano players still tend to under play rather than over play. They are usually pretty cautious. Often they cannot be heard at all and sometimes this is becasue the soundman does not know what to do with them, so they just turn them down. I always did by best to make sure my solo's were loud and clear. Keyboardists also need to remember that often they are secondary instruments to the 6 string guitars. Not always...but mostly. Which makes a keyboardists job tough becasue often you are just holding rock organ notes and the like to fill up the sound. Often the audience CANNOT hear you, but if you suddenly stopped playing , they would know something is missing. Even I sometimes wondered if I was making any real sound becasue playing background harmony notes can get boring.
One thing I'm jealous of these days is the live equipment and PA's seem SO much better than what we used.
At 56 I don't do it anymore though. I thought I would ALWAYS play music. For me it just takes up too much time to keep my chops up. I also learned that if I don't have gigs to practice for, I don't really even feel like playing
This really helps me a lot. I'm a beginner, and I don't know what to do when I'm in a band. Gotta say thank you very much.
Extremely helpful! Thank you.
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Thanks so much for this tip, cause I've wondered why I can't stop playing bass on keyboard whereas the bassist is not enjoying the sound. All I gotta do is let him do his work
It doesn't sound good, the sound waves are fatter down there so it gets really muddy as he said. Even if it's syntonic, ie, you're playing the same chord but different roots, its too close together on the scale. It's not about right or wrong or ego... its physics.
Some rootless chord voicing is good too when playing with a bassist
True, works better for jazz
Thnx
@@adamb4610also gospel
Cool vid - it would be also good to talk about developing keys parts where there's other instruments sharing the mid frequencies too like vocals and guitars.
Hey can you tell me what he is actually playing it soynds good
@@sharalamanda7640 sounds like a jazzy bluesy thing in the key of C.
The secret is not to play the bass in the left hand. It muddies everything up terribly. Any experienced bass player can tell you this.
you can't not play the bass if ur a pianist😃 Either don't play with a pianist or remove the bassguy😃
@@44nnddyy yeah its actually really easy you just don't do it and go play chords or something
@@bulldogger1467 🤣🤣
Bass and piano go together so well if done correctly.
My problem with playing in a band for the first time wasn't so much playing in the same range as it was playing on the same beats as the guitarist. I was so accustomed to emphasizing the beats because I had been playing by myself for so long
Is there a video for those song endings pls ?
AMAZING! 😄😄😄
Quick question: is there a specific term for the “lick” he always does at the end? I want to look deeper into that on TH-cam but barely find anything with keyword lick. I suppose lick is a bit jazzy. This thing he does is more pop -ish which is not exactly the same thing(is it?)
T Jumrustanasan Blues Scale :) Intervals from your tonic (or the first note of the key you’re in) is 3, 2, 1, 1, 3, 2. hope this helps!
I think the term you're looking for is a "turnaround". Quite common in the blues
BlueBass2 thanks!
Dang man, this is a great lesson
I have ongoing issues with the band that I am playing keyboard with. The lead guitar player issues a song and a chord chart, which is fine. But he never checks to see if I can practice it is a key that is on TH-cam or another video. Since I don't have the sheet music, I can't really practice the song. He doesn't not seem to understand this. I think it's because he plays by ear, and just uses a capo to adjust the key on his guitar.
he gives you chords and you still can't learn the song? stop whining and start practicing!!
@@imanagemydamage thats not the issue. using a capo on a guitar you actually play slightly different chord shapes compared to other issues like the piano that dont need to.
This happened with my old band. we tried to learn wonderwall by Oasis. issue is is that the chords are tuned down a whole step because of the capo. so people who dont use guitar capos will have to transpose up a whole step and thats a massive pain to do constantly
Guitar plays C, E, G, for example.
pianist has to play D, F# and A
I literally can't hear the base
Then you need this thing called headphone good sir
@@zazithym3569 Then you need this thing called ears good sir. I'm listening from my reference monitors, but the bass is like -30dB.
It might be because I listen to more guitar centered music, but the base seemed to stick out a lot clearer than the low notes on the piano.
My last comment was a little pretentious. Still, the bass is panned to the left. If you just focus on your left earbud/speaker, you should be able to hear the bass clearly.
So I'm supposed not to use my left hand at all or what ?
Ha!
You can use it, just stay away from the octaves in the left. Thoose are bass player territory
@@George27484yup. Get off my lawn!!!! Lol
Hey the church that I go to,I’m the one that plays the keyboard alongside a drummer we are looking to add another instrument is it better to have a bass player or a guitar player please to accompany us please
I have a question may i play the root of the chord in the middle register without clashing with the bass player? Because sometime the song ask to use the root if i am wrong please could you give me the tip what to do thank you very much and GodBlessing
Awesome thanks!
How to play if also add guitar?
Can anyone tell me what music he is playing on piano????
Thanks!
brilliant video
Yep, just because you _can_ do it all, does not mean you _should_ !
The problem is I am left-handed and I love to play bass on my piano I was wondering if I can ask somebody maybe somebody can help me is there any way that I and the bass player whoever I work with can work something out? Because just to play chords in my left hand in the middle of the middle section that's just bored to live in hell out of me.
If you play piano this way-- heavy left hand, you just might actually be a bass player. 😉
@@dsoule4902 thank you very much for your replying I've tried playing bass maybe once or twice but I still love playing the piano. I'm still looking for some kind of assistance maybe somebody can help me out there. Like I says I'm wondering if I can work something out between me and the bass player so that I don't get in his way and he doesn't get in mind.
is pianote as ..piano note.....or pianote as big piano in Spanish ? lol
We had no idea it meant big piano! Haha
It means small piano 😭 rs
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Can I plug a surge protector into an extension Cord?
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Where is the guitar???
Could u tell the chord progressions used.?
It's basically C7 F7 C7 G7 F7 C (C pentatonic scale run)
Pablo Sorbara thank you
Hey can you plz tell me what music he is playing
Parts of this border on the ridiculous. No piano player who has even rudimentary playing ability, hammers every note like the "bad" example. Also, these tips might be ok for jamming, but if you are in a band, and or doing covers, the piano/keyboards shouldn't be played to 'avoid' playing in the same octave as other instruments. My piano never sounds like an electric bass, or a drum. Might as well tell the drummer to get rid of his Bass Drum too. and tell them to get rid of the snare, because the highs are within the octave of the singer etc. Based on these tips songs like Hold the Line would never have been written because they hammer the piano like a drum. How can you honestly tell a piano player to play closer to middle C??? why bother having 88 keys then? Bass notes on a piano sound much grittier than an electric bass. They can complement not compete with each other. Obivously you have never heard Jon Lord play organ using the low registers, and doubling his leads with Ritchie Blackmore on guitar. I'd say they were a pretty successful band.
Bro chill. These are just general guidelines.
Yeah that’s cool and all, but how the hell do I know what keys to use?
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bass is too subdued and muddy at all times, and I know the issue is definitely in the recording
Most bands have a guitar as lead instrument… this wouldn’t work.
Add these 3 tips to my 7 Things Not To Do When Playing Keyboards In A Band video , and we've got 10 Tips my friend.
You're a moron.
Lol why
Dude what about Dynamics? Dynamics has to be the SINGLE most important element of a piano player in a band! You've consistently played with one volume in this entire video! Can't even hear the bass!!!
Dynamics is definitely not the most important part of playing piano in a band.
Thanks!
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