If a Spec Ops bad ass like Pat can admit his battles with depression and alcoholism. No one should be ashamed of admitting they are going through it. Stay strong you can make it to the other side.
8 years active duty USMC and 3 years active duty Army. Got out a few months after my last deployment and fell into a deep depression. It was a dark place. Absolute anhedonia. Could barely get out of bed. Was drinking whisky daily. Finally broke through the vicious cycle with the use of exercise. I kept the momentum going, attended college (despite having dropped out of HS in the 10th grade), and am now attending graduate school at the University of Texas. Depression is hell on earth. It robs you of life. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
Have you read Tribe, by Sebastian Junger? I've met a sociologist who said that the deep feeling of belonging that people develop in the military is some sort of Stockholm syndrome. But, even personally speaking, there's no feeling like being between brothers from other families.
Don't quit man... Don't ever quit. Retired in 2009 after 24 years, I'm just now getting my shit together. A guy told me "your mind is a garden. If you plant bad seeds, bad shit will grow. Stop the negative self talk"... I'll tell you man, it ain't easy but I fight negative thoughts like they're AIF/Taliban/ISIS (after my time). You know what I'm sayin? 20 push ups for every dark thought, 2 miles for over the top anger..... Don't let the fucker win
Derek, thank you for sharing. That takes guts. Use your momentum to do great things. 25 years Army here. MRD in two years. Fighting the good fight against alcohol, and it is a daily struggle. Your words inspire me. I’m trying to rekindle that fire like you have. Stay strong. Stay safe.
Fuck that ... all soldiers that came back intact are just lucky. And don't have the nobility nor the humbleness to acknowledge that. War is a bitch that you can't fuck. She fucks you.
Jo Po I think that happens to a lot of people. If you can cut back on imbibing, usually it’s going to improve your mental health. Happy to hear pat got out of it.
This is incredible. Hearing pat says this things and admit his troubles is truly inspiring. I always thought he was perfect. This was really helpful spiritually.
The strongest steel has been heat treated and tempered. We are no different. The most bad ass Soldiers, Airmen, Marines and Sailors on the planet have been through the same. They were put through the fire of life and yet found a way to survive and thrive. Pat is awesome, and should serve as inspiration to us all. No matter where you are tonight, you can be who you want to be tomorrow. Get to work!
I think Pat McNamara is one of the most fearsome men I have ever seen. To hear about how he struggled with depression/life and how he overcame it is inspiring. Someday I'd like to meet him.
I retired last may and it is rough, I wasn't necessarily depressed but I missed the infantry and I still miss it, but the things I miss the most are my guys and training them.
Totally relate to this. I've been rocking with Pat for years now but it's awesome to hear this part of his story. I was wounded in action in Iraq and medically retired from the army. Losing that brotherhood and purpose has really fucked me up. Lost everything through my struggles. But now at 33 I am starting all over once again and that's ok. I'm still here and I'm still in the fight. I'm not going to capitulate accept mediocrity. A little bit of empathy goes a long way.
Thanks boys! I'm just taking it one day at at time. Going from the airborne infantry world to Ft. Livingroom has been quite the shit show of transition. I've reached out and started to get some help though and I'm starting to feel a little better each day. Thanks for the encouragement, means a lot.
You are sooo appretiated by this country. Find an American Legion or VFW. It is amazing how much it helps being around people who speak the same language. Plus, you will never look at old guys the same. So real humble guys, who saved our country. Pick up a bible and make that part of your daily routine! That is the most important element in recovery brother.
One of his vids hes talking about situational awareness/active shooter, "never wear sandals, if anyone ever sees me in public with sandals you have permission to punch me in the face as hard as you can".
@@Latinos4Trump The only time you will ever have to defend yourself in the real world is the one time you go out in sandals. It’s like the Universe knows you have hobbled yourself. Wear a nice shirt to the club is another universal violence bait....
This such an honest and heart felt explanation what so many, competitive, successful, middle aged men go through when the seasons change. The message is resonating!
Aside from the fact I was never a badass like Pat, after I left the service I went through a lot of what he describes. The battle is real, and it is something we can beat! Do not quit on yourself.
Just got out in August after 10 years of AD. The last 2 months have felt longer and harder than the last 2 years of my life but on paper I look fine. Thank you for this video, I needed to hear someone else talk about post military depression + anxiety but most importantly - insights/guidance.
The part where he looks at his child while he's hammered and says "I will not be defeated" really shook me. It was like the last bit of hope he had ignited the fire of change in his soul. Really an awesome story.
Update. This is now my 6th week of being back in the gym going 3 times a week. I've lost 10lbs and my strength and size have increased a great deal. I feel great and am extremely happy. Probably the best thing I've done is take a note book with me to record what I do and increase the weight by 2.5-5lbs the next week. It amazes me how many people don't keep track of their progress in the gym. It's impossible to remember everything.
Np vols so glad you updated us congrats man that’s amazing!!! Since I commented I have officially quit all nicotine products and don’t have any urges, and I have really cut down my MJ intake. As big of a meme Joe can be at times, he is such an inspiration
This guy is one of my heroes man. Even more now. I don’t want to go over my military career but it ended in 2010. Lost my kid in a car a accident in 09. Lost my mind, fucked up and sidelined a promising career. Got into anything I could get my hands on. Had another kid with a classmate in college it went way bad. Bankrupted myself fighting for custody, had my training and disciplinary record in conjunction used against me to rob me of custody. Tried to take the easy out was too drunk tripped over a chair and missed, other than some torn scalp I’m good. Moved, got back into dumb shit after5 years sober. Dropped out of college again became a damn drug dealer, splitting my time between that and providing medical attention to those who needed it and illegal bounty hunting for peoples stolen possessions. Anyway I’m with a good woman who’s never been in any of the dumb shit I have but accepts my stupidity as my past and helps me work on the rest. She’s another hero of mine. Anyway he’s intense and hobby driven like myself. Very relatable guy and hearing how he’s come through his own shit helps out a lot. Thanks for the video.
@@vampire361 yeah. Actually. I am having a hard time with getting my head right but my wife and I got ourselves a van. Traveling around. Had more than our fair share of abuse and harassment from cops everywhere we go. The van makes people assume I’m still an addict or that I’m a kiddy snatcher Even after I painted the damn thing a uniform color and literally posted a sign saying “stop calling the cops I’m not a druggie or a chimo I’m just poor”. I suppose in actuality I should have put any more next to the druggie thing but That probably wouldn’t help matters seeing as stigma already had 8 cops with ar15s drawn and pointed at us because somebody shot at us (yeah shoot the victim just about and tossed me between 3 different cop cars treating me like the shooter. Fuckin hick town. The guy who shot at us was friends with the cops so they sent one car to his house and he never got touched by cuffs but I got very intensely ordered out of my van at firing squad point. No fucks given my pants half off which promptly fell down and I did the most intelligent thing I could think of and grabbed em while turning my back like they told me to with a “what the fuck is your problem assholes why are you pointing guns at me I’m the one who got shot at I didn’t even shoot back and I wasn’t armed.” I was kinda surprised I wasn’t Swiss at that point but yeah. They eventually let me go with a threat to arrest me if we didn’t leave town. My Life is improving habits wise mostly because my wife doesn’t handle the op tempo like I do and I don’t like her having to deal with my mood swings on top of everything else I put her through. Or maybe shes actually sane and not actively trying to get shot up and barbecued on the daily like I do. . Luck not so much with me until I absolutely need it. I actually went all vigilante on some human trafficking syndicate for awhile. It was going great, rescued some kids, not going to say what I did to the rather belligerent gentleman trying to stop me from doing so by protesting with their big gun voices. Had them almost on their heels or thought I did until I got two of my friends killed, one a “suicide”. I don’t care that she was a civilian or that she pitched for the other team I folded her a flag god damn it and I don’t care who that pisses off. All of that ended (for now) with a bomb being put in my house and all the guns but my two daily carries stolen. That was probably the luckiest day of my life And one of the shittiest Jumped on the sombich to shield my wife or was in the process of doing so when it went. Hell of a piece of shrapnel in my arm and a small one in the face, every last bit of the rest of it was like it just dissappeared. It was winter so I had leathers and layers on but nobody but me got hit and my coat has literally only one hole. Miracle. Really weird sensation trying to do a half belly flop but about halfway down stop falling almost completely then the lenses of my glasses give me two black eyes I stop falling for a split second then my face bashes off the counter Top and I’m in pain like everywhere completely deaf not even standard tinnitus just nothing. Felt like something broke my jaw on both hinges part of my hearing starts to come back that or my wife just shrieks that loud I’m not sure which. She starts tearing my clothes off like we were newly weds and that’s when I notice the blood. Pouring down my right side and out of my face where I can’t see. I didn’t even check with my fingers I just asked “how much of my face is gone?” My wife hysterically laughed (sheer panic) and pinched the end of her pinky to show that it was just a hole. We get my Michelin man level of coat layers off only to find a similar if not smaller hole in my bicep, wasn’t even any arterial damage couple of veins. Turns out I was just being a little bitch over two pencil sized holes. The actual miracle of it all is we lived in a pop up tarp trailer that’s the only reason any of us survived whether my dumb ass tried to go all hero or not. Can’t really say I had much time to consider that at the time but hey. Anyway the place was on fire had to put that out. My hair hasn’t grown back quite so magnificently to this day about two years ago. Or less. I kept my eyes my arm and most importantly my wife. Had to get new glasses new coat and my jaw slamming shut broke two of my molars much like the stitches I took care of them myself and honestly that was the most painful part of the whole ordeal. Did a header into the trash can passing out from the upper one. I am ok with that in the 14-15 months I was doing my little 1-3 man war only 11 kids got taken. The week I left they took six. They knew they beat me, and that’s hard to swallow but I wasn’t going to do anybody any good by killing my self for nothing. I went back twice. Once to give Mackenzie her respect and another to pay some respect to the conductors of her “suicide” I’ve been on the move since not in law trouble or anything but just as dangerous in a way. Beleive it or don’t but yeah I’m alive. I’m trying to be domestic in my (hillbilly) armored van. Rounding up people with my sob story. I’m sober, I’m alive and I’m as happy as I can allow myself to be as a failed leader and idiot with dilutions of heroism who thought he could take on an organized crime syndicate by himself like some kind of punisher wannabe. I’m alive and I’m not in harms way at the moment, but I still feel i owe Tracy and Mackenzie in one way and more than a few others in another. Healthy? Probably not. I’m pretty sure I made my already epic complex ptsd a little more complex but I don’t nurse my wounds with drugs and alcohol at least although some days it’s just about all I think about. Thanks for the prayers or we’ll wishing and kindness. It truly means a lot. Thanks for not calling the fbi I know venting this kind of shit on the internet no matter how thinly vague is completely fuckin window licker but honestly I have very little respect for the law as is. If they actually cared about public safety they wouldn’t have cops on the take for a gang of chimos for one thing and more importantly a washed out old soldier turned drug addict/dealer turned philanthropist criminal wouldnt have to do their job for them. If any cops read this I don’t care if you kill me or arrest me but I will say this spend less time generating state revenue and more time looking into this shit instead of looking the other way or worse helping out those scum. Do your fuckin job. If you can’t protect and serve adults or don’t think it’s your duty then fuckin at least step up and hammer these mother Fuckers that steal kids and sell them into rape slavery. I realized that I never even made a dent I just got people killed and was a temporary speed bump. I and my friends shouldn’t have ever even had to be that.
Navy spec ops here. Currently battling depression in between missions. Nothing compares to war. Not easy at all and I commend PatMac. Nurturing the ember is a daily task and I know he's putting in effort daily.
I'm not Military,but living in the U.S for 22 (Some what challenging) yrs..Born in London(UK) Into what once that typical Crazy large Irish Catholic🇮🇪☘️ family(which has left it's Scars) So to battle my Demons,I work hard every day(Staying busy is an distraction,wth only a few days off in the last 4yrs,I was hoping to buy something,that's the target&objective or do some Travelling abroad! (And I work taking care of 2 Quadriplegics &1 Paraplegics f/t) which gives one a certain perspective.). Fortunately I don't Smoke,or do Drugs&rarely drink these days(And only in select Company) So my life is a Discipline(perhaps a little boring for some)but I do enjoy "Peace&Quite"& listen to some Classical Music and de stress,it helps👍... So my Man,stay Healthy,focused and Safe!!👍🇮🇪☘️
I got out in 2010 and have been battling depression big time. Ive had it for years and PTSD to boot. I seriously needed to here this, in fact I’m downloading this so I can listen to this often.
Pat McNamara is quite humble. He was an Army Tier 1 ultra-elite operator with Delta. Pat's credentials speak for himself. After going through some rough spots as he described, he reinvented himself, and besides teaching self defense and tactical survival, he is a "certified" Basic Dude Stuff instructor for all of us. A great human being, not to fuck with. Thank you for the interview, Joe Rogan, our Texas guest (I live in Houston 🤠).
A good woman is indescribable! A gift from God! I know Pat talks about other things and doesn’t talk much about his now wife but… My wife, God bless her! Indescribable!!!
I was about to go on a booze run, after saying enough is enough. This came up on screen. Thanks Pat, for your honesty and openness, and Joe for uploading. Cheers Men .. from OZ ;-)
One of the things that has helped me get out of that dark place mentally was to get back into active logical thinking. This helped a lot with dealing with that weird phase of depression and anxiety where you ruminate about irrational thoughts. That ruminating phase is one of the toughest aspects for me personally to get over. With logical thinking strategies I have been able ward off the affects of irrational anxious thought patterns that feed on guilt and anxiety. Some of the things that I do is read text books on subjects like physics concentrate on arithmetic and mathematical equations, watch documentaries on scientists, inventors, and prominent historical figures etc. because what this all comes down to is your body has so much pent up energy both mentally and physically that if their is no outlet for that energy it turns inward and it can do some nasty things to you both mentally and physically. Oh and definitely physical readiness and fitness plays a huge role in coping and eventually getting rid of that monkey of depression off your back. And there is one more thing, it is going to take time to deal with depression. It’s part of the process of learning to cope with it and you have reassure yourself that you are going to get better even though that light at the end of the tunnel seems like a speck there is still light there. And that you are not a quitter, you are a fighter that has a indomitable will that won’t and can’t quit. You have to immediately start meeting your obstacles head on and that sometimes the only way around those obstacles is through them. Your natural reaction to depression and anxiety is to curl up into a ball where it is safe when really you have to fight that response and become more like a juggernaut with your chest sticking out walking down the street like an unstoppable force unafraid of the world. Anxiety is a crippling response that wants you to hide away where it is safe and you fight by defeating irrational thinking and crushing apprehension. If irrationality is the mental stumbling block to depression and anxiety, then apprehension is the physical equivalent. When you defeat these two things you will conquer anything.
Dennis Hazard Thanks for posting! This is J Peterson level good stuff. Altho, i wld say anxiety/apprehension are paired and both mental? The physical is the ball curling up and hiding ... been there, trying to undo that. One day at a time. Serenity Courage Wisdom..
Very revealing and gives me even more respect for McNamara. Shows that he isn't 'acting the tough guy', he's earned it and had to find it again, and he's sharing that enthusiasm.
Thank you Joe Rogan for this interview. Hits close to home and I love seeing people not only see the light at the end of the tunnel but making it through and excelling!
To hear a man of this caliber to admit his shortcomings be self aware in a time that life is shitting on you..from someone who’s battled similar situations in my opinion is thee best motivation and sense of hope can’t be described...THANK YOU MSG Pat Mac!..thank you for sharing 🙏🏼💙💯🇺🇸...oh..and thank you for my daily dose of natural TRT just from listening to this podcast
He's right about comradery in the military and the sense of having a purpose. When I left the United States Army in 1997 I missed the comradery. When I endured an accident that left me paralyzed from the neck down I struggled daily. One day my ole lady brought it to my attention that I was showing signs of depression. I never sought help I just started to take natural herbs and began to get my mind straight and push forward. I wasn't going to reach my goals if I didn't get my mind straight. Now I'm healing and getting stronger I'm learning to walk again which is a miracle that I'm at this point. We all hit rock bottom sooner or later in life you just need to dig deep for perseverance
A Major was giving a speech at a graduation ceremony and said: The Air Force (or any branch of the military) is the only place where you will ever work and be 'in' rather than 'at'. You work AT Google, Ford, Boeing, etc. but you are IN the Air Force, Marines, Army, Navy, etc. I was only IN for six years and it still affected me when I left. Not in a dramatic way like Pat or others on these comments but it did affect me. IN means a lot and I salute all who have served or are serving in any branch and in any country.
Feeling pretty down now, undefeated, and a bit unloved, the messages from Joe and Pat in this video were encouraging, and uplifting. Guess it’s something I needed to hear. 😰💔😢
I've been there man not too long ago but your got to make a positive out of everything, enjoy what you're got now even if it's nothing because someone has less than nothing , depression is only in your mind so let's not hold your self back and not reach your own potential because of your own mind
Incredible to hear Pat describe why it was hard getting out of the military and what was being missed. I hope to have the same success in finding such a positive place in life after the military as Pat did with his.
Family don’t understand the pain. The pain of hearing the screaming of you’re best friends knowing that you can’t do anything about it. That fucked with my mind.
Thanks Joe and Pat I really needed to hear that. Sometimes you really don't have anyone telling you that it's possible to get your shot together no matter how messed up you are. Sometimes some guys like you just put this positive message out through the Internet and it hits and resonates with someone like me and it feels like advice and help from a brother I have never met. I am going to turn things around now. Maybe one day I will shake your hands and tell you what it really meant for me. God bless you.
I've been in the dark hole for the last 8 months. I just started a new job and career this past Monday, and I'm forcing myself to train and workout everyday. I didn't give up, nor will I. The "pilot light" is always lit, it's just a matter of making it grow into a blaze. I never thought I'd be in the situation of depression and feeling unfulfilled, but I was. Now, it's time to get up and move forward. The last 8 months is past, now I'm looking ahead and moving forward.
Yeah, I got out of the service and was met with a divorce when when I came home from Vietnam. I got a small apartment, a plate, knife, fork and spoon. And an electric skillet and hamburger helper. We split a stereo system. My furniture was from the apartment pool lounge chairs. My table was a speaker box. It went downhill from there…..booze and women. Car wrecks, etc. But, you can recover, and in my case,it took a break. I moved 500 miles away and got a new start, thanks to friends and Divine Providence. It’s been zig-zag, but uphill since then, along with hard work and perseverance. Life isn’t easy. Nobody gives you anything. Love and Opportunity overcomes any adversity.
This guy was Delta. He had the mental and physical aspects of an MJ, Brady, Mayweather. To still have depression just tells you what these guys have to deal with. Modern day Spartans
Sf mentality is untouchable. Seriously. I’d never compare Patmac to anybody that you mentioned. Including Goggins. Jocko willink. Etc. That’s a level of mental toughness that is unmatched. None of those guys could push themselves like that. May weather isn’t running 30 extra miles after breaking every small bone in their feet.
I'm 51, fairly strong & fit'ish. I retired from the Army July 2019, then soon thereafter lost a most lucrative truck driving gig, due to covid shutting my company down. Was stuck in mediocrity driving horseshit OTR all over the country making mediocre money. Saved up up $6,800 & just started my own trucking authority & LLC. That fire...has re-kindled into a white phosphorous unstoppable flame again! Life is tough. STOKE. THAT. GAW'DAMN. FIRE!!!
The Four Reasons to Workout by Pat McNamara: 1. Health and longevity. 2. Be able to save your own life if need be. 3. Be able to save someone else's life if need be. 4. Be able to kick someone's fuckin ass.
The major reason for depression is us. We are not taking good care of each other and looking out for each other like humans should, when you have that sense of security that ure backed with loving and caring people even if ure extremely broke you dont really get depressed. But then again we wont know what good is if evil didn't exist. I salute u for overcoming it man and please pray for me that i do too people.
One good day won't change true depression. If you haven't been truly depressed, you won't know what to do. Real depression is not just a matter of being positive.
Gosh dog. That balance of toughness and forgiving yourself when you just want to sleep but know you gotta fight. I’ll choose to fight. Merry Christmas and Happy New Years everyone. 2024 will be a game changer for us!👍💯
My retired/discharged for being diabetic has ptsd from the troubles in Northern Ireland and hate seeing him the way he is makes me depressed seeing him the way he is thing is u can't talk to him bout it or he'll get angry
This vid was 4 yrs ago. Hope JR is going back and reflecting on these sit downs and realizing that what he heard was God's work in these folks. He says "faith"...that comes from God. Be blessed.
If a Spec Ops bad ass like Pat can admit his battles with depression and alcoholism. No one should be ashamed of admitting they are going through it. Stay strong you can make it to the other side.
Man I've been having struggles after medically retiring after being shot. This gives me hope.
@@thelastmiddleclass2490 it's all going to work out brother. Stay strong!
Well said sir!
Well said brother....
TheLastMiddleClass This made me happy. I’ll pray for you. You’re gonna be good brother. Be strong
8 years active duty USMC and 3 years active duty Army. Got out a few months after my last deployment and fell into a deep depression. It was a dark place. Absolute anhedonia. Could barely get out of bed. Was drinking whisky daily. Finally broke through the vicious cycle with the use of exercise. I kept the momentum going, attended college (despite having dropped out of HS in the 10th grade), and am now attending graduate school at the University of Texas.
Depression is hell on earth. It robs you of life. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
Have you read Tribe, by Sebastian Junger? I've met a sociologist who said that the deep feeling of belonging that people develop in the military is some sort of Stockholm syndrome. But, even personally speaking, there's no feeling like being between brothers from other families.
Thanks for your service. Stay strong.
Don't quit man... Don't ever quit. Retired in 2009 after 24 years, I'm just now getting my shit together. A guy told me "your mind is a garden. If you plant bad seeds, bad shit will grow. Stop the negative self talk"... I'll tell you man, it ain't easy but I fight negative thoughts like they're AIF/Taliban/ISIS (after my time). You know what I'm sayin? 20 push ups for every dark thought, 2 miles for over the top anger..... Don't let the fucker win
Hell yeah! God Bless you!
Derek, thank you for sharing. That takes guts. Use your momentum to do great things. 25 years Army here. MRD in two years. Fighting the good fight against alcohol, and it is a daily struggle. Your words inspire me. I’m trying to rekindle that fire like you have. Stay strong. Stay safe.
That man is straight out of black ops 1.
TheSouthSanta love that game. Shame games like that aren’t produced these days
Ruin baby
@@darius8717 boomer detected
Literally
Fuck that ... all soldiers that came back intact are just lucky.
And don't have the nobility nor the humbleness to acknowledge that.
War is a bitch that you can't fuck.
She fucks you.
I think Pat sobered up, and his depression got scared and ran away.
Jo Po I think that happens to a lot of people. If you can cut back on imbibing, usually it’s going to improve your mental health. Happy to hear pat got out of it.
😱😱😱😱👍🏼🤣
He’s not sober, he mentioned he drinks beer and bourbon
@@chimneyface thats great news lol. Same here
This is incredible. Hearing pat says this things and admit his troubles is truly inspiring. I always thought he was perfect. This was really helpful spiritually.
It's a really big thing to look at yourself/your ..life and make changes.
Me too !
The strongest steel has been heat treated and tempered. We are no different. The most bad ass Soldiers, Airmen, Marines and Sailors on the planet have been through the same. They were put through the fire of life and yet found a way to survive and thrive. Pat is awesome, and should serve as inspiration to us all. No matter where you are tonight, you can be who you want to be tomorrow. Get to work!
I think Pat McNamara is one of the most fearsome men I have ever seen. To hear about how he struggled with depression/life and how he overcame it is inspiring. Someday I'd like to meet him.
I retired last may and it is rough, I wasn't necessarily depressed but I missed the infantry and I still miss it, but the things I miss the most are my guys and training them.
triggerrick thanks for your service sir!
@@nononono12345 you're welcome, thanks for paying taxes 🤣🤣🤣
@@triggerrick 😂😂
I get taxed $200 a week. I think atleast 50% of taxes are millitary use.
@@bigzachful every Penny helps brother.
Thanks for your service. I'm 25, in the process of enlisting. I regret not doing it sooner but here we go!
Totally relate to this. I've been rocking with Pat for years now but it's awesome to hear this part of his story. I was wounded in action in Iraq and medically retired from the army. Losing that brotherhood and purpose has really fucked me up. Lost everything through my struggles. But now at 33 I am starting all over once again and that's ok. I'm still here and I'm still in the fight. I'm not going to capitulate accept mediocrity. A little bit of empathy goes a long way.
Deuce - chin up Brother , Ex Australian Para here , been through the ringer myself . A lot better now . Hope your doing well man . All the best .
Deuce - keep going dude from Australia 🇦🇺
Thanks boys! I'm just taking it one day at at time. Going from the airborne infantry world to Ft. Livingroom has been quite the shit show of transition. I've reached out and started to get some help though and I'm starting to feel a little better each day. Thanks for the encouragement, means a lot.
All the way bro
You are sooo appretiated by this country. Find an American Legion or VFW. It is amazing how much it helps being around people who speak the same language. Plus, you will never look at old guys the same. So real humble guys, who saved our country. Pick up a bible and make that part of your daily routine! That is the most important element in recovery brother.
I'm 58,still digging my way out of that dark hole.
mark Jones that’s what happens when you got to war to kill innocent people
mark Jones exercise helps massively, especially Olympic style weightlifting in my own case
Put on those running shoes
@@johnmclean465 what makes you think there innocent ????
Not Telling 80% of them are innocent but the truth most be told sometimes.
this is one of the greatest episodes ever. Depression is no joke.
The special forces guys always have a vibe even in their street clothe like "yeah this guy knows something about defending themselves that I don't"
Simon Keel training, fitness, tight brotherhood, experience..
One of his vids hes talking about situational awareness/active shooter, "never wear sandals, if anyone ever sees me in public with sandals you have permission to punch me in the face as hard as you can".
@@Latinos4Trump The only time you will ever have to defend yourself in the real world is the one time you go out in sandals. It’s like the Universe knows you have hobbled yourself. Wear a nice shirt to the club is another universal violence bait....
Way to let him talk Joe. I hate when interviewers interrupt
I think that's Joe's strength 💪
This such an honest and heart felt explanation what so many, competitive, successful, middle aged men go through when the seasons change. The message is resonating!
Oh man! I learned the last lesson for my self a few weeks ago. one day changed everything. Momentum is the key.
Aside from the fact I was never a badass like Pat, after I left the service I went through a lot of what he describes. The battle is real, and it is something we can beat! Do not quit on yourself.
Just got out in August after 10 years of AD. The last 2 months have felt longer and harder than the last 2 years of my life but on paper I look fine. Thank you for this video, I needed to hear someone else talk about post military depression + anxiety but most importantly - insights/guidance.
The part where he looks at his child while he's hammered and says "I will not be defeated" really shook me. It was like the last bit of hope he had ignited the fire of change in his soul. Really an awesome story.
This is some shit I really needed to hear right now. Thanks Pat and Joe.
Me too man.... I just need to get in the gym
Sneakerhead Farb seconded !
Np vols Roger that ..
Update. This is now my 6th week of being back in the gym going 3 times a week. I've lost 10lbs and my strength and size have increased a great deal. I feel great and am extremely happy. Probably the best thing I've done is take a note book with me to record what I do and increase the weight by 2.5-5lbs the next week. It amazes me how many people don't keep track of their progress in the gym. It's impossible to remember everything.
Np vols so glad you updated us congrats man that’s amazing!!! Since I commented I have officially quit all nicotine products and don’t have any urges, and I have really cut down my MJ intake. As big of a meme Joe can be at times, he is such an inspiration
Thank you dude. You just kicked my ass!!!!! I'm a Army brat & came on some bad luck & you woke me up. Thank you for your service!!!!!!
This guy is as raw as it gets. Much respect Pat. Thank you for telling your story.
This guy is one of my heroes man. Even more now. I don’t want to go over my military career but it ended in 2010. Lost my kid in a car a accident in 09. Lost my mind, fucked up and sidelined a promising career. Got into anything I could get my hands on. Had another kid with a classmate in college it went way bad. Bankrupted myself fighting for custody, had my training and disciplinary record in conjunction used against me to rob me of custody. Tried to take the easy out was too drunk tripped over a chair and missed, other than some torn scalp I’m good. Moved, got back into dumb shit after5 years sober. Dropped out of college again became a damn drug dealer, splitting my time between that and providing medical attention to those who needed it and illegal bounty hunting for peoples stolen possessions. Anyway I’m with a good woman who’s never been in any of the dumb shit I have but accepts my stupidity as my past and helps me work on the rest. She’s another hero of mine. Anyway he’s intense and hobby driven like myself. Very relatable guy and hearing how he’s come through his own shit helps out a lot. Thanks for the video.
I hope you’re still with us and living a clean life.
@@vampire361 yeah. Actually. I am having a hard time with getting my head right but my wife and I got ourselves a van. Traveling around. Had more than our fair share of abuse and harassment from cops everywhere we go. The van makes people assume I’m still an addict or that I’m a kiddy snatcher Even after I painted the damn thing a uniform color and literally posted a sign saying “stop calling the cops I’m not a druggie or a chimo I’m just poor”. I suppose in actuality I should have put any more next to the druggie thing but That probably wouldn’t help matters seeing as stigma already had 8 cops with ar15s drawn and pointed at us because somebody shot at us (yeah shoot the victim just about and tossed me between 3 different cop cars treating me like the shooter. Fuckin hick town. The guy who shot at us was friends with the cops so they sent one car to his house and he never got touched by cuffs but I got very intensely ordered out of my van at firing squad point. No fucks given my pants half off which promptly fell down and I did the most intelligent thing I could think of and grabbed em while turning my back like they told me to with a “what the fuck is your problem assholes why are you pointing guns at me I’m the one who got shot at I didn’t even shoot back and I wasn’t armed.” I was kinda surprised I wasn’t Swiss at that point but yeah. They eventually let me go with a threat to arrest me if we didn’t leave town.
My Life is improving habits wise mostly because my wife doesn’t handle the op tempo like I do and I don’t like her having to deal with my mood swings on top of everything else I put her through. Or maybe shes actually sane and not actively trying to get shot up and barbecued on the daily like I do. . Luck not so much with me until I absolutely need it. I actually went all vigilante on some human trafficking syndicate for awhile. It was going great, rescued some kids, not going to say what I did to the rather belligerent gentleman trying to stop me from doing so by protesting with their big gun voices. Had them almost on their heels or thought I did until I got two of my friends killed, one a “suicide”. I don’t care that she was a civilian or that she pitched for the other team I folded her a flag god damn it and I don’t care who that pisses off. All of that ended (for now) with a bomb being put in my house and all the guns but my two daily carries stolen. That was probably the luckiest day of my life And one of the shittiest Jumped on the sombich to shield my wife or was in the process of doing so when it went. Hell of a piece of shrapnel in my arm and a small one in the face, every last bit of the rest of it was like it just dissappeared. It was winter so I had leathers and layers on but nobody but me got hit and my coat has literally only one hole. Miracle. Really weird sensation trying to do a half belly flop but about halfway down stop falling almost completely then the lenses of my glasses give me two black eyes I stop falling for a split second then my face bashes off the counter Top and I’m in pain like everywhere completely deaf not even standard tinnitus just nothing. Felt like something broke my jaw on both hinges part of my hearing starts to come back that or my wife just shrieks that loud I’m not sure which. She starts tearing my clothes off like we were newly weds and that’s when I notice the blood. Pouring down my right side and out of my face where I can’t see. I didn’t even check with my fingers I just asked “how much of my face is gone?” My wife hysterically laughed (sheer panic) and pinched the end of her pinky to show that it was just a hole. We get my Michelin man level of coat layers off only to find a similar if not smaller hole in my bicep, wasn’t even any arterial damage couple of veins. Turns out I was just being a little bitch over two pencil sized holes. The actual miracle of it all is we lived in a pop up tarp trailer that’s the only reason any of us survived whether my dumb ass tried to go all hero or not. Can’t really say I had much time to consider that at the time but hey. Anyway the place was on fire had to put that out. My hair hasn’t grown back quite so magnificently to this day about two years ago. Or less. I kept my eyes my arm and most importantly my wife. Had to get new glasses new coat and my jaw slamming shut broke two of my molars much like the stitches I took care of them myself and honestly that was the most painful part of the whole ordeal. Did a header into the trash can passing out from the upper one. I am ok with that in the 14-15 months I was doing my little 1-3 man war only 11 kids got taken. The week I left they took six. They knew they beat me, and that’s hard to swallow but I wasn’t going to do anybody any good by killing my self for nothing. I went back twice. Once to give Mackenzie her respect and another to pay some respect to the conductors of her “suicide” I’ve been on the move since not in law trouble or anything but just as dangerous in a way. Beleive it or don’t but yeah I’m alive. I’m trying to be domestic in my (hillbilly) armored van. Rounding up people with my sob story. I’m sober, I’m alive and I’m as happy as I can allow myself to be as a failed leader and idiot with dilutions of heroism who thought he could take on an organized crime syndicate by himself like some kind of punisher wannabe. I’m alive and I’m not in harms way at the moment, but I still feel i owe Tracy and Mackenzie in one way and more than a few others in another. Healthy? Probably not. I’m pretty sure I made my already epic complex ptsd a little more complex but I don’t nurse my wounds with drugs and alcohol at least although some days it’s just about all I think about. Thanks for the prayers or we’ll wishing and kindness. It truly means a lot. Thanks for not calling the fbi I know venting this kind of shit on the internet no matter how thinly vague is completely fuckin window licker but honestly I have very little respect for the law as is. If they actually cared about public safety they wouldn’t have cops on the take for a gang of chimos for one thing and more importantly a washed out old soldier turned drug addict/dealer turned philanthropist criminal wouldnt have to do their job for them. If any cops read this I don’t care if you kill me or arrest me but I will say this spend less time generating state revenue and more time looking into this shit instead of looking the other way or worse helping out those scum. Do your fuckin job. If you can’t protect and serve adults or don’t think it’s your duty then fuckin at least step up and hammer these mother Fuckers that steal kids and sell them into rape slavery. I realized that I never even made a dent I just got people killed and was a temporary speed bump. I and my friends shouldn’t have ever even had to be that.
Guys like you make me realize my life really isn’t that bad. I need to stop being a pussy
Navy spec ops here. Currently battling depression in between missions. Nothing compares to war. Not easy at all and I commend PatMac. Nurturing the ember is a daily task and I know he's putting in effort daily.
I'm not Military,but living in the U.S for 22 (Some what challenging) yrs..Born in London(UK) Into what once that typical Crazy large Irish Catholic🇮🇪☘️ family(which has left it's Scars) So to battle my Demons,I work hard every day(Staying busy is an distraction,wth only a few days off in the last 4yrs,I was hoping to buy something,that's the target&objective or do some Travelling abroad!
(And I work taking care of 2 Quadriplegics &1 Paraplegics f/t) which gives one a certain perspective.). Fortunately I don't Smoke,or do Drugs&rarely drink these days(And only in select Company)
So my life is a Discipline(perhaps a little boring for some)but I do enjoy "Peace&Quite"& listen to some Classical Music and de stress,it helps👍...
So my Man,stay Healthy,focused and Safe!!👍🇮🇪☘️
I got out in 2010 and have been battling depression big time. Ive had it for years and PTSD to boot. I seriously needed to here this, in fact I’m downloading this so I can listen to this often.
Mad RESPECT to all of you HATS OFF.
Pat McNamara is quite humble. He was an Army Tier 1 ultra-elite operator with Delta. Pat's credentials speak for himself. After going through some rough spots as he described, he reinvented himself, and besides teaching self defense and tactical survival, he is a "certified" Basic Dude Stuff instructor for all of us. A great human being, not to fuck with. Thank you for the interview, Joe Rogan, our Texas guest (I live in Houston 🤠).
A good woman is indescribable! A gift from God! I know Pat talks about other things and doesn’t talk much about his now wife but… My wife, God bless her! Indescribable!!!
Hairless Whisper Be nice wouldn’t it ?
March Forth
I totally agree. God blesses but some.
Please describe said woman......
I hate harriers.
Fastrope15
She has ovaries.
Frikkin A. This is ONE motivating soundbite by both Pat & Joe. Outstanding
This is so damn good! He’s a freakin Stud and a super motivator! 🇺🇸👊🏻🇺🇸
Wow this story definitely gives me hope because I’m starting over and re-discovering myself at the age of 43
I was about to go on a booze run, after saying enough is enough. This came up on screen. Thanks Pat, for your honesty and openness, and Joe for uploading. Cheers Men .. from OZ ;-)
Great interview....Love the guys honesty.....More men need to do this....
One of the things that has helped me get out of that dark place mentally was to get back into active logical thinking. This helped a lot with dealing with that weird phase of depression and anxiety where you ruminate about irrational thoughts. That ruminating phase is one of the toughest aspects for me personally to get over. With logical thinking strategies I have been able ward off the affects of irrational anxious thought patterns that feed on guilt and anxiety. Some of the things that I do is read text books on subjects like physics concentrate on arithmetic and mathematical equations, watch documentaries on scientists, inventors, and prominent historical figures etc. because what this all comes down to is your body has so much pent up energy both mentally and physically that if their is no outlet for that energy it turns inward and it can do some nasty things to you both mentally and physically. Oh and definitely physical readiness and fitness plays a huge role in coping and eventually getting rid of that monkey of depression off your back. And there is one more thing, it is going to take time to deal with depression. It’s part of the process of learning to cope with it and you have reassure yourself that you are going to get better even though that light at the end of the tunnel seems like a speck there is still light there. And that you are not a quitter, you are a fighter that has a indomitable will that won’t and can’t quit. You have to immediately start meeting your obstacles head on and that sometimes the only way around those obstacles is through them. Your natural reaction to depression and anxiety is to curl up into a ball where it is safe when really you have to fight that response and become more like a juggernaut with your chest sticking out walking down the street like an unstoppable force unafraid of the world. Anxiety is a crippling response that wants you to hide away where it is safe and you fight by defeating irrational thinking and crushing apprehension. If irrationality is the mental stumbling block to depression and anxiety, then apprehension is the physical equivalent. When you defeat these two things you will conquer anything.
Dennis Hazard Thanks for posting! This is J Peterson level good stuff. Altho, i wld say anxiety/apprehension are paired and both mental? The physical is the ball curling up and hiding ... been there, trying to undo that. One day at a time. Serenity Courage Wisdom..
Very revealing and gives me even more respect for McNamara. Shows that he isn't 'acting the tough guy', he's earned it and had to find it again, and he's sharing that enthusiasm.
This little segment has helped me a lot, many times since i saw it
Bless these guys
Thank you Joe Rogan for this interview. Hits close to home and I love seeing people not only see the light at the end of the tunnel but making it through and excelling!
To hear a man of this caliber to admit his shortcomings be self aware in a time that life is shitting on you..from someone who’s battled similar situations in my opinion is thee best motivation and sense of hope can’t be described...THANK YOU MSG Pat Mac!..thank you for sharing 🙏🏼💙💯🇺🇸...oh..and thank you for my daily dose of natural TRT just from listening to this podcast
Man, the realest shit I’ve heard in years. Exactly relatable for me and mine right now. Thank you
He's right about comradery in the military and the sense of having a purpose. When I left the United States Army in 1997 I missed the comradery.
When I endured an accident that left me paralyzed from the neck down I struggled daily. One day my ole lady brought it to my attention that I was showing signs of depression. I never sought help I just started to take natural herbs and began to get my mind straight and push forward. I wasn't going to reach my goals if I didn't get my mind straight. Now I'm healing and getting stronger I'm learning to walk again which is a miracle that I'm at this point. We all hit rock bottom sooner or later in life you just need to dig deep for perseverance
A Major was giving a speech at a graduation ceremony and said: The Air Force (or any branch of the military) is the only place where you will ever work and be 'in' rather than 'at'. You work AT Google, Ford, Boeing, etc. but you are IN the Air Force, Marines, Army, Navy, etc. I was only IN for six years and it still affected me when I left. Not in a dramatic way like Pat or others on these comments but it did affect me. IN means a lot and I salute all who have served or are serving in any branch and in any country.
Wow, whole new level of respect. What an absolute warrior Pat is! Thank you for your service and continuation of commitment.
Feeling pretty down now, undefeated, and a bit unloved, the messages from Joe and Pat in this video were encouraging, and uplifting. Guess it’s something I needed to hear. 😰💔😢
The505Guys Oh thank you very much I appreciate that...
True about just having one good day it can change the way you live your life
I've been there man not too long ago but your got to make a positive out of everything, enjoy what you're got now even if it's nothing because someone has less than nothing , depression is only in your mind so let's not hold your self back and not reach your own potential because of your own mind
Miles Davidson don’t count your chickens! Stay vigilant!
Very good video this. His example and message will help lots of folks, who really need to hear this.
Two guys I admire a ton. And for a lot of different reasons.
Incredible to hear Pat describe why it was hard getting out of the military and what was being missed. I hope to have the same success in finding such a positive place in life after the military as Pat did with his.
Man 7:50 - 8:00 is pure gold. I don't usually curse but I'm stealing that mindset.
Family don’t understand the pain. The pain of hearing the screaming of you’re best friends knowing that you can’t do anything about it. That fucked with my mind.
My spirit animal is Pat Mac. Blaze Ops!!!!
Make it habitual🤘
thanks Joe, Pat, David and Jocko! Surround yourself with positive people, even if its only virtual. I can bring you so much!
Thanks Joe and Pat I really needed to hear that. Sometimes you really don't have anyone telling you that it's possible to get your shot together no matter how messed up you are. Sometimes some guys like you just put this positive message out through the Internet and it hits and resonates with someone like me and it feels like advice and help from a brother I have never met. I am going to turn things around now. Maybe one day I will shake your hands and tell you what it really meant for me. God bless you.
Salute to you. Respect from Brooklyn 💪🏽
This podcast The Joe Rogan Experience changed my life man.
I've been in the dark hole for the last 8 months. I just started a new job and career this past Monday, and I'm forcing myself to train and workout everyday. I didn't give up, nor will I. The "pilot light" is always lit, it's just a matter of making it grow into a blaze. I never thought I'd be in the situation of depression and feeling unfulfilled, but I was. Now, it's time to get up and move forward. The last 8 months is past, now I'm looking ahead and moving forward.
Taking care of oneself is Basic Dude Stuff right there! ✊
Yeah, I got out of the service and was met with a divorce when when I came home from Vietnam. I got a small apartment, a plate, knife, fork and spoon. And an electric skillet and hamburger helper. We split a stereo system. My furniture was from the apartment pool lounge chairs. My table was a speaker box. It went downhill from there…..booze and women. Car wrecks, etc. But, you can recover, and in my case,it took a break. I moved 500 miles away and got a new start, thanks to friends and Divine Providence. It’s been zig-zag, but uphill since then, along with hard work and perseverance. Life isn’t easy. Nobody gives you anything. Love and Opportunity overcomes any adversity.
Great job brother ! It took me a while after I got out to feel normal again . Training certainly helped
This talked to my soul
Now this is a video that men need.
This guy was Delta. He had the mental and physical aspects of an MJ, Brady, Mayweather. To still have depression just tells you what these guys have to deal with. Modern day Spartans
Matt Pagel did you just compare Pat Mac to Tom Brady and Floyd may weather? Pat Mac is light years ahead of these guys when it comes to toughness.
GETSTRAIGHTHIGH just his mental toughness
Matt Pagel what? That’s a fuckin joke
Sf mentality is untouchable. Seriously.
I’d never compare Patmac to anybody that you mentioned. Including Goggins. Jocko willink. Etc.
That’s a level of mental toughness that is unmatched. None of those guys could push themselves like that. May weather isn’t running 30 extra miles after breaking every small bone in their feet.
GETSTRAIGHTHIGH my argument is flawed? It doesn’t portend to your way of seeing it? Then fucking counter me with facts
I'm 51, fairly strong & fit'ish. I retired from the Army July 2019, then soon thereafter lost a most lucrative truck driving gig, due to covid shutting my company down. Was stuck in mediocrity driving horseshit OTR all over the country making mediocre money.
Saved up up $6,800 & just started my own trucking authority & LLC. That fire...has re-kindled into a white phosphorous unstoppable flame again!
Life is tough. STOKE. THAT. GAW'DAMN. FIRE!!!
Momentum is the key to live. The first step is the hardest
Pats the real deal. Good for him and his success.
The Four Reasons to Workout by Pat McNamara:
1. Health and longevity.
2. Be able to save your own life if need be.
3. Be able to save someone else's life if need be.
4. Be able to kick someone's fuckin ass.
4 solid fucking reasons id say. haha
This dude is about as humble and bad fucking ass as you could really be.
Pat is my hero. Real American bad ass. 🇺🇸. He is the real deal. Lean more about him and you will be amazed.
Why was the podcast pulled down I can't find it
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Pat Mac, the real deal, God Bless, keep on truckin!
That EMBER speech he just nonchalantly did is actually pretty inspiring....
What's the EMBER speech?
@@PearsAreOkay 4:00 onwards..an analogy
The major reason for depression is us. We are not taking good care of each other and looking out for each other like humans should, when you have that sense of security that ure backed with loving and caring people even if ure extremely broke you dont really get depressed. But then again we wont know what good is if evil didn't exist. I salute u for overcoming it man and please pray for me that i do too people.
Love your story bro, kia kaha (stay strong) from New Zealand.
I think working out and having active hobbies really helps a lot.
It works for me.
I have to stay active.
7:39 that's where I'm at! I'm getting that momentum.
I so get this - Hope to see you in HARTFORD Pat!
Great job as always, Joe!
Joe’s statement at 7:19 until the end of the video is so true, and more people need to hear it!
Going from extreme purpose to what one sees as purposeless is tough.
This is almost my life for six years after the Military.
thank you for my freedom and being a badass
Your dark times do not define you. Love it.
One good day won't change true depression. If you haven't been truly depressed, you won't know what to do. Real depression is not just a matter of being positive.
Gosh dog. That balance of toughness and forgiving yourself when you just want to sleep but know you gotta fight. I’ll choose to fight. Merry Christmas and Happy New Years everyone. 2024 will be a game changer for us!👍💯
"You still gotta ember" I absolutely love that! Gotta love Pat's honesty & transparency. No telling how many folks will benefit from this!
It just part of the real world Pat we all go through that s*** don't worry about small s***😢😢
My retired/discharged for being diabetic has ptsd from the troubles in Northern Ireland and hate seeing him the way he is makes me depressed seeing him the way he is thing is u can't talk to him bout it or he'll get angry
*fun with FLEGS
@@Oldhandlewasabitcringe arrrr fleeggsss
His stuttering tells his struggle.
I have it too after my divorce after living abroad for a decade and being taking advantage of.
You have to have Pat back on!
Thanks guys. Sums my life up ...
awesome interview .............. great job guys ........... !!!!!
Military tells you want to do you never need to think for yourself. Retiring from that kind of mindset would be a nightmare.
One of those cops was my brother from Pinehurst, NC....you’re a good dude Pat, my brother seen that.
This guys got the Eddie Bravo voice box.
Yes! Haha.
Eddie just needs his accent now.
Almost two months sober mother fuckers 🤙
This vid was 4 yrs ago. Hope JR is going back and reflecting on these sit downs and realizing that what he heard was God's work in these folks. He says "faith"...that comes from God. Be blessed.
Great talk guys. This is why I tune in. Thanks.
Kept thinking of Randy Savage.
Hhahaahahha true. Wheres Elizabeth?
Gman 5445 Don’t make me sad now.
ohhhhhh yeaaaaaaaaa
He's a combination of randy savage and wolverine from xmen fox kids animated series.
And zakk wylde and jesse ventura and some metal muso’s, and younger Hetfield, and a bunch of your US hard asses.. of which you have many ...
One bad moment doesn’t define you... you can be totally different the next day
Thanks Joe, Thanks Pat, One good day at a time!
Great encouraging clip👍
7:30 min Joe rogan I love u man, u relate to what u said and u made me feel better thank you
"Rekindle my own ember". That is the best thing I've ever heard, Pat.
Pat Mac, always an inspiration and source of motivation, gas it up burn it down