to me the most interesting part is that bloodborne makes the "monsters" sympathetic, they were violated by byrgenwerth, they were the real monsters. in lovecrafts story, the evil are the fish people and wiping them out is a good thing.
@@pjishomo Lovecraft wasn't about writting villains, it was about showing humanity is pathetic and insignificant and unable to comprehend superior knowledge. The fish people were just another allegory of this, a group of humans who tried to obtain knowledge far beyond their own and couldn't handle it. Not denying Lovecraft was racist (again, his CAT), among tons of other awful things (homophobic, nihilistic, hateful of technology and humans as a whole, deeply misanthropic, etc) but his work goes deeper than villains.
+DaiReds this videos purpose is to illustrate once more the connections between bloodbornes artistic style and h.p. lovecraft. the story he reads is btw from hp lovecraft and it is indeed very similar to the fishing village at the end of the dlc. its a homage
DaiReds The amount of work to make this is outstanding, the way it's made is very high quality, including beautiful pans and the likes that just make you realise how good Bloodborne looks
+fungo This is a cool story bro, I read H.p. lovecraft novels too. You got all the parts of the story right in the shadow over innsmouth except the shoggoth but no prob because theres not much concern about the thing :) Still its a great video, now the story of the old hunters made sense now :)
Well, I´ve just read the Shadow over Innsmouth, and made me realised just how magnificent this video really is. I already liked it before, but now it´s probably become one of my favorite Bloodborne videos at all. Good work.
I'm glad you make these. I enjoyed the game/DLC without understanding lore, but getting your perspective reveals what a masterpiece this game really is.
In general, all of Yharnam is some adaptation of Shadow over Innsmouth. *SPOILER ALERT* --Deformed citizens (fish people > werewolves, mushroom heads, wendigos, fish people again) --Horrific reason for their transformation (making a deal with god-like beings > tainted blood and making deals with Great Ones) --Liaisons between eldritch gods and foolish, greedy humans (Captain Marsh > Byrgenwerth and the Healing Church) --Plot device in the form of some outsider who hates being there but kindly gives some information (that grocer kid > Gilbert, Alfred if you squint) --Other plot device who also hates being there but gives you even more information (that drunk dude > Djura, Eileen, Gehrman, etc.) --Heart pounding escape from that hellhole (the entire fucking game + Sunrise ending) --Surprise twist where you're actually an integral part of the problem (dude finds out he's gonna be another fish person, albeit fish royalty > Honoring Wishes + Childhood's Beginning) --Cults as far as the eye can see (Don't need to elaborate on this, right?) --Massive catastrophe that changes a lot of thing (those frogmen coming out of the ocean to fuck everyone's shit up and keep the sacrifices coming > Old Yharnam fire, though the government intervention at the end might fit better here, and the raid on the Fishing Hamlet) These are the ones I can think off the top of my head for the time being. With that being said, I'm gonna boot up my game again and go look for that underwater city holy fuck
Lizard Wizard The reason why I say Dunwich Horror is because the main monster was a human-eldritch abomination hybrid, just like the Orphan of Kos. Actually, the Pthumerians are the Great Race of Yith minus the body horror.
linearman0245 ah yeah I see what you mean with that. but I only think thiere the grate race of yith because of the cone like body, body horror, possibly those apadeges that cover her face. But I don't think that kos is at all a hybirde. it may be full out greate one as its probably what gave the genes for all those mer maid things. (You can't have the great race of yith without the body horror) Actualy I think the Lurking Fear Might fit the Pthumerians. (Humanoid, under ground dwellers, Possibly canabalistic by the wendigo like apirence they have, and also vampires when you think about it are canabalistic)
I actually decided to read The Shadow Over Innsmouth after watching this! It was awesome and I'm going to be reading more by Lovecraft. Thank you for the suggestion and the amazing videos, keep up the good work!
When the DLC was announced with no real info given while back, I wanted an Innsmouth dlc. Take place in a bloodbourne version of Innsmouth and BAM I got what I wanted. I always loved the Innsmouth story and Fishing Hamlet gave me it. I hope for another dlc, at least, over something else of Lovecraft. I wonder what story though. Also, Merry Christmas Fungo. Grant you eyes.
Shoggoth was not a deity. They aren't even deserving of worship. They're programmable, globular organisms designed by the Elder Things through superior alien science. Shoggoths (plural) are but guard dogs which the Deep Ones likely had an allegiance with, and very likely controlled one. The Order of Dagon, as their title suggests, worships Dagon, and by extension, Hydra and Great Cthulhu. It is also suspected that the Innsmouth folk were disfigured through constant inbreeding, that's before their true nature is revealed. Lovecraft being particularly xenophobic, was not keen on mixed blood and impurity. The Innsmouth 'look', and monstrous half-breeds in a dilapidated sea-town speaks volumes about his insecurities.
Lovecraft was definitely a mixed bag. His racism is indisputable, but he was more than that. His xenophobia ran to such an extent that even the poor and uneducated whites in America were deserving of his contempt, like the Shadow Over Innsmouth, The Dunwich Horror and The Picture in the House. He seemed to have particularly negative feelings towards the Dutch, as they're often depicted as degenerates in his writings, such as The Lurking Fear. Basically he despised anything that wasn't white, Anglo-Saxon protestant from an affluent and educated background. In other words, anything that wasn't him. And yet in spite of all of this, the only woman he ever married was a Jew. Go figure.
@@colossaltitan3546 ...m'kay. Are you adding something to what I wrote? Are you rebuking something I wrote? I have no idea what you expect me to do with what you've laid down outside of a conversational circle jerk where I say he's racist, you agree with me that he's racist and I congratulate you for agreeing with me that he's racist. That's not the conversation I'm interested in having.
@@josh420masterB I'm just saying that that could've been a quicker way to put it, I mean sure, what you've said is correct. It's just that that's how I generally would describe him.
@@josh420masterB I think calling a writer racist just because of the villains in their stories is a big stretch. That has most to do with the cultural issues at the time and the problems that happened around him. Its not conscious or ill intent. Is like saying Rockys director is racist against russians even though he came up with that movie on the midst of the Cold War. Having a jewish wife really debunks every accusation, since someone thats racist (meaning they hate and feel disgust for another race) would be completely unable to even entertain the notion of being with someone whose not of his own race. Stop using modern politics to explain the mindset of someone that lived decades ago. Its naive, superficial and dumb
I know I am late but the newest discovery of this comparison between the DLC and Lovecrafts work is beautiful. Bloodborne is such an amazingly crafted game and I thank you for sharing this knowledge with me.
Dagon isn’t a great old one in the original Lovecraft tales, it’s just the name of the story. The creature is a being of some ancient fish race, likely the spawn of an actual fish God, but certainly not a God itself. The story of Dagon was essentially an earlier draft of “The Call of Cthulhu”.
@@isocitrate189 Some say, that the Dagon is actually how most of the people reffer to Cthulhu while not knowing his name, as Dagon is the most similiar god to Cthulhu. Maybe in case of Innsmouth, Dagon name was used instead of Cthulh instead of Cthulhu, because it was easier to spell, or simply the people who worshipped Cthulhu AKA Dagon before Innsmouth didn't told the name, or didn't knew it as well.
New theory: The snail-mermaid women creatures that somewhat resemble Kos are minions of Kos herself, that were all fished out perhaps intentionally, along with those little slugs. It would explain why there are some of them caught within the nets. This lead to the discovery of Kos, as well as an agreement to cross-breeding in exchange for knowledge. The fishermen and kin mate, creating advanced hybrids, while also slowly taking on the forms of fish-frog creatures. Either that, or the tide rolled in through the caverns and into the netting grounds, bringing in heaps of slugs and snails. I predict this because the nets themselves appear to be pinned onto the walls, so it's likely that the slugs and snail women came to them. OR the folk of the hamlet would sacrifice humans to the minions or Kos herself,casting their bodies out to sea on drifting rafts, in trade for slugs that I Imagine would serve as oil to lamps? You can find some of them acting as candles, suggesting they're flammable.
One thing for anyone should know about this is that from software explicitly show the relationship of the people to the sea as different than in the original story the story was written by hp lovecraft bc he was a incredibly racist that was far even by 1920s standards, the whole story was written as a way to show fears over miscegenation. In bloodborne the people’s connection to the sea in the fishing hamlet is beneficial and no harm is coming from it they have peaceful lives and are of harm to none and it is those who come from outside and kill those of the fishing hamlet are in the wrong for their standards of what is right. It’s just kinda nice to see lovecraft not just being given a pass because people “were racist back then” instead it’s challenged by showing it from the view of the hamlet where you can see who is actually in the wrong
Actually relationship between Fishing Hamlet and sea is not told. Maybe they captured people from neighboring settelements and sacrificed them to Kos? It is told how it ended (violently by external source) and how Kos reacted to it (revenge by spawning a mocking killer) so it is all unclear. Maybe Hunters of Bürgenwerth were right to destroy Fishing Hamlet. Maybe it was a huge misunderstanding as inhabitants of Fishing Hamlet clearly had some kind of mutual agreement with Great Ones while Healing Church and Bürgenwerth used them as sources of power. What exactly was reason is unknown, but end result is known: Fishing Hamlet's occupants killed by Hunters and Kos was stranded there.
@@vksasdgaming9472 it is stated that the fishing hamlet used to be peaceful, and that the inhabitants used Kos' parasites for their versatile properties (candles that never burn out lmao among others of course) and worshipped her, they were very grateful. They dedicated themselves to cultivate the parasites and that's how they eventually transformed to resemble Kos' nature more.
I also like how the story turns the source material around on its head, in small but not less important ways (sympathetic yharnamites, implications that some beasts just want to be left alone, background stories that give important characters huge, complex development rather than just "human bad", etc). It's a twist that fits, both in style and ambiance, they did a pretty fucking good job on this game all around.
The reason i bought Bloodborne was becasue my friend told me it was lovecraft inspired. and im a HUGE fan of lovecraft so i jumped on that game. needless to say, I WAS AMAZED AT FISHING HAMLET BECAUSE SHADOW OVER INNMOUTH IS MY FAVORITE LOVECRAFT STORY
Fungo, you should look back at the beggar, the beast embrace rune, the harrowed head, abhorrent beast! Beast embrace fur looks like the abhorrent beast, the beggar can be as human as he wants because he still remembers the rune, maybe he was a harrowed beast hunter and so he eventually became a beast, more specifically, a abhorrent beast! Look into it
I thought the brain of mensis was a shoggoth as described by H.P. Lovecraft: It was a terrible, indescribable thing vaster than any subway train-a shapeless congeries of protoplasmic bubbles, faintly self-luminous, and with myriads of temporary eyes forming and un-forming as pustules of greenish light all over the tunnel-filling front that bore down upon us, crushing the frantic penguins and slithering over the glistening floor that it and its kind had swept so evilly free of all litter. - H. P. Lovecraft, At the Mountains of Madness it pules with light, has eyes (bubbles), and causes frenzy (madness). i took Kos for a From Software design or possible mother hydra.
this video has been VERY well presented. Especially at the first half where you demonstrated the synopsis of the story with visual clues and similarities between the book and the game's setting. Kinda like yer saying "See the similarities?" without saying it.
You're channel is very good, I beat The Old Hunters recently, and immediately came to your channel and watched all the lore videos, which only deepened my love and fascination with this game. Thanks for all the cool lore vids and what not, you must put a ton of effort into these.
Does anyone think that the Orphan of Kos might actually be a Parody of the hunters? i mean it kind of makes sense, Fast agile movements and wide-spread area attacks similiar to fire arms and arcane magic, its weapon the placenta line with eyes actually kind of looks almost like a Hunter Weapon. Could it be that Kos birthed the Orphan to 'Hunt' and slaughter the Hunters by creating something similiar? It would actually kind of explain why they used the Cries of Gehrman for the Orphan in the first place.
Perhaps Gehrman himself was involved in the violation of Fishing Hamlet and the Killing of Kos. Could he be the one that personally slaughtered Kos? Is that why the Orphans cries resembles his?
+Alvin Rinaldo Perhaps Gehrman made sweet love to Kos before it was slaughtered and that's the way he got the Umbilical Cord that was in the workshop and why the Orphan sounds like Gehrman
+Alvin Rinaldo What if it is a parody of Gehrman? The blade isthe burial blade. The wings are his cape. Gehrman personally took out the unformed yet child from Kos' womb. And how incomplete the child was, the same way the image of Gehrman is incomplete. Why Gehrman? Well, you know, if you are a newly born child and the first thing you see is a hunter that killed your mother and gave you to Byrgenwerth scholars who made sinister experiments on you. So with the powers of the Great One you create a Nightmare for your offenders. That's why Orphan of Kos in Nightmare is unformed Gehrman, but with all the powers of the Great One.
This game made me go and buy the H.P. Lovecraft books and i was not disappointed. I love how Miyazaki recreated so much of his stories into a souls formula, will always be one of the greatest games of all time. Ive beat bloodborne in its entirety so many times every inch of the game is amazing to me
The city in the Sea is actually Yharnam, we know this for a fact because when we go to get the whirligig saw one of the snail women falls from the sky. This is because, ultimately, the cosmos is a "sea" that connects dreams and "reality," ever wonder why there were boats in the nightmare frontier? "A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea. SOURCE of all greatness, ALL THINGS THAT BE"
Madest man Thank you for commenting this... The snail chick that falls from the sky when your heading toward Ludwig? Yeah, when I saw the city in the water I had no doubt that it was Yharnam.
Exactly! Although Fungo meant more that the fact that the hunters nightmare is placed as it is is because the inspiration derived from the Innsmouth story. I dont think he meant that the city under water is the home of Mother Kos
When I first stumbled upon your channel I thought this is not gonna be worth my while.. but boi oh BOI was I wrong.. Bottom line is that i love your content now. Keep it up brother
Really awesome. Two things to note are in the nightmare that city under water is yharnam, and from what I remember the two nightmares and school also above. (remember you can see the ship wrecks from the nightmares so they may be above.) I read some lore about it but I don't remember precisely how it all worked... Great video!
Great Video! I love the videos where you compare Lovecraft inspiration with Bloodbornes areas. FromSoft knows what theyre doing, almost setting the game in Lovecrafts universe. Almost like it is, just not tied into the other great ones mentioned by Lovecraft. Really cool.
the sunken city at the hamlet is the dream level of yharnam in the dlc. on the way to pick up the saw, one of those fish creatures fall from above and dies.
If you walk around Fishing Hamlet between the doors with over 60 insight you hear the locals cursing and say weird stuff using Kos name.which is a great one
I took the "sun" as someones pupil/iris. I mean you go into the hunters nightmare by receiving a bloodied eye. Kinda of a literal representation of being in someones mind.
that was awesome. And i really apreciate that you didnt talk about the last chapter. I got a Lovecraft compilation after playing bloodborne, and still havent read all of it.
+Angel Revuelta I'm seriously contemplating doing the same thing. I have never read any Lovecraft, but after playing Bloodborne my curiosity was peaked. I saw a compilation of his works the other day at the store and almost bought it.
+Jac the Sipper I gota huge compilation, its cool, but too big and really uncomfortable to read. Thats why i still havent read it whole. Before Bloodborne i only read some short stories and i like em, but not related to the game though.
Yeah, that's my main turn off. I know the stories are really interesting from reading summaries and whatnot, but they're so old that it's almost like reading the bible or something. I'll get around to it eventually.
+Jac the Sipper Well, I already read it and i really recomend it to you. First you should read The call of the Chullu (wich is more related to Bloodborne in general) and second The shadow over Innsmouth (wich is this video) The second one makes some reference to the first so thats why i recommend that order. Then, the ending of this video goes beyond what I´ve read, so i still dont know about that.
Really, really lovely video, Fungo, but I have a few small corrections to make regarding Lovecraftian lore... *adjusts glasses* in the Shadow Over Innsmouth, the deity the locals (and even the Deep Ones, the fish-frog people) worshiped was Dagon, hence the Order of Dagon. The same creature, a giant being that resembles the Deep Ones, originated in Lovecraft's short story that bears its name, a story that was the prototype for Call of Cthulhu. Meanwhile, shoggoths are a type of creature in the Lovecraft mythos, not a single entity, and are monstrous, amorphous masses of protoplasm created to be servants by a long-extinct race and later escaped their controlled and annihilated what remained of their former masters. The inference from Zadok's talk of a shoggoth is that the Deep Ones have one or more either in their ranks or at their disposal, and that they are part of their machinations for any potential takeover of the surface world. Sorry for the rant, I just had to get that off my chest.
Man i'd rather wait a month for another video like that ! so goood ! the music was awesome and the story was just wooow ! and that epicnamebro part hahahahaha
the place under the water is actually said to be yharnam and thats why in the beginning of the dlc one of the slug like creatures in the hamlet drops down onto you in nightmare cathedral ward (which is in yharnan)
It should be noted that H.P. Lovecraft‘s Work is in the Public Domain and it can easily be read or even listened to online for free. I decided to listen to it here on TH-cam and look up a Map of Innsmouth because there’s a lot of street names and whatnot describing the town as the narrator explores it.
You were wrong on one detail but it's a pretty important one. The innsfolk worshiped Dagon, hence "The Esoteric Order of Dagon". The shoggoths are basically mindless, shapeshifting beasts and there are more than one. Also, I'm pretty sure the underwater city is supposed to be Yarnham/The Hunters Nightmare considering you are right above it.
The city you see underwater is warped Yharnam from Hunter's Nightmare, as Hamlet's located/projected directly above it. It's confirmed by the little scene where one of snail women falls from the sky near the area where you find Whirling Saw. I bet someone mentioned it already, though, the video being month old and all.
The city under the lake is supposed to be Yharnam. This is because the nightmares are present in layers. For example, you can see the ship masts in the fishing hamlet from the nightmare frontier
+Donny Smith ! Thanks, I worked tirelessly on this video for a week building up a character to be strong enough to get through the DLC and beat Kos and the game, clearing out areas to record, writing and researching Lovecraft books and lore, finding artist interpretations, pronunciations, making rewrites, and editing including going through and inserting relevant horror SFX and music for added effect. I am very pleased with how it turned out.
+fungo I was going to ask because no immediate comments seem to have answers and I don't think your description does, can you give off the names of the specific songs you used? They sounded really nice but I just can't put my finger on what they actually are.
Wow the last arc of Berserk's manga (starts with "elf island") is very similar to that story, Miura must have been inspired by that story from Lovecraft. Good video ;)
There is no god called "Shoggoth" in Lovecraft's work or even in Shadow over Innsmouth. Shoggoths are a race of slave creatures, and "Father" Dagon is the god that the people of Innsmouth worship.
playing bloodborne after reading some of Lovecraft's work is like playing dark souls after reading Berserk: noticing the similarities and inspirations the game took is fun, and gives a more in depth understanding of what some bosses took from.
There's also that game, Call of Chtulu - Dark Corners of the Earth, that represents in a clunky and buggy but functional way the town of the book.
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There's a movie called Dagon that relates to this story. I have a friend that acted there. It's not a great movie, but it was made in a beautiful town in Spain that suited perfectly the story.
What I expected: an intriguing video describing a possible discovery of hidden lore in Bloodborne What I got: an audio book for H.P. Lovecraft's 'The Shadow over Innsmouth' Not even mad. ;)
Hey, Fungo! The sun in the DLC, don't you think it reminds the eye from the item Eye of a Blood-Drunk Hunter? Like, you're inside of it? I don't know if it means anything, but eyes seem to be a very important subject in Bloodborne lore.
+ShufflingShoggoth Something to note, though. The people of Innsmouth did not worship a shoggoth, nor did the shoggoth build or rule Y'ha-nthlei. The people of Innsmouth were members of the Esotetic Order of Dagon, which worshiped the progenitors of the Deep Ones, Father Dagon and Mother Hydra, and possibly Cthulhu by extension. Shoggoths were actually slave-labor bio-engineered by the Elder Things, who eventually rebelled against and eradicated their creators, only to go on mindlessly maintaining and guarding their ruined cities in their absence.
Fungo fungo fungo! Those aren't fish, those are baby great ones! Zoom in and you'll see that they're the same slugs you become in the Childhood's beginning ending.
All i'll say buddy is the underground city, could be the nightmare - the snail woman that flies out of the sky near the whirligig saw. So there is an underwater city, but yeah. Excellent content.
+Leon Buckmaster Like the story of Innsmouth, the Hunter's Nightmare could symbolize the island before it sank into the sea judging from where the astral clocktower is positioned and the fact that the clock seems to be transgressing though time before you enter it. Fairly entertaining speculation.
+fungo definitely man, I've had other people note a spiritual affinity between the story and this concept and love your delivery. In the video you didn't directly reference that it hints of 'something above' early in the nightmare with snail lady. Not disputing just highlighting that little moment. Something I would say is the nightmare doesn't have gold and fish, but it has Its own treasures, if you're a strength build haha.
Okay, first a Shoggoth is a race of creatures that perpetually mutates and transforms into a new shape for it's specific environment. It can eat anything, almost impossible to kill and would be a wondrous nightmare to fight in bloodborne or bloodborne 2 if that would ever happen. The creatures the Innsmouth worship are called Deep Ones, which you were spot on, while the greater god that they overall worshiped was named Dagon. Which was the father of all these fish creatures in the story. Besides that, you're spot on.
Isn't the city in the water The Hunters Nightmare itself? Isn't it proven that the whole nightmare realms work in layers and that city under the water is the buildings of nightmare yharnam. This is proven when that snail mermaids creature falls threw one of the layers beside the whirligig saw making it out of place for that specific area of the game.
Okay so what must have happened is a bergenworth student investigated the fishing hamlet and then reported back and sent the hunters, and the hunters killed the villagers and kos (or some say kosm)
to me the most interesting part is that bloodborne makes the "monsters" sympathetic, they were violated by byrgenwerth, they were the real monsters. in lovecrafts story, the evil are the fish people and wiping them out is a good thing.
@@ForkknifeBattlePass i mean have u seen his cat?
Not surprising since Lovecraft was very racist. I wouldn't expect him to write deep villains.
@@pjishomo Urhh you people are plague.... stop typing "RaCisM" in videogame lore videos ffs
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Are you trolling or just dumb ?
@@pjishomo Lovecraft wasn't about writting villains, it was about showing humanity is pathetic and insignificant and unable to comprehend superior knowledge. The fish people were just another allegory of this, a group of humans who tried to obtain knowledge far beyond their own and couldn't handle it.
Not denying Lovecraft was racist (again, his CAT), among tons of other awful things (homophobic, nihilistic, hateful of technology and humans as a whole, deeply misanthropic, etc) but his work goes deeper than villains.
this game is so deep with amazing lore ... good job as always
Its sooooo fucking deep man. I fell into it but luckily I managed to avoid drowning (:
+Sir Gus the Mighty i was'nt as lucky as you.. i'm totally absorbed by the game...
+Sir Gus the Mighty pause
@HicksZ34 you've finally found the Eldritch Truth, eh? 😊
@@buffoonustroglodytus4688 wait till you discover dark souls
The cinematography, editing and writing on this particular video is ridiculously good! Honestly one of my favourite TH-cam videos
+Bullet Bill Really? It felt silly at most.
+DaiReds this videos purpose is to illustrate once more the connections between bloodbornes artistic style and h.p. lovecraft. the story he reads is btw from hp lovecraft and it is indeed very similar to the fishing village at the end of the dlc. its a homage
DaiReds The amount of work to make this is outstanding, the way it's made is very high quality, including beautiful pans and the likes that just make you realise how good Bloodborne looks
+DaiReds
what
The whole game can be understood more by knowing about the Cthulhu Mythos.
The incomprehensible speach at the end.. it's... I can't make out any word out of it...is that a Great One's voice? it's... AAAAAHHHHHGGGHHH *FRENZY*
+FirstName LastName My impersonation of Zadok. But ya'll better be careful. Cuz, who-loo's gonna getchyu? Cthulhu's gonna getchyu. Cuzhulhu's gonna getchyu-loo. lol
***** Oh my god! Fungo replied to my comment! First the video, and now the reply! My day keeps getting better and better!
+FirstName LastName Happy Holidays!!!
***** Merry Kosmas!
+fungo This is a cool story bro, I read H.p. lovecraft novels too. You got all the parts of the story right in the shadow over innsmouth except the shoggoth but no prob because theres not much concern about the thing :)
Still its a great video, now the story of the old hunters made sense now :)
Man I'd love an entire game based on the theme and style of the fishing hamlet
Your wish is granted, look for The Sinking City
I would too
Well, I´ve just read the Shadow over Innsmouth, and made me realised just how magnificent this video really is. I already liked it before, but now it´s probably become one of my favorite Bloodborne videos at all. Good work.
I'm glad you make these. I enjoyed the game/DLC without understanding lore, but getting your perspective reveals what a masterpiece this game really is.
In general, all of Yharnam is some adaptation of Shadow over Innsmouth.
*SPOILER ALERT*
--Deformed citizens (fish people > werewolves, mushroom heads, wendigos, fish people again)
--Horrific reason for their transformation (making a deal with god-like beings > tainted blood and making deals with Great Ones)
--Liaisons between eldritch gods and foolish, greedy humans (Captain Marsh > Byrgenwerth and the Healing Church)
--Plot device in the form of some outsider who hates being there but kindly gives some information (that grocer kid > Gilbert, Alfred if you squint)
--Other plot device who also hates being there but gives you even more information (that drunk dude > Djura, Eileen, Gehrman, etc.)
--Heart pounding escape from that hellhole (the entire fucking game + Sunrise ending)
--Surprise twist where you're actually an integral part of the problem (dude finds out he's gonna be another fish person, albeit fish royalty > Honoring Wishes + Childhood's Beginning)
--Cults as far as the eye can see (Don't need to elaborate on this, right?)
--Massive catastrophe that changes a lot of thing (those frogmen coming out of the ocean to fuck everyone's shit up and keep the sacrifices coming > Old Yharnam fire, though the government intervention at the end might fit better here, and the raid on the Fishing Hamlet)
These are the ones I can think off the top of my head for the time being. With that being said, I'm gonna boot up my game again and go look for that underwater city holy fuck
+Amanda On Yup. This time they decided to go all out and make Innsmouth.
+fungo
The Orphan of Kos arguably seems like a shoutout to the Dunwich Horror.
+linearman0245 I don't know why but its body kinda reminds me of the great race of yith. but I'm probably off on that one
Lizard Wizard
The reason why I say Dunwich Horror is because the main monster was a human-eldritch abomination hybrid, just like the Orphan of Kos.
Actually, the Pthumerians are the Great Race of Yith minus the body horror.
linearman0245 ah yeah I see what you mean with that. but I only think thiere the grate race of yith because of the cone like body, body horror, possibly those apadeges that cover her face. But I don't think that kos is at all a hybirde. it may be full out greate one as its probably what gave the genes for all those mer maid things.
(You can't have the great race of yith without the body horror)
Actualy I think the Lurking Fear Might fit the Pthumerians. (Humanoid, under ground dwellers, Possibly canabalistic by the wendigo like apirence they have, and also vampires when you think about it are canabalistic)
I know this is like 3 years old, but its damn good video. Been playing through Bloodborne again, and came across your channel. It's great!
I actually decided to read The Shadow Over Innsmouth after watching this! It was awesome and I'm going to be reading more by Lovecraft. Thank you for the suggestion and the amazing videos, keep up the good work!
These are great, I love your comparisons to Lovecraft and your analysis on how its themes are mirrored in BB. Keep up the great work :)
When the DLC was announced with no real info given while back, I wanted an Innsmouth dlc. Take place in a bloodbourne version of Innsmouth and BAM I got what I wanted. I always loved the Innsmouth story and Fishing Hamlet gave me it. I hope for another dlc, at least, over something else of Lovecraft. I wonder what story though.
Also, Merry Christmas Fungo. Grant you eyes.
don't hold your breath, FROM says that they are done with BB dlc.
Shoggoth was not a deity. They aren't even deserving of worship. They're programmable, globular organisms designed by the Elder Things through superior alien science.
Shoggoths (plural) are but guard dogs which the Deep Ones likely had an allegiance with, and very likely controlled one.
The Order of Dagon, as their title suggests, worships Dagon, and by extension, Hydra and Great Cthulhu.
It is also suspected that the Innsmouth folk were disfigured through constant inbreeding, that's before their true nature is revealed. Lovecraft being particularly xenophobic, was not keen on mixed blood and impurity. The Innsmouth 'look', and monstrous half-breeds in a dilapidated sea-town speaks volumes about his insecurities.
Lovecraft was definitely a mixed bag. His racism is indisputable, but he was more than that. His xenophobia ran to such an extent that even the poor and uneducated whites in America were deserving of his contempt, like the Shadow Over Innsmouth, The Dunwich Horror and The Picture in the House. He seemed to have particularly negative feelings towards the Dutch, as they're often depicted as degenerates in his writings, such as The Lurking Fear. Basically he despised anything that wasn't white, Anglo-Saxon protestant from an affluent and educated background. In other words, anything that wasn't him.
And yet in spite of all of this, the only woman he ever married was a Jew. Go figure.
@@josh420masterB I think Lovecraft was basically a white supremacist
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...m'kay.
Are you adding something to what I wrote? Are you rebuking something I wrote?
I have no idea what you expect me to do with what you've laid down outside of a conversational circle jerk where I say he's racist, you agree with me that he's racist and I congratulate you for agreeing with me that he's racist.
That's not the conversation I'm interested in having.
@@josh420masterB I'm just saying that that could've been a quicker way to put it, I mean sure, what you've said is correct. It's just that that's how I generally would describe him.
@@josh420masterB I think calling a writer racist just because of the villains in their stories is a big stretch. That has most to do with the cultural issues at the time and the problems that happened around him. Its not conscious or ill intent. Is like saying Rockys director is racist against russians even though he came up with that movie on the midst of the Cold War. Having a jewish wife really debunks every accusation, since someone thats racist (meaning they hate and feel disgust for another race) would be completely unable to even entertain the notion of being with someone whose not of his own race.
Stop using modern politics to explain the mindset of someone that lived decades ago. Its naive, superficial and dumb
wow, this is just empressive,
man, i'm speachless
awesme work, this is trully a masterpiece
I know I am late but the newest discovery of this comparison between the DLC and Lovecrafts work is beautiful. Bloodborne is such an amazingly crafted game and I thank you for sharing this knowledge with me.
actually Shoggoths don't control the underwater city, Dagon does.
Shoggoths are more like beasts, Dagon is the Great Old One who actually is in power. It irked me when he got it wrong.
Dagon isn’t a great old one in the original Lovecraft tales, it’s just the name of the story. The creature is a being of some ancient fish race, likely the spawn of an actual fish God, but certainly not a God itself. The story of Dagon was essentially an earlier draft of “The Call of Cthulhu”.
@@isocitrate189 Some say, that the Dagon is actually how most of the people reffer to Cthulhu while not knowing his name, as Dagon is the most similiar god to Cthulhu. Maybe in case of Innsmouth, Dagon name was used instead of Cthulh instead of Cthulhu, because it was easier to spell, or simply the people who worshipped Cthulhu AKA Dagon before Innsmouth didn't told the name, or didn't knew it as well.
New theory: The snail-mermaid women creatures that somewhat resemble Kos are minions of Kos herself, that were all fished out perhaps intentionally, along with those little slugs. It would explain why there are some of them caught within the nets. This lead to the discovery of Kos, as well as an agreement to cross-breeding in exchange for knowledge. The fishermen and kin mate, creating advanced hybrids, while also slowly taking on the forms of fish-frog creatures. Either that, or the tide rolled in through the caverns and into the netting grounds, bringing in heaps of slugs and snails. I predict this because the nets themselves appear to be pinned onto the walls, so it's likely that the slugs and snail women came to them. OR the folk of the hamlet would sacrifice humans to the minions or Kos herself,casting their bodies out to sea on drifting rafts, in trade for slugs that I Imagine would serve as oil to lamps? You can find some of them acting as candles, suggesting they're flammable.
I'm only 1:50 in but this video is epic. Good effort on this format and narrative.
One thing for anyone should know about this is that from software explicitly show the relationship of the people to the sea as different than in the original story the story was written by hp lovecraft bc he was a incredibly racist that was far even by 1920s standards, the whole story was written as a way to show fears over miscegenation. In bloodborne the people’s connection to the sea in the fishing hamlet is beneficial and no harm is coming from it they have peaceful lives and are of harm to none and it is those who come from outside and kill those of the fishing hamlet are in the wrong for their standards of what is right. It’s just kinda nice to see lovecraft not just being given a pass because people “were racist back then” instead it’s challenged by showing it from the view of the hamlet where you can see who is actually in the wrong
Actually relationship between Fishing Hamlet and sea is not told. Maybe they captured people from neighboring settelements and sacrificed them to Kos? It is told how it ended (violently by external source) and how Kos reacted to it (revenge by spawning a mocking killer) so it is all unclear. Maybe Hunters of Bürgenwerth were right to destroy Fishing Hamlet. Maybe it was a huge misunderstanding as inhabitants of Fishing Hamlet clearly had some kind of mutual agreement with Great Ones while Healing Church and Bürgenwerth used them as sources of power. What exactly was reason is unknown, but end result is known: Fishing Hamlet's occupants killed by Hunters and Kos was stranded there.
@@vksasdgaming9472 it is stated that the fishing hamlet used to be peaceful, and that the inhabitants used Kos' parasites for their versatile properties (candles that never burn out lmao among others of course) and worshipped her, they were very grateful. They dedicated themselves to cultivate the parasites and that's how they eventually transformed to resemble Kos' nature more.
I also like how the story turns the source material around on its head, in small but not less important ways (sympathetic yharnamites, implications that some beasts just want to be left alone, background stories that give important characters huge, complex development rather than just "human bad", etc). It's a twist that fits, both in style and ambiance, they did a pretty fucking good job on this game all around.
The reason i bought Bloodborne was becasue my friend told me it was lovecraft inspired. and im a HUGE fan of lovecraft so i jumped on that game. needless to say, I WAS AMAZED AT FISHING HAMLET BECAUSE SHADOW OVER INNMOUTH IS MY FAVORITE LOVECRAFT STORY
Fungo, you should look back at the beggar, the beast embrace rune, the harrowed head, abhorrent beast! Beast embrace fur looks like the abhorrent beast, the beggar can be as human as he wants because he still remembers the rune, maybe he was a harrowed beast hunter and so he eventually became a beast, more specifically, a abhorrent beast! Look into it
Thats easy , he's just a church hunter.
The craftsmanship in this video is off the charts. Absolutely awesome!!
I thought the brain of mensis was a shoggoth as described by H.P. Lovecraft:
It was a terrible, indescribable thing vaster than any subway train-a
shapeless congeries of protoplasmic bubbles, faintly self-luminous, and
with myriads of temporary eyes forming and un-forming as pustules of
greenish light all over the tunnel-filling front that bore down upon us,
crushing the frantic penguins and slithering over the glistening floor
that it and its kind had swept so evilly free of all litter.
- H. P. Lovecraft, At the Mountains of Madness
it pules with light, has eyes (bubbles), and causes frenzy (madness). i took Kos for a From Software design or possible mother hydra.
It’s true they totally ripped off shadow over innsmouth, but they did it so amazingly well. It fits perfectly with the Bloodborne universe
i instantly made the connection of fishing hamlet to shadow over innsmouth. nice catch dude!
this video has been VERY well presented.
Especially at the first half where you demonstrated the synopsis of the story with visual clues and similarities between the book and the game's setting.
Kinda like yer saying "See the similarities?" without saying it.
You're channel is very good, I beat The Old Hunters recently, and immediately came to your channel and watched all the lore videos, which only deepened my love and fascination with this game. Thanks for all the cool lore vids and what not, you must put a ton of effort into these.
Great take on the lore, we really needed someone with the Lovecraft knowledge to delve into these secrets.
This has to be one of the best Bloodborne lore videos I've ever seen, not even joking.
Does anyone think that the Orphan of Kos might actually be a Parody of the hunters? i mean it kind of makes sense, Fast agile movements and wide-spread area attacks similiar to fire arms and arcane magic, its weapon the placenta line with eyes actually kind of looks almost like a Hunter Weapon. Could it be that Kos birthed the Orphan to 'Hunt' and slaughter the Hunters by creating something similiar?
It would actually kind of explain why they used the Cries of Gehrman for the Orphan in the first place.
Perhaps Gehrman himself was involved in the violation of Fishing Hamlet and the Killing of Kos. Could he be the one that personally slaughtered Kos? Is that why the Orphans cries resembles his?
+Alvin Rinaldo Perhaps Gehrman made sweet love to Kos before it was slaughtered and that's the way he got the Umbilical Cord that was in the workshop and why the Orphan sounds like Gehrman
+Alvin Rinaldo What if it is a parody of Gehrman? The blade isthe burial blade. The wings are his cape. Gehrman personally took out the unformed yet child from Kos' womb. And how incomplete the child was, the same way the image of Gehrman is incomplete. Why Gehrman? Well, you know, if you are a newly born child and the first thing you see is a hunter that killed your mother and gave you to Byrgenwerth scholars who made sinister experiments on you. So with the powers of the Great One you create a Nightmare for your offenders. That's why Orphan of Kos in Nightmare is unformed Gehrman, but with all the powers of the Great One.
One Cheeky Sod OH! Yeah! That would be VERY interesting indeed!
+One Cheeky Sod When you think about it, It would explain almost PERFECTLY why theres an Umbilical Cord INSIDE the Old Hunters Workshop!
Duuude I love this video, it was a pretty creative way to narrate the story. Keep up the great work.
Okay, now you HAVE to do an actual reading of Shadow Over Innsmouth while acting it out with Bloodborne! Because this is just too good! :P
This game made me go and buy the H.P. Lovecraft books and i was not disappointed. I love how Miyazaki recreated so much of his stories into a souls formula, will always be one of the greatest games of all time. Ive beat bloodborne in its entirety so many times every inch of the game is amazing to me
This video is fantastic. Great job Fungo!
I really enjoyed your interpretation of the Fishing Hamlet lore! This video was awesome.
The city in the Sea is actually Yharnam, we know this for a fact because when we go to get the whirligig saw one of the snail women falls from the sky.
This is because, ultimately, the cosmos is a "sea" that connects dreams and "reality," ever wonder why there were boats in the nightmare frontier?
"A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea.
SOURCE of all greatness, ALL THINGS THAT BE"
Sergei Ivanovich Mosin the sky and cosmos are one, The Choir
Im pretty sure that city at the bottom of the sea is the hunters nightmare, seeing how the fishing hamlet is above the nightmare.
Madest man Thank you for commenting this... The snail chick that falls from the sky when your heading toward Ludwig? Yeah, when I saw the city in the water I had no doubt that it was Yharnam.
Exactly! Although Fungo meant more that the fact that the hunters nightmare is placed as it is is because the inspiration derived from the Innsmouth story. I dont think he meant that the city under water is the home of Mother Kos
Excellent video :) double props for the Silent Hill soundtrack I heard in there!
When I first stumbled upon your channel I thought this is not gonna be worth my while.. but boi oh BOI was I wrong..
Bottom line is that i love your content now. Keep it up brother
Really awesome. Two things to note are in the nightmare that city under water is yharnam, and from what I remember the two nightmares and school also above. (remember you can see the ship wrecks from the nightmares so they may be above.) I read some lore about it but I don't remember precisely how it all worked...
Great video!
It's beginning to look alot like Fishmen
Fungo i love your videos to death. Especially the game reviews. Keep up the great work!!!
dude...good job on the editing and everything! quality content!
Uzumaki from Itou Junji also has an effect in this area.Especially the snail women. Great lore video!
Great Video! I love the videos where you compare Lovecraft inspiration with Bloodbornes areas. FromSoft knows what theyre doing, almost setting the game in Lovecrafts universe. Almost like it is, just not tied into the other great ones mentioned by Lovecraft. Really cool.
Excellent video! I became a patron. Keep up the good work!
amazing work fungo, you should continue to do more lovecraft comperison
Thank you for making this Fungo. I think everything starts with Willem, Maria's & Gherman's sins at the Fishing Hamlet.
Wow this is your best Bloodborne video yet :)
the sunken city at the hamlet is the dream level of yharnam in the dlc. on the way to pick up the saw, one of those fish creatures fall from above and dies.
Very well done fungo! keep them coming love HP :)
"That haint even the wust of it-- Yew ever heered of a Shoggoth?"
Great story telling with that nicely edited vid. =D
awesome video as always, keep them coming please!
If you walk around Fishing Hamlet between the doors with over 60 insight you hear the locals cursing and say weird stuff using Kos name.which is a great one
Beautifully done.
Now I really want to read The Shadow Over Innismouth
I took the "sun" as someones pupil/iris. I mean you go into the hunters nightmare by receiving a bloodied eye. Kinda of a literal representation of being in someones mind.
that was awesome. And i really apreciate that you didnt talk about the last chapter. I got a Lovecraft compilation after playing bloodborne, and still havent read all of it.
+Angel Revuelta
I'm seriously contemplating doing the same thing. I have never read any Lovecraft, but after playing Bloodborne my curiosity was peaked. I saw a compilation of his works the other day at the store and almost bought it.
+Jac the Sipper I gota huge compilation, its cool, but too big and really uncomfortable to read. Thats why i still havent read it whole. Before Bloodborne i only read some short stories and i like em, but not related to the game though.
Yeah, that's my main turn off. I know the stories are really interesting from reading summaries and whatnot, but they're so old that it's almost like reading the bible or something. I'll get around to it eventually.
+Jac the Sipper Well, I already read it and i really recomend it to you. First you should read The call of the Chullu (wich is more related to Bloodborne in general) and second The shadow over Innsmouth (wich is this video) The second one makes some reference to the first so thats why i recommend that order. Then, the ending of this video goes beyond what I´ve read, so i still dont know about that.
Really, really lovely video, Fungo, but I have a few small corrections to make regarding Lovecraftian lore... *adjusts glasses* in the Shadow Over Innsmouth, the deity the locals (and even the Deep Ones, the fish-frog people) worshiped was Dagon, hence the Order of Dagon. The same creature, a giant being that resembles the Deep Ones, originated in Lovecraft's short story that bears its name, a story that was the prototype for Call of Cthulhu. Meanwhile, shoggoths are a type of creature in the Lovecraft mythos, not a single entity, and are monstrous, amorphous masses of protoplasm created to be servants by a long-extinct race and later escaped their controlled and annihilated what remained of their former masters. The inference from Zadok's talk of a shoggoth is that the Deep Ones have one or more either in their ranks or at their disposal, and that they are part of their machinations for any potential takeover of the surface world.
Sorry for the rant, I just had to get that off my chest.
Man i'd rather wait a month for another video like that ! so goood ! the music was awesome and the story was just wooow ! and that epicnamebro part hahahahaha
the place under the water is actually said to be yharnam and thats why in the beginning of the dlc one of the slug like creatures in the hamlet drops down onto you in nightmare cathedral ward (which is in yharnan)
It should be noted that H.P. Lovecraft‘s Work is in the Public Domain and it can easily be read or even listened to online for free. I decided to listen to it here on TH-cam and look up a Map of Innsmouth because there’s a lot of street names and whatnot describing the town as the narrator explores it.
This is strangely my favourite area in Bloodborne, I love the atmosphere
I read this book for my college English class. The ending has quite a surprising twist. :)
You were wrong on one detail but it's a pretty important one. The innsfolk worshiped Dagon, hence "The Esoteric Order of Dagon". The shoggoths are basically mindless, shapeshifting beasts and there are more than one. Also, I'm pretty sure the underwater city is supposed to be Yarnham/The Hunters Nightmare considering you are right above it.
Great video Fungo! :D
Just read the shadow over innsmouth and before played bloodborne, talk about two awesome experiences.
The city you see underwater is warped Yharnam from Hunter's Nightmare, as Hamlet's located/projected directly above it. It's confirmed by the little scene where one of snail women falls from the sky near the area where you find Whirling Saw.
I bet someone mentioned it already, though, the video being month old and all.
The city under the lake is supposed to be Yharnam. This is because the nightmares are present in layers. For example, you can see the ship masts in the fishing hamlet from the nightmare frontier
Nice work dude.
the best commentary on bloodborne! keep it up, and i believe ur theory on the doll is true!
+Donny Smith ! Thanks, I worked tirelessly on this video for a week building up a character to be strong enough to get through the DLC and beat Kos and the game, clearing out areas to record, writing and researching Lovecraft books and lore, finding artist interpretations, pronunciations, making rewrites, and editing including going through and inserting relevant horror SFX and music for added effect. I am very pleased with how it turned out.
+fungo wow very impressive man.. keep up the great work! you're an inspiration to work harder and harder everyday
+fungo
I was going to ask because no immediate comments seem to have answers and I don't think your description does, can you give off the names of the specific songs you used? They sounded really nice but I just can't put my finger on what they actually are.
There is something intriguing about the cursed fishing town aesthetic.
To know this was a spooky story and not a pure blood borne story, kinda makes sleeping right now a liiiil rough
Amazing video! Love the end lol
Wow the last arc of Berserk's manga (starts with "elf island") is very similar to that story, Miura must have been inspired by that story from Lovecraft. Good video ;)
There is no god called "Shoggoth" in Lovecraft's work or even in Shadow over Innsmouth. Shoggoths are a race of slave creatures, and "Father" Dagon is the god that the people of Innsmouth worship.
playing bloodborne after reading some of Lovecraft's work is like playing dark souls after reading Berserk: noticing the similarities and inspirations the game took is fun, and gives a more in depth understanding of what some bosses took from.
There's also that game, Call of Chtulu - Dark Corners of the Earth, that represents in a clunky and buggy but functional way the town of the book.
There's a movie called Dagon that relates to this story. I have a friend that acted there. It's not a great movie, but it was made in a beautiful town in Spain that suited perfectly the story.
This is prime storytelling good job
What I expected: an intriguing video describing a possible discovery of hidden lore in Bloodborne
What I got: an audio book for H.P. Lovecraft's 'The Shadow over Innsmouth'
Not even mad. ;)
Damn , this makes me wanna read some Lovecraft.
Guys now i see all. When micolash say kos give us the eyes he not pray kos but refer to the hunter in the nightmare that takes the eyes
Hey, Fungo! The sun in the DLC, don't you think it reminds the eye from the item Eye of a Blood-Drunk Hunter? Like, you're inside of it? I don't know if it means anything, but eyes seem to be a very important subject in Bloodborne lore.
We shall dive down through black abysses, and in that lair of the Deep Ones, we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.
+ShufflingShoggoth Something to note, though. The people of Innsmouth did not worship a shoggoth, nor did the shoggoth build or rule Y'ha-nthlei. The people of Innsmouth were members of the Esotetic Order of Dagon, which worshiped the progenitors of the Deep Ones, Father Dagon and Mother Hydra, and possibly Cthulhu by extension.
Shoggoths were actually slave-labor bio-engineered by the Elder Things, who eventually rebelled against and eradicated their creators, only to go on mindlessly maintaining and guarding their ruined cities in their absence.
I love Lovecraft.Its a different type of horror if done well it is truly epic
I need my hands on that damn guide.
Fungo fungo fungo! Those aren't fish, those are baby great ones! Zoom in and you'll see that they're the same slugs you become in the Childhood's beginning ending.
+Garl Vinland Oh... you were doing a thing. Never mind!!!
All i'll say buddy is the underground city, could be the nightmare - the snail woman that flies out of the sky near the whirligig saw. So there is an underwater city, but yeah. Excellent content.
+Leon Buckmaster Like the story of Innsmouth, the Hunter's Nightmare could symbolize the island before it sank into the sea judging from where the astral clocktower is positioned and the fact that the clock seems to be transgressing though time before you enter it. Fairly entertaining speculation.
+fungo definitely man, I've had other people note a spiritual affinity between the story and this concept and love your delivery. In the video you didn't directly reference that it hints of 'something above' early in the nightmare with snail lady. Not disputing just highlighting that little moment.
Something I would say is the nightmare doesn't have gold and fish, but it has Its own treasures, if you're a strength build haha.
awesome way of looking at this....thank you for putting this together....love the ending hehe ;c)
The last couple seconds are actually a drunk voicemail Gherman left on his Ex Girlfriend Maria's answering machine.
Jesus Christ...
I had some Lovecraft works. I think I still do. Should read them again.
Your videos are amazing
Okay, first a Shoggoth is a race of creatures that perpetually mutates and transforms into a new shape for it's specific environment. It can eat anything, almost impossible to kill and would be a wondrous nightmare to fight in bloodborne or bloodborne 2 if that would ever happen.
The creatures the Innsmouth worship are called Deep Ones, which you were spot on, while the greater god that they overall worshiped was named Dagon. Which was the father of all these fish creatures in the story. Besides that, you're spot on.
Isn't the city in the water The Hunters Nightmare itself? Isn't it proven that the whole nightmare realms work in layers and that city under the water is the buildings of nightmare yharnam. This is proven when that snail mermaids creature falls threw one of the layers beside the whirligig saw making it out of place for that specific area of the game.
Okay so what must have happened is a bergenworth student investigated the fishing hamlet and then reported back and sent the hunters, and the hunters killed the villagers and kos (or some say kosm)
There is a game based on Lovecraft's books called Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth.
This reminds me of the island in berserk where everyone was being controlled by a sea god