Leave it to someone of the LGBTQ community to go on a hate rant against Tolkien. News Flash: His tales will still be beloved decades from now, whereas you will be all but forgotten. As it should be.
Calling Tolkiens work anything other than inclusive and loving is a blatant lie. You don't have to be religious to see that the entire point of those books was that all life is sacred and to be protected at all costs. I am not religious by any means, but to claim that books containing religious allegory are synonymous with anything Aryan is a disgusting lie bordering on evil.
Exactly. Tolkien was very clear that he despises allegory in all its forms. Wasn't even a fan of the Narnia series, even though it was written by a good friend of his. --As for Rachel, this certainly isn't her first time spewing outrageous lies. Edit: Removed quote that I used in another comment to avoid redundancy.
Which I have to wonder. Did this person ever read the books or watch the Jackson Films? For you see a dwarf and elf slowly put their differences side and end up becoming friends. Even with them having dislike for each other, due to one being a dwarf and the other a elf. They are able to overcome and look pass that, to become friends. Like how the heck is that promoting what Mr Hit was trying to do? Wouldn't the story be different, with dwarves or elves being the master race that is better than all the rest? Rather than learning to put their differences side to come together and stand against the face of evil? Which also they really have not read the books. For one of the stories that gets told, after the main one finishes. Is about a half blood prince of gondor, being the hero vs the villain, who is someone of pure blood. Not to forget the hobbits, which are there to show, even the most unlikely of people can be heroes and perform grand deeds. For many people stronger with more influence and power than a mere hobbit, fell fall sooner to the power and influence of the ring. Not to forget who took out the witch king. People from all different walks of life and races, were able to perform great heroic deeds. Is that not the diverse inclusive they been asking for and shoving down everything throat for years now? Only you know, well written by a master of his craft, that make people want to read it. Unlike lots of modern media, that is a poorly put together fan fiction, that has to leech off a well respect ip build by others or shame others into viewing it, for it can't stand on it own merit. For yeah this is one of the biggest lies I have ever heard. Which it does come off like they are jealous somehow, that this work of fiction was able to inspire countless people and last for generations. Unlike alot of modern stuff that tends to be in the spotlight five seconds before dying.
I mean holy smite, Germany refused to publish _The Hobbit_ because Tolkien told them in essence to get bent in response to them wanting to know how Aryan his blood was.
Ah yes, Lord of the Rings, the nazi story written by a man who openly hated the nazis to the point he wrote they were making him feel ashamed for his germanic heritage. Yeah yeah, that makes perfect sense, it is so normal that one has to keep repeating it because, somehow it doesn't stick. I am utterly FLABEBRGASTED as to why!
They seriously are just jealous they can’t ever create anything like Tolkien did. They also just hate any male beloved franchise (not that you have to be male, I love it)
Aragorn: "Ach, Herr Baggins, ja? Papers, please! What do we have here? You have no permission to venture beyond the forest? I am afraid these Nassi-Ghouls will have to take care of you."
She hates Christians, and Tokien was a Christian writing a Christian analogy. Guess what Christians are guilty of, in the eyes of a cult Christ declared obsolete?
Last i heard it is about a totally unrelated female character that didnt even have a few lines of description. But as usual she ll be the girl boss that knows no fear, pain or suffering. Just like all "the real women " ( sarcasm ) out there...representation and other silly quotes they say.
@@arachnabell Not entirely true. The story seems to be told from the POV of the daughter of Helm Hammerhand. Now, Helm had 3 children, two sons Hama, and Haleth. He also had an unnamed daughter. So the character of (Hera) is not unrelated to the over all story. How they handle her is another story, but I am willing to give them a chance.
@@scottwalker6947 The factthet they called her Hera is blatant disrespect towards Tolkien already. He activly tride to avoid any latin or greek word and nameing conventions when he worked out the languadges of middle-earth.
It's quite interesting; I read 'The Lord of the Rings' and watched the trilogy, yet I never considered the themes of religion or nationalism. I simply took pleasure in the stories and films! I think many would never have given it a single thought if the lefties didn't point it out. Or, maybe, it's just me. :D This agenda to remove all art and insert all propaganda and ideology is reminiscent of... 🤔💡
Tolkien himself studiously avoided allegory, but he also explicitly confirmed LOTR was a Catholic book. Neither Aragorn, Gandalf, Frodo, or Sam was a Christ figure (unlike Lewis' Aslan) but all four had precedent Christlike aspects. Likewise, Galadriel is not the Blessed Virgin, but she definitely has Marian attributes.
@@robertlehnert4148 I was five when he died. ;) I wouldn't care either way. It's a phenomenal world to immerse yourself in. Some people just can't enjoy the art without picking it apart for an agenda. :(
The entertainment industry has fallen off a left-wing cliff. I don't think it will ever recover. It's shocking to me that in the span of just a few years, I'm going to have to say goodbye to movies, TV, comics, video games that are pandering to DEI consulting extortion rackets......it's just all so sad.
I can’t even describe all the anger I have inside. This book is about friendship and heroes, in particular that even the smallest, most powerless can be heroes and triumph over evil. If these dummies were smart enough to see it through eyes that were not glassed over by the agendas they are propagating they would see that this can be any minority. Tolkien wrote it from a mostly white perspective because that was his experience but the message crosses over through humanity. But they have to be literal about everything because, heaven forbid a person become so engrossed in an imaginary world like Middle Earth, that they don’t see colour - they just feel the beauty of the story. Tolkien got many of his ideas while he was in the trenches fighting for all of humanity and watching heroes of all different levels of society stepping up and making a difference. That was the world he knew, coming from England at that period of time. People write stories based on their experiences and just because the world he lived in was different to the world we live in now, doesn’t mean his experience is not relevant! Stop indoctrinating a generation of people and allow them to think freely and be able to read a book for the “story” not your “message”.
@@SterileNeutrino Orwell was against the totalitarian form of communism becoming popular in the USSR, of which he met many proponents during his time in Spain during its war in the '30s. That's what 1984 was warning about, not do-gooder socialists.
He did dislike the Fabian Society types for their social elitism. He said that they clearly despised the masses. In his estimation their driving force was hatred of the British establishment rather than sympathy for the working class.
To be clear, Tolkien was a devout Catholic Christian, and it did inspire his work. But Tolkien has stated that LOTR was not an allegory for Christianity or any religion. He's said that he "detests allegory". LOTR serves as a Mythology for England (because there never was one). But you can definitely how his Christianity inspires LOTR in terms of Good vs Evil, and death and sacrifice.
@@tommaydag420 Yes, but there is no Creation Myth like the Ancient Egyptian, Greek, Mongolian, or Genesis (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) native to England. Tolkien's goal was to construct one himself, that also serves as a secondary world.
By that "logic" in any story there couldn't be enemies because it depicts some creatures as good and others as bad. 🤣 You know, Goblin Slayer is racist towards goblins and in Kingdom Hearts Sora is evil for fightning heartless.
Oh Goblin slayer had much worst logic used against it, in the past. When the anime first came out. Mother basement, a youtuber. From what I recall. Was one of the people, trying to make the case. Goblin slayer promotes it being ok to do a certain bad thing. When the villains who did say bad thing, get punished with death. Like that is a rather heavy punishment, for performing a bad deed. Any normal person would understand, punishment = this is a bad thing you shouldn't it. Yet somehow they were twisting things, to make it sound like it was a hentai series. Which also it like, wait a minute. Who the heck takes their life lessons from the villains in a piece of media? Which I swear, alot of people don't understand sometimes, a goblin is a goblin. That sometimes a good vs evil story, is just that. Nothing more.
They probably can't get past the fact that LOTR was made totally in New Zealand...NOT Hollywood. John Rhyce Davies makes heartfelt comment about the spirit of the cast & crew....'you won't find such spirit in LA...But it's here'.
He clarified that he despised obvious allegory because of how it forced interpretation on the reader and hit them with forced meaning, but did actually say that he was okay with subtle allegory.
That would be like saying chimps and humans are the same because we branched off the same tree. Orcs were created and came from elves, but they're no longer elves.
I'm not surprised at this. They removed Laura Ingels Wilder from her own award for how she wrote about people in her time. They also painted H.P. Lovecraft as racist because of his depiction of cultists as degenerate people.
I was at University in Australia in the very early 90's studying (among other things) Literature - y'know back when University curricula contained real subjects, unlike today; and this whole "Orcs are actually black people" was around then. Most of my lecturers / tutors did the idea enough courtesy to examine it in class, before quickly dismissing it with obvious evidence. I still remember an exchange on Twitter a year or so ago when the culture wars were on about Tolkien yet again, & some idiot lefty defending "Rings of Power" was losing the argument about how it was an insult to JRR's memory & legacy, & she defended her position by saying something like: "well, the movies rewrote the novel by having Eowyn kill the Witch King on Pelennor Fields, and nobody has a problem with that!" She got ROASTED by everyone for obviously having not even read the book!! It was glorious!
Yeah. Isn't she the one who adamantly and vehemently declared that if you got a certain experimental shot you couldn't get or transfer a virus? Kinda thought a blatant, harmful lie would have shot her credibility to shreds. *Shrug* I guess it was just her opinion...much like this bit o' drivel. 🤷♂
*Chuckle* TH-cam censoring a comment I made agreeing with your incredulity--presumably because I referenced a falsehood she made regarding the efficacy of certain "countermeasures". Let it go, TH-cam. We know the truth. You can't pretend the lies weren't said. Maybe you can attach a community note to my posts, so that everyone knows what the official truth is. 😒
Dungeons & Dragons was very strongly influenced by Lord of the Rings. D&D had Hobbits, but had to change them to Halfling because Hobbits are not in the public domain. That is some of the best fantasy of all time.
Lord of the Rings doesn’t have right wing elements(nor is it anti left wing). It’s an epic style boyhood story about good and evil. It shows the best and th worst of people and nothing in between. Theres a reason it isn’t written the same way as something like Game of Thrones(With political elements)
She's one of the people I legitimately wonder about in that regard. I believe there are many who are deceived, who would break down in tears when the truth is revealed, and would gratefully embrace Jesus for who He is. But, I also believe there are those who are not deceived, but rather delight in deceit--those who have aligned themselves with wickedness, and despise God for who he is. Considering the blatant lies and manipulation that pours so easily from her mouth, I wonder if she doesn't fall into the latter group. Fortunately, that's not for me to determine. Jesus will present himself to her, if he hasn't already, and the choice her heart has made will be discerned. --All that said, your point stands!
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 Absolutely. I think it is far fewer people than we think, but I believe it does happen. It can be a gradual erosion--the increasing justification of things (hate, bloodlust, deceit, manipulation, etc..,) that align with wickedness to the point that wickedness itself is considered just. At that point, they despise anything that opposes their values and intentions, and resent anything objectively greater than themselves.
@@schwaaardWhile true, remember, even Paul openly persecuted Christians with intent, and he ended up being one of the most important leaders of the early Church.
The desperation these evil "people' have for destroying all the great fantasy and science fiction franchises and IPs should be drawing everyone's attention to what is going on. All the rest of us in the world should be seeing this nonsense happening and we should all be asking questions about why the weirdos are doing what they are goin.
Orcs aren't even a race. Both the novel and the movie make it clear the Orcs are Elves who volunteered to join Sauron's or Sauman's armies. In the novel we find out all the "bad" races in LOTR are actually versions of the "good" ones who choose to become what they are. The trolls are ents, the orcs are elves and Gollum is a hobbit.
Why spend energy on those silly people? People will never see eye to eye on almost anything. LOTR, Star Wars and Star Trek has been ruined for me over the past 10-15 years. I am out.
Thing is that I never found Tolkien to be conservative or liberal. Heroic virtues transcend our momentary political strains. Wish we would remember there are moral virtues that belong to anyone to cultivate.
Except they don't. Lmao. Good luck finding western heroic virtues OUTSIDE of the west. We need to stop this Reddit-tier analysis of history. Christianity brought education and culture where it arrived. EVERY PLACE ON EARTH that was 'cOLoNiZeD' by them got better. Now try and do that with the Arabs, the Mongols and the Chinese. Have an actual LOOK at what happened to their subjects and WHERE they are today. There's a push to erase history, cultures and to turn WESTERN VALUES into some sort of retrò world heritage of sort. It isn't. Amongst cultures that glorify oppression, that give a license to lie and r4pe, we need to understand WHY Christianity was accepted everywhere. And it wasn't forced conversions like Reddit believes.
The Rings of Power show is like anything else in modern mainstream big intellectual properties these days. If you're a fan of the real Lord of The Rings, how can you possibly enjoy Rings of Power? Just like if you're a fan of real Star Wars, how can you possibly enjoy Disney Pseudo Star Wars? Or Star Trek or Doctor Who or etc... These things cannot be reconciled with each other, they are similar in name only. If you're a fan of these modern things then you never really understood wha the originals were all about in the first place.
She’s just mad knowing she’ll die a death having brought nothing to the world, being forgotten to the sands of time. While Tolkien will be remembered for centuries to come for the alternate dimension he created all by himself.
Don't apply modern right-wing claims to Lotr. It's as disgusting as adding modern left-wing claims to it. They are stories for everyone free from that Pidgeon-holing rubbish.
Seriously, if these people were that upset about Orcs then why didn’t they just create their own Fantasy World with their version of fantasy races or jump ship to the other fantasy franchises like Warhammer or Elder Scrolls and just leave the Lord of the Rings alone? Just because it doesn’t fit their standards doesn’t give them the right to ruin it for others just create their own.
"They" want to control everyohne else. The rest of us must be forced to like whatever "they" decide we will like. This situation just shows how evil "they" really are.
The message of LotR is NOT Christian. It is a timeless message that works completely without any religious connection. The fact that Tolkien was writing it, being a Christian, does not make it a Christian story, despite the themes he used. Self-sacrifice and the abandoning of power for the sake of more important values like family and friendship are OLDER than Christianity, and probably any religion. I am an atheist, and I can relate to every single character of the fellowship and their struggles and values just fine, no religion needed.
Quick correction. LOTR is not a Christian work. Tolkein himself said that he went back and tried to remove most references to his beliefs that he accidentally added. He said he just wanted to make a story with no alagory whatsoever. So the reader could interpret the story to mean whatever that wanted it to mean. In other words, good writing. Interpreting it as Christian is perfectly fine, but to say it is the only way to Interpret it is disrespectful to tolkein. If anything, LOTR is a Norse work. All the stories are an almost exact retelling of stories in Norse mythology. "It is not ‘about’ anything but itself. Certainly it has no allegorical intentions, general, particular, or topical, moral, religious, or political.” “As for ‘message’: I have none really, if by that is meant the conscious purpose in writing The Lord of the Rings, of preaching, or of delivering myself of a vision of truth specially revealed to me! I was primarily writing an exciting story in an atmosphere and background such as I find personally attractive.” -J.R.R Tolkein (Edit: I changed the quote because the other one was taken out of context and was being misunderstood)
@Xeno_Solarus No, you just misunderstood the quote. "I have consciously planned very little." He accidentally wrote from his own perspective and beliefs but did not intend to. Hence why he had to go back and remove everything referencing his beliefs so that the story would not be an alagory for religion. Just because LOTR has a god and angel-like beings in its lore doesn't mean it's specifically meant to appeal to Christianity. Dare I name all the religions in the world with a god? He wanted the reader to interpret it for themselves. People talk about LOTR like it's the next iteration of the Bible. Like It's supposed to convert the masses or something. Complete utter nonsense. The story can be interpreted in any way the reader sees fit. That's what makes it so good. Saying LOTR is made for Christians is just gatekeeping. Doing the exact same thing Rings Of Power fans are doing. Acting like it belongs to them and their communities because they put their stamp of approval on it. LOTR is made for humanity, not any one particular group. The way Tolkein has stated he wanted it to be.
You do realize that the quote directly contradicts you, right? He's saying it became consciously Christian, ie he put in MORE Catholicism. When he said he cut out religion from the imaginary word, it means he cut out the religious practices of groups and characters in the world -- he's taking out anything that would come into conflict with or distract form his Catholic beliefs. Reading comprehension, bro!
@@NoahSBX No, you're completely wrong. He's removing the religions OF THE CHARACTERS so that his own beliefs would come through. The whole "The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision" means that he was adding, not removing, the Catholicism. The things he removed were cults and religious practices that a writer might have given to a group for worldbuilding purposes.
@@NerdilyDoneYou are woefully misunderstanding him. "It is not ‘about’ anything but itself. Certainly it has no allegorical intentions, general, particular, or topical, moral, religious, or political.” “As for ‘message’: I have none really, if by that is meant the conscious purpose in writing The Lord of the Rings, of preaching, or of delivering myself of a vision of truth specially revealed to me! I was primarily writing an exciting story in an atmosphere and background such as I find personally attractive.” -J.R.R Tolkein
the whole premise of LoTR is that the smallest of us can inflict the greatest of change if we are brave enough. which, considering the guy was just under 6ft. I dont think he was talking about physical height. rather no matter what sort of minority you may or may not be a part of, no matter how small you think you are. you can change the world if you are brave enough
Yes, Lord of The Rings is a beautiful story about different people coming together to work in unison against a dangerous evil. If that's Nazi i must be a Nazi yet I'm not. The reason it has such appeal is that it has a universal message about the power of shared goodness.
rrrriiiiiiggghhhhhttttt...... We are all going to base our opinions and beliefs based on what these unacceptable "people" say. The original Lord of the Rings is the best. We are not wasting time on any ridiculous spin-offs.
You know my biggest problem with rings of power wasn't even the ignorant forced diversity. It was the fact they turned Galadriel into a imbecile. I loved Galadriel, and I won't forgive how they did her like that. It's just utterly horrible.
They are moral relativists until it is something they don't care for. LOTR is simply not their thing as *most* of its fans are men. It's a story of battles with limited romantic drama. It's great but it's mostly beloved by men who enjoy its length and obsessive details. They can love conservative writers - like Jane Austen. No bigger reason.
I don't think any of these people understand that anyone who speaks that way about Lord of the Rings has clearly not bothered to actually read the damn thing. Therefore, if you're trash talking tolkien, we know you are not to be taken seriously
That woman is a prime example of things wrong in the world, this insane society trying to erase and pervert everything that is good. Just one thing though: Tolkien despised allegory. "I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history - true or feigned- with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers." -Tolkien He set out to create an entire mythology through TLOTR. And being a devout Catholic, Christian themes certainly shine through and are what give his work its enduring quality - good vs. evil, hope im dark times, absolute power corrupte absolutely and no man is without corruption (the Ring), a new age to come with Christ's kingdom etc. But Tolkien does not do so through allegory. To call Frodo an allegory for Jesus Christ is to miss the point completely. Frodo lay down his life for the quest to save to world. But he, like all, succumbed to the will of the Ring; succumbed to darkness and corruption. It was his act of compassion in sparing Gollum prior that resulted in the Ring being destroyed. Tolkien's Savior, the true God and King, through whom, by whom and for whom all things were made (Colossians 1), came into His creation - fully God and fully man - to save all who repent and believe in Him. Him who alone was sinless died for our sin. There is no allegorical Christ in TLOTR.
It’s kinda sad how she has to say something completely delusional for attention and views let’s be realistic she get good numbers when covering literally Trump - Trump could take a dump and she’ll somehow know how he didn’t flush the toilet
Tolkien lived through the 2 Wold Wars. If there is anyone most like the orcs, it would be the Nazis, and the Uruk-hai would be the SS, Is that so hard to grasp? You could hardly be further to the right then them, as well. They wanted to kill anyone who wasn't them. It was also the first fiction that I ever enjoyed reading, and I could hardly put it down.
@@Xeno_Solarus But that's not a Christian allegory. You're describing a Christian principle. The allegory would be if he sacrificed himself to end the menace of the ring and his sacrifice would have to be in some way intrinsically propitiating.
Eh...he did sacrifice. He gave up his pleasant life to destroy the ring. Yes, he was corrupted, but in the end he gave his task his all, and was unable to reclaim his life in the end.
@@Xeno_SolarusHere you go, mate. It is not ‘about’ anything but itself. Certainly it has no allegorical intentions, general, particular, or topical, moral, religious, or political.” “As for ‘message’: I have none really, if by that is meant the conscious purpose in writing The Lord of the Rings, of preaching, or of delivering myself of a vision of truth specially revealed to me! I was primarily writing an exciting story in an atmosphere and background such as I find personally attractive.” -J.R.R Tolkein
@@NerdilyDone Leaving the Shire wasn't a sacrifice, it was a "call to action"; and doing your best amounts to nothing if you fail when it matters most. Sure he didn't get to go back to his old life, he got to go to paradise with all the cool people, hardly a sacrifice.
I was around 10 when i started reading the lotr books, it was still the 70´s and what i took away from these stories was that it was about sacrifice for the good and the battle against evil. Obv in these days Nazis was one of the evils of the real world and Sweden (wich is my country) was quite left wing oriented at this time. Not anything related to what Americans today call left wing liberals, this is not liberalism or left wing its something else. I see myself as a liberal, all people have the right to be happy and all sexes the right to marry and even abortion is a choice women (and men) together should have, but what these woak people think is beyond me, cant understand how they can be this delisional. Anyway ty for letting me share my view and be safe .
There’s obviously some connections to Christianity, Tolkien was Christian and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. However, there’s absolutely no connection between LOTR and aryan because it’s designed to be a mythology for Britain. It’s a tale of one man’s endless imagination and creativity tempered by real life struggles and hardships all lovingly put together in a timeless masterpiece. The fact that Rachel “Madcow” decided to talk confidently about something she knows absolutely nothing about is nothing new, it’s literally the last 10 years of tourist douchebags picking fights that they can never hope to win. They didn’t win when Amazon shat out ROP and this will be yet another failed attempt.
That's why it's so important to know the original myths & legends that inspired things like Lord of the Ring and the other great fantasy works. And the real world history also of the places where this material originated. Some people would love to take it all away and this is a part of that. Dumb people always want you to be as clueless as they are.
Using "Tolkien" and "allegory" in the same paragraph makes you look like you really haven't read much about Tolkien's views. The rest is pretty spot on.
But… I don’t get this. I’m old enough to remember how Lord of the Rings was literally part of the hippie era mythology… Anyone remembers the then meme “Frodo lives!”? It was alternative back then. All great literature can be used to interpret the burning questions of the day, be it the Bible, Lord of the Rings, the Iliad, Hemingway and so many more stories. That’s how you see that it is great literature. Keep it up - stories are important. 👊🏻
I'm from Tolkien's home town. I can literally walk to see where he lived or the actual two towers.It's one of the greatest works of fiction ever written but Is it weird that i still find maddow hot?
Adding to the bandwagon to make sure it gets seen: LOTR isn’t an allegory and the Frodo=Christ comparison falls apart in a lot of ways (I can’t imagine Christ slowly being overcome by the power of darkness and failing at the last minute before a sudden miracle does his job for him). It seems to me that if a work of art has any truth in it, it usually defies any right-wing/left-wing labels. I think what tends to happen, psychologically speaking, is that when an opponent of ours likes something or when a thing becomes associated with a “team” we aren’t on, we tend to hate on it more than it probably deserves just to demoralize the other side.
Leave it to someone of the LGBTQ community to go on a hate rant against Tolkien.
News Flash: His tales will still be beloved decades from now, whereas you will be all but forgotten.
As it should be.
This is the way.
👏👏👏!!!
Orcs as Blacks = Racist?
Orcs as Mexicans = Not Racist?
They keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means.
We doan need no steenkin' Baggins!🤣
Calling Tolkiens work anything other than inclusive and loving is a blatant lie. You don't have to be religious to see that the entire point of those books was that all life is sacred and to be protected at all costs.
I am not religious by any means, but to claim that books containing religious allegory are synonymous with anything Aryan is a disgusting lie bordering on evil.
Exactly. Tolkien was very clear that he despises allegory in all its forms. Wasn't even a fan of the Narnia series, even though it was written by a good friend of his. --As for Rachel, this certainly isn't her first time spewing outrageous lies.
Edit: Removed quote that I used in another comment to avoid redundancy.
Which I have to wonder. Did this person ever read the books or watch the Jackson Films? For you see a dwarf and elf slowly put their differences side and end up becoming friends. Even with them having dislike for each other, due to one being a dwarf and the other a elf. They are able to overcome and look pass that, to become friends. Like how the heck is that promoting what Mr Hit was trying to do? Wouldn't the story be different, with dwarves or elves being the master race that is better than all the rest? Rather than learning to put their differences side to come together and stand against the face of evil?
Which also they really have not read the books. For one of the stories that gets told, after the main one finishes. Is about a half blood prince of gondor, being the hero vs the villain, who is someone of pure blood. Not to forget the hobbits, which are there to show, even the most unlikely of people can be heroes and perform grand deeds. For many people stronger with more influence and power than a mere hobbit, fell fall sooner to the power and influence of the ring. Not to forget who took out the witch king. People from all different walks of life and races, were able to perform great heroic deeds. Is that not the diverse inclusive they been asking for and shoving down everything throat for years now? Only you know, well written by a master of his craft, that make people want to read it. Unlike lots of modern media, that is a poorly put together fan fiction, that has to leech off a well respect ip build by others or shame others into viewing it, for it can't stand on it own merit. For yeah this is one of the biggest lies I have ever heard. Which it does come off like they are jealous somehow, that this work of fiction was able to inspire countless people and last for generations. Unlike alot of modern stuff that tends to be in the spotlight five seconds before dying.
I mean holy smite, Germany refused to publish _The Hobbit_ because Tolkien told them in essence to get bent in response to them wanting to know how Aryan his blood was.
Peter Jackson really respected Tolkien unlike Amazon.
He loved the first trilogy...the hobbit, on the other hand.
And im afraid since he claimed to be working on another movie!
Ah yes, Lord of the Rings, the nazi story written by a man who openly hated the nazis to the point he wrote they were making him feel ashamed for his germanic heritage. Yeah yeah, that makes perfect sense, it is so normal that one has to keep repeating it because, somehow it doesn't stick. I am utterly FLABEBRGASTED as to why!
They died out so they need to make new ones.
And what better way then to point at beautiful wholesome stories.
They seriously are just jealous they can’t ever create anything like Tolkien did. They also just hate any male beloved franchise (not that you have to be male, I love it)
The writer sounds soy
@@InfraRizo reminder that the writer is also a world war veteran that also learned of the horrors in real time.
Aragorn: "Ach, Herr Baggins, ja? Papers, please! What do we have here? You have no permission to venture beyond the forest? I am afraid these Nassi-Ghouls will have to take care of you."
It's insane how hateful and resentful people are allowed to be about white people.
She hates Christians, and Tokien was a Christian writing a Christian analogy. Guess what Christians are guilty of, in the eyes of a cult Christ declared obsolete?
strangely, she's white herself. Self-hate.
Especially when 90% of the time they’re white themselves
You are great but please stop doing that fake laugh it makes you sound fake ❤
They want to cancel every thing beautiful because they are not.🤷♂️
Amen to that.
She has her rings of power trash why is she still mad
Because we're not bending over backwards to comply with her woke beliefs. Same as all woke scumbags.
She has her ring of power, alright...
😂😂😂😂
Friendly reminder that there is an amimated Lord of the Rings movie coming out in December that im sure will honor Tolkien. (Sarcasm)
Last i heard it is about a totally unrelated female character that didnt even have a few lines of description.
But as usual she ll be the girl boss that knows no fear, pain or suffering.
Just like all "the real women " ( sarcasm ) out there...representation and other silly quotes they say.
@@arachnabell Not entirely true. The story seems to be told from the POV of the daughter of Helm Hammerhand. Now, Helm had 3 children, two sons Hama, and Haleth. He also had an unnamed daughter. So the character of (Hera) is not unrelated to the over all story. How they handle her is another story, but I am willing to give them a chance.
Pretty sure there's a made up female warrior.
@@scottwalker6947 The factthet they called her Hera is blatant disrespect towards Tolkien already. He activly tride to avoid any latin or greek word and nameing conventions when he worked out the languadges of middle-earth.
@@arachnabellFemale-led project post-2016?
Naaaw...I'm good.
Rachel Maddow is the living embodiment of Grima Wormtongue.
😂 You got that right
The Rachel Maddows of the world always go there, don't they?
It's quite interesting; I read 'The Lord of the Rings' and watched the trilogy, yet I never considered the themes of religion or nationalism. I simply took pleasure in the stories and films! I think many would never have given it a single thought if the lefties didn't point it out. Or, maybe, it's just me. :D
This agenda to remove all art and insert all propaganda and ideology is reminiscent of... 🤔💡
Tolkien himself studiously avoided allegory, but he also explicitly confirmed LOTR was a Catholic book. Neither Aragorn, Gandalf, Frodo, or Sam was a Christ figure (unlike Lewis' Aslan) but all four had precedent Christlike aspects. Likewise, Galadriel is not the Blessed Virgin, but she definitely has Marian attributes.
@@robertlehnert4148 I was five when he died. ;) I wouldn't care either way. It's a phenomenal world to immerse yourself in. Some people just can't enjoy the art without picking it apart for an agenda. :(
The entertainment industry has fallen off a left-wing cliff. I don't think it will ever recover. It's shocking to me that in the span of just a few years, I'm going to have to say goodbye to movies, TV, comics, video games that are pandering to DEI consulting extortion rackets......it's just all so sad.
The Orcs are descendants of captured, tortured, and corrupted Elves, according to the Silmarillion.
I can’t even describe all the anger I have inside. This book is about friendship and heroes, in particular that even the smallest, most powerless can be heroes and triumph over evil. If these dummies were smart enough to see it through eyes that were not glassed over by the agendas they are propagating they would see that this can be any minority. Tolkien wrote it from a mostly white perspective because that was his experience but the message crosses over through humanity. But they have to be literal about everything because, heaven forbid a person become so engrossed in an imaginary world like Middle Earth, that they don’t see colour - they just feel the beauty of the story. Tolkien got many of his ideas while he was in the trenches fighting for all of humanity and watching heroes of all different levels of society stepping up and making a difference. That was the world he knew, coming from England at that period of time. People write stories based on their experiences and just because the world he lived in was different to the world we live in now, doesn’t mean his experience is not relevant! Stop indoctrinating a generation of people and allow them to think freely and be able to read a book for the “story” not your “message”.
The Mad Cow strikes again
Pleas don't. Cows haven't deserved this.
Tolkien and Orwell far right? It's a mad, mad, mad world...
Orwell was one of the most famous socialists of all time. He wasn't banned from schools for his pro-capitalism stance.
Orwell was definitely socialist, but not a "Fabian Society" do-gooder type of socialist, which is what the satire "1984" is all about.
@@SterileNeutrino Orwell was against the totalitarian form of communism becoming popular in the USSR, of which he met many proponents during his time in Spain during its war in the '30s.
That's what 1984 was warning about, not do-gooder socialists.
He did dislike the Fabian Society types for their social elitism. He said that they clearly despised the masses.
In his estimation their driving force was hatred of the British establishment rather than sympathy for the working class.
To be clear, Tolkien was a devout Catholic Christian, and it did inspire his work. But Tolkien has stated that LOTR was not an allegory for Christianity or any religion. He's said that he "detests allegory". LOTR serves as a Mythology for England (because there never was one). But you can definitely how his Christianity inspires LOTR in terms of Good vs Evil, and death and sacrifice.
But there is English Mythology, King Arthur is way older than LotR
@@tommaydag420 Yes, but there is no Creation Myth like the Ancient Egyptian, Greek, Mongolian, or Genesis (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) native to England. Tolkien's goal was to construct one himself, that also serves as a secondary world.
@@tommaydag420King Arthur is actually French. Not the actual person/figure, mind you, but absolutely the stories are.
I detest having allergies too that sucks for tolkien
@@DekkarJr 😂😂😂😂
I hope the right side protects J.R.R. Tolkien's work.
LOTR is washed like Star Wars.
@@donovanchilton5817 Not if people cherish it and simply stick up their middle fingers at whatever these freaks try to make out of it.
Rachel Maddow is the Mouth of Sauron.
I thought that was Kamala. Looks just like it with that evil teeth-flashing smile
By that "logic" in any story there couldn't be enemies because it depicts some creatures as good and others as bad. 🤣 You know, Goblin Slayer is racist towards goblins and in Kingdom Hearts Sora is evil for fightning heartless.
Oh Goblin slayer had much worst logic used against it, in the past. When the anime first came out. Mother basement, a youtuber. From what I recall. Was one of the people, trying to make the case. Goblin slayer promotes it being ok to do a certain bad thing. When the villains who did say bad thing, get punished with death. Like that is a rather heavy punishment, for performing a bad deed. Any normal person would understand, punishment = this is a bad thing you shouldn't it. Yet somehow they were twisting things, to make it sound like it was a hentai series. Which also it like, wait a minute. Who the heck takes their life lessons from the villains in a piece of media?
Which I swear, alot of people don't understand sometimes, a goblin is a goblin. That sometimes a good vs evil story, is just that. Nothing more.
How ridiculously partisan do you have to be to hate on Lord of the Rings because someone in the other political party happens to really like it?
A story involving Men of the West? Not if antiwhites have anything to say about it!
By her own logic, we shouldn't listen to her, because she has Mad in her name!
Rachel Wormtongue. 😳
They probably can't get past the fact that LOTR was made totally in New Zealand...NOT Hollywood.
John Rhyce Davies makes heartfelt comment about the spirit of the cast & crew....'you won't find such spirit in LA...But it's here'.
Tolkien opposed eugenics these people have no idea what they are talking about. He also opposed Nazism. He said Hitler was a ruddy ignoramus.
I love Lord of the Rings. But it is not an allegory to Jesus. In fact Tolkien despised allegory.
He clarified that he despised obvious allegory because of how it forced interpretation on the reader and hit them with forced meaning, but did actually say that he was okay with subtle allegory.
I like how when they're upset they just revert to calling people Nazis
It's an antiwhite slur, they're antiwhites.
"Be silent! Keep your forked tongue behind your teeth!" -- Gandalf the Grey to Rachel the Wrong (from the RotK appendices...probably)
Arent Orcs just Elves turned evil,which would mean they're the same race?
That would be like saying chimps and humans are the same because we branched off the same tree. Orcs were created and came from elves, but they're no longer elves.
@@erikseavey I'm pretty sure Sauron kidnapped Elves and turned them into Orcs.
@@moonie-zw5byYeah you're right. I guess my example was a bad one.
I'll keep my comment up just so others know why you said what you said. But yeah, fair enough.
@@moonie-zw5byActually Sauron's master the first dark lord Morgoth was responsible for that.
Anyone who dislikes Lord Of the Rings is no friend of mine.
Tolkien hated allegory.
I'm not surprised at this. They removed Laura Ingels Wilder from her own award for how she wrote about people in her time. They also painted H.P. Lovecraft as racist because of his depiction of cultists as degenerate people.
To be fair, I believe we have letters written to Lovecraft asking him to tone down the racism. He’s not exactly squeaky clean.
I hope she will never read Lovecraft the archzani 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm a Communist, I love Lord of The Rings. Tolkien was unfathomably based.
People will be reading and discussing Tolkien for centuries after Rachel Maddow and her ideology are completely forgotten.
I was at University in Australia in the very early 90's studying (among other things) Literature - y'know back when University curricula contained real subjects, unlike today; and this whole "Orcs are actually black people" was around then. Most of my lecturers / tutors did the idea enough courtesy to examine it in class, before quickly dismissing it with obvious evidence.
I still remember an exchange on Twitter a year or so ago when the culture wars were on about Tolkien yet again, & some idiot lefty defending "Rings of Power" was losing the argument about how it was an insult to JRR's memory & legacy, & she defended her position by saying something like: "well, the movies rewrote the novel by having Eowyn kill the Witch King on Pelennor Fields, and nobody has a problem with that!" She got ROASTED by everyone for obviously having not even read the book!! It was glorious!
After the bible, it is the most sold book in the world and has just as many translations as the bible.
With respect, Tolkien HATED allegory.
I can't believe she is still on the job being a "journalist".
Yeah. Isn't she the one who adamantly and vehemently declared that if you got a certain experimental shot you couldn't get or transfer a virus? Kinda thought a blatant, harmful lie would have shot her credibility to shreds. *Shrug* I guess it was just her opinion...much like this bit o' drivel. 🤷♂
*Chuckle* TH-cam censoring a comment I made agreeing with your incredulity--presumably because I referenced a falsehood she made regarding the efficacy of certain "countermeasures". Let it go, TH-cam. We know the truth. You can't pretend the lies weren't said. Maybe you can attach a community note to my posts, so that everyone knows what the official truth is. 😒
I seriously doubt she has even bothered to read the books.
Dungeons & Dragons was very strongly influenced by Lord of the Rings.
D&D had Hobbits, but had to change them to Halfling because Hobbits are not in the public domain.
That is some of the best fantasy of all time.
Lord of the Rings doesn’t have right wing elements(nor is it anti left wing). It’s an epic style boyhood story about good and evil. It shows the best and th worst of people and nothing in between. Theres a reason it isn’t written the same way as something like Game of Thrones(With political elements)
Neo marxist is a treat to humanity
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Oh yeah, this has always been like this since I was a kid back in the 60s. "Tolkien is bad! Tolkien is evil!"
She needs Jesus
She's one of the people I legitimately wonder about in that regard. I believe there are many who are deceived, who would break down in tears when the truth is revealed, and would gratefully embrace Jesus for who He is. But, I also believe there are those who are not deceived, but rather delight in deceit--those who have aligned themselves with wickedness, and despise God for who he is. Considering the blatant lies and manipulation that pours so easily from her mouth, I wonder if she doesn't fall into the latter group. Fortunately, that's not for me to determine. Jesus will present himself to her, if he hasn't already, and the choice her heart has made will be discerned. --All that said, your point stands!
@@schwaaard Sometimes is it stuggering when you meet with such reckless hate. Maybe, some peple, really embrace evil in such degree?
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 Absolutely. I think it is far fewer people than we think, but I believe it does happen. It can be a gradual erosion--the increasing justification of things (hate, bloodlust, deceit, manipulation, etc..,) that align with wickedness to the point that wickedness itself is considered just. At that point, they despise anything that opposes their values and intentions, and resent anything objectively greater than themselves.
Yes. Politics cannot change people's hearts. Only the Cross can.
@@schwaaardWhile true, remember, even Paul openly persecuted Christians with intent, and he ended up being one of the most important leaders of the early Church.
One of the characters the left must hate the most is Aragorn since he is the very definition of masculinity.
The desperation these evil "people' have for destroying all the great fantasy and science fiction franchises and IPs should be drawing everyone's attention to what is going on.
All the rest of us in the world should be seeing this nonsense happening and we should all be asking questions about why the weirdos are doing what they are goin.
Orcs aren't even a race.
Both the novel and the movie make it clear the Orcs are Elves who volunteered to join Sauron's or Sauman's armies.
In the novel we find out all the "bad" races in LOTR are actually versions of the "good" ones who choose to become what they are. The trolls are ents, the orcs are elves and Gollum is a hobbit.
She's woke... what do you expect?
I’ve noticed in the past when LOTR first came out, the most liberal figures tended to hate the stories and the movies. But whatever
That's because they're antiwhites who don't want Men of the West to succeed neither in fiction nor life.
It’s why similar parties have consistently failed with Star Wars and with Marvel.
They hate aspirational morality and the concept of heroes
Why spend energy on those silly people? People will never see eye to eye on almost anything.
LOTR, Star Wars and Star Trek has been ruined for me over the past 10-15 years. I am out.
Thing is that I never found Tolkien to be conservative or liberal. Heroic virtues transcend our momentary political strains. Wish we would remember there are moral virtues that belong to anyone to cultivate.
Except they don't. Lmao. Good luck finding western heroic virtues OUTSIDE of the west. We need to stop this Reddit-tier analysis of history. Christianity brought education and culture where it arrived. EVERY PLACE ON EARTH that was 'cOLoNiZeD' by them got better. Now try and do that with the Arabs, the Mongols and the Chinese. Have an actual LOOK at what happened to their subjects and WHERE they are today.
There's a push to erase history, cultures and to turn WESTERN VALUES into some sort of retrò world heritage of sort. It isn't. Amongst cultures that glorify oppression, that give a license to lie and r4pe, we need to understand WHY Christianity was accepted everywhere. And it wasn't forced conversions like Reddit believes.
Well, congratulations. You are officially the first account TH-cam has unsubscribed me from on their own.
The Rings of Power show is like anything else in modern mainstream big intellectual properties these days. If you're a fan of the real Lord of The Rings, how can you possibly enjoy Rings of Power? Just like if you're a fan of real Star Wars, how can you possibly enjoy Disney Pseudo Star Wars? Or Star Trek or Doctor Who or etc... These things cannot be reconciled with each other, they are similar in name only. If you're a fan of these modern things then you never really understood wha the originals were all about in the first place.
Stop the fake laugh please we need you ❤
She’s just mad knowing she’ll die a death having brought nothing to the world, being forgotten to the sands of time. While Tolkien will be remembered for centuries to come for the alternate dimension he created all by himself.
Don't apply modern right-wing claims to Lotr. It's as disgusting as adding modern left-wing claims to it.
They are stories for everyone free from that Pidgeon-holing rubbish.
Orcs are corrupted elves. Like how zombies and vampires are corrupted humans.
Very good reason some of us call this creature ‘Mad Cow’.
What a miserable life to dislike the LOTR. These people are orcs of Sauron and Saruman
In before Colbert starts a "Reclaim Tolkien" movement.
Seriously, if these people were that upset about Orcs then why didn’t they just create their own Fantasy World with their version of fantasy races or jump ship to the other fantasy franchises like Warhammer or Elder Scrolls and just leave the Lord of the Rings alone? Just because it doesn’t fit their standards doesn’t give them the right to ruin it for others just create their own.
"They" want to control everyohne else.
The rest of us must be forced to like whatever "they" decide we will like.
This situation just shows how evil "they" really are.
They have no creativity. All they can do is disparage already created and beloved works of fantasy.
They are not the sort of people that leaves good things alone. They see good things as a threat to their existence.
The message of LotR is NOT Christian. It is a timeless message that works completely without any religious connection.
The fact that Tolkien was writing it, being a Christian, does not make it a Christian story, despite the themes he used.
Self-sacrifice and the abandoning of power for the sake of more important values like family and friendship are OLDER than Christianity, and probably any religion.
I am an atheist, and I can relate to every single character of the fellowship and their struggles and values just fine, no religion needed.
Quick correction. LOTR is not a Christian work.
Tolkein himself said that he went back and tried to remove most references to his beliefs that he accidentally added. He said he just wanted to make a story with no alagory whatsoever. So the reader could interpret the story to mean whatever that wanted it to mean. In other words, good writing. Interpreting it as Christian is perfectly fine, but to say it is the only way to Interpret it is disrespectful to tolkein.
If anything, LOTR is a Norse work. All the stories are an almost exact retelling of stories in Norse mythology.
"It is not ‘about’ anything but itself. Certainly it has no allegorical intentions, general, particular, or topical, moral, religious, or political.”
“As for ‘message’: I have none really, if by that is meant the conscious purpose in writing The Lord of the Rings, of preaching, or of delivering myself of a vision of truth specially revealed to me! I was primarily writing an exciting story in an atmosphere and background such as I find personally attractive.”
-J.R.R Tolkein
(Edit: I changed the quote because the other one was taken out of context and was being misunderstood)
You literally give a quote going against your point.
@Xeno_Solarus No, you just misunderstood the quote.
"I have consciously planned very little."
He accidentally wrote from his own perspective and beliefs but did not intend to. Hence why he had to go back and remove everything referencing his beliefs so that the story would not be an alagory for religion.
Just because LOTR has a god and angel-like beings in its lore doesn't mean it's specifically meant to appeal to Christianity. Dare I name all the religions in the world with a god? He wanted the reader to interpret it for themselves.
People talk about LOTR like it's the next iteration of the Bible. Like It's supposed to convert the masses or something. Complete utter nonsense. The story can be interpreted in any way the reader sees fit. That's what makes it so good.
Saying LOTR is made for Christians is just gatekeeping. Doing the exact same thing Rings Of Power fans are doing. Acting like it belongs to them and their communities because they put their stamp of approval on it. LOTR is made for humanity, not any one particular group. The way Tolkein has stated he wanted it to be.
You do realize that the quote directly contradicts you, right? He's saying it became consciously Christian, ie he put in MORE Catholicism. When he said he cut out religion from the imaginary word, it means he cut out the religious practices of groups and characters in the world -- he's taking out anything that would come into conflict with or distract form his Catholic beliefs. Reading comprehension, bro!
@@NoahSBX No, you're completely wrong. He's removing the religions OF THE CHARACTERS so that his own beliefs would come through. The whole "The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision" means that he was adding, not removing, the Catholicism. The things he removed were cults and religious practices that a writer might have given to a group for worldbuilding purposes.
@@NerdilyDoneYou are woefully misunderstanding him.
"It is not ‘about’ anything but itself. Certainly it has no allegorical intentions, general, particular, or topical, moral, religious, or political.”
“As for ‘message’: I have none really, if by that is meant the conscious purpose in writing The Lord of the Rings, of preaching, or of delivering myself of a vision of truth specially revealed to me! I was primarily writing an exciting story in an atmosphere and background such as I find personally attractive.”
-J.R.R Tolkein
1. What’s wrong with being Aryan? Hitler liked dogs and food yet we don’t spurn them.
2. How is LOTR related to aryans in any way?
Looks like someone didn't have a good time at Oxford
the whole premise of LoTR is that the smallest of us can inflict the greatest of change if we are brave enough. which, considering the guy was just under 6ft. I dont think he was talking about physical height. rather no matter what sort of minority you may or may not be a part of, no matter how small you think you are. you can change the world if you are brave enough
Yes, Lord of The Rings is a beautiful story about different people coming together to work in unison against a dangerous evil. If that's Nazi i must be a Nazi yet I'm not. The reason it has such appeal is that it has a universal message about the power of shared goodness.
He hasn't seen lawwd dem' rangz yet??? Rangz of powah?
Rachel Maddow wishes she was Joy Reid. 😂😂
rrrriiiiiiggghhhhhttttt......
We are all going to base our opinions and beliefs based on what these unacceptable "people" say.
The original Lord of the Rings is the best.
We are not wasting time on any ridiculous spin-offs.
You know my biggest problem with rings of power wasn't even the ignorant forced diversity. It was the fact they turned Galadriel into a imbecile. I loved Galadriel, and I won't forgive how they did her like that. It's just utterly horrible.
Don't worry. The real Galadriel remains undefiled and beyond the reach of their filthy claws.
@@LukaMagda1Well said.
Fahrenheit 451 is getting closer!
They are moral relativists until it is something they don't care for.
LOTR is simply not their thing as *most* of its fans are men. It's a story of battles with limited romantic drama. It's great but it's mostly beloved by men who enjoy its length and obsessive details.
They can love conservative writers - like Jane Austen.
No bigger reason.
I don't think any of these people understand that anyone who speaks that way about Lord of the Rings has clearly not bothered to actually read the damn thing. Therefore, if you're trash talking tolkien, we know you are not to be taken seriously
I simply ignore them
How can anyone take trans Bert seriously?
That woman is a prime example of things wrong in the world, this insane society trying to erase and pervert everything that is good.
Just one thing though: Tolkien despised allegory.
"I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history - true or feigned- with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers." -Tolkien
He set out to create an entire mythology through TLOTR. And being a devout Catholic, Christian themes certainly shine through and are what give his work its enduring quality - good vs. evil, hope im dark times, absolute power corrupte absolutely and no man is without corruption (the Ring), a new age to come with Christ's kingdom etc. But Tolkien does not do so through allegory.
To call Frodo an allegory for Jesus Christ is to miss the point completely. Frodo lay down his life for the quest to save to world. But he, like all, succumbed to the will of the Ring; succumbed to darkness and corruption. It was his act of compassion in sparing Gollum prior that resulted in the Ring being destroyed. Tolkien's Savior, the true God and King, through whom, by whom and for whom all things were made (Colossians 1), came into His creation - fully God and fully man - to save all who repent and believe in Him. Him who alone was sinless died for our sin. There is no allegorical Christ in TLOTR.
It’s kinda sad how she has to say something completely delusional for attention and views let’s be realistic she get good numbers when covering literally Trump - Trump could take a dump and she’ll somehow know how he didn’t flush the toilet
I am surprised that the SJWs of science fiction hate Tolkien. I bet they like John Norman's books.
Tolkien lived through the 2 Wold Wars. If there is anyone most like the orcs, it would be the Nazis, and the Uruk-hai would be the SS, Is that so hard to grasp? You could hardly be further to the right then them, as well. They wanted to kill anyone who wasn't them. It was also the first fiction that I ever enjoyed reading, and I could hardly put it down.
MaddCowwabungle!
Rachel Madcow
LOTR is NOT a Christian allegory; Frodo did not sacrifice anything, he was corrupted by the ring.
As man is corrupted by their sinful desires? Make a better argument.
@@Xeno_Solarus But that's not a Christian allegory. You're describing a Christian principle. The allegory would be if he sacrificed himself to end the menace of the ring and his sacrifice would have to be in some way intrinsically propitiating.
Eh...he did sacrifice. He gave up his pleasant life to destroy the ring. Yes, he was corrupted, but in the end he gave his task his all, and was unable to reclaim his life in the end.
@@Xeno_SolarusHere you go, mate.
It is not ‘about’ anything but itself. Certainly it has no allegorical intentions, general, particular, or topical, moral, religious, or political.”
“As for ‘message’: I have none really, if by that is meant the conscious purpose in writing The Lord of the Rings, of preaching, or of delivering myself of a vision of truth specially revealed to me! I was primarily writing an exciting story in an atmosphere and background such as I find personally attractive.”
-J.R.R Tolkein
@@NerdilyDone Leaving the Shire wasn't a sacrifice, it was a "call to action"; and doing your best amounts to nothing if you fail when it matters most. Sure he didn't get to go back to his old life, he got to go to paradise with all the cool people, hardly a sacrifice.
I was around 10 when i started reading the lotr books, it was still the 70´s and what i took away from these stories was that it was about sacrifice for the good and the battle against evil. Obv in these days Nazis was one of the evils of the real world and Sweden (wich is my country) was quite left wing oriented at this time. Not anything related to what Americans today call left wing liberals, this is not liberalism or left wing its something else. I see myself as a liberal, all people have the right to be happy and all sexes the right to marry and even abortion is a choice women (and men) together should have, but what these woak people think is beyond me, cant understand how they can be this delisional. Anyway ty for letting me share my view and be safe .
Rug Doctor steaming mad at dirt.
I never read the books and even I know it's Narnia not Narya
There’s obviously some connections to Christianity, Tolkien was Christian and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. However, there’s absolutely no connection between LOTR and aryan because it’s designed to be a mythology for Britain. It’s a tale of one man’s endless imagination and creativity tempered by real life struggles and hardships all lovingly put together in a timeless masterpiece. The fact that Rachel “Madcow” decided to talk confidently about something she knows absolutely nothing about is nothing new, it’s literally the last 10 years of tourist douchebags picking fights that they can never hope to win. They didn’t win when Amazon shat out ROP and this will be yet another failed attempt.
Problematic = it confuses me. Hilarious!
She should read the books. Or ANY book.
That's why it's so important to know the original myths & legends that inspired things like Lord of the Ring and the other great fantasy works. And the real world history also of the places where this material originated. Some people would love to take it all away and this is a part of that. Dumb people always want you to be as clueless as they are.
i guess Steven Colbert is far right now.
Keep the good work up.
God bless
Using "Tolkien" and "allegory" in the same paragraph makes you look like you really haven't read much about Tolkien's views.
The rest is pretty spot on.
She is the mad cow for a reason..
But… I don’t get this. I’m old enough to remember how Lord of the Rings was literally part of the hippie era mythology… Anyone remembers the then meme “Frodo lives!”? It was alternative back then. All great literature can be used to interpret the burning questions of the day, be it the Bible, Lord of the Rings, the Iliad, Hemingway and so many more stories. That’s how you see that it is great literature. Keep it up - stories are important. 👊🏻
I'm from Tolkien's home town.
I can literally walk to see where he lived or the actual two towers.It's one of the greatest works of fiction ever written but Is it weird that i still find maddow hot?
I don't think she's attractive but that's OK if you think she is. Nothing wrong with that.
It is Aryan, in a based way.
Adding to the bandwagon to make sure it gets seen: LOTR isn’t an allegory and the Frodo=Christ comparison falls apart in a lot of ways (I can’t imagine Christ slowly being overcome by the power of darkness and failing at the last minute before a sudden miracle does his job for him). It seems to me that if a work of art has any truth in it, it usually defies any right-wing/left-wing labels. I think what tends to happen, psychologically speaking, is that when an opponent of ours likes something or when a thing becomes associated with a “team” we aren’t on, we tend to hate on it more than it probably deserves just to demoralize the other side.