Great video! You always compared the AF to the R5, is it safe to assume the R6 is the same as R5? Id be more interested in an R6 to R7 comp personally.
@@TonyAndChelsea NO, R7 is not similar, it's better than the R6 and R5, it's more similar to the R3 / it has another layer of tracking ability and stickier than the R5 or R6 Also, recapture that non of the Sony body has even the A1; i have them all.
I called them after the video posted...no stock but they took my info. Honestly never expected to hear from them...guess who called today?! YES! Should be getting my kit in time for the weekend! Woohoo!
Thanks! This isn’t the first of your videos I’ve watched and learned from, but it’s the first I’ve seen a “thanks” button on. High time! Looking forward to more of your comprehensive and useful videos.
If (as you noted) you had a better lens mounted on the RP, why not put that same lens on the R7 and compare its portrait results with the RP? It's hardly fair to test a camera with a cheapo kit lens against one with a mid-range lens. When you matched them with F/1.2 L lenses, the only real difference was the increased DOF of a crop sensor, which is to be expected.
I agree with you John, both bodies have the SAME lens mount.....(maybe Tony was thinking M and RF and not RF and RF ) these folks sometimes makes me want to double scratch my head. I put my R7 on the 800 f11... Whao!! and on my 400mm F2.8 WHOA!!!! R7 with R3 focus engine...amazing. awesome for 1,400 bucks.
@@smaakjeks and yet they also put it on the 100-500, because people buying the R7 for wildlife want good images. The R7 is only $500 more than the RP, so not a huge leap. They were supposed to be comparing the sensors, but it was really a lens comparison. No kit lens is going to compare with an L lens or even the midrange zooms. T&C should have made it clearer that they were comparing apples to oranges, and why.
7D mark II users who are complaining, please stick to the 7D mark II so those who care about performance and are waiting for delivery of the r7 can get theirs in time.
At first I was slightly disappointed with the robustness of R7. But there had been 0 occasions where my 7D mark2 robustness was put into tests. So it's not a big deal
Same sensor dynamic range as M6ii (and better than 7Dii). Ibis is not a reason for me to sell my m6ii and pay thousands of dollars for much bulkier lenses. I wait for M7.
@@barkan86 I don't believe that's going to happen. I'm shooting on an m6ii for wildlife, and while I think it's decent for that, it really wasn't made for it. The r7 is going to be much better which is why I'm upgrading. If you're waiting for another M camera, you'll be waiting for an eternity since I don't believe they will be making any new M series cameras. Plus an "M7" would be worse. An "M5ii" would be the one to look for.
Thank you for sharing. I upgraded from Canon EOS M6 (APSC), to Canon EOS RP with good quality Canon lenses, following some reviews you made in the past and I am so happy with this step.
100% agree on the misname - the body, ergonomics etc to me say it should be the R70, leaving room for a similarly spec’d, beefier body, R5/6 button layout, a true R7! Still tempted to get one as my stationary backup wedding video camera as it goes beyond 30min without an external recorder!
So, if the body was beefier, but otherwise it had the same specs, it would be a "true" R7? Personally I think the smaller, lighter body is a huge plus. Why carry more weight than you have to? Especially if you are using this camera outdoors for wildlife, which is what a lot of photographers want it for. Vertical grip? Again, just added weight. Buy an R5 or R6 for all around photography. Or an R3 if you really need "beefy". For hiking over hill over dale, up the dusty trail, for shooting small birds, this camera is perfect.
Once Canon release some strong APS-C primes for the RF mount, the R7 will be incredibly difficult for me to deny. This camera has just about everything I'd need in a secondary body already. My dream is a fast aperture prime in the 24, 50, and 135 equivalent ranges and I'll be set along with a high quality zoom (a 24-70/2.8 or 24-105/4 would be ideal.) Plus I wouldn't mind adapting any kind of FF glass to it in a pinch. Hopefully between now and then the price will settle and it will be easy to find a new or like new body for a bit below MSRP.
@@okaro6595 That's EF-M, which would be adapted lens. It's not a bad lens but it is not RF mount. There's rumors of a 33mm f1 RF mount APS-C lens, which sounds great. Hopefully it's a killer lens to kick off their prime APS-size RF lenses. Ultimately the drawbacks of crop sensor cameras do not bother me if the camera's actual performance is great, I just take issue with (quality) wide angle options being available, even just the 18mm to 28mm FF equivalent range is often enough for anything I do.
That's the first R7 review that I can trust! Thanks Chelsea and Tony! Are you considering to make a comparison of the R6 with a 1,4 teleconverter with the R7? I'm really curious to se this
The rp is seriously underrated. I bought it refurbished for $900 and it can no camera at $900 can touch it. And what shocked me was how much sharper the images were versus the 6d2 even with the exact same lens and same conditions. I thought it would be a mirrorless versus of the 6d2 but I was wrong.
Yeah, I got the RP and 24-240 kit lens for under $1500 2 years ago. A heck of a bargain! I'm now running an R6 with 24-105 f/4 lens and am thrilled, but at well over double the price...
@@paparazzininja7897 unfortunately, no. no matter how you take the picture, the rp will take a sharper picture than the 6d2. even on tripod. live view. view finder. it doesn't matter. I used the exact same lens and same conditions and took photos of solid simple objects like soda cans, mugs, wall decorations, etc. I took more complex patterns such as couches, flowers. I used single point one shot and ai servo. Even when you set the rp to eye af and the 6d2 to single point, the eye af will win even on a stationary object like a mannequin. I don't know how they do it. maybe it's just built-in sharpening? i don't know but it's easy to notice. the only advantages the 6d2 has over the rp is frames per second and battery life. but because you won't get the same sharpness, that takes away from the frames per second and it has a lower hit rate. I take more shots but less are usable. I still have my 6d2 but more as a memento (and a camera I can lend to people without worry about what happens to it).
I completely agree with your statement that the R7 is mis-named. I have been shooting wildlife professionally for 40 years, and I purchased the 7DII as my pro-level APS-C unit. I used high-end crop-sensor bodies for the benefits offered by the more concentrated Field of Capture and the pixel-density offered by the the APS-C sensor. I also wanted a fast buffer, serious weather protection and a battery grip to balance heavy super telephoto lenses in the field. Currently I still use the 7DII, along with R5 and R6 units. Canon have been fairly consistent in naming their new R-series MILCs in parallel with the DSLR range. So: the R3 is a high-end sports camera (like the 3D), the R-5 is a great FF general-purpose pro camera like the 5D, and the R6 is a great lower-MP enthusiast and prosumer unit like the 6D series. Logically then, one would expect a camera with the name R7 to match the same market as the 7D series. It doesn't: and Canon have specifically said in a video from Canon Australia that this camera is a replacement for the 90D. So, why was this not called (as you suggest) a 70D, for example? The differences are significant. The R7 is not fully weather-sealed, no battery grip, and has a limited buffer that suffers quickly with overload. This has implications when one wants to shoot fast sequences in RAW. Considering other brands are offering BSI, stacked sensors (my RX-10, which is 4 years old has that), Canon needs to look at that for a camera designed to catch fast-moving subjects. The challenge is that it would put more stress on an already strained buffer. To speed up writing to file, if they had a significantly larger buffer and chose to use the CF-Express type A card slots that are backwardly-compatible with SD cards, this would have eliminated the issue. While this might initially appear nit-picky, my concern is that it opens the question as to whether there will be no real equivalent to the 7D series. LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR that I think that at the PRICE POINT, the R7 offers INCREDIBLE VALUE for money in the areas you mention and AS A SUCCESSOR TO THE 90D; but if falls short in several areas as a successor to the 7D series that is designed for a different market space. I would be happy to pay the extra for a camera with all the features I mentioned, and now am left wondering if that is going to eventuate, with the logical slot in the line-up used by this 90D successor.
@@evabeen4012 This is a more complex question than might appear obvious. There is a series of questions I would ask myself: 1. What is the budget? Usually that is fixed and impacts all other considerations. 2. What kinds of wildlife? Usually that is seen as long-distance works but not always. However, the conditions - bright daylight vs dim bush or forest, even night work have big significance. At that point the light efficiency of the sensor and dynamic range are critical. Also the range of optics available has a huge impact. 3. MOST critical: WHAT WILL YOU PRODUCE? This is rarely asked, but really in the end it's about what you output that counts. There is a huge difference between producing large, detailed Art prints, compared to shooting for digital displays or the web. 4. Ergonomics: You need to consider the controls. I know folks who bought on specs alone and then hated the control and menu systems. 5. What are you prepared to carry? The best camera is useless if you leave it at home because it's too heavy or bulky. To give you a couple of extreme examples. a) Someone has a budget under $2k, is a general photographer who is also casual wildlife shooter, in generally good light and produces images for digital display and the web. Weight and bulk are an issue for them. I would suggest they consider the Sony Rx-10 IV @
@@trevor9934 thanks for your advice! I like to photograph horses, birds and dogs. the photos will be put online and maybe printed out. i have a canon 750d but i would like to take better and faster pictures. my budget for a body is a maximum of 3000euro
@@evabeen4012 What lenses do you have at present? The body is only a part of the story. Arguably, the lens has a greater impact on image quality than the camera.
It's very tough to judge a camera by it's "kit lens"... I notice when you mounted the RF 50 1.2 it produced stunning results. Kit lenses are meant to get you hungry for better lenses, not a long term solution.
I think the problem is that there is not too much really good glass for the Canon mirrorless APS-C size... so, this might be why the kit lens was included in the review...
Generally, I agree. But the 18-150 was well reviewed for the M mount, where it was seen as superior to the "regular" 18-45 mm kit lens and able to resolve well enough for the 32 MP sensor on the M6 II. My experience with both the M6 II and now the R7 has been positive, too. It's a great "walk around" lens
While I can't say I agree with all your findings, I was impressed that you compared the R7 with the RP when most people seem intent on pointing out that the R7 is not an R5. In my case, as a current RP user, the R7 will be an additional body to do best what the RP does worst and still cost the same as one R6 (or a small piece of an R3).
Now that the R8 is out I think all your recommendations for the RP should now be the R8 instead. Is there anything I am missing here? Of coure the R7 and R8 are nearly identical in price so it makes the choice easier if that is your budget.
A lot of people have been waiting for someone with a big following to do a real world R7 video. Thank you. My thoughts on my R7 so far: I find the autofocus to be better than my R6. The auto tracking is cool, the customizable zones, the fact that the Canon f11 lenses have a wider focus area than with the R6 due to the crop, the additional reach of course. My Canon EF 70-200 2.8 L IS appears to be out resolved by the pixel density so I’m thinking others will be also. The mechanical shutter is clanky. I haven’t hit the buffer yet but I mainly shoot in successive bursts of 3 or 4 with bird photography. You can also run the camera in CRaw to extend the buffer. Also, you can use the electronic shutter at 15 FPS instead of 30. Compared to my 7D2, 15 FPS is more than enough for my style anyway. The R6 is a beast at high iso and there is no comparison but almost a week into the R7 I’m enjoying the R6/R7 combo.
What kind of card and raw mode were you using for the buffer tests? You should be getting 150-180 shots before it buffers using CRAW at 15fps with the mechanical on a 300MB/s card. People on forums are confirming these speeds. Otherwise around 50-60 with standard RAW. This is for wildlife, people aren't going to skimp on any of this.
If it's more advanced than the 7D then it's a worthy successor. With the pre-capture feature, focus bracketing, 15-30 frames per second and 32 megapixels it's better than the 7Dm2 and even the D500 in every way that matters to me and I have shot with both of those. You mentioned the grip and the lack of screen on top being reasons it's not an update from the 7D. I don't need the screen on top and I'm sure the grip will be fine. Thanks for the review!
I feel like this is the successor to the 7D line. Because its the first it the line perhaps it should be compared to the 7D rather than the 7D2! Lets wait to see what the R7Mrk2 brings.
As always a great review. The Canon RP sensor is old and does not show the full capabilities. Also you tested the RP with a better lens. The conclusion is that for the same price APS-C give you better video, IBIS and speed. The R7 is showing some rolling shutter. It is time Canon upgrade the RP with a new sensor and processor.
I think the RP is dead. M series will be gone too. They will basically be converting the old DSLR numbers into Mirrorless R numbers, the rest will be gone
@@momo_the_great6969 Well... maybe not. It looks like while they may not do any more M-series development at the moment at least; according to a briefing from Canon, as reported on the 'thephoblographer' website, they were told that the M-series sells very well to a market that values small, compact cameras and interchangeable lenses for convenience, and travel. They obviously see no reason to kill a viable economic market segment - and there is some logic in that. The market is a complex one, reflecting that people take photos for many different reasons and with different budgets and constraints; and with cell phones killing off point and shoot cameras with fixed lenses (in the main), for those who want to bridge the gap between that market and the more expensive and bulkier R-series MILC, an M-series camera makes sense. I contribute to the Canon North America user forum, that takes questions from Canon users with issues or wanting advice. From those submissions a lot of people are still buying and using the M-series gear.
@@momo_the_great6969 the RP is still a good little camera especially for the cost. The better comparison would be between the R7 and the R. The RP is more useful to me at this point given the cost. The R would seriously need to come down in price considering all the competition it has at that price point currently.
Chelsea, the R7 body only sells for $1499. The camera in kit with the RF-S 18-150mm lens costs $1899. Unless my math is off, that's not an add'l $500 for the kit. However, if bought separately the lens alone is selling for $499. Tony, I agree with you. Canon "mis-named" the R7, giving the impression it's a continuation of the 7D series, which it is not. It is more a mirrorless 90D. To the other commenter here, not to worry. I am keeping my two 7DII for a while longer and not ordering a pair of R7s to replace them. There are several aspects of the R7 that really appeal to me, but also a couple things that make it unusable for my particular purposes. I shoot a lot of sports, prefer an APS-C camera that allows me to use more compact, lighter weight telephoto lenses and had been hoping the R7 would be that camera. I reeeeasally want the R7's AF. The mechanical shutter frame rate is great, as are the dual memory card slots and the EVF. However, I also wanted the option to fit a grip and am baffled why Canon didn't simply design the R7 to use the same BG-R10 used by the R6 and R5. The size and footprint of the R7 is different, but so close this should have been a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned. I want a grip both for the second battery (which is the same LP-E6NH used in R6 and R5) and for the vertical controls. I also prefer a removable grip for travel, hiking, biking, etc. I've corresponded with someone about their first use of R7 and am now less concerned about shots per charge and need for the 2nd battery. Originally I was worried because Canon rated the R7 to get a little less than 700 shots out of a fresh battery (not all that great since it doesn't have a built in flash). But the person I chatted with online said he took 3000 shots in four or five hours of shooting (gotta use those high frame rates!) while his daughter took nearly 4000 with a 2nd R7. That's darned good if true and makes me less worried about not having a 2nd battery. But I still want the grip for the vertical control and because it would help the camera balance better with moderately large lenses. Tony and Chelsea, you confirmed another concern: rolling shutter problems when using the electronic shutter, which is the only way to get faster than 15 fps continuous shooting. You clearly illustrated the problems we could expect. I suspected I'd only be able to use the mechanical shutter, but you proved it. Of course the R7 still offers a very respectable 15 fps with that mechaical shutter, up from the 10 fps I have now with my DSLRs. I thought the "pre-shot" feature sounded interesting, but now hearing it requires the e-shutter, I can forget about it too. I also am not happy about the bottlenecking in the buffer or the unique.control layout Canon used with the R7. While I know I could get accustomed to the controls, I often use several cameras alongside each other when shooting sports and it's important their controls be very similar, to be able to switch between cameras quickly and seamlessly. I know from experience that when one camera is different, in rapid sports shooting situations it almost guarantees delays and mistakes. I don't know why Canon felt the need to change the.R7's control layout so much... But they did. I also sort of wish Canon had used a bit of restraint and put a 24MP sensor in the R7, instead of the 32.5MP. In my opinion 24MP would have been plenty for sports and many things (seems sufficient for the $6000 R3) and a nice increase from the 7DII's 20MP. It also might have helped alleviate the buffer bottleneck a bit, and maybe even reduce rolling shutter issues by allowing faster data readout (though a more advanced sensor design would be be needed to truly eliminate most rolling shutter effects). Honestly, the R7 is one heck of a lot of camera for the money, Canon is going to sell a ton of them and a lot of people are going to love ising it! But, for me it comes up short in a few too many ways, even though because of some of its other features (the AF system!) I really, really, really wish I could put a pair of R7s to work!
R7: 1. Just shoot in CRAW and 15 FPS electronic shutter and there will be no buffer issue, 2. If third party could create a :simple battery grip" for the RP, they can also do it for the R7. Shutter button in the "simple battery grip" connects with a short cable with a 3 1/2 jack into the remote shutter port of the camera. Better than no battery grip.
@@set3777 I would say the 3rd party grips are only marginally "better than no grip at all". I use grips on all my cameras as much for the vertical controls as for the add'l battery. The 3rd party grips lack most of the controls... No back button focusing, no AF point/pattern selection. And that external cable for the shutter release wouldn't survive long, I predict! A battery grip also can help a camera balance better with large lens. In the case of the R7, the camera is so close in size to the R6 and R5, you'd think it would have been easy to make the R7 compatible with the BG-R10 they use.
@@alanm.4298 There is no electrical interface insider the battery chamber for the EOS RP not sure about EOS R7. A third part battery grip for the RP with 2 batteries provides vertical handling and a shutter button using a little cable. Half-pressed shutter should do the focusing or touch on touch screen if on tripod. "Half a loaf is better than no bread." The R7 is a Camera for hobbyist. That is why there is SCN modes, automatic panorama, automatic multiple exposure HDR, automatic multi exposure HIGH ISO noise reduction, highlight tone priority , automatic in camera focus stacking etc etc. Many so called Pros, who are deceived to only shoot RAW and always assume ISO is based on film grain size, will quarrel with the R7. Few hobbyist will want a $500 Canon OEM battery grip anyway, so why should Canon design and stock one only for China pirate copy to flood the market. Hobbyists will use CRAW or JPEC instead of complaining about buffer size while shooting RAW and use autoISO (with a max.) instead of complaining of no dial to change ISO manually and use multiple exposures with JPEG instead of complaining about dynamic range and Automatic focus stacking in-camera with the RF 85mm f2.0 macro lens that has very fine focusing gears instead of complaining that that macro lens has slower auto focus when shooting portrait (a L portrait lens focusing gears may be too coarse for macro focus stacking). So it is horses for courses. If "Pros" stop hoarding the R7, the R7 will shine in hobbyists hands and most hobbyists will not use any redundant post processing.
We got ours this week (my son is the primary user) and it’s awesome. His R6 is going away and I am half tempted as well (I use an R5). At least for him the autofocus system seems faster and he has to switch to spot autofocus less often.
@@youknowwho9247 That’s no problem, it’s the opposite. 8 stops VR, the pixel pitch is about the same as in a 50 megapixel full frame. I have the OM-1 and the images are rendered in an awesome quality. Btw.: it has a hand held pixel shift multishot delivering 50 megapixel images, on tripod 80. Integrated ND2 - ND64 and so much more…
@@rolandrick Image stabilisation is useless when subjects are moving and the pixel pitch comparison is useless, given the fact that larger sensor systems offer glass with longer focal lengths. The most reach you can get with MFT is 20 mpix at 800mm equivalent, but that's an f/13 equivalent lens, which is utter garbage. With Canon you get 45 mpix at 500mm or 32 mpix at 750mm with their 100-500. You can crop those options to 800 and get a lot more detail. Or you get the 800mm f/11, which is still faster than the MFT option and will deliver worlds crisper images. Let's not even get into Sony, who offer 60 mpix at 600mm and Nikon, who have 45 mpix at 800mm f/6.3, which blows everything else on the market out of the water. Anyone who thinks that MFT is a good option for wildlife is simply ignorant of proper crop factor conversion and bad at math.
I sold my R5 to get a second R7. Works amazingly well with my "slow" F11 lenses ;) I've never produced so many clean, sharp images in my 20 years of digital photography. Couldn't be happier :)
@@collinsal1433 yes, and while I explain, keep in mind, I consider myself to be a bit of a megapixel freak 🙂 Especially when I did mostly landscapes, I used to do 3 x 3 and even 4 x 4 stitches to make huge 200+ mp images. But anyway, for small birds, here's the thing, "IF" I were always able to get close enough, and didn't have to crop, for sure the R5 would do better. But when you put the 45mp R5 into crop mode, it only makes 17mp, compared to my 32 mp, R7 which is by default "always" in crop mode 🙂 For a full frame camera to make 32 mp in crop mode, that camera would have to be more than 80 MP's !
Great review. I agree, the R7 must be appreciated for what it is, a great wildlife and sports camera for all of us who can't afford the R3 or the R5... As a bonus it's a great all around travel/family camera. I just wish Canon could give us more APS-C lens. I think the R7 will prove to be a commercial succes for Canon and it will likely boost the sales of wildlife lens like the very good 100-500mm... a win for Canon.
Not only could I "afford an R5" but I had one for 14 months. Then I got the R7 and started killing it ! I shot with my R7 exclusively for 5 weeks, and LOVED it ! Then I tried to go back to the R5, and it was loud, bulky, heavy, and just didn't give me the reach I need for the small birds I usually shoot. Nor did it give me the keeper rate. So I sold my R5 to get another R7 + the 100-400 + some other cool peripherals.
I now own a R7, thanks to you (Tony and Chelsea). Previously was in the works to purchase a professional Canon, until wife surprised me with a Rebel t6i. Took us on a cruise instead.😊
Can you review this high megapixel sensor with Sigma 18-35 f1.8 and Sigma 50-100 f1.8. Coz I believe both the lenses were made to resolve enough detail. As R7 is a mirrorless camera so I don't think there should be any auto focus issues just like these lenses have with DSLR's.
I totally understand, I also have the 5Dmk4 and have recently purchased an R6. The R6 has some great features but at the end of the day I still find myself grabbing the 5Dmk4, I just love that camera 👍😎
For a serious amateur doing all around family photography (wild life, grandchildren sports, street, etc) would you recommend the R-7, Fugi XS-20, or OM 5 (or1)?
A lot of good information about the 2 cameras. I use Nikon personally, but it's always nice to get a different perspective. Nice to see Milford Photo mentioned. They have a lot of good online and in person classes, too.
Very nice review. Thank you. Camera manufacturers spend huge resources to bring out products that are as good as they can make them, and it annoys me to see whiney self-appointed You-tubers nit-picking. Your review covered the limitations of the camera is a respectful way, and were happy to stress the strengths. A delight to watch.
Thank you for this guys. I was looking at upgrading to a R8 but started hearing about the R7 and I think that will be best for sports especially with the IBS.
Thank you - very interesting. I'm currently facing the question between these two cameras, and the same two lenses. During 2022 I sold all my DSLR equipment and I now use just my iPhone (14 Pro), and for most things I've found that's absolutely fine. But of course I have nothing beyond 75mm or so, and I'm looking for a low(ish) cost outfit that would cover that. I narrowed down the choice to these two systems, and this video has been helpful. I think I'll go for the R7 + 18-150 initially, then maybe the 100-400 after that.
Similar situation. As a hobbyist, think I'll directly go R7 + RF 100-400mm. And use my Pixel 7 Pro for the closeups. I was considering A6600 + a sigma 100-400 but the R7 + rf100-400 is a lighter combo. Now that I think about it, Pixel 7 & Canon R7 has a better ring to it
@@AmanHathiramani I’ve actually done something a bit different, but still in the same vein. I bought a used RP plus a used RF 70-200 f4, and I’m loving it. Altogether it was about what a new R& + 18-150 would have cost.
i wouldnt say the rp is significantly better in low light, based on the samples you provided both are about equal and aren't impressive. so better go for r7 and apply noise reduction.
Reading out the R7’s high-res sensor seems to be a challenge for e-shutter mode and sports and wildlife. Hoping someone compares the R7 with the OM-1 for those use cases
I think the om1 beats the r7 in every way. 25/50 fps already means that you're gonna get more keepers and it seems like the autofocus is about as good.
@@ryzgms nope. Sorry to break it to you om1 lovers, but, no. The R7 af tracking birds in flight is better than the z9, and waaay better than the om1. I have been out birding with om1 users. The r5 (me) and r3 users all have plenty of bif, swallows inflight & dragonflys in flight, shots to share. The several experienced om1 users, none.
I think a side by side comparison with the 7D Mark II would make a great video. A lot a people have forgotten that it is about taking photos. Strange evaluation of the cameras with different lenses. The nifty 50 would still be in peoples budget.
While I appreciate say nice things about cheaper cameras when possible but did you notice that you can buy both the RP and the R7 for the price of an R6 (or an R7 and an R6 for the price of an R5 if you consider the extra cost of the CF-Express card). I don't know about you, but I have lost too many shots changing lenses when something came up unexpected so I like that option. Did you compare the two using the 24-240 on each. I have both the R7 and the RP and use each for what it is better for. To me IBIS and using the larger battery is worth the price difference but for tripod landscapes the RP does win.
The limited availability of RF-S lenses is not a pronlem if one ne plans to keep 2 bodies: I have an R , so I will be using all my RF glasses on still portraits landscapes, and use RF lenses + R7 for sport and wildlife . My question is: withba similar cost , would you suggest to buy the R7 and keep the R or try to sell the R , not to buy the R7 and go for an R5 ?? Thanks !
30fps with rolling shutter negates the value of 30fps. What use is a high frame rate if moving subjects are distorted. 15fps is still good, but 30fps seems useless here. Thanks for the review.
So many cameras are like this, it's just a bullet point to put on advertising. No one will actually use it because if you need 30fps, you're shooting something that will warp.
I found that while the RP produced lower noise at high ISO it still was not good enough to necessarily make it a preferable camera for high ISO as the ISO was still poor in my opinion.
@@Quoutub isnt the 30fps only 12bit ? vs the 14bit of the 15fps raw. The 30fps rolling shutter of the R7 looks quite bad indeed. My R5 20fps rolling shutter is not nearly as bad, but, it still means about half of my bif shots need to be discarded due to funky bent wing tips.
By the way, regarding an object at a fixed distance, the rolling shutter effect becomes smaller, the smaller the focal length is. So if you want to take a photo of a fast object and want to shoot in raw, but with 50% less rolling shutter, you just need to use a focal length that is 50% smaller and then crop the image. The disadvantage is that the object will have more noise and fewer pixels. An alternative is using the 4k crop 60 fps video mode, which will have less rolling shutter as well, but won't give you raw files.
I think the most desirable RP kit is pairing it with RF 24-105 F4 L. The only way R7 can match that in a good way would be an RF-S 15-65 F2.8... but I don't think it will be happening anytime soon.
I found the RF14-35 and RF16 to be wide enough to shoot Horseshoe Bend, which is one of the wider landscapes shots one would need to take on an any camera. The shot would have been easier on my R5, no doubt. But the point is that, paired with the two lenses I mentioned, the R7 is wide enough for just about anything.
So Tony and Chelsea ( and readers) , what do you think will provide a sharper image at 400mm; the R7 with the sharpest Canon EF 100-400 Mk II or an R5 cropped to the equivalent with the same lens? Wondering if this R7 sensor is worth trading old 100-400 mk1 for new mk II
It would be very close but the R7 has a higher pixel density... But with that zoom at the long end you'll likely never see a difference in real world shooting.
The ef 100-400mk 1 was released in 1998, and is soft by todays standards. My ef 100-400mk2 has similar iq to my rf100-500, but doesnt eye track af nearly as well as the rf lens. The ef 100-400mk2 eye tracks ok on my r5 until you put a 1.4x on, then the part stops... eye tracking is slow and erratic.
Nice review - thanks! However, I am interested in how the R7 with the 100-500mm lens compares to the Nikon D500 with the venerable 200-500mm when shooting wildlife, birds, and sports? After all, this was your previous recommended rig for wildlife. Further, you can get this previous recommended combo for way less than the Canon outfit?
I was almost set to buy the Canon m6ii, until this camera came around R7. Definitely a lot to like. In a sense it is an upgrade to m6ii and the Canon 90D. The only question is what is more important to someone buying: fast speed 15fps mechanical great for wildlife and sports and 4K full screen in R7, or the somewhat better image quality of the full frame RP in low light and less noise but 4K is limited, HD is fine though, but fps is slower for action in RP.
Well, if you got an R6, you'd have both. I had the RP and really liked it, but it was very slow. The R6 felt like a beast in comparison. I went an R7 to back it up for wildlife and astro shots.
I agree. Gotta say, I like the fullframe performance. I crop a lot so that detail is going to help. Going from apsc to fullframe brings along some lens issues though. Grown to like the crop factor.
Seeing the portrait lenses reminded me of a comment I saw for the R8. Someone was suggesting putting a large heavy lens on an R8 which is a much lighter body could lead to balance issues in that it moves the center of moss forward beyond the body of the camera. Did you find this at all with the RP?
One thing that was not mentioned is the difference in batteries: LPe17 (RP) vs LP-e6nh. I own an RP and love it despite its limitations EXCEPT for those damned batteries. They die quickly (and have a curious habit of running out in the middle of my shoots), cost as much if not more than the ubiquitous LP-e6 and are rarely in stock. If I didn’t already own an RP, between the two I would probably pick the R7 on account of the battery alone.
@@jonathandelreal7808 Yeah - I typically shoot much more than that for events. What’s more problematic is the battery drain when recording video or shooting RAW+JPG via viewfinder. I’m finding I get around 600-700 photos or just under an hour of solely video recording. I turn my power off between video takes or during breaks in the action.
Great presentation and comparison. Please make a video on how the camera works with S and non-S type lenses with the R-mount and how the camera works with the adapter and old EOS lenses.
The R7 with the EL-5 is a great combo. The EL-5 will cover all the way out to 200 mm. What’s more is that it’s rate of flash is very high so if you require it for action shots then it’s fantastic. Like at a basketball game!
I'm thinking of upgrading from my Fuji X-T2 for portraits and sports (track & field mainly). Is this a good move? Or should I be checking out something else? I get very few misses with the way I have the Fuji set up, but I feel that autofocus has improved since that model across the board. Not excluding Nikon either, if there's something out there.
Great video, you guys are awesome. I just ordered an R7 last night and I get it on Fri. Can't wait to use it! I had an 80D but it got ruined with a little water accident and I had to go back to using my super T6 that shoots at an amazing 3 fps, ha!
I'm looking to get a body to go with a 100-500mm RF, for wildlife stills. Wondering - if the rolling shutter artefacts make the 30 frames/sec shooting not-very-usable for fast-moving subjects and you end up using mechanical at about 5fps, why not go with the RP which can shoot at that speed and has other advantages? Does R7 have better animal/bird auto focus?
Hi, I have one question that is most important to me as an event photographer, is it with the EF-EFS lens adapter in video photography Decreases the number of frames from 50 to 25 as in the camera R ? And thanks for the video, I really liked
What do you think about speed-boosters for canon r7. I hear the canon has some purple fringing but the 2 viltrox s.boosters seem good? There aren’t any reviews for photo and none comparing the canon to the 2 viltrox. Now canon has good crop bodies but limited crop lenses. So it seems like a possible work around but I’d like to be sure before recommending to friends looking to get into photography. Reviews please? 🙏
Your reviews are great, but please can you help me decide which camera to buy for wildlife, especially bird photography?How does the Canon R7 stack up against the R5? I have searched but cannot find anyone who has compared the two and yet they appear to compete with each other in many ways. The R5 can even use a crop mode that makes it have similar image size to the R7. Is it just a case of ‘you get what you pay for’?
Somewhere in this comments section another R6 + R7 owner said that the R6 cropped in on a distant bird is cleaner than the R7 due to the much lower noise.
Hi, I have one question that is most important to me as an event photographer, is it with the EF-EFS lens adapter in video photography Decreases the number of frames from 50 to 25 as in the camera R ?
Does the lock button actually lock the mode dial? Very annoying when the Mode Dial spins on you and continue shooting in the wrong mode. I tested out the T7i in Yosemite once, and dial will easily free spin on you if you don't monitor it.
I have had an R7 for the best part of a year now, that I bought for travelling, but I find the 18-15mm kit lens it came with a tiny bit soft. I have had Canon 1D bodies for many years, and only have L lenses to use with them. So I am wondering what would be a good zoom lens to travel with for the R7? I expect you already have a video, so I'll stop being lazy and go hunt that down when I post this. I am thinking something like the 24-105mm F4L IS. I also hate not having a speedlite, so I am looking at the Godox TT350c (I have a V1 for my DSLRs - which I bought when my 580EX2s died many years ago.)
Just got the r7. Owned only 5d mark II and eos rp so far. Have to say im just really impressed on how well the sensor is dealing with the high ISO. with the eos RP even as a FF sensor most of the time i was afraid to go even above 1600 ISO which resulted in a lot of noise in low light... But this one for the price is just amazing. Initially i bought the r7 for the autofocus and FPS performance. I have a feeling now for my budget this is a jackpot of a camera. And i decided to go for it after watching your reviews as always so thank you for the work that you both put to inform people as well
Just a question generally for whole R cameras, do you use electronic 1st curtain most of the time? Does it affect bokeh quality / cut off bokeh in your use?
It’s probably the best aps-c camera on the market, but could have been much better. The shutter roll problem has been a problem with this camera, and now shown right here in the video. When the R5 first came out, it also exhibited some shutter roll (wasn’t as bad as the stuff shown on the R7). And now, Canon fixed the R5 and it’s better than the more expensive Nikon Z9. Although Nikon claims it’s new firmware 2.1 will address those problems and bring it up to par with the R5. That means the Nortrups must retest the Z9 with the firmware update against the R5. I bet the lighter, more efficient R5 will still be the winner.
@@p3rrypm nah. the fuji autofocus is crap, it misses much which makes its 40fps useless. and basically both would be about the same usable images or canon even more usable images. plus the canon would do better in video autofocus as well.
@@ytr8989 I just wish canon made new wildlife lenses. Nikon has the 500pf and now the 400 4.5, also the 300pf. Canon has either the big whites or a 30 year old 400 5.6/300 4. It makes no sense. Its time to make something for normal people
What would you recommend as a best beginner sports primary and daily shooter if not going the Canon route? I really like the R7, though the buffer seems crappy / filled too quickly. I really just don't want to support Canon with their latest business decisions and buy into the meager RF lens lineup.
Firstly brilliant review. What I was very disappointed with was the noise level on some of your pictures which I assume is because of the sensor size. I have a 6D mk2 just now and was thinking of selling for the R7 but after your review I'm having 2nd thoughts - so thank you for saving me a bundle !
I don't know, pixel peeping always leaves a sour taste in the mouth, even for excellent sensors. If you have the 6D MK2, that's your sensor in the RP. I don't know, I thought the pictures of the heron from the R7 was stunning...
The spec suggest this camera is a repackaged M6 Mk2, perhaps with a better EVF and an fully articulated screen. The M6 Mk2 is presently selling for $850. I have been using the M6 Mk2 as a backup or when I need a smaller camera to keep people from shying away.
After adjusting the dials so that in the "M" mode they work the same as in the "Av" mode, to have the aperture under the index finger and the shutter speed under the thumb - during exposure bracketing (AEB) in manual mode (M), the camera takes subsequent photos by changing the aperture value instead of exposure time value, which causes the depth of field to change in subsequent photos. In this case, all the photos are useless and there is nothing you can do with them. What should I do to make the camera change the exposure time and not the aperture value during exposure bracketing in manual mode, so as to have different exposures with the same depth of field? I would like to mention that this problem does not occur in another Canon camera that I have, so it is probably a software error.
I have an R6 and an RP. I shoot occasional weddings, but I'm considering replacing the RP with the R7 just to have the utility of a sports/wildlife capability of the R7.
I caught a lot of flack at the final announcement over saying I was disappointed. But it was 100% because it was not the 7D replacement based on the build and sealing. Like Tony said, this is the mid-tier where the 90D left off, not where the 7D left off. I, like many others, was expecting the mirrorless 7D. But then, I was also expecting a much higher price point, like, 2000 or more (very early in the rumors I even said as much as 2500). I am not disappointed by what it is, only by what it is not and was at the very least hoping for. I agree it is one hell of a camera for its price point, and that this was probably the right move at this time for Canon rather than a more expensive, likely bulkier, 7D replacement. Which, I do think will happen eventually too. But not until after the R1 now. So probably at least 2 years. I would say, I didn't notice you pointing out the lack of a battery grip, as well as all the features that it would need to have in order to eventually have one (if you did, I just don't recall lol). I felt that right there was the big ball drop by Canon. How in the F did they do that to this model? And its not even a "maybe eventually" thing, it doesn't have any of the features needed for a proper grip (no alignment holes, no release lever on the battery door, no electrical contacts on the inside for the pins). Even the camera series it is an obvious replacement for can take a grip. Just feels like a very odd omission.
I wonder how it compares with the Nikon D500 which is the Nikon equivalent to the 7D. The R7 has faster shutter burst but could have a better buffer time perhaps?
@@nordic5490 Different folks have different situations. I shoot with battery grips on all of my DSLRs, and my R5 and R6 units: not only for the extended battery capacity, but for the improved CoG that brings it back towards the body when using large, heavy super tele lenses. Also, I like the extra set of controls that comes with the grips for shooting in portrait mode. Different strokes for different folks...
@@trevor9934 I'd never see more weight as an advantage. And I always hold the lens so cog isn't something I personally think about. I'd never want to just hold the camera with a big lens attached. I think they are an acquired taste and adding to the price for this camera wouldn't be a good move. But yeah different strokes is true
i bought the R7 ,(i have R6) i think the auto focus and the speed are realy great and i doo bird most of the time ,when you have the bird close enough it is fine but when the birds are far away and you have to crop the picture it is bad it gets very noise, the R 6 does it better there
Your videos are my go too I need or opinion if you would photography is a hobby I am retired. I bought the R7 when it came out nature animals landscape stars Milky Way. My favorite now that the R5 mark two came out the r5 has gone down in price your opinion to upgrade to the R5. Thank you so much for your time.
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Great video!
You always compared the AF to the R5, is it safe to assume the R6 is the same as R5? Id be more interested in an R6 to R7 comp personally.
@@alankirby3839 Yeah the R6's AF is about the same as the R5. They're really similar to the R7. It's all really good.
@@TonyAndChelsea NO, R7 is not similar, it's better than the R6 and R5, it's more similar to the R3 / it has another layer of tracking ability and stickier than the R5 or R6 Also, recapture that non of the Sony body has even the A1; i have them all.
@@TonyAndChelsea great! thanks.
I called them after the video posted...no stock but they took my info. Honestly never expected to hear from them...guess who called today?! YES! Should be getting my kit in time for the weekend! Woohoo!
Thanks! This isn’t the first of your videos I’ve watched and learned from, but it’s the first I’ve seen a “thanks” button on. High time! Looking forward to more of your comprehensive and useful videos.
If (as you noted) you had a better lens mounted on the RP, why not put that same lens on the R7 and compare its portrait results with the RP? It's hardly fair to test a camera with a cheapo kit lens against one with a mid-range lens. When you matched them with F/1.2 L lenses, the only real difference was the increased DOF of a crop sensor, which is to be expected.
I agree with you John, both bodies have the SAME lens mount.....(maybe Tony was thinking M and RF and not RF and RF ) these folks sometimes makes me want to double scratch my head. I put my R7 on the 800 f11... Whao!! and on my 400mm F2.8 WHOA!!!! R7 with R3 focus engine...amazing. awesome for 1,400 bucks.
They compared similarly priced set-ups, because people usually have a budget.
@@smaakjeks and yet they also put it on the 100-500, because people buying the R7 for wildlife want good images. The R7 is only $500 more than the RP, so not a huge leap. They were supposed to be comparing the sensors, but it was really a lens comparison.
No kit lens is going to compare with an L lens or even the midrange zooms. T&C should have made it clearer that they were comparing apples to oranges, and why.
@@JohnDrummondPhoto You're entitled to your opinion.
It's doesn't matter , she is switching soon :)
one of the best r7 videos so far. very unbiased, well done Tony and Chelsea.
7D mark II users who are complaining, please stick to the 7D mark II so those who care about performance and are waiting for delivery of the r7 can get theirs in time.
At first I was slightly disappointed with the robustness of R7. But there had been 0 occasions where my 7D mark2 robustness was put into tests. So it's not a big deal
Yes 🤣 I'm shooting with a Canon rebel t5 so this would be a huge upgrade
@@hubcityrez6058 T6 shooter here... I feel you Dude!
Same sensor dynamic range as M6ii (and better than 7Dii). Ibis is not a reason for me to sell my m6ii and pay thousands of dollars for much bulkier lenses. I wait for M7.
@@barkan86 I don't believe that's going to happen. I'm shooting on an m6ii for wildlife, and while I think it's decent for that, it really wasn't made for it. The r7 is going to be much better which is why I'm upgrading. If you're waiting for another M camera, you'll be waiting for an eternity since I don't believe they will be making any new M series cameras. Plus an "M7" would be worse. An "M5ii" would be the one to look for.
Thank you for sharing. I upgraded from Canon EOS M6 (APSC), to Canon EOS RP with good quality Canon lenses, following some reviews you made in the past and I am so happy with this step.
100% agree on the misname - the body, ergonomics etc to me say it should be the R70, leaving room for a similarly spec’d, beefier body, R5/6 button layout, a true R7!
Still tempted to get one as my stationary backup wedding video camera as it goes beyond 30min without an external recorder!
So, if the body was beefier, but otherwise it had the same specs, it would be a "true" R7? Personally I think the smaller, lighter body is a huge plus. Why carry more weight than you have to? Especially if you are using this camera outdoors for wildlife, which is what a lot of photographers want it for. Vertical grip? Again, just added weight. Buy an R5 or R6 for all around photography. Or an R3 if you really need "beefy". For hiking over hill over dale, up the dusty trail, for shooting small birds, this camera is perfect.
Once Canon release some strong APS-C primes for the RF mount, the R7 will be incredibly difficult for me to deny. This camera has just about everything I'd need in a secondary body already. My dream is a fast aperture prime in the 24, 50, and 135 equivalent ranges and I'll be set along with a high quality zoom (a 24-70/2.8 or 24-105/4 would be ideal.) Plus I wouldn't mind adapting any kind of FF glass to it in a pinch. Hopefully between now and then the price will settle and it will be easy to find a new or like new body for a bit below MSRP.
I got interested initially, but there seems to be s bunch of caveats. 4k 60 limitations is a dealbreaker for me.
There is already RF 85 mm f/2 and Canon will release the 32 mm f/1.4 for RF-S.
@@okaro6595 32 f1.4 sounds juicy ngl
@@okaro6595 That's EF-M, which would be adapted lens. It's not a bad lens but it is not RF mount. There's rumors of a 33mm f1 RF mount APS-C lens, which sounds great. Hopefully it's a killer lens to kick off their prime APS-size RF lenses.
Ultimately the drawbacks of crop sensor cameras do not bother me if the camera's actual performance is great, I just take issue with (quality) wide angle options being available, even just the 18mm to 28mm FF equivalent range is often enough for anything I do.
Sigma will do it if there is enough demand.
That's the first R7 review that I can trust! Thanks Chelsea and Tony! Are you considering to make a comparison of the R6 with a 1,4 teleconverter with the R7? I'm really curious to se this
The rp is seriously underrated. I bought it refurbished for $900 and it can no camera at $900 can touch it. And what shocked me was how much sharper the images were versus the 6d2 even with the exact same lens and same conditions. I thought it would be a mirrorless versus of the 6d2 but I was wrong.
Yeah the RP is an amazing camera. I recommend it constantly and we still use it for video in our podcast and news formats.
Yeah, I got the RP and 24-240 kit lens for under $1500 2 years ago. A heck of a bargain! I'm now running an R6 with 24-105 f/4 lens and am thrilled, but at well over double the price...
What if you use Live view with 6D II? Should be just the same then.
@@paparazzininja7897 unfortunately, no. no matter how you take the picture, the rp will take a sharper picture than the 6d2. even on tripod. live view. view finder. it doesn't matter. I used the exact same lens and same conditions and took photos of solid simple objects like soda cans, mugs, wall decorations, etc. I took more complex patterns such as couches, flowers. I used single point one shot and ai servo. Even when you set the rp to eye af and the 6d2 to single point, the eye af will win even on a stationary object like a mannequin. I don't know how they do it. maybe it's just built-in sharpening? i don't know but it's easy to notice. the only advantages the 6d2 has over the rp is frames per second and battery life. but because you won't get the same sharpness, that takes away from the frames per second and it has a lower hit rate. I take more shots but less are usable. I still have my 6d2 but more as a memento (and a camera I can lend to people without worry about what happens to it).
I completely agree with your statement that the R7 is mis-named. I have been shooting wildlife professionally for 40 years, and I purchased the 7DII as my pro-level APS-C unit. I used high-end crop-sensor bodies for the benefits offered by the more concentrated Field of Capture and the pixel-density offered by the the APS-C sensor. I also wanted a fast buffer, serious weather protection and a battery grip to balance heavy super telephoto lenses in the field. Currently I still use the 7DII, along with R5 and R6 units.
Canon have been fairly consistent in naming their new R-series MILCs in parallel with the DSLR range. So: the R3 is a high-end sports camera (like the 3D), the R-5 is a great FF general-purpose pro camera like the 5D, and the R6 is a great lower-MP enthusiast and prosumer unit like the 6D series. Logically then, one would expect a camera with the name R7 to match the same market as the 7D series. It doesn't: and Canon have specifically said in a video from Canon Australia that this camera is a replacement for the 90D. So, why was this not called (as you suggest) a 70D, for example?
The differences are significant. The R7 is not fully weather-sealed, no battery grip, and has a limited buffer that suffers quickly with overload. This has implications when one wants to shoot fast sequences in RAW. Considering other brands are offering BSI, stacked sensors (my RX-10, which is 4 years old has that), Canon needs to look at that for a camera designed to catch fast-moving subjects. The challenge is that it would put more stress on an already strained buffer. To speed up writing to file, if they had a significantly larger buffer and chose to use the CF-Express type A card slots that are backwardly-compatible with SD cards, this would have eliminated the issue.
While this might initially appear nit-picky, my concern is that it opens the question as to whether there will be no real equivalent to the 7D series.
LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR that I think that at the PRICE POINT, the R7 offers INCREDIBLE VALUE for money in the areas you mention and AS A SUCCESSOR TO THE 90D; but if falls short in several areas as a successor to the 7D series that is designed for a different market space. I would be happy to pay the extra for a camera with all the features I mentioned, and now am left wondering if that is going to eventuate, with the logical slot in the line-up used by this 90D successor.
Which camera do you think is the best for wildlife photos?
@@evabeen4012 This is a more complex question than might appear obvious. There is a series of questions I would ask myself:
1. What is the budget? Usually that is fixed and impacts all other considerations.
2. What kinds of wildlife? Usually that is seen as long-distance works but not always. However, the conditions - bright daylight vs dim bush or forest, even night work have big significance. At that point the light efficiency of the sensor and dynamic range are critical. Also the range of optics available has a huge impact.
3. MOST critical: WHAT WILL YOU PRODUCE? This is rarely asked, but really in the end it's about what you output that counts. There is a huge difference between producing large, detailed Art prints, compared to shooting for digital displays or the web.
4. Ergonomics: You need to consider the controls. I know folks who bought on specs alone and then hated the control and menu systems.
5. What are you prepared to carry? The best camera is useless if you leave it at home because it's too heavy or bulky.
To give you a couple of extreme examples.
a) Someone has a budget under $2k, is a general photographer who is also casual wildlife shooter, in generally good light and produces images for digital display and the web. Weight and bulk are an issue for them. I would suggest they consider the Sony Rx-10 IV @
@@trevor9934 thanks for your advice! I like to photograph horses, birds and dogs. the photos will be put online and maybe printed out. i have a canon 750d but i would like to take better and faster pictures. my budget for a body is a maximum of 3000euro
@@evabeen4012 What lenses do you have at present? The body is only a part of the story. Arguably, the lens has a greater impact on image quality than the camera.
Also, where in Europe are you?
It's very tough to judge a camera by it's "kit lens"... I notice when you mounted the RF 50 1.2 it produced stunning results. Kit lenses are meant to get you hungry for better lenses, not a long term solution.
I think the problem is that there is not too much really good glass for the Canon mirrorless APS-C size... so, this might be why the kit lens was included in the review...
Generally, I agree. But the 18-150 was well reviewed for the M mount, where it was seen as superior to the "regular" 18-45 mm kit lens and able to resolve well enough for the 32 MP sensor on the M6 II. My experience with both the M6 II and now the R7 has been positive, too. It's a great "walk around" lens
While I can't say I agree with all your findings, I was impressed that you compared the R7 with the RP when most people seem intent on pointing out that the R7 is not an R5. In my case, as a current RP user, the R7 will be an additional body to do best what the RP does worst and still cost the same as one R6 (or a small piece of an R3).
That's a great take. I agree with your reasoning.
Now that the R8 is out I think all your recommendations for the RP should now be the R8 instead. Is there anything I am missing here? Of coure the R7 and R8 are nearly identical in price so it makes the choice easier if that is your budget.
LOVE you guys, TYSM for your balanced and unbiased assessments of new releases that matter, subscribed, liked and commented!
A lot of people have been waiting for someone with a big following to do a real world R7 video. Thank you. My thoughts on my R7 so far:
I find the autofocus to be better than my R6. The auto tracking is cool, the customizable zones, the fact that the Canon f11 lenses have a wider focus area than with the R6 due to the crop, the additional reach of course. My Canon EF 70-200 2.8 L IS appears to be out resolved by the pixel density so I’m thinking others will be also. The mechanical shutter is clanky. I haven’t hit the buffer yet but I mainly shoot in successive bursts of 3 or 4 with bird photography. You can also run the camera in CRaw to extend the buffer. Also, you can use the electronic shutter at 15 FPS instead of 30. Compared to my 7D2, 15 FPS is more than enough for my style anyway. The R6 is a beast at high iso and there is no comparison but almost a week into the R7 I’m enjoying the R6/R7 combo.
very important is that in (lossless) cRAW you can shoot much longer, 5+secs and 250+ photos! BIG difference
Very nice of Milford Photo getting the R7 for you to do this review. Been waiting for this because I have a friend on the fence with this camera.
What kind of card and raw mode were you using for the buffer tests? You should be getting 150-180 shots before it buffers using CRAW at 15fps with the mechanical on a 300MB/s card. People on forums are confirming these speeds. Otherwise around 50-60 with standard RAW. This is for wildlife, people aren't going to skimp on any of this.
Among so so many reviews I found this one absolutely decision making review....I have full clarity now
If it's more advanced than the 7D then it's a worthy successor. With the pre-capture feature, focus bracketing, 15-30 frames per second and 32 megapixels it's better than the 7Dm2 and even the D500 in every way that matters to me and I have shot with both of those. You mentioned the grip and the lack of screen on top being reasons it's not an update from the 7D. I don't need the screen on top and I'm sure the grip will be fine. Thanks for the review!
I feel like this is the successor to the 7D line. Because its the first it the line perhaps it should be compared to the 7D rather than the 7D2! Lets wait to see what the R7Mrk2 brings.
I live on a different continent, but you have my respect for working with local a camera store. They have become a rare sight.
As always a great review. The Canon RP sensor is old and does not show the full capabilities. Also you tested the RP with a better lens. The conclusion is that for the same price APS-C give you better video, IBIS and speed. The R7 is showing some rolling shutter. It is time Canon upgrade the RP with a new sensor and processor.
I think the RP is dead. M series will be gone too. They will basically be converting the old DSLR numbers into Mirrorless R numbers, the rest will be gone
@@momo_the_great6969 Well... maybe not. It looks like while they may not do any more M-series development at the moment at least; according to a briefing from Canon, as reported on the 'thephoblographer' website, they were told that the M-series sells very well to a market that values small, compact cameras and interchangeable lenses for convenience, and travel. They obviously see no reason to kill a viable economic market segment - and there is some logic in that.
The market is a complex one, reflecting that people take photos for many different reasons and with different budgets and constraints; and with cell phones killing off point and shoot cameras with fixed lenses (in the main), for those who want to bridge the gap between that market and the more expensive and bulkier R-series MILC, an M-series camera makes sense. I contribute to the Canon North America user forum, that takes questions from Canon users with issues or wanting advice. From those submissions a lot of people are still buying and using the M-series gear.
@@momo_the_great6969 the RP is still a good little camera especially for the cost. The better comparison would be between the R7 and the R. The RP is more useful to me at this point given the cost. The R would seriously need to come down in price considering all the competition it has at that price point currently.
Chelsea, the R7 body only sells for $1499. The camera in kit with the RF-S 18-150mm lens costs $1899. Unless my math is off, that's not an add'l $500 for the kit. However, if bought separately the lens alone is selling for $499.
Tony, I agree with you. Canon "mis-named" the R7, giving the impression it's a continuation of the 7D series, which it is not. It is more a mirrorless 90D.
To the other commenter here, not to worry. I am keeping my two 7DII for a while longer and not ordering a pair of R7s to replace them. There are several aspects of the R7 that really appeal to me, but also a couple things that make it unusable for my particular purposes. I shoot a lot of sports, prefer an APS-C camera that allows me to use more compact, lighter weight telephoto lenses and had been hoping the R7 would be that camera.
I reeeeasally want the R7's AF. The mechanical shutter frame rate is great, as are the dual memory card slots and the EVF.
However, I also wanted the option to fit a grip and am baffled why Canon didn't simply design the R7 to use the same BG-R10 used by the R6 and R5. The size and footprint of the R7 is different, but so close this should have been a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned. I want a grip both for the second battery (which is the same LP-E6NH used in R6 and R5) and for the vertical controls. I also prefer a removable grip for travel, hiking, biking, etc.
I've corresponded with someone about their first use of R7 and am now less concerned about shots per charge and need for the 2nd battery. Originally I was worried because Canon rated the R7 to get a little less than 700 shots out of a fresh battery (not all that great since it doesn't have a built in flash). But the person I chatted with online said he took 3000 shots in four or five hours of shooting (gotta use those high frame rates!) while his daughter took nearly 4000 with a 2nd R7. That's darned good if true and makes me less worried about not having a 2nd battery. But I still want the grip for the vertical control and because it would help the camera balance better with moderately large lenses.
Tony and Chelsea, you confirmed another concern: rolling shutter problems when using the electronic shutter, which is the only way to get faster than 15 fps continuous shooting. You clearly illustrated the problems we could expect. I suspected I'd only be able to use the mechanical shutter, but you proved it. Of course the R7 still offers a very respectable 15 fps with that mechaical shutter, up from the 10 fps I have now with my DSLRs.
I thought the "pre-shot" feature sounded interesting, but now hearing it requires the e-shutter, I can forget about it too.
I also am not happy about the bottlenecking in the buffer or the unique.control layout Canon used with the R7. While I know I could get accustomed to the controls, I often use several cameras alongside each other when shooting sports and it's important their controls be very similar, to be able to switch between cameras quickly and seamlessly. I know from experience that when one camera is different, in rapid sports shooting situations it almost guarantees delays and mistakes. I don't know why Canon felt the need to change the.R7's control layout so much... But they did.
I also sort of wish Canon had used a bit of restraint and put a 24MP sensor in the R7, instead of the 32.5MP. In my opinion 24MP would have been plenty for sports and many things (seems sufficient for the $6000 R3) and a nice increase from the 7DII's 20MP. It also might have helped alleviate the buffer bottleneck a bit, and maybe even reduce rolling shutter issues by allowing faster data readout (though a more advanced sensor design would be be needed to truly eliminate most rolling shutter effects).
Honestly, the R7 is one heck of a lot of camera for the money, Canon is going to sell a ton of them and a lot of people are going to love ising it! But, for me it comes up short in a few too many ways, even though because of some of its other features (the AF system!) I really, really, really wish I could put a pair of R7s to work!
R7:
1. Just shoot in CRAW and 15 FPS electronic shutter and there will be no buffer issue,
2. If third party could create a :simple battery grip" for the RP, they can also do it for the R7.
Shutter button in the "simple battery grip" connects with a short cable with a 3 1/2 jack into the remote shutter port of the camera.
Better than no battery grip.
@@set3777 I would say the 3rd party grips are only marginally "better than no grip at all". I use grips on all my cameras as much for the vertical controls as for the add'l battery. The 3rd party grips lack most of the controls... No back button focusing, no AF point/pattern selection. And that external cable for the shutter release wouldn't survive long, I predict! A battery grip also can help a camera balance better with large lens.
In the case of the R7, the camera is so close in size to the R6 and R5, you'd think it would have been easy to make the R7 compatible with the BG-R10 they use.
@@alanm.4298 There is no electrical interface insider the battery chamber for the EOS RP not sure about EOS R7. A third part battery grip for the RP with 2 batteries provides vertical handling and a shutter button using a little cable. Half-pressed shutter should do the focusing or touch on touch screen if on tripod.
"Half a loaf is better than no bread."
The R7 is a Camera for hobbyist. That is why there is SCN modes, automatic panorama, automatic multiple exposure HDR, automatic multi exposure HIGH ISO noise reduction, highlight tone priority , automatic in camera focus stacking etc etc.
Many so called Pros, who are deceived to only shoot RAW and always assume ISO is based on film grain size, will quarrel with the R7. Few hobbyist will want a $500 Canon OEM battery grip anyway, so why should Canon design and stock one only for China pirate copy to flood the market. Hobbyists will use CRAW or JPEC instead of complaining about buffer size while shooting RAW and use autoISO (with a max.) instead of complaining of no dial to change ISO manually and use multiple exposures with JPEG instead of complaining about dynamic range and Automatic focus stacking in-camera with the RF 85mm f2.0 macro lens that has very fine focusing gears instead of complaining that that macro lens has slower auto focus when shooting portrait (a L portrait lens focusing gears may be too coarse for macro focus stacking).
So it is horses for courses.
If "Pros" stop hoarding the R7, the R7 will shine in hobbyists hands and most hobbyists will not use any redundant post processing.
We got ours this week (my son is the primary user) and it’s awesome. His R6 is going away and I am half tempted as well (I use an R5). At least for him the autofocus system seems faster and he has to switch to spot autofocus less often.
9:52, OM-1 does 50 fps raw, up to 1 second (50 frames) in ProCapture SH2 mode and has no rolling shutter (BSI stacked sensor)
Q: offers the R3 also burst mode?
It's also got a tiny MFT sensor which comes with ridiculously overpriced lenses and garbage image quality at 20 mpix.
@@youknowwho9247 That’s no problem, it’s the opposite. 8 stops VR, the pixel pitch is about the same as in a 50 megapixel full frame. I have the OM-1 and the images are rendered in an awesome quality. Btw.: it has a hand held pixel shift multishot delivering 50 megapixel images, on tripod 80. Integrated ND2 - ND64 and so much more…
@@rolandrick Image stabilisation is useless when subjects are moving and the pixel pitch comparison is useless, given the fact that larger sensor systems offer glass with longer focal lengths. The most reach you can get with MFT is 20 mpix at 800mm equivalent, but that's an f/13 equivalent lens, which is utter garbage. With Canon you get 45 mpix at 500mm or 32 mpix at 750mm with their 100-500. You can crop those options to 800 and get a lot more detail. Or you get the 800mm f/11, which is still faster than the MFT option and will deliver worlds crisper images. Let's not even get into Sony, who offer 60 mpix at 600mm and Nikon, who have 45 mpix at 800mm f/6.3, which blows everything else on the market out of the water.
Anyone who thinks that MFT is a good option for wildlife is simply ignorant of proper crop factor conversion and bad at math.
@@youknowwho9247 Got ya again - no hobbys? Go out and make Pictures man
I sold my R5 to get a second R7. Works amazingly well with my "slow" F11 lenses ;) I've never produced so many clean, sharp images in my 20 years of digital photography. Couldn't be happier :)
Even though the R5 is 45 megapixels, you’re saying that the R7 produced better quality images for you?
@@collinsal1433 yes, and while I explain, keep in mind, I consider myself to be a bit of a megapixel freak 🙂 Especially when I did mostly landscapes, I used to do 3 x 3 and even 4 x 4 stitches to make huge 200+ mp images.
But anyway, for small birds, here's the thing, "IF" I were always able to get close enough, and didn't have to crop, for sure the R5 would do better. But when you put the 45mp R5 into crop mode, it only makes 17mp, compared to my 32 mp, R7 which is by default "always" in crop mode 🙂 For a full frame camera to make 32 mp in crop mode, that camera would have to be more than 80 MP's !
Great review. I agree, the R7 must be appreciated for what it is, a great wildlife and sports camera for all of us who can't afford the R3 or the R5...
As a bonus it's a great all around travel/family camera. I just wish Canon could give us more APS-C lens.
I think the R7 will prove to be a commercial succes for Canon and it will likely boost the sales of wildlife lens like the very good 100-500mm... a win for Canon.
correct
Not only could I "afford an R5" but I had one for 14 months. Then I got the R7 and started killing it ! I shot with my R7 exclusively for 5 weeks, and LOVED it ! Then I tried to go back to the R5, and it was loud, bulky, heavy, and just didn't give me the reach I need for the small birds I usually shoot. Nor did it give me the keeper rate. So I sold my R5 to get another R7 + the 100-400 + some other cool peripherals.
I now own a R7, thanks to you (Tony and Chelsea). Previously was in the works to purchase a professional Canon, until wife surprised me with a Rebel t6i. Took us on a cruise instead.😊
Can you review this high megapixel sensor with Sigma 18-35 f1.8 and Sigma 50-100 f1.8. Coz I believe both the lenses were made to resolve enough detail.
As R7 is a mirrorless camera so I don't think there should be any auto focus issues just like these lenses have with DSLR's.
Hmm that's an interesting idea....
Still cant bring myself to it just yet. 5Dmk4 is just wonderful with all the Canon glass.
I totally understand, I also have the 5Dmk4 and have recently purchased an R6. The R6 has some great features but at the end of the day I still find myself grabbing the 5Dmk4, I just love that camera 👍😎
You guys are awesome, thanks so much for sharing another wonderful video, I am still waiting for my r7 order 😢
For a serious amateur doing all around family photography (wild life, grandchildren sports, street, etc) would you recommend the R-7, Fugi XS-20, or OM 5 (or1)?
A lot of good information about the 2 cameras. I use Nikon personally, but it's always nice to get a different perspective. Nice to see Milford Photo mentioned. They have a lot of good online and in person classes, too.
Specs-wise it seems like a great camera for wedding videography. I'll add it to my wishlist next time I'm upgrading.
Very nice review. Thank you.
Camera manufacturers spend huge resources to bring out products that are as good as they can make them, and it annoys me to see whiney self-appointed You-tubers nit-picking. Your review covered the limitations of the camera is a respectful way, and were happy to stress the strengths. A delight to watch.
Thank you for this guys. I was looking at upgrading to a R8 but started hearing about the R7 and I think that will be best for sports especially with the IBS.
Thank you - very interesting. I'm currently facing the question between these two cameras, and the same two lenses. During 2022 I sold all my DSLR equipment and I now use just my iPhone (14 Pro), and for most things I've found that's absolutely fine. But of course I have nothing beyond 75mm or so, and I'm looking for a low(ish) cost outfit that would cover that. I narrowed down the choice to these two systems, and this video has been helpful. I think I'll go for the R7 + 18-150 initially, then maybe the 100-400 after that.
Similar situation. As a hobbyist, think I'll directly go R7 + RF 100-400mm. And use my Pixel 7 Pro for the closeups. I was considering A6600 + a sigma 100-400 but the R7 + rf100-400 is a lighter combo. Now that I think about it, Pixel 7 & Canon R7 has a better ring to it
@@AmanHathiramani I’ve actually done something a bit different, but still in the same vein. I bought a used RP plus a used RF 70-200 f4, and I’m loving it. Altogether it was about what a new R& + 18-150 would have cost.
i wouldnt say the rp is significantly better in low light, based on the samples you provided both are about equal and aren't impressive. so better go for r7 and apply noise reduction.
Awesome! Happy shooting! :)
I love it when Pixel is in the videos.
Reading out the R7’s high-res sensor seems to be a challenge for e-shutter mode and sports and wildlife. Hoping someone compares the R7 with the OM-1 for those use cases
I think the om1 beats the r7 in every way. 25/50 fps already means that you're gonna get more keepers and it seems like the autofocus is about as good.
@@ryzgms nope. Sorry to break it to you om1 lovers, but, no. The R7 af tracking birds in flight is better than the z9, and waaay better than the om1.
I have been out birding with om1 users. The r5 (me) and r3 users all have plenty of bif, swallows inflight & dragonflys in flight, shots to share. The several experienced om1 users, none.
The OM1 has no rolling shutter at 50fps and track very good 👍
I think a side by side comparison with the 7D Mark II would make a great video. A lot a people have forgotten that it is about taking photos. Strange evaluation of the cameras with different lenses. The nifty 50 would still be in peoples budget.
The 7dii is too old. Theres no comparison
While I appreciate say nice things about cheaper cameras when possible but did you notice that you can buy both the RP and the R7 for the price of an R6 (or an R7 and an R6 for the price of an R5 if you consider the extra cost of the CF-Express card). I don't know about you, but I have lost too many shots changing lenses when something came up unexpected so I like that option. Did you compare the two using the 24-240 on each. I have both the R7 and the RP and use each for what it is better for. To me IBIS and using the larger battery is worth the price difference but for tripod landscapes the RP does win.
The limited availability of RF-S lenses is not a pronlem if one ne plans to keep 2 bodies: I have an R , so I will be using all my RF glasses on still portraits landscapes, and use RF lenses + R7 for sport and wildlife .
My question is: withba similar cost , would you suggest to buy the R7 and keep the R or try to sell the R , not to buy the R7 and go for an R5 ?? Thanks !
Thank you chaps that was really interesting. Hope my pre ordered r7 comes soon to England 👍
30fps with rolling shutter negates the value of 30fps. What use is a high frame rate if moving subjects are distorted. 15fps is still good, but 30fps seems useless here. Thanks for the review.
So many cameras are like this, it's just a bullet point to put on advertising. No one will actually use it because if you need 30fps, you're shooting something that will warp.
I found that while the RP produced lower noise at high ISO it still was not good enough to necessarily make it a preferable camera for high ISO as the ISO was still poor in my opinion.
Not useless at all. It should be very good for computational photography and not extremely fast objects.
@@Quoutub isnt the 30fps only 12bit ? vs the 14bit of the 15fps raw. The 30fps rolling shutter of the R7 looks quite bad indeed.
My R5 20fps rolling shutter is not nearly as bad, but, it still means about half of my bif shots need to be discarded due to funky bent wing tips.
By the way, regarding an object at a fixed distance, the rolling shutter effect becomes smaller, the smaller the focal length is. So if you want to take a photo of a fast object and want to shoot in raw, but with 50% less rolling shutter, you just need to use a focal length that is 50% smaller and then crop the image. The disadvantage is that the object will have more noise and fewer pixels.
An alternative is using the 4k crop 60 fps video mode, which will have less rolling shutter as well, but won't give you raw files.
I think the most desirable RP kit is pairing it with RF 24-105 F4 L.
The only way R7 can match that in a good way would be an RF-S 15-65 F2.8... but I don't think it will be happening anytime soon.
The Canon 17-55 2.8 EF-S should work, right?
@@chris-nj3vg I guess it would
I love this because I just got the R7 as my second camera, and the first one is the RP 😁
Looking closely at the body designs, I think you may appreciate the similarity in the layout of the controls that are common between the two
Thanks Tony and Chelsea for your accurate review. Unbiased and objective.
Thank you for the great video. How would you compare it with Fujifilm XT-4 and Sony A6600 for video?
Good review . Still waiting for a detailed examination of the R7 high iso noise performance in comparison to a 7Dmkii and an RP/R .
I found the RF14-35 and RF16 to be wide enough to shoot Horseshoe Bend, which is one of the wider landscapes shots one would need to take on an any camera. The shot would have been easier on my R5, no doubt. But the point is that, paired with the two lenses I mentioned, the R7 is wide enough for just about anything.
So Tony and Chelsea ( and readers) , what do you think will provide a sharper image at 400mm; the R7 with the sharpest Canon EF 100-400 Mk II or an R5 cropped to the equivalent with the same lens? Wondering if this R7 sensor is worth trading old 100-400 mk1 for new mk II
It would be very close but the R7 has a higher pixel density... But with that zoom at the long end you'll likely never see a difference in real world shooting.
@@TonyAndChelsea Thanks for your thoughts. That saves me $$!
@@TonyAndChelsea and rude of me not to thank you at the outset for a helpful review! On the waitlist now
The ef 100-400mk 1 was released in 1998, and is soft by todays standards. My ef 100-400mk2 has similar iq to my rf100-500, but doesnt eye track af nearly as well as the rf lens. The ef 100-400mk2 eye tracks ok on my r5 until you put a 1.4x on, then the part stops... eye tracking is slow and erratic.
@@nordic5490 Appreciate the feedback. good to know! Thanks
Nice review - thanks! However, I am interested in how the R7 with the 100-500mm lens compares to the Nikon D500 with the venerable 200-500mm when shooting wildlife, birds, and sports? After all, this was your previous recommended rig for wildlife. Further, you can get this previous recommended combo for way less than the Canon outfit?
Was wondering this exact thing myself.
I was almost set to buy the Canon m6ii, until this camera came around R7. Definitely a lot to like. In a sense it is an upgrade to m6ii and the Canon 90D. The only question is what is more important to someone buying: fast speed 15fps mechanical great for wildlife and sports and 4K full screen in R7, or the somewhat better image quality of the full frame RP in low light and less noise but 4K is limited, HD is fine though, but fps is slower for action in RP.
Well, if you got an R6, you'd have both. I had the RP and really liked it, but it was very slow. The R6 felt like a beast in comparison. I went an R7 to back it up for wildlife and astro shots.
I agree. Gotta say, I like the fullframe performance. I crop a lot so that detail is going to help. Going from apsc to fullframe brings along some lens issues though. Grown to like the crop factor.
Finally the video I have been waiting for , mine got delivered Wednesday !
Congrats!
Seeing the portrait lenses reminded me of a comment I saw for the R8. Someone was suggesting putting a large heavy lens on an R8 which is a much lighter body could lead to balance issues in that it moves the center of moss forward beyond the body of the camera. Did you find this at all with the RP?
The R7 did fantastic in the Christmas room. It had no lag time and AF was dead on.
One thing that was not mentioned is the difference in batteries: LPe17 (RP) vs LP-e6nh. I own an RP and love it despite its limitations EXCEPT for those damned batteries. They die quickly (and have a curious habit of running out in the middle of my shoots), cost as much if not more than the ubiquitous LP-e6 and are rarely in stock. If I didn’t already own an RP, between the two I would probably pick the R7 on account of the battery alone.
In my experience using my RP, I'm able to push 800-1200 images taken on a full charge with the included battery.
@@jonathandelreal7808 Yeah - I typically shoot much more than that for events. What’s more problematic is the battery drain when recording video or shooting RAW+JPG via viewfinder. I’m finding I get around 600-700 photos or just under an hour of solely video recording. I turn my power off between video takes or during breaks in the action.
How much is the canon 100-500mm RF lens?
Great presentation and comparison. Please make a video on how the camera works with S and non-S type lenses with the R-mount and how the camera works with the adapter and old EOS lenses.
The R7 with the EL-5 is a great combo. The EL-5 will cover all the way out to 200 mm. What’s more is that it’s rate of flash is very high so if you require it for action shots then it’s fantastic. Like at a basketball game!
I'm thinking of upgrading from my Fuji X-T2 for portraits and sports (track & field mainly). Is this a good move? Or should I be checking out something else? I get very few misses with the way I have the Fuji set up, but I feel that autofocus has improved since that model across the board. Not excluding Nikon either, if there's something out there.
Great video, you guys are awesome. I just ordered an R7 last night and I get it on Fri. Can't wait to use it! I had an 80D but it got ruined with a little water accident and I had to go back to using my super T6 that shoots at an amazing 3 fps, ha!
Thanks for a great comparison video. This is just what I have been looking for.
Does the difference of the image qualities result from lenses or from bodies in the case when RP/24-240 and R7/18-150 are compared?
The lens mostly
I'm looking to get a body to go with a 100-500mm RF, for wildlife stills. Wondering - if the rolling shutter artefacts make the 30 frames/sec shooting not-very-usable for fast-moving subjects and you end up using mechanical at about 5fps, why not go with the RP which can shoot at that speed and has other advantages? Does R7 have better animal/bird auto focus?
I have ADHd what lens are you filming this on? its fabulous
Thanks for this review. Do the EF and EFS lenses work well with the IBIS on the R7 ? It is difficult to find anything about this on You Tube.
Hi, I have one question that is most important to me as an event photographer, is it with the EF-EFS lens adapter in video photography Decreases the number of frames from 50 to 25 as in the camera R ?
And thanks for the video, I really liked
Wait at 4:51 you shot the rp with a better lens than the r7 and compared sharpness?
What do you think about speed-boosters for canon r7. I hear the canon has some purple fringing but the 2 viltrox s.boosters seem good? There aren’t any reviews for photo and none comparing the canon to the 2 viltrox. Now canon has good crop bodies but limited crop lenses. So it seems like a possible work around but I’d like to be sure before recommending to friends looking to get into photography. Reviews please? 🙏
Your reviews are great, but please can you help me decide which camera to buy for wildlife, especially bird photography?How does the Canon R7 stack up against the R5? I have searched but cannot find anyone who has compared the two and yet they appear to compete with each other in many ways. The R5 can even use a crop mode that makes it have similar image size to the R7. Is it just a case of ‘you get what you pay for’?
How well the Canon 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 L IS USM EF will perform in the R7? Do you have a way to test it?
Is it worth getting an R7 for that extra wildlife reach if I already own the full-frame R6?
Somewhere in this comments section another R6 + R7 owner said that the R6 cropped in on a distant bird is cleaner than the R7 due to the much lower noise.
@@nordic5490 I'll need to find that. What about for astro shots?
Hi, I have one question that is most important to me as an event photographer, is it with the EF-EFS lens adapter in video photography Decreases the number of frames from 50 to 25 as in the camera R ?
How about that expososure / joystick combo? DP had that as a big issue...
Buying a camera from a private shop, where you can go in and touch it and test it out is so much better than buying it online from a mega corporation.
Does the lock button actually lock the mode dial?
Very annoying when the Mode Dial spins on you and continue shooting in the wrong mode.
I tested out the T7i in Yosemite once, and dial will easily free spin on you if you don't monitor it.
I have had an R7 for the best part of a year now, that I bought for travelling, but I find the 18-15mm kit lens it came with a tiny bit soft. I have had Canon 1D bodies for many years, and only have L lenses to use with them. So I am wondering what would be a good zoom lens to travel with for the R7? I expect you already have a video, so I'll stop being lazy and go hunt that down when I post this. I am thinking something like the 24-105mm F4L IS. I also hate not having a speedlite, so I am looking at the Godox TT350c (I have a V1 for my DSLRs - which I bought when my 580EX2s died many years ago.)
Are you pixel beeping Remember the pixel density corresponds to 85 megapixels on full frame.
Everyone else has said the kit lens is sharp.
Just got the r7. Owned only 5d mark II and eos rp so far. Have to say im just really impressed on how well the sensor is dealing with the high ISO. with the eos RP even as a FF sensor most of the time i was afraid to go even above 1600 ISO which resulted in a lot of noise in low light... But this one for the price is just amazing. Initially i bought the r7 for the autofocus and FPS performance. I have a feeling now for my budget this is a jackpot of a camera. And i decided to go for it after watching your reviews as always so thank you for the work that you both put to inform people as well
Just a question generally for whole R cameras, do you use electronic 1st curtain most of the time? Does it affect bokeh quality / cut off bokeh in your use?
you mean best apsc sports & wildlife mirrorless camera!, Yes.
It’s probably the best aps-c camera on the market, but could have been much better. The shutter roll problem has been a problem with this camera, and now shown right here in the video. When the R5 first came out, it also exhibited some shutter roll (wasn’t as bad as the stuff shown on the R7). And now, Canon fixed the R5 and it’s better than the more expensive Nikon Z9. Although Nikon claims it’s new firmware 2.1 will address those problems and bring it up to par with the R5. That means the Nortrups must retest the Z9 with the firmware update against the R5. I bet the lighter, more efficient R5 will still be the winner.
@@p3rrypm nah. the fuji autofocus is crap, it misses much which makes its 40fps useless. and basically both would be about the same usable images or canon even more usable images. plus the canon would do better in video autofocus as well.
@@ytr8989 I just wish canon made new wildlife lenses. Nikon has the 500pf and now the 400 4.5, also the 300pf. Canon has either the big whites or a 30 year old 400 5.6/300 4. It makes no sense. Its time to make something for normal people
It’s a mirrorless camera
What would you recommend as a best beginner sports primary and daily shooter if not going the Canon route? I really like the R7, though the buffer seems crappy / filled too quickly. I really just don't want to support Canon with their latest business decisions and buy into the meager RF lens lineup.
Try an OM-1.
Love your videos, on the buffer time, the mechanical Raw buffer time, was it with CRaw or Raw? also, what was the write speed of the SD card?
Firstly brilliant review. What I was very disappointed with was the noise level on some of your pictures which I assume is because of the sensor size. I have a 6D mk2 just now and was thinking of selling for the R7 but after your review I'm having 2nd thoughts - so thank you for saving me a bundle !
I don't know, pixel peeping always leaves a sour taste in the mouth, even for excellent sensors. If you have the 6D MK2, that's your sensor in the RP. I don't know, I thought the pictures of the heron from the R7 was stunning...
I think they did a very simple pixel peep but they couldve been a little more indepth. Maybe do a peep at the studio for more reliable results.
Exceptional review..very nice. How bout de new Fuji s?
The spec suggest this camera is a repackaged M6 Mk2, perhaps with a better EVF and an fully articulated screen. The M6 Mk2 is presently selling for $850. I have been using the M6 Mk2 as a backup or when I need a smaller camera to keep people from shying away.
As an RP owner who was considering the R7, this was so helpful. Thank you!
Moving from full frame to crop sensor?😲😲😲😲 Nooo
After adjusting the dials so that in the "M" mode they work the same as in the "Av" mode, to have the aperture under the index finger and the shutter speed under the thumb - during exposure bracketing (AEB) in manual mode (M), the camera takes subsequent photos by changing the aperture value instead of exposure time value, which causes the depth of field to change in subsequent photos. In this case, all the photos are useless and there is nothing you can do with them. What should I do to make the camera change the exposure time and not the aperture value during exposure bracketing in manual mode, so as to have different exposures with the same depth of field? I would like to mention that this problem does not occur in another Canon camera that I have, so it is probably a software error.
I was really hoping to see a r5 equiv crop vs r7 wildlife comparison... Any chance?
Is it worth upgrading from a Lumix G9 to the Canon R7?
Hey! That’s Harkness Park! I just did a photo shoot there a few weeks ago 😂. I love that park!
I have an R6 and an RP. I shoot occasional weddings, but I'm considering replacing the RP with the R7 just to have the utility of a sports/wildlife capability of the R7.
I caught a lot of flack at the final announcement over saying I was disappointed. But it was 100% because it was not the 7D replacement based on the build and sealing. Like Tony said, this is the mid-tier where the 90D left off, not where the 7D left off. I, like many others, was expecting the mirrorless 7D. But then, I was also expecting a much higher price point, like, 2000 or more (very early in the rumors I even said as much as 2500). I am not disappointed by what it is, only by what it is not and was at the very least hoping for. I agree it is one hell of a camera for its price point, and that this was probably the right move at this time for Canon rather than a more expensive, likely bulkier, 7D replacement. Which, I do think will happen eventually too. But not until after the R1 now. So probably at least 2 years.
I would say, I didn't notice you pointing out the lack of a battery grip, as well as all the features that it would need to have in order to eventually have one (if you did, I just don't recall lol). I felt that right there was the big ball drop by Canon. How in the F did they do that to this model? And its not even a "maybe eventually" thing, it doesn't have any of the features needed for a proper grip (no alignment holes, no release lever on the battery door, no electrical contacts on the inside for the pins). Even the camera series it is an obvious replacement for can take a grip. Just feels like a very odd omission.
I wonder how it compares with the Nikon D500 which is the Nikon equivalent to the 7D. The R7 has faster shutter burst but could have a better buffer time perhaps?
I dont want to hold up the extra 450g for several hrs birding. Save your money, and keep acouple of spare batteries in your pocket.
@@nordic5490 Different folks have different situations. I shoot with battery grips on all of my DSLRs, and my R5 and R6 units: not only for the extended battery capacity, but for the improved CoG that brings it back towards the body when using large, heavy super tele lenses. Also, I like the extra set of controls that comes with the grips for shooting in portrait mode. Different strokes for different folks...
@@trevor9934 I'd never see more weight as an advantage. And I always hold the lens so cog isn't something I personally think about. I'd never want to just hold the camera with a big lens attached.
I think they are an acquired taste and adding to the price for this camera wouldn't be a good move.
But yeah different strokes is true
Very helpful. For a picture but not sport wildlife guy. I cancelled my order placed for a new r7 and think about rp
i bought the R7 ,(i have R6) i think the auto focus and the speed are realy great and i doo bird most of the time ,when you have the bird close enough it is fine but when the birds are far away and you have to crop the picture it is bad it gets very noise, the R 6 does it better there
Where did you buy the r7?
@@gmatennis2768 in denmark i pre odrer it
@@gmatennis2768 vefa foto
Your videos are my go too I need or opinion if you would photography is a hobby I am retired. I bought the R7 when it came out nature animals landscape stars Milky Way. My favorite now that the R5 mark two came out the r5 has gone down in price your opinion to upgrade to the R5. Thank you so much for your time.
Thank you for this review. It was very helpful. Is it possible for you to test how is overheating in 4K fine with the screen flipped out?
Great review guys. I think you have told a prety clear story.
Can you tell me which camera and lens you use to shoot the video, thanks