$50 test cost, $12 to send it to each college, $20 SSR, $15 questions and answer service, $100 booklet for studying, $92 AP tests, fees for sending scores and signing up late, releasing scores at the perfect time so that you’re forced to sign up for the next SAT out of fear you did poorly, and poor aid services. But still called a nonprofit :)
Back when I was in high school, every single AP teacher I had, without exception, despised the College Board. I knew one who was attempting to gain a position at the "nonprofit" so they could dismantle it from the inside.
This aged wonderfully. I graduated high school this past June, and guess where my AP Environmental Science Scores went? Gone. Reduced to atoms. As well as the scores of everyone else who took it. It was entirely collegeboard's fault. My school got a receipt from them confirming that all of the scores had indeed been sent in. But nope, in August I got an email (with no apology written in, mind you) saying that my scores were gone. Nothing else. No offer to give me credit for the course, no compensation offer. It was just accept that a year of class was wasted or pay to take another exam. The worst part? I got off easy out of most of the AP kids. I know kids who had all of their scores lost. 3 entire tests gone. What the actual fuck.
Good thing AP environmental science is probably down near the easiest AP tests. I think it’s between that, AP Comp Sci principles, or maybe even AP foreign language
you see this is why I put in the barest amount of effort in school because I just know my time and my worth as a human being is not valued under this horrible system
Collegeboard once accused me of plagiarism on an AP test for no reason. Had to get my school district officials involved in a whole email campaign to even get a response as to why they were accusing me. I ended up needing to send in a 20 page document explaining how I was capable of writing my assignment. They docked a point because of the effort they had to put in on their end in order to get the score fixed. I failed that test. EDIT: this got a lot of attention so I thought I’d add on because I forgot to say it. it was AP computer science principles. I didn’t find out why I didn’t get my score until two weeks after I should have gotten it, when a letter signed by some rep at collegeboard told me my score had been withheld because they believed the code I had written was not original. Even when being asked by the school district office collegeboard completely refused to give us the source they believed I had plagiarized from.
There's a shitton of 501(c)3's that solely exist to make money. Pretty much every pro sports league and every Div1 college football bowl are technically charities.
@@SupersuMC .... yhea but Planned Parenthood was able to give me a free pregnancy test, Emergency contraceptive, and even STD testing. sence I was being abused by my Morman fauther. they asked no questions, Didn't ask for information and insurance was never asked. planned parenthood fallows a pattern I like. Richter or more Financially stable clients helps pay for people who can't afford it by Haveing them pay normally. it's a good model and even more important now. witch them helping women out of state get hotels or temporary housing.
In the US, a “charity” is only required to donate 51% of the funds they raise. So, the other 49% get used as CEO and upper management bonuses, because they’re not allowed to make a “profit”. Wouldn’t be upset if legislators changed that percentage to at least 85% of funds being donated
One time I got a nosebleed during the SAT test, and the proctor didn’t help in any way because it might’ve been considered cheating to hand me paper. I sat for about an hour taking the test with one hand while the other was cupped under my nose collecting blood.
Most of the colleges I applied for didn’t require the SAT, but that was in 2020. I know the college I currently attend does not require SAT scores and they do not factor them in the admissions process.
Almost all public colleges are test optional in this day and age, and even if they’re not, the ACT is cheaper and less of a hassle and counts the same as an SAT
Now all major colleges are making the ACT and SAT scores optional which is good because you should base students on their accumulation of academic growth rather than some arbitrary test that measures how well you can regurgitate info
For the AP test, also from College Board, one of the essay questions was "What is overrated" and I wrote about how College Board was a scam and got a 4 on that test.
AP language exams are entirely different beasts. As a junior, I took AP German and failed. I still had senior year left, and I was convinced that with another year of studying that I could pass it the second time, especially with the claim that it would be "easier." I fail it again, go figure. Unless one has a spectacular background in the language, many have to guess through almost the entirety of the multiple choice because of how unfairly advanced the vocabulary is. When the native German - speaking teachers find the exam incredibly difficult you know there's something wrong.
Alt moral: if you regret anything in your Twitter feed and wish it would no longer be associated with you, criticize the college board and they’ll delete all your mistakes for you
Hey Jeff, as someone who does SAT tutoring (TH-cam doesn't pay bills), I co-sign a lot of what you said. HOWEVER, there is a lot to add to this discussion. The lobbying that College Board does to stay in power and keep students dependent on it for college admissions is MASSIVE, and this video only scratches the surface of the racist/classist history. I think there is potential for a much deeper story to tell here that I hope to expose one day soon.
They did stay true to their roots , they still favor students from affluent families, ones that can afford private tutors. So in a way it's not just their history, they still do that in an indirect way today
I want to back you, but the moment I read "racist/classist" I got pushed away. Those words have been warped and twisted that I can't trust them anymore.
@@redline841 the test was literally creates to demostrate that white students were better than black students,if they make you uncomfortable it must be because you feel called out
I was kicked out of an SAT because my phone went off before the exam even began. It was ultimately my fault for not being 100% sure it was turned off, but not only did they boot me with no chance of even a refund, but they threatened to cancel everyone else's exam too. Some crazy rules they got going on.
Texas Instruments is right there with them. Not as severe, but that fact that they charge $100 for their ti-84s, which are severely outdated, and that said ti-84s are one of few approved graphing calculators you can use on the SAT shows how much of a scam these companies are
@@dskdev Calculators change Over time. Better memory, Fixing glitches, New functions Available etc. To the Average consumer, The differences Can be Practically undetectable. But as Some tests Do get Updated for More advanced Mathematics, sometimes, The calculators Are no Longer as Functional. one Way to Test a Calculator is Takeing the Square root Of two, Then squaring It. Some calculators Give the Right answer, 2. some Don't because Of rounding Errors. Some calculators Develop more User friendly Controls, such As the Casio series. Hell, there's Graphing calculators With touch Screens now. The ti-84's Started production In 2004, and They haven't Made any Changes to It. Sure, it Still functions Mostly fine As a Calculator. Just like How some Of those Motorola dynatech Phones from 1973, are Still functional, So they Aren't obsolete. There are Calculators that Are easier To use, Which are Cheaper, and Have more Functionality, and Overall, are Better in Everyway.
@@dskdev how can a phone be outdated, calling is calling. You really gotta think some more man, my casio calculator had way more features and served me way better because of it
@@kiraangle2823 this is the dynatec, landline is better, the motorola dyna-tec is a brick, which breaks if you overcharge it. It has 20 min usetime before draining.
@@pokemonmaster0079 Bingo, I did very well on the PSAT's and even better on my SAT while a white friend of mine got a lower score and lived in an impoverished neighborhood since childhood. I was raised in area that was gentrified to high heaven and went to a charter school that rich kids attended. But she is very smart as well. It has nothing to do with intelligence and more so with getting the proper education very early in life.
pay 2,000,000 dollars to enjoy having a small chance of a mediocre, boring, job and having a 99% chance that you're gonna work the same job as your high school friends
@@RegularFish2 - Only 1 question in the entire exam. (even though people payed a lot of money to take the exam) - Only 45 minutes to write a essay. - Many people had issues submitting their exams at the last second. - Did I mention it was only 1 question and if you didnt know that 1 question you were screwed?
Current SAT isn't just historically based on racism, made to segregate whites from others. It still has that effect today, and also segregates the rich from the poor, and the powerful from the weak. Even if you do poorly on this crap "test", if you have good credentials and a family full of important people that hold power and influence, you can still get into universities. The fact that this test that costs nearly 100 dollars per attempt, is done on Saturdays (you SOL if you don't have access to a car), and is graded on a curve, is what decides your fate... it's utterly laughable. It's no different than rolling dice - you can roll the dice in specific ways to try to get the score you want, but you're still at the whims of luck.
@@Janon743 It feels like that, but really its based on group motivation now. Everything has been done to try and bridge the gap and level things out, but strange patterns keep happening no matter what
I take AP tests for free cause my school covered half the cost for all students taking an AP test, and then covered the rest for any students who qualified for free or reduced pay lunch (i.e. the poor kids). I think I still have to pay for the SAT though, but still, that's a heck of a lot of college credit for free. Obviously this doesn't legitimize what College Board does, they still deserve to be shut down for their business practices.
^ when coupled with an effective support program like the one you mentioned, the AP tests do become wonderful opportunities for students to get ahead. Its just that when they’re by themselves they’re a travesty
Those with free/reduced lunch in my school has to pay $5. Then there are people who pay $95 for each AP exam. It sucks for me because I had to pay full price for three AP exams this year.
In my old school if you had a B average you're test fee would be waived for APs. If you didn't, then you would have to pay but you would be reimbursed if you got at least a 3 on the test.
Friend of mine's second attempt at the SAT was rejected because his score improved too much. They think he cheated somehow. He never found out what his score was.
I remember when my AP World History teacher went on a 15 minute rant on how CollegBoard doesn't recognize latine as an actual racial/ethnic group, and that in order to select hispanic/latine, you were forced to select caucasian first, because apparently latine people aren't important enough to be recognized in the educational system.
@@headphonesaxolotl Exactly my point, affirmative action sends a very poor message. It essentially states that Asians are too smart and successful, while blacks and hispanics are too stupid and require an unmerited leg up in admissions. Of course this is untrue, but this is exactly the message affirmative action sends, and this racist policy punishes hardworking kids and helps lazier ones. Thankfully, the really hardworking kids will make the best of their education and succeed no matter what college they attend.
I wish my high school counselors would tell us about what other options we had after high school instead of brainwashing everyone to take tests and apply to colleges
This year was a bit of a mess, but I’m kinda glad that college board is finally getting called out like this, with the law suit and such (to clarify, still not happy about the submission problems)
@@cwmd7651 First one www.classaction.org/blog/glitches-anxiety-panic-the-college-board-hit-with-class-action-over-problem-riddled-at-home-ap-exams Second One www.classaction.org/blog/class-action-claims-college-board-sells-student-data-collected-during-standardized-tests
Yeah I feel so bad for all the people who had a bad wifi connection or a bad computer or both that made it a lot harder to submit the test I was just lucky I had a good internet connection and laptop.
@@jimothy2361 Not everyone uses the Pythagorean theorem on a daily basis, the last time you studied it it might have been years ago Edit: I retract my original statement, it took 2 years before I realized that the context was a test. Yeah, if you care about doing well on the test then you should certainly know the theorem.
@@MC_Busta verizon dsl is the only option here. >.3mbps down, "0.00" mbps up, 1400+ ping, 60+% packet loss. but i live in a "busy" area, apparently. (under 1000 people per square mile.) submissions took several minutes and i never got answers through on one test. (before the email option.) fuck my life.
Besides how buggy it was, the price was insane. Usually, you're paying more than $100 to take a good test, but this time it was just ONE question. It's clear that CollegeBoard only cares about money
I know this is a little late, but as a private company, them asking for things like, phone number, social security number, and age/DOB is predatory because they can send that out to people if they want; If they are hacked you are now completely known to the world and beyond, and in some schools they require you to make a account with collegeboard.
In my APUSH class, while we were reading the sermon "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God", my teacher told us to replace all instances where it says "God" with "CollegeBoard"
@@dp12938 it does check out, though - they're both all-seeing, all-knowing, and if you do one thing even remotely wrong they will both massively screw up your life.
I mean, there's the ACT. But the problem isn't only the company. It's the way our education system as a whole is managed. It's not here to educate and raise well-adjusted children, it's to create an army of sheep to generate wealth for the elites.
@@paolaparkeuu Test optional doesn't mean that they don't care about what you got. It just means you can apply without taking it. Obviously they're more likely to accept someone who got a good score on the ACT.
@@alexxie5649 Bruh I'm from chicago and don't know if I'll get into UChicago. Their stats are fucking. insane for the average student. 4.5 GPA??? 35 on the ACT and 1580 on SAT??? Like what in. the actual fuck.
I have a disability, and it was such a struggle to get basic accomodations, and when my AP test rolled around, they got stripped away by my school and cb claimed I had never asked. Fuck collegeboard.
In the words of my art teacher last spring, “hire a 9 year old taking coding classes from a high school senior and have them code the next college board website. Nothing anyone can code could be worse than what college board calls a ‘website’”
Straight Facts, I really hate how Collegeboard owns this monopoly over education, basically do or die because unfortunately (other than IB and maybe dual enrollment) you can't really be competitive with no AP Classes. Only positive side is that it does save you money in college but there are many many of these exams that don't even count for college credit.
You honestly need none of that. You don't even need to get into a ridiculously good college. In fact, going into a hyper competitive college will actually degrade your confidence because you are constantly surrounded by basically the 1% highest scoring students, and you will compare yourself to your peers. It's more beneficial to go to a good college that has a reasonable acceptance rate, as you will still get a very similar education without the pain.
Dual enrollment is literally 1000% better. I did AP Freshman and Sophomore year and it was MISERABLE. Awful. I’m sure you all know. Junior and Senior year I moved to dual enrollment. Best change ever. Yeah, it’s more expensive depending on your state but definitely worth it compared to AP
when you studied all year for your stats exam, but it doesn't even let you turn in your answers during the 45 minute exam with two questions that's supposed to test your knowledge for the whole year :)
I almost had that same experience. I was among the first to experience hell this year. I took AP Physics C Mechanics and AP Physics C Electricity and Magnetism. Regardless of the fact that question 2 on both exams was more bullshit than bullshit ever was, I missed the submission deadlines for mechanics question 1. I don't know if they will accept the blood sweat and tears I put into that work, as I submitted it with question 2. The worst part of it all is that we have to wait until mid July to see if we are 'smart enough' to earn college credits.
I’m already in college so this didn’t effect me. I’m still trying to wrap my head around how this test only had one or two questions. How does that work?
@@selkrasouza6262 2 FRQ questions, 30 minutes to complete the first one, 20 to complete the second one. The FRQs have multiple parts, and you submit them all together on a word document when you have 5 minutes remaining. It's not enough time, it's not enough material to test you on a year's worth of content. It's a joke, really.
@@cypherial the corrupt are who design the education system in the first place. The modern public education system was founded by the Rockefellers to create obedient factory workers. They don't want us to be actually educated or intelligent, they want us smart enough to be their wage slaves and do their dirty work but not too smart so that the majority of people will figure them out.
I agree that college board is a SHIT COMPANY and EXPLOITS TEENS. It is absolutely ridiculous that last year I had to pay $300 for 3 tests 7+ months before the test date so that when I realized I wasn't equipped for one of them and backed it was far too late for a refund. And also just to pay this amount for something you aren't even guaranteed to pass. HOWEVER! It is built into the system so hard that people cannot just stop giving them money. I realized this once I got to college. To summarize for highschoolers or younger, each class is worth 3 credits. Taking and passing an AP test can remove one class or more! The credits required for graduation at my college is 130, but for special majors like mine, it is 145. This means I would have to take about 6-7 classes a semester (or some during the summer) to graduate in 4 years which is A LOT. Since I took these horrible AP tests, I already had 15 credits going into college which means I do not have to take that many. Additionally these AP classes I took mostly knocked out GE's, or General Education classes. These are required classes not pertaining to your major. This means I can take more classes required for my major early on. For example I do not have to take an English class because of AP Lang + AP Lit and I only have to take one math class instead of two because of AP Calc. I honestly wish I took more AP classes. In summary, if you are planning to go to a 4-year university right after highschool instead of Community College, take as many AP classes you can handle. Apply for fee waivers or I forgot the specific name but if you qualify then AP tests will only be $10 each. I never bought a AP prep book my entire life and passed every test I took; you can also find old AP tests online for free. Sorry for long rant and extra sorry if it is confusing, I still hate college board and english is not my first language. I just wanted to share some tips.
I second this, though a year late I would like to further add that even if you are planning on attending community college, still consider taking the ap tests. Especially if you are like me and will be pursuing a high unit major like computer engineering or really any type of stem/med major. Being able to skip general ed classes and prerequisites allows you to get through your education quicker which is especially important if you have grants that will pay for your education for only so long.
This year I was informed that they had lost my AP Psychology multiple choice portion from last year. I've been given the option of retaking it or just canceling it all. The anger I felt while reading that letter lol.
Reading this comment it and others along it seems that you are not the only one the college board has “lost” their tests, makes me skeptical that perhaps they are purposefully terminating it and in other comments I’ve found that they accuse people of cheating when getting high-scores without there being evidence of them doing so
This year my online AP music theory test was a disaster Beyond the changed structure which ruined most of the important parts, such as the sight singing, the instructions were so vague and confusing To top that when I entered the test there were things on there I’ve never seen before in any of the collegeboard practice tests or in my AP study book Then after submitting the audio recording and photo submission for the part writing and sight singing I get an email at one in the morning saying the code was corrupt and I would have to retake it Considering I used my school issued computer I thought it was probably something wrong with its audio recording, and spent a week messaging and talking to IT at my school and teachers Then I get another email saying that it was just a mistake on their part and they simply mislabeled a file I submitted I was going to have to retake it not because of something I did, but because they mislabeled a file
Funny thing is, a lot of colleges ignore your AP classes and dont give a shit that you took them. To them the fact you didnt pay them the money is enough to make you take the class again.
most colleges have a list of minimum scores that they'd accept for each ap class. taking an ap class alone means nothing, you actually need to do well on the exam
@@sonofben3322 yep, I got english and science credits for taking ap lit, lang, and environmental science and scoring well on all 3. I liked taking ap classes for the gpa boost since our grades were multiplied by 1.1 as well. But my school mandated that we take the ap tests if we took the classes, which was braindead considering there was no way I would pass ap euro enough to get any credit for it with my awful teacher, so it was just a waste of money.
It’s refreshing to hear, students and teachers alike, despise Collegeboard. Because ALL throughout my high school, taking AP classes and getting 4/5 on an exam was treated like a mark of superior intellect. If you’re a high school student, you need to hear this: your scores don’t tell you anything about your potential.
I’m supposed to get four AP scores from this year ten days from now,, and the STRESS i am feeling while reading all the stories in these comments. literal cold sweat 😰
My macroeconomic teacher in high school literally gave us the macroeconomic AP exams from previous years to help us better understand the questions and answer them correctly. He was a great teacher and extremely knowledgeable but i feel like even he knew the exams were a bu ch of bs and wanted us to pass.
??? Isn't that literally the best way to review content? Replicate the exact testing conditions for your exam while answering questions that could just as likely be on your exam? I don't see that as a tactic to just get you to pass the exam and learn nothing, those mock exams you took were good ways to practice what you know and simulate how you would do on an actual exam.
That's basically the bare minimum of competency as a teacher. Are there teachers who don't force or at least seriously recommend(with extra credit or something) taking old tests?
That’s what my AP Euro teacher did, we had Saturday’s where we had mock Ap tests, MCQs and writing questions. Me and my friend attended all of them, we both managed to get a 5 this year on the test. Practice AP tests are very useful especially a month or two before the real Ap test when you know almost all the info but need more experience.
So that just shows that you're lazy or lack discipline and that you don't care about putting any effort into things that don't interest you? I don't know why people think flunking is an accomplishment, or some super meaningful symbol of rebellion that will somehow spark a revolution or something. If I were your employer and I saw such inconsistency in your performance I would fire you instantly.
@@NightmareBlade10 I never said that it was an accomplishment. You've failed to understand my point. I failed my AP test because there was too much pressure on me when studying and taking the test. I had to work a job ever day in highschool, I needed that job so I could pay for the AP test because my family couldn't afford it. Having a job and AP classes is a very difficult thing to do. Its hard to stay up and finish homework every night again and again. I studied my ass off for those test, I even passed the AP classes with high averages. The point of my comment was to inform people that even if you do fail the AP test or it doesnt work out, they will be fine. A test does not determine how great you'll do. I'm excelling in college because I am not lazy and I am disciplined as all people are who take rigorous courses. You are so high on your horse that my point flew past you and you misunderstood. Because you are so full of yourself, I think I'd be the one firing you and I'd be the one you would follow in a revolution now that I think about it. So before you judge me any further I want you to take a look at yourself and think about what influenced you to think so low of me when it is actually yourself who is the smaller person.
@@eyesack2546 Alright, so you're saying that it was too hard for you to put any amount of effort into studying so you decided to quit and waste your money. And you say you've done this multiple times for multiple exams? Sounds like cowardice to me. You put in the hours necessary to get enough money to pay for those tests all by yourself and in the end you threw it all away like a dumbass because you couldn't be bothered to pull through the final stretch. That just shows how naive and ignorant you are. "Oh studying is too hard, so let me squander all of my blood, sweat, and tears because it would be easier for me" Stop setting a bad example for others by encouraging others to give up, intentionally wasting opportunities given to them just because *you* felt it was too much of a pain to keep it up.
@@NightmareBlade10 Have you taken an AP test before? Those test are difficult. I assure you that I took alot of time to study for those tests. And cowardice? You clearly cannot think for yourself so I'll do it for you. I took all those test, I worked to take those test, and I put myself through it to finish the test and the classes while people around me quit. I'm not afraid to say that I failed them because I know I did everything I could. Just like these kids are doing. You don't know my life. You'll never know my struggles. Just like how you don't understand or know the struggles that these students are going through. You are so disrespectful. These AP test are done though. My message is to people who are worrying about their grades when they shouldn't. My point expresses that collegeboard does not determine how well you do in college. I'm not saying that these people still should not try their hardest. Im saying they shouldn't be so hard on theirselves when college board is so terrible. Did I lay it all out for you? I think I did.
In the 2019 college board AP English Language test, one of the essay prompts was to write about something you find "overrated". I wrote about AP exams and why they're overrated. Some points I made 1) It isn't a accurate way to measure a student. Rather, its a dumb way. Ex. Take the 2017 AP Human Geo question that no one knew about. As a short answer question, it held a lot of weight to it, and it recorded over 75% of students getting a 0 on the question alone. If CB wasn't under so much fire for including the question, a lot of students would have gotten their 5s or 4s dropped down by a score. And in case you don't know, this can make a MASSIVE difference for the student 2) If a student does well all year on a course that is meant to be way more challenging, they probably won't get rewarded anyway. I'll use myself as an example. Despite achieving a 4 in the AP gov test, most schools I applied to either only took a 5 or not at all. So a student looking to go to a higher end university is likely to not be rewarded for their hard work anyway. I passed all but my APUSH exams (4/5) and only will receive credit for one, AP stats (which UIUC takes at a 4) What was the point of me taking a test, let alone an entire course, if I pass the test only to get told that what I didn't ultimately doesn't matter or count, and my mental health was shattered while trying to juggle 3 AP and 2 Dual Credit classes. 3) The system is pay to win. A student that comes from higher income households can get way more resources, likely go to a better school, and is more likely to have less stress over the class (per stats I won't bother to look up to find the source) So a student that is more likely to do well anyway is the one that needs to worry less
OH MY GOD, I can completely relate. I also wanna point out some of the disadvantages that can happen in the middle of the exams. I remember for my AP Chem exam literally just a few weeks ago, I was really ready for it. I had studied a lot for it, and while there were a few things I wasn't the strongest in (e.g. buffers), I felt pretty good about the exam. But guess what, just before the exam, I got a really bad headache, and thus could barely even think, since I just wanted to get the exam quickly over with. So yeah, there's also just stuff in the middle of exams that can happen that make it difficult to accurately gauge someone's capacity for the subject
It’s ridiculous to me the entire college admissions process, instead of being a series of academic challenges to measure your skills, is literally just a shameless row of paywalls locking your from your future potential. Students shouldn’t have to put more thought into how they’re gonna pay than how they’re actually going to do well in their education
For anyone who's about to take these tests: don't stress yourself over these tests. As it is you still need to take the tests, but NEVER study for the sake of testing. Study for the sake of understanding. That's what will really help you both get into and get through college, and probably beyond as well.
Got an A on an CollegeBoard AP test while the rest of my class got Bs or lower. Was happy until I asked around and I realized I had a completely different test than everyone else.
My school district actually paid all AP test fees under condition that you actually attended the test. Found out the reason for this was one of the teachers saying her kids weren’t taking any of the tests because she couldn’t afford to pay for them. Still got the insane 2022 Calc AB moving line though. How anyone thought that question was doable is beyond me.
Great job! I'm an AP instructor myself and from a teaching perspective, AP programs offer great flexibility for instruction and something different from regular stream classrooms (teachers have full control over the curriculum). Problem is most teachers just teach to the exam (which is NOT the class) and really believe the narrative that AP scores will help admissions (which they do, but nowhere near as much as GPA and school involvement). In the end, remember that community college is a great option kids! Even for the smart kiddoes!
Also remember that college isn't the only path to a comfortable life of success. Don't just go to college because that's what your teachers and parents expect of you, that's how you end up with a degree you'll never use and hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt that you'll never repay. If you aren't interested in becoming a lawyer, doctor, engineer, or academic, you should consider just starting your adult life instead of spending four more years in school. I graduated university and enjoyed it, but if I hadn't wanted to be an engineer (still not even sure that's what I really want) I would have gone to trade school.
I also had a Twitter problem with college Board. Litterally 2 days before the ap calculus test I tweeted “@collegeboard please give us a freebie problem and make one of them a graph of a derivative where we answer stuff like what’s the relative min and max” and what do you know the first question on the ap calc test 2020 was that exact problem. A graph of a derivative where we answer stuff like what is the relative min. And after the test cause I thought it was funny that I tweeted that and they had it I went to go check my tweet and it was gone without a trace I was like wtf
Storytime With Jeff omg I found my tweet I had to do a deep search for it twitter.com/luvis_pain/status/1259936261344763905?s=21 but yah I literally predicted question 1 a day before the exam
I hate collegeboard the same as the next guy, but how do I justify the nearly year of college credit it saved me from scoring well on APs? It’s almost like a necessary evil in some students’ lives
Because they have completely monopolized the college prep exam. They have forced all of us to use ONLY college board to meet our needs. Do not get me started about the absurd amount of money the tests costs.
It’s useful when it works. I spent $85 for my response not to go through. Yes, it is my fault that I worked to the very last second and missed the submission time, but they said I could send it in an email and it would still be graded. There was no confirmation email like they said there would be. I’m too late to register for a make up. Two entire fucking paychecks down the drain.
When I had to take the ACT I got tutoring for it prior. The FIRST thing they told me is that the test isn’t about intelligence, it’s about seeing how well you can figure out how they’re trying to trick you. Needless to say they taught me how to properly see the tricks in the questions, and I got a pretty decent score in the end.
Why is our academic worth also based on how well we can be factory workers within a factory system? (School and grades, getting the objectives and regurgitationing said objectives on each test)
Next year I’m in AP Research, where you basically write one huge essay for the whole year. If I legitimately wrote an essay about the College Board, would that screw my chances of getting credit? I legitimately might do it.
I knew collegeboard was a scam when I was actually in my junior year of high school. I couldn't stand preparing for the SAT, taking the SAT, and the fact that the whole process and test(s) are treated as the end all be all for getting into college and things of that nature.
I mean if you're not competing for top 50 schools in the United States, you should have no need to, otherwise its quite important to have a high sat and plenty of ap classes
Fun fact: I was accepted into a private college and two public universities and I never took any SAT, AP, ACT tests or anything like that. I didn't graduate from high school which allowed me to skip that garbage. I got my GED early and did a couple years of community college. With good grades from CC, I was able to get accepted into the schools I wanted without interacting with Collegeboard at all, thankfully. Kind of sad that the only viable way to avoid them is to leave high school at 16 or 17 lol. I do recommend jumping straight into community college as soon as possible though, because I got a much better education than I did at my high school and did more meaningful work there. The work study opportunities and social life alone were worth it, but the freedom to choose which classes and areas of study I wanted really seals it for me. If you're halfway decent at school you should be able to pass the GED test without studying. I barely attended high school past my sophomore year and passed my first try (granted this was a decade ago so maybe it's harder now.)
So guys, I will take an APUSH test and a Computer Science Principles test on College Board. Should I be scared? Not really, right? I mean, they are my first ever AP tests...
Just go to community college and transfer to a university. It’s cheaper, and they don’t look at SAT scores and you don’t need a high GPA in high school.
@@happysloth3208 second this. I also learned most of what I know in my field from community college. Although some of the last classes I took at Uni were also useful
this year, i took the AP Biology test, but because of the coronavirus, i paid for and took a two question test. TWO. QUESTIONS. Because the test I got was nothing like the one i prepared for, i failed. my whole year of learning and the 94 dollars i worked for and paid them ultimately meant nothing, and i’m glad someone finally addressed how terrible of a company they are.
During my SAT test, the instructor farted and grunted super loud for the entire test. My focus was broken on multiple occasions and is likely one of the reasons why I had to take it a second time. Upon taking the test a second time the distractions were even worse as people in the next room were talking at a level close to yelling, and the door opened and slammed closed constantly with a rush of loud car engines flooding into the testing room. Even worse, the testing instructor didn't walk around to make sure we weren't cheating. If I wanted to, I could've cheated the whole way through. It's infuriating that I spend close to 20-40 hours a week for months to score high on this test, only to not be given the most basic testing environment.
Honestly, I’m really glad that I am behind the curve compared to others as academically achieving as I am in the entire country. I can’t really take AP classes until junior year because of electives being filled with foreign language and required classes for graduation plus having to take honors or get good grades on regular classes to enroll in an AP class. Don’t pay the college board that much. Remember that AP classes aren’t going to be the sole deciding factor of getting into a university or not. A lot of kids take way too many hard AP classes in high school to get “ahead” and end up seeing minimal return from it (also being miserable). So if you haven’t taken any AP classes yet and you’re a sophomore, you don’t need to worry. Some colleges don’t even care about AP tests and make you take another emission exam, like in Jeff’s case.
Yeah I hate foreign language and required classes that can't be college classed because 1. I'm barely learning anything 2. I'm jam-packed with people from about every grade from freshman to senior.
One of the questions on my SAT was converting Fahrenheit to Celsius with a real and accurate formula. I had to convert 9.9F into C which should be a negative answer. However there was no way to input a negative into the answer. So unless 9.9-32 isn’t a negative or a positive fraction times a negative whole number is a positive, then that question was rigged.
you telling me people making money off of education who aren't directly educating those children for a living is a bad thing and giving the reins of the education system to a for profit corporation wasn't the best idea?
A for profit company in education isn't inherently a bad idea. If one company repeatedly treats their customers like shit, maybe go somewhere else. But it hasn't played out that way. College board has a monopoly, the ACT isn't really in competition with it, in many cases it's advised to take both tests. And if companies were competing futures could be ruined, in order for competition to result in a better service, there first has to be some worst service that people get fed up with and leave from. In education, it can't come to that point, it has to be good from the get go
The education system sucks regardless if a “for profit corporation” is in charge. State-mandated education was created to make children accept authority, and that’s what it still exists for. That’s why schools have rules like: no wearing hats, no going to restroom without permission, no hoods up, etc.
PSATS, SATS, and AP exams are also hell for kids like me who have similar experiences with ADHD. If we finish early, they just force us to sit there for so long without doing anything, staring at the wall and trying not to lose our minds. Seriously, at least let me read or something! I'm not hiding any notes or answers, I promise! I just need stimulation!
@@rosykindbunny1313 yeah that's why you change your pace. its not a good thing that you could finish the English section 30 minutes early. its like criticizing the college admission system to take only the highest GPA students, when you slacked there. Because again, "some people aren't as work driven"
@@rosykindbunny1313 Little bro are you changing your response to make me sound redundant? I have diagnosed ADHD and had to learn pacing over 3 months, you yapping about having speed problems is no one's issue but yours.
@jeffli071 Who said I finished 30 minutes early? It's tough for us even with 10 minutes left. And what does GPA and college admissions have to do with this? Do you assume because I'm a quicker test-taker that I do badly on tests?
I transferred to a school that somehow had no pre-existing relationship with the college board. I had to pay like seventy USD to have my transcript mailed to me, and like an extra thirty to get it there overnight. Four months later, I was already done with the first year classes I had to retake senselessly, and my transcripts arrived via the cheapest US Postal Service shipping method.
Last year I took my AP US government class, on day one our teacher told us that college board will give the material to study the Supreme Court cases that they will test us on. Instead he gave us a pdf of 15 generally known ones summarized. Then still, there was a question about a Supreme Court case we had never heard of.
Exactly. When I was about to take the AP Literature and Composition Exam after staying up two nights before, the proctor and my classmates were unable to even take the exam!! As per the CollegeBoard fashion, they didn’t even own up to their mistake! Now, we have to take the written exam, which is much, much, much more stressful…. I hope this monopoly changes their ways
yall tell me why my AP lang exam was one essay and when I tweeted to the author who wrote the exerpt of our essay(apologizing for how much i botched her article as a joke), she responded 'there were no rhetorical vices--i should know, i wrote the book'. LIKE YALL THEY AINT EVEN TRYING BRO
I was so fucking done with CB after I took my AP Bio exam. The first question had ten fucking parts and there was only 30 minutes to do them _and_ turn them in. 3 minutes was most definitely not long enough for a lot of those parts. Fuck College Board and standardized tests and I'm glad many colleges don't require SAT and ACT scores (I've even seen a few that recommend _against_ reporting standardized test scores).
College (especially in the US) is the educational equivalent of a nuclear waste dump. You could genuinely get a better education in probably 90% of things by just watching TH-cam, and without going into debt for your whole life.
College’s price tag sucks a lot, but this statement isn’t true for most fields in STEM, certain disciplines in things like Law, Finance etc that you really do need college education for Also, TH-cam is run by a corrupt organization itself, with algorithms designed to put you down rabbit holes and consume meaningless content Bottom line is that there’s pros and cons with all these things
I’m currently acing college simply because of how much time I spend on TH-cam so I can definitely confirm. The education system is basically just there to convince you that being overworked and underpaid on an unrealistic schedule is normal so the mega corporations can do whatever they want and still have employees.
TH-cam is such a great resource for education on a ton of topics, and educational videos are often structured such that they're interesting to watch and not something that causes you to instantly dissociate like textbooks. It's often discredited because anyone can upload videos, but you just need to be careful and filter out channels that misinform.
Yea, a couple weeks ago they did online AP exams. The site was absolutely broken. The submit button didn't work for some people, and a lot of the tests that were submitted got labeled as "lost".
In my senior year of high school, I took a class called “AP computer science principles.” Our final assignment/exam consisted of two parts. The first part was written code that had to be able to sort through a list through user inputted information and return other information associated with the user input, and something else I can’t remember. The second half was a typical multiple choice exam where we’d have to do things like complete code, figure out which line was causing an error, predict the outcome of a section of code, etc. Most of the class was big strong Catholic school guys as we were known for our sports program. I was one of two girls in the class, the other one was a foreign exchange student so I never got to know her. We had already completed our code and sent it in to collegeboard so we’re either screwing around on the computers or studying for the exam. Our teacher, a guy who looks exactly like Jim from “The Office” comes in and makes an announcement. The old geezers at collegeboard had decided to change the grading criteria for the practical portion of the exam… which we had already handed in. Our grades now fell in the hands of either god, the second half of the exam, or how much our code just happened to follow the new criteria. I saw men cry that day. I didn’t care for my collegeboard score, I was going to an art school for Game Art and just thought that knowing coding was a good idea for the industry I wanted to be in post-graduation. Getting college credits for it was a plus but not my priority as I didn’t know if it would transfer as an elective/liberal arts course. My college required a 3 out of 5 score minimum for my grade to be accepted as an elective at the college, and by the grace of god, a 3 is what I got. I was lucky, others were not and would have to later re-take the course if they wanted to go to school for something like computer science, or at the worst have to fill in that space with the same/another elective if that class wasn’t a requirement for graduation. If you took AP computer science in high school in the 2021-2022 school year, L + Godspeed, and I am so, so sorry. Men don’t hear this enough but it’s okay to be upset and cry and show “weakness” or whatever. You guys didn’t deserve that for all your hard work and it wasn’t your fault. You did what you could and you did amazing, it’s just gonna take the world a bit longer to see that.
thank you for covering this! School can be super fucking dumb, and this is one of the main things! Making people pay an INSANE amount of money so they can have a chance to go into a damned university (why the hell must there be such a high expectation), so that they can not live in a shit boring exhaustive 9-5 labour job
Storytime With Jeff it’s not necessarily self promotion when the purpose of the video is almost solely on exposing a broken system. All this video needs to blow up is for TH-cam to put it in everyone’s recommended
I got a collegeboard story, I did my SAT last year, and I did the essay, I notice like 6 months later on the site it says 'Essay Canceled' and long story short. They said they misplaced it. THEY MISPLACED IT. They said they couldnt do anything so now I just don't have an essay score
I used collegeboard to prepare for the SAT, and while it was a bit expensive, I found it very helpful. The actual SATs had questions that collegeboard helped prepare me for. I even took a practice test when I first started, and gradually took tests throughout, and my scores got better each time. Them claiming to be a nonprofit is pretty scummy, but they at least did exactly what they said they would. They helped prepare me for the SATs, and they did a good job at it.
I once had an SAT proctor that heard a students phone go off halfway through a test, but since she knew the kid made it into a joke and didn’t even ask for his phone. I was appalled.
Why tf does it matter tho... he wasn’t cheating and it wasn’t on purpose. You sound like a miserable person to want them to be punished over something as minuscule as that.
While I agree with most of this, here are some things to address: 1. As of 2016, the SAT no longer requires an essay 2. Addressing the origin of the SAT does little, as the current one is not in any way racist. It’s past is therefore irrelevant. 3. As unfortunate as it may be, AP tests and SAT scores are quite essential. They show colleges that not only did you learn the essentials of highschool, but you also retained that knowledge. What needs to happen is an actual nonprofit sprouts up to administer these same tests. While this is a pipe dream, it’s a better solution to putting yourself at a disadvantage to deprive college board of a few dollars.
$50 test cost, $12 to send it to each college, $20 SSR, $15 questions and answer service, $100 booklet for studying, $92 AP tests, fees for sending scores and signing up late, releasing scores at the perfect time so that you’re forced to sign up for the next SAT out of fear you did poorly, and poor aid services. But still called a nonprofit :)
Collegeboard said they'll send 1 free admission each year to a college of your choosing but when I checked it turns out my school disabled the feature
There’s no such thing as not for profit
the AP tests have gotten to $125 now T-T
i got all that stuff very easily for free... just ask for a fee waiver
The school I want to go to has an application that costs 75 dollars 😕
Back when I was in high school, every single AP teacher I had, without exception, despised the College Board. I knew one who was attempting to gain a position at the "nonprofit" so they could dismantle it from the inside.
Like Ron Swanson in parks in recs trying to destroy it from the inside
Oh shit
Awesome
Holy shit based teacher
Same. For both of the AP classes I had to take, both teachers hated it.
i wish i actually had aps so that i could help with this
imagine claiming to be a non-profit when you have created a literal monopoly on our own education
Non-profit monopoly has a name; it’s called “the government”.
Loopholes man, that’s the big money meta in today’s rich society
It's not a monopoly, there are other tests.
@@basedmoves that no college cares abt
have you heard of public schools in states with no school choice? public universities?
This aged wonderfully. I graduated high school this past June, and guess where my AP Environmental Science Scores went?
Gone. Reduced to atoms. As well as the scores of everyone else who took it.
It was entirely collegeboard's fault. My school got a receipt from them confirming that all of the scores had indeed been sent in. But nope, in August I got an email (with no apology written in, mind you) saying that my scores were gone. Nothing else. No offer to give me credit for the course, no compensation offer. It was just accept that a year of class was wasted or pay to take another exam.
The worst part? I got off easy out of most of the AP kids. I know kids who had all of their scores lost. 3 entire tests gone. What the actual fuck.
Good thing AP environmental science is probably down near the easiest AP tests. I think it’s between that, AP Comp Sci principles, or maybe even AP foreign language
@@user-bw7xs8gg3d would had seen red for that. Would definitely go to an office of theirs and make a scene. Did the situation resolve itself?
Bruh
you see this is why I put in the barest amount of effort in school because I just know my time and my worth as a human being is not valued under this horrible system
@@beangobernador Try not to be fucked for college n shit tho
Collegeboard once accused me of plagiarism on an AP test for no reason. Had to get my school district officials involved in a whole email campaign to even get a response as to why they were accusing me. I ended up needing to send in a 20 page document explaining how I was capable of writing my assignment. They docked a point because of the effort they had to put in on their end in order to get the score fixed. I failed that test.
EDIT: this got a lot of attention so I thought I’d add on because I forgot to say it.
it was AP computer science principles. I didn’t find out why I didn’t get my score until two weeks after I should have gotten it, when a letter signed by some rep at collegeboard told me my score had been withheld because they believed the code I had written was not original. Even when being asked by the school district office collegeboard completely refused to give us the source they believed I had plagiarized from.
That horrible omg which ap class was that?
What the actual fuck
How tf you plagiarize on an AP test? Memorize a book? What the hell
They removed a point after you proved that you didn't plagiarise... Sounds like they're just mad they were wrong...
If anything, you should earn points because of the effort you had to put in on YOUR end to get the score fixed.
The fact that they say they're nonprofit just makes me dislike their organization even more.
There's a shitton of 501(c)3's that solely exist to make money. Pretty much every pro sports league and every Div1 college football bowl are technically charities.
Chuckie B really? Wow that's just depressing.
They're non-profit! Just like Planned Parenthood!
@@SupersuMC .... yhea but Planned Parenthood was able to give me a free pregnancy test, Emergency contraceptive, and even STD testing. sence I was being abused by my Morman fauther. they asked no questions, Didn't ask for information and insurance was never asked.
planned parenthood fallows a pattern I like. Richter or more Financially stable clients helps pay for people who can't afford it by Haveing them pay normally. it's a good model and even more important now. witch them helping women out of state get hotels or temporary housing.
In the US, a “charity” is only required to donate 51% of the funds they raise. So, the other 49% get used as CEO and upper management bonuses, because they’re not allowed to make a “profit”.
Wouldn’t be upset if legislators changed that percentage to at least 85% of funds being donated
One time I got a nosebleed during the SAT test, and the proctor didn’t help in any way because it might’ve been considered cheating to hand me paper. I sat for about an hour taking the test with one hand while the other was cupped under my nose collecting blood.
Wtf like are they crazy
How can you make your own nose bleed?
@@doodlesyoru2108 your nose can start bleeding in certain weather condition randomly, especially if you pick your nose a lot
@@rivvie How dry was that fucking classroom?
@@doodlesyoru2108 I get nosebleeds from dryness or rapid change in temperature.
The most infuriating part is that we HAVE to take the sat and pay them our money to get into basically any college.
Most of the colleges I applied for didn’t require the SAT, but that was in 2020. I know the college I currently attend does not require SAT scores and they do not factor them in the admissions process.
Almost all public colleges are test optional in this day and age, and even if they’re not, the ACT is cheaper and less of a hassle and counts the same as an SAT
Now all major colleges are making the ACT and SAT scores optional which is good because you should base students on their accumulation of academic growth rather than some arbitrary test that measures how well you can regurgitate info
@@ammarisrar2005good for them
@@Shinyarc yeah but only up until the class of 2025 I heard, from most schools.
For the AP test, also from College Board, one of the essay questions was "What is overrated" and I wrote about how College Board was a scam and got a 4 on that test.
What is the maximum score?
@@mayhair I think a 5
You passed the word count xD
Which Ap test
@@kovo7 Ap language and composition
AP language exams are entirely different beasts.
As a junior, I took AP German and failed. I still had senior year left, and I was convinced that with another year of studying that I could pass it the second time, especially with the claim that it would be "easier." I fail it again, go figure.
Unless one has a spectacular background in the language, many have to guess through almost the entirety of the multiple choice because of how unfairly advanced the vocabulary is.
When the native German - speaking teachers find the exam incredibly difficult you know there's something wrong.
It's not meant to be easy. It has a decently high pass rate anyway.
@@ChrisNotDuncanThat because most people that take the class are Native speakers.
@@ChrisNotDuncan It also isn't meant to be impossible - 5/5 on my one and only AP exam so far (more on the way)
I'm getting my ass beaten by ap french with a 5 in ap phys 1 and calc bc 0 studying for either
ap languages are horror
I’m in ap German rn and my test is soon 😶 should I be scared
I found this elsewhere, but it holds relevance. "I'd rather write a DBQ on why College Board sucks."
Our tear-stained pillowcases will be the documents.
@@lizageorge8923 That seems more like an outside source to me, but okay!
Go ahead then
@@iangreer4585 but we're primary evidence on the debate of the suckiness of college board - why wouldn't we be in the documents?
@@lizageorge8923 Good point.
Alt moral: if you regret anything in your Twitter feed and wish it would no longer be associated with you, criticize the college board and they’ll delete all your mistakes for you
damn THATS SMART
shane dawson could’ve used this
How to avoid getting canceled 101
LMFAO
I don't use twitter so I don't need to worry about that.
Hey Jeff, as someone who does SAT tutoring (TH-cam doesn't pay bills), I co-sign a lot of what you said. HOWEVER, there is a lot to add to this discussion. The lobbying that College Board does to stay in power and keep students dependent on it for college admissions is MASSIVE, and this video only scratches the surface of the racist/classist history. I think there is potential for a much deeper story to tell here that I hope to expose one day soon.
I’d watch that video tbh
They did stay true to their roots , they still favor students from affluent families, ones that can afford private tutors. So in a way it's not just their history, they still do that in an indirect way today
isn't wealth generally an indicator of parental involvement and therefore test scores?
I want to back you, but the moment I read "racist/classist" I got pushed away. Those words have been warped and twisted that I can't trust them anymore.
@@redline841 the test was literally creates to demostrate that white students were better than black students,if they make you uncomfortable it must be because you feel called out
I was kicked out of an SAT because my phone went off before the exam even began. It was ultimately my fault for not being 100% sure it was turned off, but not only did they boot me with no chance of even a refund, but they threatened to cancel everyone else's exam too. Some crazy rules they got going on.
Texas Instruments is right there with them. Not as severe, but that fact that they charge $100 for their ti-84s, which are severely outdated, and that said ti-84s are one of few approved graphing calculators you can use on the SAT shows how much of a scam these companies are
how can a calculator be outdated? math is math
@@dskdev Calculators change Over time.
Better memory, Fixing glitches,
New functions Available etc.
To the Average consumer, The differences Can be Practically undetectable.
But as Some tests Do get Updated for More advanced Mathematics,
sometimes, The calculators Are no Longer as Functional.
one Way to Test a Calculator is Takeing the Square root Of two, Then squaring It.
Some calculators Give the Right answer, 2. some Don't because Of rounding Errors.
Some calculators Develop more User friendly Controls, such As the Casio series.
Hell, there's Graphing calculators With touch Screens now.
The ti-84's Started production In 2004, and They haven't Made any Changes to It.
Sure, it Still functions Mostly fine As a Calculator.
Just like How some Of those Motorola dynatech Phones from 1973, are Still functional, So they Aren't obsolete.
There are Calculators that Are easier To use, Which are Cheaper, and Have more Functionality, and Overall, are Better in Everyway.
@@dskdev how can a phone be outdated, calling is calling.
You really gotta think some more man, my casio calculator had way more features and served me way better because of it
@@kiraangle2823 true
@@kiraangle2823 this is the dynatec, landline is better, the motorola dyna-tec is a brick, which breaks if you overcharge it. It has 20 min usetime before draining.
Damn I knew CB was a scam but I had no idea that the SAT was based on some eugenics crap lmfao
@@pokemonmaster0079 what about our oriental bros??? They are truly the superior race
@@GregCalleja Nobody is superior
@@pokemonmaster0079 Bingo, I did very well on the PSAT's and even better on my SAT while a white friend of mine got a lower score and lived in an impoverished neighborhood since childhood. I was raised in area that was gentrified to high heaven and went to a charter school that rich kids attended. But she is very smart as well. It has nothing to do with intelligence and more so with getting the proper education very early in life.
@@GregCalleja lol half of China is a third world country. Do some research before you talk bud.
@@leonhardeuler6811 STFU, VIETNAM NUMBER 1
The EA of education
The Bethesda of online learning
At least EA is honest about being in it for money and doesn’t claim to be a nonprofit
pay 2,000,000 dollars to enjoy having a small chance of a mediocre, boring, job and having a 99% chance that you're gonna work the same job as your high school friends
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@@amadodiallo3167 Thanks for for promoting Rick Astley...
This video aged well
Like a fine wine
Wait what happened?
what happened
@ the online ap exams were a pretty big disaster, and now they're getting sued for 500 million or something
@@RegularFish2 - Only 1 question in the entire exam. (even though people payed a lot of money to take the exam)
- Only 45 minutes to write a essay.
- Many people had issues submitting their exams at the last second.
- Did I mention it was only 1 question and if you didnt know that 1 question you were screwed?
Current SAT isn't just historically based on racism, made to segregate whites from others. It still has that effect today, and also segregates the rich from the poor, and the powerful from the weak. Even if you do poorly on this crap "test", if you have good credentials and a family full of important people that hold power and influence, you can still get into universities.
The fact that this test that costs nearly 100 dollars per attempt, is done on Saturdays (you SOL if you don't have access to a car), and is graded on a curve, is what decides your fate... it's utterly laughable. It's no different than rolling dice - you can roll the dice in specific ways to try to get the score you want, but you're still at the whims of luck.
To me, the SAT, college admissions, grades and schooling is more classist than it is racist
Hmmm then why do Jews and Asians do so well on these white tests?
@@Janon743
It feels like that, but really its based on group motivation now. Everything has been done to try and bridge the gap and level things out, but strange patterns keep happening no matter what
It's not racist, you tard.
@@redline841yeah, like that poor people do poorly one a test that costs money, is on a Saturday, and able to be tutored for?
remember kids, when you make a college board account to sign up for the SAT make a new email, I get about 10 emails a day from different colleges
God do I wish I have done that, that shit is annoying as hell
@@kiwi_bird I unfortunately didn't, I can probably change my email linked to college board but the damage is done :(
15 years ago. I still get the emails...
@@Pantology_Enthusiast Wait, actually?
I just used my high school email, when it eventually got automatically trashed I stopped dealing with anything college board
I take AP tests for free cause my school covered half the cost for all students taking an AP test, and then covered the rest for any students who qualified for free or reduced pay lunch (i.e. the poor kids). I think I still have to pay for the SAT though, but still, that's a heck of a lot of college credit for free. Obviously this doesn't legitimize what College Board does, they still deserve to be shut down for their business practices.
^ when coupled with an effective support program like the one you mentioned, the AP tests do become wonderful opportunities for students to get ahead. Its just that when they’re by themselves they’re a travesty
Ask your counselor for an SAT waiver. Collegeboard gives waivers through counselors.
Those with free/reduced lunch in my school has to pay $5. Then there are people who pay $95 for each AP exam. It sucks for me because I had to pay full price for three AP exams this year.
In my old school if you had a B average you're test fee would be waived for APs. If you didn't, then you would have to pay but you would be reimbursed if you got at least a 3 on the test.
all the high school students in my district get free ap testing.
All my homies hate college board
Friend of mine's second attempt at the SAT was rejected because his score improved too much. They think he cheated somehow. He never found out what his score was.
Is that even allowed?
Like, you can't just deny a test because you "suspect" that the test was cheated, with no evidence of it!
@@doodlesyoru2108it is allowed. Remember, College board is making the rules here 🙃
@@doodlesyoru2108just happened to me mate
I remember when my AP World History teacher went on a 15 minute rant on how CollegBoard doesn't recognize latine as an actual racial/ethnic group, and that in order to select hispanic/latine, you were forced to select caucasian first, because apparently latine people aren't important enough to be recognized in the educational system.
Lol you’re not important to the system, only rich people are important.
Why should race even matter?
@@ey8648 It shouldn't but generally black/hispanic get priority (Someone I know is white but has enough Hispanic anscestry to count, so he does)
@@headphonesaxolotl Exactly my point, affirmative action sends a very poor message. It essentially states that Asians are too smart and successful, while blacks and hispanics are too stupid and require an unmerited leg up in admissions. Of course this is untrue, but this is exactly the message affirmative action sends, and this racist policy punishes hardworking kids and helps lazier ones.
Thankfully, the really hardworking kids will make the best of their education and succeed no matter what college they attend.
Latin isn't a race it's an ethnicity. You got black and white latin people
I wish my high school counselors would tell us about what other options we had after high school instead of brainwashing everyone to take tests and apply to colleges
My “college prep” school always goes on and on about how “we’re here to give you options” but I know that’s BS. Everything they say is BS.
This year was a bit of a mess, but I’m kinda glad that college board is finally getting called out like this, with the law suit and such (to clarify, still not happy about the submission problems)
oooh what's the lawsuit about?
@@cwmd7651
First one www.classaction.org/blog/glitches-anxiety-panic-the-college-board-hit-with-class-action-over-problem-riddled-at-home-ap-exams
Second One
www.classaction.org/blog/class-action-claims-college-board-sells-student-data-collected-during-standardized-tests
*trying to remember the Pythagorean theorem* Test Procter: Itsa me, Mario!
Yeah I feel so bad for all the people who had a bad wifi connection or a bad computer or both that made it a lot harder to submit the test I was just lucky I had a good internet connection and laptop.
To be fair, if you need to *try* in order to remember the Pythagorean theorem, you likely weren’t going to do well on the test anyway.
@@jimothy2361 Not everyone uses the Pythagorean theorem on a daily basis, the last time you studied it it might have been years ago
Edit: I retract my original statement, it took 2 years before I realized that the context was a test. Yeah, if you care about doing well on the test then you should certainly know the theorem.
@@MC_Busta verizon dsl is the only option here. >.3mbps down, "0.00" mbps up, 1400+ ping, 60+% packet loss. but i live in a "busy" area, apparently. (under 1000 people per square mile.) submissions took several minutes and i never got answers through on one test. (before the email option.) fuck my life.
A^2+B^2=C^2
I highly agree. 🤣🤣. For example this year's APs were a disaster
I had a breakdown when I took my test when it crashed . Cried for 4hrs STRAIGHT < that’s what the system does to people it fucks u up
Besides how buggy it was, the price was insane. Usually, you're paying more than $100 to take a good test, but this time it was just ONE question.
It's clear that CollegeBoard only cares about money
Did you take the AP world exam? That was a wild ride
+Ale's Vlogs Of Fun yet college board has the audacity to blame you for that. No, that’s their fault for creating this disastrous system.
+Keanu Chungus How was it?
me and my friends had a mc server where we had craftable spawn eggs, and every time was spawned a warden we would name it college board executive
I know this is a little late, but as a private company, them asking for things like, phone number, social security number, and age/DOB is predatory because they can send that out to people if they want; If they are hacked you are now completely known to the world and beyond, and in some schools they require you to make a account with collegeboard.
In the words of my AP European history teacher, “collegeboard is the Antichrist”
Edit: Mr Hagney! You’re famous!!
+1
Respect for your teacher 👏 🙏🙌
Your teacher is a real one
In my APUSH class, while we were reading the sermon "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God", my teacher told us to replace all instances where it says "God" with "CollegeBoard"
@@dp12938 it does check out, though - they're both all-seeing, all-knowing, and if you do one thing even remotely wrong they will both massively screw up your life.
Moral of the story: Twitter is trash and collegeboard needs competition
Twitter isn't trash.
It's a cesspool.
They don't need competition.
They need erased.
lol twitter being trash implies that it was once useful before it was thrown away
I mean, there's the ACT. But the problem isn't only the company. It's the way our education system as a whole is managed. It's not here to educate and raise well-adjusted children, it's to create an army of sheep to generate wealth for the elites.
@raffle baffle humor
They're gonna botch ur SAT scores for UChicago 😂
Good thing it’s test optional
Did you get in to uchicago? Bro, what's up
uchicago economists ruined American society
@@paolaparkeuu Test optional doesn't mean that they don't care about what you got. It just means you can apply without taking it. Obviously they're more likely to accept someone who got a good score on the ACT.
@@alexxie5649 Bruh I'm from chicago and don't know if I'll get into UChicago. Their stats are fucking. insane for the average student. 4.5 GPA??? 35 on the ACT and 1580 on SAT??? Like what in. the actual fuck.
I have a disability, and it was such a struggle to get basic accomodations, and when my AP test rolled around, they got stripped away by my school and cb claimed I had never asked. Fuck collegeboard.
In the words of my art teacher last spring, “hire a 9 year old taking coding classes from a high school senior and have them code the next college board website. Nothing anyone can code could be worse than what college board calls a ‘website’”
on GOD though... besides being a bad company their website is shit
This would be infinitely funnier if said art teacher also had a fair background in web development lol
Straight Facts, I really hate how Collegeboard owns this monopoly over education, basically do or die because unfortunately (other than IB and maybe dual enrollment) you can't really be competitive with no AP Classes. Only positive side is that it does save you money in college but there are many many of these exams that don't even count for college credit.
You honestly need none of that. You don't even need to get into a ridiculously good college. In fact, going into a hyper competitive college will actually degrade your confidence because you are constantly surrounded by basically the 1% highest scoring students, and you will compare yourself to your peers. It's more beneficial to go to a good college that has a reasonable acceptance rate, as you will still get a very similar education without the pain.
I don’t think there is any other country that privatized college admissions.
Yes, education shouldn't be a monopoly and shouldn't at all costs be a sector exploited by various companies.
Some states have early college high schools which also can help a lot.
Dual enrollment is literally 1000% better. I did AP Freshman and Sophomore year and it was MISERABLE. Awful. I’m sure you all know. Junior and Senior year I moved to dual enrollment. Best change ever. Yeah, it’s more expensive depending on your state but definitely worth it compared to AP
when you studied all year for your stats exam, but it doesn't even let you turn in your answers during the 45 minute exam with two questions that's supposed to test your knowledge for the whole year :)
Smh I’m so sorry you had to sit through that - hopefully this kind of stuff doesn’t happen again
I almost had that same experience. I was among the first to experience hell this year. I took AP Physics C Mechanics and AP Physics C Electricity and Magnetism.
Regardless of the fact that question 2 on both exams was more bullshit than bullshit ever was, I missed the submission deadlines for mechanics question 1. I don't know if they will accept the blood sweat and tears I put into that work, as I submitted it with question 2. The worst part of it all is that we have to wait until mid July to see if we are 'smart enough' to earn college credits.
I’m already in college so this didn’t effect me. I’m still trying to wrap my head around how this test only had one or two questions. How does that work?
@@selkrasouza6262 it doesn't work
@@selkrasouza6262 2 FRQ questions, 30 minutes to complete the first one, 20 to complete the second one. The FRQs have multiple parts, and you submit them all together on a word document when you have 5 minutes remaining. It's not enough time, it's not enough material to test you on a year's worth of content. It's a joke, really.
I’m so angry education is literally the life blood of a functioning system that relies on voting but it’s always treated as an afterthought
That's because corruption despises an educated populace.
¡ 𝑎 𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑎 𝑠𝑝𝑎𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑟𝑏 𝑎𝑐𝑎𝑑𝑒𝑚𝑦 ! 𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑖𝑠𝑛🌈𝑡 𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑡🌈 𝑖𝑡🌈𝑠 𝑛𝑒𝑎𝑟 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑝𝑜𝑝 。
because no one wants anyone to think for themselves, you’re meant to look to the elites for opinions they’ll shepherd you toward.
@@kovici7226 makes me want to start my own form of education
@@cypherial the corrupt are who design the education system in the first place. The modern public education system was founded by the Rockefellers to create obedient factory workers. They don't want us to be actually educated or intelligent, they want us smart enough to be their wage slaves and do their dirty work but not too smart so that the majority of people will figure them out.
I agree that college board is a SHIT COMPANY and EXPLOITS TEENS. It is absolutely ridiculous that last year I had to pay $300 for 3 tests 7+ months before the test date so that when I realized I wasn't equipped for one of them and backed it was far too late for a refund. And also just to pay this amount for something you aren't even guaranteed to pass.
HOWEVER! It is built into the system so hard that people cannot just stop giving them money. I realized this once I got to college. To summarize for highschoolers or younger, each class is worth 3 credits. Taking and passing an AP test can remove one class or more! The credits required for graduation at my college is 130, but for special majors like mine, it is 145. This means I would have to take about 6-7 classes a semester (or some during the summer) to graduate in 4 years which is A LOT. Since I took these horrible AP tests, I already had 15 credits going into college which means I do not have to take that many. Additionally these AP classes I took mostly knocked out GE's, or General Education classes. These are required classes not pertaining to your major. This means I can take more classes required for my major early on. For example I do not have to take an English class because of AP Lang + AP Lit and I only have to take one math class instead of two because of AP Calc. I honestly wish I took more AP classes.
In summary,
if you are planning to go to a 4-year university right after highschool instead of Community College, take as many AP classes you can handle. Apply for fee waivers or I forgot the specific name but if you qualify then AP tests will only be $10 each. I never bought a AP prep book my entire life and passed every test I took; you can also find old AP tests online for free.
Sorry for long rant and extra sorry if it is confusing, I still hate college board and english is not my first language. I just wanted to share some tips.
Thank you for those tips I’m currently in high school and I found this piece of information very useful
I second this, though a year late I would like to further add that even if you are planning on attending community college, still consider taking the ap tests. Especially if you are like me and will be pursuing a high unit major like computer engineering or really any type of stem/med major. Being able to skip general ed classes and prerequisites allows you to get through your education quicker which is especially important if you have grants that will pay for your education for only so long.
This year I was informed that they had lost my AP Psychology multiple choice portion from last year. I've been given the option of retaking it or just canceling it all. The anger I felt while reading that letter lol.
Reading this comment it and others along it seems that you are not the only one the college board has “lost” their tests, makes me skeptical that perhaps they are purposefully terminating it and in other comments I’ve found that they accuse people of cheating when getting high-scores without there being evidence of them doing so
This year my online AP music theory test was a disaster
Beyond the changed structure which ruined most of the important parts, such as the sight singing, the instructions were so vague and confusing
To top that when I entered the test there were things on there I’ve never seen before in any of the collegeboard practice tests or in my AP study book
Then after submitting the audio recording and photo submission for the part writing and sight singing I get an email at one in the morning saying the code was corrupt and I would have to retake it
Considering I used my school issued computer I thought it was probably something wrong with its audio recording, and spent a week messaging and talking to IT at my school and teachers
Then I get another email saying that it was just a mistake on their part and they simply mislabeled a file I submitted
I was going to have to retake it not because of something I did, but because they mislabeled a file
Smh how could they mess up your test and then blame you for it. Hoping your retake goes well!
Storytime With Jeff I don’t have to retake it anymore
Sage Bauland what happened?
Shaheen Rajith They found his file
qa@
"makes money exclusively off of exploiting mislead children..." is he talking about Collegeboard or Jake Paul?
All of the above
@You Wot M8 at least pornhub doesn't demand your money.
Or pay2win/lootboxes games
yeah
Yes.
Funny thing is, a lot of colleges ignore your AP classes and dont give a shit that you took them. To them the fact you didnt pay them the money is enough to make you take the class again.
🤦🏾
most colleges have a list of minimum scores that they'd accept for each ap class. taking an ap class alone means nothing, you actually need to do well on the exam
@@sonofben3322 yep, I got english and science credits for taking ap lit, lang, and environmental science and scoring well on all 3. I liked taking ap classes for the gpa boost since our grades were multiplied by 1.1 as well. But my school mandated that we take the ap tests if we took the classes, which was braindead considering there was no way I would pass ap euro enough to get any credit for it with my awful teacher, so it was just a waste of money.
It’s refreshing to hear, students and teachers alike, despise Collegeboard. Because ALL throughout my high school, taking AP classes and getting 4/5 on an exam was treated like a mark of superior intellect. If you’re a high school student, you need to hear this: your scores don’t tell you anything about your potential.
I’m supposed to get four AP scores from this year ten days from now,, and the STRESS i am feeling while reading all the stories in these comments. literal cold sweat 😰
I'm in the exact same situation
What'd you get
My macroeconomic teacher in high school literally gave us the macroeconomic AP exams from previous years to help us better understand the questions and answer them correctly. He was a great teacher and extremely knowledgeable but i feel like even he knew the exams were a bu ch of bs and wanted us to pass.
???
Isn't that literally the best way to review content? Replicate the exact testing conditions for your exam while answering questions that could just as likely be on your exam? I don't see that as a tactic to just get you to pass the exam and learn nothing, those mock exams you took were good ways to practice what you know and simulate how you would do on an actual exam.
That's basically the bare minimum of competency as a teacher. Are there teachers who don't force or at least seriously recommend(with extra credit or something) taking old tests?
@@oswaldrabbit1409 nope.
That’s what my AP Euro teacher did, we had Saturday’s where we had mock Ap tests, MCQs and writing questions. Me and my friend attended all of them, we both managed to get a 5 this year on the test. Practice AP tests are very useful especially a month or two before the real Ap test when you know almost all the info but need more experience.
My AP Calc teacher used to call the AP tests "against passing"
I failed every college board test I've taken and I'm making all As as a jr in college
So that just shows that you're lazy or lack discipline and that you don't care about putting any effort into things that don't interest you? I don't know why people think flunking is an accomplishment, or some super meaningful symbol of rebellion that will somehow spark a revolution or something. If I were your employer and I saw such inconsistency in your performance I would fire you instantly.
@@NightmareBlade10 I never said that it was an accomplishment. You've failed to understand my point. I failed my AP test because there was too much pressure on me when studying and taking the test. I had to work a job ever day in highschool, I needed that job so I could pay for the AP test because my family couldn't afford it. Having a job and AP classes is a very difficult thing to do. Its hard to stay up and finish homework every night again and again. I studied my ass off for those test, I even passed the AP classes with high averages. The point of my comment was to inform people that even if you do fail the AP test or it doesnt work out, they will be fine. A test does not determine how great you'll do. I'm excelling in college because I am not lazy and I am disciplined as all people are who take rigorous courses. You are so high on your horse that my point flew past you and you misunderstood. Because you are so full of yourself, I think I'd be the one firing you and I'd be the one you would follow in a revolution now that I think about it. So before you judge me any further I want you to take a look at yourself and think about what influenced you to think so low of me when it is actually yourself who is the smaller person.
@@eyesack2546 Alright, so you're saying that it was too hard for you to put any amount of effort into studying so you decided to quit and waste your money. And you say you've done this multiple times for multiple exams? Sounds like cowardice to me. You put in the hours necessary to get enough money to pay for those tests all by yourself and in the end you threw it all away like a dumbass because you couldn't be bothered to pull through the final stretch. That just shows how naive and ignorant you are. "Oh studying is too hard, so let me squander all of my blood, sweat, and tears because it would be easier for me" Stop setting a bad example for others by encouraging others to give up, intentionally wasting opportunities given to them just because *you* felt it was too much of a pain to keep it up.
@@NightmareBlade10 Have you taken an AP test before? Those test are difficult. I assure you that I took alot of time to study for those tests. And cowardice? You clearly cannot think for yourself so I'll do it for you. I took all those test, I worked to take those test, and I put myself through it to finish the test and the classes while people around me quit. I'm not afraid to say that I failed them because I know I did everything I could. Just like these kids are doing. You don't know my life. You'll never know my struggles. Just like how you don't understand or know the struggles that these students are going through. You are so disrespectful. These AP test are done though. My message is to people who are worrying about their grades when they shouldn't. My point expresses that collegeboard does not determine how well you do in college. I'm not saying that these people still should not try their hardest. Im saying they shouldn't be so hard on theirselves when college board is so terrible. Did I lay it all out for you? I think I did.
@@NightmareBlade10 I've ran out of time to entertain this further. Goodluck to you and all your future endeavors. Have fun with your TH-cam stuff.
In the 2019 college board AP English Language test, one of the essay prompts was to write about something you find "overrated". I wrote about AP exams and why they're overrated. Some points I made
1) It isn't a accurate way to measure a student. Rather, its a dumb way. Ex. Take the 2017 AP Human Geo question that no one knew about. As a short answer question, it held a lot of weight to it, and it recorded over 75% of students getting a 0 on the question alone. If CB wasn't under so much fire for including the question, a lot of students would have gotten their 5s or 4s dropped down by a score. And in case you don't know, this can make a MASSIVE difference for the student
2) If a student does well all year on a course that is meant to be way more challenging, they probably won't get rewarded anyway. I'll use myself as an example. Despite achieving a 4 in the AP gov test, most schools I applied to either only took a 5 or not at all. So a student looking to go to a higher end university is likely to not be rewarded for their hard work anyway. I passed all but my APUSH exams (4/5) and only will receive credit for one, AP stats (which UIUC takes at a 4) What was the point of me taking a test, let alone an entire course, if I pass the test only to get told that what I didn't ultimately doesn't matter or count, and my mental health was shattered while trying to juggle 3 AP and 2 Dual Credit classes.
3) The system is pay to win. A student that comes from higher income households can get way more resources, likely go to a better school, and is more likely to have less stress over the class (per stats I won't bother to look up to find the source) So a student that is more likely to do well anyway is the one that needs to worry less
but what score did you get?
@@luisishere987 a 5
@@luisishere987 *4
OH MY GOD, I can completely relate.
I also wanna point out some of the disadvantages that can happen in the middle of the exams.
I remember for my AP Chem exam literally just a few weeks ago, I was really ready for it. I had studied a lot for it, and while there were a few things I wasn't the strongest in (e.g. buffers), I felt pretty good about the exam.
But guess what, just before the exam, I got a really bad headache, and thus could barely even think, since I just wanted to get the exam quickly over with.
So yeah, there's also just stuff in the middle of exams that can happen that make it difficult to accurately gauge someone's capacity for the subject
It’s ridiculous to me the entire college admissions process, instead of being a series of academic challenges to measure your skills, is literally just a shameless row of paywalls locking your from your future potential. Students shouldn’t have to put more thought into how they’re gonna pay than how they’re actually going to do well in their education
Deadass needed to do the SAT to pass highschool. It’s a requirement in our district 💀
Didn’t even have to perform well, just had to do it in order to pass
Did you have to pay?
@@elisarich7107 yep
@@r.a.g.3428ah so essentially "pay this Monopoly money to pass high school"
@@r.a.g.3428So much for "public" school
Brother, the whole entire american education system is seriously, SERIOUSLY flawed
It ain’t flawed, it’s just straight out broken. The whole thing needs a total reform.
@@Tortilla_Pizzeria_Pixels you’re exactly right
For anyone who's about to take these tests: don't stress yourself over these tests. As it is you still need to take the tests, but NEVER study for the sake of testing. Study for the sake of understanding. That's what will really help you both get into and get through college, and probably beyond as well.
I’m focusing on building the f*** out of my extracurricular experience and getting a good rep with teachers as opposed to testing.
Got an A on an CollegeBoard AP test while the rest of my class got Bs or lower. Was happy until I asked around and I realized I had a completely different test than everyone else.
My school district actually paid all AP test fees under condition that you actually attended the test. Found out the reason for this was one of the teachers saying her kids weren’t taking any of the tests because she couldn’t afford to pay for them. Still got the insane 2022 Calc AB moving line though. How anyone thought that question was doable is beyond me.
Great job! I'm an AP instructor myself and from a teaching perspective, AP programs offer great flexibility for instruction and something different from regular stream classrooms (teachers have full control over the curriculum). Problem is most teachers just teach to the exam (which is NOT the class) and really believe the narrative that AP scores will help admissions (which they do, but nowhere near as much as GPA and school involvement). In the end, remember that community college is a great option kids! Even for the smart kiddoes!
Also remember that college isn't the only path to a comfortable life of success. Don't just go to college because that's what your teachers and parents expect of you, that's how you end up with a degree you'll never use and hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt that you'll never repay. If you aren't interested in becoming a lawyer, doctor, engineer, or academic, you should consider just starting your adult life instead of spending four more years in school. I graduated university and enjoyed it, but if I hadn't wanted to be an engineer (still not even sure that's what I really want) I would have gone to trade school.
I also had a Twitter problem with college Board. Litterally 2 days before the ap calculus test I tweeted “@collegeboard please give us a freebie problem and make one of them a graph of a derivative where we answer stuff like what’s the relative min and max” and what do you know the first question on the ap calc test 2020 was that exact problem. A graph of a derivative where we answer stuff like what is the relative min. And after the test cause I thought it was funny that I tweeted that and they had it I went to go check my tweet and it was gone without a trace I was like wtf
It literally disappeared without any warning like I never even tweeted it
That is really strange what the heck
Storytime With Jeff omg I found my tweet I had to do a deep search for it twitter.com/luvis_pain/status/1259936261344763905?s=21 but yah I literally predicted question 1 a day before the exam
@@Coolgiy67 Yeah that's cause you made a comment about what was on the test - which you aren't supposed to discuss in person or over online.
@@zach1763 it was before the test
I hate collegeboard the same as the next guy, but how do I justify the nearly year of college credit it saved me from scoring well on APs?
It’s almost like a necessary evil in some students’ lives
Thanks for reminding me - its important to remember that as bad as the company is, their services are still useful
Because they have completely monopolized the college prep exam. They have forced all of us to use ONLY college board to meet our needs. Do not get me started about the absurd amount of money the tests costs.
Timothy Pickarski never say that last sentence again
Timothy Pickarski well if college wasnt so unnecessarily expensive then we wouldnt need collegeboards bullshit in the first place
It’s useful when it works. I spent $85 for my response not to go through. Yes, it is my fault that I worked to the very last second and missed the submission time, but they said I could send it in an email and it would still be graded. There was no confirmation email like they said there would be. I’m too late to register for a make up. Two entire fucking paychecks down the drain.
All Collegeboard ever did to me was give me Sleep Deprivation and made me cram study all of the material that was on the test.
That's literally your fault lmao
@@spacix4118they have a good point
The more you look into ANY company making a decent amount of money you start to see that cartoons actually portray evil people quite accurately.
When I had to take the ACT I got tutoring for it prior. The FIRST thing they told me is that the test isn’t about intelligence, it’s about seeing how well you can figure out how they’re trying to trick you. Needless to say they taught me how to properly see the tricks in the questions, and I got a pretty decent score in the end.
Why is our entire academic worth based on sitting in a room for hours mindlessly bubbling answers (aka the SAT)???????
Why is our academic worth also based on how well we can be factory workers within a factory system? (School and grades, getting the objectives and regurgitationing said objectives on each test)
Next year I’m in AP Research, where you basically write one huge essay for the whole year. If I legitimately wrote an essay about the College Board, would that screw my chances of getting credit? I legitimately might do it.
Do it! :D
Probably too late to this but **do it**. Lol
Did you do it?
Did you do it, what were the results
I know this is 2 years old but there’s no reason to risk screwing up your credit just to make a point
I knew collegeboard was a scam when I was actually in my junior year of high school. I couldn't stand preparing for the SAT, taking the SAT, and the fact that the whole process and test(s) are treated as the end all be all for getting into college and things of that nature.
applying to colleges currently and WOW this made me suddenly not feel so regretful of never taking AP classes or SAT tests
I mean if you're not competing for top 50 schools in the United States, you should have no need to, otherwise its quite important to have a high sat and plenty of ap classes
Fun fact: I was accepted into a private college and two public universities and I never took any SAT, AP, ACT tests or anything like that. I didn't graduate from high school which allowed me to skip that garbage. I got my GED early and did a couple years of community college. With good grades from CC, I was able to get accepted into the schools I wanted without interacting with Collegeboard at all, thankfully.
Kind of sad that the only viable way to avoid them is to leave high school at 16 or 17 lol.
I do recommend jumping straight into community college as soon as possible though, because I got a much better education than I did at my high school and did more meaningful work there. The work study opportunities and social life alone were worth it, but the freedom to choose which classes and areas of study I wanted really seals it for me. If you're halfway decent at school you should be able to pass the GED test without studying. I barely attended high school past my sophomore year and passed my first try (granted this was a decade ago so maybe it's harder now.)
So yea my first ap exam was a disaster :D
Sorry to hear that :(
Same bud
Mood. Took CALC AB. Just cried. Submitted nothing. Wasn't able to retake. ✌
same
So guys, I will take an APUSH test and a Computer Science Principles test on College Board. Should I be scared? Not really, right? I mean, they are my first ever AP tests...
The SAT basically killed any hope I had of getting into college. GPA doesn't even matter these days.
SAT is test optional now with most colleges, but still, that means increase in competition
Just go to community college and transfer to a university. It’s cheaper, and they don’t look at SAT scores and you don’t need a high GPA in high school.
@@happysloth3208 second this. I also learned most of what I know in my field from community college. Although some of the last classes I took at Uni were also useful
@@HonsHon yep, community college was the best decision I ever made. Saved me so much money and I was able to take my time, and work.
@@happysloth3208 That's the best way. I started at a community college and now I teach at a university.
this year, i took the AP Biology test, but because of the coronavirus, i paid for and took a two question test.
TWO. QUESTIONS.
Because the test I got was nothing like the one i prepared for, i failed.
my whole year of learning and the 94 dollars i worked for and paid them ultimately meant nothing, and i’m glad someone finally addressed how terrible of a company they are.
During my SAT test, the instructor farted and grunted super loud for the entire test. My focus was broken on multiple occasions and is likely one of the reasons why I had to take it a second time. Upon taking the test a second time the distractions were even worse as people in the next room were talking at a level close to yelling, and the door opened and slammed closed constantly with a rush of loud car engines flooding into the testing room. Even worse, the testing instructor didn't walk around to make sure we weren't cheating. If I wanted to, I could've cheated the whole way through. It's infuriating that I spend close to 20-40 hours a week for months to score high on this test, only to not be given the most basic testing environment.
Honestly, I’m really glad that I am behind the curve compared to others as academically achieving as I am in the entire country. I can’t really take AP classes until junior year because of electives being filled with foreign language and required classes for graduation plus having to take honors or get good grades on regular classes to enroll in an AP class. Don’t pay the college board that much. Remember that AP classes aren’t going to be the sole deciding factor of getting into a university or not. A lot of kids take way too many hard AP classes in high school to get “ahead” and end up seeing minimal return from it (also being miserable). So if you haven’t taken any AP classes yet and you’re a sophomore, you don’t need to worry. Some colleges don’t even care about AP tests and make you take another emission exam, like in Jeff’s case.
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Yeah I hate foreign language and required classes that can't be college classed because 1. I'm barely learning anything 2. I'm jam-packed with people from about every grade from freshman to senior.
One of the questions on my SAT was converting Fahrenheit to Celsius with a real and accurate formula. I had to convert 9.9F into C which should be a negative answer. However there was no way to input a negative into the answer. So unless 9.9-32 isn’t a negative or a positive fraction times a negative whole number is a positive, then that question was rigged.
I taught AP Euro and AP Gov for 5 years and I finally found a video that clearly articulated my thoughts. Bless you for making this lol.
you telling me people making money off of education who aren't directly educating those children for a living is a bad thing and giving the reins of the education system to a for profit corporation wasn't the best idea?
A for profit company in education isn't inherently a bad idea. If one company repeatedly treats their customers like shit, maybe go somewhere else. But it hasn't played out that way. College board has a monopoly, the ACT isn't really in competition with it, in many cases it's advised to take both tests. And if companies were competing futures could be ruined, in order for competition to result in a better service, there first has to be some worst service that people get fed up with and leave from. In education, it can't come to that point, it has to be good from the get go
The education system sucks regardless if a “for profit corporation” is in charge. State-mandated education was created to make children accept authority, and that’s what it still exists for.
That’s why schools have rules like: no wearing hats, no going to restroom without permission, no hoods up, etc.
@@ski7301 I have never once seen those rules enforced.
@@aldegator my highschool had all of those rules enforced, and uniforms too.
@@orsencart as recently as YESTERDAY I have seen gangs of children leave classrooms without teacher interference.
As a person who spent 5 months emailing and calling simply to get my password reset. I agree
PSATS, SATS, and AP exams are also hell for kids like me who have similar experiences with ADHD. If we finish early, they just force us to sit there for so long without doing anything, staring at the wall and trying not to lose our minds. Seriously, at least let me read or something! I'm not hiding any notes or answers, I promise! I just need stimulation!
When lil bro never learned pacing for testing and now is having minor breakdowns during the test
@@jeffli071 Have you ever realized that people go at different paces? I do pace myself, but my pace is evidently faster than yours.
@@rosykindbunny1313 yeah that's why you change your pace. its not a good thing that you could finish the English section 30 minutes early. its like criticizing the college admission system to take only the highest GPA students, when you slacked there. Because again, "some people aren't as work driven"
@@rosykindbunny1313 Little bro are you changing your response to make me sound redundant? I have diagnosed ADHD and had to learn pacing over 3 months, you yapping about having speed problems is no one's issue but yours.
@jeffli071 Who said I finished 30 minutes early? It's tough for us even with 10 minutes left. And what does GPA and college admissions have to do with this? Do you assume because I'm a quicker test-taker that I do badly on tests?
That twitter ban was a more shocking death scene than the red wedding.
I transferred to a school that somehow had no pre-existing relationship with the college board. I had to pay like seventy USD to have my transcript mailed to me, and like an extra thirty to get it there overnight. Four months later, I was already done with the first year classes I had to retake senselessly, and my transcripts arrived via the cheapest US Postal Service shipping method.
This appeared in my recommended and I’m not complaining
Last year I took my AP US government class, on day one our teacher told us that college board will give the material to study the Supreme Court cases that they will test us on. Instead he gave us a pdf of 15 generally known ones summarized. Then still, there was a question about a Supreme Court case we had never heard of.
I got a college board ad on this video 💀
Exactly. When I was about to take the AP Literature and Composition Exam after staying up two nights before, the proctor and my classmates were unable to even take the exam!! As per the CollegeBoard fashion, they didn’t even own up to their mistake! Now, we have to take the written exam, which is much, much, much more stressful…. I hope this monopoly changes their ways
yall tell me why my AP lang exam was one essay and when I tweeted to the author who wrote the exerpt of our essay(apologizing for how much i botched her article as a joke), she responded 'there were no rhetorical vices--i should know, i wrote the book'.
LIKE YALL
THEY AINT EVEN TRYING BRO
rhetorical vices? did she mean rhetorical devices?
I was so fucking done with CB after I took my AP Bio exam. The first question had ten fucking parts and there was only 30 minutes to do them _and_ turn them in. 3 minutes was most definitely not long enough for a lot of those parts. Fuck College Board and standardized tests and I'm glad many colleges don't require SAT and ACT scores (I've even seen a few that recommend _against_ reporting standardized test scores).
very pleased that this showed up on my feed today, as collegeboard is currently going thru major technical difficulties
Got this video recommended after I finished my PSATs. On Friday the 13th. Great timing
They have a ton of money please just make more servers
Worse than fallout 76
Storytime With Jeff At least people can have fun playing Fallout 76
@@thenamesleon3723 good joke
College (especially in the US) is the educational equivalent of a nuclear waste dump. You could genuinely get a better education in probably 90% of things by just watching TH-cam, and without going into debt for your whole life.
College’s price tag sucks a lot, but this statement isn’t true for most fields in STEM, certain disciplines in things like Law, Finance etc that you really do need college education for
Also, TH-cam is run by a corrupt organization itself, with algorithms designed to put you down rabbit holes and consume meaningless content
Bottom line is that there’s pros and cons with all these things
I’m currently acing college simply because of how much time I spend on TH-cam so I can definitely confirm. The education system is basically just there to convince you that being overworked and underpaid on an unrealistic schedule is normal so the mega corporations can do whatever they want and still have employees.
TH-cam is such a great resource for education on a ton of topics, and educational videos are often structured such that they're interesting to watch and not something that causes you to instantly dissociate like textbooks. It's often discredited because anyone can upload videos, but you just need to be careful and filter out channels that misinform.
Anyone else noticing all the comments are from the last week, even though this is three months old?
Because of... recent events
Yea, a couple weeks ago they did online AP exams. The site was absolutely broken. The submit button didn't work for some people, and a lot of the tests that were submitted got labeled as "lost".
*This video is aging better with each passing year!*
In my senior year of high school, I took a class called “AP computer science principles.” Our final assignment/exam consisted of two parts. The first part was written code that had to be able to sort through a list through user inputted information and return other information associated with the user input, and something else I can’t remember. The second half was a typical multiple choice exam where we’d have to do things like complete code, figure out which line was causing an error, predict the outcome of a section of code, etc.
Most of the class was big strong Catholic school guys as we were known for our sports program. I was one of two girls in the class, the other one was a foreign exchange student so I never got to know her. We had already completed our code and sent it in to collegeboard so we’re either screwing around on the computers or studying for the exam. Our teacher, a guy who looks exactly like Jim from “The Office” comes in and makes an announcement. The old geezers at collegeboard had decided to change the grading criteria for the practical portion of the exam… which we had already handed in. Our grades now fell in the hands of either god, the second half of the exam, or how much our code just happened to follow the new criteria. I saw men cry that day. I didn’t care for my collegeboard score, I was going to an art school for Game Art and just thought that knowing coding was a good idea for the industry I wanted to be in post-graduation. Getting college credits for it was a plus but not my priority as I didn’t know if it would transfer as an elective/liberal arts course. My college required a 3 out of 5 score minimum for my grade to be accepted as an elective at the college, and by the grace of god, a 3 is what I got. I was lucky, others were not and would have to later re-take the course if they wanted to go to school for something like computer science, or at the worst have to fill in that space with the same/another elective if that class wasn’t a requirement for graduation. If you took AP computer science in high school in the 2021-2022 school year, L + Godspeed, and I am so, so sorry. Men don’t hear this enough but it’s okay to be upset and cry and show “weakness” or whatever. You guys didn’t deserve that for all your hard work and it wasn’t your fault. You did what you could and you did amazing, it’s just gonna take the world a bit longer to see that.
The fact that my family has to drive over an hour to go to a SAT testing location for 504 students.
thank you for covering this! School can be super fucking dumb, and this is one of the main things! Making people pay an INSANE amount of money so they can have a chance to go into a damned university (why the hell must there be such a high expectation), so that they can not live in a shit boring exhaustive 9-5 labour job
I wish this video can become viral so everyone can see this
You could help me out with that by sharing ;) jk self promotion is cringy
Storytime With Jeff it’s not necessarily self promotion when the purpose of the video is almost solely on exposing a broken system. All this video needs to blow up is for TH-cam to put it in everyone’s recommended
@@langyuan4945 that how I ended up finding it
I got a collegeboard story, I did my SAT last year, and I did the essay, I notice like 6 months later on the site it says 'Essay Canceled' and long story short. They said they misplaced it. THEY MISPLACED IT. They said they couldnt do anything so now I just don't have an essay score
I used collegeboard to prepare for the SAT, and while it was a bit expensive, I found it very helpful. The actual SATs had questions that collegeboard helped prepare me for. I even took a practice test when I first started, and gradually took tests throughout, and my scores got better each time.
Them claiming to be a nonprofit is pretty scummy, but they at least did exactly what they said they would. They helped prepare me for the SATs, and they did a good job at it.
and thats on studying for hours and still have to take the retake
I once had an SAT proctor that heard a students phone go off halfway through a test, but since she knew the kid made it into a joke and didn’t even ask for his phone. I was appalled.
I stan stan teacher
Why tf does it matter tho... he wasn’t cheating and it wasn’t on purpose. You sound like a miserable person to want them to be punished over something as minuscule as that.
....appalled for what?
@@bluewuppo have you ever listened to the rules that they read before EVERY SINGLE TEST?
@@generalh1044 its been a year L
1. I chose IB because I hate AP + other reasons
2. I got a monopoly ad before the video started
lol
While I agree with most of this, here are some things to address:
1. As of 2016, the SAT no longer requires an essay
2. Addressing the origin of the SAT does little, as the current one is not in any way racist. It’s past is therefore irrelevant.
3. As unfortunate as it may be, AP tests and SAT scores are quite essential. They show colleges that not only did you learn the essentials of highschool, but you also retained that knowledge. What needs to happen is an actual nonprofit sprouts up to administer these same tests. While this is a pipe dream, it’s a better solution to putting yourself at a disadvantage to deprive college board of a few dollars.
2:36 WHEW that excerpt absolutely floored me