Superb and underrated film with a great performance from Caan. Really captures the desperation of the compulsive gambler perfectly. The scene where Caan has taken a big loss and then on the way home bets on a game of street basketball in a desperate search of some kind of win, now that's fine filmmaking
Compare the street basketball game in The Gambler with the same in Mississippi Grind. In Mississippi Grind, Ryan Reynolds bets that he can beat a street player one on one same as Caan, and then when he loses claims he can't pay, even though he's carrying about ten grand. The street players beat him up and then are surprised to find that he has more than enough on him to pay. I believe the scene was somewhat of a tribute to The Gambler, the concept of putting yourself deliberately in a bad situation just to feel the edge.
@@Fordham1969Everything is connected, nothing is separate. All attributes and morality can be attributed to anything that exists, whether it be a thing, action or thought, depending on perspective. And all perspectives are of equal value, for they exist, existence being the only knowable truth of the universe. In some form, we, whatever we are and whatever this is, exist. We cannot prove that any one religion, philosophy or scientific fact to be correct or superior to another, due to the limitations of our vessel. We can, however, acknowledge that in some form that the universe, and all it entails, exists.The we can accept the many gifts and deprivations of the world, free of judgement, and we may find eternal beauty in the eclectic paradox that is reality.
Dostoevsky doesn’t say this. The character of the underground man who Dostoevsky literally prefaces the book to say is not himself says this. So many people misrepresent Dostoevsky by assuming he just uses his characters as mouthpieces for his own opinion. He was a great writer, not a propagandist
I believe that the “manuscript” part of notes is to be taken quite literally. It is still tinged with irony in parts but the whole philosophy that it is speaking about does make sense. Whatever the character in this scene interpreted it as, however, is not at all what the passage means.
that is part of why it is so amazing that he can produce such rich characters that are all different. Karamazov is so good because of how the brothers are different.
It doesn't take over where reason cannot operate it is the driving force behind rationality. Desire tells you what you want and THEN rationality tells you how to get it. Impulse->feeling->thought->action in that order.
@@rune.theocracytell that to Universities that refuse to adapt a failing system to an ever-changing world. As an MIS student, the entire basis is change. Most of your standard majors will be obsolete in the next 10-15 years. It's ironic that they claim to champion the works of Darwin yet aren't able to adapt. That's why they push all this liberal crap to get the impressionable youth to go there but that's a bandaid on a severed leg.
@@lolwtnick4362 What union? I wasn't aware there was one singular monolithic union. And it's not like those unions have actually helped most teachers, seeing as how budgets are constantly being cut and teachers making less and less money. The problem is that education has become controlled by for-profit interests.
the lesson here is that to be a good “gambler” you need to be a mathematician and leave your feelings at the door. whoever said “insanity” in the beginning was right. to deny reason for desire and pure will is in fact insanity which is what james caan becomes.
Thats true. However i think your also missing something. That thing is called faith. Athletes know. Before u took ur shot. You dont know if its gonna go in or not, to even began to take that chance u have to believe you got it. You have to have faith in yourself even if reason try to tell u that ur too weak, that its too far.
@doritosbobloblaw The difference is the power of self manifestation through determination, and you could say self-delusion. For example, you can look at andrew tate and his attitude. He believes depression is fake, so he can not get depressed. He chooses a version of reality that suits him. By doing so, he gained the confidence and willpower to succeed in life. If you go around believing your the best then u will act the best and then attract the best thing to come to you...its called the law of attraction.
I agree, the film seems to endorse irrationality which I don't think is a great message. But since it was made in the 70s, when postmodernism was really starting to take root, I'm not surprised. Now we're paying for it in our current society.
That's why you also have to be balance and grounded in the philosophy of science law and reason and reality BUT a good healthy sense of imagination and willful desire manifests the industrial complex society.. you got to be you have to be balanced on both sides
All there is is desire (self interest) anyone who hasn't realized that yet is still asleep. Dostoevsky wrote these books to try and prove that wrong but critics often say in trying to do so he actually made a stronger argument in favor of it.
Yup. Almost like blind faith, putting it all on the line, or throwing a Hail Mary. It doesn’t matter if it will be true or not, what matters is that the desired outcome is what you want to come true. To strive for better things, greatness, or something even beyond your regular rationality. You must have a strong will and desire to make it come true to push your fantasy into reality
I'd say it's not about his will to believe he's right and much he has the right to have, and more importantly, voice his opinion and to state his beliefs even though he may be wrong. Too much censorship everywhere these days.
I am sorry, but this is a complete distortion of Dostoyevski's idea: it is not about the will of a human. But God's will. The 2 + 2 indeed might make 5. But not without God's intervention. Which is a miracle. Dosotoyevski is rebelling against the idea of a rational world. It is truly a hard idea to swallow in this atheist age.
Several objections: God's will is ineffable and inaccessible to human beings by definition. If one claims to perceive God's will, this can be used as a defence for any absurdity. Secondly, the view of Descartes and similar individuals, that God has bestowed upon us reason and the capacity to apply it independent of the physical world, is a fundamental pillar of our modern understanding of the world, predating atheism or anything similar. Thirdly, the idea of a rational, mechanistic clockwork universe existed concurrently with God throughout history: look at the Enlightenment, as the most notable.
@@surengrigorian7888 I am not sure why you are arguing with me on a statement I didn't make. I merely pointed out the misrepresented ideas of Dostoyevsky in that film, not whether I agree with them or whether they are the truth. That's a matter of whole separate discussion.
Because some of the comments are paid by kremlin? They need Dostoevsky now more than ever. They can't bring up Tolstoy, he was a pacifist and a borderline anarchist. So there you go.
Maybe it's a bad translation (or worse: bad "artistic license") but Dostoevsky used the word "will" not "desire". And the example of the long-shot doesn't quite fit as an example of the meaning of the passage either, and it seems like the problem in more semantic imprecision. For those interested, he's reading from "Notes from the Underground". It's not as inspiring/optimistic as Caan is making it out to be.
@@___xyz___ who are you responding too? I'm forty and thats the plot of the movie. What he's saying in this speech is bogus and he uses it to justify his addiction.
Dostoyevski selling the earliest notion that a woman can be a man and a man can be a woman. Furthermore, when the ball is thrown, the player thinks 2+2=4, when he misses, the idea that they have just found out that 2+2=5 is retarded. To use the mathematical analogy, the player is actually discovering the question was really 2+3 because the answer is 5. The basketball player got the question wrong, not the answer.
Desire actually means "of the Father" . De Sire. Sire. Father. We were created by the Bible God with healthy desires... and we were given a moral conscience and moral standards... but we "fallen from grace" mortal humans chose to cast aside God's moral standards and deviate, pervert or degrade our desires. I'm just saying 😊
Desire does not derive from your listed etymology, but from an astrological relation in Latin. "De sidere", from the stars, as the pagans understood the idea of desire.
@surengrigorian7888 Well ok...I'll look into it...thanks for your input. Though Im not quite sure what you're trying to say here? To me, there are God-given normal, healthy human desires for food, shelter, sex, etc, and there are deviated perverted inhumane desires that turn souls into gluttons or anorexics, cruel land barons and real-estate moguls, porn addicts and bi sexual, etc,...so is the same Lat8n word used for both? Hebrew, Greek, Latin, English? No difference? Is all desire just a Pagan or animal impulse? What about the desire to lay down ones own life that another might live? That is not a Pagan belief. Pagans sacrifice other things to get what they want... even when they're willing to die for another its often a transaction with their God... a kind of "if you, my Idol, will scratch my back, I'll scratch yours." Or not?
@@marknewbold2583 ...all things considered, the way you asked that question, I would think it's rather probable you would never be satisfied with my answers, so I wish you well on your journey of discovery. Just avoid religion, even Bible religion, as all it ever really says, as do all man-made belief systems, "WE educated enlightened FEW must think for and direct YOU uneducated unenlightened MANY". Why is this? Even Bible religions? Mainly because all man-made belief systems and/or institutions (Biblical, Pagan and Humanist) are self interested, self serving, self promoting, and anti-salvation to one degree or another...yes, even Roman Catholicism and Protestantism. Genuine Believers follow Jesus right out of dead merely theological religion. Jesus is not religion, He lives, He is Divine, Creator, Savior and King and His "good news" of forgiveness...and a way out of enslavement to the world of men...is found only in Testament Christianity. The Old Testament is valuable and worth studying, but, it's end was the end of an era... God's 6000 year Plan of salvation came in three parts, approx 2000 years each part... All belief systems are valuable...they either reveal some truths or they reveal some evil, or both, just like individuals, either way, some learning is offered and worth knowing. E.g. Voodooism at least acknowledges the demonic realm, even if they prefer it to a Savior, whereas, some "dustless, unruffled, citified" Protestants act as if there are no demons at work in the world of men, which of course delights Satan, who operates best in the darkness of lies, deceit and human laziness, deliberate human ignorance or human arrogance. Only the humble get to meet Jesus...only the humble. And will you any of believe this? No. But, hey...I'm not bitter 😞😏😉❤️
There's only one good Mark Wahlberg movie where he acts as opposed to playing himself, and tragically/hilariously he disowned it because he was too dumb to understand it. Boogie Nights.
Because the screen writers of that generation actually received a proper education and were immersed in a culture that actually valued such an education.
Actually... Why this scene is so great imo is not that any of that sh*t made sense. But that it made sense to Caan's character... A gambler. The fact that the scene is lit and shot to make Caan look like the hero in this scene is great film making. You, the viewer, must take hold of your rationale and not nod and agree with a delusional gambler.
"What's your shooting range?" "Oh about 20 feet?" That's the most unrealistic basketball conversation I've ever heard. Whoever wrote this did not play a lick of basketball.
@@zahinelahi2655 It's nonsense talk. Nobody would know exactly where their "shooting range" ends as an arbitrary number like "20 feet". For reference, the NBA 3 point line is 23 feet 9 inches. So a more realistic conversation would be "Do you have 3 point range? How about 2 feet beyond the 3 point line?"
For all the people saying this is Communist or Post-Modernist. Dostoevsky was STAUNCHLY against Communism and Post-Modernism wouldn't exist for another 100 years. The reason Dostoevsky had a character called "The Underground Man" voice this opinion is a reaction against 19th century rationalism and philosophical materialism that rejected tradition, religion and spirituality in favor of only that which could be measured and was "known" to be true by the scientists of the time. Karl Marx, who founded Communism, was a materialist. Someone who would say that 1+1 always must equal 2. For Marx, a massive lower-class uprising, and the death of capitalism was an inevitable fact based on a Hegelian view of history. Notes from the Underground, which is the novel they're discussing was written to show that human beings are not only imperfect but fundamentally irrational creatures, which is why utopian ideologies such as Communism, are doomed to fail.
Yikes if this isnt true in todays generation. Where the nonsense is true and what's actually true is disobeyed. I think we should stick with 2 plus 2 equals four. Theres more order that way. Not everyone is equipped to think 2 plus 2 is 5. And that's the problem, too many thinking they're capable of expanding themselves in that way when they're not.
As a female person, I know that the main reason for this scene is to exhibit Caan's outrageous body. Though of course I get the rest of it and yay for that.
No he doesn’t explain Dostoyevsky in 2023 sadly but hey great concept for the 70’s ( or he explains a beautiful portion of his work that point in time ) .
That is the point. Hubris defies reason. A man consumed by addiction. He wants his fix. It's not logical. It doesn't equal 4. It's 5, 5 is the hope. 5 leads to nowhere. 5 is wrong. 5 is desire in all its glory.
Fascinating scene. Great acting from Mr. Caan. Although "basketball" remark to black student was a little iffy. Basically a micro-agression. Wouldn't fly today. 😊
Im glad Sonny went back to finish his degree
After you get shot a few hundred times it makes you a little bit more philosophical.
Think it was the kick to the face that really got him pondering
Oh yeah
What are you talking about! This is Paul Sheldon!
I tought he is in nursery home after ski accident
Superb and underrated film with a great performance from Caan. Really captures the desperation of the compulsive gambler perfectly. The scene where Caan has taken a big loss and then on the way home bets on a game of street basketball in a desperate search of some kind of win, now that's fine filmmaking
Compare the street basketball game in The Gambler with the same in Mississippi Grind. In Mississippi Grind, Ryan Reynolds bets that he can beat a street player one on one same as Caan, and then when he loses claims he can't pay, even though he's carrying about ten grand. The street players beat him up and then are surprised to find that he has more than enough on him to pay.
I believe the scene was somewhat of a tribute to The Gambler, the concept of putting yourself deliberately in a bad situation just to feel the edge.
@@mdawgrules3279 Great point. Buffalo Bill is defunct...
Bets 20 bucks to a dime.. what a sucker
Paul Sorvino is money in this film. His delivery of his great lines is superb. "Don't kid yourself. Once you ain't a virgin no more you're a who-ah."
sounds like a precursor to Uncut Gems
I love the connection he makes between poetry and athletics. There's beauty in the possible, disappointment in the actual.
No there's beauty in the actual too, you just fail to see it because you reach beyond it, you walk past it.
It strikes me that there can be both beauty and horror in both the possible and the actual.
@@Fordham1969Everything is connected, nothing is separate. All attributes and morality can be attributed to anything that exists, whether it be a thing, action or thought, depending on perspective. And all perspectives are of equal value, for they exist, existence being the only knowable truth of the universe. In some form, we, whatever we are and whatever this is, exist. We cannot prove that any one religion, philosophy or scientific fact to be correct or superior to another, due to the limitations of our vessel. We can, however, acknowledge that in some form that the universe, and all it entails, exists.The we can accept the many gifts and deprivations of the world, free of judgement, and we may find eternal beauty in the eclectic paradox that is reality.
@@Fordham1969because it's all mind and mind has no limits aside from the imposed ones
no dummy, it's called a false equivalency... schools are failing the idiotic masses
Dostoevsky doesn’t say this. The character of the underground man who Dostoevsky literally prefaces the book to say is not himself says this. So many people misrepresent Dostoevsky by assuming he just uses his characters as mouthpieces for his own opinion. He was a great writer, not a propagandist
I believe that the “manuscript” part of notes is to be taken quite literally. It is still tinged with irony in parts but the whole philosophy that it is speaking about does make sense. Whatever the character in this scene interpreted it as, however, is not at all what the passage means.
@@stevowilliams8279what does it mean
@@alfredo2lepe a warning against rationalism/Utopianism.
that is part of why it is so amazing that he can produce such rich characters that are all different. Karamazov is so good because of how the brothers are different.
Yes, and Caan's character is exactly someone that would misrepresent it for his own psychological reasons!
"Look at how they massacred my boy."
James Caan was an amazing actor.
Rollerball is a very underrated movie.
I agree.
It's because it's aged so badly.
@@user-hp6ls8qy6dit has a cheesy quality, but also a creepy 1984ish urgency
One of my favorites as a kid. 🙌
"Desire encompasses everything" and will take over where reason cannot operate. Good moral.
It doesn't take over where reason cannot operate it is the driving force behind rationality. Desire tells you what you want and THEN rationality tells you how to get it. Impulse->feeling->thought->action in that order.
Great teachers are gifts to the world
Great educators will save the world!
@@rune.theocracytell that to Universities that refuse to adapt a failing system to an ever-changing world. As an MIS student, the entire basis is change. Most of your standard majors will be obsolete in the next 10-15 years. It's ironic that they claim to champion the works of Darwin yet aren't able to adapt. That's why they push all this liberal crap to get the impressionable youth to go there but that's a bandaid on a severed leg.
it's scripted. lots of educators are pawns to the union. go against their policy and see how that works out for you, even if reason makes sense.
@@lolwtnick4362 What union? I wasn't aware there was one singular monolithic union. And it's not like those unions have actually helped most teachers, seeing as how budgets are constantly being cut and teachers making less and less money. The problem is that education has become controlled by for-profit interests.
@@jon8004 there's a surprising lack of quality educators, why that is I will leave for others to ponder on!
"2 + 2=5 because i want to" it's a perfect description of these times. Insanity times...
The difference is that now, they are trying to make everyone else see 5, not just themselves.
2 + 2 = 5 indictments@@blazel462
@@WaryofExtremes-realoriginalperfect dialogue for the times, alas...just because they want a worldview to be true, they disregard reality
Also explains that at the moment he places the bet he believes he will win even if the odds really are against him.
You missed the point of the video, then.
Sonny explaining Dostoyevsky. My life is fulfilled.
cant believe hes gone
9 February 1881
As a gambler I'd like to say I always liked James Caan. Great actor.
the lesson here is that to be a good “gambler” you need to be a mathematician and leave your feelings at the door. whoever said “insanity” in the beginning was right. to deny reason for desire and pure will is in fact insanity which is what james caan becomes.
Thats true. However i think your also missing something. That thing is called faith. Athletes know. Before u took ur shot. You dont know if its gonna go in or not, to even began to take that chance u have to believe you got it. You have to have faith in yourself even if reason try to tell u that ur too weak, that its too far.
@@PhotTheLawbut the probability of one scoring and the other making 2 plus 2 being five is not even comparable.
@doritosbobloblaw The difference is the power of self manifestation through determination, and you could say self-delusion. For example, you can look at andrew tate and his attitude. He believes depression is fake, so he can not get depressed. He chooses a version of reality that suits him. By doing so, he gained the confidence and willpower to succeed in life. If you go around believing your the best then u will act the best and then attract the best thing to come to you...its called the law of attraction.
yeah he succeeded at sex trafficking lmfao scumbag@@PhotTheLaw
I agree, the film seems to endorse irrationality which I don't think is a great message. But since it was made in the 70s, when postmodernism was really starting to take root, I'm not surprised. Now we're paying for it in our current society.
Be careful if you believe desire is life, there is no end to desire. It is always hungry for more.
That's why you also have to be balance and grounded in the philosophy of science law and reason and reality BUT a good healthy sense of imagination and willful desire manifests the industrial complex society.. you got to be you have to be balanced on both sides
All there is is desire (self interest) anyone who hasn't realized that yet is still asleep. Dostoevsky wrote these books to try and prove that wrong but critics often say in trying to do so he actually made a stronger argument in favor of it.
The best gambling movie ever made. Show this movie to your family. Rip legend.
RIP 2 legends (Caan and Sorvino).
if ur ever struggling in a maths class, or whatever class, just desire whatever you want guys
Yup. Almost like blind faith, putting it all on the line, or throwing a Hail Mary.
It doesn’t matter if it will be true or not, what matters is that the desired outcome is what you want to come true.
To strive for better things, greatness, or something even beyond your regular rationality.
You must have a strong will and desire to make it come true to push your fantasy into reality
dostoevsky had a bad time with gambling so if two and two made five, someone was not playing with a full deck...
Caan was a great actor showing off his range...greatly missed.
R.I.P.
An alternate reality where Sonny becomes the college kid of the Corleone family
Feelings over Facts. That's a slippery slope boys and girls.
Desire is life.Rational faculties are second and in some people almost not present at all.
Dostoyevski knew a thing or twenty about gambling this was was a very good screenplay
Saved me a lot of reading.
I love the 1970s.
Me too very much.
Rest In Peace James Caan 😔😢
I'd say it's not about his will to believe he's right and much he has the right to have, and more importantly, voice his opinion and to state his beliefs even though he may be wrong. Too much censorship everywhere these days.
damn i gotta hit the slots again wish me luck guys its goin down
Perhaps dostoevsky was suggesting the simple idea that a person has the right to be wrong.
That's a very good one too As a scientist I have not never really fully explored both.. in psychological and in philosophical terms
By that reasoning, you also have be the right to be a duck.
@@slappy8941 quack lol
Nah dostoevsky is just saying people are stupid and there's nothing you can do about it..
Fantastic. Greate explanation about subjectivity of willing and desire, nothing linked with rational things.
Sonny and that kid were on a collision course from minute one. No way too guys with Afros that big weren't going to bump heads in a hall that small.
Well said. But you can sense the tension is lined with respect (for big Afros).
@@Elcore Very true. "Big Afros" was actually the original title of the film until the focus was shifted (idiotically) to gambling.
Will to power!
Holy crap, I have the same edition of the book James Caan character is holding.
Who is the translator of that book?
Look how they massacred my boy's lecture :.(
I've seen the remake, but I haven't seen this one. I was always a James Caan fan. Like to see it sometime.
Did you see it yet?
I am sorry, but this is a complete distortion of Dostoyevski's idea: it is not about the will of a human. But God's will. The 2 + 2 indeed might make 5. But not without God's intervention. Which is a miracle. Dosotoyevski is rebelling against the idea of a rational world. It is truly a hard idea to swallow in this atheist age.
Several objections:
God's will is ineffable and inaccessible to human beings by definition. If one claims to perceive God's will, this can be used as a defence for any absurdity.
Secondly, the view of Descartes and similar individuals, that God has bestowed upon us reason and the capacity to apply it independent of the physical world, is a fundamental pillar of our modern understanding of the world, predating atheism or anything similar.
Thirdly, the idea of a rational, mechanistic clockwork universe existed concurrently with God throughout history: look at the Enlightenment, as the most notable.
@@surengrigorian7888 I am not sure why you are arguing with me on a statement I didn't make. I merely pointed out the misrepresented ideas of Dostoyevsky in that film, not whether I agree with them or whether they are the truth. That's a matter of whole separate discussion.
God doesn't exist
Now analyze dostoevsky's "The Jewish Question." I wonder why every russophilic intellectual overlooks such a gem
Because some of the comments are paid by kremlin? They need Dostoevsky now more than ever.
They can't bring up Tolstoy, he was a pacifist and a borderline anarchist. So there you go.
I like the fact that the sneaker has a well worn sole; keeping it real like Dostoevsky 0:56
Maybe it's a bad translation (or worse: bad "artistic license") but Dostoevsky used the word "will" not "desire". And the example of the long-shot doesn't quite fit as an example of the meaning of the passage either, and it seems like the problem in more semantic imprecision.
For those interested, he's reading from "Notes from the Underground". It's not as inspiring/optimistic as Caan is making it out to be.
Learning is strictly business not personal.
Orwell hated that concept
Look how they educated my boy!
This scene really shows how acting and performance matter more than content.
Dude makes that sound brilliant when it's utter nonsense.
ok boomer
@@___xyz___ who are you responding too?
I'm forty and thats the plot of the movie. What he's saying in this speech is bogus and he uses it to justify his addiction.
Don't tell Trump it's nonsense. It's his guiding principle 😔
@@mikejohnson3338 I didn't realize he was a postmodernist but that would explain a lot.
@@Loreweavver and that's exactly the point of notes from underground
I have to read this book every slowly
The remake with Mark Wahlberg and John Goodman is also very good.
It’s 100% better
Lol what an absolutely brutal misunderstanding of Dostoyevsky
How astoundingly parallel to the political climate in the US right now.
Nice deleted flashback scene from ELF
I’m with the brother…
"save it for the library."
Which only holds so long as you do not try to re-arrange the equation :-)
The Poet may know that two and two is five, but I know he’s wrong.
Dostoyevski selling the earliest notion that a woman can be a man and a man can be a woman.
Furthermore, when the ball is thrown, the player thinks 2+2=4, when he misses, the idea that they have just found out that 2+2=5 is retarded. To use the mathematical analogy, the player is actually discovering the question was really 2+3 because the answer is 5. The basketball player got the question wrong, not the answer.
his character, who is a dirtbag, is putting forth that notion
Amazing! Great observation thank you...
NOW you're talking.
Desire actually means "of the Father" . De Sire. Sire. Father. We were created by the Bible God with healthy desires... and we were given a moral conscience and moral standards... but we "fallen from grace" mortal humans chose to cast aside God's moral standards and deviate, pervert or degrade our desires. I'm just saying 😊
Desire does not derive from your listed etymology, but from an astrological relation in Latin. "De sidere", from the stars, as the pagans understood the idea of desire.
@surengrigorian7888 Well ok...I'll look into it...thanks for your input. Though Im not quite sure what you're trying to say here? To me, there are God-given normal, healthy human desires for food, shelter, sex, etc, and there are deviated perverted inhumane desires that turn souls into gluttons or anorexics, cruel land barons and real-estate moguls, porn addicts and bi sexual, etc,...so is the same Lat8n word used for both? Hebrew, Greek, Latin, English? No difference? Is all desire just a Pagan or animal impulse? What about the desire to lay down ones own life that another might live? That is not a Pagan belief. Pagans sacrifice other things to get what they want... even when they're willing to die for another its often a transaction with their God... a kind of "if you, my Idol, will scratch my back, I'll scratch yours." Or not?
@@catherinecastle8576 what if there's no god?
@@marknewbold2583 ...all things considered, the way you asked that question, I would think it's rather probable you would never be satisfied with my answers, so I wish you well on your journey of discovery.
Just avoid religion, even Bible religion, as all it ever really says, as do all man-made belief systems, "WE educated enlightened FEW must think for and direct YOU uneducated unenlightened MANY". Why is this? Even Bible religions? Mainly because all man-made belief systems and/or institutions (Biblical, Pagan and Humanist) are self interested, self serving, self promoting, and anti-salvation to one degree or another...yes, even Roman Catholicism and Protestantism.
Genuine Believers follow Jesus right out of dead merely theological religion. Jesus is not religion, He lives, He is Divine, Creator, Savior and King and His "good news" of forgiveness...and a way out of enslavement to the world of men...is found only in Testament Christianity. The Old Testament is valuable and worth studying, but, it's end was the end of an era... God's 6000 year Plan of salvation came in three parts, approx 2000 years each part...
All belief systems are valuable...they either reveal some truths or they reveal some evil, or both, just like individuals, either way, some learning is offered and worth knowing. E.g. Voodooism at least acknowledges the demonic realm, even if they prefer it to a Savior, whereas, some "dustless, unruffled, citified" Protestants act as if there are no demons at work in the world of men, which of course delights Satan, who operates best in the darkness of lies, deceit and human laziness, deliberate human ignorance or human arrogance.
Only the humble get to meet Jesus...only the humble.
And will you any of believe this? No. But, hey...I'm not bitter 😞😏😉❤️
The original movie with James Caan was better than the remake with M. Whalberg.
There's only one good Mark Wahlberg movie where he acts as opposed to playing himself, and tragically/hilariously he disowned it because he was too dumb to understand it. Boogie Nights.
Whoa no one writes screenplay like this any more.
Because the screen writers of that generation actually received a proper education and were immersed in a culture that actually valued such an education.
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!
I love this
I loved that book sooo much, do not know this movie though
We're currently seeing the result of this kind of "feeling". The first answer was correct: "insanity".
I think I'll side with James Caan over some right-wing conspiritard TH-cam commenter who's afraid of women and minorities, thank you very much.
Wow! That explains a lot...
Rip Jimmy😊
It didn't take much, back then.
Hmm not sure a scene like this will be in the next marvel movie
look what they did to my boy
That is the smallest tome of Dostoevsky I've ever seen.
The Gambler is a pretty quick read. Works well as an appetizer before the longer stuff.
@@gregcircanow is it the gambler or notes from the underground?
@@afrosamourai400 You're correct-Notes From The Underground. I assumed it was The Gambler just because of the movie!
Bro... It's a remake if this? The one with mark damon?
2 and 2 are five... is that a reference to George Orwell's 1984?
No. Dostoyevski wrote about 75 years earlier.
Please excuse my ignorance. But can you please introduce me to Dostoyevski?@@robertmadison1205
Hmmm. No. That's not what Dostoevsky means.
Those must be a tall set of lifts.
Will may not contravene or confute logic
What about his other book?
Yes... Ok... But in the end the ball is outside the basket... You know...
I know I'm a man today, but tomorrow...
1+1=3
-Lacan
what movie is this
that he controls the figures
Actually... Why this scene is so great imo is not that any of that sh*t made sense. But that it made sense to Caan's character... A gambler.
The fact that the scene is lit and shot to make Caan look like the hero in this scene is great film making. You, the viewer, must take hold of your rationale and not nod and agree with a delusional gambler.
"What's your shooting range?"
"Oh about 20 feet?"
That's the most unrealistic basketball conversation I've ever heard. Whoever wrote this did not play a lick of basketball.
i don't know anything about basketball either can you tell me what exactly is wrong with this?
@@zahinelahi2655 It's nonsense talk. Nobody would know exactly where their "shooting range" ends as an arbitrary number like "20 feet". For reference, the NBA 3 point line is 23 feet 9 inches. So a more realistic conversation would be "Do you have 3 point range? How about 2 feet beyond the 3 point line?"
@@meowdragon They didnt have 3 pointers then, except in the ABA, but definitely not in high school or college.
I think your over thinking it who cares right 😂
For all the people saying this is Communist or Post-Modernist. Dostoevsky was STAUNCHLY against Communism and Post-Modernism wouldn't exist for another 100 years. The reason Dostoevsky had a character called "The Underground Man" voice this opinion is a reaction against 19th century rationalism and philosophical materialism that rejected tradition, religion and spirituality in favor of only that which could be measured and was "known" to be true by the scientists of the time. Karl Marx, who founded Communism, was a materialist. Someone who would say that 1+1 always must equal 2. For Marx, a massive lower-class uprising, and the death of capitalism was an inevitable fact based on a Hegelian view of history. Notes from the Underground, which is the novel they're discussing was written to show that human beings are not only imperfect but fundamentally irrational creatures, which is why utopian ideologies such as Communism, are doomed to fail.
Damn Caan was hot.
Blimey,, it sounds familiar. 'Brexit will be a success when we believe it is.'
Actually, Dostoyevsky did have mental issues, and lots of them.
…and every gambler
later, in 1984, that discussion will take place in the ministry of love between winston and o’brien. 2+2 = 4, btw.
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This is just existentialist crap. The students are right.
Yikes if this isnt true in todays generation. Where the nonsense is true and what's actually true is disobeyed. I think we should stick with 2 plus 2 equals four. Theres more order that way. Not everyone is equipped to think 2 plus 2 is 5. And that's the problem, too many thinking they're capable of expanding themselves in that way when they're not.
Perhaps not the most helpful of lectures.
As a female person, I know that the main reason for this scene is to exhibit Caan's outrageous body. Though of course I get the rest of it and yay for that.
Female person, otherwise known as a woman.
Newspeak
Hear hear
No he doesn’t explain Dostoyevsky in 2023 sadly but hey great concept for the 70’s ( or he explains a beautiful portion of his work that point in time ) .
Postmodern rhetoric trying to sound profound. 2 + 2 = 4, irrelevant if you wish or want it to equal 5.
That is the point. Hubris defies reason. A man consumed by addiction. He wants his fix. It's not logical. It doesn't equal 4. It's 5, 5 is the hope. 5 leads to nowhere. 5 is wrong. 5 is desire in all its glory.
Fascinating scene. Great acting from Mr. Caan. Although "basketball" remark to black student was a little iffy. Basically a micro-agression. Wouldn't fly today. 😊
It would fly like that missed basketball shot.
Hot for teacher.
Pants aren’t tight enough
Gibberish.
I’ll never understand the hair
The black dude was lucky Sonny was in a good mood, contradicting him like that
"Bada-bing! You blow their brains all over your Ivy League suit."
Sets you up for the later scene, where Caan is deep in debt and pays Spencer to shave points to fix a game...
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