Why You Need to Read Dostoevsky
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I am a 19 year boy from north east part of india. the first book that i ever read was mans search for meaning years ago, i read it because of jorden peterson emphasis on importance of reading . since then ive contuned reading books, currently reading crime and punishment..thank you jp
Wow that's very good. Keep it up.
you're way ahead of your peers. Nice going.
@@pemdorjee1441 If you want to become an alpha male to attract girls, I recommend reading Chimpanzee Politics by Dutch primatologist Frans de Waal.
I am also from Northeast India, a state called Manipur. I have bought both of the books you mentioned but I haven't read any of them. I will start.
Keep it up mate. You are lucky, or smart, to discover the joy of reading when you are so young. I didn't find out until I was nearly thirty (I cared for nothing but mathematics at school) I have spent the last twenty years trying to catch up.
Reminds me of that Japanese adage about being prepared when confronted with adversity: “It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.”
Its the best of two bad options
You'll be just as timeless as the greats, Doctor Peterson.
The Brothers Karamazov has been one of the most incredible books I have ever read in terms of delving through the inner psychologies of various characters that have starkly different viewpoints on life and self. I wrote my psychology degree capstone paper on Dostoevsky's work. In doing so I researched his life thoroughly. He has an incredible story, and I would highly recommend that anyone with an interest in his work also look into his actual life. I also posited in that paper that perhaps his wife helped him to do more than simply transcribe his works. I think that she may have played a critical role in helping him to explore the female psychology in his writing.
I have tried 7 times but for the life of me can't get further than 50 pages
What was your degree? I’m currently doing a bachelor’s in psych.
@@fletchergull4825OMG Same!
I just got “The Brothers Karamazov” in the mail yesterday because of Jordan Peterson, Matt Fradd, and Peter Kreeft
Reading "The Idiot" right now. Luv it.
Yup, under control. Temperance and choosing battles wisely.
Enjoy the calm before a great storm.
Im reading Pitirim Sorokin.
Also just finished the Brothers Karamazov (like many people in the comments). The main thing I took away from that is how Ivan, who claims to be the atheist materialist, realizes that although he did not physically murder his father, he did commit the murder in his heart, since he wanted his father dead. I can’t help but think about this same concept that Jesus talks about: “if you hate your neighbor, you have committed murder”. I’m sure Dostoyevsky had this in mind when he put together the plot.
I finished watching Schindler’s List last night. What JP said about being capable of cruelty parallels with what Schindler’s definition of true power was, when he spoke to Amon.
"Death and the Dervish" (1966) by Mese Selimovic is also up there in that ballpark.
Thank you for this majestic clips of classroom Dr 🙏🏻 I wish I could be one of your students
Ive got Crime smd Punishment on my shelf. Great book. Excellent analysis by Peterson.
5:13 Yeah. The 30 pieces of silver.
Judas
2:13 I don't know why I chuckled when the student broke eye contact to stretch real quick lol Feels like something I would do
I'm a 16 years old boy from Pakistan, listening to my beloved teacher JP at 2:am❤
I read notes from the underground, and it didn't "messed" with me, maybe im dumb, but, I didn't got provoked by it. I kept reading it becase his writing is so fluid.
I think you need to live through that. The way that narrator views the world, the way he treated people, the way he deconstruct everything in his head was the exact for me. I ve been in some rough times myself, i dropped out from uni, lived alone in isolation about a 1,5 year. So the loneliness nihilism and existentialism really messes up with your head
Read everything he wrote before I was 19... so much remembered and forgotten.
Brothers Karamazov saved my life, thank you Lord Jesus
Respect.
Can I ask how?
@@jspright5226 Of course. The protagonist Alyosha, and his mentor figure Father Zossima, taught me to forgive others and to cherish the forgiveness of Christ. In many ways, Dostoyevsky sees clearly deep down into the human psyche and soul, he understands every human dynamic. He shows you yourself and then the way out of yourself, so to say. He makes redemption clear and you can see the path to it if you have the eyes to see.
The Brothers Karamazov is a wonderful and epic story.
Bravo from France ! Brilliant translator Mr Peterson. You make ancient (so difficult to get) and necessary (so essential to get) ideas reachable for many willing people.
Valeria : woman that luckily happens to be very far from an incel, you are talking universally, not only to men nor to incels. This olivia is very narrow minded.
THIS Jordan Peterson is very well worth listening to. Post-Covid JP? Harder to parse.
Be dangerous. Be good.
Read crime and punishment, brothers Karamazov, but switched to nietsche, Tolstoy, and Solzhenitzen...in the early 70s , then jumped to Thomas wolf's Electric kool-aid acid test. Ken kesey led me to Sometimes a great notion and one flew over the coo coos nest. After that it was chase the classics, Greek Roman, great fun.
Crime and punishment was quite the thriller! Nothing like Ann Ran
Cool band name. The Gist.
A worthy opponent deserves a worthy fight. 🎩🏋🏻♀️🧠🥊
That's just genius peterson you did that
Love Dostoyevsky
I have in fact never heard a single other writer ever referenced by Jordan Peterson than Dostoevsky so he must be mind blowing
He is
Yeah take it
Pre and post-murder Raskolnikow are by far not that different as it's portrayed in the video. Raskolnikow acted against a secular law and to this law only he submits. In a moral sense he did not regret anything, did not feel any remorse throughout the entire course of the story. While refering to his Genealogy Of Morals, Nietzsche once said: _..the psychology of conscience.. is not, as you may believe, the voice of God in man; it is the instinct of cruelty, which turns inwards once it is unable to discharge itself outwardly._ A murder is an outward action. Dostojewski shared four years one bedroom with murderers in a Sibirian prison camp. Discribing his experience in the House of the Dead he said: _… during many years I never remarked the least sign of repentance, not even the slightest uneasiness with regard to the crime committed._ Raskolnikow never lost his self-respect. Here are his words in the epilogue of Crime and Punishment: _Oh, sceptics and halfpenny philosophers, why do you halt half-way! Why does my action strike them as so horrible?_ he said to himself. _Is it because it was a crime? What is meant by crime? My conscience is at rest. Of course, it was a legal crime, of course, the letter of the law was broken and blood was shed. Well, punish me for the letter of the law... and that's enough. Of course, in that case many of the benefactors of mankind who snatched power for themselves instead of inheriting it ought to have been punished at their first steps. But those men succeeded and so they were right, and I didn't, and so I had no right to have taken that step._
What are his 5 great novels?
The Idiot
The Possessed (The Devils)
Crime and Punishment
The Brothers Karamozov
Notes From the Underground
@@andrewwebb2241 Thanks!
I read so much of Dostoyevsky in high school that I went into a deep depression that I couldn’t get out of for years. Before that, the last book that made me so depressed was the Bible
How so?
Too young to process the psychological depths of the novels on my own
When I read the Bible entire from cover to cover the first time I was only 9 years old. It was the first time I read so much about homosexuality, incest, lust, greed, jealousy, rage, revenge… I couldn’t comprehend why the world is so cruel and evil. I was only 9.
It’s not ok to be weak, since the spirit of cruelty will take every free lunch it sees.
5 novels okay!
I was thinking about all 15 books.
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7:10 7:15 oh oh
7:49 yeah
I was confused at first, is he promoting violence !!!
Until he clarifies by differentiating Being cruel , and being able to be cruel .
I have 2.. I will.
Just not 200 years together, do not read that one ever and don't answer questions about it either 😆
Peterson knows when it’s ok for him to be a great and righteous moralist and when to keep his mouth shut. He is an approved operative for the edification of the masses.
we get WEF garbage shoved down our throats like Carless Callous Schwab's (wannabe Akhenaten) Great _Re-shot, worse than pedestrian, , but Dostoevsky gets rolled. that's a sick world.
I'm fd up
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No need to;
Watched *Ergo proxy* (an complex anime of Good Philosophy & Moral of Pscyhology) its not a *TV-Show/Serie* for - Everyone.
Have a (somewhat) similar Generation of Family dynamic as well of *Dostoevsky* Humans aren't Guilt free or Perfect. And your a fool for thinking other wise.
The general attitude that Dr. Peterson promotes toward literature is brilliant, and this attitude that just because something isn’t factually or historically true doesn’t mean it isn’t true at another level is exactly right. It’s the best way to understand the Bible, particularly the Hebrew Bible, and it’s undeniably true for stories like “Little Red Riding Hood”, “Chicken Little”, and “The Boy Who Cried Wolf” (who’s a goddamn attention-seeking narcissist).
However, I find another attitude that is often put onto these works of classical literature to be off putting and dishonest, and that is to treat literature and fiction as if no innovations have been made since these Russian novelists. It reminded me of apologists who don’t want you to think new and different things so they pretend that antiquated and inaccurate translations like the King James Version are the best translation, even though it’s so inaccurate that I’d call it a MISStranslation.
This attitude toward Dostoevsky gives approval seekers something to focus on to virtue signal their agreement and acceptability, like broad tefillin for those who keep commandments to be seen by others, and it’s just an excuse for them to fail at modern storytelling, to make believe that it’s everyone else’s fault that they suck, but hey at least when it doesn’t succeed you can blame other people for just not being smart enough or clever enough, amiright?
It can’t be emphasized enough: Internal pontificating isn’t a story, and it sure as hell isn’t storytelling. Beyond being lazy and derivative, it’s an informal essay, and an informal essay isn’t a story, just like the essay about what you did during the summer at the beginning of the school year is so guaranteed to lack structure that it’s not anything remotely resembling an essay.
The “winning argument” scenario Dr. Peterson focuses on can be better demonstrated through the work of Derren Brown in his Netflix special “The Push”, and it was an experiment conducted using real people, not just an author's assumptions about human nature being projected onto a fictional character. These were carefully selected people, REAL people who were under the impression that everything they were experiencing was real and not some “Truman Show” seeking to capture the moment they choose to kill.
In Derren Brown’s “The Push”, 3 out of 4 people choose to “push” and to kill, and guess what? “Belief in God” was NOT A FACTOR in any capacity whatsoever in the moral conscience of the one who refused to push, and “Belief in God” played NO ROLE WHATSOEVER in determining whether someone refused to kill.
Indeed, “Belief is God” does NOT prevent people killing, and “Belief in God” does not produce a moral conscience which prevents a person from committing murder, just looks the amount of people murdered while the faithful believers shout “Allahu Akhbar!” or how most criminals and murderers in America’s criminal system are professing Christians or who were raised Christian (and if their behavior can be divorced from their belief in God, then so too can an Atheist’s positive moral virtues be divorced from any kind of dependency on Christianity, for those who understand how that could relate to the things Dr. Peterson teaches)
The attitude that Dostoevsky into Raskolnikov is still just NOTHING MORE THAN a reflection of what the author wanted to be true, not a reflection of what is true. Dostoevsky’s fictional scenario is no more reality than a magic show where everything you see is being propped up by those who wish you lead you to believe a certain thing about what you’re about to witness.
At the end of the day, Dostoevsky’s so-called moral contribution was easily disproved, dismantled, and invalidated by Derren Brown, illusionist, hypnotist, atheist.
well it would help Jordan if you interpreted it correctly. btw his mock execution, and later not being allowed to live in Moscow or St Petersburg is another plank (1000th inch) of evidence it was not under traditionalist tsarist period, and in fact the mock execution and the DOS- prefix in his name is telling us of an alter ego in our historiography who is also the same person, just split into two, who could it be? check some photos, see if you can tell. so the histography can be faked over again and again, and your bs just helps that effort. I hope they pay you enough for the dread you will face.
Nose from underground notes 🙂
its autobiographical about the identity split they force upon him, likely he had to agree as a way to escape Gulag imprisonment.
- title he leaves out THE as in it isn't Notes from THE underground. because he is referring to the fact he is supposed to be dead when he writes this (6 feet under literally)...so he is referring to his first Adler ego..(he knows they are going to back date him, or its already happened, which is possible in a Communist Russia where he was told his freedom depended on his agreeing this scam re his work)
- Petersburg (missing the St= it is NOT Tsarist period, it is Communist (removal of religious associations)
- Keeps using wicked and wickedness over and over, referring to OT's wicked = medic (iv jabs) and the wickedness usually the opposite, as in SinMedics *Wthout medics/jabs)
- Keeps mentioning the 19th century man, in a sarcastic way as if most of his life was 20th century, again referring to the identity split they apply to his life and works.
- Keeps using the 40 yr span..which i think is his cue about the time lag they have used )plus Moses refs)...which is what i thought previously more or less, he would have been born in late 19th century...so is 50ish or so around ww2...but of course it hasn't been continuous so 1900 - 1950 won't be 50 years it will be many less in reality...
Anyways, in general his cipher style is very different, i find it easy to read him between the lines, so deciphering isn't really necessary in any technical way, its more metaphorical narrative, as long as context is known, its very fluid and airtight coherence.
Arguably the greatest human writer ever imo. he is still underrated today. a genius, and his reco0rd distorted by intellectual nincompoops. disgusting
Thanks for honoring freedom of speech.
Dostoevsky believed in "God's Providence."
I prefer Mark Twain’s idea that if a god existed it certainly did not deserve any respect ... or to be worshiped.
GOD … a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice, and invented hell--mouths mercy, and invented hell--mouths Golden Rules and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people, and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites his poor abused slave to worship him!
-No. 44, The Mysterious Stranger
Mark Twain
Better to be a wolf then a sheep
Ahhh, peterson before the years he was commenting on sports illustrated...
As with every literature recommendation, don't put too much faith in this one. I have been discussing books with a friend of mine for years, and while he often deciphers some deeper messages in them, and correctly so, this stuff mostly fails to register with me. In the end, books have to match your ability as a reader, otherwise you'll just torture yourself for nothing. From my attempt at reading "Crime and punishment", I know I will never try reading Dostojewski again.
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NO, absolutely not!
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Reading Aleksandr Solzjenitsyn is better
*Dostoevsky* laid the ground work. Aleksandr didn't.
@adam.maqavoy it is not really better. It is a more contemporary and detailed exploration of the nature of evil and misery, but Dosoevsky is far greater at crafting plot and character.
@@gr6362 Dostoevsky is fiction. Solzhenitsyn is reporting of historical fact.
Dostoyevsky is hard to read. Such an alien way of writing compared to modern language.
I thought it was fairly easy to read, but I probably missed a lot of messages. For Germans, read the Swetlana Geier translation
Try the audio books for an initial listen and if you really find yourself enjoying it go back and buy a physical copy. I did this with brothers karamazov and crime and punishment. I thought the idiot was a dull read and was happy to never touch it again 😅
JP is making a straw man out of the left right now.
That's not true. The most compelling argument I have encountered in support of the left came from Jordan Peterson.
@chick3n71 citation please?
steel man i think u mean
Gtf outta here 😂
@@gordonweintraub6634Peterson is making a caricature out of the left, on say trans movement, dei agenda, political correctness, etc.
On trans movement, Peterson has reduced it to being arisen from selfishness and dereliction of responsibility. But there is legitimate underlying cause for people to be this way. If they are not offered an alternative, they would continue down their path.
On pc culture and dei, Peterson has reduced it to being a product of Marxist utopian ideals and cowardliness. There may be a streak of what he purports, but are more raw momentum and drivers at play, for example there is a disparity between identity groups which people are becoming increasingly aware with social media, this creates divide and friction, which are relieved with these agendas and policies albeit they are stopgap measures. If you were to rip off this band aid without a better solution, what takes over in its place is likely to be much worse and dangerous.
Peterson has come to reduce many social problems to simple forms giving in to confirmation bias, namely, making strawmans.
Peterson once famously said something like you shouldn’t aim to only win in a quarrel with a family member, because then everybody loses. He’s not following his own advice right now.
Dostoievsky is extremely boring and cartoonish. There is nothing 'moral' about his books that will really make your old bean work, unless you are a wannabe psychopath. You want psychology and good literature? Go with Conrad instead.
JP should stop talking about morality as he couldn't speak up against the Palestinian jenocide , perhaps the stakes were too high
7:41 Lemme get this right. You turned me into the devil Tiamat so you can be the redeemed Hero. 🧚🪄->🐲🔥
How dare you?! You will burn, boy.
4:33 Peterson.
Nice try. 😐🧚🪄
No. If someone blatantly refuses to have a proper moral conduct, he/she will perish. 🔥
And, on another note, you should have understood that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. 🧚🪄🪄
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