"Daleks have no concept of elegance" "This is obvious." It's been 13 years and I've never figured out how a cyberman could come up with such a sick burn...
The Cybermen used to be human. They might have emotional-inhibitors, but - ultimately - their "cyber-minds" probably still stick to the tried-and-true rules of sass to resolve verbal confrontation. It's unlikely that they've been programmed with an alternative method for resolving such situations, so the "human method" bubbles to the surface.
Dalek Sec:you are superior in only one respect! Cyberman: what is that? Dalek Sec: you are better at dying! Cyberman sees the burn going through to its metal suite
Is no one going to mention the fact that when rose told the daleks “that’s the doctor” and the all scooted back in fear was brilliant! Even with mickey’s comment about rose heartbeat on seeing the doctor was great
3:41 Just to be pedantic, but Torchwood was referenced in 'Bad Wolf' during the Weakest Link scenes as one of the questions And even before Tooth and Claw, the Sycorax ship was blown up by Torchwood
@@zarbixii They do. There's a line about Torchwood being in touch and saying they're ready. Then Harriet tells her assistant to tell them to do it then the sycorax are fired upon.
Probably my favourite part of doomsday was when Pete and Jackie meet and he asks if she met another guy and how she says “there was never anyone else” and Rose’s face is just like “psshhhhh yah right mum”
"First romance between doctor and companion" -The Doctor Who TV movie would like a word with you Also a parallel universe isnt necessarily a mirror universe, just an alternate. Whats to say that time lords even exist in Petes World?
I'm just glad that you capitalised Pete's World because that's what the Doctor recommended he call it, most people wouldn't pay that much attention to grammatical accuracy
Anyone realise that the ghost in Eastenders is obviously a Cyberman meaning a Cyberman was happily taking acting directions from the director??? It makes no sense 😂😂😂😂
Torchwood was referenced a few times, at least once in Series 1. In Bad Wolf, one of the answers to the questions that Anne-Droid asks is: "Torchwood." And the question was about an old Earth institute. Fun fact: When the show was revived in 2005, the tapes were actually named "Torchwood" just in case someone attempted to steal them.
To be fair at 5:12 Jackie isn’t pulled out by mistake, The Doctor pulls her out on purpose so that Rose can investigate without anyone knowing she’s there
3:40 I think torchwood is one of the answers in the bad wolf "Weakest link" section.. I don't know if it had any other mentions in S1 but it was a thing
This review reminds me why I loved the RTD era of the revival series. Sure it had some flops here or there but most the episodes were always a blast to watch and Army of Ghosts/Doomsday remains as the best season final this series has had in my books.
I thought about the parallel doctor idea when I was watching and it only takes a little bit of tying together to understand why there wouldn't be. The Doctor says in the Cyberman episode prior to this when they first go to the Parallel universe that the Time Lords used to be able to travel between dimensions easily when they were keeping everything in check. This means that as far as time lords go, there aren't Parallel versions of them, only one version of each timelord exists across all parallel dimensions. This means that since our lovely Doctor is the Last Timelord, and he is stuck in "our" reality and that the only way for him to have gotten to the parallel universe was by falling through a crack in space-time, which was a big part of the previous episode that meant that they had one shot of getting back (and Mickey staying behind to be with his Parallel gran) that there is no Parallel Timelords and no Parallel Doctor. Timelords are exempt from Spacetime as we know it and is why they are able to travel through it so effortlessly.
I LOVE THIS TWO-PARTER! SO NOSTALGIC, YET SO EPIC!!! Re-watched it and it still holds up. The only thing that I find problematic is how Rose was saved. THE TELEPORTERS CAN ONLY TRANSPORT ONE AND HE JUST POPS OUT OF NOWHERE! But it one moment amongst Torchwood, Cybermen AND Daleks! The cliffhanger to Army Of Ghosts is one of my favourite moments in the show. CHILLS every time the Cybermen says "The sphere is not ours" and the operatic Dalek theme plays as Rose looks scared shittless XD
At 9:46 you reference the head scientist getting his "face sucked off by a Dalek". I'm sure this is just a coincidence but I gotta mention it: the actor playing the head scientist is Raji James, who was the butt of a lot of jokes on the Ray Peacock Podcast, including but not limited to a segment where they asked him how it felt to get his "head sucked off by a Dalek": th-cam.com/video/Az6nzXrU_eY/w-d-xo.html God I miss that podcast. Also hey congrats on being rich now.
I love the music that starts right when Pete brings Rose to the other side. It has steady backbeat drums, and we haven’t really heard this kind of drum beat in the soundtrack before this point. It’s interesting because backbeat drums usually instill a sense of groove and cheerfulness, but in this context I find the drum beat absolutely heartbreaking. It gives a strong sense of “here we are, this is it.” Like, we’ve arrived at this point and there’s no going back. Murray Gold is a genius
I love how the strangely human aspect of Sec that would be amplified in Daleks in Manhattan was established here, in our first meeting with him. He feels excitement, he feels joy in explaining things, in sharing his knowledge (whilst yes it is a cruel excitement, it is still an emotion that Daleks should not be feeling.)
I think the biggest waste was bringing the cult of Skaro in, then destroying them the next time we see them. Having Sec and the crew coming back as familiar faces and developing some sort of respect or bond with the Doctor could have offered so many possibilities.
@@Here_is_Waldo true, they were horribly under-utilised, but I think the destruction was a great idea on RTD’s part in setting up the Stolen Earth and Caan’s survival and subsequent fall to absolute madness
It would be humiliating for sec if he got captured by the cybermen in his human form and forcibly converted, imagine how angry he'd be if he was now inside a cyberman forced to fight his own daleks then getting gunned down by his own kind 😳 Wasn't very clever was it sec to become human now was it?
I really miss old new who if that makes sense? The RTD / David's run is hands down my favourite era of DW, going to have to re-watch it all again soon.
Cause they weren't in charge of the script...Chibnall was.. The cast were some good people, the script and the way Chibnall wanted 13 to act was what killed it.
God Dammit!! I saw the "Skip Intro" button at the start of the Doomsday review and tried to click it! CURSE YOU AND YOUR SUBLIMINAL TRAINING NETFLIX!!!
The parallel doctor thing does get addressed in the Big Finish series Rose Tyler: Dimension Cannon. I know that makes it kind of retcon but it’s still really good and anyone who hasn’t needs to check it out
Can’t believe you didn’t comment about how easy Ten made it look when he had to tell Rose she wasn’t staying with him.. was really looking forward to hearing your thoughts on that.
AnEalingFeeling it wasn’t toward rose Is was toward broff With the question“The Great Pyramid is built on the remains of which famous Old Earth Institute?” He answered touch down. the real Answers was “Torchwood Institute”
It was a great two parter and defo one of the best for NuWho! My only gripe was the Cybermen who were very under powered. I can understand these are early enough cybus cybermen tech wise but still would have liked them take out a Dalek or two. I suppose we didn't see alot of the battle so this could have been the case but would have been nice to see one on screen! Great review on this!
TWO shows/movies have ever made me cry & I'm a gun toting, men don't cry kind of American. 'Where The Red Fern Grows' & when Rose dies...worst things ever! ...and some of my 1st memories as a child are of burying hunting dogs, so 'Where the Red Fern Grows' hits me hard. Really shows the excellent writing of Stephen Moffet & acting of Billie & Tennant.
Torchwood was mentioned in the episode bad wolf in the weakest link saying the old earth institute and one of them said touch down and the Ann droid was like, No Torchwood
They did reference TORCHWOOD in the Christmas Invasion but you really have to be paying attention. Fun fact: when Doctor Who returned to tv, the VHS tapes were called TORCHWOOD to prevent people stealing them.
12:25 oh, Harry. Why are you being so hard on Mickey? :'( Even the Doctor thanks and kisses Mickey on the forehead for touching the Genesis Ark because The Daleks would've blown up the sun to open it otherwise. Great review nevertheless.
Can I just say I LOVE your doctor who episode reviews and thoughts and mostly agree with everything you say. In an ideal world, you'd be QC at DW HQ on the BBC.
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“You have declared war on the Cybermen”
*”This is not war. This is cyber-bullying”*
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Disco fever
"How long did you spend in your space pod thinking up that one?"
alan smithee it is called a void ship!
@KILLER DIAMOND I'll do it
"Daleks have no concept of elegance" "This is obvious." It's been 13 years and I've never figured out how a cyberman could come up with such a sick burn...
I never would've thought a conversation between a Cyberman and a Dalek could be so damn sassy
Look for the bitch fight at canary worf vid on yt it's hilarious
@@connorm997 i attempted to tell him to refer to the bitch fight of canary wharf but by that time the video was rendering
Shit they beat me to it I was about to refer to the bitch fight of canary worf
The Cybermen used to be human. They might have emotional-inhibitors, but - ultimately - their "cyber-minds" probably still stick to the tried-and-true rules of sass to resolve verbal confrontation. It's unlikely that they've been programmed with an alternative method for resolving such situations, so the "human method" bubbles to the surface.
Dalek Sec:you are superior in only one respect!
Cyberman: what is that?
Dalek Sec: you are better at dying!
Cyberman sees the burn going through to its metal suite
He quickly follows it with "Raise communication barrier!" as in their response of hanging up straight away
(suit)
It's especially hilarious when you realise that this is Nicholas Briggs effectively arguing with himself since he voices both races.
Cyberman: How long did you spend in your sphere thinking of that one?
“How many are you?”
“4”
“You would destroy the cyber-men with 4 Dalek’s?”
“We would destroy the cyber men with 1 Dalek.”
"This is not war, this is pest control."
Daleks have no concept of elegance!
This is obvious.
“I’ll do it!”
Is no one going to mention the fact that when rose told the daleks “that’s the doctor” and the all scooted back in fear was brilliant! Even with mickey’s comment about rose heartbeat on seeing the doctor was great
RTD Era finales were some of the most entertaining stuff in the history of British TV.
FACT
Yyyyyyyyup
U r a human of culture
They really are
Even if the quality wasn’t always there, he always went all out.
This two parter should've been called "Rose Tyler: Gone in 90 Minutes"
Rohat Steffan Usal-Davies (sad violin)
“Rose Tyler: Gone in 90 minutes (for 2 seasons anyway)
3:41
Just to be pedantic, but Torchwood was referenced in 'Bad Wolf' during the Weakest Link scenes as one of the questions
And even before Tooth and Claw, the Sycorax ship was blown up by Torchwood
That's what i thought
They don't mention Torchwood in Christmas Invasion, Hartman claims responsibility in Army of Ghosts
@@zarbixii They do. There's a line about Torchwood being in touch and saying they're ready. Then Harriet tells her assistant to tell them to do it then the sycorax are fired upon.
@@cait812 And a reference to saxon if I remember right
@@ExtremeGamer9951 Oh! I forgot about that, I think you're right. Nice one.
11:41 you should’ve added “There’s a strange man in my bedroom” from ‘Rose’ to this montage
or "anything else he's got two of?" from "the christmas invasion.
YESSS
"Anything could happen..."
@@lordcommandersnow1611 "...no"
And what about the guy that likes night snacks
Probably my favourite part of doomsday was when Pete and Jackie meet and he asks if she met another guy and how she says “there was never anyone else” and Rose’s face is just like “psshhhhh yah right mum”
your nerd voice is also, coincidentally, a perfect richard ayowade impession
I'm afraid it's not for sale
Ahhhhhh yessss. I was going crazy trying to think of who he sounded like.
There needs to be a 45 minute episode of the Daleks and cybermen just roasting each other
I'd watch that! 🤣
“Who you ‘gonna call?” “Ghostbusters!” “I ‘aint afraid of no ghosts!”.
"First romance between doctor and companion"
-The Doctor Who TV movie would like a word with you
Also a parallel universe isnt necessarily a mirror universe, just an alternate. Whats to say that time lords even exist in Petes World?
its called pites world
Also the EDAs and that one ad with Romana II and Baker I kissing.
I'm just glad that you capitalised Pete's World because that's what the Doctor recommended he call it, most people wouldn't pay that much attention to grammatical accuracy
Anyone realise that the ghost in Eastenders is obviously a Cyberman meaning a Cyberman was happily taking acting directions from the director??? It makes no sense 😂😂😂😂
Director: ok so you come in and you shout at phil, from there you're gonna have to-
cyberman: *delete! delete!*
Director: no thats not what i-
Torchwood was referenced a few times, at least once in Series 1.
In Bad Wolf, one of the answers to the questions that Anne-Droid asks is: "Torchwood." And the question was about an old Earth institute.
Fun fact: When the show was revived in 2005, the tapes were actually named "Torchwood" just in case someone attempted to steal them.
To be fair at 5:12 Jackie isn’t pulled out by mistake, The Doctor pulls her out on purpose so that Rose can investigate without anyone knowing she’s there
Send them to the CAHNCIL!!!!
Imagine if Eccleston's doctor carried on, he'd be great in this episode!
well of course i don't remember the lead scientists name, HE WAS THE LEAST IMPORTANT
We extracted brain waves...
I actually spummed in my pants when I saw this in the subs
Spummed 😂
Weird
Did we need to know that u “spummed” in ur pants u weirdo bastard
Wait... Do Brits actually say that?
@@changedusername159 we do now.
3:40 I think torchwood is one of the answers in the bad wolf "Weakest link" section.. I don't know if it had any other mentions in S1 but it was a thing
GET THIS MAN 50 PATRONS, PRONTO!
And I want a desk!
This review reminds me why I loved the RTD era of the revival series. Sure it had some flops here or there but most the episodes were always a blast to watch and Army of Ghosts/Doomsday remains as the best season final this series has had in my books.
I thought about the parallel doctor idea when I was watching and it only takes a little bit of tying together to understand why there wouldn't be.
The Doctor says in the Cyberman episode prior to this when they first go to the Parallel universe that the Time Lords used to be able to travel between dimensions easily when they were keeping everything in check. This means that as far as time lords go, there aren't Parallel versions of them, only one version of each timelord exists across all parallel dimensions. This means that since our lovely Doctor is the Last Timelord, and he is stuck in "our" reality and that the only way for him to have gotten to the parallel universe was by falling through a crack in space-time, which was a big part of the previous episode that meant that they had one shot of getting back (and Mickey staying behind to be with his Parallel gran) that there is no Parallel Timelords and no Parallel Doctor. Timelords are exempt from Spacetime as we know it and is why they are able to travel through it so effortlessly.
God I love this finale. Still makes me emotional to this day
15:22 I was not ready for the council gag
Why didn't Rose just use her council axe to stop the daleks and the cybermen???
because he would report her to the COUNCIL!!!
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oh god not the CAHNSILL
Oh my goodness I was so nervous you'd rip my favourites till this day to pieces..literally squee'd with happiness when I saw the high scores!
I appreciated the low neckline of the CEO of Torchwood.
I LOVE THIS TWO-PARTER! SO NOSTALGIC, YET SO EPIC!!! Re-watched it and it still holds up. The only thing that I find problematic is how Rose was saved. THE TELEPORTERS CAN ONLY TRANSPORT ONE AND HE JUST POPS OUT OF NOWHERE! But it one moment amongst Torchwood, Cybermen AND Daleks! The cliffhanger to Army Of Ghosts is one of my favourite moments in the show. CHILLS every time the Cybermen says "The sphere is not ours" and the operatic Dalek theme plays as Rose looks scared shittless XD
At 9:46 you reference the head scientist getting his "face sucked off by a Dalek". I'm sure this is just a coincidence but I gotta mention it: the actor playing the head scientist is Raji James, who was the butt of a lot of jokes on the Ray Peacock Podcast, including but not limited to a segment where they asked him how it felt to get his "head sucked off by a Dalek": th-cam.com/video/Az6nzXrU_eY/w-d-xo.html
God I miss that podcast.
Also hey congrats on being rich now.
You: I give doomsday a 10/10
Me: Spits drink all over bed.
I love the music that starts right when Pete brings Rose to the other side. It has steady backbeat drums, and we haven’t really heard this kind of drum beat in the soundtrack before this point. It’s interesting because backbeat drums usually instill a sense of groove and cheerfulness, but in this context I find the drum beat absolutely heartbreaking. It gives a strong sense of “here we are, this is it.” Like, we’ve arrived at this point and there’s no going back. Murray Gold is a genius
Yaaas I’ve been waiting *cough cough* ''forever'' for this review
I love how the strangely human aspect of Sec that would be amplified in Daleks in Manhattan was established here, in our first meeting with him. He feels excitement, he feels joy in explaining things, in sharing his knowledge (whilst yes it is a cruel excitement, it is still an emotion that Daleks should not be feeling.)
I think the biggest waste was bringing the cult of Skaro in, then destroying them the next time we see them. Having Sec and the crew coming back as familiar faces and developing some sort of respect or bond with the Doctor could have offered so many possibilities.
@@Here_is_Waldo true, they were horribly under-utilised, but I think the destruction was a great idea on RTD’s part in setting up the Stolen Earth and Caan’s survival and subsequent fall to absolute madness
It would be humiliating for sec if he got captured by the cybermen in his human form and forcibly converted, imagine how angry he'd be if he was now inside a cyberman forced to fight his own daleks then getting gunned down by his own kind 😳
Wasn't very clever was it sec to become human now was it?
I really miss old new who if that makes sense? The RTD / David's run is hands down my favourite era of DW, going to have to re-watch it all again soon.
Yeah, even the moffat era looks amazing compared to the chibnall era
Also, it would've been hilarious if Pete materialised a few feet to the right.
The “COUNCIL!” Joke gets me every time, it’s such a well timed joke XD
I’m burning up a sun just to say goodbye.
9:37. the cybermen march in perfect time with soviet anthem
Marx is truly proud
"The first doctor companion relationship" *cries in 8th doctor*
Great video! Love both of these. Definitely up there with my favourite who episodes! And also one of the most heartbreaking episodes ever too.
Man I can remember the day when this was broadcast like it was only yesterday.
How can anyone, after watching this, think that Whittaker and co deserve anything more than a 0.
Cause they weren't in charge of the script...Chibnall was.. The cast were some good people, the script and the way Chibnall wanted 13 to act was what killed it.
7:39 look at the Doctors screw driver, it takes the place of a daleks eye!
I literally bawl my eyes out every single time I watch this finale, and I’ve seen it dozens of times. It just hits me in the feels everytime..
This could have been solved quite easily all they had to do was make Jackie stay and pull one of the levers
Ah yes, one of my favourite two-parters of New-Who. Second to Human Nature/Family of Blood of course.
Ooh I love human nature, I even read the book.
Fellow trooper , why isn't your video feed working ?
“You are superior in just one respect!” “What is that?” “You are better at dying!”
Literally just watched this episode at tea time earlier today. What timing
9:35 had me dying. Now I want an episode of Cybermen in communist Russia
I rewatched the episode yesterday and I can’t even remember the scientist’s name
God Dammit!! I saw the "Skip Intro" button at the start of the Doomsday review and tried to click it! CURSE YOU AND YOUR SUBLIMINAL TRAINING NETFLIX!!!
How dare you skip the intro! 😂
You guys remembered the epic Yvonne moment at 18:05; YES!! That was the part I went bonkers on.
So much work in this well done. Respect !
The parallel doctor thing does get addressed in the Big Finish series Rose Tyler: Dimension Cannon. I know that makes it kind of retcon but it’s still really good and anyone who hasn’t needs to check it out
Can’t believe you didn’t comment about how easy Ten made it look when he had to tell Rose she wasn’t staying with him.. was really looking forward to hearing your thoughts on that.
it always confused me that pete didnt get sucked into the wall when he jumped in
Torchwood was mentioned in Bad Wolf actually, in one of the questions directed by the Anne-droid towards Rose.
(I always adore these videos, btw :D)
AnEalingFeeling it wasn’t toward rose Is was toward broff With the question“The Great Pyramid is built on the remains of which famous Old Earth Institute?” He answered touch down. the real Answers was
“Torchwood Institute”
@@lucifersdevilishdetails. ahhh, yes! Thank you.
Torchwood was referenced as an "Old Earth Institute" during the Weakest Link segment in the episode:- Bad Wolf. :-)
Literally as soon as you put that pic of S11 up I just went "pffftt". This finale was top notch, probably second best to only S1.
How come former companions like Sarah Jane and Jo Grant didn't get sucked into the void?
This episode was one of 4 that I remember enjoying and rewatching before I even liked Doctor Who
damn, the emotions in this two parter. its been 15 years and i still havnt recovered
It was good to have Richard Ayoade guest star in this video at 2:23 lol
The Dalek reveal was pretty shocking to me when I first watched it because I learned very early on not to EVER watch the next time trailers.
“You are superior in only one respect.” “And what is that?” “You are better at dying.” Oooooooh!!! Burrrrn!!!
So guys we did it, we got a second 10/10 from Harry
@@chocolatecake7104 his Empty child and The Doctor Dances full review where He gave The Doctor Dances a 10/10
Ooooh shit, time to go on a Harry's Moving Castle binge again I guess
It was a great two parter and defo one of the best for NuWho! My only gripe was the Cybermen who were very under powered. I can understand these are early enough cybus cybermen tech wise but still would have liked them take out a Dalek or two. I suppose we didn't see alot of the battle so this could have been the case but would have been nice to see one on screen! Great review on this!
TWO shows/movies have ever made me cry & I'm a gun toting, men don't cry kind of American. 'Where The Red Fern Grows' & when Rose dies...worst things ever! ...and some of my 1st memories as a child are of burying hunting dogs, so 'Where the Red Fern Grows' hits me hard. Really shows the excellent writing of Stephen Moffet & acting of Billie & Tennant.
Torchwood was mentioned in the episode bad wolf in the weakest link saying the old earth institute and one of them said touch down and the Ann droid was like, No Torchwood
When Jodie Whittaker speaks I'm also "lulled into a drooling mess on my sofa". That's what agonising boredom does.
They did reference TORCHWOOD in the Christmas Invasion but you really have to be paying attention. Fun fact: when Doctor Who returned to tv, the VHS tapes were called TORCHWOOD to prevent people stealing them.
I have a confession: I have/can not seen the doomsday ending I just can’t bring myself to go through that
"This isn't war this is pest control!"
Friendship ended with black mirror reviews. Now doctor who reviews is my new best friend
12:25 oh, Harry. Why are you being so hard on Mickey? :'(
Even the Doctor thanks and kisses Mickey on the forehead for touching the Genesis Ark because The Daleks would've blown up the sun to open it otherwise.
Great review nevertheless.
Drunk af thought he would hate on this episode. I completely forgot I needed Harry's Moving Castle
The "Annedroid" in Season 1 references Torchwood as well, it's the answer to one of the Weakest Link questions.
I can’t wait for when you review any of series 4
Yes.
Can I just say I LOVE your doctor who episode reviews and thoughts and mostly agree with everything you say. In an ideal world, you'd be QC at DW HQ on the BBC.
I love how Ghost-watch is just a reference to that one BBC broadcast that terrified despite trying to be funny.
Dr. Raj singh....I remembered too 😂😅
Yeah this is a pretty stellar two-part finale. Damn fine television
0:01 *IRONIC TRUMPET NOISES*.
One of my favourite episodes. Thanks for the insightful review. I also cried at the end of doomsday.
9:36, i'm amazed at how well you synced the soviet anthem with the Cybermen marching.
9:37 cyber-soviets
Action! Laughs! Thrills! Tears!! So many tears!
10/10!
Its not pest control its cyber-bullying
Harry you are so valid in being a sucker for sobby romance. 10/10 we stan
Great episode
In that thumbnail, those dalek suckers really did look like Ohare's hair from the Lorax
yea i think this one has a special place in a lot of our hearts
I think the ending is overblown, and never thought the Doctor should fall in love with a human.
However, it's still a great episode!
*"We Would Destroy the Cybermen with One Dalek!"*
"We-are-using-medieval-weaponry"
*".....Shit! That would Destroy us!*
0:00-0:05 Famous Last Words
I mean, she gets a free Doctor clone, so...
Nitro Indigo Yeah, but she didn't know that at the time
Correction Torchwood was briefly mentioned in season one by the Anne droid in bad wolf