Neville & Carragher debate the GREATEST English team of all time! | Monday Night Football
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Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher go head to head to decide who the GREATEST English football side of all time are. The duo duo used a three-season period for each team and awarded points for the trophies won during that time frame.
Who came out on top? Sir Alex Ferguson's treble winning side of the late 90s? Arsene Wenger's 'Invincibles'? Nottingham Forest's European champions under Brian Clough?
Who do YOU think the greatest side of all time are? Let us know in the comments below!
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28 years into the Premier League era, and Sky finally admit football existed before 1992.
Liverpool are about to catch up to leicester city in the premier league
I wonder who you support
@@Alfairyman1 either we don't talk about history at all or we talk about the whole of history. Can't just use a time to suit your agenda.
@Gabriel Afonso i do
The level of football went a lot more competitive after the introduction of premier league. So imo the United team of 07-08 and 99, mourinhos Chelsea and Arsenal invincibles would absolutely destroy the Liverpool side of the 70s.
40+ minute Sky Sports video with Gary and Jamie? Perfect.
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If keane was there it would be perfect
@@MannYSJ1080p no Keane is terrible pundit, he too biased
@@akmalrodzi4633 he even admits it, "these were my teammates, so I'm loyal to them" when picking Liv+United side.
WOKE PIANOMAN just because he can’t be objective about his teammates doesn’t mean he’s a bad pundit. He hasn’t held back when it comes to criticising United in the last 10 years.
EA need to add classic/legendary teams in Fifa already. Imagine playing with the 99 United team vs The Invincibles
It is possible in pes
Issues with player likeness rights and sponsors on the old kits.
it is possible in nba too
Invincibles would get smashed
Like pes is it? Again lol, how do you buy anything from corrupt fifa,
Roy Keane in pes already,
Viera and no Keane wtf
As a Liverpool fan I have always had a huge respect for the things Gary Nevillle says - He sees that little extra when he mentions the extraordinary Leicester winning the league with less Tools and Armour - wise indeed and I must agree - that has to be one of or maybe even the greatest ever sporting acheivement
Honestly Leicester had no competition, they won it with 81 points 10 points clear of Arsenal with 71 points....... all the 'top four' teams finished in the 60's (very poor season indeed). The way i look at it the best teams win with some adversary (a title race) imho the 18-19 season was the two best clubs in recent history going head to head!! none of this win your home games and play for the point away (cough Arsenal...) this was a proper set up to win every game and the two teams won everything (all domestic trophies, Champions league and Club world cup) and finished 97 v's 98!! how many title races have you seen like that!!
Even as a Liverpool fan I have to give the greatest football acheivement down to Cloughie winning the league straight from promotion and following it up with those European Cups-that'll never be equalled dare I say.
For context, this is the points system when applied to teams across Europe:
1. Ajax (1970-1973) - 30 pts
2. Barcelona (2008-2011) - 28 pts
=3. Steaua Bucharest (1985-1988), Real Madrid (2015-2018) - 25 pts
=4. Real Madrid (1956-1959), Celtic (1966-1969), Bayern Munich (1973-1976) - 24 pts
=5. Real Madrid (1955-1958), Liverpool (1975-1978) - 23 pts
=6. Real Madrid (1957-1960), Barcelona (2014-2017), Bayern Munich (2017-2020) - 22 pts
=7. Inter (1963-1966) , PSV Eindhoven (1986-1989), Red Star Belgrade (1989-1992), Man Utd (2006-2009) - 21 pts
=8. Benfica (1959-1962), Liverpool (1981-1984), AC Milan (1991-1994), Ajax (1993-1996), Juventus (1995-1998), Man Utd (1998-2001), Porto (2002-2005), Inter (2007-2010) - 20 pts
=9. AC Milan (1987-1990), Real Madrid (1999-2002) - 19 pts
=10. Nottingham Forest (1977-1980), Juventus (1983-1986), Barcelona (1990-1993), AC Milan (1992-1995) - 18 pts
11. Porto (1984-1987) - 16 pts
=12. Stade de Reims (1957-1960), Marseille (1990-1993), AC Milan (2002-2005) - 15 pts
Grant Jones hats off to you. if you actually did the research and not just copy and paste 👌
Winning the Dutch league isn’t the same as winning the English, Spanish/ German leagues.
Fish Man Winning an English league isn’t the same as winning a Spanish or German one either. So you’re point is invalid
Mr Daniel Pudz RIP MUM I think any football fan with knowledge will understand that winning the leagues I mentioned are far harder than winning the Dutch league. This is why the Dutch league isn’t mentioned as a top league and the ones I mentioned get far more representation in Europe. A real waste of a comment and you look very stupid.
@@welshlad6427 The Dutch league isn't the same in recent times, but there was a time when the Dutch teams dominated in the early 70s. Feyenoord won the European Cup in 1970, but of course it's difficult to compare different leagues, let alone eras.
Carra and Gary really know their football, always a joy to listen to them talk.
Definitely better than Keane, who doesnt have anything insightful to say other than whatever he feels
@@jayrodm643 leave off Keane
@@jayrodm643 well, what else can he say other than what he thinks or feels??!!
@@jayrodm643 I'd rather hear Keane with his honest knowledge than these two specially Carragher's terrible accent
Keane is one of the smartest people in English football. He has strong opinions and is not afraid to say how things are especially against mourinho as man united manager and how moyes was treated
As a Leeds fan totally agree with what Carra said, the 3 year format is a little harsh on that Leeds team because really it stayed as one core unit for nearly a decade, even the 1975 European cup final team was very similar to the team from the mid 60s
Truly miss that 2008 side. Went to old Trafford when they played sporting. 1-0 down at half time.. Ronaldo free kick to win it in the 90th minute. Incredible
I really like how you guys tried to actually come up with a metric for measuring these teams as opposed to just going based on memory or opinion, really good stuff and Carra especially seemed to know a lot about the older teams, it was an incredible discussion about English football, hard pressed to find a better one anywhere.
best team and players in England ever 1966 brilliant on poor pitches good players now except they cannot get up from a fair tackle
Totally agreed. It was so good because they weren't comparing teams, but rather just discussing each one on their own merits in turn. And Carragher's memory and knowledge of football is encyclopedic.
Carra is a polymath when it comes to football.
@@FrowningIke a monomath you could say
@@edwardtory1250 You are totally correct. Honestly never knew that was a word.
You forgot to say “ HEATED DEBATE”
There was no heated debate no one disagreed on anything.
H Q Music Productions H Q Music Productions mate it’s a joke because usually they say “HEATED” as clickbait
Lol
@@hqmusicproductionshqmusicp8882 whoosh
that achievement of Brian Clough and Peter Taylor with Nottingham Forest is incredible. they deserve to be in a category of their own.
Clough at Derby County was an insane achievement too. Got promoted from 2nd Division & following season he won the 1st Division with them too like he would later do at Forest. Got Derby to European Cup Semi too were they were robbed by the ref in Italy when they played Juventus in 1973
If anyone did anything like that these days they’d be hailed a king, clough is one of the best managers ever
Cloughie is a legend.
Everyone gets robbed in Italy
On the pitch and off
MNF really is the best football show around. Knowledgable and compelling debates always. Must-watch TV. Wish they'd put them up on youtube for free all the time so i didn't have to use naughty streams to watch lol
Do you mind sharing your naughty streams so I can be naughty aswell?
@@debsicus lol
The kick off is better
get a sky box mate
Jaskaran Uppal agreed but it is a rip off tbf
Credit to Sky, this is a quality upload.
And then Covid 19 goes & FUCKS everything
And watching it now is still quality
@@Sheepwillbesheep tell them to stop eating weird sh*t smh
@@maverick6775 yes
After years of Andy Gray and Richard Keys we’re lucky to have Neville and Carra as proper pundits now
Yeah they are the good pundits to be honest the guys on ESPN are just for comedy
Came for the debate, stayed for the knowledge.
The only league I regularly follow is La Liga and I sometimes watch highlights of the big games in England, Germany and Italy. I couldn't help but to listen intently to these two gentlemen speak about their home league's history, loved it.
Much love from the States🇺🇸
nice
Unless you’re Spanish, why watch la liga?
@@Rocksteady365mac it's a great league to watch. You can get the same excitement from watching any of the top 4 leagues. I consider Ligue 1 to be more on level with the Portuguese, Dutch and Russian leagues.
@@Rocksteady365mac - without players from la liga, France, Germany, Italy etc pl is a joke
@@geneberrocal3220 Ligue 1 is the 5th best league in Europe comfortably
Glad to see jamie and gary emphasising the importance of the UEFA CL / European Cup, something which was overlooked when people have been discussing city as the best ever.
Or United's. Knowing that they never quite dominated it in Europe just like Jamie's last punchline suggests. Haha
@@judyclarkson5887 facts lmao
European Cup is completely different to the UCL. Much easier to win but it was obviously much more difficult to get into.
@DP24s Music Nah.. Only for United fan i suppose. Almost everyone always regards Ucl as the 2nd most prestigious cup to win after World Cup. Which automatically makes it the most prestigious one in terms of club competitions.
Why do much obsession with Man City 😂😂
The other team to win 3 leagues in a row was Huddersfield in the 1920s
Conor Watt definitely deserved a mention but it’s always post-war teams
Nado LFC unfortunately no European football
@@12kaka03 Simply because there was no European football at the time....
@@leemorris2924 I know that’s why I said unfortunately. They maybe could’ve won one
@@12kaka03 they would have dominated world football at that point.
Joe Mercer/Malcom Allison Man City Era.
1967-68 League 4pts
1968-69 FA Cup 2pts
1969-70 European Cup Winners Cup and League Cup 4pts (first team to achieve domestic and European double of any kind)
10pts total Level with Villa and Busby United knocking Leeds out of the top 12
Anyone would think Sky wants to keep pretending City didn't exist before 2008....
🤣🤣🤣 not good enough to make it
@@leedavies3563 we don't want to hear what your partner tells you... 😆
@@Robedon funny from a packi eh, smell you from here.
@@leedavies3563 White and from Gorton you prat. Maybe supporting the Merchandising of a disater to get those plastic fans you call 'net spend' damaged your brain as well as your soul.
Not to mention the casual racism. When scouseland reaches the 20th century why don't you have a party...
@@leedavies3563 Very classy mate. Can't even spell it. Ignorant mug
Liverpool are the most successful English team--ever! It's quite fitting that they've chose one of the Liverpool sides as the best English team of all time. The 75-78 Liverpool side won 4 European trophies in 3 yrs (European Cup x2, Euefa Cup, & European Super Cup). That blows all other achievements out the water! YNWA!
United are clear and the greatest club in the country as a Madrid fan
@@dkyt3161nobody cares for a Spanish fan opinion
Manchester United front three in 1967/68 European cup winning season were 3 Balon Dor winners. That’s crazy!
yes they were mate
Mohammed Hussain who were the 3 balon dor winners?
LeSkip Bayless George Best, Cantona and Emile Heskey
@@leskipbayless3280 Heimrich Himmler, Pete Best, and Jerry Seinfeld
Law was injured! Didn’t play.
Jamie killed me with that ''but not abroad''. The way he said it and the way Gary looked afterwards with Jamie's satisfied face was perfect HAHAHAHA
Time stamp
Kiei Luahi that last bit made my day hahaha
@@covikt674 40:54
That made it another clear win for Liverpool.
@@Hieillua lol
Carra's sly smile after saying "domination at home, but not abroad" hahaha
😂😂😂😂😂😂 a beautiful ending to the show
Chelsea: 2009/10 - 2010-11 - 2011-12
14 points
Champions league win
2011-12
Premier league win
2009-10
Fa cup win
2009-10, 2011-12
Premier league 2nd place
2010-11
When I saw Chelsea 04-05 06-07..I thought "O,they're gonna have 2 Chelsea teams on their list"..thinking this was a guarantee to be there..and so many English League records broken in and around that Carlo Ancelotti era
Derby relegation with has 11 points has to be the greatest of all time 😂
Would easily defeat 2020 Liverpool
11 points means they would finished at 9th place in this ranking, still not bad
Shayzar 147 would smack the overrated Liverpool 2020.
I think the mighty Huddersfield 18/19 team would run them close.
@@defensiveadriano4341 Good banter.. But quit exposing that you're some bitter barca fans might be a better move mate. Lol
The way carra looks at Gary after that last line kills me 😂
hahahaha and Gary knows he's. He was so annoyed hahaha
best line and it shows what is true but hard for gary to swallow. liverpools domination in europe is what puts them many rungs above manchester uniteds greatest achievements as a club. YNWA
As a city fan you can’t argue against Carra on this one. Liverpool are top dogs in UK football history. No arguments.
Kaiden Naidoo haha looks like you’re on your way back since I wrote that!😕
@@MarpleSteve how?
Coming back to this video in 2023, Pep's Man City team from 2020/21 - 2022/23 would be top of the list with 23 points.
20/21: League win +4, League cup +1, European cup runner's up +2 = 7
21/22: League win +4 = 4
22/23: European cup win +5, League win +4, FA Cup +2, UEFA Super Cup +1 = 12
7+4+12 = 23
When you then factor in that City also won the league in 2 out of the 3 prior seasons (2017/18, 2018/19), with one of those teams breaking the record for most ever points in a season (100), you realize that this is likely the greatest club team England has ever seen.
When Tottenham Hotspur WON the league in 1961 SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY had a great team who came in 2nd place that season and SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY also got to Both Major Cup Finals in 1993 losing both close games to Arsenal after they scored a last minute Goal at the end of extra time just before a pen shoot out Plus SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY also Won the League cup in 1991 against Man Utd.
Hirst, Sheridan, Francis, Palmer, Roland Nielson. Woods, Waddle, Viv Anderson, was a great SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY team who came 3rd in 1992/93 season
Owls nostalgia … young Viv Anderson of ten years before at Forest was the better version of him, and Chris Waddle with the mane was better than the Chris Waddle without the mane. Watched both Arsenal games at the old Wembley - FA cup classic
How does the title not have 'HEATED ARGUEMNT' in it?
Even when it's a normal conversation, HEATED ARGUMENT!
Because Roy needed a night off
Because there was no heated debate they agreed on everything.
😂😂
Probably because they dont know what an arguemnt is
The fact that both Man City and Liverpool of the last 3 seasons would be on the same amount of points if they won all available trophies shows how amazing both teams are
Would be interesting to see how good they would have been when playing on pitches during the winters of the 70s . In comparison they play on bowling greens today
No Offence, If any of the top 8 English teams won all trophies available to them over the last three seasons they would be right up there as the greatest- it doesn't apply to City & Liverpool Only. If Liverpool wins the Treble this year, they'll have 21 Points - puts them joined 2nd - not too shabby considering they won nothing in 2018 and finished 4th in the league. City, however, cannot win the league this season - but if they win the rest: CL, FA Cup & League Cup it will also push them to 21 Points.
And how poor the premier league has become.
I think the reason they didn't include the current sides is because the Premier league and the English top flight in general is the weakest competition wise its ever been
@@paulw6183 currently have the European and world club champions in the premier league so please... do tell how its become weak or poor?
39:50 Garry Neville was spot on there wasn't he?
Pre-1997, I would agree with EC 5 points and League 4 points, however nowadays I would probably make both equal since Champions League now is basically a combination of EC/UEFA Cup (with 2-4 places added from UEFA Cup, for all that important revenue). I would also bump up the FA/League Cups by a point (especially pre-2000).
Todays’ Man City/Liverpool dominance (aside from fitness) can’t beat the level of competitiveness of the 90s (when you had teams like Man United, Arsenal, Leeds, Blackburn, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Norwich, Newcastle, and Tottenham all competiting for the title).
Gary's comment @22:30 was extremely telling. THE greatest managerial achievement ever.
For anyone interested the Wolves team of 1957-58, 58-59, 59-60 (the one they referenced) would have scored 11 points due to them winning back-to-back League titles inn 1957-58 (4 points) and 58-59 (4 points) and coming runners up in the league in 59-60 (1 point) and also winning the FA Cup (2 points). These 11 points would of placed them 8th. Think its a fair mention of how good this team was and would be the earliest on the list.
Don’t forget that after winning the European cup in 1977 that Kevin Keegan left and Bob Paisley went out and bought Daglish, Souness and Hansen. So those three players were in both those great teams.
"Domination at home but not abroad"
-Jamie Carragher, 2020
I could watch this part on repeat. 😂
I too watch it for the lols
Lol, you could tell jamie loved saying that.
how can carragher say that Gary has 2 champions league medals he has 1
@@christianrayner913 Its called banter u knob.
@@christianrayner913 because they're comparing United and Liverpool not Carragher and Neville. United did underperform in Europe given how good they were.
It's mad when you look at the 2 Liverpool Teams included in this - during the "transitional period" in between the 76-78 & 82-84 sides there was another 3 year run where they won:
78-79 - League Title
79-80 - League Title
80-81 - European Cup and League Cup
Which gives 14 points using the system in this video, which is enough to get to sixth on the list.
Dalglish team in the 80's can get quite high as well, depending on how you pick the 3 years.
Man Utd have a couple of similar "lesser teams" during the Ferguson period that could finish quite high too:
91-92 - League Cup & Second in the League
92-93 - League Title
93-94 - League Title and FA Cup
And
95-96 - League Title and FA Cup
96-97 - League Title
And either year before or after they finished Second in the League.
If they went with a top 20 instead you'd probably have close to half the teams coming from Liverpool and Utd (and the majority of them in the top 10).
I think they were being generous to everybody else by not picking repeated Liverpool & United sides because we all know in reality those 2 clubs dominated for decades, not years.
Hansen, Souness, Dalglish, Rush. What amazing players they had...
@@gumdeo Terry Mcdermott, Ray Kennedy. In todays market 60 million pound players easy.
And the Cup Winner's Cup in 1991 for United, if that first period was over three years. The footage of Hughes smashing that ball against Barcelona makes me smile. Amazing stuff.
40:52 LMAO (He was talking about Fergie's United not dominating Europe)
Carraghers satisfied look and Neville's face after he said it was brilliant.
Amazing haha
One of the most interesting videos with Gary and Jamie!!!
Does anybody still come back and watch this video? I genuinely enjoy this and stick it on from time to time and I'd love for Sky Sports to do a similar video on the greatest European side and/or World side based on their points system
Carra's dig at the end was class.
cheeky side glance
Mark Williams he's a biased fanboy first and foremost, and it aint based on reality
How many years does a liverpool treble take?
Bottlejob FC
@@Treeesmith Smeg head
An Everton supporter with less medals, I'm sure Nev will be fine
Yeah, But could they do it on a cold rainy night in stoke?
I think they could mate
@@GrandpaVince Not with Rory Delap's throws and all of those monsters in penalty box mate.
Pretty sure Stoke where still in English football between the 1960s-2000s lol
Have you seen Stoke lately? My local pub team could.
What Stoke? Relegation Kings of English football? Just leave it, lad.
Neville and carragher is pure gold together. Never could u imagine them to could come together I've seriously never seen two people with such knowledge of the game and how they bounce of each other
I can’t believe Gary didn’t elaborate on the Busby Babes, a homegrown very young side full of England internationals they won leagues together and reached the semis of the EC before dying so young. Especially Duncan Edwards who was 21 when he died in Munich, Sir Bobby who is probably England’s greatest ever said he’s the best player he’s ever seen. The way Sir Matt was able to come back and build a whole new team was incredible
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He tried to elaborate on them, but doesn't know enough and probably didn't consult the notes enough! What he SHOULD have elaborated on was the United side that won the EC in 68 - the name "George Best" was not even mentioned...how can I take this commentary seriously?
Not that deep pal
Gary "The Invincibles Would Give You A Chance" Neville
in fairness they only won the league and were knocked out the cups, one of them being United, United also ended the invincible run.
Norm Macdonald In one of the worst officiated games in football history.
@@-The-Darkside United got lucky as hell to end that run, probably was something shady involved. Same with them not winning the CL.
@@malcolmgerald It was top 2 in the champions league that year as it had changed for 1997-98 season, Newcastle played that year. In 1996-97 Man United made the semis and got knocked out by Dortmund who won that year. In 1997-98 despite injuries they made the quarters. 1999 was still a great achievement. I would say Arsenal pushed United all that year and made them perform. It kept the squad focused in all domestic competitions and that helped keep momentum in big European games. Domestic football also seemed to be more competative as the points spread was not so far from top to bottom. You dont see that so much now. The worst teams struggle to get 20 points and the top teams break 80 points as a matter of course.
Funny that Jamie had the last laugh. "Domination at home... But not abroad." lol!
Yeh United reached 3 champions league final and beaten by the best team the world has ever seen. Liverpool only won champions league while other European gaints are shite. Won against spurs explains everything.
@@brianpedron1541 First of all, if we are talking about the 3 year/season period that they are using, then United only reached 2 UCL finals between 2007/2008 to 2009/2010 (3 seasons). To include the 2011 final you would have to stretch that to a 4 year/season period. Secondly, to say Liverpool could only win the UCL because other European giants were trash just goes to show how much of a hater you are. You only mention the 2019 final against Spurs (confirmation bias) to insinuate that Liverpool can only win CLs when other teams are doing badly but completely ignore the fact that Liverpool have won the UCL in the modern era against great sides. For example, in the 2005 final against an AC Milan team stacked with GREAT PLAYERS like Kaka, Maldini, Nesta, Jaap Stam, Pirlo, Seedorf, Cafu and Shevchenko. The bottom line is, what Liverpool have achieved in the last two years has been fantastic. Whether you like them or not, there is no denying that fact.
P.S I am a Barcelona fan. Before you start assuming I'm a Liverpool fan
@@Benjamin-sq9co which of the English team has dominated home and abroad in 3 years duration?
@@Benjamin-sq9co 2005 Liverpool team was not even good. Why would anyone hate, what's point of hating. Jamie taking dig at Gary ". I'm not talking about before PL era.
@@Benjamin-sq9co By the way if you had any sense All other Europeans giants are struggling and are still building their teams. Barcelona heavily dependent on Messi still fixing sacking Managers looseing matches regularly. Madrid aging squad struggling without Ronaldo. Bayern still building their squad. Juve don't even count struggling with Sarriball. City is the only one comes close to challenge Liverpool.
Same in PL it's a 2 horse race while others are trash including United. Perfect time for them, right moment perfectly build squad to dominate. Nothing taking away from them. Liverpool board did a great job. They deserve to win after so many years of trying.
Excellent episode.
Some brilliant football teams in that list.
Would love to see Sky do an episode of best European teams using the same points system.
That would be interesting!
It will be interesting to see how things change after 2020/21.
Great to see Everton getting off to a flying start, Top of the League after 3 wins.
No ime not an Everton fan but great to see.
Mourinho’s Chelsea team of 04/05 which only conceded 15 goals is much better than Pep’s City teams or even this Liverpool team. But the recent merchants at it again 🤷♂️🙄
No it isn't.
Less points tho...
Man United 1999 would destroy the mercenaries FC
@@Pubhooligan74 Chelsea 04/05 are better than that treble winning team.
Beatsboxdre Beats we have the best team
Watching Everton in the 80,s made me fall in love with football.
Southall, lineker, gray, Reid, Sharp, sheedy. Some team.
Probably the best team in Europe from 85 to 87, but we'll never know.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@It is what it is At least 2. Just because some other team got Everton banned at their peak.
Everton are the only side not able to compete for the European cup in all this list during their best era.
@It is what it is Tooo long pal.🙈
It is what it is that could of changed the history of that club
Liverpool done the double in '86, you weren't even the best team in Liverpool, you just had a team that could compete with Liverpool, that's all.....
Gary refusing to make eye contact with Jamie at the end after that "but not abroad" dig... 😂😂😂 I love these 2. I hope we get to see them together on this show for many, many years to come! Love their insight - almost as much as I love their banter!
These two are the best duo hands down! No-one comes close. Can't believe Neville missed a trick at the end though, when he failed to mention the fact that United 2006-2009 holds the record for the longest unbeaten run in UCL history. If the roles were reversed, no way Jamie passes up the chance to use it😂😂
it looks like they had a back and forth befre the video began, the way Jamie looks over.
@@youngstars4144Means nothing if you don't win the trophy 😂
@@sib1930 Well they did win, didn't they?
Even as a diehard Man U supporter I liked that reaction from Gary after Jamie had a little dig about Europe, well played
Bob paisley is the most underrated manager in world football and its sad to admit even in Liverpool fan circles he is underrated....
he was a great man ynwa
He's in Bill Shankly's shadow.
Paisley is one of the greatest ever. 20 trophies in 9 years which includes 3 Champions League titles.
@@woodsmen9844 absolutely, in modern era mangers are gauged against their predecessors success while in the case of paisely he was gauged against the charisma of shankely...
Dalglish’ Liverpool of 87,88 & 89 should be in this... clearly. But the European ban at the time means they don’t get the “points” debated in this... crazy. It was arguably the greatest side ever.
For Nottingham Forest to still be in 5th place after being out the top flight for over 20 years, is quite remarkable!
Lol how about now
@@djulesii7107 whooooosh
This was a good watch, funny how these two have such chemistry as colleges with their history as rivals... Growth is evident if ever🙌🏾
Carra with the cheeky "Domination at home...but not abroad" and then the sly smile...good bantz
It is good bantz to be fair. But playing in the Premier league, with how competitive it is and champions league at the same time, it's almost impossible to win both. United are the only English team to even get to a champions league final and win the Premier league in the same season. All 4 UCL finals (winning 2) they got to, they won the league the same year. But Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and Liverpool all reached UCL finals, (Chelsea and Liverpool won it) but never won the league in the same season. No other team that's won the Premier league, ever won the UCL in the same year. Let alone got to the final. It's incredibly difficult. So as much as a English side could have in the modern game, United did. But I think the main problem is Ferguson always wanted the league title.
@@Bobby.2000 you make more money out from winning the league so I don't blame him.
The fact is any team nowadays would run most older teams into the ground from the simple fact that they have history on their side tactically plus advancement in medicine and sports science.
Ita about what they achieved in their tome not comparing teams of today to teams of then
How old are you?
It'd somewhat depend on which era that dream match would take place. It's a softer, almost no contact game now. If a defender's little toenail touches an attacker's leg during a tackle, the player collapses and VAR or the ruleset says it's a foul.
Can you imagine Raheem Sterling playing in the FA Cup, even in the 90's?
Rougher, tougher play style, looser ruleset and ripped up pitches. Yo-yo teams weren't able to dip into TV funds back then to maintain their surfaces.
If ANY last generation backwards team on this list played against current day Liverpool or the unplayable City in today's day and age obviously they'd be run off the pitch and half the team would be booked. It wouldn't even be close. It'd be a bit closer if they went back in time and played, though.
The players still possess the same quality. Maybe more as you didn’t have to be as dedicated and as athletic as you do now. If you put those players in to the modern game and allowed them to get fitter, they’d be just as good or better
Hard to out run anyone, when you're being kicked into the stands.
Love that last second look by Jamie towards Gary and Gary's reaction right after, after what Jamie says about Alex Ferguson in those last moments of the video lol
Great listening to these two discuss this. They mention Arsenal (1930's), Liverpool (1980's) & Man Utd (twice; 1990's & 2000's) being the only English top flight teams to win three league titles in a row. That is incorrect. There has been four & In the 1920's Huddersfield won three in a row (1924,1925 & 1926). 😊👍
Herbert Chapman was manager at Arsenal and Huddersfield wasn't he?
He was. He won the 1924 & 1925 titles. 1926 was by Cecil Parker who funnily enough finished 1st above Herbert Chapman's Arsenal 😎
It's interesting when Jamie talks at the end about Sir Alex not dominating abroad to remember that no team in that era dominated abroad in that era (from about the mid 90s to 2010 when United dominated the league). Perhaps the only team that "dominated" in that era were Juventus who reached 3 consecutive finals but lost 2. Real Madrid and Barcelona reached 3 finals (and won all) in a 15 year period. Manchester United and AC Milan reached 3 finals and won 2. It was a really competitive time with some truly exceptional teams.
Real won three times in five seasons. Also Ajax, coming from a smaller league to reach two finals and a semi final in a row, is also quite the achievement.
But Ajax won it only once though. So it's not dominantion by the standards Gary and Jamie set.
Utd also won a Cup Winners Cup in the 90s with Ferguson
Jamie with that parting shot 🤣😂
Probably the best video I've seen from Sky Sports. Fair and quality analysis
I love that they get nostalgic about other teams, and times
Chelsea (2004-2007). Love that team.
• Peak Mourinho.
• Unbeatable at home in the PL (86 matches unbeaten). The next best is Liverpool 1978-1981 (63 matches) and 2017-Present (54 matches).
• In the 2004/2005 season they set the then record of 95 points in the league and conceded the fewest goals ever, which wasn't broken until Manchester City's 100 points in 2017/2018.
• Lost 1 match in 2004/2005 season courtesy of a penalty which Nicolas Anelka converted against us when he was playing for Manchester City.
6 trophies
- Premier League = 2
- League Cup = 2
- FA Cup = 1
- Community Shield = 1
A shame we fell short in the Champions League despite two semi final appearances.
It was a shame they never won the champions league in that period. But as a football fan, I'm glad I got to watch Milan v Liverpool in '05 and Arsenal v Barca in '06
And weirdly it was Avram Grant who ended the curse of losing to Liverpool in European Cup tie.. Football is strange sometimes indeed
wildebest shut up we didn’t , we won trophy before roman
wildebest we have won trophies before
wildebest we represent London better won the champions league, leagues fa cup, every European trophy in the world and we are there first english team to win all four European competitions
awesome discussion. Love football!
I can't express how good these type of vids r. Cara and nev r brill
Good Show. I like the discussion. Very well done!
nottingham forest 🔥🔥
Magic
FACTS. Should be at the top of the list, hands down...unbelievable achievement
Best English club side ever is currently top of the league end of. Numbers don’t lie.
How have I just seen this , elite level content.
I really like the comparison carragher made between him and Gary’s different experiences against Arsenal and Chelsea. Arsenal and man Utd played games expansively and attacked and tried to dominate you so once they came up against a chelsea side that would let u play at them but not break through they struggled whereas for the other teams who would sit off against Chelsea it was a lot easier to deal with the attack of Chelsea than it was Man Utd or arsenal
I wish they took the quality of the other teams …. these 12 teams have beaten
because this current era is no way near as good as the 2000-2010 decade of football so would the Liverpool or man city team be dominant playing when Jose and Ferguson and Wenger where in the league with great teams even the real madrid team with Zidane and Ronaldo, figo or the barca team with messi Xavi and iniesta
I WANT TO HAVE THAT JOB. ITS AMAZING HOW THIS GUYS TALK ABOUT FOOTBALL
40:52 Carra wraps it up and smirks while Gary stares directly into the camera 😂😂😂
If Roy Keane and Jamie did this, it would be so entertaining, with a fight.
It would have been Keane calling everyone crap and Jamie saying whatever he thinks would be the most popular choice
70's Liverpool side are definitely the greatest english team of all time and Emlyn Hughes was the best player of that era(Proved by winning the most caps of any English player in the 70's). Bob Paisley was the manager of that team but the credit for that fantastic side has to go to Bill Shankly as he built it. Those 2 managers and Sir Alex Ferguson still not as great as Brian Clough though. What he did with a provincial Nottingham Forest side will never be repeated and that is the greatest achievement in the history of English football.
Spot on. Agree 100%. Especially about Clough.
What cough did was amazing from promoting to European champs twice.
Man utd were same when ferguson arrived and doing that for sucha long time isnt easy
@@arnavxarc0074 Not from 2nd division to instantly making them some titles-winning side tho. Let alone Fergie needed 4 or 5 yrs first before he got his first league title.
Edward Snowden Tho he was more succesful
RIP Brian Clough
the most astonishing achievement in the history of football by a mile. if they did it in a film u would say nah to far fetched.
Quality debate. Love Carragher and Neville always talking a good game.
This was so good. Really interesting!!!
The Liverpool team from 87 to 90 was pretty good but English teams were banned from European competition at the time.
Yea, were the best two English teams in that three years. Not playing in Europe at that time though meant that their squads were smaller.
@marble hall Highbury grancanyon1970 Liverpool got English teams banned? It was an accident caused by trouble between two sets of fans. Only Liverpool and the English were punished by a corrupt and English-hating UEFA. Nothing has changed with UEFA still corrupt as ever and favouring Spanish teams in general. Liverpool were dominating Europe at the time and had done for years. A chance to ban them and they took it. It was a horrible tragedy caused by an accident that resulted from crowd trouble between Juventus and Liverpool fans. I have spoken to those who were there on the night. Both groups of fans involved were responsible just as much as eachother. The wall collapsed as a result of both sets of fans attempting to scale it. Not JUST Liverpool fans. It also killed Liverpool supporters. Not just Juventus supporters. Although, by bad fortune it happened to collapse more-so towards the Juventus fans. Blaming "Liverpool" is extremely ignorant and childish.
Matt Van Emden na apparantly we are “murderers”
I like how Gary Neville nearly called Jürgen klopps name before mentioning pep guardiola at the beginning of this video, he looked like he was about to throw up and have a stroke 😂
Carragher mentioned that the three best Liverpool players were Dalgliesh, Souness and Hansen all Scottish.
They are in my ultimate Liverpool team no doubt
And mine, I think the late 70s side as it was the team I grew up with.
Such a shame that the Liverpool 87/88-89/90 team didn't make the cut because of the European ban. Barnes / Beardsley / Aldridge possibly the best striking partnership of all time
Yeah they were a brilliant team.
UEFA hate the English, even if Liverpool should’ve been banned for max 2 years, it was hardly necessary to ban every English team
Yes that team has to be there
Brian Clough also took Derby from 2nd division to win the league title and European cup Semi final, which they would have won but for a corrupt referee.
Clough was definitely something special.
But he did better at the mighty redss
Shame blinkered FA never got him into England.
Zee Zee What about Leeds he did shite for leeds
As a United fan, it pains me to say that this current Liverpool team could go down as one of the greatest of all time. When they win the premier league, and if they can add another CL, they’ll undoubtedly be one of the greats. Not to mention they came second with 97 points last season. Henderson has to go down as being one of the great captains ever as well, as much as we can’t admit it
An honest one. I tip my hat.
Toby Hellewell that’s bait
wildebest nah you’re wrong. I think he’s an ordinary player still but just by the amount of trophies he’s going to have to his name, you can’t deny him as one of the greats
I am dutch, the Dutch always put down English football as kick&run. Nonsense, of course. I played in Holland with some English blokes in an amateur team. One touch! Amazing, learned a lot. So English football is in the core great. Personally I loved Forest when it was at its peak. Great team, take Robertson. Leeds at its peak was fantastic as well.
Who’s here after 2019/20 Liverpool have failed to win the UCL, FA Cup, League Cup, and then bottled their invincible record against Watford, got bantered for so long through the lockdown, celebrated so much when they realised football was coming back, celebrated when they finally won the Prem, came back and drew to Everton, lost 4-0 to city, drew against Burnley and recently lost 2-1 to Arsenal and are now probably not even considered one of the top 2 or 3 PL teams?
You’re so petty😂😂
They're the earliest champions.
The greatest English football team ever is the Liverpool team from 1976 to 1984 7 league Titles out off 9 3 league titles on the bounce 4 European cups 2 on the bounce 3 European trophies on the bounce first English team to win a treble of league title European cup and league cup 4 league cups in a row 1 Uefa cup and 1 Uefa super cup they were a pure winning machine and true greatness .7 leagues 76,77,79,80,82,83,84 .4 European cups 77,78,81,84 .4 league cups 81,82,83,84 .1 Uefa cup 76 and .1 Uefa super cup 77
Damn right mate , people dont like admitting it and try to ignore it and hope it goes away , AND ITS LIVERPOOL , LIVERPOOL F.C THEYRE BY FAR THE GREATEST TEAM THE WORLD HAD EVER SEEN !!!!!!!
Preach on brother
Greatest by achievement without doubt. But the best team ever to watch was Liverpool 1987/88 Barnes, Beardsley and Aldridge that was fantasy football amazing.
And if it weren't for the European ban, would of been a couple more trophies!
The old European cup was a joke compared to the Champions League.
In 1977 to win the cup Liverpool beat the great teams;
Crusaders - from NI
Trabzonspor - from Turkey
Saint Etienne - from France
Zurich - from Switzerland
And then the grand final against the great powerhouse of Borussia Monchengladbach 😂
78 they beat Club Brugge in the final. In 79 it was Malmo FF.
In the criteria they should have given bonus points like
1pt for a League and FA Cup/League Cup double.
2pts for a League and CL double
3pts for a treble etc
Dusty Brah and a point for retaining any of them.
Points system my arse who thinks of these ways of finding out who is the best team working with different tools i.e. lighter boots lighter ball diets pich conditions technology rules need i go on game changes all the time so no equality in different era's
What amazes me about the Forest achievement is that the Liverpool that just had the 3 year period of success that scores the most points by this criteria. Arguably they got better during the years Forest won as the side changed personel for improved players. The signings improved, Liverpool had a 68 point season but Forest beat them to win League cups. Won Divsion one and knocked the Liverpool team who were the holders of the European cup out of the competition then win it that year and again the next. All after having being promoted from Division 2 the year before. It is an unbelievable achievement.
Imagine how improbable that would be to do in any season in the near future. It is unbelievable.
How are Man City the Team of the decade when they won 4 League Titles and 2 FA Cup and 4 League Cup (Which Is 10) When CHELSEA Won 3 League Titles, 4 Fa Cups, 1 League cup, 2 Europa League cups, 1 CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 (THATS 11 TROPHIES)
winning 2 europa league is a sign of your club doing bad in europe and not something to be proud of .... it's like saying shieffield united have won 2 championship winners medal and liverpool have only 1 premier league
Nottingham forest being Fifth is disrespect. I'm sorry they won 2 champions league trophies in 3 yrs. That's impossible to do even today. No team compares 🙅🏾♂️
INNNITTTT
didn’t real win 4 from 5...
@@bennewman543 we talking about English clubs here but yeaa you are correct
I mean barca won it in 2009 and 2011 and real won it 3 times in a row so its been done 2 time s in the last 11 years so how is it impossible to do even today
@@James_utd123 I'm talking about English clubs. That's the teams they debating are the greatest. Are they not???
I'd be interested to see how the table would look over a 4 year period
Peter I agree, as a magpie I’m obviously biased but “greatest team of all time” is clickbait” without the leagues greatest striker, if he didn’t make carra n Phil look so foolish week in week out it might’ve been a different table 😂
@@gshiretv I've sat here for 5 minutes trying to understand your comment and I still don't get it. What does Alan Shearer have to do with any of this? He didn't achieve enough by the criteria to be in one of those top 12 teams plus he never played for any of the clubs regardless of era.
What about 20-year period
@@Derekstefan Don't you know? We're talking about individual greatness here! Team achievements are overrated!
@@hinzjaii well all of the players would be different so that wouldn't tell you anything about the best team. that'd be an indication of the best overall club, I suppose.
3:03 the looks on their faces after jamie drops the 'they never did it in europe' is priceless lmao
"Doesn't say how many points on the medal" no, but you do get a gold trophy for being unbeaten.
Gary Neville actually played in and was part of two of these teams. He also captained one of them. Unfortunately all Carragher can do is talk about these great teams.
Champions league and stuff don’t count nah chum?
Man united fan I take it ya fool
@@jonathanluney9856 you really wanna compare stuff?
@@jonathanluney9856 carragher had decent success as a player but it would be stupidity to try and claim he was on the same level as a player as Gary. Gary was a better individual player and achieved way more with his club as well
@Cool Dude replying to a 6 month old comment with a bla bla😂😂😂
But Carra is a club legend of the club whose team was rated the best English team in history.
The Liverpool team from this year will be talked about in 20 years time as the best premier league of all time stats don’t lie
Edm C 😂😂😂🤣👋👋👋😂🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I agree mate ynwa
Sir Mason Greenwood - Ballon D’Or winner 2025 look of the state of your name enjoy the europa league on thursday mate 😂😂😂
Arsenal invincibles will always be the best for me but there definitely going to be up there
@@aaronryan8979 I agree mate goonies goonies goonies
watching gary n jamie back in the day fighting in games , wouldnt of thought they would be on sky together 10 years later lol
Listening to Monsieur Auclair is always a pleasure (huge fan of his regular appearances on The Football Weekly). He is quite eloquent and articulate for someone whose first language is not English.
Lastly, I feel that 1-4-2-4 system might unlock the best out of the superstars. Messi is in the 10 role with Di Maria on the right of a front three. Veratti and Herrera or Gueye in a midfield two.