This is why Rogers' teachings remains the foundation of much of our advanced counselling. Just listening to the guy for 14 minutes can give you more understanding of being a good therapist than an entire week's worth of university lectures.
@@rosemarynagtegaal3423 Yalom wrote a book about group therapy that was unbelievably useful to me when I was training. He talks about group dynamics and how people within groups take on different roles. Here is a link to the book www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Theory_and_Practice_of_Group_Psychot/PolVDgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0
Carl Rodgers work was HEAVILY used by Central Intelligence agency from the 1950’s on into today….so yeah, listening to what the words are that people use expresses huge indexes to what they’ve experienced & how easy it is to manipulate them by simple empathetic means.
I transcribed the end for everyone. .. I loved it that much lol Carl Rogers definition of empathy. he no longer refers to it as a state of empathy as he did in his earlier definition because he believes it to be a process rather than a state. the way of being with another person which is termed empathic has several facets it means entering the private perceptual world of the other and becoming thoroughly at home with it it involves being sensitive moment to moment to the changing felt meanings which flow in the other person To the fear or rage or tenderness or confusion or whatever that he or she is experiencing it means temporarily living in his life moving about in it delicately without making judgments, sensing meanings of what he is scarcely aware, but not trying to uncover feelings that he is totally unaware, since this would be too threatening. it includes communicating you're sensing of his world as you look with fresh and unfrightened eyes at elements which he is fearful it means frequently checking with him as to the accuracy of your sensings and being guided by his responses you are a confident companion to him in his world by pointing to the possible meanings in the flow in his or her experiencings you help him focus on his useful kind of reference to experience his meanings more fully and to move forward in his or her experiencing
A good number of incorrections in that version as well as no punctuation at all, some lines are even joining separate phrases, so here's a more accurate one (some other transcripts also have "confident" but I believe it's "confidant", given the context: confident means the trust you have in the person due to his own confidence in himself; confidant means the trust you place in him listening and understanding you, becoming part of your life as keeper of what you gave and shared of yourself with him): [...] I'd like to attempt a description of empathy which would seem satisfactory to me today [1974]. I would no longer be terming it a "state" of empathy, which is in my earlier definition, because I believe it to be a process rather than a state, and perhaps I can capture that quality. The way of being with another person which is termed empathic has several facets: It means entering the private perceptual world of the other and becoming thoroughly at home in it; It involves being sensitive moment-to-moment to the changing felt meanings which flow in this other person - to the fear or rage or tenderness or confusion or whatever that he or she is experiencing; It means temporarily living in *his* life, moving about in it delicately, without making judgments, sensing meanings of which he is scarcely aware, but not trying to uncover feelings of which he is totally unaware, since this would be too threatening; It includes communicating your sensings of his world, as you look with fresh and unfrightened eyes at elements of which he is fearful; It means frequently checking with him as to the accuracy of your sensings and being guided by his responses. You're a confidant companion to him in his world: by pointing to the possible meanings in the flow of his or her experiencing, you help him to focus on this useful type of referent, to experience his meanings more fully and to move forward in his or her experiencing.
@@Portubed Hi, thank you for your input! The Rogers' text published in The Counselling Psychologist 1975 / 06 Vol. 5; Iss. 2 actually reads "confident companion". I've just checked it.
Little did these peeps probably know that nearly 50 years later counseling students would be learning from what they experienced in person. Just incredible. Go Carl!!!
I always would watch this video when I worked with individuals who experienced mental distress, a great example of how empathy can help others in need.
Too often we get caught up with defining or slicing every motive or action into something specific and direct we can understand, I think the answer tends to be simpler than we'd like to believe. Empathy is the umbrella that covers and harbors all the good and connection between us.
What a fantastic human being. He shows excellent communication skills by putting the clients thoughts and feelings at the forefront, rather than being the expert. My favourite of the great psychologists.
This video is fantastic but also summarizes what the 1960s was all about. You can feel it especially when you see how attentively the students listened.
I noticed that they gathered around him leaving the chairs that are behind them and far away from him, I think that speaks about their interest in listening to him.
I wonder if the woman social worker Roger hired, who so powerfully influenced his approach, had a name...and I wish he had recognized it in his presentation.
So based on the end definition. Some people could potentially base this style of listening off telegraphing behaviours. And if they trust the "listener". Then the listener could mislead them down a path of seeing their weaknesses as opposed to full on open dialog leading them to see their power and strengths. Which is why you should be cautious on who you allow into such a verbal or nonverbal conversation with you.
@@artivism4068 true. And any therapist should also be wary of using techniques on clients and third parties that are not evidence based and not backed up by randomized controlled clinical trials on adults which also show percentages of negative outcomes, of which Humanistic Counseling has none - as is the situation of most psychotherapy techniques.
I learnt the application of emphatic listening from Chris Voss and his book. And learning as techniques. Rogers might not like that but I am a better healthcare worker because of it. I noticed it have to be learnt as a tool.
The reason he says it isn't a technique is because empathy has to come from a place of congruence, from a place that is honest and true to who you are. If empathy is fake, or simply used as a technique, clients will sniff it out.
Hugely interesting for me to hear Rogers talk about empathy and listening, and illuminating to hear Rogers recount the bastardization of reflective listening. (Same type of bastardization has occurred with the correlation of the "10,000 hours and world class expertise. Such bastardization shows why it is wise to consult the primary source.) I'm delighted to hear Rogers, I'm still recovering from the depressing flute music that could make Donald Duck or Road Runner suicidal. Meigs
Wonderful! Does anyone know where Carl Rogers gave this lecture? Was it at UC San Diego? I would love to find out and I'm grateful for helpful feedback - thank you! ☺🙏
would have been useful had he referenced the social worker by name. Its also curious about the culture where the attendees are sitting on the floor, like children, and I wonder whether that was thought about when they set the scene for the lecture.
Can anyone cite ANY Randomized Controlled clinical trial that shows the efficacy of Humanistic Counseling on adults, and also INCLUDES the percentages of negative outcomes along with the efficacy of said therapy? If so, please cite the exact title of the study or studies, and the names of the researchers. I looked on PUBMED, and found NONE.
😂 Nice try. Peterson is the wishful Hero who weasels his way into somebody’s psyche with religious lies (all lies are useful because only the naive believe in truth), stomping on people’s brains (because, hey, didn’t he say that adversity is good because it breaks the DNA or sumthin’), slashing left, right, and centre to make a mandala- labyrinth in which he casts the shadow of his own imaginary dragon that he finally kills whilst humming to himself ‘Forever Jung’ song. The collateral damage that the client is hands to him the last payment for therapy. The circus audience applauds.
How do you go beyond just being a mirror for someone? If all you're doing is repeating back what a person is saying whilst copying their body language, are you truly listening?
Substituting the confessional with a holy father figure to phycoanalysis. Freud turned against his Jewish faith to another kind of religion to improve human condition.
Although I think the Rogerian approach is not very useful and quite superficial (he wouldn't be able to prove many of his assumptions and his methods don't work for a series of issues) I did like this video and he's quite right on this topic. But it's probably no better to our mental health to have a person centred therapist than to have a friend we hire by the hour... Is it just me or his methods are just too subjective and a bit of a placebo?
I dont think so. Ive seen this work in people and Im not even a therapist. This is something that people are also born with. My personality type is INFJ and it is a wonderful example of this type of empathetic listening ability to heal people and help them self-reflect to explore their connection between the inner and outer life.
It takes a great deal of skill, courage, and strength to put aside one's own values, beliefs, and desire to guide others; instead choosing to see life from the others point of view, sense and share the emotions and underlying messages they convey, and create a safe environment that feels safe enough for them to go deep. It is easy to give advice and a bunch of exercises to see what sticks. There's an arrogance to assuming in one or a few sessions you can sum up who someone is and what's wrong when they've lived x amount of years before meeting us and had so many experiences in their conditioning that we know nothing about. Everything we need is within but most modalities, social norms, and others point us externally for healing, acceptance, validation, appreciation, and esteem; PCT points inside. PCT says I know you can do it, you are capable, able and I will come along with you as you figure it out. And Maslow's Hiearchy of Needs is also from the humanistic approach.
It’s the only form of therapy that can work. First and foremost it is non- judgemental and tries to understand the other in all the fullness of his/ her experience.
This is why Rogers' teachings remains the foundation of much of our advanced counselling. Just listening to the guy for 14 minutes can give you more understanding of being a good therapist than an entire week's worth of university lectures.
Totally agree!!
absolutely...it's like listening to your grandad lol
Absolutely! I've never heard anyone talk so much sense before. Brilliant.
yaaaass!!!
So true!
I am a psychotherapist.... I imagine many on here are too.... this thought is STILL so relevant today.... Rogers and Yalom are my 'dudes'
Carl Rogers is swell... Yalom's books drive me crazy lol
Agree! Existential Psychotherapy by Irv' is one of the best!
I love Yalom!!
Who is yalom?
@@rosemarynagtegaal3423 Yalom wrote a book about group therapy that was unbelievably useful to me when I was training. He talks about group dynamics and how people within groups take on different roles.
Here is a link to the book www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Theory_and_Practice_of_Group_Psychot/PolVDgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0
"Many years ago, I realized how powerful it was to listen to a person." - Carl Rogers
Carl Rodgers work was HEAVILY used by Central Intelligence agency from the 1950’s on into today….so yeah, listening to what the words are that people use expresses huge indexes to what they’ve experienced & how easy it is to manipulate them by simple empathetic means.
"Locate power in the person, not in the therapist." Love Carl Rogers!
agreed:)
Yes! I must listen to their experience. I am trying.
I transcribed the end for everyone. .. I loved it that much lol
Carl Rogers definition of empathy.
he no longer refers to it as a state of empathy as he did in his earlier definition because he believes it to be a process rather than a state.
the way of being with another person which is termed empathic has several facets
it means entering the private perceptual world of the other and becoming thoroughly at home with it
it involves being sensitive moment to moment to the changing felt meanings which flow in the other person
To the fear or rage or tenderness or confusion or whatever that he or she is experiencing
it means temporarily living in his life moving about in it delicately without making judgments, sensing meanings of what he is scarcely aware, but not trying to uncover feelings that he is totally unaware, since this would be too threatening.
it includes communicating you're sensing of his world as you look with fresh and unfrightened eyes at elements which he is fearful
it means frequently checking with him as to the accuracy of your sensings and being guided by his responses
you are a confident companion to him in his world by pointing to the possible meanings in the flow in his or her experiencings
you help him focus on his useful kind of reference to experience his meanings more fully and to move forward in his or her experiencing
Thank you for transcribing this precious way of being with an Other.
This is beautiful. Thank you for taking the time to write it out
A good number of incorrections in that version as well as no punctuation at all, some lines are even joining separate phrases, so here's a more accurate one (some other transcripts also have "confident" but I believe it's "confidant", given the context: confident means the trust you have in the person due to his own confidence in himself; confidant means the trust you place in him listening and understanding you, becoming part of your life as keeper of what you gave and shared of yourself with him):
[...] I'd like to attempt a description of empathy which would seem satisfactory to me today [1974].
I would no longer be terming it a "state" of empathy, which is in my earlier definition, because I believe it to be a process rather than a state, and perhaps I can capture that quality.
The way of being with another person which is termed empathic has several facets:
It means entering the private perceptual world of the other and becoming thoroughly at home in it;
It involves being sensitive moment-to-moment to the changing felt meanings which flow in this other person - to the fear or rage or tenderness or confusion or whatever that he or she is experiencing;
It means temporarily living in *his* life, moving about in it delicately, without making judgments, sensing meanings of which he is scarcely aware, but not trying to uncover feelings of which he is totally unaware, since this would be too threatening;
It includes communicating your sensings of his world, as you look with fresh and unfrightened eyes at elements of which he is fearful;
It means frequently checking with him as to the accuracy of your sensings and being guided by his responses.
You're a confidant companion to him in his world: by pointing to the possible meanings in the flow of his or her experiencing, you help him to focus on this useful type of referent, to experience his meanings more fully and to move forward in his or her experiencing.
Thank you for doing this :)
@@Portubed Hi, thank you for your input! The Rogers' text published in The Counselling Psychologist 1975 / 06 Vol. 5; Iss. 2 actually reads "confident companion". I've just checked it.
I am so glad that I can watch videos with Carl Rogers here! He is an icon to me!
Little did these peeps probably know that nearly 50 years later counseling students would be learning from what they experienced in person. Just incredible. Go Carl!!!
Thank you so much for sharing this. I'm so happy I can listen to Carl Rogers 42 years later, yet so much to learn for his non-directive approach.
Before even listening from the start, I am saying; Carl Rogers, is alot of who I am today. 💗🙏 my icon. Listen, word by word its unbelievable.
I always would watch this video when I worked with individuals who experienced mental distress, a great example of how empathy can help others in need.
Wonderful man. I’ve always been so drawn to his personality and theory.
That last summary description on empathy blows my mind. Carl seemed to be really artistically-minded in the way he produced content.
Very much so. I agree.
He was spot on with the prediction of the future prominence of behavior therapy
An absolute legend
Carl rogers is a real psychologist.
A rarity where I am O_o
They should be friends of humanity.
Too often we get caught up with defining or slicing every motive or action into something specific and direct we can understand, I think the answer tends to be simpler than we'd like to believe. Empathy is the umbrella that covers and harbors all the good and connection between us.
What a fantastic human being. He shows excellent communication skills by putting the clients thoughts and feelings at the forefront, rather than being the expert. My favourite of the great psychologists.
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definition of empathy [12:28]
It's so amazing and useful to lissen at his words....Thank you so much Carl Rogers, your ideas are still alive and very helpful.
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My point exactly. Majority heal from venting.
Leaves the few of us much in need without future solutions.
Awesome Rogers, awesome collar
This video is fantastic but also summarizes what the 1960s was all about. You can feel it especially when you see how attentively the students listened.
carl rogers is so amazing.
Watching from my motivational interviewing course in SMI advisor it’s very eloquent very spot on communication
Wonderful to see this intimate sharing of his work.
I adore him!!! The students looked so bored! I would love to have been there sitting on the floor!
It looks pretty hot in there. Perhaps they're tired... Or maybe stoned, lol.
I guess they didn’t know his true worth back then or how far his techniques have come.
I thought it looked like they were listening carefully actually... lol different perspectives.
I noticed that they gathered around him leaving the chairs that are behind them and far away from him, I think that speaks about their interest in listening to him.
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Thank you for sharing this. It was very useful in the making of my own video about Rogers and his approach to psychotherapy.
The greatest gift you can give anyone is silence. Robert A. Johnson.
Thank you! Still valuable today.
Great mind and heart!
Merci beaucoup pour ce partage, c'est vraiment fabuleux !
Thank you so much for uploading this video...It helps me a lot with my assignment in Counselling.....
this is an owesome thrapetic process...
I wonder if the woman social worker Roger hired, who so powerfully influenced his approach, had a name...and I wish he had recognized it in his presentation.
So based on the end definition. Some people could potentially base this style of listening off telegraphing behaviours. And if they trust the "listener". Then the listener could mislead them down a path of seeing their weaknesses as opposed to full on open dialog leading them to see their power and strengths. Which is why you should be cautious on who you allow into such a verbal or nonverbal conversation with you.
thats true. on a side note, you should also be cautious of ingesting a hotpocket with a mountaindew.
@@artivism4068 true. And any therapist should also be wary of using techniques on clients and third parties that are not evidence based and not backed up by randomized controlled clinical trials on adults which also show percentages of negative outcomes, of which Humanistic Counseling has none - as is the situation of most psychotherapy techniques.
I learnt the application of emphatic listening from Chris Voss and his book. And learning as techniques. Rogers might not like that but I am a better healthcare worker because of it. I noticed it have to be learnt as a tool.
Paying attention to what you are doing usually helps. When dealing with people recognizing they are human certainly helps.
The reason he says it isn't a technique is because empathy has to come from a place of congruence, from a place that is honest and true to who you are. If empathy is fake, or simply used as a technique, clients will sniff it out.
Wow listening to people is good this man is a genius psychological science is really progressing
In what way?
Hugely interesting for me to hear Rogers talk about empathy and listening, and illuminating to hear Rogers recount the bastardization of reflective listening. (Same type of bastardization has occurred with the correlation of the "10,000 hours and world class expertise. Such bastardization shows why it is wise to consult the primary source.) I'm delighted to hear Rogers, I'm still recovering from the depressing flute music that could make Donald Duck or Road Runner suicidal. Meigs
What a legend!
Wow 2020 and it is still relevant
How can any psychotherapy technique be relevant today if not evidencve based? Is Humanistic counseling evidence based?
Powerful.
It's unfortunate that the female social worker who taught him the concept of empathetic listening doesn't get named, or any recognition at all.
No recognition? Lots!
Grow up.
Sometimes all you have to do is listen and your clients tell you how to figure out their problems. Sometimes even they listen to themselves.
WHO WAS THE WOMAN WHO WAS A SOCIAL WORKER WHO INVENTED THE TECHNIC THAT HE USED IN HIS WORK? UNNAMED AND UNPAYED FOR THAT
Yes that is my question, too!
Admire Carl for his work and at the same time I think is part of a machist pattern.. much to learn humanity
Jessie Taft
Wonderful! Does anyone know where Carl Rogers gave this lecture? Was it at UC San Diego? I would love to find out and I'm grateful for helpful feedback - thank you! ☺🙏
Found it: UC Santa Cruz!
Around 1:50 rankyam? - what kind of training is that? i want to look it up.
Rankian - Otto Rank
Simply listening…
To suggest the emotions and ask visitors to validate them are much better than showing them the emotional wheel and demand them to express themselves
Boi he can fly over trumps wall with that collar
Yeah, but he could step over the sum total amount of empathy that Donald Trump possesses for others, and he would never need to raise his feet.
2:00,…Rontgen or "Rontgenian” training he’s speaking about the Social worker Jesse Tafts…(?)
Thank You so much for this Videos .
would have been useful had he referenced the social worker by name. Its also curious about the culture where the attendees are sitting on the floor, like children, and I wonder whether that was thought about when they set the scene for the lecture.
Yeah feels a tad cult like the way they are sitting or maybe just a chilled/hippie way of listening to a lecture.
This looks like UC Santa Cruz, Stevenson College
I think this was the real psychologist who should be emulated.Person centered was really a powerful theory .
deep and useful, Love Rogers
2:00 "Reflect is a word that later made me cringe but.." lol 'cringe'
LEGENDARY WORDS
Thanks for the upload!
Anyone know what became of patient? I really wish him well.
I’ve thought about going to therapy but I wouldn’t have a clue what to talk about..I’d rather listen
Thank you for posting this!
What a gorgeous collar
Mad collars they rocked back in the days!
Can anyone cite ANY Randomized Controlled clinical trial that shows the efficacy of Humanistic Counseling on adults, and also INCLUDES the percentages of negative outcomes along with the efficacy of said therapy? If so, please cite the exact title of the study or studies, and the names of the researchers. I looked on PUBMED, and found NONE.
muito bom! alguem poderia traduzi-lo para português
Legend
More than never Roger is essential root in American and modern psychotherapy.
Anyone know what school he was at?
Great video!
Wonderful. Tnank you for uploading to see this man who brought so much to therapy :)
Podria poner otra música me da nostalgia, me deprimo 😂
A man is explaining a man’s world.
70s film always has that flute music lol
Covering for counselling in 2023.
video won't load for me chrome, windows 7 20mbs connection. would be nice to be able to see what he was gonna say about listening though
RFT and Funktional Contextualism
"Interesting" audience.... Anyway I'm here as 2nd yr psychology student
2:42
My Muster!!! ;-)
The heighst One!
11 women are present.
Close your eyes and you would think you were listening to Carl Sagan lol.
Peter Jordanson brought me here
😂 Nice try.
Peterson is the wishful Hero who weasels his way into somebody’s psyche with religious lies (all lies are useful because only the naive believe in truth), stomping on people’s brains (because, hey, didn’t he say that adversity is good because it breaks the DNA or sumthin’), slashing left, right, and centre to make a mandala- labyrinth in which he casts the shadow of his own imaginary dragon that he finally kills whilst humming to himself ‘Forever Jung’ song. The collateral damage that the client is hands to him the last payment for therapy.
The circus audience applauds.
How do you go beyond just being a mirror for someone? If all you're doing is repeating back what a person is saying whilst copying their body language, are you truly listening?
Substituting the confessional with a holy father figure to phycoanalysis. Freud turned against his Jewish faith to another kind of religion to improve human condition.
At first, I thought this was a late 70’s Sylvia Kristel movie.
🙌🤍
Nice tan.
Are you always so shallow??
shelagh mcgee Most of the time.
Irena Pusnik you're pretty either way
Shalom McGheeberg
🎥⌚️⌚️
Great man but he's rambling and a bit dramatic.
Although I think the Rogerian approach is not very useful and quite superficial (he wouldn't be able to prove many of his assumptions and his methods don't work for a series of issues) I did like this video and he's quite right on this topic. But it's probably no better to our mental health to have a person centred therapist than to have a friend we hire by the hour... Is it just me or his methods are just too subjective and a bit of a placebo?
I dont think so. Ive seen this work in people and Im not even a therapist. This is something that people are also born with. My personality type is INFJ and it is a wonderful example of this type of empathetic listening ability to heal people and help them self-reflect to explore their connection between the inner and outer life.
I see your point, but those kinds of friends are only found in Hallmark movies.
Nelson Ferreira, you are spot on.
It's just you.
It takes a great deal of skill, courage, and strength to put aside one's own values, beliefs, and desire to guide others; instead choosing to see life from the others point of view, sense and share the emotions and underlying messages they convey, and create a safe environment that feels safe enough for them to go deep. It is easy to give advice and a bunch of exercises to see what sticks. There's an arrogance to assuming in one or a few sessions you can sum up who someone is and what's wrong when they've lived x amount of years before meeting us and had so many experiences in their conditioning that we know nothing about. Everything we need is within but most modalities, social norms, and others point us externally for healing, acceptance, validation, appreciation, and esteem; PCT points inside. PCT says I know you can do it, you are capable, able and I will come along with you as you figure it out. And Maslow's Hiearchy of Needs is also from the humanistic approach.
Go home and read Kohut
It’s the only form of therapy that can work. First and foremost it is non- judgemental and tries to understand the other in all the fullness of his/ her experience.
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