It's called global skepticism, and it's an argument that falls subject to Agrippas trilemma; the best rule being "progress ad infinitum" which means all proof rests on matters themselves in need of proof, and so on to infinity. Aka the regress argument. It inevitably becomes circular thinking and meaningless in nature.
Dude had an agenda, wanted you to ask a specific question, you didn't ask it, did it for you and STILL he gave an absolute nonsense answer ... ( Scratches head)
I heard a creationist say in one of these debates that “I really feel that it’s logical…” I mean, he really said that out loud! That’s what these people do. They think that scientists believing the data and evidence is akin to their believing the Bible believing everything they read in the Bible.
I’m kinda stunned Planet Peterson doesn’t have at least 10X the subs that he’s got. These videos are freaking GOLD. I love when he debates the flerf “leaders” (oh yeah, they have like a whole group of fundamental Christian flerf young earth creationists who don’t even believe space is real and think it’s illegal to go to Antarctica and nobody ever does. I wish I was making this up)
23:26 The reason why arguments from ignorance are bad is because at some point all knowledge was unknown. So back in the day we didn't know how lightning worked. But just because we didn't know how lightning work it doesn't make it a miracle. And we know today that lightning in fact is not a miracle. So we can't just say that because we don't know something it's a miracle because just like lightning it could just be a natural phenomenon that we have not learned how it functions.
“I wanted to convert.” That’s the end of that discussion right there. You wanted to believe something, so you went and found a reason to believe it. Critical thinking seeks to eliminate bias in the pursuit of truth, regardless of whether we want it to be true or not. In trying to make the point that you have a bias, he admitted his own confirmation bias.
Gotta love the Placeholder God that, until such time as every last gap in our understanding of everything is comprehensively explained away by science, should be the supreme determinator of our moral values, etc., despite not having evidence for its existence beyond fantastical claims of unverifiable miraculous events. No thank you.
It is also insulting and arrogant. You know better what I think than I do? I just told you what I think but you are telling me it’s wrong. The only thing I have 100% certain of is the content of my own thoughts so screw you.
Re: Healing of Lourdes: "One of them was examined by a medical doctor in late 1800s France..." Do... do you believe every tall story, my dude? "Yes, I'm very Catholic" Ah, there it is - the over enthusiastic late convert 🙄
What is it with religious people looking to fiction for some sort of foundation? Im convinced that some people aren't able to distinguish reality from fantasy.
oh, there are soooo many people who can't, and since most believers are brain washed when they were too young to be able to distinguish between fiction and reality, they continue to be unable in adult life.
The late 1800s was a time when they still accepted the four humours view of medicine, and where seeing a doctor was more likely to kill you than not. Sorry if I don’t accept that a doctor back then would be able to accurately conclude that there was no natural cause for an eye condition going away.
"I wanted to believe it, therefore I did" Wow. Dude revealed his own motivated reasoning to himself, on a recording, with a straight face. Why didn't you "want to know the truth if it can be found" instead? Answer: you were looking to make yourself feel comfortable. Congratulations 🎉
That last point of his shows his flawed thinking better than any other. He claims the Lourtes story is steeped in so much religious context that the only explanation could be a religious, miraculous one. It happened to religious people because... of course it would? The fact that all of the people involved have every insentive to make shit up is enough reason to move on to the next claim. Why is god only healing catholics? Why isnt he doing it in the modern era when his work can be reviewed? If you want something to be true, you can believe it to be true. This is the case with literally anything.
Okay so there is this god called JARED, and JARED makes everybody happy for as long as they want after death, potentially infinite time, but they can die permanently as well if they want to. If what i believed was based on what i wanted to believe, i would believe in JARED. JARED sounds like a really cool god
Sadly the caller is misinformed. No one of the early church fathers specifically identified a manuscript written by one of the 12 apostles. Sometimes apologists lie about this but it was not until Irenaeus in 180 CE that we specifically got authorship attributed to texts we can now call the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
I want to belieEeve 🎶 Also, why Lourdes' miraculous spring would stop to heal people? This dude god got bored with it and went to watch Stargate instead?
So he is wrong about SG1 haha! The leap of faith is Jackson walking through a wall of fire just to find out it was a hologram. The invisible floor episode was to test that Jackson was willing to risk his own life to save another. Just an fyi. 😊
The man still saw from one eye, which means he had the ability to interpret visual sensory information. If he was hopeful or believing that he would be cured, he could have fallen victim to psychosomatic sight in the damaged eye. There are documented cases where this occurs, such as in incidents of Anton's Syndrome. Further, there is a phenomenon known as blindsight, in which people who are cortically blinded still exhibit the ability to perceive visual stimuli through various of unconscious perception. Rational explanations are always going to be more likely than miracles because we know they are possible, we know they happen, and they don't require any suspension of natural laws or the assumption of paranormal activity that cannot be (and has never been) substantiated. Occam's Razor is the rational person's friend.
I took the _biggest_ poop a couple days ago. I had to go for days and just couldn’t! I’m telling you it was a MIRACLE, I don’t have a scientific or biological explanation! I also didn’t look for an explanation or even consider one bc I IMMEDIATELY knew that poo was a gift from god. A true miracle.
so, basically he is describing some silly game which has no meaning whatsoever and for some reason I should play this game? why? and if this game has proposed "prizes" - it's a silly cruel game - though how it would be consistent with benevolence? it wouldn't. So, nothing of this "theory" make sense - it's why it either doesn't make sense to believe any of this or to participate in any of this.
I’m pretty sure this dude actually thinks an atheist is anyone who’s not a Christian. I’m not even an atheist I just think all these literalists and fundamentalists are cuckoo. I’m weird but I just view god as the natural energy of the universe. Like the energy that caused the Big Bang and is still everywhere and makes up everything in the known universe is my version of god. Not some sentient sky daddy who tortures some while only showing himself to and helping ppl who think the Bible means to hate gays and Jewish people. I I know my own view doesn’t make sense but yeah, it makes me feel better lol
Which version of Christianity? Church of the East, Oriental Orthodoxy, Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, Restorationism, Anglican, Anabaptist, Jehovahs witnesses, Church of the Latter Day Saints, Scientology, non-Trinitarianism, Evangelical and 100s of other cult-like denominations that have beliefs which all contradict each other. Instead of being universal, every single distinct geographical area where Christianity exists there are nuances in the belief system and widely varying interpretations. About 300,000 years ago is when the first near-biologically identical human beings existed. Jesus never existed for 99% of the time humans have existed, why wait 300,000 years to send a “saviour” ?
I just don't understand why "we don't know" isn't an acceptable answer
It's called global skepticism, and it's an argument that falls subject to Agrippas trilemma; the best rule being "progress ad infinitum" which means all proof rests on matters themselves in need of proof, and so on to infinity. Aka the regress argument. It inevitably becomes circular thinking and meaningless in nature.
Dude had an agenda, wanted you to ask a specific question, you didn't ask it, did it for you and STILL he gave an absolute nonsense answer ... ( Scratches head)
I heard a creationist say in one of these debates that “I really feel that it’s logical…” I mean, he really said that out loud! That’s what these people do. They think that scientists believing the data and evidence is akin to their believing the Bible believing everything they read in the Bible.
No, you have to grab my wrist and stand here, now grab my shirt and lean to one side so I can flip you"
I’m kinda stunned Planet Peterson doesn’t have at least 10X the subs that he’s got. These videos are freaking GOLD. I love when he debates the flerf “leaders” (oh yeah, they have like a whole group of fundamental Christian flerf young earth creationists who don’t even believe space is real and think it’s illegal to go to Antarctica and nobody ever does. I wish I was making this up)
23:26 The reason why arguments from ignorance are bad is because at some point all knowledge was unknown. So back in the day we didn't know how lightning worked. But just because we didn't know how lightning work it doesn't make it a miracle. And we know today that lightning in fact is not a miracle. So we can't just say that because we don't know something it's a miracle because just like lightning it could just be a natural phenomenon that we have not learned how it functions.
“I wanted to convert.” That’s the end of that discussion right there. You wanted to believe something, so you went and found a reason to believe it. Critical thinking seeks to eliminate bias in the pursuit of truth, regardless of whether we want it to be true or not. In trying to make the point that you have a bias, he admitted his own confirmation bias.
Wanting to believe and convert is a very strange way to a approach reality.
I wish I could ask that person why an infallible and inerrant god needed to have its biography settled by a vote.
Gotta love the Placeholder God that, until such time as every last gap in our understanding of everything is comprehensively explained away by science, should be the supreme determinator of our moral values, etc., despite not having evidence for its existence beyond fantastical claims of unverifiable miraculous events. No thank you.
"You don't want it to be true"... the most desperate xtian lie of them all 😂😂😂
Xtian? Sorry, even though I’m 37 I don’t speak millennial 😂
@@Andy_Babb Have you ever heard about Xmas?
@@Andy_Babb Xtian means christian but like all xtians there is no christ in it.
@@TronTheKhan Ahhhh. Thank you my friend. That definitely tracks lol
It is also insulting and arrogant. You know better what I think than I do? I just told you what I think but you are telling me it’s wrong. The only thing I have 100% certain of is the content of my own thoughts so screw you.
U are the most patient person I have seen in a long while. I have no idea how u kept it together...
I mean the guy was rather respectful. Not like many of his guests who resort to insults, and 12th grade banter to prove their point.
He’s a teacher lol he’s had to hone his patience skills over years of practice 😂
Miracles are "real" but 9000 children unmiraculously die every single day from malnutrition. But hey, enjoy your parking spot at the mall.
Amen 😂
100% lol. What makes these people believe?
“I don’t need facts, they aren’t important” lolll don’t we know it
Watching Stargate without becoming a critic of religion tells that he didn't understand the series' meaning.
Re: Healing of Lourdes:
"One of them was examined by a medical doctor in late 1800s France..."
Do... do you believe every tall story, my dude?
"Yes, I'm very Catholic"
Ah, there it is - the over enthusiastic late convert 🙄
What is it with religious people looking to fiction for some sort of foundation? Im convinced that some people aren't able to distinguish reality from fantasy.
oh, there are soooo many people who can't, and since most believers are brain washed when they were too young to be able to distinguish between fiction and reality, they continue to be unable in adult life.
The late 1800s was a time when they still accepted the four humours view of medicine, and where seeing a doctor was more likely to kill you than not. Sorry if I don’t accept that a doctor back then would be able to accurately conclude that there was no natural cause for an eye condition going away.
Is he forgetting the episode of SG1 where they encounter a young species that advanced so quickly because they never developed religion?
"I wanted to believe it, therefore I did" Wow. Dude revealed his own motivated reasoning to himself, on a recording, with a straight face. Why didn't you "want to know the truth if it can be found" instead? Answer: you were looking to make yourself feel comfortable. Congratulations 🎉
That last point of his shows his flawed thinking better than any other. He claims the Lourtes story is steeped in so much religious context that the only explanation could be a religious, miraculous one. It happened to religious people because... of course it would? The fact that all of the people involved have every insentive to make shit up is enough reason to move on to the next claim. Why is god only healing catholics? Why isnt he doing it in the modern era when his work can be reviewed? If you want something to be true, you can believe it to be true. This is the case with literally anything.
Weaponize argument from ignorance. Other religions can claim magical healings too.
I like to call it _Ignorance via incredulity_
"You should believe in miracles", later proceeds to give good reason not to.
Okay so there is this god called JARED, and JARED makes everybody happy for as long as they want after death, potentially infinite time, but they can die permanently as well if they want to. If what i believed was based on what i wanted to believe, i would believe in JARED. JARED sounds like a really cool god
I'm converting to Stargateinity
18:50 did he just admit that God takes away peoples free will?
A lot of denominations do that, like Calvinists.
21:41 🤨
So what he is saying is that he started actually believing the claims of christianity once his confirmation bias was strong enough 😅
Literal brain rot.
Sadly the caller is misinformed. No one of the early church fathers specifically identified a manuscript written by one of the 12 apostles. Sometimes apologists lie about this but it was not until Irenaeus in 180 CE that we specifically got authorship attributed to texts we can now call the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
The Exodus never happened. Or let’s say that better: there is zero evidence outside of the the story of the bible that it happened.
The Christian book or fairy-tales was heavily bowdlerised in the 10th century so who knows how much of it original.
I want to belieEeve 🎶
Also, why Lourdes' miraculous spring would stop to heal people? This dude god got bored with it and went to watch Stargate instead?
Stargate IS pretty sweet, to be fair. I mean, anything with Kurt Russell can distract me from my regular chores.
So he is wrong about SG1 haha! The leap of faith is Jackson walking through a wall of fire just to find out it was a hologram. The invisible floor episode was to test that Jackson was willing to risk his own life to save another. Just an fyi. 😊
He did an (investigation)😁💯😳
The man still saw from one eye, which means he had the ability to interpret visual sensory information. If he was hopeful or believing that he would be cured, he could have fallen victim to psychosomatic sight in the damaged eye. There are documented cases where this occurs, such as in incidents of Anton's Syndrome. Further, there is a phenomenon known as blindsight, in which people who are cortically blinded still exhibit the ability to perceive visual stimuli through various of unconscious perception.
Rational explanations are always going to be more likely than miracles because we know they are possible, we know they happen, and they don't require any suspension of natural laws or the assumption of paranormal activity that cannot be (and has never been) substantiated. Occam's Razor is the rational person's friend.
Typical response " they were at the wrong Christian sermon"
Is this Baked Alaska?
It literally says in the New Testament, when you open the damn book Christians, it says the authors are ANONYMOUS!!! Read bro!
I took the _biggest_ poop a couple days ago. I had to go for days and just couldn’t! I’m telling you it was a MIRACLE, I don’t have a scientific or biological explanation! I also didn’t look for an explanation or even consider one bc I IMMEDIATELY knew that poo was a gift from god. A true miracle.
so, basically he is describing some silly game which has no meaning whatsoever and for some reason I should play this game? why? and if this game has proposed "prizes" - it's a silly cruel game - though how it would be consistent with benevolence? it wouldn't. So, nothing of this "theory" make sense - it's why it either doesn't make sense to believe any of this or to participate in any of this.
I’m pretty sure this dude actually thinks an atheist is anyone who’s not a Christian. I’m not even an atheist I just think all these literalists and fundamentalists are cuckoo. I’m weird but I just view god as the natural energy of the universe. Like the energy that caused the Big Bang and is still everywhere and makes up everything in the known universe is my version of god. Not some sentient sky daddy who tortures some while only showing himself to and helping ppl who think the Bible means to hate gays and Jewish people. I
I know my own view doesn’t make sense but yeah, it makes me feel better lol
Emo indoctrination
Gotta say I'm glad you're not being as confrontational as I've seen you be in the past. I personally enjoy a less hostile debate
dude is nice talker idiot, he had his structure, nice smooth taking, nonsense points.
Most...not all...but most of those confrontations were started by the other person.
Whimp
all roads lead to Christianity
Except for Muslims. And Hindu. And Buddhists. And...
Satanists, Atheists, True Agnostics, Agnostic Atheists, could go on forever. Arguing is pointless. Cant prove or disprove a god or gods.
I never built a road ,so only pastures and streams for me.
Including the road that leads to hell.
Which version of Christianity?
Church of the East, Oriental Orthodoxy, Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, Restorationism, Anglican, Anabaptist, Jehovahs witnesses, Church of the Latter Day Saints, Scientology, non-Trinitarianism, Evangelical and 100s of other cult-like denominations that have beliefs which all contradict each other.
Instead of being universal, every single distinct geographical area where Christianity exists there are nuances in the belief system and widely varying interpretations.
About 300,000 years ago is when the first near-biologically identical human beings existed. Jesus never existed for 99% of the time humans have existed, why wait 300,000 years to send a “saviour” ?
The guy citing Lourdes and not saying the name correct.