I been dealing with flerfs for like 10 years and to this day it amazes me how confident they are while being demonstrably wrong about everything. I can't imagine ignoring so much evidence just to continue believing in a an obviously false model. 😊
@@-Monad- man I tried to think of another word for it besides model when I was writing this but it was just the easiest way to get my point across. I completely agree with you. Not once has a flat earth model been presented.
they don't even do a good job of that, they sound so stupid with every sentence. Like I could make myself sound smart when talking about some physics topic to the lay person because I know words and concepts somewhat more than them, but Flerfs just throw around things that any lay person can easily and instantly refuse, sounding not smart at all.
@@Soapy-chan That's why I only occasionally listen to people like that Witsit nitwit! He tries to stuff as many big words as he can, in every sentence, that I don't think HE even understands himself! The people in this vid are... just.... meh...
I was actually a bit broken up when I found out he passed away... ngl We all used to listen and laugh at the "debates" 5-6 years ago at our shop... (the originals) like him, Jeran, Morgile, etc.. Whata bunch of bonehead grifters! It was funny though! Can't believe this nonsense is still around like this! lmfao people are dumb!
"Top shelf arguments" "Well, if you take away the sun and if you then take away the earth, can you still spin around in space? Yes? There! Proved....something!"
It's astounding that these people think they're way smarter than all the scientists that have ever lived, but don't understand the simplest of things... 😂
The only thing that you need to know about flat earthers is demonstrated in this conversation. Eric asked about the fact that locations on the same meridian line grow farther apart as they approach the equator from the northern hemisphere but then grow closer together as they move away from the equator in the southern hemisphere. Flat earth disproved. Full stop. Their response? To immediately change the subject (talking about what longitude is), not answer the question, and repeatedly lie about the subject (longitude was first developed with a round earth model and a geographic location of Alexandria as 0 degrees). So in other word they run away from positive disproof, lie, obfuscate and bluster. Typical... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitude
This is exactly what happens in every conversation I have with flerfs. I bring up star trails in the southern hemisphere and they respond with "Well, why does Polaris stay in one position forever if we're moving so fast through space?" Not only is their script factually wrong but they cannot have any conversation about anything outside of their script.
They're obscuring the argument. I think they're making some historical argument referring to the Royal Society or Navy determining how longitudinal degrees were originally at the Greenwich Observatory, they made sure 0 degrees went through Greenwich.
It depends on how you create the prompt. Next time, ask ChatGPT, "As a flat earther who is ignorant of most of science and deny anything I don't understand and is too stubborn to accept any opposing facts, would you say that latitudes are based on the position of the sun?" If you do this, ChatGPT will stay say the flerf is wrong.
chatgpt says “Longitude lines themselves are not based on the sun, but the method historically used to determine longitude involves the sun and timekeeping.” and also says “Yes, you can find your longitude and latitude without relying on the sun, moon, or stars. Here are some modern methods” so he’s LYINGGGGGGG
The equation of time is just a computation between mean solar time and apparent solar time. The measurements it is based on are derived from a spherical Earth.
28:30 They are 100% wrong. You can absolutely create a system of latitude and longitude on a map using whatever criteria you want without ever seeing a sun for it.
I can't believe these guys invoke the haversine formula. Do they NOT know what that is? It is LITERALLY for measurements of distances on a SPHERE. They are using globe math. Also, none of them can do celestial navigation without invoking the sphere. The celestial navigation almanac is explicitly ground positions on a globe earth.
@@jonc1733 These guys NEVER want to provide their model of the earth. They just know that the globe is wrong, just because they don't understand basic science.
@@ChallengeYourBeliefs was really hoping Peterson would ask ehat model they use. Would be a good starting point in all his flerf debates so they can't run away from it
They are so amazed that lat & longitude can be extended into the sky, but they don't stop to wonder why "they chose" 15°/hr for meridians rather than say 10° or 60°. It's because a circle has 360° and a day has 24 hours so it works out to 15°/hr. "If the sky was black you couldn't devise a grid system! It's just not possible." - OK there sparky. 🙄 A circle still has 360° even in the dark.
It would be different every minute. Every second too but that requires a higher degree of precision. But the lines of longitude would be moving across the surface of the earth at... Wait for it... 15 degrees per hour. Thanks Bob
@@Farce13 I don't believe. It would take ALL day to figure that out. Besides, only a flerfer would sit looking at the sun, like our teacher's told us not to. It might explain addled thinking because they stay out at night wondering where the light has gone. ;)
22:00 - Who is the TODDLER talking here? If you can’t have a DISCUSSION without being all emotional and acting like a child, you SHOULDN’T be in a discussion! Once again, I’ll give Eric huge kudos for being so patient with this baby. I honestly would NOT be able to spend 30 seconds talking to a guy who acts like a little girl and just rages at EVERY point!!
I discovered your channel some weeks ago. I watched some of your content and this one is special. These people are not dumb or idiot, they're in deep denial and that is so sad to here through the entire video.
Regarding determining the latitude and longitude without any celestial references such as sun, moon, or stars, you could use a Foucault pendulum and time.
While I agree with you that the "jiff" pronunciation is stupid, Steve Wilhite (the creator of the GIF image format) chose that pronunciation to make a play off of the peanut butter brand. While it *is* the official/correct pronunciation, you won't catch me saying it like that either.
that's ALWAYS what they do. 'HURR DURR DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT WEBSITE USES GROUND-BASED TELEMETRY TO CALCULATE ZENITH ANGLES HAHAHAHAHAHAHA GLOBERS ARE SO STUPID"
They love to interrupt and then cry when they're interrupted. And then they like to interrupt your explanation to ask a different question and cry that your running away
Funny how when Red's Rhetoric filmed the sun through the entire day from sunrise to sunset including solar noon, WITH a proper solar filter on, the sun did NOT change in angular size. Imagine that.
The 13 pixels thing is quite strange. That means that the sun changes size in a very negligible way. Far less than what would be expected on the flerf. It would have to be drastically reduced in size in order for their plurality of models to be considered viable
Nice example of flerf BS. 5 : 33 "What happens is the temperature difference causes refraction, right, because you have a temperature gradient. OK, so this is well known that if you heat something up till it's red hot or glowing hot, that it'll appear bigger than it actually is. OK, so the sun is pretty hot, right?"
I like how when you being up the point of 2 people travelling south in the southern hemisphere, they immediately start to pretend that the flat earth model they always use isn't the one they use. Then they want to argue what meridians are without acknowledging that meridians DIVERGE on their model.
He looked at images of the sun at different times and counted the pixels to compare size? Lmao the size would change drastically if you zoomed in or out even a tiny bit. Thats like measuring the size of an object with a ruler against the image on a monitor 😂
Wait I swear one of them sounds exactly like that ken who went to complain to the guys who repaired his phone saying brown rice wouldve fixed it from penguinz0s video
Your first argument about moving s below the equator was all that was actually needed. Everything after that is just them doing sofistry moving the goal posts and willfully misunderstand even the simplest concept. And they are kinda good at that. I give em that.
"you are presupposing that everything in the sky should behave the same way" I mean... if like 99.9999999% of what is in the sky behaves the same way, why would I NOT presuppose that the sun and moon are not an exception? Like... HUH?
This is a perfect example of how clueless flerfs are on simple geometry... 🤣🤣🤣 This is something even a 5th grader would not have an issue in understanding...
At around the 22:00 mark. You can actually find your latitude, and if it's in the northern, or southern hemisphere with the help of a Foucault Pendulum.
Lol so let me get this straight... The sun stays the same size all day, which means it's not moving much. Then suddenly at sunset it accelerates wildly? Do they even realize they're kinda proving a round earth if they coordinated with people in other time zones? East coast would "observe the sun moving super fast suddenly", meanwhile the guy at the west coast wouldn't see any size change...
The 13% is the angular size change of the moon from aphelion to perihelion (over the course of a month). I guess he think one "thing in the sky" is the same as "another thing in the sky".
"I'm in GMT+1, where am I?" Well that depends on the time of the year. The UK is at GMT+1 half of the year, it is at GMT+0 the other half. In (northern) winter GMT+1 is CET. So that is between 10W to 30E (west most part of Spain to east most part for Norway). In (nothern) winter GMT is from 18W to 26E ( west of Western Sahara tp east of C.A.R.). If the Sun sets these time zones, how can they overlap in this way?
I love how Flerfs use the fact that they don’t have one settled upon model to all answer questions differently. Prime example…. One guy says the sun gets smaller, it’s just that refraction makes it look bigger (because it’s hot like a piece of iron???? 😂😂😂) Meanwhile, the next guy claims….no, the sun actually does appear smaller in the sky. He claims it’s 14% smaller and you can measure it everytime. But, the two guys don’t seem to disagree with each other. They only disagree with Planet Peterson
We don't use GMT anymore, we use UTC. For my life, we have used satellites to locate 0 deg, it is 100m away from the telescope method because of inaccuracies in determining zenith. The telescopes at the Greenwich observatory used star transits of the eye piece. Not the sun or they would have to have found a new astronomer after two observations.
The sun appears squished in height near the horizon due to refraction. However the width of the sun does not change. There are many videos out there that show this.
I've always thought it really neat that the refractive index of Earth's atmosphere is almost exactly the Sun's width. If you see the Sun resting on the horizon, it's already set 🤯
@@BillCoz but they have a map! And if you just divide by the square root of the angle of the radius and multiple by the distance to Polaris, then you actually get a shorter distance as you move further out from the center. So it makes perfect sense!
Morons: oh yeah we the real flat earthers out here Kids started getting real quiet when they realized their mate doomed their point with the angle thing
Because they don't like the consequences of their model. That's why every flerf likes to act as if they each have their own unique model but refuse to elaborate on it
My dad's pretty deep into flat earth and etc.. I thought his inability to see reason was because of his psychosis diagnosis. I see now that it goes deeper.
Hot metal actually increases in size compared to a cold piece, so it doesn’t just look bigger, it is bigger. The sun is not a hot piece of metal, believe it or not
The flerfs were talking about celestial coordinate system that is generally used to get positions of celestial objects, such as stars. While that can be mapped to Earth's longitude and latitude, forming an *ecliptic* longitude and latitude, it is not same as *geographic* longitude and latitude. Geographical (that we generally use) and ecliptical (used in astronomy) coordinate systems are different things, but both agree with each other. Flerfs here are trying by fallacy to say that they are same thing. Geographical coordinate system doesn't use Sun, while ecliptical coordinate system can use Sun (but not limited to it).
“Come here for top shelf arguments”
“What shape do you think a flat earth is”
I been dealing with flerfs for like 10 years and to this day it amazes me how confident they are while being demonstrably wrong about everything. I can't imagine ignoring so much evidence just to continue believing in a an obviously false model. 😊
tbf it's not even a model, it's just them saying "nuh-uh" to the standard model of literally every field
@@-Monad- man I tried to think of another word for it besides model when I was writing this but it was just the easiest way to get my point across. I completely agree with you. Not once has a flat earth model been presented.
@@earthisfat6184 fair enough 😂
Echo chambers are scary for this reason. They've convinced each other through just that.
It's quite simple, it's not about reality or science, it's purely a belief so they have make stuff up to fit this hole they have dug themselves for.
The first rule of Dunning Krueger club is, always pretend you’re smarter than you are.
The first rule of Dunning Kruger club is, you don't know you're in Dunning Kruger club
@@MK-Ultra0😂😜🤣
@@MK-Ultra0 I like it.
they don't even do a good job of that, they sound so stupid with every sentence. Like I could make myself sound smart when talking about some physics topic to the lay person because I know words and concepts somewhat more than them, but Flerfs just throw around things that any lay person can easily and instantly refuse, sounding not smart at all.
@@Soapy-chan That's why I only occasionally listen to people like that Witsit nitwit! He tries to stuff as many big words as he can, in every sentence, that I don't think HE even understands himself!
The people in this vid are... just.... meh...
"Come in here for top shelf arguments" 😅
Quote of the year?
Definitely got an F on his IQ test.
Proving the shape of the earth with an argument is so fucking stupid
that made me l00000l
@@CeezGeez laugh out out out out out out out out loud?
@@PhilJRose no. i clearly only L’d twice and 0’d five times
l00000l not l00000000l
15 degrees per hour drift... Thanks Bob.
RIP
I kept thinking the same thing....
I was actually a bit broken up when I found out he passed away... ngl
We all used to listen and laugh at the "debates" 5-6 years ago at our shop... (the originals) like him, Jeran, Morgile, etc..
Whata bunch of bonehead grifters! It was funny though! Can't believe this nonsense is still around like this! lmfao people are dumb!
Classic
"Top shelf arguments"
"Well, if you take away the sun and if you then take away the earth, can you still spin around in space? Yes? There! Proved....something!"
I used to be a flat earther (no joke). Had myself so fooled into it that I thought dinosaurs never existed as well.
I'm really proud of you for being able to get yourself out of that
I believe you may have been skeptic about some things, but true flattards cannot and will not change their mind nomatter what.
I’m proud of you buddy. It takes real strength and courage and honesty to admit you were wrong.
WTF does the existence of dinosaurs have to do with the shape of the earth?
@
when you associate yourself with the flat earth propaganda you find yourself digging into the hole more; which includes dinosaurs not ever existing.
The formula he keeps talking about on the Gleason map is used to CONVERT distances from a flat projection map to actual distances on a fucking GLOBE.
They are too dumb to realise that.
Yup. He literally conceded the debate without knowing he conceded the debate…💀
“I take on 20 flat earthers”
This is the content i want on TH-cam!
Keep it up.
20 flerfers = 1/2 a brain so eric will be fine
@@CeezGeez True.
In an argument, right?
@@braedenmclean5304 😳
@@CeezGeez they say 1 jedi is equal to 100 battle droid
It's astounding that these people think they're way smarter than all the scientists that have ever lived, but don't understand the simplest of things... 😂
The only thing that you need to know about flat earthers is demonstrated in this conversation. Eric asked about the fact that locations on the same meridian line grow farther apart as they approach the equator from the northern hemisphere but then grow closer together as they move away from the equator in the southern hemisphere. Flat earth disproved. Full stop. Their response? To immediately change the subject (talking about what longitude is), not answer the question, and repeatedly lie about the subject (longitude was first developed with a round earth model and a geographic location of Alexandria as 0 degrees). So in other word they run away from positive disproof, lie, obfuscate and bluster. Typical...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitude
This is exactly what happens in every conversation I have with flerfs. I bring up star trails in the southern hemisphere and they respond with "Well, why does Polaris stay in one position forever if we're moving so fast through space?" Not only is their script factually wrong but they cannot have any conversation about anything outside of their script.
They're obscuring the argument. I think they're making some historical argument referring to the Royal Society or Navy determining how longitudinal degrees were originally at the Greenwich Observatory, they made sure 0 degrees went through Greenwich.
“I take on 20 Flat Earthers” has got to be the weirdest porn title I’ve ever heard
they're experts at being super condescending while also being super wrong
And super stupid.
Flat earthers are even worse than young earthers, both are confident and wrong but flat earthers are just the bottom of the barrel, I can't stand them
he said “CHATGPT this shit” well i did and it said literally EVERYTHING they have said is a lie 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It depends on how you create the prompt.
Next time, ask ChatGPT, "As a flat earther who is ignorant of most of science and deny anything I don't understand and is too stubborn to accept any opposing facts, would you say that latitudes are based on the position of the sun?"
If you do this, ChatGPT will stay say the flerf is wrong.
chatgpt says “Longitude lines themselves are not based on the sun, but the method historically used to determine longitude involves the sun and timekeeping.” and also says “Yes, you can find your longitude and latitude without relying on the sun, moon, or stars. Here are some modern methods” so he’s LYINGGGGGGG
Who's the angry flerf w the marbles in his mouth?
India007. You can see his name light up in the chat on the left when he talks
@Farce13 he has to be an incel.
@@hailsagan8886 His mother is his sister.
Sounds like the flat earth version of darth dawkins. Flerth dawkins
@@freddan6fly
No, his sister is his mother.
I love that this dude is like OKAY BUT IF YOU DELETE THE EARTH! OKAY BUT IF YOU DELETE THE STARS!
Wanted to hear what he would do to locate his longitude with nothing in the sky
People are not dumb because they are flerfs, they are flerfs because they are dumb. This group is living example of this truth.
Man they really fell apart when u brought up the "south gets closer" thing. All they could say was "are you sure?"
"Where's your proof that you get closer when you go from north to south" like that is just geometry and logic
FLERFS " interrupt interrupt interrupt"
Flerf talks and Peterson corrects what they're saying
Flerf- " don't Interrupt me!"
Morons
9:44 LMAO I've never heard a pick-me flerfer before
Jeranjism was kind of a pick me flerf at first, I remember him hanging around the late Rob Skiba(RIP) acting like a puppy following Rob around.
They definitely would have claimed victory on that exchange
No views in 1 minute.
Bro fell off the spinning water ball.
(JK Love the content)
at my peak we were getting at least one view...
@@planetpeterson2824biggest fall off of 2024
@@planetpeterson2824 you deserve the fall off for the Gif statement lol
The equation of time is just a computation between mean solar time and apparent solar time. The measurements it is based on are derived from a spherical Earth.
Not gonna lie....you looked bad in this one Peterson...."jif" will not be forgotten or forgiven ;]
28:30 They are 100% wrong. You can absolutely create a system of latitude and longitude on a map using whatever criteria you want without ever seeing a sun for it.
I can't believe these guys invoke the haversine formula. Do they NOT know what that is? It is LITERALLY for measurements of distances on a SPHERE. They are using globe math.
Also, none of them can do celestial navigation without invoking the sphere. The celestial navigation almanac is explicitly ground positions on a globe earth.
Using globe math for the Gleason map, pretending the Gleason map is their model, but then rejecting thr Gleason map when it doesn't work lmao
@@jonc1733 These guys NEVER want to provide their model of the earth. They just know that the globe is wrong, just because they don't understand basic science.
@@ChallengeYourBeliefs was really hoping Peterson would ask ehat model they use. Would be a good starting point in all his flerf debates so they can't run away from it
They are so amazed that lat & longitude can be extended into the sky, but they don't stop to wonder why "they chose" 15°/hr for meridians rather than say 10° or 60°.
It's because a circle has 360° and a day has 24 hours so it works out to 15°/hr.
"If the sky was black you couldn't devise a grid system! It's just not possible." - OK there sparky. 🙄
A circle still has 360° even in the dark.
saddest thing is that there's a discord channel with Gawd knows how many flerfs
They're still only about 1% of the population thankfully.
if the longitude were dictated by the suns movement then wouldn’t it be different every day or at least change seasonally ?
It would be different every minute. Every second too but that requires a higher degree of precision. But the lines of longitude would be moving across the surface of the earth at... Wait for it... 15 degrees per hour. Thanks Bob
@@Farce13
I don't believe. It would take ALL day to figure that out.
Besides, only a flerfer would sit looking at the sun, like our teacher's told us not to. It might explain addled thinking because they stay out at night wondering where the light has gone. ;)
God bless Planet Peterson! I hope you do well through patreon and superchats because the patience you exercise with these idiots is super-human
It’s so not “J I F”.
I will fight and die on this hill.
When your argument gets to 'Yeah, but what if you deleted the earth? Then you'd have no coordinates!'...
22:00 - Who is the TODDLER talking here? If you can’t have a DISCUSSION without being all emotional and acting like a child, you SHOULDN’T be in a discussion!
Once again, I’ll give Eric huge kudos for being so patient with this baby. I honestly would NOT be able to spend 30 seconds talking to a guy who acts like a little girl and just rages at EVERY point!!
I discovered your channel some weeks ago. I watched some of your content and this one is special. These people are not dumb or idiot, they're in deep denial and that is so sad to here through the entire video.
I smell some darth dawkins padawans
Regarding determining the latitude and longitude without any celestial references such as sun, moon, or stars, you could use a Foucault pendulum and time.
Or a gyro compass
22:00 word salad
27:20 you can't see polaris on the south pole, only posible in a globe
It’s not pronounced “jiff”.
GIF stands for graphics interchange format.
Do you think “graphics” is pronounced like “jer-aphics”?
While I agree with you that the "jiff" pronunciation is stupid, Steve Wilhite (the creator of the GIF image format) chose that pronunciation to make a play off of the peanut butter brand. While it *is* the official/correct pronunciation, you won't catch me saying it like that either.
@@1989pacmaniacwhat a jiffy we’re in.
Echo chambers of flerfs are a dangerous location. Imagine sounding wrong confidently. 😢
He said quality flat earth arguments. Thats hilarious
Are they just bouncing around to different points hoping to catch you in a mistake so they can say "Aha! So erf flat!"??
that's ALWAYS what they do. 'HURR DURR DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT WEBSITE USES GROUND-BASED TELEMETRY TO CALCULATE ZENITH ANGLES HAHAHAHAHAHAHA GLOBERS ARE SO STUPID"
They love to interrupt and then cry when they're interrupted. And then they like to interrupt your explanation to ask a different question and cry that your running away
Funny how when Red's Rhetoric filmed the sun through the entire day from sunrise to sunset including solar noon, WITH a proper solar filter on, the sun did NOT change in angular size. Imagine that.
The 13 pixels thing is quite strange. That means that the sun changes size in a very negligible way. Far less than what would be expected on the flerf. It would have to be drastically reduced in size in order for their plurality of models to be considered viable
You go Planet!
Nice example of flerf BS.
5 : 33 "What happens is the temperature difference causes refraction, right, because you have a temperature gradient. OK, so this is well known that if you heat something up till it's red hot or glowing hot, that it'll appear bigger than it actually is. OK, so the sun is pretty hot, right?"
I like how when you being up the point of 2 people travelling south in the southern hemisphere, they immediately start to pretend that the flat earth model they always use isn't the one they use. Then they want to argue what meridians are without acknowledging that meridians DIVERGE on their model.
So the heat of the sun makes it look the same size as it moves away from us? How hot is the moon then?
He looked at images of the sun at different times and counted the pixels to compare size? Lmao the size would change drastically if you zoomed in or out even a tiny bit. Thats like measuring the size of an object with a ruler against the image on a monitor 😂
The sun dictating the earth's longitude legitimately made me lose brain cells
Wait I swear one of them sounds exactly like that ken who went to complain to the guys who repaired his phone saying brown rice wouldve fixed it from penguinz0s video
They do know the Gleason map is a distorted globe right?
That assumes the can read the text in the border of the map that explains what projection it is.
Your first argument about moving s below the equator was all that was actually needed. Everything after that is just them doing sofistry moving the goal posts and willfully misunderstand even the simplest concept. And they are kinda good at that. I give em that.
"you are presupposing that everything in the sky should behave the same way"
I mean... if like 99.9999999% of what is in the sky behaves the same way, why would I NOT presuppose that the sun and moon are not an exception? Like... HUH?
This is a perfect example of how clueless flerfs are on simple geometry... 🤣🤣🤣
This is something even a 5th grader would not have an issue in understanding...
WTH do Flerfers actually want? If tomorrow everyone on the planet lost their minds and agreed with them, what then? What’s the end game?
At around the 22:00 mark. You can actually find your latitude, and if it's in the northern, or southern hemisphere with the help of a Foucault Pendulum.
They hate the Foucault pendulum and go out of their way to misunderstand what it means.
Or with the help of a ring laser gyroscope, like used in Airplanes.
35:00 he clearly thinks longitude is latitude, there you should ask him to explain which is which
Yeah that was really frustrating to listen to.
I can't even use any of the proper medical terms for these people, because U-Tub threatened to ban me.
Lol so let me get this straight... The sun stays the same size all day, which means it's not moving much. Then suddenly at sunset it accelerates wildly?
Do they even realize they're kinda proving a round earth if they coordinated with people in other time zones? East coast would "observe the sun moving super fast suddenly", meanwhile the guy at the west coast wouldn't see any size change...
The angular size of the Sun doesn't change by 13%, it changes by a just few percent from aphelion to perihelion (over the course of a year).
The 13% is the angular size change of the moon from aphelion to perihelion (over the course of a month).
I guess he think one "thing in the sky" is the same as "another thing in the sky".
"A fifteen-degree per hour drift."
Thanks Bob!
Every single one of them sound exactly like flerfers
"I'm in GMT+1, where am I?"
Well that depends on the time of the year. The UK is at GMT+1 half of the year, it is at GMT+0 the other half.
In (northern) winter GMT+1 is CET. So that is between 10W to 30E (west most part of Spain to east most part for Norway).
In (nothern) winter GMT is from 18W to 26E ( west of Western Sahara tp east of C.A.R.).
If the Sun sets these time zones, how can they overlap in this way?
9:52 The irony is so sweet its almost too much to palette
Alpha Veritas complaining about top shelf arguments is a top shelf argument.
I love how Flerfs use the fact that they don’t have one settled upon model to all answer questions differently. Prime example….
One guy says the sun gets smaller, it’s just that refraction makes it look bigger (because it’s hot like a piece of iron???? 😂😂😂)
Meanwhile, the next guy claims….no, the sun actually does appear smaller in the sky. He claims it’s 14% smaller and you can measure it everytime.
But, the two guys don’t seem to disagree with each other. They only disagree with Planet Peterson
Hi I would like a "so the question is" or "in relation to what?" shirt please
That was like spending 45 minutes in an insane asylum.
We don't use GMT anymore, we use UTC. For my life, we have used satellites to locate 0 deg, it is 100m away from the telescope method because of inaccuracies in determining zenith. The telescopes at the Greenwich observatory used star transits of the eye piece. Not the sun or they would have to have found a new astronomer after two observations.
You had me at the thumb nail Eric.
I mean... they're very creative! They should write scifi books!
Sees the title: 🤩
Less than an hour: 😢
The sun appears squished in height near the horizon due to refraction. However the width of the sun does not change. There are many videos out there that show this.
wow, 13%, I mean, I am pretty sure they need it to shrink 100%, cuz there ain't any sun at night.
Some top shelf arguments there. 😅
“i fuckin need a picture or somethin” 😭😭😭
These guys are SO wrong. But they are SO confident of their erroneous understanding.
Cause their in a group chat where they just stroke each other's ego about flash info lmao
Wrong and strong
I've always thought it really neat that the refractive index of Earth's atmosphere is almost exactly the Sun's width. If you see the Sun resting on the horizon, it's already set 🤯
" if we're in a good faith discussion im going to keep interrupting you"
Yea thats good faith sure dude 🤨
so what makes the point where it starts at 0° or 360° who made that line up if it was not us? where does the circle of the 360° start?
Greenwich
lol omfg. Should have just drawn a picture. This is a simple geometry problem that is true on a circle or sphere 😂
They don't accept it even if you literally show them why what they believe is impossible in reality, and the shape of the world can only be a sphere.
@@BillCoz but they have a map! And if you just divide by the square root of the angle of the radius and multiple by the distance to Polaris, then you actually get a shorter distance as you move further out from the center. So it makes perfect sense!
@ChickenHunter08 but they reject their map when they are cornered. "Well it might look like that but with math it actually isnt" lmaoo
Morons: oh yeah we the real flat earthers out here
Kids started getting real quiet when they realized their mate doomed their point with the angle thing
They were the quality flat earthers? Lol
Globlers anf Flerfers are now my favorite adjectives.
How come wvery flat earther that rejects thr "Gleason map" as thier model, never says what their model is?
Because they don't like the consequences of their model. That's why every flerf likes to act as if they each have their own unique model but refuse to elaborate on it
They can’t make a model that fits reality, so they stopped trying. Now they just go with “huh-uh” as their strategy.
As a planet, is he flat or round?
My dad's pretty deep into flat earth and etc.. I thought his inability to see reason was because of his psychosis diagnosis. I see now that it goes deeper.
It took 40 minutes for these goofballs to aggressively ignore basic geometry
Top tier flers is crazy
Hot metal actually increases in size compared to a cold piece, so it doesn’t just look bigger, it is bigger. The sun is not a hot piece of metal, believe it or not
"I want to talk about a different topic so you are running away when you want to talk about the current topic"
I was wondering how long until you came across this particular group of basement dwellers.
I'm glad I left that server. These guys are always so touchy and batshit.
Da Bears
The flerfs were talking about celestial coordinate system that is generally used to get positions of celestial objects, such as stars. While that can be mapped to Earth's longitude and latitude, forming an *ecliptic* longitude and latitude, it is not same as *geographic* longitude and latitude. Geographical (that we generally use) and ecliptical (used in astronomy) coordinate systems are different things, but both agree with each other. Flerfs here are trying by fallacy to say that they are same thing. Geographical coordinate system doesn't use Sun, while ecliptical coordinate system can use Sun (but not limited to it).
This whole thing sounds like a South Park episode😂
Wow, scary. Humanity is so spoiled, I'm embarrassed.
If we can turn stupid into a power source flerfs could power the world with extra power to spare.
Well, that didn't make my headache any better.
Flerf... not even once.
Hmm, I'm having difficulty wrapping my head around what peterson pointed out too. Could anyone break it down for me?