On the GunCO spreadsheet, I see the comment: "Suffers from hitscan AoE characteristics (no MS, but gets CO)." Could someone elaborate on what this means?
Hope DE will have time to look at some other old and forgotten abilities. This new change to Bladestorm doesn't really break anything, the game is already enough broken as it is. But it allows Ash players to enjoy some of that ninja-jumping gameplay that we haven't seen for a long time, Ash's been kinda all about shuriken armor strip disruption nukes and invisibility for the last few years.
nah bro, you could easily play bs builds before that. there are builds, who can scale the slash pretty crazy. The main problem with this ability persists: many boss enemies are not targetable by the skill and no damage of the world will remedy that with the slow animations on bs.
To be honest, Ash is my main but I no longer use him cause his 4th ability. I’m sure they made him better but I wish the kept blade-storm the way it use to be with out having to look at each enemy to mark them. I wish they at least gave an option to hold to do OG ash blade storm then tap for this new version. I know you can use the third to join in but it’s not the same. I don’t wanna look for everyone, it was a a dope nuking ability too.
So have we thought why DE broke Ash? Irrespective of whether it was intention or not, which mechanic specifically about Blade Storm did they change? Perhaps in preparation for one of the abilities of the next Warframe? It might give us insight into how that's going to work - I don't recall what his abilities were going to be
I noticed that DE messed something up in the past few days. Dot damage is horrible, I first noticed it with glaive prime and khora. Ash's bladestorm does damage, but not as much as it should. So far, I have done more than 1m damage, and now 380k maximum. And there are no patchnotes for it, that's the problem.
Have you tried marked for death with fatal teleport? I wish that ability had a bit more range and would do a bit more but you can basically insta kill all enemy’s around a target
I find reave slotted over his 2nd paired with arcane trickery gives me a way to turn into smoke and target opponents while marking them with his 4th . Blinding reave also helps keep enemies from movies occasionally
can someone please tell me if the vulcan blitz + blade storm combo still works? I cant seem to understand how on earth he's able to proc it after a blade storm kill, otherwise this build is OUTDATED and DOES NOT WORK anymore EDIT: NVM IT WORKS STILL! I'm hoping this will be good against murmur's with flat hp.
Question: if you helminth Dessication onto Ash and add the augment, would killing enemies with Bladestorm trigger the augment, thus creating a huge army of sand shadows in a near instant?
i main ashe and i teste in symolacrum and dmg mods on meele doesnt work, always doing smae dmg numbers with different weapons and mods. also used finisher mods and it doesnt works
Isn't arcane ultimatum objectively better than arcane guardian? 1200 armor for 45s instead of 900 on for 20. (trigger is on finisher instead of on damaged, but blade storm does trigger it)
I’d like to think one can’t go wrong with arcane trickery and arcane reaper health and armor while staying invisible seems like a decent way to stay alive
hey I'm wondering if anyone can help me out, i have been doing my own testing with this to try figure out how much damage my clones do using breach surge the same way as the video however while i do still hit one million damage i have also run into occasions where i only do around 400,000 damage, I'm running almost identical stats and mods on ash and my Innodem the only mod i lack is a prime bane mod that i replaced with finishing touch and quickening with spoiled strike. I've also found that combo hasn't affected my damage at all either. I'm currently testing on lvl 100 corrupted heavy gunners.
This is an opinion some ppl won`t like but i`ll say it anyway. Ash needs a revisit and it doesn't matter what anyone else says, stats and ppl`s actions proves he needs one. I say Ash needs a revisit and ppl say "he`s perfect" and get upset with me but he`s not, Ash has issues most ppl don`t know about. The reason being because; · People use two of his augments and helminth 24/7 to the point where they completely ignore the issues of the abilities and act like they are ok. · The way people use him and talk about him ("oh he can use seeking shuriken to strip armour and can kill lvl 100+ with bs) they can`t see his issues in a general sense. Look at it this way you have Ash - warframe and you have Ryu - ninja gaiden, if you put Ash in ninja gaiden he would be great probably be even better than Ryu on the other hand if you put Ryu in warframe he will have trouble in that setting. I was playing Ash and their is something I realised... Ash can`t deal with hordes of enemies efficiently that`s why most ppl won`t play him. The most effective (fun) way to play him is to play stealthy, he can actually be fun if you play him this way. but wf is a for the most part a horde game and Ash just can`t deal with them so this and other issues with him he needs a revisit. I have put up a post on the warframe forums called: EVIDENCE OF WHY ASH NEEDS A REVISIT. It presents his issues with facts and stats and I give him a revisit that addresses his issues and makes him a much better warframe to play. Take a look and tell me what you think ON THE POST.
skill issue i have fun with the ash altho teleport got more bugged after the years thats it , nothing bad about his kit or gameplay . I remind you he oneshots eximus units effortless for not even 6 energy
@@0BLACKESTFUN0 The overall issue with Ash is that his abilities are inconsistent and his 4 has the most issues. If you read the post you will understand.
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ASH: DE Broke Him. Damage Cap Bladestorm.
th-cam.com/video/dRSejZ0zniQ/w-d-xo.html
0:00 Intro & Contexts
0:31 Vulcan Blitz Bladestorm
0:57 Bladestorm Animation Limitations
1:08 Today's Playstyle
1:26 Role of Vulcan Blitz
1:40 Brief Showcase of Vulcan Blitz
1:55 Bladestorm Changes & Mod Scaling
2:12 Bladestorm 3 Hit Mechanics - Clone Hits
2:54 Innate Melee Damage Damage Scaling
3:10 How To Fix Bladestorm
3:36 Why AoE Armor Strip/Terrify?
ASH BLADESTORM
4:18 Ash Build | Health-Tank AoE Bladestorm Nuke
4:46 Damage Mitigation + Playstyle
5:04 Terrify Subsume Slot
5:19 Duration Dump Stat
5:45 Energy Economy
6:20 Focus School & Archon Shards
6:32 Alternative Modding & Options
7:07 DPS Rotations
7:26 Jat Kittag Build | Vulcan Blitz Bladestorm
8:06 Companion Build
8:25 Conclusion
On the GunCO spreadsheet, I see the comment: "Suffers from hitscan AoE characteristics (no MS, but gets CO)." Could someone elaborate on what this means?
@@jxfirerubyxiu9631 It means multishot does nothing for that damage component on the weapon. But that GunCO still scales up the damage.
If bladestorm clone damage is based on melee damage, would kullervos helminth be a good sub for his own teleport? Would it affect the clones?
Hope DE will have time to look at some other old and forgotten abilities. This new change to Bladestorm doesn't really break anything, the game is already enough broken as it is. But it allows Ash players to enjoy some of that ninja-jumping gameplay that we haven't seen for a long time, Ash's been kinda all about shuriken armor strip disruption nukes and invisibility for the last few years.
nah bro, you could easily play bs builds before that. there are builds, who can scale the slash pretty crazy. The main problem with this ability persists: many boss enemies are not targetable by the skill and no damage of the world will remedy that with the slow animations on bs.
Savage silence + blade storm is a very viable build for solo run. But now you can drop silence for other subsume
Blade storm was plenty viable before this change.
To be honest, Ash is my main but I no longer use him cause his 4th ability. I’m sure they made him better but I wish the kept blade-storm the way it use to be with out having to look at each enemy to mark them. I wish they at least gave an option to hold to do OG ash blade storm then tap for this new version. I know you can use the third to join in but it’s not the same. I don’t wanna look for everyone, it was a a dope nuking ability too.
Insane, you are truly the goat of warframe builds
"The other" jesus christ ash...
... I'll be honest, "health tank Ash (with an armor strip subsume)" was not on my 2023 Warframe build bingo card.
Warframe... is indeed... a really... REALLY... Wild ride
I used to have a marked for death build for ash even after nerf, and now i have a use to use ash once again, thanks azn
The next build: Ash transcends reality and kills the man in the wall
Oh hell yea this makes me get excited
strain mod set is overlooked too since it can give some nice crit damage for melee and sustain for the warframe
The least stealthy Ash, love it
and here I thought arca titron was crazy, this is a whole new level of crazy
So have we thought why DE broke Ash? Irrespective of whether it was intention or not, which mechanic specifically about Blade Storm did they change? Perhaps in preparation for one of the abilities of the next Warframe? It might give us insight into how that's going to work - I don't recall what his abilities were going to be
It happened around the styanax update, I'd have guesses if it happened from duviri update but apparently it's older so no clue how they borked it
Love ash but I prefer the MIGHTY SEER storm
I noticed that DE messed something up in the past few days.
Dot damage is horrible, I first noticed it with glaive prime and khora.
Ash's bladestorm does damage, but not as much as it should. So far, I have done more than 1m damage, and now 380k maximum. And there are no patchnotes for it, that's the problem.
Have you tried marked for death with fatal teleport? I wish that ability had a bit more range and would do a bit more but you can basically insta kill all enemy’s around a target
I find reave slotted over his 2nd paired with arcane trickery gives me a way to turn into smoke and target opponents while marking them with his 4th . Blinding reave also helps keep enemies from movies occasionally
Now just let us teleport without a target
Wait, why not just use Arcane Trickery? Does it have some weird mechanic that doesn't work with Ash or is it just comfort?
Thats insane
can someone please tell me if the vulcan blitz + blade storm combo still works? I cant seem to understand how on earth he's able to proc it after a blade storm kill, otherwise this build is OUTDATED and DOES NOT WORK anymore
EDIT: NVM IT WORKS STILL! I'm hoping this will be good against murmur's with flat hp.
Maybe I didn't catch it, but why not opt for shieldgating instead of facetanking?
marks for death ninja
Question: if you helminth Dessication onto Ash and add the augment, would killing enemies with Bladestorm trigger the augment, thus creating a huge army of sand shadows in a near instant?
does not work on ash 4 cause it technically not u doing the finisher
god i fucking wish
Wasnt Savage Silence the way to go with Ash? And then building combo multiplier?
yes WAS
i main ashe and i teste in symolacrum and dmg mods on meele doesnt work, always doing smae dmg numbers with different weapons and mods. also used finisher mods and it doesnt works
This video is a follow-up from this one about Ash's Bladestorm changes:
th-cam.com/video/dRSejZ0zniQ/w-d-xo.html
wouldnt arcane ultimatum work better than arcane gaurdian in this build?
Did they nerf this? Tried this last month and it basically one shots a lvl 185 sp heavy gunner now it doesnt kill them with the whole 3 hit.
It was a bug,gotta return to old methods of boosting damage
Isn't arcane ultimatum objectively better than arcane guardian? 1200 armor for 45s instead of 900 on for 20. (trigger is on finisher instead of on damaged, but blade storm does trigger it)
Would be, I forgot about it
I’d like to think one can’t go wrong with arcane trickery and arcane reaper health and armor while staying invisible seems like a decent way to stay alive
I'm curious if you can make a build with any stealthy warframe with a dagger finnisher build of sorts
i mean you can but unless you dont have marked for death u aint doing a lot
I might just use this build only because i can look at my fashion
There is this arcane that gives you armor on finisher, why did you not take that one instead of guardian?
prob not maxed
What best riven stats for jat kittag?? For this setup??
i guess melee dmg attack speed finisher dmg not really needed tho
Still waiting for Nehza chakrum to get exhaulted melee mod buffs.
hey I'm wondering if anyone can help me out, i have been doing my own testing with this to try figure out how much damage my clones do using breach surge the same way as the video however while i do still hit one million damage i have also run into occasions where i only do around 400,000 damage, I'm running almost identical stats and mods on ash and my Innodem the only mod i lack is a prime bane mod that i replaced with finishing touch and quickening with spoiled strike. I've also found that combo hasn't affected my damage at all either. I'm currently testing on lvl 100 corrupted heavy gunners.
Rumbled Atlas - exists and making sad noises
What if DE also make Hydroid's ult as pseudo exalted weapon.
Then it would be just like blade storm. It does millions of damage but it's slow so its still kinda meh. But this will probably get nerfed anyway.
bro i had the idea of it making copies of your weapons
Always finding new ways to break the game
Has anyone tried Reave out
Holly shot that’s a lot of aoe
Honestly we need galvanized mods for melee...
no we do not
This is an opinion some ppl won`t like but i`ll say it anyway. Ash needs a revisit and it doesn't matter what anyone else says, stats and ppl`s actions proves he needs one.
I say Ash needs a revisit and ppl say "he`s perfect" and get upset with me but he`s not, Ash has issues most ppl don`t know about.
The reason being because;
· People use two of his augments and helminth 24/7 to the point where they completely ignore the issues of the abilities and act like they are ok.
· The way people use him and talk about him ("oh he can use seeking shuriken to strip armour and can kill lvl 100+ with bs) they can`t see his issues in a general sense.
Look at it this way you have Ash - warframe and you have Ryu - ninja gaiden, if you put Ash in ninja gaiden he would be great probably be even better than Ryu on the other hand if you put Ryu in warframe he will have trouble in that setting.
I was playing Ash and their is something I realised...
Ash can`t deal with hordes of enemies efficiently that`s why most ppl won`t play him. The most effective (fun) way to play him is to play stealthy, he can actually be fun if you play him this way. but wf is a for the most part a horde game and Ash just can`t deal with them so this and other issues with him he needs a revisit.
I have put up a post on the warframe forums called:
EVIDENCE OF WHY ASH NEEDS A REVISIT.
It presents his issues with facts and stats and I give him a revisit that addresses his issues and makes him a much better warframe to play.
Take a look and tell me what you think ON THE POST.
skill issue i have fun with the ash altho teleport got more bugged after the years thats it , nothing bad about his kit or gameplay . I remind you he oneshots eximus units effortless for not even 6 energy
@@0BLACKESTFUN0 The overall issue with Ash is that his abilities are inconsistent and his 4 has the most issues. If you read the post you will understand.
@@vexicution5533 i think ash is on the greater side if you compare him to loki wich radial disarm trash mobs that you anyway oneshot.
@@0BLACKESTFUN0 Just read the post and you will understand.
Whose idea was this build
This one was mine
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