Used to be much more chaotic before DE. Nomad lobbys were usually going all random which you don't have here anymore with the queue. So you would need to adapt entirely given the civ you ended up with. Plus the fact that two players could actually build their tcs next to each other leading to tc wars. Or Persian douche possibility. I had one game where I would be in a tc war while being Persians, obviously winning it cuz of that then finding and douching the second player. Which won us the game. Another thing is the change that dockworkers can fish using the dock, which made food income a lot easier in the end and whatever you were doing more smooth. No treaty so dock vils could end up fighting each other You see, all in all a ton more messy, tho nomad is still quite fun and probably more fair due to ppl being able to pick their civ and not ending up with huns when unlucky
If the Spanish are able to build faster TCs with their bonus, I feel like the Sicilians shouldn’t have their bonus completely nerfed for their first TC. Maybe reduced from 100% faster, but still being present.
The Problem is how broken the 100% are (75 Seconds with just one villager, 64 with 2, which yields between 3 and 4 extra villagers) and how changing the numbers for one mode is very clunky software engineering wise. While you can just hardcode that the first Towncenter doesnt count, which doesnt affect other gamemodes where it already is standing. So from a programming point of view it makes a lot of sense.
I would do it the other way round, nerf the spanish building speed for the first tc. Spanish alone killed nomad Tg for me. I used to love it when playing lobby random civs, but on the ladder everyone picks spanish and goes fc castle drop. I've even had games in which both my opponents were spanish (I play mostly 2v2)
Man, this is just the best channel. I don't even play that much aoe2 (in fact, only bought it after watching so many of your content). Congratulations!
I only played maybe 2 hours of AoE2 in my life and never played anything else from that franchise and I still watch every single video of him for the last 4 years now or so lol. It's great ASMR and mathematics.
Hey SotL, are you thinking of continuing the Through the Ages series with the expansions? I imagine I'm not the only one interested in how the Meso-Americans changed throughout the patches
Hey SOTL, it's important to note that these WR stats shouldnt be relied on heavily when civ picking is a thing. It has the tendency of moving the picked civs towards 50%WR for a variety of reasons. This has been shown to be a phenomenon in a simulated round robin with a fixed win matrix. There's a link to this in the ageofstatistics site's method section.
I was actually surprised to find out that Italians actually have fully upgraded cavalier and hussar. They also have extra armor for their archers available. The only buff I could really see that wouldn't be too much would be making their age ups cost 20% less instead of 15% less. That's 400 food vs 425 to advance to feudal. Not too shabby.
@@SIGNOR-G I think Siege Engineers might be oppressive. They already have a pretty good push with their imp into bombard cannon play when the siege is backed by ranged units (and eventually fully upgraded hussars). It's really difficult to deal with. Their bombard cannons are already 15% cheaper, and they have a super open tech tree. Honestly, I think Italians are underappreciated. It's a good civ. I even like it on Arabia.
So the Nomad map is basically AoE Civilization where you start the game choosing your start rather than having it chosen for you. Sounds like a very fun map that allows for more player freedom than most if not all other maps.
If you place your base between enemy bases, I find it’s best to just pull a Lyx and be as annoying as possible so there people around you get a delayed castle age and then your team wins
I usually play the regular open and closed land maps with friends or alone, but this video in particular spiked my interest in Nomad. Gonna try and convince them to give this map a chance haha
Dravidians team bonus of +5 population from Docks is a game changer in team games, I think if you combine it with Vikings cheaper docks then everyone can get a fishing boat out as if they were Malians or Persians? Not sure actually but that early wood and time saving is nice, and generally you want to have two docks in Feudal to get fire ships out
Having played a few matches of Nomad against a team that has a Dravidian player, that civ is extremely good in the setting, definitely would hit top 10, the free wood and extra potent fish boom has led to them almost always hitting the next ages before any other civ and then it snowballs from there. Granted this is a 1100 elo take, so take it with a grain of salt, but I think that 6th place win rate is extremely valid.
As someone whose exposure to the game is primarily TH-cam videos, I'm curious -- is a TC required for building lumber camps? If not, I feel like it might be a worthwhile strategy as Huns to drop a lumber camp next to the first treeline in view, and then have one village scout about for a good TC site while the lumber deficit is being made up (& the dock/fishing boat are being built), provided the camp costs less than a town center. Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part that a more optimal placement for that first TC can offset being behind on villager production from the getgo, and given that I'm some rando third party making observations, this is likely an avenue that has already been thought of, explored, and discarded for one reason or another. ...I _am_ asking anyway, though. ^-^;
Honestly, i kinda tired facing spanish over and over again on nomad map (and the african one with lakes)... and well, now i see why people taking it. Probably it's the hightest percentage winrate overall in AOE2 if we exclude specific matchups. And I really feel bad about sicilians since their bonus doesnt apply to 1st tc but spanish does :(. Btw Persians at 8 place in 1200+ elo games can be a consequences since they facing spanish more often -> without any monk's tech tree or good archery line they suffer heavily in this matchup.
@@Shegin yeah its probably fair they might still bé good given faster built castles and good únique unit that winrate along with t'he playrate despite t'hem rarely Bering used anywhere else would likely bé a good change,
One idea I thought about was to change the resource differences for Huns, Persians, Lithuanians, Mayans, and Chinese to also only apply once the TC is up. This would buff Huns, nerf Persians by a few seconds, probably not do much for Chinese (who don't need the house anyway), and do nothing of substance to Mayans and Lithuanians
Could be interesting to add a category for civs that would historically do well in these kinds of situations. It would mostly be qualitative theory crafting but it could provide an interesting perspective on how the game is balanced vs how it’s designed with historical differences at least somewhat in mine
What seems unfortunate is that Elo rates player's skill than the civilization itself, I feel some civilizations could qualify as "underrated" just because the number of players skilled to play and win with those civs is not very high. But then I realize that AOE2 implies bonuses and tech trees and backs up a lot of the Elo rating system implemented in AOE2. Excellent analisys as always. Thanks for your content!
I noticed that you changed how you say feitoria, the first part is still a bit wrong (its fey-too-ria, not fey-duh-ria, Masmorra aoe said it right on his video in GL house before RBWL started) but its way better than how most people say
The Spaniards are very good at nomadic because of their construction bonus, although it is not a direct economic bonus, building fast is paramount, it is nomadic, be it houses, farms, the dock, even any building to protect yourself and put a fence around your area quickly. , saving you seconds and even minutes of collecting resources, and when you get to the castle, I say it again, fast building is very good to make a fast castle. Finally, the blacksmithing bonus is also good because if you find yourself in an area where there is no gold, you only farm wood and food and you get a lot of food, and there you have blacksmithing improvement.
When I could just play nomad in Vs my elo was 1400. Korea is one of the better civs for nomad due to the scouting. Korean villagers can see almost as far as a scout. So you have 1 villager walking the map and scouting in dark age. Your score will spike and sometimes people will quit just because of that. Once you find the other Tcs you rush with towers and follow with knights / rams. Also I advise dont build a dock first. If you play random which we did back in the zone days , you wind up with huns and build a dock first, you wont have wood for a TC. Basic start is all on wood and build fishing boats till you have 6 fish boats, then start taking your other food on land.
Will you revisit this is three-six months to see how this list influences player choices and if lower skill players choosing these civs will affect the rates
The nomad map has quite a lot of gold and especially a lot of stone, so the trade bonus of the Spanish civ is rather redundant. Mining gold is much more time and resources efficient than trade.
Mongol deathball is probably the best. When you got microable fast seige onagers backed by mangudai hussars and seige rams. What exactly are you gonna do
@@youcanthandlethetruth5433 There are many civs that once they get their late game comp in good numbers there isnt anything you can do...Koreans, Bohemians, Celts and many more...Mongols are a solid contender but I wouldnt say theyre top 3..
Yeah, I once built a dock with huns on a nomad map before building my town center, I rolled huns randomly ... I felt bad and my teammates were not amused :(
Team bonuses make a HUGE difference in nomad in team games. Woiuld be nice to make a list of best civs for team games. Viking cheaper docks, Dravidians free house etc. are critical in early game.
Idea for future vid (maybe April fools vid); "Top 10 Meme Teams" Civ team-ups that make funny, quirky or niche strategies and tactics work better... or at least, relatively better. Examples: - Celts with a Mongol ally to better steal sheep with their scout. - Saracens with Koreans/Incas where the Saracens use their market bonus to sling cheap stone to their tower-rushing ally. - Byzantines and Aztecs for Monks that can really make a difference in battle.
I always liked the Aztec, burmese, lithuanian, burgundian team. You find all the relics, give them to the lithuanian player, who in turn gets extra food and gold to crank out knights!
I have not played the nomad game mode much... But I see it as simply starting with villagers alone with no town center and maybe (not guaranteed) a scout.
SotL: "Saying the things that make a good nomad civ." Me: "Byzantines are my fave, but definitely not Byzantines, then." SotL: "Number 10, Byzantines." 🤯🤯🤯
dravidians are a monster civ on nomad especially in team nomad games , 4 guys have to colllect just 25 wood to build a fishing ship is like a pseudo persian or malier bonus for everyone.
Well not really. Its nice, but you're overselling it: The point of the Persian/Malian bonus is to have the fishing ship out before the TC is even finished. It doesn't really matter if your 1 or 25 wood short; what matters is that you loose easily 30s of fishing ship working time, which means you start with a lot more food and can send all your vills to wood for longer, resulting in fishing ship number 2 and 3 coming out quicker.
@@CG-eh6oe you are right in the speed advantage; what i meant with pseudo bonus/advantage was the ressources spared: 4 People spare 25 wood. 100 Wood combined are additional 1.3 Fishingboats. You have to have "it" on the field. but if everybody takes advantage of the bonus you will have more fishingboats than the enemies. optimal would be Dravidians combined with Persian =)
Hey Spirit - I don't know if you've come across MantisAoE's Civ concept videos yet, but if you haven't you should definitely check them out, lots of really cool ideas!
When I hear ''Nomad'' civs, I immediately think about Steppe tribe civs. Here is what I'd love to see in game. Nomadic architecture set for the Nomad civs, Mongols get Yurt houses and steppe Nomad architecture. Tartars + Cumans get Yurts for dark age houses and Huns too get steppe Nomad architecture. The Mongol Yurts should have less HP but also be much cheaper. With their Unique tech 'Nomads'' if their cheap , low HP Yurts goes down, then they need not create more. It will be perfect. Armenians should get the current Tatar extra Hill bonus damage in exchange for faster moving CA + Tatar, Mongol and Hun scouts have the ability to lame enemies hunt. (Scorched earth tactics)
Hello SOTL, i have an idea that might caight ur attention to make it a video, can u civer best civ combo to use in a SHARED TEAM BONUS MOD (such as burg + fr + pol + berb to make stupidly cheap but strong cav jn castke age), anyway, great content as always!!!
Free wheelbarrow is less important on water maps as you rely more on fish than farms in Feudal Age. The Vikings have the worst tech tree in the game which is probably why they don't do as well on Nomad as the other top civs. They do ok in TG Nomad I think, but they're still generally not a great civ after all the nerfs. I would take Malian infantry over Viking in most cases in TG. Berserkers are awesome when upgraded but not a realistic unit choice in most games.
I have an idea for a video, if every civ has every tech open for them, which civ will be the most op, just imagine all tech game but every civ still retain their civ bonus.
I like viet on nomad espesh in team games, wall up FC castle drop the enemy TC and right into rattan which counters archers is very strong. Cav no that big of a threat of you got the walls down.
I once placed and built a dock and a house as Huns in a ranked nomad game, had to build a lumber camp and chop my way to a TC. Ended up winning that one though. I love this map lol
Differences in elo are based on the probabilities of beating another player (it's what the formula is based on). Being 87 elo higher than someone else means you have a ~62% chance of beating them. Spanish have a 62% win rate, so being 87 elo higher than someone else in a mirror match, or playing Spanish against a generic civ who has the same rating as you, both should theoretically both set you up to win 62% of the time. It's one way to try to make the Spanish dominance more tangible, but could be applied to any civ's win rate using an Elo win rate calculator. wismuth.com/elo/calculator.html#system=tennis-men
I need help. I wanna install mods but i literally can't. I logged into xbox live, on the game and web subscribed to the mods but when I go to check in mods area ingame there's nothing. I also can't connect to multiplayer. It's confusing please help me understand. Is it possible to install and use mods for free?
I wonder what would be the better play in Nomad: I usually go for 2 galleys when I don't want to go too agressive on water. Just 2 galleys to snipe some fish, but fire galleys are better? It feels like fire galleys are better in the long run but they take longer to take out a fishing ship..
I always hear the point where galleys are better than fire ships is 4-5. You can micro and shoot them down. Since the purpose of nomad is usually to fast castle and switch to land, galleys are less often used. Never bring a galley to a land war.
Sicilian's team bonus is pretty good on nomad. You a lot of vision by having a transport ship do a lap of the map hugging the coast. This also helps you raid the fishing eco early,
Nomad is such an amazing gamemode , always such chaotic starts
I haven't played AoE2 in a while, but I always liked Nomad.
I agree; love the possibilities. My favorite mode
Used to be much more chaotic before DE. Nomad lobbys were usually going all random which you don't have here anymore with the queue. So you would need to adapt entirely given the civ you ended up with. Plus the fact that two players could actually build their tcs next to each other leading to tc wars. Or Persian douche possibility. I had one game where I would be in a tc war while being Persians, obviously winning it cuz of that then finding and douching the second player. Which won us the game.
Another thing is the change that dockworkers can fish using the dock, which made food income a lot easier in the end and whatever you were doing more smooth. No treaty so dock vils could end up fighting each other
You see, all in all a ton more messy, tho nomad is still quite fun and probably more fair due to ppl being able to pick their civ and not ending up with huns when unlucky
Megarandom is even better!
That reminds me that arguably the most influential nomad civilization of all time is still not in the game: The Arabs.
If the Spanish are able to build faster TCs with their bonus, I feel like the Sicilians shouldn’t have their bonus completely nerfed for their first TC. Maybe reduced from 100% faster, but still being present.
The Problem is how broken the 100% are (75 Seconds with just one villager, 64 with 2, which yields between 3 and 4 extra villagers) and how changing the numbers for one mode is very clunky software engineering wise. While you can just hardcode that the first Towncenter doesnt count, which doesnt affect other gamemodes where it already is standing.
So from a programming point of view it makes a lot of sense.
I would do it the other way round, nerf the spanish building speed for the first tc. Spanish alone killed nomad Tg for me. I used to love it when playing lobby random civs, but on the ladder everyone picks spanish and goes fc castle drop. I've even had games in which both my opponents were spanish (I play mostly 2v2)
no. Sicilians would be unfairly op
@@SC-mo6fs Yeah, nerfing both would make more sense. Maybe Spanish will get it soon in another update. The devs have paid attention to SoTL before!
@@SC-mo6fs It has been asked before, to make the Spanish building bonus kick in only after the first TC is built
Man, this is just the best channel.
I don't even play that much aoe2 (in fact, only bought it after watching so many of your content).
Congratulations!
I only played maybe 2 hours of AoE2 in my life and never played anything else from that franchise and I still watch every single video of him for the last 4 years now or so lol. It's great ASMR and mathematics.
I bought a disc of the old version a long time ago as a kid
I wish I still had it, I'm interested in it again
Hey SotL, are you thinking of continuing the Through the Ages series with the expansions? I imagine I'm not the only one interested in how the Meso-Americans changed throughout the patches
Second this.
Hey SOTL, it's important to note that these WR stats shouldnt be relied on heavily when civ picking is a thing. It has the tendency of moving the picked civs towards 50%WR for a variety of reasons. This has been shown to be a phenomenon in a simulated round robin with a fixed win matrix. There's a link to this in the ageofstatistics site's method section.
The Malians extra infantry pierce armour should be mentioned.... it allows you to fish boom into long swords and DELETE enemy TCs
Im glad to see Italians again so high in the ranking. Its a civ that could benefit with a little buff too.
I was actually surprised to find out that Italians actually have fully upgraded cavalier and hussar. They also have extra armor for their archers available. The only buff I could really see that wouldn't be too much would be making their age ups cost 20% less instead of 15% less. That's 400 food vs 425 to advance to feudal. Not too shabby.
@@jefffinkbonner9551 i would prefer that they gained siege engineers.
@@SIGNOR-G I think Siege Engineers might be oppressive. They already have a pretty good push with their imp into bombard cannon play when the siege is backed by ranged units (and eventually fully upgraded hussars). It's really difficult to deal with. Their bombard cannons are already 15% cheaper, and they have a super open tech tree.
Honestly, I think Italians are underappreciated. It's a good civ. I even like it on Arabia.
So the Nomad map is basically AoE Civilization where you start the game choosing your start rather than having it chosen for you. Sounds like a very fun map that allows for more player freedom than most if not all other maps.
It is my absolute favorite way to play it.
Is fun unless u realized u placed your base between all the enemy team
If you place your base between enemy bases, I find it’s best to just pull a Lyx and be as annoying as possible so there people around you get a delayed castle age and then your team wins
@@XTheLolX301 OH MAN that ALWAYS happen to me :( lol
Yes this mode is super fun
I usually play the regular open and closed land maps with friends or alone, but this video in particular spiked my interest in Nomad. Gonna try and convince them to give this map a chance haha
Byzantine for the sweet fires early game plus free town watch is useful if you have random houses everywhere
Byzantines never existed. I haven't seen them. Atheism wins again.
I would love to see a video about how the play rates are effected by these videos. That would be interesting
I always loved Sudden Death on Nomad. It became the go to map & mode for my group
SOTL cranking up civ map lists
I used to only play with Spanish coz they just feel so good once you get them going. :D
The goat uploads again, I see SOTL I like
Dravidians team bonus of +5 population from Docks is a game changer in team games, I think if you combine it with Vikings cheaper docks then everyone can get a fishing boat out as if they were Malians or Persians? Not sure actually but that early wood and time saving is nice, and generally you want to have two docks in Feudal to get fire ships out
Having played a few matches of Nomad against a team that has a Dravidian player, that civ is extremely good in the setting, definitely would hit top 10, the free wood and extra potent fish boom has led to them almost always hitting the next ages before any other civ and then it snowballs from there. Granted this is a 1100 elo take, so take it with a grain of salt, but I think that 6th place win rate is extremely valid.
Not needing to build that house right away and shore fishing instead is so huge
I love nomad and black forest, I'd play them over the other maps everytime.
I think maybe Byzantines are also a good pick because scouts are so popular, at least at lower elo, and the cheaper spearmen is really helpful.
nah its that skirms counter conqs
As someone whose exposure to the game is primarily TH-cam videos, I'm curious -- is a TC required for building lumber camps? If not, I feel like it might be a worthwhile strategy as Huns to drop a lumber camp next to the first treeline in view, and then have one village scout about for a good TC site while the lumber deficit is being made up (& the dock/fishing boat are being built), provided the camp costs less than a town center. Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part that a more optimal placement for that first TC can offset being behind on villager production from the getgo, and given that I'm some rando third party making observations, this is likely an avenue that has already been thought of, explored, and discarded for one reason or another.
...I _am_ asking anyway, though. ^-^;
Very interesting.
Thanks Spirit we always enjoy your videos. Maybe some gameplay on a nomad map? :)
Honestly, i kinda tired facing spanish over and over again on nomad map (and the african one with lakes)... and well, now i see why people taking it. Probably it's the hightest percentage winrate overall in AOE2 if we exclude specific matchups.
And I really feel bad about sicilians since their bonus doesnt apply to 1st tc but spanish does :(.
Btw Persians at 8 place in 1200+ elo games can be a consequences since they facing spanish more often -> without any monk's tech tree or good archery line they suffer heavily in this matchup.
If It applied sicilians would be even more oppresive than spanish, as they would have the strongest eco and strongest castle drops
@@magicasas4186 well, consider the winrate you can do vice versa decision and nerf 1st tc for spanish. At least for consistency.
@@Shegin yeah its probably fair they might still bé good given faster built castles and good únique unit that winrate along with t'he playrate despite t'hem rarely Bering used anywhere else would likely bé a good change,
@@magicasas4186 And Spanish would still be building their dock and house faster, which is still something.
Spanish #1 as a surprise to no one!
I don't even play the game, I just work on it. Your videos always help.
I do suspect Dravidians to really climb that list eventually.
One idea I thought about was to change the resource differences for Huns, Persians, Lithuanians, Mayans, and Chinese to also only apply once the TC is up. This would buff Huns, nerf Persians by a few seconds, probably not do much for Chinese (who don't need the house anyway), and do nothing of substance to Mayans and Lithuanians
The redemption joke about the Koreans was something that Nili would be envious of :D :D :D
Top AoE content, Spirit!
I did not expect the Spanish inquisition!
Great work as always.
Could be interesting to add a category for civs that would historically do well in these kinds of situations. It would mostly be qualitative theory crafting but it could provide an interesting perspective on how the game is balanced vs how it’s designed with historical differences at least somewhat in mine
What seems unfortunate is that Elo rates player's skill than the civilization itself, I feel some civilizations could qualify as "underrated" just because the number of players skilled to play and win with those civs is not very high. But then I realize that AOE2 implies bonuses and tech trees and backs up a lot of the Elo rating system implemented in AOE2.
Excellent analisys as always. Thanks for your content!
One of the most fun and Intense games I ever played was a nomad game last week
I noticed that you changed how you say feitoria, the first part is still a bit wrong (its fey-too-ria, not fey-duh-ria, Masmorra aoe said it right on his video in GL house before RBWL started) but its way better than how most people say
The Spaniards are very good at nomadic because of their construction bonus, although it is not a direct economic bonus, building fast is paramount, it is nomadic, be it houses, farms, the dock, even any building to protect yourself and put a fence around your area quickly. , saving you seconds and even minutes of collecting resources, and when you get to the castle, I say it again, fast building is very good to make a fast castle. Finally, the blacksmithing bonus is also good because if you find yourself in an area where there is no gold, you only farm wood and food and you get a lot of food, and there you have blacksmithing improvement.
The TC bonus is so good it puts you a villager ahead of other civs.
It seems like the important stuff is really getting fishing ships out and keeping them in combination with a good uniqe unit.
The Portuguese team bonus is now everyone's team bonus.
When I could just play nomad in Vs my elo was 1400. Korea is one of the better civs for nomad due to the scouting. Korean villagers can see almost as far as a scout. So you have 1 villager walking the map and scouting in dark age. Your score will spike and sometimes people will quit just because of that. Once you find the other Tcs you rush with towers and follow with knights / rams.
Also I advise dont build a dock first. If you play random which we did back in the zone days , you wind up with huns and build a dock first, you wont have wood for a TC.
Basic start is all on wood and build fishing boats till you have 6 fish boats, then start taking your other food on land.
That's a lot of Fish and Chips. (According to the subtitles)
CC thinks it's a T90 video. 11
Spain discovered potatoes, and that's who the British got their stereotypical meal. De nada, piratas.
I'm 100% sure my deaf grandma works for youtube making the subtitles
Will you revisit this is three-six months to see how this list influences player choices and if lower skill players choosing these civs will affect the rates
I wonder if there is a single video where Spirit doesn't include a word Japanese or Samurai...
a pro gamer played japanese
Always fun to see these.
please do a step by step novice to "expert" series.. what to do first, what to look for, etc! that would me awesome!!.... great content bro!
yasssss!!! my man Spirit of the Law with the OP videos
The nomad map has quite a lot of gold and especially a lot of stone, so the trade bonus of the Spanish civ is rather redundant. Mining gold is much more time and resources efficient than trade.
Amazing video thanks for all the info
Would you consider making Top 10 Deathball civs?
The top 3 civs would be Goths, I reckon :D
@@thefidgetspinnerofdoom Well, having one civ at 3 spots could be considered Anarchy..
Top 10 creationist civs: Huns were creationists; worshipped Tengri. So, any civ counts.
Mongol deathball is probably the best. When you got microable fast seige onagers backed by mangudai hussars and seige rams. What exactly are you gonna do
@@youcanthandlethetruth5433 There are many civs that once they get their late game comp in good numbers there isnt anything you can do...Koreans, Bohemians, Celts and many more...Mongols are a solid contender but I wouldnt say theyre top 3..
Yeah, I once built a dock with huns on a nomad map before building my town center, I rolled huns randomly ... I felt bad and my teammates were not amused :(
Team bonuses make a HUGE difference in nomad in team games. Woiuld be nice to make a list of best civs for team games. Viking cheaper docks, Dravidians free house etc. are critical in early game.
Idea for future vid (maybe April fools vid); "Top 10 Meme Teams"
Civ team-ups that make funny, quirky or niche strategies and tactics work better... or at least, relatively better.
Examples:
- Celts with a Mongol ally to better steal sheep with their scout.
- Saracens with Koreans/Incas where the Saracens use their market bonus to sling cheap stone to their tower-rushing ally.
- Byzantines and Aztecs for Monks that can really make a difference in battle.
I always liked the Aztec, burmese, lithuanian, burgundian team. You find all the relics, give them to the lithuanian player, who in turn gets extra food and gold to crank out knights!
I have not played the nomad game mode much... But I see it as simply starting with villagers alone with no town center and maybe (not guaranteed) a scout.
The Mediterranean civilizations did surprise me this time!
P.S. now we know how we're getting our ELOs up! ;)
hell yea only play med civs
SotL: "Saying the things that make a good nomad civ."
Me: "Byzantines are my fave, but definitely not Byzantines, then."
SotL: "Number 10, Byzantines."
🤯🤯🤯
You should have included Land Nomad and the Marsh (?) Nomad maps too :)
A video without Japaness is not a SOTL video.
dravidians are a monster civ on nomad especially in team nomad games , 4 guys have to colllect just 25 wood to build a fishing ship is like a pseudo persian or malier bonus for everyone.
Well not really. Its nice, but you're overselling it: The point of the Persian/Malian bonus is to have the fishing ship out before the TC is even finished. It doesn't really matter if your 1 or 25 wood short; what matters is that you loose easily 30s of fishing ship working time, which means you start with a lot more food and can send all your vills to wood for longer, resulting in fishing ship number 2 and 3 coming out quicker.
@@CG-eh6oe you are right in the speed advantage; what i meant with pseudo bonus/advantage was the ressources spared: 4 People spare 25 wood. 100 Wood combined are additional 1.3 Fishingboats. You have to have "it" on the field. but if everybody takes advantage of the bonus you will have more fishingboats than the enemies.
optimal would be Dravidians combined with Persian =)
Captions at 2:24
"polls" should be "Poles"
(Yes I know I'm being pedantic)
Hey Spirit - I don't know if you've come across MantisAoE's Civ concept videos yet, but if you haven't you should definitely check them out, lots of really cool ideas!
SO EARLY! NEVER BEEN THIS EARLY!
Same
Next we need to hear what the top Megarandom civs are! Get to it SotL. :D
Funny to see Britons at the bottom. I'd think they'd fare a bit better on Mountain Pass with its enormous amounts of sheep to find, though.
When I hear ''Nomad'' civs, I immediately think about Steppe tribe civs.
Here is what I'd love to see in game.
Nomadic architecture set for the Nomad civs, Mongols get Yurt houses and steppe Nomad architecture. Tartars + Cumans get Yurts for dark age houses and Huns too get steppe Nomad architecture. The Mongol Yurts should have less HP but also be much cheaper.
With their Unique tech 'Nomads'' if their cheap , low HP Yurts goes down, then they need not create more. It will be perfect.
Armenians should get the current Tatar extra Hill bonus damage in exchange for faster moving CA + Tatar, Mongol and Hun scouts have the ability to lame enemies hunt. (Scorched earth tactics)
Hello SOTL, i have an idea that might caight ur attention to make it a video, can u civer best civ combo to use in a SHARED TEAM BONUS MOD (such as burg + fr + pol + berb to make stupidly cheap but strong cav jn castke age), anyway, great content as always!!!
SOTL made a video about the best team bonuses but it's been a while, I guess it could be updated
Oh, Nomad. Sure never mastered this myself as of these days.
Even though the Japanese have only a 47% win rate, he still manages to "recommend" them.
No Vikings huh? That's surprising given their team bonus, nice water, great infantry and all around great feudal bonus.
No fire galley fucks them up real hard
Free wheelbarrow is less important on water maps as you rely more on fish than farms in Feudal Age. The Vikings have the worst tech tree in the game which is probably why they don't do as well on Nomad as the other top civs.
They do ok in TG Nomad I think, but they're still generally not a great civ after all the nerfs. I would take Malian infantry over Viking in most cases in TG. Berserkers are awesome when upgraded but not a realistic unit choice in most games.
I suppose it makes sense that Huns aren’t known to be master fishermen on boats what with living in the steppes for so long.
The important part about excluding Dravidians is that it gave Byzantines a brief moment in the sun
Now you have to remake this video Armenians and Georgians are quite good nomad civs, the mule cart is very practical for nomad maps
I have an idea for a video, if every civ has every tech open for them, which civ will be the most op, just imagine all tech game but every civ still retain their civ bonus.
Poles 60% cheaper paladins with last Armour...ooof
Portugese are gonna be just good in team games now, I wonder how much their new team bonus will boost the win rate?
Enjoy now the spanish flood in nomad games 11, no nomad for me in a while after this
I like viet on nomad espesh in team games, wall up FC castle drop the enemy TC and right into rattan which counters archers is very strong. Cav no that big of a threat of you got the walls down.
You know who you remind me of? The Duel Logs.
I once placed and built a dock and a house as Huns in a ranked nomad game, had to build a lumber camp and chop my way to a TC. Ended up winning that one though. I love this map lol
Were you playing all techs? Huns don't have houses otherwise
Idk, but for me, the best Berber bonus in nomad is +10% speed on ships, well at least that the reason that i play with them
i was surprised Vikings wasnt mentioned
Nomad and megarandom are my favorite maps. I olny play teamgames though
All I know about Celts is that narrator from the tutorial campaign definitely has a battering ram fetish.
Right now I'm watching a chicken play AoE2, along with 3600 other people.
Just curious on how above average WR translates to have more Elo?
Differences in elo are based on the probabilities of beating another player (it's what the formula is based on). Being 87 elo higher than someone else means you have a ~62% chance of beating them. Spanish have a 62% win rate, so being 87 elo higher than someone else in a mirror match, or playing Spanish against a generic civ who has the same rating as you, both should theoretically both set you up to win 62% of the time. It's one way to try to make the Spanish dominance more tangible, but could be applied to any civ's win rate using an Elo win rate calculator.
wismuth.com/elo/calculator.html#system=tennis-men
Awesome, now do Land Nomad please!
I need help. I wanna install mods but i literally can't. I logged into xbox live, on the game and web subscribed to the mods but when I go to check in mods area ingame there's nothing. I also can't connect to multiplayer. It's confusing please help me understand.
Is it possible to install and use mods for free?
You sure talk about your favorite civ an awful lot.
What is a good strat/civ for the gold rush map? I really hate that map, I always loose on it.
A Nomad tech on a Nomad map keep you No-mad
I like that in this game saracens underperform in arabia and mongols and huns do so in nomad
Mongols are a top tier civ on Nomad.
I wonder what would be the better play in Nomad: I usually go for 2 galleys when I don't want to go too agressive on water. Just 2 galleys to snipe some fish, but fire galleys are better? It feels like fire galleys are better in the long run but they take longer to take out a fishing ship..
I always hear the point where galleys are better than fire ships is 4-5. You can micro and shoot them down. Since the purpose of nomad is usually to fast castle and switch to land, galleys are less often used. Never bring a galley to a land war.
This is a legit strat! Having your fish alive longer than the other, forcing your opp into eco on land is beneficial.
I keep getting demolished on Arabia. I need to know which civ best counters the Arabian pond longboat rush.
No wonder why Spanish are number 1, specially when they started nomad in Central and South America and conquered
Turns out destroying the ships was just warm up to play nomad
I assume the spanish winrate is even higher, as there are a lot of mirror matches which lower the winrate, or are mirror matches ignored in the data?
Does it matter? It would even wouldn't?
@@87JJosh spanish acainst itself has a 50% winrate, which given how much It play against itself could mean a lower winrate
No it wouldn't. It just cancels itself out cuz you get a win too
I arrived before the bell.
I didn't hear no bell!
If you twist the right part of the first letter, bell becomes hell.
If my ally has garrisoned relics and i am the lituan, i will receive the danage bonus?
Sicilian's team bonus is pretty good on nomad. You a lot of vision by having a transport ship do a lap of the map hugging the coast. This also helps you raid the fishing eco early,
I'm honestly to see what you think about the Malay.
Now i want top 10 civs on mega random...
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Please make a ranking of best unit if there is no hidden value
I wonder how often villager rushes win nomad games. I know it's highly effective against the AI, but that isn't saying too much.
was it always big trees with SOTL? Am i just realizing this?
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How about land nomad? It's in the map line up these days.