If you are starting from no experience at all, and no background in electronics or material science, I'd be careful about which Ender 3. The newer ones (s1 and after) have a lot of creature comforts and better quality control. @@OKManNoOne
“Let’s check out the print quality” Proceeds to print way faster than would be typical, doesn’t finish the print, breaks the print, and doesn’t show us the print. Can I have my 25 minutes back?
I have to say, having had printers with touch screens and printers with knobs, I find I prefer the knobs. There is something existentially satisfying about something simple well done. It looks like they took everything that was annoying about learning to 3d print, and built something cheap that works out of the box.
Yeah, I'm really excited about this printer. $1000 mega printers are cool and all, but this is, in my opinion, more appropriate for more people, and offers the best value on the market right now.
Most of my fun with 3d printing is talking shop with other makers, and introducing new people to the art. A name brand $200 printer that is decent quality and simple to use makes me kind of giddy about the future. That's in the price range of a doting grandparent.@@NathanBuildsRobots
@@Trashalchemy Despite getting my start with Creality printers, there's still room on my shelf for a future Prusa. But more as a "this is a quality device that is a joy to work with" sort of niche as opposed to a "cranking out crochet bowls on Etsy" sort of niche. I really want to own one with the material handler, just so I can do multi-color prints beyond the present techniques I'm using. (Either filament change at a certain layer, or break the model into multiple parts, each with a different material.) I have a book series/tabletop RPG coming out that I want to make miniatures for. And it's a world where ships are held together with moxie and literal magic, so I need different colors and textures to pull it off. Brass plumbing. Stainless steel structural members. Ceramic looking armor plates. Charred engine nozzles. Etc.
Same opinion about knob vs touch. The touchscreen fad needs to die. Buttons are far more responsive and reliable. A capacitive touchscreen becomes unusable with a single droplet of water on it and even on my phone which suffers from the "must have zero bezels" fad, just putting one of those soft cases on it makes the screen buggy and unresponsive. Other types of touchscreens aren't any better compared to simple mechanical buttons that can be pressed as many times per second as your fingers can manage. Having to pause even for just a third of a second between each input on a touchscreen is just an annoying worse experience.
Wow… I am absolutely blown away for what this offers out of the box for $200! This should help many more newcomers stick with 3D printing and not lose out to frustration.
I got the printer 4 days ago and it is awesome. Very nice prints about 2-3 time faster (According to slicer programs) than prior ender machines. Auto Z offset and leveling. is great. Very pleased with it.
Thanks for the overview. I’m eagerly awaiting mine to arrive tomorrow! It is my first 3d printer, so I’m glad to see that the ease of setup wasn’t just overhyped marketing.
Unfortunately, my package was intercepted before I could get to it. Thankfully Amazon is sending a replacement, but it won’t arrive until Sunday. I can’t wait to get it going, I’ll let you know how it goes once it arrives.
I am glad to see you showed the bottom of the printer as that highlights a big reason why they may be able to offer this level of feature at this price point. Where the old printers were assembled within a frame of aluminum extrusions, this is assembled with a few stamped pieces of metal that attach together likely so easily that the process can be automated. I have minor concern over stiffness at high print speeds, but if it can really do 250mm/sec with some quality at any time then I don't mind.
I love these review videos! I genuinely love the bed hair like he just woke up and recorded this video before eating breakfast lol. Keep up the good work!
It makes a lot of sense though. Printer companies are increasingly starting to build ecosystems where they recruit customers to their banks with good low cost printers the. Hope they upgrade later to high end stuff. At least I think that’s what creality is thinking with this new lineup of an awesome Ender 3 and higher price point K1
I bought this printer and have had it about a week. All I can say being a total rookie is it is easy to print!. With this model I have some of the upgrades and bells and whistles of more expensive models at an INCREDIBLE PRICE! I am already geeking out and looking how I can upgrade my V3 SE...so yeah...if Creality is trying to bring more customers in and and have them spend more money in their "ecosystem" they definitely nailed it.
Sensor-less homing bangs and stresses the mechanical parts and puts more electrical load on the drivers. It's actually a cheap way to do things and less reliable. I prefer the limit switches.The two screws go on the top of the machine at the bottom of the right Z axis bracket - Loosen all the screw put the two screw in and then tighten them in sequence so it all seats properly.
It does look like a fairly solid little printer for them money. Looking forward to the next video to see what it looks like under the bottom panel. On a side note, the bamboo labs screen looks like they stuck a mid 2000s mp3 player on their printer.
Nathan, Thanks for the review. If you can, can you please look at adding a runout sensor, perhaps using a WIFI SD card (All I want is to upload files, nothing else) and what the USC-C is for. It's my first 3D printer. I did quite a lot of reading and TH-cam reviews including your channel. It really helped.
I picked one up as my first printer. The first one had some firmware issues and the SD slot was broken. So after about a week of printing I returned it. The second one was great. Everything I wanted in a beginner printer. I've put about 3 kg through it with very minimal maintenance. Still learning but I'm delighted.
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Your videos are great, i watched almost every single one from past year and would watch them again, simply for your pronunciation of word machine :)
I really like what I see, the design choices are really well calculated. No double Z motors which nobody needs anyways from a design or engineering point of view. Keep it simple, small and cheap. I like the PTFE lined hotends since it´s not an exlosed printer and they are way cheaper and easier to handle they also print way better PLA & PETG. Part cooling sucks and cold end cooling sucks. 30mm fans are simply dumb. Soo small and loud. My question would be, does it run the same software as the Elegoo 4 does ? Is it fast ?
Neptune 4 is running klipper, and I believe this is running marlin. It's not AS fast as the Neptune 4, but for the price reduction, I think I'd be tempted to go the Ender 3 route. Plus the modding scene is going to be crazy for these machines as always.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Yeah, IDK. I personally would prefer Neptune 4 in this case to be honest. Price is very similar and I want a printer with pressure advance etc. to improve print quality a little further. The speed advantage is also great. However you are right the price to performance ratio is great and the auto Z calibration is also great, way less hassle.
I’ve had my since 2021 and have loved it. I didn’t know anything about printers and lucked out with the most modifiable one on the market. I hope the v3 is the same way, Creality’s new gen printers seem to not have as many options as the 3 and 3v2 though. The way I see it, the E3V2 is a Toyota Supra. Slow (by todays standards) and boring but once you mod it a little it really becomes a great printer. I haven’t had to touch my bed leveling knobs in over a year. I set the mesh and left it. I can literally hit print and come back to a finished model. I’m shopping for my next printer (~$1500 to spend) and I’m hesitant to buy anything fancy. The Ender has treated me so well I have entertained the thought of buying 1 or 2 more E3V2’s, duplicating all the mods so they’re all the exact same and calling it a day. 3-4 finely tuned Enders will surely print faster than 1 P1S or K1 Max…right? …Right?
I’ve been thinking about what 4 of these Ender 3 V3 SE running off a single sonic pad would look like. I don’t need that many printers but it would be pretty inexpensive and have huge output
I wish I had waited for this instead of getting a V2 Neo two months ago. Cheaper, faster and easier to setup and manage makes it a no-brainer over the other Ender 3 models.
Given your comments on the ptfe hotend and inadequate parts cooling it would be very interesting to see a comparison with the Sovol SV07 (especially with the wifi, independent dual Z drive and klipper). I have an original Ender 3 and am generally happy with this style of printer but I would really appreciate a greater turn of speed either of these two machines promise.
I think Creality already has a partial answer to that with their Sonicpad. Rather than add a brain and smart screen to each printer, have one nice brain and smart screen that can run 4 printers. I'm running one now for my Ender 3 pro and my 5 S1, and I'm really enjoying having a drop-in Klipper implementation for both.
It might be doable. I imagine you could replace one of the springs in a traditional bed with a load-cell. But wiring it up and programming the procedure would be challenging.
Double check the hotend for PTFE lining. My E3 S1 was supposed to be PTFE lined, but for whatever reason, it wasn't - discovered when I replaced the hotend for a new all metal one.
As much as I hate creality, Auto Z offset is extremely impressive on this price of printer. It should honestly be standard on every printer yet even many expensive printers still don't have it.
I'd love to toss Klipper on this baby. Would love a head to head comparison with the Ender 3 S1. The bed leveling is nice but I'm wondering if there's anything the S1 has that this one doesn't. Maybe the S1 can be modded a bit easier? (we'll see)
This was sort of I was expecting Sovol to do with the SV07 Plus, especially using linear rails on the bedslinger. But from the leaked photos, it's literally a bigger SV07. This one though, it looks cool for a budget printer. I'm sure it will probably beat the SV07 and Kobra 2 easily in terms of value but competes with the Neptune 4. If I weren't spoiled by seeing a bigger volume or the possibilities of printing multicolor, I would maybe consider this as my 1st printer.
@NathanBuildsRobots I think you hinted before you will get the SV07 Plus, or at least a Plus version of one of the budget speedy printers. 😂 I really hope they improved it like the way the K1 Max is an improvement of the K1. But at this point, for me, any "Plus" versions that come out should blow my mind in order to sway me to buy it, instead my current top 2 choices.
How about the speed of the Kobra 2 and Neptune 4? This Ender printer is really slow in comparison! Aurora says the Anycubic is the best of the budget printers.
Nathan, yes...time for modder board v2(maybe an easier to keep up with name...MB V3 for the SE). I just got into 3d printing about 2 weeks ago, with a 3 S1...and your channel/work is among my favorite. With this printer, entry into 3d printing will be easier on every level, every aspect. Less expense, easier setup, smaller form factor...while still being moddable for folks that are wanting that. All great for kids(and parents footing bill for the learning/experience). All of those points means more desire for your modder board. I picture these in schools more frequently, and your modder board is a perfect learning aid for those who dont know soldering and component selection/hookup. Easy peazy. So yes please get back to the drawing board! Keep up the good content!
I'm not sure why you're so hating on the display of the bambu. tbh I used the display on the printer maybe 3-4 times since I got it. Mainly to turn off the integrated led. Since you can control everything through the pc app, you won't need a display on the printer besides from potential software failures. But on the creality printers I understand that you would need a display given the crappy apps and software they provide.
@@NathanBuildsRobotsI would consider that an immediate return. To me, the easy click to print right from the slicer is a huuuuuge convenience factor so I wouldn't be willing to keep a machine without it.
Nice review and the assembling process much more user friendly for a beginner. I did not see a filament run out sensor if one was to add it would it take the user to do some complicated software tinkering, a true beginner would mostly shy away from this. Thanks for sharing this is quite impressive, happy testing.
Pretty impressive pricing and feature wise very similar to a anycubic kobra 2 (auto z, two leadscrews and one stepper, quick, marlin based machine). I think this could even replace the 100 dollar microcenter ender 3p with the features given. Are the bed bearings greased? They sound a bit grindy. Really good job on the overall design, making it more compact with the changes they made. Im curious what Mainboard creality has put in and if they finally managed to make one with uart/spi drivers, since the microstepping sounds a little rough just like on the kobra 2. I also got one for the screens: Creality: puts on really nice screen on 200 dollar machine Bambu: puts on crappy screen because user aren't using it anyway. Meanwhile the ankermake m5c: no screen, so people cant complain about bad screens
Lol. Bearings were pre-greased. I’m betting the Mainboard is the same as the Ender 3S1, but I really should open it up and take a look. Wouldn’t be surprised if they made some minor changes
My kids still call my Ender 3 pro "squeaky". When I started 3d printing, it sounded like someone was drowning a robot in my office. At this point it's still my go-to printer. Of course it's more mod than factory at this point. The Printer of Theseus.
@@gedeonang7077 I'm not saying prusa is the god of ideas, but they are in a way like apple. they put the spotlight on features and spread to all market. The cr6 is a few years old, but after the mk4, this is the second new entry just on nathans channel with something like this (I think the anycubic of a month ago had something like this) I really don't see this as a coincidence. if creality is putting this on their most popular line (in price and adopters) they are probably wanting to see how their clients like that. best!
I definitely want to see a torture toaster comparison between this, the Neptune 3/4, and the p1p/p1s. One of these printers has gotta be able to print a .1 tolerance
great review dude... much appreciated. Very clear... no useless padding. I have original Ebder 3 with Lerdge MB replacement. Thinking of getting one of these to replace it and salvaging my Lerdge MB for my old up 2 Plus. Big seller with this for me is the much smaller footprint and cable management. Also the self leveling looks great. Not having to mod a new machine out of the box is a huge thing. Screen looks great.
Tpu, so are you saying they TEST every machine before they send it out? Or any tuber that gets a machine comes off the presidents desk, is gone through with a fine tooth comb and is a DIFFERENT machine than what WE buy from AZON?
No idea, this is the problem with review models. Also, I get advanced prototypes sometimes that are worse than the actual production units so it’s good to follow up and see what people’s real experiences are on Reddit, Facebook, etc
I have seen these videos couple of times now and I have just started to 3d print I bought a ender 3 v3 se because of this video so one question I got about the printer, can use a c cable to my laptop to send prints to the printer from my laptop ??
I'm curious how they are doing an automated Z offset. ETA: It appears that when the nozzle contacts the bed, it senses the extra torque on the motor so knows the nozzle has hit the bed.
Great video! I just found your channel a couple weeks ago since I've been researching the Neptune 4 Pro, really like your videos even if you are a shill lol. Really thinking about getting this over the Neptune 4 Pro, what do you think? Looking for decent speed, print quality, and ease of use. Seems like this machine hits all those boxes. Can't wait to watch more videos of you using it.
Neptune 4 has better part cooling and all metal hotend and klipper. But costs $60 more requires manual bed leveling and z probe offset during setup and probably won’t have as good of an aftermarket and modding scene.
@@NathanBuildsRobots I couldn't help myself and just bought it. I've been waiting for the Neptune 4 Pro to show up on Amazon (easier returns in case of issues) but the value in this printer seem really good. And it will be a definite upgrade over my original Voxelab Aquila.
I am considering this one as well, but also considering the Neptune 4 (was about to write the same question as you haha). Saw that you bought the ender, how do you like it?
You mentioned that it won't be able to print TPU because of a possibly PTFE lined hotend, however Creality does state that it supposedly is able to print TPU, would be interesting to see if it actually is capable of it or not.
Just discovered your channel and thanks for the excellent overview and reviews of the various 3d printers. I'm new to the world of 3d printing and I'm looking to purchase my first machine. I've looked extensively on the Ender 3 S1 Pro which is kind of my budget limit but now I found this video :). I don't mind tinkering with stuff and I have an old Shapeoko 2 CNC machine which I've had great success with. That said, as I'm getting older, I just want to stuff to work without too much hassle. Is this printer something you would recommend? (I would think so based on the title of this video)
Maybe this reply is coming too late, but I am also new to the world of 3D printing and have decided to get this machine even though I could afford something more expensive. I've spent hours looking at reviews and the Ender 3 V3 SE is getting really consistent great reviews. And I figure it's less risky of a commitment if you're unsure exactly what you'll want to do, and how much time and effort you will spend on the printing :)
Thanks for your reply and no, it’s not too late as I haven’t bought anything yet :). I’m going to hold off getting a printer until the end of the year. I’ve found the Ender 3 V3 KE quite interesting as well. I’m even considering a Prusa MK4 but that’s in a totally different price range. Enjoy your V3 SE :)
I haven’t printed with it too much, it’s taken apart and I’m working on some custom mods that I’ll share later. But in terms of speed, there should be decent profiles for it out there
Knowing creality... They will keep selling all the prior crap even though it doesn't make sense. It's a basic theory in retail. Offer a bunch of choices, assuming people select them randomly you capture more $$$. Smart/price conscious consumers will buy the higher value/cheaper stuff at the lower price points, but for every person that makes the "mistake" of buying the non-optimal option, that is more money in your pocket. Sad but true state of affairs. Just look at your ketchup options next time you're at the grocery store.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Our local Microcenter has several aisles of 3d printers, accessories, filaments, etc. And it's not as well organized as the condiment aisle at my local supermarket. I have to check if they finally sold the pile (literally a pile) of Ender 3 pros that they kept marking down. Of course the reason for the chaos is a steady stream of consumers... so they must be doing something right.
Yeah definitely. Oddly enough they made it so like 3 different components attach to the carriage, vs on the Ender 3 S1 everything was attached to the extruder, then the extruder was attached to the carriage. That made it easier to do quick toolhead changes on the S1. But now that they add a great feature for making quick tool changes easier, they change things around
@@NathanBuildsRobots oh, yeah that does kinda suck, hadn't picked that up from the vid. Atleast these new capabilities will give the community some very interesting options for modding, but ideally it would have already been somewhat easy to change things up. But yakno, 200 bucks what can you say Iguess.
I like sensorless homing. But it is sensitive and requires tuning. If you have a super nooooob using a printer and the homing breaks down, sensored homing is much easier to troubleshoot and fix IMO. But then again Proosa printers use sensorless...
I NEED AN URGENT ANSWER! I pre-ordered the Ender 3 V3 SE a few days ago. The printer will reach me on September 25-30. Before ordering this printer, I was planning to buy the "Eleego Neptune 4/3 Pro" printer because its price seemed excellent compared to its competitors. The thing that kept me from buying Eleego Neptune 4/3 Pro was that users on the internet had a lot of problems, but for some reason it made more sense to buy now. Do you think I should return the Ender 3 V3 SE I bought?
What do you think of the V3 SE vs the V2 Neo? On paper the V3 looks better but I'm concerned about all the cost cutting efforts leading to a lower quality machine.
I clicked buy so fast. Gonna test this out in the farm, and I honestly expect it to be my new go-to. So sick of having to mod the heck out of kingroons and e3v2s to get them to this spec, and this just comes the way I need it for way less money? Take it all.
How many iterations for them to get it right? This one is still missing touch screen and filament sensor. For 50 dollars more, get that other printer with those features and Klipper too.
It turned out like shit because I'm lazy and didn't prevent the spool from tangling. The parts that turned out fine looked as good or better than Ender 3 S1, that is to say - very good/acceptable print quality.
NOW I KNOW! Thank you for the video but my 1st printer just a month ago is a ender 3 v2 neo (whatever neo is), and I will never buy another ender now knowing what I know now. The new v3 look like ankermaker M5C but in a mini version. I'm guessing v3 neo will be bigger and still little cute. edit: love how you tell it like it is tho! BL touch and no manual bed level? Ender users know how important just manual bed level is.
In regards to your steel reinforcement video, I think you need to do a feasibility test where you make multiple handles with varying numbers of sheets of reinforcement. You may be on to something but will never know for certain if your amount of reinforcement is below what makes this viable. Ex: currently, you have one layer of reinforcement per 10 layers, but does changing to per 7 layers or per 3 layers make it stronger? I believe it would although there will be a point of diminishing loss there as well.
It looks like some good improvements. I still have my E3 V2 but recently bought an Ender 5 S1 slightly cheaper than creality are now offering it in their sale.
How are you liking the 5s1? I've had one for a few months now. And despite expectations, my 3 pro is STILL my goto machine. The 5 makes a lot of impressive noise, and throws itself around hard enough that I've had to lay it on the floor. But for all that "speed" I ended up having to run it at basically the same levels as my 3 pro to get equivilent quality. Even after switching to Klipper and the Sonicpad. The taller gantry is nice for when I want to fill the plate with copies of a print I want to produce one-at-a-time. There is also one skyscraper I sell on Etsy that really never printed well on a bed slinger.
Love it. @@seanwoods647 I did install Klipper and fit a 4.3" klipperscreen into the now-dead screen location but otherwise finding the stock mechanics all good.
Jeebus. This looks a HECK of a lot nicer than the $180 Ender 3 Pro that made me hate it over a couple of cantankerous years. Even though I knew all the 3D print things, that printer almost made me ditch the hobby. Fortunately, my next printer was a "beginner" 3D printer that did auto-levelling and has not yet needed adjustments or calibration of any kind in ten months of daily use. Regarding the "Ender 3 Pro", I gots too many hobbies to put that much extra attention into any single one of them.
Im so jealous of the new comers to 3d printing. They have it so much easier than we did just a few short years ago.
Back in my day, we had to manually level the bed every time we ran a print!
The bed was warped. Uphill. Both ways!
them good old days, to be fair i do prefer some manual interventions still... its all to simple until it goes really wrong.
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is it better to start with basic ender 3 to learn basics or is it not impotent when some aspect are automated?
If you are starting from no experience at all, and no background in electronics or material science, I'd be careful about which Ender 3. The newer ones (s1 and after) have a lot of creature comforts and better quality control. @@OKManNoOne
21:10 "Lets listen to the printer" ,proceeds to add some music. Brilliant.
“Let’s check out the print quality”
Proceeds to print way faster than would be typical, doesn’t finish the print, breaks the print, and doesn’t show us the print. Can I have my 25 minutes back?
I have to say, having had printers with touch screens and printers with knobs, I find I prefer the knobs. There is something existentially satisfying about something simple well done. It looks like they took everything that was annoying about learning to 3d print, and built something cheap that works out of the box.
Yeah, I'm really excited about this printer. $1000 mega printers are cool and all, but this is, in my opinion, more appropriate for more people, and offers the best value on the market right now.
Most of my fun with 3d printing is talking shop with other makers, and introducing new people to the art. A name brand $200 printer that is decent quality and simple to use makes me kind of giddy about the future. That's in the price range of a doting grandparent.@@NathanBuildsRobots
@@NathanBuildsRobots This thing makes the Prusa Mk4 look like even more of a way to part fools from their money.
@@Trashalchemy Despite getting my start with Creality printers, there's still room on my shelf for a future Prusa. But more as a "this is a quality device that is a joy to work with" sort of niche as opposed to a "cranking out crochet bowls on Etsy" sort of niche. I really want to own one with the material handler, just so I can do multi-color prints beyond the present techniques I'm using. (Either filament change at a certain layer, or break the model into multiple parts, each with a different material.) I have a book series/tabletop RPG coming out that I want to make miniatures for. And it's a world where ships are held together with moxie and literal magic, so I need different colors and textures to pull it off. Brass plumbing. Stainless steel structural members. Ceramic looking armor plates. Charred engine nozzles. Etc.
Same opinion about knob vs touch. The touchscreen fad needs to die. Buttons are far more responsive and reliable.
A capacitive touchscreen becomes unusable with a single droplet of water on it and even on my phone which suffers from the "must have zero bezels" fad, just putting one of those soft cases on it makes the screen buggy and unresponsive. Other types of touchscreens aren't any better compared to simple mechanical buttons that can be pressed as many times per second as your fingers can manage. Having to pause even for just a third of a second between each input on a touchscreen is just an annoying worse experience.
Wow… I am absolutely blown away for what this offers out of the box for $200! This should help many more newcomers stick with 3D printing and not lose out to frustration.
Yeah, the loadcell in the base is a brilliant little addition, and I’m glad they’ve included it without charging a premium
Makes you wonder how they make any money out of it!
I got the printer 4 days ago and it is awesome. Very nice prints about 2-3 time faster (According to slicer programs) than prior ender machines. Auto Z offset and leveling. is great. Very pleased with it.
This is better than the K1 I returned 😅
What kind of slicer settings/profile are you using?
printing speed?
Inside/outside wall speed?
@@marcello8176 using Creality Print defaults. Print speed 180mm/s. Outer wall 60, inner wall 90
@@TrashalchemyI posted an answer but I don’t see it
Finally a printer absolutely worth shilling for!!
Thanks for the overview. I’m eagerly awaiting mine to arrive tomorrow! It is my first 3d printer, so I’m glad to see that the ease of setup wasn’t just overhyped marketing.
How was your initial setup and printing with your new Ender 3 V3 SE?
Unfortunately, my package was intercepted before I could get to it. Thankfully Amazon is sending a replacement, but it won’t arrive until Sunday. I can’t wait to get it going, I’ll let you know how it goes once it arrives.
@@Weird-OhLet me know if it’s worth!
@@Weird-Ohhow did it go?
I am glad to see you showed the bottom of the printer as that highlights a big reason why they may be able to offer this level of feature at this price point. Where the old printers were assembled within a frame of aluminum extrusions, this is assembled with a few stamped pieces of metal that attach together likely so easily that the process can be automated. I have minor concern over stiffness at high print speeds, but if it can really do 250mm/sec with some quality at any time then I don't mind.
I love these review videos! I genuinely love the bed hair like he just woke up and recorded this video before eating breakfast lol. Keep up the good work!
$200 is a crazy price for something like this.
It makes a lot of sense though. Printer companies are increasingly starting to build ecosystems where they recruit customers to their banks with good low cost printers the. Hope they upgrade later to high end stuff. At least I think that’s what creality is thinking with this new lineup of an awesome Ender 3 and higher price point K1
I bought this printer and have had it about a week. All I can say being a total rookie is it is easy to print!.
With this model I have some of the upgrades and bells and whistles of more expensive models at an INCREDIBLE PRICE! I am already geeking out and looking how I can upgrade my V3 SE...so yeah...if Creality is trying to bring more customers in and and have them spend more money in their "ecosystem" they definitely nailed it.
"We have our z axis moving up and down." 🤔 That's an amazing feature.😂😂😂
Never been done before!
Sensor-less homing bangs and stresses the mechanical parts and puts more electrical load on the drivers. It's actually a cheap way to do things and less reliable. I prefer the limit switches.The two screws go on the top of the machine at the bottom of the right Z axis bracket - Loosen all the screw put the two screw in and then tighten them in sequence so it all seats properly.
It does look like a fairly solid little printer for them money. Looking forward to the next video to see what it looks like under the bottom panel. On a side note, the bamboo labs screen looks like they stuck a mid 2000s mp3 player on their printer.
Lmao pre-iPod, pre-zune. It’s really kind of insulting for them to put such a cheap screen on there
Nathan, Thanks for the review. If you can, can you please look at adding a runout sensor, perhaps using a WIFI SD card (All I want is to upload files, nothing else) and what the USC-C is for. It's my first 3D printer. I did quite a lot of reading and TH-cam reviews including your channel. It really helped.
I picked one up as my first printer. The first one had some firmware issues and the SD slot was broken. So after about a week of printing I returned it. The second one was great. Everything I wanted in a beginner printer. I've put about 3 kg through it with very minimal maintenance. Still learning but I'm delighted.
Your videos are great, i watched almost every single one from past year and would watch them again, simply for your pronunciation of word machine :)
Thank you for the review. Can you compare this printer to Elegoo Neptune 4 for a beginner?
I really like what I see, the design choices are really well calculated. No double Z motors which nobody needs anyways from a design or engineering point of view. Keep it simple, small and cheap.
I like the PTFE lined hotends since it´s not an exlosed printer and they are way cheaper and easier to handle they also print way better PLA & PETG.
Part cooling sucks and cold end cooling sucks. 30mm fans are simply dumb. Soo small and loud.
My question would be, does it run the same software as the Elegoo 4 does ? Is it fast ?
Neptune 4 is running klipper, and I believe this is running marlin. It's not AS fast as the Neptune 4, but for the price reduction, I think I'd be tempted to go the Ender 3 route. Plus the modding scene is going to be crazy for these machines as always.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Yeah, IDK. I personally would prefer Neptune 4 in this case to be honest. Price is very similar and I want a printer with pressure advance etc. to improve print quality a little further. The speed advantage is also great. However you are right the price to performance ratio is great and the auto Z calibration is also great, way less hassle.
I’ve had my since 2021 and have loved it. I didn’t know anything about printers and lucked out with the most modifiable one on the market. I hope the v3 is the same way, Creality’s new gen printers seem to not have as many options as the 3 and 3v2 though.
The way I see it, the E3V2 is a Toyota Supra. Slow (by todays standards) and boring but once you mod it a little it really becomes a great printer. I haven’t had to touch my bed leveling knobs in over a year. I set the mesh and left it. I can literally hit print and come back to a finished model.
I’m shopping for my next printer (~$1500 to spend) and I’m hesitant to buy anything fancy. The Ender has treated me so well I have entertained the thought of buying 1 or 2 more E3V2’s, duplicating all the mods so they’re all the exact same and calling it a day. 3-4 finely tuned Enders will surely print faster than 1 P1S or K1 Max…right? …Right?
I’ve been thinking about what 4 of these Ender 3 V3 SE running off a single sonic pad would look like. I don’t need that many printers but it would be pretty inexpensive and have huge output
my brother got rid of 5 ender 3s to replace them with one Bambu Lab x1cc and he said it’s great so far
I wish I had waited for this instead of getting a V2 Neo two months ago. Cheaper, faster and easier to setup and manage makes it a no-brainer over the other Ender 3 models.
I’ve just sold my v2 neo to buy this until I can afford a Bambu lab p1s I’m currently waiting for the delivery and I’m very excited
What's makes this new unit better than the neo v2? Debating on getting the neo but just noticed the new v3
I can't stand creality for this. So fkn confusing.
Ordered one from Creality directly. Hopefully it ships soon.
Given your comments on the ptfe hotend and inadequate parts cooling it would be very interesting to see a comparison with the Sovol SV07 (especially with the wifi, independent dual Z drive and klipper). I have an original Ender 3 and am generally happy with this style of printer but I would really appreciate a greater turn of speed either of these two machines promise.
I think Creality already has a partial answer to that with their Sonicpad. Rather than add a brain and smart screen to each printer, have one nice brain and smart screen that can run 4 printers. I'm running one now for my Ender 3 pro and my 5 S1, and I'm really enjoying having a drop-in Klipper implementation for both.
The relocation of the x limit switch gave me an idea for modelling a mount on my printer!
My 3s1 on sale at $150 sounded insane. This at $200 MSRP? wow!
be cool if creality sold a kit for older models to have auto z offset.
It might be doable. I imagine you could replace one of the springs in a traditional bed with a load-cell. But wiring it up and programming the procedure would be challenging.
Nice well balanced first look at this machine.
Just a fresh Ender 3 S1 owner here coping for an automatic Z offset retrofit for my printer to be available in the future
RIP :(
Ender 3 S1 wonder got done dirty
Double check the hotend for PTFE lining. My E3 S1 was supposed to be PTFE lined, but for whatever reason, it wasn't - discovered when I replaced the hotend for a new all metal one.
Where the fk you get an s1 for a $150¿
@shenanigans815 the comment was in regard to the sprite extruder Nathan mentioned this printer comes with, as this is also in the S1 printer.
As much as I hate creality, Auto Z offset is extremely impressive on this price of printer. It should honestly be standard on every printer yet even many expensive printers still don't have it.
I'd love to toss Klipper on this baby. Would love a head to head comparison with the Ender 3 S1. The bed leveling is nice but I'm wondering if there's anything the S1 has that this one doesn't. Maybe the S1 can be modded a bit easier? (we'll see)
I think it would be a killer farm setup to get 1 sonic pad and 4X of these Ender V3 SE
Could all be had for under $1000
Interesting Printer - Thanks for the reveiw
def want one now, and retrofit the older ones with these new ideas
This was sort of I was expecting Sovol to do with the SV07 Plus, especially using linear rails on the bedslinger. But from the leaked photos, it's literally a bigger SV07. This one though, it looks cool for a budget printer. I'm sure it will probably beat the SV07 and Kobra 2 easily in terms of value but competes with the Neptune 4. If I weren't spoiled by seeing a bigger volume or the possibilities of printing multicolor, I would maybe consider this as my 1st printer.
I may or may not have an SV-07 Plus 🤫
@NathanBuildsRobots I think you hinted before you will get the SV07 Plus, or at least a Plus version of one of the budget speedy printers. 😂 I really hope they improved it like the way the K1 Max is an improvement of the K1. But at this point, for me, any "Plus" versions that come out should blow my mind in order to sway me to buy it, instead my current top 2 choices.
How about the speed of the Kobra 2 and Neptune 4? This Ender printer is really slow in comparison! Aurora says the Anycubic is the best of the budget printers.
Nathan, yes...time for modder board v2(maybe an easier to keep up with name...MB V3 for the SE).
I just got into 3d printing about 2 weeks ago, with a 3 S1...and your channel/work is among my favorite. With this printer, entry into 3d printing will be easier on every level, every aspect. Less expense, easier setup, smaller form factor...while still being moddable for folks that are wanting that. All great for kids(and parents footing bill for the learning/experience).
All of those points means more desire for your modder board. I picture these in schools more frequently, and your modder board is a perfect learning aid for those who dont know soldering and component selection/hookup. Easy peazy.
So yes please get back to the drawing board! Keep up the good content!
Modder board: um... yes!
I'm not sure why you're so hating on the display of the bambu. tbh I used the display on the printer maybe 3-4 times since I got it. Mainly to turn off the integrated led. Since you can control everything through the pc app, you won't need a display on the printer besides from potential software failures. But on the creality printers I understand that you would need a display given the crappy apps and software they provide.
My LAN doesn’t work on one of my P1Ps
Soooo yeah. Screen sucks
@@NathanBuildsRobotsI would consider that an immediate return. To me, the easy click to print right from the slicer is a huuuuuge convenience factor so I wouldn't be willing to keep a machine without it.
Nice review and the assembling process much more user friendly for a beginner. I did not see a filament run out sensor if one was to add it would it take the user to do some complicated software tinkering, a true beginner would mostly shy away from this. Thanks for sharing this is quite impressive, happy testing.
nice review. love that noice level but the part cooling fan is less to be desirable running that 250mm/s
Yup, definitely could use a fan upgrade. Its stock config is fine and usable though.
Pretty impressive pricing and feature wise very similar to a anycubic kobra 2 (auto z, two leadscrews and one stepper, quick, marlin based machine).
I think this could even replace the 100 dollar microcenter ender 3p with the features given.
Are the bed bearings greased? They sound a bit grindy. Really good job on the overall design, making it more compact with the changes they made. Im curious what Mainboard creality has put in and if they finally managed to make one with uart/spi drivers, since the microstepping sounds a little rough just like on the kobra 2.
I also got one for the screens:
Creality: puts on really nice screen on 200 dollar machine
Bambu: puts on crappy screen because user aren't using it anyway.
Meanwhile the ankermake m5c: no screen, so people cant complain about bad screens
Lol. Bearings were pre-greased. I’m betting the Mainboard is the same as the Ender 3S1, but I really should open it up and take a look. Wouldn’t be surprised if they made some minor changes
My kids still call my Ender 3 pro "squeaky". When I started 3d printing, it sounded like someone was drowning a robot in my office. At this point it's still my go-to printer. Of course it's more mod than factory at this point. The Printer of Theseus.
The load cell thing is quite great. I wonder how long until creality takes the exact thing the prusa mk4 did and makes it popular
Well, the nozzle load cell sensor was first on the cr6se, so its not really "exact thing prusa did"
@@gedeonang7077 I'm not saying prusa is the god of ideas, but they are in a way like apple. they put the spotlight on features and spread to all market. The cr6 is a few years old, but after the mk4, this is the second new entry just on nathans channel with something like this (I think the anycubic of a month ago had something like this) I really don't see this as a coincidence.
if creality is putting this on their most popular line (in price and adopters) they are probably wanting to see how their clients like that.
best!
I definitely want to see a torture toaster comparison between this, the Neptune 3/4, and the p1p/p1s. One of these printers has gotta be able to print a .1 tolerance
great review dude... much appreciated. Very clear... no useless padding.
I have original Ebder 3 with Lerdge MB replacement. Thinking of getting one of these to replace it and salvaging my Lerdge MB for my old up 2 Plus.
Big seller with this for me is the much smaller footprint and cable management.
Also the self leveling looks great. Not having to mod a new machine out of the box is a huge thing.
Screen looks great.
now we need the all metal hot end/extruder upgrade video for the new ender3. thanks for the review.
I think this will be my next printer. First upgrades will be a bi metal heat break, klipper, and a cht nozzle
Good plan 👍
Thanks for replying, I'm a new subscriber. Love the content so far, I'd be interested to see a video on how you modify your printer.
Which option is better ender v3 se for 242 CAD or bambulab a1 mini for 389 CAD?
This is so important because it's an ender 3 that actually works
How easy or difficult would it be to add a filament runout sensor to this? Is there a spot on the mainboard for the sensor to plug in?
Looking forward to seeing how you improve the hotend/heatbreak
Tpu, so are you saying they TEST every machine before they send it out? Or any tuber that gets a machine comes off the presidents desk, is gone through with a fine tooth comb and is a DIFFERENT machine than what WE buy from AZON?
I'll let you know tomorrow or so when mine gets here. Just a regular ol customer.
No idea, this is the problem with review models. Also, I get advanced prototypes sometimes that are worse than the actual production units so it’s good to follow up and see what people’s real experiences are on Reddit, Facebook, etc
I am not a TH-camr and mine also had been tested.
@@GlassCanvas That is GREAT to know. quality assurance
Got mine today, and yep, there was already filament melted in the nozzle. Tested even for little ol me.
I have seen these videos couple of times now and I have just started to 3d print I bought a ender 3 v3 se because of this video so one question I got about the printer, can use a c cable to my laptop to send prints to the printer from my laptop ??
Did you ever figure this out? I’m wondering if you can and use OctoPrint to control it.
Really interesting! I like the Z auto offset and the minimalist design, I almost regret preordering my Neptune 4 pro.
Neptune has more advanced features and klipper, both are great value, this one is just cheaper and a little more stripped down.
@@NathanBuildsRobotswhich would you recommend? Ender 3 v3 se or neptune 4 pro?
You made the better choice.
@@atlasvibes969 Neptune
I'm curious how they are doing an automated Z offset. ETA: It appears that when the nozzle contacts the bed, it senses the extra torque on the motor so knows the nozzle has hit the bed.
There is a loadcell at the front right corner of the bed. It’s the same thing that is used in a kitchen scale
been waiting for a printer forever, was just about to buy the ender 3 v2 when I saw the SE got released. Directly bought it for 200€
Thank you so much for such a clear and honest review. I am ordering one of these today!
I have this thing and I love it have not had any problems yet
Great video! I just found your channel a couple weeks ago since I've been researching the Neptune 4 Pro, really like your videos even if you are a shill lol. Really thinking about getting this over the Neptune 4 Pro, what do you think? Looking for decent speed, print quality, and ease of use. Seems like this machine hits all those boxes. Can't wait to watch more videos of you using it.
Neptune 4 has better part cooling and all metal hotend and klipper.
But costs $60 more requires manual bed leveling and z probe offset during setup and probably won’t have as good of an aftermarket and modding scene.
@@NathanBuildsRobots I couldn't help myself and just bought it. I've been waiting for the Neptune 4 Pro to show up on Amazon (easier returns in case of issues) but the value in this printer seem really good. And it will be a definite upgrade over my original Voxelab Aquila.
_"really like your videos even if you are a shill lol."_
Bingo!
I am considering this one as well, but also considering the Neptune 4 (was about to write the same question as you haha). Saw that you bought the ender, how do you like it?
@@Malle-io4tg I ended up cancelling my order because it was taking forever to ship at the time. I ended up buying the Neptune 4 which I really like.
You mentioned that it won't be able to print TPU because of a possibly PTFE lined hotend, however Creality does state that it supposedly is able to print TPU, would be interesting to see if it actually is capable of it or not.
Right, I should be able to do TPU, PLA, and PETG. Just no ABS or high temp marerials
Does the quality go down the faster it goes?
Just discovered your channel and thanks for the excellent overview and reviews of the various 3d printers.
I'm new to the world of 3d printing and I'm looking to purchase my first machine. I've looked extensively on the Ender 3 S1 Pro which is kind of my budget limit but now I found this video :). I don't mind tinkering with stuff and I have an old Shapeoko 2 CNC machine which I've had great success with. That said, as I'm getting older, I just want to stuff to work without too much hassle. Is this printer something you would recommend? (I would think so based on the title of this video)
Maybe this reply is coming too late, but I am also new to the world of 3D printing and have decided to get this machine even though I could afford something more expensive. I've spent hours looking at reviews and the Ender 3 V3 SE is getting really consistent great reviews. And I figure it's less risky of a commitment if you're unsure exactly what you'll want to do, and how much time and effort you will spend on the printing :)
Thanks for your reply and no, it’s not too late as I haven’t bought anything yet :). I’m going to hold off getting a printer until the end of the year. I’ve found the Ender 3 V3 KE quite interesting as well. I’m even considering a Prusa MK4 but that’s in a totally different price range. Enjoy your V3 SE :)
Big thanks for this. It sounds like just the machine for my next production batch. Did you settle on some speed settings that optimised speed? Cheers
I haven’t printed with it too much, it’s taken apart and I’m working on some custom mods that I’ll share later. But in terms of speed, there should be decent profiles for it out there
👍👍@@NathanBuildsRobots
Happy to finally see this. Do you think the sprite all metal upgrade would work on this?
It appears to be the same hotend as the Ender 5 S1 pro, but I’ve got to spend more time looking into this to confirm
@@NathanBuildsRobots haven't even gotten mine yet already feel it'll be better than my mk3s
willl wait for the max version to drop, i smell the liquidation of S1s in the future to hopefully simply the lineup
Knowing creality... They will keep selling all the prior crap even though it doesn't make sense. It's a basic theory in retail. Offer a bunch of choices, assuming people select them randomly you capture more $$$. Smart/price conscious consumers will buy the higher value/cheaper stuff at the lower price points, but for every person that makes the "mistake" of buying the non-optimal option, that is more money in your pocket.
Sad but true state of affairs. Just look at your ketchup options next time you're at the grocery store.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Our local Microcenter has several aisles of 3d printers, accessories, filaments, etc. And it's not as well organized as the condiment aisle at my local supermarket. I have to check if they finally sold the pile (literally a pile) of Ender 3 pros that they kept marking down. Of course the reason for the chaos is a steady stream of consumers... so they must be doing something right.
The load cell really encourages more nozzle swapping, makes me wanna combine it with a revo hotend
Yeah definitely. Oddly enough they made it so like 3 different components attach to the carriage, vs on the Ender 3 S1 everything was attached to the extruder, then the extruder was attached to the carriage. That made it easier to do quick toolhead changes on the S1. But now that they add a great feature for making quick tool changes easier, they change things around
@@NathanBuildsRobots oh, yeah that does kinda suck, hadn't picked that up from the vid. Atleast these new capabilities will give the community some very interesting options for modding, but ideally it would have already been somewhat easy to change things up. But yakno, 200 bucks what can you say Iguess.
For beginners, Kingroon KP3S. Then as you develop, build an enclosed voron or annex…
I love my KP3S Pro. I put Klipper on it and the thing just spits out great prints.
Sensorless homing is cheaper because you ditch the limit switch. The tmcs have it integrated so no reason to not use it
I like sensorless homing. But it is sensitive and requires tuning. If you have a super nooooob using a printer and the homing breaks down, sensored homing is much easier to troubleshoot and fix IMO. But then again Proosa printers use sensorless...
@@NathanBuildsRobotsJust set it right from factory
WHY DIDNT YOU DO ANOTHER PRINT ? GOT SOMETHING TO HIDE HAVE WE ??
Would you buy the Neptune 4 pro für 260€ or the ender 3 SE for 197€ or ender 3 KE for 299€?
Hi Nathan, thanks for your professional video as always! Can you tell me what the maximum noise level is? It's very important for me. Until next time!
Can you do a video on how to successfully do a colour Filament change mid print?
Thanks!
I NEED AN URGENT ANSWER!
I pre-ordered the Ender 3 V3 SE a few days ago. The printer will reach me on September 25-30. Before ordering this printer, I was planning to buy the "Eleego Neptune 4/3 Pro" printer because its price seemed excellent compared to its competitors. The thing that kept me from buying Eleego Neptune 4/3 Pro was that users on the internet had a lot of problems, but for some reason it made more sense to buy now. Do you think I should return the Ender 3 V3 SE I bought?
No, Ender 3 V3 SE is a good printer
Would you still place it in S-tier?
A mod board for the SE would be great!
Just got two paid 179.00 cant beat that price for farm grade printer
I got my s1 for $200 at micro center when they had a sale, works great
What do you think of the V3 SE vs the V2 Neo? On paper the V3 looks better but I'm concerned about all the cost cutting efforts leading to a lower quality machine.
V3 SE 100%
@@NathanBuildsRobots thanks for the advice, I've ordered the V3 😁
I clicked buy so fast. Gonna test this out in the farm, and I honestly expect it to be my new go-to. So sick of having to mod the heck out of kingroons and e3v2s to get them to this spec, and this just comes the way I need it for way less money? Take it all.
I see a 3dprinter that's coming close to a take out plug n play nice
How many iterations for them to get it right? This one is still missing touch screen and filament sensor. For 50 dollars more, get that other printer with those features and Klipper too.
You don’t need any of those features, and this is less expensive
Why didn't you show the print result while zooming in tho?
It turned out like shit because I'm lazy and didn't prevent the spool from tangling. The parts that turned out fine looked as good or better than Ender 3 S1, that is to say - very good/acceptable print quality.
NOW I KNOW! Thank you for the video but my 1st printer just a month ago is a ender 3 v2 neo (whatever neo is), and I will never buy another ender now knowing what I know now. The new v3 look like ankermaker M5C but in a mini version. I'm guessing v3 neo will be bigger and still little cute. edit: love how you tell it like it is tho! BL touch and no manual bed level? Ender users know how important just manual bed level is.
Is there a filament runout sensor?
Not that I noticed, unless it’s on the hotend somewhere
So the print failed?
I bought it few days ago and hope it will arrive soon but still waiting for your second and real print review Nathan, and disassembly :)
Why wouldn't you recommend a ender for a beginner? Care to explain? What do you recommend?
In regards to your steel reinforcement video, I think you need to do a feasibility test where you make multiple handles with varying numbers of sheets of reinforcement. You may be on to something but will never know for certain if your amount of reinforcement is below what makes this viable. Ex: currently, you have one layer of reinforcement per 10 layers, but does changing to per 7 layers or per 3 layers make it stronger? I believe it would although there will be a point of diminishing loss there as well.
Have you had a chance to work on the deeper dive into this machine? I like the machine, but am thinking of converting over to Klipper on it.
Hey Nathan! New subscriber her. Still torn between this and an S1 Pro. Which one should I go for? Around 50 bucks difference between the two.
I think this is better. It's currently lacking some modding options, but I'm working on that!
Also the KE is worth upgrading to if you want klipper
This or the Eleegoo 4? I know the price difference but for value is the eleegoo better you think?
This one is more noob friendly and cheaper. Elegoo has more overhead for advanced users.
Besides the prices, what printer do you recommend between Ender 3 V3 SE an Ender 3 S1 Pro?
It looks like some good improvements. I still have my E3 V2 but recently bought an Ender 5 S1 slightly cheaper than creality are now offering it in their sale.
How are you liking the 5s1? I've had one for a few months now. And despite expectations, my 3 pro is STILL my goto machine. The 5 makes a lot of impressive noise, and throws itself around hard enough that I've had to lay it on the floor. But for all that "speed" I ended up having to run it at basically the same levels as my 3 pro to get equivilent quality. Even after switching to Klipper and the Sonicpad. The taller gantry is nice for when I want to fill the plate with copies of a print I want to produce one-at-a-time. There is also one skyscraper I sell on Etsy that really never printed well on a bed slinger.
Love it. @@seanwoods647 I did install Klipper and fit a 4.3" klipperscreen into the now-dead screen location but otherwise finding the stock mechanics all good.
Nice review, but I've got to say, it bugs me how much you touch the build plate. I assume you cleaned it off-camera, but that really bugged me.
Hey Nathan. Which would you recommend between this and the Neptune 4/Pro?
Neptune
Hi, can I ask you which one is better, this one or anycubic kobra 2 2023?
As someone whose looking to get into this hobby. Would the ender 3 neo v2 be a better option or this new 3v3?
You said PLA & PETG. What about TPU?
TPU is just a type of PLA (kidding) But really, any direct drive printer should be able to handle TPU quite well.
How does this compare to the neo? Would you recommend the neo over this?
This is 100% better than the Neo. Haven’t used the Neo but this has a fully modern feature set
Jeebus. This looks a HECK of a lot nicer than the $180 Ender 3 Pro that made me hate it over a couple of cantankerous years. Even though I knew all the 3D print things, that printer almost made me ditch the hobby. Fortunately, my next printer was a "beginner" 3D printer that did auto-levelling and has not yet needed adjustments or calibration of any kind in ten months of daily use. Regarding the "Ender 3 Pro", I gots too many hobbies to put that much extra attention into any single one of them.
I bought the Anycubic Kobra with bed leveling and it's been a champ!
which is better, this or the neptune 4 pro?
wow even that extruder is way better than the one on the k1!
K1 is like a concept car… doesn’t really fit into the rest of creality’s lineup and seems more like a 1-off than part of the family
Nice video ! I'm new to 3D printing and was wondering if Creality ender 3 v3 se is better than elegoo neptune 4, what's your opinon on it ?
Which one is better? The Kobra 2 or the ender 3v3
Ender 3 V3 all the way. Just looked at the kobra 2 last week and was not kmpressed