FROM CHAMPS TO CHUMPS! The Story of Ferrari's 1980 Formula One Season
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- Was it because Ferrari just wouldn't get with the times? Or was there something else going on?
Has there ever been as much of a fall off between a championship winning season and the defence season as there was for Ferrari in 1979 and 1980? How do you win a championship in one year and fail to qualify the next?
Well... Let's have a look...
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I was so proud of the title, I'm taking the rest of the day off!
Also sorry if it's a bit all over the place. I think I might have picked something up over the holiday. I blame that kid in the middle of Brownhills who just WOULD NOT cover his mouth while coughing...
Don’t apologise, you have the best channel in this genre. I’m 42 and been watching F1 all my life. My first memory was of Mansell’s tyre blow out in Adelaide’86.
You explain all the facts in a way that a simpleton like me can understand it.
It was a damn solid title.
It's always those little shits that do your head in. I'm hoping I don't get another cold for a good while as I've only just overcome most of the Covid I got when in York 4 months back except for the fact that there are times where I have difficulty swallowing food and drink without feeling as if there's a stick in my throat.
@@heliumtrophy I woke up at 2am this morning with a burning in my throat as if I’d just been sick but hadn’t. Absolutely weird.
are you from the black country(i noticed the flag)
Renault in 2007 was also a terrible title defense, with just one podium the whole season.
A rare time Alonso's hindsight got a W
I recall watching highlights of a 1980 race & thinking “Why’s Scheckter a back marker? Must be driving for a lower down team” then later learning it was a Ferrari like “HOW!?”
But Ferrari has always been at the front!
*Insert Ace Attorney-style “OBJECTION!!!!” here*
Your Yokozuna comment was good, the Ferrari was even as red as his attire
Yeah, the worst title defence in F1 history and if you thought the SF1000 was Ferrari's worst F1 car, think again.
Ferrari fans today don't know how good they've got it.
The ones who started following in the Schumacher years are like Man United fans who started supporting them cos they won all the time. Tell those Ferrari fans this season existed they won't believe you. Tell those same United fans they were relegated from Division 1 in the late 70s and they won't believe you.
@@AidanMillward One wonders why they didn't just roll out the 126C reliability be damned - it was ready in late 1980.
In terms of deficit from the ultimate pace, the 1992 Ferrari F92A was the worst Ferrari in F1 history. On average, the 1992 Ferrari was ~3% off the ultimate pace, being set mostly by Williams and McLaren. The team had horrendous reliability, going through a staggering 220 V12 engines in the season, and a lack power, contributing to a lack of straight-line speed and poor handling due to the raised centre of gravity caused by the twin floor concept. As a result, the team were fortunate to score 2 podiums, both in the hands of Jean Alesi, but poor Ivan Capelli couldn't cope with the characteristics of the F92A and was dropped for the final 3 races in favour of Nicola Larini, who drove an active suspension version of the car, F92AT, which eased some of the drivability problems, but it was woefully uncompetitive
@@SiVlog1989 Nah man the 312T5 was far worse. It DNQ’d.
@thembanjoko2844 I get the statement, however the T5 was quicker than the T4. It’s just compared to everyone else it wasn’t. I hate this in worst car conversations. Just because it didn’t win doesn’t mean it was a ‘bad’ car. It was still faster than its predecessor yknow. It’s like in 2013 everyone said go back to the 2012 McLaren, when the 2013 car was still actually quicker, just everyone else improved more.
Yes I know the aim is to win. But this perspective is required in these discussions I reckon
Villeneuve was running second in the opening race in Argentina when the suspension broke with 17 laps to go, led the opening lap in Brazil, was running 4th at Long Beach when the gearbox went at half-distance, and was right with the leaders in 4th early on at Imola when a tyre let go on the run down to Tosa, so on rare occasions Gilles WAS able to extract decent speed from the T5 🤔
Dear Aidan! Please, make a prequel to this video: why have Lotus slumped that bad in 1979--just like Ferrari year later. Not a single win after a season of being dominant.
Might have something to do with ground effect being somewhat not fully understand at the time, which resulted in the Lotus 80 being a shit car...
But yeah, I would love more episodes about the ground effect years!
And just a reminder that the 126CK for the 81 season, while some improvement from the T5, was a shitbox in terms of cornering and grip; the fact that Villeneuve got 2 wins and in tracks that did not suit the car is astonishing (Forghieri got the trick to make a turbo work in Monaco against the normally aspirated cars and compensate the turbo lag). Postlewhite would famously tell the media that once he arrived at Ferrari, found out that the 126CK had 1/4 of the aerodynamics of a Williams.
As for Scheckter, he admitted that once he won the WDC knew he was done. He wanted to retire but was talked into it by Enzo himself, so he changed his mind and got to race with the 1 in his car, as well as getting more money through sponsors.
After the season he retired for good from any form of racing (even though in about 2004 or 2005 made a one off appeareance at an exhibition race of DTM in Norisring with some other legendary F1 drivers in an agregate format race)
There was a great GE car in the 126CK. Not so much the exhausted 312 series.
By great I mean when Postlewaithe worked his magic. I barely consider the the 1980/1981 car and the 1982 car to be the same machine.
I have seen Alan Jones say that towards the end of the 79 season he was hunting around for a drive and was offered a contract by Enzo at Ferrari for the 80 season, he signed up and thought all was good but Ferrari declined to honour the contract, so come pre 80 Alan was scrambling around for a drive and was offered a contract by Frank Williams , so a fortuitous bit of skulduggery by Ferrari launched Alan Jones to World Championship glory.
Frank Williams signed Alan Jones for 1978 already and in 1979 Jones came two retirements away from being 1979 champion. Can't see why Ferrari would want to replace either Gilles Villeneuve or Scheckter for 1980 and can't see why Frank Williams wouldn't offer Jones a contract for 1980 and 1981 in late 1979. Both Williams and Patrick Head respected Alan Jones and had every intention of signing him for 1982 as well.
And why would Jones want a contract with Ferrari when it was clear that Williams had the best ground-effect car.
@@McLarenMercedesyou are correct, it was the end of the 77 season when Alan was driving for Shadow when the Ferrari contract was offered but never eventuated.
Still , Enzo pushed him in the right direction in the end.
1998 wasn't really about the change in rules with Williams though, it was about losing the Renault and Newey. Remember although Newey left at the end of 1996 the 97 car was still a Newey design and his first from scratch McLaren was the 98 car.
The interesting thing about the 1969 season was Ferrari only had one single race where two cars started and only entered two cars twice all season.
And they also skipped the German Grand Prix.
So in total they had 11 chances (not counting Ernesto Brambilla's practice at Monza) and scored 7 points.
In 1980 they had 28 chances and scored 8 points. So in my book 1980 was the worse season for Ferrari.
I remember the season well. Being a Canadian Ferrari fan was a double whammy when your boy is stuck in a slow car of the correct colour. It was a long wait for the fast car and then things got worse...
Fun Fact: There have been 3 reigning Formula One World Drivers' Champions who have failed to qualify for a World Championship race in the year following a championship win.
1: Juan Manuel Fangio. 1957 World Champion, attempted to and failed to qualify for the 1958 Indianapolis 500.
2: Jody Scheckter. 1979 World Champion, failed to qualify for the 1980 Canadian Grand Prix.
3: Nelson Piquet. 1981 World Champion, failed to qualify for the 1982 Detroit Grand Prix.
The Indy 500 was part of the F1 World Championship calendar from 1950-1960, though it was largely ignored by F1 drivers while conversely it was rare to see any of the USAC Indy drivers at Grand Prix's in Europe. Only Alberto Ascari in a V12 Ferrari (the only Ferrari to ever race in the Indy 500) in 1952 actually made a concerted effort to qualify, which he did. Fangio practiced at the Speedway in 1958 (actually classed as a Rookie, as are all who've never raced there before regardless of their credentials), but withdrew and failed to qualify when he had trouble getting up to speed. He attempted to qualify both a Kurtis-Kraft Novi and a Kurtis-Kraft Offenhauser.
aye I know you, I've seen you in the comments of a lot of old ATCC videos
Yokozuna reference? Another Chef’s Kiss 🤌🏿🤌🏿🤌🏿
I might be wrong about this but apparently Villeneuve chose to be a team player for the 1980 season with the promise that he would be given full support as the number 1 driver at Ferrari for the next season. Meaning that there's a chance that Gilles Villeneuve could have won the championship in 1979 had Ferrari let him and Scheckter both fight for the title.
If you look at the results from 1979 Villneuve was not following Scheckter to the finish like Petersen did for Andretti in 1978. In fact Villeneuve finished 1st to Scheckter 2nd twice compared to once finishing Scheckter 1st to Villeneuve 2nd.
I love GV a lot (he’s our best ever driver) but Scheckter was simply more consistent.
There is also Williams' loss of competitiveness between the 1987 & 1988 seasons, might also be worth doing a video about.
I'm guessing that was mostly due to the reactive suspension and the loss of the works Honda engines
Aidan, you are completely correct in saying the 1980 season was worse than 1969 - in 1969, Chris Amon was leading the Spanish GP from Stewart by 40 seconds when the engine expired (2nd time he had DNF'd from the lead in a race for Ferrari due to mechanical failure) . Amon was running 2nd at Monaco until his diff went (Stewart was leading but retired soon after, leaving Hill to win his 5th and final Monaco GP). Amon then left Ferrari midway through the season, with Pedro Rodriguez coming in to score 3 points in the second half of the season.
Classic Chris Amon bad luck
Jody Scheckter now lives near me in South Somerset. He owns a cheese dairy.
Common rumor is that Enzo hated aero, but facts say otherwise, at least partly.
His comment was in regards to drag, rather than downforce, it was his response to one of his drivers asking why 250 TR had such a big windshield. Basically it was "Drag isn't an issue if car is powerful". Worth noting, the race before that comment was 24H Of Le'Mans, and Ferrari won it that year, I think it was the car driven by same driver who asked the Enzo.
Ferrari was also among first teams to use rear wings, at Spa 1968, it was them and Brabham or BRM, I can't remember.
Ferrari were the first or at least one of the first to use a rear spoiler on their sports racers such as the 250TR and Dino in the early 1960s.
Enzo probably liked the F-4 Phantom then. Popular adage amongst crews was the F-4 is proof that even a brick will fly if you put big enough engines on it.
And this is how numbers 27 and 28 became Ferrari's race numbers for so many years.
I thought that Scheckter decided to stop racing in F1 after he won the title and only continued because he was under contract. Enzo was disappointed but understood why, too dangerous
i recall this from an interview, can't remember who he spoke to
Aidan, thanks for making a video I can actually enjoy watching today. Everywhere else its just April Fools repeated/unfunny stuff, and here you are with actual cool F1 stuff
SlapShoes put out a video on sumo wrestling if you want to watch that.
“All the aerodynamic properties of Yokozuna” 😂😂😂
That made my fall on the floor 😂😂😂
Mario always talked about the diff as the speed of the 78 to put folks off, it was always a smokescreen.
Actualy I think Scheckter was driving the T4 instead of the dreaded T5 in Canada... I don't think there'll be a diference in result, but still fun fact I guess
I’m fairly sure it was the T5 but it was pre-Concorde era so who knows. Wiki says T5.
Life ain’t easy as a Ferrari fan.
Tell that to a HAAS fan! LOL
@@landiahillfarm6590welp the alpine boys wanna have a word with you.
Try being a Walsall supporter but at least we won today 🤣
Or a Williams fan. Since their last win they have slumped badly.
@@reptongeek
Yeah I hear you. Though sometimes I’d almost rather a slump like Williams as opposed to the almost being there and throwing it away syndrome that Ferrari have.
@9:10 Wasn't it Jochen Rindt who said: "In a Lotus I can die or become World Champion." and bizarrely achieved both? And I think it was Graham Hill who said: "When I get overtaken by my own wheel I know that I am sitting in a Lotus."
Hill could have easily been talking about a BRM as well.
Really loved the look of the '79 Ferrari with that wing (?) cutting thru the nose.
Well done, Lad. I'm always pulled in by your presentation and well researched content. No fluff. No bluff.
I remember watching highlights of the 1980 Argentinian GP, Gilles was attacking everywhere, hustling the car, the track was falling apart and he finished in the catch fences !
Thanks for this, ive always wondered how in the world Ferrari dipped so hard from 79 to 80.
About Lotus's "trick differential" at 10:20, I heard (trust me, bro) that Lotus knew they couldn't hide the sides of their cars, so instead made a show of hiding the rear of the car. If they noticed anyone looking at the car, the mechanics would throw a rag over the gearbox and cluster around the back of the car. A genius bit of misdirection
1979 was a season full of wildly experimental cars - early era ground effect and the still-in-development Renault Turbo. Ferrari's title wins that year were a rare example of 'play it safe' emerging as the best strategy.
I'll like to point out at in that 1979 championship table you show (4:15) - the pervious years champion was Mario Andretti down in 12th place on 14 points.
Another story there?
Lotus 80 was a pile of shit too. They over engineered it, essentially.
@@AidanMillward The early version of it was a wild car - it apparently worked with psychotically stiff springs but with the caveat that the drivers wouldn't be able to keep their feet on the pedals.
I love the random wrestling references 😂
awesome video
1980…my favourite Formula 1 year!
Great informative video on Ferrari's possibly worst title defence, Aidan.
*BTW I believe there are some comments in your bots section 😅
6:33
In that sense, Ferrari got the 'Tombstone Piledriver' served by the DFV-powered ground-effect faction.
RKO outta nowhere.
@@AidanMillward And it's his birthday, today!!!
He was BORN in 1980!
I would have to go looking for a source on this, but the flat 12 wasn't the first concept Enzo had married himself to past its sell-by date. I seem to recall that he didn't care for the move away from front engine Grand Prix cars, even claiming the move could hurt road car sales. Never mind the bit where he was already selling road cars with mid-mounted engines...
And just like Yoko, the Ferrari had a BANZAI mode…..or maybe not
Ferrari knew the car was crap, faster than the T4 but no where near the Cossy powered cars. The general conciseness was once the old man lost his fight to get ground effects banned he told the engine dept to get to work on a turbo for 1981 and phoned most of 80 in. And the Lotus was a failure in 80, Chapman was so hypnotized by the 80's load numbers he was seeing in the wind tunnel he lost the plot on how to actually utilize the down force, they switched back to the 79 mid year but it was hopelessly out of date.
A classic case of resting on one's laurels. Don't forget Benetton being champions in 1995 then winning nothing the next year.
True but at least they had near misses and were reasonably competitive.
From their dominating 1972 WSC car 312 PB Forghieri understood the wide floor created downforce so he made the F1 of 1973 etc wide too. No Venturi channels yet.
I've got the irresistable urge to go put on Ventolin EP by Aphex Twin after this, I don't know why..
I don't know why, but I've always loved the way this car looked
No way you just correlated the aero properties of a Ferrari to Yokozuna lmao
ferrari tested a 6 wheel 312T2 with Carlos R. Jonathan Thompson's book Boxer has a lot of development photos of GA T3s and T4s
I wish you would the 2009 season video
I know Form>Function but holy moley the 312T5 looked as atrocious as it performed. It also had a bunch of weird chassis failures during 1980.
8:23 didn't know Williams had 4 cars
At that time it was still common for have a go heroes or local drivers to have a crack in a customer car, so long as they were paying. That all ended a couple of years later when the FIA said everyone had to build their own cars.
Yokozuna 😂😂 classic WWF
The joke was originally going to be Big Daddy V 😂
@@AidanMillward I'd have gone for Bastion Booger.
The cycle of Ferrari
This is off topic, but i've been binging your videos over the last 20 or so hours to distract from some stuff i'm dealing with. Thanks for adding another log to the fire
1962 was a pretty bad year for the Scuderia.
yeah Like BRAWN ... God didn't their defense totally suck? I mean not a single win in 2010... wow such fail ... /s
3:45
'Renault' Jabouille?? 😅
I know it’s heresy . . . Was Villeneuve any good?
Very fast but overdrove the car. If he had the chance to mature he could have been one of the greats imo
Yes. He was making this piece of garbage look better than it actually was.
To get the best out of his car he would drive it to the limit and then drive it faster to find out what happened when he passed the limit. This method meant that his smooth brain knew that he could go just so fast and his phenomenal reactions ensured that he could keep it up throughout the race.
Then came that fateful and fatal day at Zolder! 😢
But like Colin McRae. Fast but over drive it too often.
He had got a bit of death tax associated with him.
He had to drive hard given what he had. Gilles could drive smart when needed - South Africa 79, Monaco and Spain 81.
6:35 considering ive seen hiw big yokozuna is, i can tell u this is correct😭😭😭
The line was originally Viscera/Big Daddy V 😅
@@AidanMillwardlmfao
@7:50 .. 4 Wiliamses entered?
Customer cars were still a thing back then
Ascari 1954 1.1/7 there is also lotus 79 rubbish in 1979
1k to moreno!!
1k until the biggest troll in internet history happens.
and dimensions of boyh the T4 and T5
The size of Formula One cars, especially in photographs, can be deceptive.
Most people see pictures of the 1983 Ferrari 126C3 and their 1986 car the F1/86 and see they look similar with their large, bulbus and high engine cover and it leads people to think that they're the same size ... yet the 1986 car is noticeably lower when the cars are side by side. But to look at them in pictures, you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart if you were just a casual F1 fan.
Gotta love the Ferrari pics in the video
FerrarI: Sponsored by Michelin. Racing on Avons.
Avon makes all the historic tyres.
So the Ferrair at this time, looked like a 4 wheel Brick? I personally think the cars of late 70s/early 80s looked ugly. That's just me; turbo powered and sounded mean, but stylistically just awedul
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👍🏻🤙🏻🤟🏻
and I thought 2020 was a bad season for the Scuderia
= Classes in is there any way JD candidate class
The T5 was faster than the T4
Only 1000 of the forced meme episode THE HYPE
2009 Ferrari was pretty hopeless. Almost remarkable they won a race that year.
1973 was pretty bad aswell for Ferrari
Enzo Ferrari sold half of Ferrari in 1968
also, the 312 was butt-ugly (yes also the t4).
Williams and Red Bull "winning constructors championships". And that bullshit "success" somehow diminishes Ferrari? Can I buy a Williams or Red Bull "road car"?
Typical Ferrari then!
Lol Renault....RET RET RET RET RET RET 1 RET RET RET RET RET
Ferrari are arrogant assholes-BUT, they ARE F1. Without Ferrari F1-now in the hands of americans-could just be a fancy Indycar. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
A taste of things to come in 2025 for Ferrari 😮
Wow, that is one awkward-looking car.
Teams trying 6 wheeled cars in reality is embarrassing, its like letting 6y olds draw their fantasy car.