SOMEONE GET ME OUT OF HERE! The Story of Jenson Button Signing for TWO TEAMS in 2004
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- Contracts. They're tough. They're air tight, or at least, as air tight as you're gonna get. Because they need to be covered and getting out of them can be a mission.
And in a world like Formula One, you might need out for whatever reason, because something's happened or you've seen an opening. Or if you're Jenson Button, you need out because something's gone a bit wrong with how people have interpreted the clauses contained within.
Allow me to explain... Well... I'll TRY to, at least...
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The thing in the corner is because I left my headphones on my mic stand and didn't realise until I'd recorded. So instead of re-recording, just cover it up!
Unless, of course, you think it looks profesh in which case...
In Pool terms it looks 'played for'
I've seen a lot worse on screen graphics.
Alternatively, you could crop the video a little. But, no problem. This does make it harder for people who aren't you to re-upload to their Somalia-based Facebook page.
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Alan Kuwicki was the one who did the napkin contract, it was for a sponsor deal with Hooters and Hooters still hold the napkin I believe
It was Messi as well.
@AidanMillward was this during Barcelona? Didn't know this bit about him
@AidanMillward was this during Barcelona? Didn't know this bit about him
@idriscorvus2237 Yeah Messi's initial youth contract with Barcelona was written on a napkin during his visit to La Masia. The story is that Messi's father had concerns about Barca's hesitations to sign him, so during a meeting between him and Barca's then sporting director, the grabbed the only thing they had available, a napkin, and quickly wrote down an agreement to sign the 13 year old Leo Messi. There was an official contract signed shortly after, but the napkin is still considered to be Messi's first Barca contract
@@idriscorvus2237 yeah his first youth contract was done on a napkin
I'm sure Messi had a contract to join Barcelona's junior program written on a napkin. Same story with Kulwicki and Hooters in nascar back in 1991 ish.
Yeah, it was Messi I was thinking of.
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Kulwicki also went on to win the NASCAR Winston Cup Series in '92 over Bill Elliot. Also, for point of reference, Alan Kulwicki originally had another sponsor signing with Maxwell House coffee for the '91 season. But nefarious car-owner Junior Johnson took the Maxwell House sponsor from under him, after Alan refused to sign with Junior on two separate occasions. Junior also opened another team with the Maxwell House sponsor, the 22 team. The driver of the 22 btw was Sterling Marlin, who performed consistently well in both '91 & '92 despite not winning any Cup races until 1994.
@@vulkanac47Cvitanovic apparently should've signed a contract with Aston Villa or MU.
Hot take: Button's 2004 season was better than his championship winning season. Was best of the rest behind the RB20's ancestor, the F2004, was on the podium plenty of times, could have come away with a handful of victories and all the time was in the middle of a tug of war between B.A.R Honda and Williams. And to keep his head and do what he did was fantastic.
I think 2011 is his best F1 season.
@@rickyfootitt5077for me Button's best F1 seasons are from 2004 to 2006 and 2011.
I think 2011 was better with McLaren
The Williams merry-go-round of drivers in the mid-2000s was extraordinary. They’d already signed up Webber for 05, and when Button didn’t go to Williams, Frank wanted Pizzonia but BMW insisted on a German, so he got Heidfeld. Then when BMW left, they took Heidfeld with them, so Frank brought in Nico Rosberg. Webber then went back to Milton Keynes, so they had Alex Wurz, but then after he got trounced by Rosberg he upped sticks and left, so engine partners Toyota plonked Nakajima in the car. Rosberg was a saving grace for Williams because he (very quietly) put in some great drives 2007-09, without which they’d have been nowhere. Then they ended up changing drivers every season until 2015.
oddly Williams have the ability to have very best of drivers and worst drivers in a car at the same time. apart from a few years when they manage to get two rubbish drivers in but that takes real skill (pastor and Bruno come to mind)
@@michaelarmer256 Bruno was rubbish. But were miles better then Pastor.
@@Romit12Low mid tier driver for sure, but he got the consistency vs pastor's self imploding speed, pretty ironic considering his uncle
Briatore forced to leave F1, the same year JB wins the WDC is peak Karma. Remind us again, who was going to be kicked out of F1?
Jos needs banned from the paddock.
Jenson Button's 2004 to 2006 Seasons with HONDA > 2009 BRAWN GP.
In music you might be referencing the deal joy division signed with factory records in a local pub which they demanded Tony Wilson sign in his own blood
The one I was actually thinking of when I wrote that was Lionel Messi's first Barcelona contract. Probably should have googled that BEFORE but here we are :P
The napkin contract could be alan kulwicki’s sponsorshipcontract with hooters which was signed on a napkin at well hooters
The one I was thinking of was Messi.
Also the Virgin logo was based on one doodled on a napkin in a meeting and Branson being Branson, rather than paying a design agency, said "sod it that'll do"
@@michaelocyoung it’s also how Darth Sidious designed the Death Star. Just drew a circle on a napkin while in the pub.
I suppose in the end JB did the right thing in staying with BAR. Cos of course he then started winning when they were Honda, then became world champion under Brawn.
2001 Benetton car was a dog Fishicella was the best at driving a bad car like Button said.
OK so it takes a lot of hard work and incisive research to deliver consistently worthy video content. However, Aiden's calm and knowledgable output has rightly achieved recognition. Always left wanting more when a video is finished.
Unrelated but I'll never forget how bizarre but awesome it was playing a season in F1 World Championship edition and seeing Jenson somehow win a title over schumi and Alonso.
Someone needs to tell Jenson that "mate, go on, tell us everything. We need to know this kind of thing. If someone falls asleep that's their problem."
Yeah given ITVs obsession with his contract details (covered as always by Louise Goodman), I more or less agreed with Flavio at the time. I think it was an interview in F1 Racing where he outlined his flaws as a driver that I had a change of mind on him. Anyone that can be that brutally honest about himself is serious about what he does. It sounds stupid of me but this was the start of ITV becoming really nauseating in their coverage and I just hated whoever they fixated on.
If ever there was a year to show how much more the car matters than the driver, it was 2009.
David Coulthard is Scottish. Damn English, always claiming Scotlands legends as theirs! 😂
Raced under a British license tho.
The amount Hamilton is getting paid to a stupid amount. I can only DREAM of making that much
very profound as Big Zeddie is there in his f1 2004 uploads
Shout out to the big man himself been enjoying watching race highlights again
2004 was my formative years in f1 I started watching in 2003
Who is big Zeddie?
Until they get taken down that is.
@@rolux4853 TH-cam channel who’s been uploading ITV highlights of races from the early 2000s twice a week for months
Great channel to watch
@@rolux4853 he uploads f1 races from yester year www.youtube.com/@bigzeddie76
Aw the bots are up early today it seems. Either way, I'd need to go dig out Zanardi's book but I am fairly sure in that some sort of contract was hashed out on a napkin at one of the CART awards dinners as well, though don't remember if it was Alex/Chip or others howevera
I managed to get my pinned comment out before they turned up
I’m curious about the permutations of Palou’s contract mess from a few years ago that are still being flushed out…
"Frank" didn't really pluck JB from F3 at all - it was Alain Prost. Serge Saulnier was Button's team boss at Promatecme in British F3, and highly (insistently!) recommended Prost give Button a test, seeing how he was competing in a knowingly underpowered Dallara Renault and comprehensively outperforming his teammate British FRenault champion Aluizio Coelho, despite stepping direct from FFord vs FRenault.
After having tested Button; but not being able to offer Jenson a seat owing to needing to take sponsored drivers, Prost then spoke to Williams and highly recommended Button again when the Zanardi situation unfolded after the end of the 1999 season - so Williams agreed to give him a seat in the 'shootout' - (in January 2000!) between Button and Bruno Junqueira to assess who would be best to replace Zanardi for 1-season, pending Montoya to be free, having taken up his 2001 option from Ganassi.
Hi Aidan - video idea. If, and it’s a big IF, Verstappen ends up leaving Red Bull. Then Horner or whoever is basically left to choose the World Champion for 2025? I feel like something similar happened in the early 90s with all the drivers wanting to be in the McLaren or Williams? And big egos meaning lots of falling out and driver swapping. So a vid on the last time things were a bit like this?
7:55 that was a nice looking car... BMW's 1st year with Williams in 2000.
If JB won't even talk about the contract issues in his own book, that's creates a void in the backstory.
I once signed for scutleigh rovers and scutleight wanderers not at the same time but at the sme time not really at the same time scutleight town signed wourgha baerz
Florentino Pérez asked Zidane if he wanted to go to Real Madrid through a napkin too lol
£18Million to cancel a contract and win a World Championship.
Bargain.
It's likely Williams allowed Button to buy out his contract because they needed the money.
i still dont understand this contract mess jenson got into almost 20 years on. but its ok, its not as messed up as the generic bot comments trying to lure you into a scam right now.
Regarding the contract in a pub thing. I swear also there was one back in the 1960s. Maybe it was Graham Hill's once, but I similarly can't recall and can't be arsed to check. But you may also be thinking of Joy Division's famous one where they played around with Tony Wilson and got him to sign it in blood because he would famously go on about there being no need of contracts because you can leave at any point if you're dissatisfied. Joy Division didn't believe him so asked him to put that in writing and in blood.
No, it was Messi I was thinking of when he first signed for Barcelona.
@@AidanMillward Ah fair enough.
Joy Division...Factory Records contract. On a napkin, allegedly written in Tony Wilson's blood.
The specific example I was thinking of was Lionel Messi's first youth deal with Barcelona.
Music. Not a conteact, a song. Warrant - Cherry Pie.
That was a pizza box.
This gives an interesting alternate universe question. If Button signed with Williams, who'd have been the Brawn world champion?
Sato
I wonder if Aidan has started sweating. Seeing the subscriber number getting closer. Knowing he will have to do the Roberto Moreno story.
No sweating here. I have the opportunity to pull off the biggest troll in TH-cam history 😎
2K to go. WOOT WOOT!
Great video, I remember this happening years ago and thinking PLEEASE stay with BAR.
Well, given how he does indeed sum it up in his own book, you certainly can't call Jenson a liar! Can't accuse him of false promises, either! Didn't even look a single paragraph from where I'm sat, either and I'm watching on a 17" gaming laptop monitor (I really wanted a big screen! This thing's specs...)!
Jenson, we buy your book for the nitty gritty detail. Come on man lol
Jenson (Probably): "Nah, can't be bothered"
0:40 Claus Theo Gärtner (allegedly) signed a contract for playing the lead role in "A Case for Two" in a pub on a napkin (or beer mat). Gärtner was also a motor racer back in the day and raced for Mercedes-Benz, mainly in Rallyes.
I am a big Indy fan. I had no idea what went on with contracts etc. interesting and informative. Does this go on in American Indy car racing as well? Button does look a little young. I guess for teens he might be appealing. But playboy? The cars I am seeing look a bit different from Indy cars?
0:43 I remember reading a story where in 1983 Ian Gillan went to the pub with Tony Iommi and he drunkenly agreed to join Black Sabbath. He was that off his tits he apparently didn't even remember agreeing to it and his manager had to tell him what he did the next morning! He didn't sign a contract exactly but an alcohol fueled verbal agreement is close enough for me! 😂
What's The Black Country connection?? There's no hint of it in your accent!
I had a super thick accent when I was little but grew up in Lincolnshire where I wore it off.
Dad’s from Walsall, mum’s from Hamstead. I just grew up near Spalding.
in music Joy Division had a contract with factory records drawn up on a napkin in a pub and signed in Tony Wilson's blood (factory records)
I guess the advantage to the bots is that it's probably going to be counted as "engagement" by the algorithm. Just ignore them, folks (unless Aidan wants a sh*t load of complaints from us to someone?)
I remember there being the mix-up (I'll keep it legal) with JB's contracts. I also remember feeling lousy for him being stuck at BAR. I seem to remember Frank having a lousy reputation when it came to contracts. JB wasn't the first to be shafted.
Still, it eventually worked out, as you said. I recall other drivers, including Lewis, not being surprised by him being "good enough" (press talk rather than drivers) to win the championship because he'd looked up to JB when they were karting. Apparently Jensen was better than Lewis and pretty much everyone else - according to the latter named. I am in no position to argue with him!
As ever, top job, Aidan. Hope the reactions calm down soon. If the books are musty, even a bit (and it only really works on a bit IIRC) mouldy, put each one in its own bag, seal it thoroughly and freeze it. I'm talking a few days at least (trying to dig up my memories of 30+ years ago when I used to fix books in a town library). I am sure I heard that will kill off many moulds, and should kill off the little book mites that eat paper and leave books really dusty. That's probably the main outcome from doing it. Then get someone to give the books a shake out before they defrost!
BBV10s is a really great podcast - I totally respect you for wanting to do your own research and form your own opinions, but it is peak podcasting.
Im fairly positive a few drivers over the years have signed Napkins to represent contracts , didn't Johnny Herbert sign 1 when speaking to Flavio about his Benetton move if not it was 1 of the other teams he drove for.
Chip Ganassi tried to do a contract on a napkin for Dario Franchitti in 2009. Dario told him no no repeatedly.
Eventually they got something else worked out later.
It took until now to notice the guitars and amps in the background... do you have any musical secrets?
Why the F is there so much bots in this comment section,I swear that I can’t read the comments normally,great video though btw!
Nice coincidence. Just days ago I found the brochure of the MP12C in one of my boxes, JB and Lulu were McLarens faces back in the day!
When I was on the phone and see Jensen Button and getting me out of here (can't see the rest of the video title) I thought it was about that one time he was kidnapped in Brazil.
The Black Crowes signed a _diagram_ on a paper napkin - valid contract.
Chip Ganassi and Dario Franchitti almost finalized a cocktail napkin contract.
I listened to his book as an audiobook but it is a fantastic listen, as is Dave Grohl - Storyteller
Wasn't expecting to see 90% of the comments about napkins
It was actually Messi who had his first contract written on a napkin
Lewis Hamilton hearing all this talk of “owning people” 👁️👄👁️
This is very similar to what happened with another British driver Dario Franchitti back in 2008/2009 across not only two different teams but two different series in NASCAR & Indycar. Dario had decided after the 2007 Indycar season (where he won both the Indy 500 & the title) that he would take a break from Indycar & try his hand in NASCAR full time. He had already entered some Xfinity Series (NASCAR's second tier series) & ARCA races in 2007 on Indycar's off weekends to gain experience in racing stock cars & had signed a contract with Chip Ganassi to race for him in the Cup Series. However despite this, Dario was also still under contract with Andretti in Indycar even though he was taking a break from the series. This would cause a major controversy when Dario decided to rejoin Indycar for the 2009 season (after an awful stint in NASCAR where he broke his leg at Talladega) with Ganassi instead of Andretti & Andretti immediately accused Ganassi of contract tampering because they added a provision in Dario's NASCAR contract that stated that if NASCAR didn't work out for Dario, he could drive for Ganassi's Indycar team. It got so messy that Indycar had to step in & basically ruled that because Dario had taken 2008 off, it voided the contract he had with Andretti & he could sign with any team for 2009.
More similar to Alex Palou 'moving from' Ganassi to Arrow-McLaren I'd suggest.
Similar thing happened to David Coulthard once. He originally signed for McLaren for 1995 but the Contracts Recognition Board ruled in favour of Williams.
Williams should have signed Mansell for 1995.
The napkin contract was between Nelson Piquer and Frank Williams in the end of 1985
It was Messi that I was thinking of.
Alan Kulwicki actually signed for his Hooters sponsorship on a Napkin in 1991!
Yeah, the exact case I was thinking of was Lionel Messi's first youth contract at Barcelona.
I know Messi signed his first deal with Barcelona as a youth player on a napkin.
Yeah I was thinking of Messi.
Wasn't the smartest moment in Button's career.
Villeneuve’s boy band comment is ironic because an American woman once mistook JB for Chris Martin!
Villeneuve’s boy band comment is ironic considering his bleached tips...
Oh yeah one minute he looked like Boyzone/Westlife, then post F1 started looking like Moby!
The napkin contract is the infamous contract between alan kullwicky and hooters, in 1991, where he signed a sponsor deal for the following race
I was talking about Messi 😅
I believe Dario's Indycar comeback after his NASCAR stint was also a napkin contract
@@BrentonStirm there are definetly more but one i can remember is the alan killwicky one
Another good one M8y!!
'The Car is a dog'
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last warning Mr Prost
Messi napkin
Yep.
Loving the watermark in the corner
Excelent video.
Jenson Button, the MOST hyped and overrated driver in modern F1 history! Wasn't even a decent F1 driver. (And im BIG fan of British drivers) great video though, first one for me!
Charles Leclerc has entered the chat.
@@AidanMillward jajaja I think Leclerc can be an amazing driver if he grows a pair. Has the Knowledge to take down Verstappen, and sometimes have had the car, but for some reason doesn't have the 🏀🏀
I think that napkin contract you're thinking of was Tony Wilson's Factory Records contract with Joy Division
It was Messi at Barcelona
Aahhh that’s one side of the story………
Suffering for your art, having to delve into old books that set your allergies off 🥲
Only for this video to be ranked 9/10 in the last 28 days 😩
@@AidanMillward F in the chat 🙃