"I don't want to risk the death of my friend Sarah Lyons, and I don't need to pointlessly sacrifice myself because my second friend is completely immune to radiation, he recognizes this and is honored to "change destiny" and go into this heavily irradiated chamber to do this for us and save both our lives." Fallout 3: _"lol ur a coward"_
Fawkes just looks at you like “it’d be a much cooler story if you went in there and died, but hey I won’t judge.” Though I’m guessing the ending doesn’t know the difference between sending fawkes and anyone else and assumes you sacrifice someone to save yourself.
The player: "Hey my guy,You're immune to radiation unlike both me and Sarah,go on and activate project purity" Fawkes: Okay The game: "So that fucking vault coward"
Consider that the "good guys" for the game are a bunch of macho dumbasses very badly playing at hero, and you can see where the game's rationality is judged from.
Because Emil is a terrible writer? You can thank him for the nonsense uninspired main story in fallout 3 and 4. Even 76 was a better main story, still written by him, but it's mostly non existent (that's why it's better😂) Thankfully he doesn't write everything, that's why the side quests seem better than the main quest😂
If I could rewrite the last ending: "So, the Vault dweller was faced with a choice. Sacrifice his companion as a coward would do, or sacrifice himself as his father once did. Ultimately however, the Vault dweller chose a simpler, and more rational approach. With the help of his mutant ally, he averted the untimely death that would have happened to him. That day, three hero's emerged from the project purity facility. One of valor, one of strength, and one of ration."
Would require them to get Ron Perlman back to record some lines, which they obviously wouldn't do, because that'd require them to pay his expenses again.
@Pacster15 I wish I could like this more than once and for what it's worth this is now 100% my head cannon regardless of what the game says, thanks for that!
Lone wanderer: good karma, saves countless people, improves the lives of everyone nearby, etc Ron Perlman: You didn’t kill your self unnecessarily, for the sole purpose of satisfying my idea of what your destiny should have been? You’re no hero, the REAL hero is…. A guy who pressed three buttons in a room full of energy that literally healed him.
Literally all they had to do was prevent your companion from coming with you into the purifier room. How nobody at Bethesda thought of this is baffling
@@harleyleedavidson8751i think maybe they would have changed the dialogue for this instance, after all he acknowledges that he will be ok and he does not die in the room. Its just another detail of many that Bethesda missed.
Even with Fawkes refusing to go into the chamber because it's "YoUr DeStInY", they could've written that part so much better! Hell, have Fawkes start going haywire because of the extreme radiation coming from the chamber. Or even just have him say "my fingers are too fat for the buttons". ANYTHING is better than blatantly telling the player no "because plot".
Honestly yeah. Fawkes fingers are too big for the buttons, charon refuses to do it because its not in his contract, and RL3 doesnt have hands to begin with, therefore sending any other companion into the purifier is a bad karma ending.
To even make more sense to you two with yours valable reasons, all Bethesda had to do was telling the player that the buttons in the purifier chamber could respond and work only with an human fingerprint, disallowing the actual lazy endings of fawkes, charon and sergent rl-3 of where they have no life threatening radiation repercution but still getting blamed on ourself and called a coward for thinking rationally. That's it. It would even add up to their overused trope of being a selfless hero to save humanity.
@@naj289 I dont think thats as much of a magic bullet as you think it is. Why would anyone install a fingerprint to only be used by humans? If James wanted to recruit any non human into his project hed have to complete rework his security system.
I would say this is the most based ending possible. A super mutant "flipping the switch" to start the first step on healing the Wasteland and giving hope to all of mankind? Come on Ron Pearlman, no need to do me dirty like that for Fawkes's sake.
The fact the game acts like ur not willing to sacrifice when u literally dont have to? Why kilk yourself for a noble cause when you can have someone or something else do the same job without the same sacrifice? I always found that logic janky
@@kingofhearts3185 Ok Fawkes I need you to go into the chamber and activate the purifier. Fawkes: "I'm sorry, my companion, but no." Wow thanks. Okay RL-3? RL-3: "Soldier you ought to be ashamed of yourself." You too! Fine Charon, your immune too right? Charon: "I've saved your sorry *** enough. This one's all you." OH WOW ****ING THANKS GUYS. HERE'S FIVE BUCKS GET IN THERE! Charon: "As my employer, I am obliged to honor your request." Fawkes: "Ah, of course" RL-3: "Sir, yes sir!" **Mumbling** I hope you bastards rot in there.
It's easily the weakest part of the entire game. And in the baseline game, before DLC? Yeah. Fawkes won't go in. He just says some shit about how this is your thing to do and won't go. It's absolute shit tier writing
Because Bethesda writers are obviously not the brightest... The whole reason a sacrifice is noble is because it's necessary and there's no options left, if it's not justified and you have more options then it's just bullshit. Imagine if Noble Team from Halo Reach had other options and could've avoided their deaths but chose to do it anyway because "muh destiny" bullshit. So fucking stupid
That ending be like dating a narcissist who you done everything good for but as soon as you don’t do that one thing, you never did anything and they move on to the next person lol
Fawkes: You helped me change my fate, I shall return the favor for the betterment of the wasteland Tod Howard: YoU coWArD! How dare you think rationally
FYI: The original game ending, Fawkes REFUSED to do it. The game literally gave you the platter to solve the problem, but he refused. You can only get the Fawkes ending with the Broken Steel DLC where there's post-plot activities to do, like finishing the Enclave. They just didn't get Ron Perlman to redo his lines.
@@Laozi_Sparta The writing teams for Bethesda are historically bad at conclusions. They are somehow incredibly contrived at the same time as being foolish, unsatisfying, heartbreaking (not in a good bittersweet way either) and generally just awful. It is their weak point. Granted there have been exceptions, but sometimes the narrative pays the price somewhere else. Trade offs is the watchword for Bethesda titles and I think it's mostly down to their development cycle, which is how do we say? Unrealistic expectations.
I hate how the game shits on you for being smart "what's that? You didn't wanted to die in the chamber so you sent someone IMUNE to radiation, what a little bitch"
@@superdaora9762 same! Even though I’ve faced mutants, slavers, and crazy doses of radiation, suddenly I’M a coward for wanting to do something smart for once!
Hey Ron, could I get you back in the booth for a minute? Yeah, just one line, I promise. Here, your line is : "And so, a monster once made to destroy the wasteland, swayed by the one person to remind him of his humanity, changed. A servant to the Master and the Unity died that day, and in his place stood Fawkes, hero of the capital. Humanity flourished because a mutant chose a new destiny, and at last, the wastes could begin to heal."
I love how the game calls you a bit*h for not going in there yourself even tho you had a literall super mutant companion, to whom radiation is not even a minor inconviniecne
Normal People: "Sure, let Fawkes do it, he is a Super Mutant aftet all and I've done countless things for him already" Bethesda: "NOO BUT YOU ARE OUR HERO, THE CHOOSEN ONE, YOU NEED TO SACRIFICE YOURSELF FOR A DRAMATIC ENDING, YOU AND THE ADVENTURE ENDS IN THE SAME PLACE, JUST LIKE IN THE MOVIES"
"How dare you not needlessly die in the same matter your father did! Choosing to send in a radiation immune companion is the cowards way. They're the true hero, not you." Like I honestly don't understand why the game is so hung up on you dying in there
In the original version Fawkes would just refuse to go in, because it's your destiny. Also, it's the same voice lines you get for sending what's her name in there. They just didn't bother to record new ones when adding the option to send Fawkes in
@@AmraithNR He refuses if you don't have the Broken Steel DLC. This was added after the fact. I guess they were too lazy to record new lines, so they used the cowards route for this one as well.
@@harveywallbanger3123I think is cause of the technical side, they'll need to record and implement new narration lines for the ending also. I think they could at least let Fawkes' voice actor respond in a different way other than the "destiny" bs, but I assume he's unavailable that time for change.
Like why is game insulting only me for not sacrificing myself when Sarah was literally there with me and even she didn't want to. Imo, Fawkes sacrificing himself not only lets you survive but to me, it's showing the Brotherhood that a Super Mutant can be a hero and aren't just considered monsters
I think it would have been interesting if they kept in Fawkes refusing to help, and in Broken Steel you can get payback. "Sorry Fawkes, I'd help you, but just like you did for me at the purifier, I've arbitrarily decided it's your destiny to die here and now"
They didnt bring back Ron to record a new line, Fawkes refuses in the base game so they used a line already in the base game, which was for human companions
Well, if Fallout 3 taught me anything, it's that killing yourself even when there are other options is heroic, and using your head to find alternative solutions that benefit everyone is for cowards
After seeing you recently only did the Bad Karma route encounters, like fraternizing in Andale or ending megaton, I am glad to see you not poisoning the wastes with mutated FEV and even getting the good Karma Slides. It is still somewhat anticlimactic given your usual content - I very much expected to see narrating Liam Neeson get mini nuked during the last seconds of this clip.
“Instead of needlessly dying the player chose to send in someone who will be fine afterwards like a DUMB STUPID IDIOT WHY DID YOU EVEN PLAY THIS GAME?! War never changes…”
Still terrible writing from Bethesda honestly. The player doesn't NEED to sacrifice himself in this situation when he's literally got a super mutant ally that's IMMUNE to the radiation!
People defend the cutscene for its voice over because they didn’t want to / financially couldn’t get Ron Pearlman to do extra lines for the dlc, however it’s still inexcusable because the game literally ACKNOWLEDGED the possibility of Fawkes / Charon doing it in the main game before the dlc was even released and it was even worse because they pointlessly made them say “no I won’t” (even though it makes absolutely ZERO sense character wise for Charon to say no, it’s literally against his entire character). That’s not just bad game direction or bad writing, that’s just brain dead to take a perfectly logical narrative choice that avoids any negative consequences for good people and yourself, take the time to write the dialogue and get the voice actors to talk about the choice, but completely railroad you not being able to do it for absolutely no reason in particular in the eyes of the characters JUST so you can hammer in a half-ass self sacrifice motif. It makes me glad that they’ve changed writers for fallout games since 3 and 4 because clearly the people who were previous writing the game just didn’t understand how an RPG is meant to work.
I still remember as a kid getting blindsided and confused by this ending after 50 hours of gameplay. It was years later I learned about the original pre-DLC ending and how Bethesda decided to be petty morons salty at everyone for having fair criticism of their extremely poor writing. Rather than actually fix the glaring error (like maybe they just prevent Fawkes from joining you in that final section somehow) they decided they're OK with tricking first time players to ruin their ending by clicking the middle dialog choice that is THE ONLY REASONABLE OPTION. The game teaches you multiple times Fawkes can do this and he literally scolds you if you don't use him to retrieve the GECK from highly similar situation. What a life lesson, Bethesda writers call people cowards for not wanting to un-alive themselves. It's really not the own they think it is.
Imagine how much more positive public opinion about super mutants and ghouls would be if they learned a ghoul/mutant is the one who brought free purified water to the Wasteland.
lone wanderer: hey can you start the purifier, you're inmune to radiation so that shouldn't be a problem right? fawkes: yea sure i can do it (turns it on) fallout 3: youre a fuckin coward lol
They say Fawkes is a true hero but who was the one who managed to bring Fawkes as a follower? Who was the one who brought in someone with the ability to be immune to radiation? And who made the call to have Fawkes go and activate the Purifier because of their abilities?
It's strange, isn't it? You decide rationally, let your obviously superior friend do the risky and deadly job who is willingly accepting it and the game is like "You don't want to kill yourself therefore you are not a Hero!" Dude! We faced a huge number of enemies, we safed the DC wasteland and made it a better place without killing our friends or ourself! Win-Win-Win right? Bethesda: NO! 😂😂😂
Ah. I see now. It's literally the "Send Sarah Lyons" ending dialogue, replayed over Fawks going in (Or, as I call it, the Coward and Evil morality ending). Because they couldn't get Ron Pearlman to redo a new line or two toward the Fawks ending (I'd call it the Neutral and Honest Heart path). My guess would be that Ron was probably busy with other projects, or otherwise. So, really, if given the wording here. It'd play out the same, if they could have gotten Ron to redo for a third ending. But. Beggars can't be choosers these days, or, granted, back in the earlier day of when Broken Steel happened.
If memory serves,if your karma is good enough and you have all three DLC's. You get an ending where you wake up at the BOS base where Sarah Lyons tells the wanderer. That after activating Project Purity" they retrieve your body. Which is still alive but basically on death's doorstep and that it was a close call. But they managed to save your life.
“You see. They could’ve died. But they did the smart thing. Therefore, they are cowards and the real hero is your super mutant resident who’s make sure that the wasteland doesn’t lose one of its greatest defenders.”
The fact the game insults the player for sacrificing a companion even thought it was like every choice the player make, the game forces the player to sacrifice himself is soo stupid
Greatest of virtues... Sacrifice... Yeah Fawkeys sacrifice 30 SECOND OF HIS LIFE, KICK THE APPARATUS BECAUSE OF IMPATIENT AND HAVE BEEN NEED TO REMEMBER 4 COUNT CODE, GAME: """""TRUE HERO""""
I thought that one of the main reasons for teaming up with Fawkes was so he could activate the purifier since he's immune to radition. But Fallout calls you a punk ass bitch if you don't sacrifice yourself for no reason at all.
This game calls you a coward because it’s written like a fantasy game. Boy leaves his village to ultimately for fill his destiny in saving the world but along the way faces against black knights, orcs and other creatures. It’s a black and white story of good vs evil.
I feel like a good person could continue to do more good things if they aren't dead. Not sure why dying after just one step towards fixing a very broken world is supposed to be the courageous and moral choice.
Lone Wanderer makes a logical decision to not pointlessly sacrifice one of his dear friends or himself when another friend is willing to complete a task that is perfectly safe for him to do… Ron Pearlman: “So the Lone Wanderer, in a cowardly act of selfishness…” Lone Wanderer: “You want to say that again to my face Ronnie?!”
"But the child refused to follow their father's selfless example." Because there is an obvious solution that doesn't require suicide. It's one thing if suicide is the only option, but something like this? It wouldn't be selfless, it would be wasteful and stupid.
"How dare you not needlessly unalive yourself so you can continue helping the wasteland thrive even past this moment? This immediatately disqualifies you as a hero despite everything you have done" Whoever wrote that story part has some problems.
I literally was baffled to see the ending's logic to shitting on the lone wanderer, he is still the hero? Because if he didn't met Fawkes at vault 87 and partnered with him, none of it would've had happened. Why would you call Fawkes a true hero? He wouldn't have done anything even knowing the project purity for godsake and just staying in vault 87 forever listening to the rambles of his stupid mutant peers but thanks to the lone wanderer, it was they who showed him the path and really changed Fawkes perspective on the world. I mean it's not just Fawkes, every companion you would meet would certainly changed for the better if not for the lone wanderer and forever making the capital wasteland a better place in the end even when not sacrificing himself for a *noble* (my ass) cause. The impact to the wasteland is enough to call himself a hero and would've save elder lyons in the later years but NOoooOo the narrator would call you shit because you weren't following daddy's footsteps on dying.
I actually tried doing this - this weekend. But it bugs out when I send Fakes in and it ends up blowing up bc he just stands at the console and doesn't enter anything. :(
Yeah, real good fuckin' ending right there Bethesda! You give me such companions as a ghoul, a super mutant, and a robot and you still expect me to do the stupid thing of going into a highly irradiated chamber when I have 3 options for companions who each are not affected by radiation. I mean, maybe there could be a consequence in broken steel where our Mr. Gutsy essentially dies to the shock wave I guess? It's an EMP right? Anyways, pretty much the thing that ruins the good ending is the game still calls you a pussy for doing something sensible. Get the bad ending, least it's fun being an evil bastard. Hell, you're probably even doin' a lot more good in the world too. I don't mean like blow up Megaton, even though that town's just a rule of cool place that doesn't make any sense, or even sell out those escaped slaves who wanna rebuild the Lincoln memorial and then help destroy any effigies to lincoln. I mean just go around doing the other evil options, like enslaving raiders and Talon Company, steal, eat people, convince a kid to steal store products for you, steal from the stores your self at night with a stealth boy activated and then sell off the goods elsewhere. Edit: Also, nuke the Brotherhood of Steel, cause you know how those bastards turn out in Fallout 4.
Oh right because all my other deeds as a hero are negated by a mutant who was immune radiation pressed 3 buttons that i told him to do. No i need to go die like a loser just like my moronic father, great writing Todd Howard bravo.
I don’t think this is bad at all, just some top tier trolling from bethesda. Wished more games had shit like this in their story. In the end, Fawkes was the true hero of wasteland.
@@vlim5601 If that's the case then they must've REALLY tried hard to try and make it look natural and that's why it looks so clunky. It looks like mocap because of the way he's constantly moving with his hands and the way his head moves. Not to mention that kick too, it looks like mocap as there's wayyy too much movement for it to be hand animated.
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"I don't want to risk the death of my friend Sarah Lyons, and I don't need to pointlessly sacrifice myself because my second friend is completely immune to radiation, he recognizes this and is honored to "change destiny" and go into this heavily irradiated chamber to do this for us and save both our lives."
Fallout 3: _"lol ur a coward"_
Yeah I was like wtf he's immune to radiation
"Instead allowing a true hero to enter"
Ron Perlman is a Unity fanboy I knew it
I love that even though you paid an extra £/$5.00 for the chance to keep playing after finishing the main quest; the game shames you for it. LMAO!!!
Fawkes just looks at you like “it’d be a much cooler story if you went in there and died, but hey I won’t judge.”
Though I’m guessing the ending doesn’t know the difference between sending fawkes and anyone else and assumes you sacrifice someone to save yourself.
@@Professional_Ghost If you have the DLC you don't die when you enter it yourself, the slides just shit on you for being logical
The player: "Hey my guy,You're immune to radiation unlike both me and Sarah,go on and activate project purity"
Fawkes: Okay
The game: "So that fucking vault coward"
Right?! Why couldnt it be; And So It Was that Fawkes the Super Mutant saved his friend the Lone Wanderer from certain death.
Why must I get insulted by the game for thinking rationally
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Consider that the "good guys" for the game are a bunch of macho dumbasses very badly playing at hero, and you can see where the game's rationality is judged from.
Because Emil is a terrible writer? You can thank him for the nonsense uninspired main story in fallout 3 and 4. Even 76 was a better main story, still written by him, but it's mostly non existent (that's why it's better😂) Thankfully he doesn't write everything, that's why the side quests seem better than the main quest😂
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@Remnant No agenda, it's just dumb writting they wanted to force. The "Feel Special" trope
If I could rewrite the last ending:
"So, the Vault dweller was faced with a choice. Sacrifice his companion as a coward would do, or sacrifice himself as his father once did. Ultimately however, the Vault dweller chose a simpler, and more rational approach. With the help of his mutant ally, he averted the untimely death that would have happened to him. That day, three hero's emerged from the project purity facility. One of valor, one of strength, and one of ration."
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Would require them to get Ron Perlman back to record some lines, which they obviously wouldn't do, because that'd require them to pay his expenses again.
@@oneblacksun In another year AI deepfakes should be good enough where modders can have full games worth of new dialog spit out and be just as good.
Deltarune multiverse be like.
@Pacster15 I wish I could like this more than once and for what it's worth this is now 100% my head cannon regardless of what the game says, thanks for that!
Fawkes is clearly a TRUE hero, unlike that cowardly Lone Wanderer not wanting to die from easily avoidable radiation.
Lone wanderer: good karma, saves countless people, improves the lives of everyone nearby, etc
Ron Perlman: You didn’t kill your self unnecessarily, for the sole purpose of satisfying my idea of what your destiny should have been? You’re no hero, the REAL hero is…. A guy who pressed three buttons in a room full of energy that literally healed him.
Literally all they had to do was prevent your companion from coming with you into the purifier room.
How nobody at Bethesda thought of this is baffling
Ron Perlman: "Me and Todd snorted a bunch of blow, and we've decided you're a coward because you screwed up Todd's narrative."
@@harveywallbanger3123Ron pearlman just read the crappy scripted that was handed to him by Emil and god Howard
@@harleyleedavidson8751i think maybe they would have changed the dialogue for this instance, after all he acknowledges that he will be ok and he does not die in the room. Its just another detail of many that Bethesda missed.
Even with Fawkes refusing to go into the chamber because it's "YoUr DeStInY", they could've written that part so much better! Hell, have Fawkes start going haywire because of the extreme radiation coming from the chamber. Or even just have him say "my fingers are too fat for the buttons". ANYTHING is better than blatantly telling the player no "because plot".
Honestly yeah. Fawkes fingers are too big for the buttons, charon refuses to do it because its not in his contract, and RL3 doesnt have hands to begin with, therefore sending any other companion into the purifier is a bad karma ending.
To even make more sense to you two with yours valable reasons, all Bethesda had to do was telling the player that the buttons in the purifier chamber could respond and work only with an human fingerprint, disallowing the actual lazy endings of fawkes, charon and sergent rl-3 of where they have no life threatening radiation repercution but still getting blamed on ourself and called a coward for thinking rationally. That's it. It would even add up to their overused trope of being a selfless hero to save humanity.
@@naj289 I dont think thats as much of a magic bullet as you think it is. Why would anyone install a fingerprint to only be used by humans? If James wanted to recruit any non human into his project hed have to complete rework his security system.
@@LucyWest370
Also RL3 is insane so him refusing makes sense.
@@beastwarsFTW hed just say he outranks you and send you into the purifier lol
I would say this is the most based ending possible. A super mutant "flipping the switch" to start the first step on healing the Wasteland and giving hope to all of mankind?
Come on Ron Pearlman, no need to do me dirty like that for Fawkes's sake.
The fact the game acts like ur not willing to sacrifice when u literally dont have to? Why kilk yourself for a noble cause when you can have someone or something else do the same job without the same sacrifice?
I always found that logic janky
The worst part is we needed a dlc in order to send companions in
@@kingofhearts3185 Ok Fawkes I need you to go into the chamber and activate the purifier.
Fawkes: "I'm sorry, my companion, but no."
Wow thanks. Okay RL-3?
RL-3: "Soldier you ought to be ashamed of yourself."
You too! Fine Charon, your immune too right?
Charon: "I've saved your sorry *** enough. This one's all you."
OH WOW ****ING THANKS GUYS. HERE'S FIVE BUCKS GET IN THERE!
Charon: "As my employer, I am obliged to honor your request."
Fawkes: "Ah, of course"
RL-3: "Sir, yes sir!"
**Mumbling** I hope you bastards rot in there.
It's easily the weakest part of the entire game. And in the baseline game, before DLC? Yeah. Fawkes won't go in. He just says some shit about how this is your thing to do and won't go. It's absolute shit tier writing
Because Bethesda writers are obviously not the brightest... The whole reason a sacrifice is noble is because it's necessary and there's no options left, if it's not justified and you have more options then it's just bullshit. Imagine if Noble Team from Halo Reach had other options and could've avoided their deaths but chose to do it anyway because "muh destiny" bullshit. So fucking stupid
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That ending be like dating a narcissist who you done everything good for but as soon as you don’t do that one thing, you never did anything and they move on to the next person lol
This is too accurate 🤣
Or just being a friend with one, as it turns out.
Fawkes: You helped me change my fate, I shall return the favor for the betterment of the wasteland
Tod Howard: YoU coWArD! How dare you think rationally
Virgin Howard vs Chad Fawkes
I like the irony of a super mutant saving capital wasteland, this will be a touchy subject in Arthur Maxson's brotherhood
Fawkes crip walkin on that purifier cuh
Didn't get a word of that.
@engineer gaming 🚶♂️🚶♂️
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@@iim4xii129you need the [High Melanin] trait to understand that
@@frostbytetm7452 he doesn't speak brain damage
What 19 year old wouldn't want to die when he doesn't have to?
Game shitting on you for choosing the most sensible option
FYI: The original game ending, Fawkes REFUSED to do it. The game literally gave you the platter to solve the problem, but he refused.
You can only get the Fawkes ending with the Broken Steel DLC where there's post-plot activities to do, like finishing the Enclave. They just didn't get Ron Perlman to redo his lines.
With the DLC or without it, Bethesda's writing is still terrible.
I remember that, first time coming to this point I remembered: "isnt Fawkes immune To radiation? Why dafaq cant I sent his ass in there??"
Strange... Then, did I buy an altered copy with the DLC? How lucky of me haha
@@Laozi_Sparta Dat is correct.
the hbomberguy video essay fully delves into fallout 3's mediocrity.
@@Laozi_Sparta
The writing teams for Bethesda are historically bad at conclusions. They are somehow incredibly contrived at the same time as being foolish, unsatisfying, heartbreaking (not in a good bittersweet way either) and generally just awful. It is their weak point. Granted there have been exceptions, but sometimes the narrative pays the price somewhere else.
Trade offs is the watchword for Bethesda titles and I think it's mostly down to their development cycle, which is how do we say? Unrealistic expectations.
I thought when you said it was the good ending, you meant that you wouldn’t get insulted at the end of the slideshow.
I hate how the game shits on you for being smart "what's that? You didn't wanted to die in the chamber so you sent someone IMUNE to radiation, what a little bitch"
@@superdaora9762 tbh, I think they just didn't want to record another voice line
@@superdaora9762 same! Even though I’ve faced mutants, slavers, and crazy doses of radiation, suddenly I’M a coward for wanting to do something smart for once!
@@someguy2819 probably, but it’s still annoying how they call you a coward.
And now you know why he finds it simpler to be a psychopath
Hey Ron, could I get you back in the booth for a minute? Yeah, just one line, I promise. Here, your line is :
"And so, a monster once made to destroy the wasteland, swayed by the one person to remind him of his humanity, changed. A servant to the Master and the Unity died that day, and in his place stood Fawkes, hero of the capital. Humanity flourished because a mutant chose a new destiny, and at last, the wastes could begin to heal."
I love how the game calls you a bit*h for not going in there yourself even tho you had a literall super mutant companion, to whom radiation is not even a minor inconviniecne
Normal People: "Sure, let Fawkes do it, he is a Super Mutant aftet all and I've done countless things for him already"
Bethesda: "NOO BUT YOU ARE OUR HERO, THE CHOOSEN ONE, YOU NEED TO SACRIFICE YOURSELF FOR A DRAMATIC ENDING, YOU AND THE ADVENTURE ENDS IN THE SAME PLACE, JUST LIKE IN THE MOVIES"
Normal People: But he’s outright IMMUNE to radiation, that makes him perfect to input the code!
Bethesda: FINE, HE’LL PUT THE CODE IN, COWARD!
Honestly it should've been if you're bad Karma Fawkes wont do it for you
He seems like the kind of guy
"How dare you not needlessly die in the same matter your father did! Choosing to send in a radiation immune companion is the cowards way. They're the true hero, not you." Like I honestly don't understand why the game is so hung up on you dying in there
Don't really feel like your dad would be happy either if his 19 year old offspring went the same way he did even when given options
Because Emil Pagliarulo is a terrible writer who happens to be one of Todd's personal best friends.
In the original version Fawkes would just refuse to go in, because it's your destiny.
Also, it's the same voice lines you get for sending what's her name in there. They just didn't bother to record new ones when adding the option to send Fawkes in
@@AmraithNR He refuses if you don't have the Broken Steel DLC. This was added after the fact. I guess they were too lazy to record new lines, so they used the cowards route for this one as well.
@@harveywallbanger3123I think is cause of the technical side, they'll need to record and implement new narration lines for the ending also. I think they could at least let Fawkes' voice actor respond in a different way other than the "destiny" bs, but I assume he's unavailable that time for change.
They probably just didn't want to pay Ron Pearlman for more lines
Like why is game insulting only me for not sacrificing myself when Sarah was literally there with me and even she didn't want to.
Imo, Fawkes sacrificing himself not only lets you survive but to me, it's showing the Brotherhood that a Super Mutant can be a hero and aren't just considered monsters
I think it would have been interesting if they kept in Fawkes refusing to help, and in Broken Steel you can get payback. "Sorry Fawkes, I'd help you, but just like you did for me at the purifier, I've arbitrarily decided it's your destiny to die here and now"
"Help me, friend!"
"My companion, I cannot. It is your destiny to die here, and I would be a fool to change that fate."
@@yazidefirenze With him being all "Oh come on, I said I was sorry"
I let him do it cause I wanted to share the glory, doesn't that ultimately make me the true hero?
Selfish for sending someone who cannot die of radiation to press a few buttons… Yeah such a hero 🤦♂️
The only game where you get insulted for thinking rationally.
They didnt bring back Ron to record a new line, Fawkes refuses in the base game so they used a line already in the base game, which was for human companions
Well, if Fallout 3 taught me anything, it's that killing yourself even when there are other options is heroic, and using your head to find alternative solutions that benefit everyone is for cowards
"they're the real heros, not you."
Bethesda, heroism doesn't always have to be about sacrifice
He didn't feel any different so to Double check if it worked he Kicked the damn thing.
for a second I thought he forgot the code and entered it wrong lol
now THAT would be an ending.
@@SadButter that would be an hilarious alternative lmao
After seeing you recently only did the Bad Karma route encounters, like fraternizing in Andale or ending megaton, I am glad to see you not poisoning the wastes with mutated FEV and even getting the good Karma Slides.
It is still somewhat anticlimactic given your usual content - I very much expected to see narrating Liam Neeson get mini nuked during the last seconds of this clip.
"Charon, start the purifier."
Charon: "K."
Game: "Coward. You should've died."
1:56 "Work you piece of shit!"
Yo It's Tony the Tiger.
"I HATE THESE PEOPLE"
As long as the Lone Wanderer doesn't claim that HE himself activated the Purifier I see no bad in this.
I honestly don't care what the writers think or anyone else...but when Ron Perlman says I'm not a hero...💀
That litle kick to the machine, fawkes you a master dude
IRONIC that a DLC called BROKEN Steel was needed to FIX the FLAWED scriptwriting for Fallout 3...
STOP GASLIGHTING ME, BETHESDA!!! 😭😭😭
"I would say that your destiny lies in that chamber..."
You already did. Before I got the GOTY edition.
1:55 That kick. LoL
I had never noticed that.
“Instead of needlessly dying the player chose to send in someone who will be fine afterwards like a DUMB STUPID IDIOT WHY DID YOU EVEN PLAY THIS GAME?! War never changes…”
Still terrible writing from Bethesda honestly. The player doesn't NEED to sacrifice himself in this situation when he's literally got a super mutant ally that's IMMUNE to the radiation!
People defend the cutscene for its voice over because they didn’t want to / financially couldn’t get Ron Pearlman to do extra lines for the dlc, however it’s still inexcusable because the game literally ACKNOWLEDGED the possibility of Fawkes / Charon doing it in the main game before the dlc was even released and it was even worse because they pointlessly made them say “no I won’t” (even though it makes absolutely ZERO sense character wise for Charon to say no, it’s literally against his entire character).
That’s not just bad game direction or bad writing, that’s just brain dead to take a perfectly logical narrative choice that avoids any negative consequences for good people and yourself, take the time to write the dialogue and get the voice actors to talk about the choice, but completely railroad you not being able to do it for absolutely no reason in particular in the eyes of the characters JUST so you can hammer in a half-ass self sacrifice motif. It makes me glad that they’ve changed writers for fallout games since 3 and 4 because clearly the people who were previous writing the game just didn’t understand how an RPG is meant to work.
Why this wasn’t in the vanilla game I don’t understand. Especially since Fawkes grabs the G.E.C.K for you no problem.
I want someone to make the voice AI of Ron Perlman to just insult and curse you for not going into the chamber as an ending.
I still remember as a kid getting blindsided and confused by this ending after 50 hours of gameplay. It was years later I learned about the original pre-DLC ending and how Bethesda decided to be petty morons salty at everyone for having fair criticism of their extremely poor writing. Rather than actually fix the glaring error (like maybe they just prevent Fawkes from joining you in that final section somehow) they decided they're OK with tricking first time players to ruin their ending by clicking the middle dialog choice that is THE ONLY REASONABLE OPTION. The game teaches you multiple times Fawkes can do this and he literally scolds you if you don't use him to retrieve the GECK from highly similar situation. What a life lesson, Bethesda writers call people cowards for not wanting to un-alive themselves. It's really not the own they think it is.
Honestly the bullshit that is associated with that ending knows no boundaries
Imagine how much more positive public opinion about super mutants and ghouls would be if they learned a ghoul/mutant is the one who brought free purified water to the Wasteland.
I like how before the screw fades fawks just kicks it
lone wanderer: hey can you start the purifier, you're inmune to radiation so that shouldn't be a problem right?
fawkes: yea sure i can do it (turns it on)
fallout 3: youre a fuckin coward lol
They say Fawkes is a true hero but who was the one who managed to bring Fawkes as a follower? Who was the one who brought in someone with the ability to be immune to radiation? And who made the call to have Fawkes go and activate the Purifier because of their abilities?
Who was the one who retrieved the ONLY OBJECT IN THE WASTES the could make the machine work
@Dyl what?
@@Rhino-Prime James was a dog in the Tranquility Lane virtual reality program in the vault where we got the GECK.
@@xFlareLeon I know of that it's just the whole furry bit cauht me off guard
It's strange, isn't it?
You decide rationally, let your obviously superior friend do the risky and deadly job who is willingly accepting it and the game is like
"You don't want to kill yourself therefore you are not a Hero!"
Dude! We faced a huge number of enemies, we safed the DC wasteland and made it a better place without killing our friends or ourself!
Win-Win-Win right?
Bethesda: NO!
😂😂😂
The kick at 1:56 made me burst into laughter. XD
Ah. I see now. It's literally the "Send Sarah Lyons" ending dialogue, replayed over Fawks going in (Or, as I call it, the Coward and Evil morality ending). Because they couldn't get Ron Pearlman to redo a new line or two toward the Fawks ending (I'd call it the Neutral and Honest Heart path). My guess would be that Ron was probably busy with other projects, or otherwise. So, really, if given the wording here. It'd play out the same, if they could have gotten Ron to redo for a third ending. But. Beggars can't be choosers these days, or, granted, back in the earlier day of when Broken Steel happened.
If memory serves,if your karma is good enough and you have all three DLC's. You get an ending where you wake up at the BOS base where Sarah Lyons tells the wanderer. That after activating Project Purity" they retrieve your body. Which is still alive but basically on death's doorstep and that it was a close call. But they managed to save your life.
Fawkes lines are really quite beautiful.
“You see. They could’ve died. But they did the smart thing. Therefore, they are cowards and the real hero is your super mutant resident who’s make sure that the wasteland doesn’t lose one of its greatest defenders.”
Fawkes will always be a real one. God bless the savour of The Captial Wasteland.
To me, Fawkes is my hero in fallout 3
The fact that they had Fawkes say no before this like he wouldn't do that, I feel like he'd see us go to walk in and just pick us up
what always gets me is the way he kicked the control panel at the end 😭💀
that must be a shit ton of radiation if it makes the 8ft super mutant dizzy
Ronnie likes cheese pizza so I don't care what the S.O.B. says.
Fawkes is a true hero no doubt, but all he did was press some buttons
It wouldn't be a gamebryo engine game without the medriocre lip sync.
fallout 4's facial animation is still pretty janky
@@alt1763 Creation engine is more or less an upgraded version of gamebryo.
Dude doesn't even have lips to sync
It's good enough for me, firs the voice acting. Better than over the top facial animations some games have done, that just looks bad.
At least makes it easier to make npc mods without looking out of place.
always pisses me off that sending the two people with rad resistance and the most logical choices charon and fawkes and they condemn you for it
Fawkes speech fucking kills me 🤣
poor charon always taking the back seat
The fact the game insults the player for sacrificing a companion even thought it was like every choice the player make, the game forces the player to sacrifice himself is soo stupid
Greatest of virtues... Sacrifice... Yeah Fawkeys sacrifice 30 SECOND OF HIS LIFE, KICK THE APPARATUS BECAUSE OF IMPATIENT AND HAVE BEEN NEED TO REMEMBER 4 COUNT CODE, GAME:
"""""TRUE HERO""""
Fawkes is the MVP
I thought that one of the main reasons for teaming up with Fawkes was so he could activate the purifier since he's immune to radition. But Fallout calls you a punk ass bitch if you don't sacrifice yourself for no reason at all.
This game calls you a coward because it’s written like a fantasy game. Boy leaves his village to ultimately for fill his destiny in saving the world but along the way faces against black knights, orcs and other creatures. It’s a black and white story of good vs evil.
Fawkes shouldve given a thumbs up when it activated.
I feel like a good person could continue to do more good things if they aren't dead. Not sure why dying after just one step towards fixing a very broken world is supposed to be the courageous and moral choice.
Lone Wanderer makes a logical decision to not pointlessly sacrifice one of his dear friends or himself when another friend is willing to complete a task that is perfectly safe for him to do…
Ron Pearlman: “So the Lone Wanderer, in a cowardly act of selfishness…”
Lone Wanderer: “You want to say that again to my face Ronnie?!”
"But the child refused to follow their father's selfless example."
Because there is an obvious solution that doesn't require suicide. It's one thing if suicide is the only option, but something like this? It wouldn't be selfless, it would be wasteful and stupid.
"How dare you not needlessly unalive yourself so you can continue helping the wasteland thrive even past this moment? This immediatately disqualifies you as a hero despite everything you have done"
Whoever wrote that story part has some problems.
Eml pegliarulo wrote it. No more further explanation needed
I literally was baffled to see the ending's logic to shitting on the lone wanderer, he is still the hero?
Because if he didn't met Fawkes at vault 87 and partnered with him, none of it would've had happened. Why would you call Fawkes a true hero? He wouldn't have done anything even knowing the project purity for godsake and just staying in vault 87 forever listening to the rambles of his stupid mutant peers but thanks to the lone wanderer, it was they who showed him the path and really changed Fawkes perspective on the world.
I mean it's not just Fawkes, every companion you would meet would certainly changed for the better if not for the lone wanderer and forever making the capital wasteland a better place in the end even when not sacrificing himself for a *noble* (my ass) cause.
The impact to the wasteland is enough to call himself a hero and would've save elder lyons in the later years but NOoooOo the narrator would call you shit because you weren't following daddy's footsteps on dying.
I actually tried doing this - this weekend. But it bugs out when I send Fakes in and it ends up blowing up bc he just stands at the console and doesn't enter anything. :(
Yeah, real good fuckin' ending right there Bethesda! You give me such companions as a ghoul, a super mutant, and a robot and you still expect me to do the stupid thing of going into a highly irradiated chamber when I have 3 options for companions who each are not affected by radiation. I mean, maybe there could be a consequence in broken steel where our Mr. Gutsy essentially dies to the shock wave I guess? It's an EMP right? Anyways, pretty much the thing that ruins the good ending is the game still calls you a pussy for doing something sensible. Get the bad ending, least it's fun being an evil bastard. Hell, you're probably even doin' a lot more good in the world too. I don't mean like blow up Megaton, even though that town's just a rule of cool place that doesn't make any sense, or even sell out those escaped slaves who wanna rebuild the Lincoln memorial and then help destroy any effigies to lincoln. I mean just go around doing the other evil options, like enslaving raiders and Talon Company, steal, eat people, convince a kid to steal store products for you, steal from the stores your self at night with a stealth boy activated and then sell off the goods elsewhere.
Edit: Also, nuke the Brotherhood of Steel, cause you know how those bastards turn out in Fallout 4.
Be witness to my loveless marriage with fallout 3
Since she's so brave and all she should go there
Fawkes and I are staying outside
I always thought he declined to go in and said it's MY destiny to do it. Maybe it's some kind of Mandela Effect thing.
he says that if you only have the base game. alot of the dialogue changes because of the dlcs.
Did the same first time i played fallout
Man, the writer behind this was petty.
New Vegas would’ve let you done it
I was laughing so hard when i did this. I though fawkes was so dumb he putted the wrong code and went to the bad ending.
"This is a dire perdicament" Not really.
Imagine he doesn't know how an just smashed it and the whole place breaks
Couldnt be better if they separated your team from you so you are the only inside the water purifier?
Fucking love this game. Hoping they release a current gen version of FO3 and NV
I wonder how they'll reference this in the TV series?
Player: I might sacrifice myself then....
Fallout 3: lol, do it no balls
Shows what happens when writers eat lead paint
I think it's also works with Charon (the goul)
Oh right because all my other deeds as a hero are negated by a mutant who was immune radiation pressed 3 buttons that i told him to do. No i need to go die like a loser just like my moronic father, great writing Todd Howard bravo.
I don’t think this is bad at all, just some top tier trolling from bethesda. Wished more games had shit like this in their story. In the end, Fawkes was the true hero of wasteland.
What tf was the mo-cap guy for Fawks wearing for him to move like that?
This game is from 2008 and I think mocap wasn't as widely used back then. This might be all hand animated lol
@@vlim5601 hmmm...
Yeah, I think I can tell..
This is not mocap
@@vlim5601 If that's the case then they must've REALLY tried hard to try and make it look natural and that's why it looks so clunky. It looks like mocap because of the way he's constantly moving with his hands and the way his head moves. Not to mention that kick too, it looks like mocap as there's wayyy too much movement for it to be hand animated.