just my 2 cents about gaming ... not everyone wants a gaming headphone with mic ... some of us want a great headphone for music that really works out in terms of soundstage, imagining or dynamics for gaming :D great review!
Zeos, great recommendation! Here's my review: after watching this review and others, I bought these on sale for $250 (open box) about 3 months ago. I have been in love ever since. Not only are they super light, comfy, and well-made, but the Luans have a very carefully, well-tuned sound signature. You can tell someone was trying to achieve something very specific with these and I think they nailed it. They are wide, crystal clear, detailed, airy, and yet have a welcome amount of mid-bass warmth and decent enough bass for things like kick drums and bass guitar to be impactful. That said, don't expect murder bass here. Vocals (especially female), acoustic, electronic music, classical, jazz, rock -- these things sound good in every genre I've tried. Imaging is *good* (not amazing) but they are wonderfully wide which helps with instrument separation. They aren't quite as wide as my AKG K702s (which are insane), but they're pretty close. And, despite having great treble, they are SMOOTH. There's nothing that hurts, ever, unless you come across a truly horribly recorded track. As Zeos points out, they seem to really like tube amps, which smooths them out even more and improves the staging. That said, I only have a cheap desktop hybrid tube amp to test with, but plan to upgrade soon. I can't wait to see how these respond. Also, they're very easy to drive so low gain on any decent amp should be more than enough. I run them balanced but haven't been able to hear a difference in sound quality vs single-ended. One more thing: it's true that you can't swap the pads for 3rd party vendors but you can easily buy replacement light brown or black pads from Sivga. They're only $20 too, at least as of posting this. I bought two extra pairs because that's how long I plan to have these. Their build (all metal and wood) is made to last, so I figured I'd get the pads while I can. If you are looking for something a smidge more fun than totally neutral, smooth and wide, and unbeatable comfort, the Luans are for you. I feel like they don't get enough press for how good of a value they are.
I have a small collection of headphones, of which the Phoenix is one, which I love. For the fun of it I got Sendy Apollo pads to swap on it and they sound amazing with those pads. I wonder if this is the Luan.
Clamping force vs SHP9500? The 9500’s are the only headset that doesn’t clamp my head making it pure comfort. Would like an upgrade but I’m very clamp sensitive
Speaking of comfort. I couldn't find factory pads for my harmonicdyne Zeus. So I bought dekoni fenestrated sheepskin pads (Beyerdynamic DT) and WOW they sound great. Not as soft as the stock Zeus but fit great and audibly make everything a little clearer and a little louder? Like I eq' d them. Should hold me over until I buy the Zeus elites or HD 800's.
@@makunouchiippo816 Just wanna know because If "too much soundstage" that he said can come close like 80% of 800S soundstage.. then this can will be my go to for sure. (I love openback with huge stage and warm relaxing)
@@balllovewow Without testing these news Sivgas... I would still say you are expecting too much. Open backs tend to have more soundstage compared to closed backs due to their construction but you won't get that 80% out of a 300$ headphone. In the end always make sure to test them in a music store and not buy headphones blindly or else you will always regret it.
Have you thought about trying a pair of the Slate VSX headphones? As you are well versed in speakers and headphones, and these claim to accurately reproduce both types of sounds, It'd be awesome to get your take on them.
Everyone...just get the Koss kph30i's with Grado pads. Take the original foam off and call it a day! I have 10 pairs of headphones including Ananda's. These are maybe a slight bit off the Ananda's but not by much. I reach for them more for some reason and the others are sitting in a bag in my closet. Fidelio's Sennheiser 58x...etc.
Sivga Robin and Sivga 006. kph30i with Grado pads just works! AND with a slight ear imbalance i can position each ear pad to get the balance i want and can't do that with the others. That's just another plus but sound wise....i still prefer them for my sonic pleasure!
How does the pad opening compare to HD800/S or the eggfimans? Those are the only headphones I've found till date that cover my ears completely without touching.
bought the luan's and they arrived today. the opening isnt as big as the hd800s they slightly touch my ears if they aren't sitting perfectly. but they give better leverage on the sides of your head so imo more comfortable than the 800s. in fact i'm returning my hd800s because of how comfortable these are.
Senn HD 800 are "difficult" to find a good sounding amp for? Aren't Fos TH 909 like that too? Maybe that should be a category? Headphones that need a specific amp. Being a snob is certainly one of the hifi categories. Then they can say you're using the wrong amp, & that's why "X" headphones sound bad.
Ah damnit I just bought the fiio ft3 and really wanted a 109 pro (ended up going for the fiio and a penon 10th anniversary iem). The ft3 is pretty damn good though lol.
@@ZReviews yeah it sounds pretty great, even compared to my xs. I gotta chill tf out with all of these audio purchases lmao. This has been a very expensive year so far.
Are there any big Big headphones with normal price? I need very wide and deep headphones for my BIG ears, for now I'm using Sennheiser hd 599 black ver. Almost happy but still little narrow and not enough deep, still my ears touching inside the headphones. I was thinking if Sennheiser hd 820 are enough wide and deep but the price is not for me and they need to be ride by powerful DAC.
Personally, I'm part of the group that prefers headpones to sound different with different amps/dacs; what's the point in a varied selection of sound equipment if it all sounds the same? I'd rather have a collection that I can use like legos to achieve interesting things
For gaming I like two types of headphones. I don't do competitive. I generally like something comfortable, light and least fatiguing sound-wise for 8-hour+ sessions. If its any less than that I will use something boomy and probably i bit V shaped. Dialogue isnt too important in video games so I would not emphasise mids personally. I just want bassy explosions, punchy gunshots, and good separation.
@@Hijynx87 ah well he probably should have been more descriptive. I forget people on the internet think in extremes. Generally, even in story driven AAA experiences like God Of War. You still spend around 80% of your time slicing things with an axe and punching dudes in the face. As long as you can hear the dialogue you are good. In a movie, it’s obviously way more important. That is why the most important speaker in a surround sound setup is the centre channel. I did not say that dialogue is crap in the games that I play if that is what he thought. Lol
I am stuck. I already have a warm sounding dac (DO200) + warm sounding amp (Asgard 3) paired with warm sounding headphones 1570 & 1570C. How much warmer can a tube amp get?
Two things. 1. Has anyone tried using a high quality reel to reel tape decks headphone jack (like a Tandberg or Revox) as a headphone amplifier with their cd player plugged into it? 2. Is it normal that my Hifiman 400i 2020 headphones start sounding stressed slightly above borderline loud? What would be a good upgrade from them? This would help many, as lots of people have them. Thank you.
You could look into the Avantone planars. I purchased them as an upgrade to my he-x4 which are very similar to the he400se, not too sure about the 400i but I’m sure they stay near the apple tree.
What's a good open back for Satan worshipping heavy metal music from the late 80s to mid 90s? I have the HD 600 58X 6XX Hifiman HE400SE Grado SR80e and like the 6XX the most for some reason for metal music idk why =( No weeb anime crap though.
Grado is a good company but the SR 80 sounds like they voiced it with their phono cartridges, which are not spotlit at all. Maybe they don't sound bright and hashy with those. With cd, I guarantee you the Hifiman 400i 2020 is so much cleaner that it's ridiculous. About 70% better sound quality. The Grado does have better mid and upper bass definition than the 400i. The 400i does deep better than def in that frequency range.
2:36 More likely because they like the smell of a specific dirty hair (and narcissism/egocentrism, because of the smug cartoon avatars, that also show an "unrealistic" mind, and smug attitude), like most gays probably like the smell of butt. I think it's often factors like that, at least some sort of make it clear themselves. (In reverse it's the exact reason what's off-putting about it to others, and even if it's not the "one thing", this is sort of the symbolic center of all, in positive or negative.) I think those who like oversized boobs (and put them on characters they don't fit) think of themselves as "heroes" and always right... (And they probably like sweat etc.) I haven't much more to say about that right now. My theories aren't all equally worked out or perfect, but I think furries tell everything about themselves (indirectly) just by looking at and listening to them.
I'd love to believe you but I did once before and bought the Theiaudio Ghost headphones you said sounded just like the Meze Audio 109 PRO. It didn't it sounded like shit and I wasted my money. Here you are shilling another Linsoul item. Funny thing I cant find that video anymore, wonder why that is?
Wow nobody I put the Ghost on said anything bad about them before. Also what it is right here. I don't remove videos and I don't lie. th-cam.com/video/L3519fG0uqg/w-d-xo.html
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just my 2 cents about gaming ... not everyone wants a gaming headphone with mic ... some of us want a great headphone for music that really works out in terms of soundstage, imagining or dynamics for gaming :D great review!
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Zeos, great recommendation! Here's my review: after watching this review and others, I bought these on sale for $250 (open box) about 3 months ago. I have been in love ever since. Not only are they super light, comfy, and well-made, but the Luans have a very carefully, well-tuned sound signature.
You can tell someone was trying to achieve something very specific with these and I think they nailed it. They are wide, crystal clear, detailed, airy, and yet have a welcome amount of mid-bass warmth and decent enough bass for things like kick drums and bass guitar to be impactful. That said, don't expect murder bass here. Vocals (especially female), acoustic, electronic music, classical, jazz, rock -- these things sound good in every genre I've tried. Imaging is *good* (not amazing) but they are wonderfully wide which helps with instrument separation. They aren't quite as wide as my AKG K702s (which are insane), but they're pretty close. And, despite having great treble, they are SMOOTH. There's nothing that hurts, ever, unless you come across a truly horribly recorded track.
As Zeos points out, they seem to really like tube amps, which smooths them out even more and improves the staging. That said, I only have a cheap desktop hybrid tube amp to test with, but plan to upgrade soon. I can't wait to see how these respond. Also, they're very easy to drive so low gain on any decent amp should be more than enough. I run them balanced but haven't been able to hear a difference in sound quality vs single-ended.
One more thing: it's true that you can't swap the pads for 3rd party vendors but you can easily buy replacement light brown or black pads from Sivga. They're only $20 too, at least as of posting this. I bought two extra pairs because that's how long I plan to have these. Their build (all metal and wood) is made to last, so I figured I'd get the pads while I can.
If you are looking for something a smidge more fun than totally neutral, smooth and wide, and unbeatable comfort, the Luans are for you. I feel like they don't get enough press for how good of a value they are.
Looks like the phoenix with different pads .
Probably same as phoenix but with different oads to disguise it would like to see a comparison
Sivga Luan or Meze 109 Pro? Yes, massive price difference, but both have great build quality and great comfort. Sound quality great as well.
I have a small collection of headphones, of which the Phoenix is one, which I love. For the fun of it I got Sendy Apollo pads to swap on it and they sound amazing with those pads. I wonder if this is the Luan.
I come by the channel and browse ... always end up buying something. Every damn time!
It’s new king in 400 usd price range,also beat focal which cost 4 times more xd
For better overall sound quality and more pronounced bass, Sivga LUAN or Hifiman Sundara?
Dammit now you've done it again I'm going to have to get a set of those!
Nobody will tell you you did bad
I wonder how this compares to the harmonicdyne zues elites 😮
I just got the Elites yesterday so I will let you know next week.
@@ZReviewsany input now pls?
@@LukasVokrinek yes!
I love KEXP. The have great live performances.
Clamping force vs SHP9500? The 9500’s are the only headset that doesn’t clamp my head making it pure comfort. Would like an upgrade but I’m very clamp sensitive
I'm so glad that Sviga did not return to the wire cable that they used for the Phoenix, because, Egads!!!
Speaking of comfort. I couldn't find factory pads for my harmonicdyne Zeus. So I bought dekoni fenestrated sheepskin pads (Beyerdynamic DT) and WOW they sound great. Not as soft as the stock Zeus but fit great and audibly make everything a little clearer and a little louder? Like I eq' d them. Should hold me over until I buy the Zeus elites or HD 800's.
how about soundstage compare to things like AKG K712,HD800S,Hifiman series
Why would you compare a 300$ headphone with a 1500$ headphone (Sennheiser HD 800)? lol
@@makunouchiippo816 Just wanna know because If "too much soundstage" that he said can come close like 80% of 800S soundstage.. then this can will be my go to for sure. (I love openback with huge stage and warm relaxing)
@@balllovewow Without testing these news Sivgas... I would still say you are expecting too much. Open backs tend to have more soundstage compared to closed backs due to their construction but you won't get that 80% out of a 300$ headphone. In the end always make sure to test them in a music store and not buy headphones blindly or else you will always regret it.
@@makunouchiippo816 Which one have larger stage K712 pro or Edition XS
@@balllovewow I don't know. I've never heard the Edition XS. That's why I told you to visit a music store and test the headphones you can.
Have you thought about trying a pair of the Slate VSX headphones?
As you are well versed in speakers and headphones, and these claim to accurately reproduce both types of sounds, It'd be awesome to get your take on them.
How does it compare to the FiiO FT3?
I would like to know as well, considering I just got mine the other day. The fiio sounds pretty good btw. It feels like I got my moneys worth.
listening to Youn Sun Nah - Asturias with my sivga luan, fucking incredible
Please review the Audeze Maxwell soon!
So is that an old temporary tattoo or a new bruise on the back of you hand?
The Former
Hi zeos which one Luan or focal eligia or fiio ft3 ? For all types of music thanks keep up great video reviews
Elegia is great. FT3 probably a more capable headphone than Luan but luan wins in comfort and soundstage.
Luan beat all of them
Everyone...just get the Koss kph30i's with Grado pads. Take the original foam off and call it a day! I have 10 pairs of headphones including Ananda's. These are maybe a slight bit off the Ananda's but not by much. I reach for them more for some reason and the others are sitting in a bag in my closet. Fidelio's Sennheiser 58x...etc.
Sivga Robin and Sivga 006. kph30i with Grado pads just works! AND with a slight ear imbalance i can position each ear pad to get the balance i want and can't do that with the others. That's just another plus but sound wise....i still prefer them for my sonic pleasure!
40 remove the need for the 30s. Upgrade in both comfort and sound in my opinion.
@@ZReviews interesting! Will do more research...thanks!
Waiting for a side by side of these and the audeze mm100
Someone on the headfi forum was at canjam and already tested them and he claimed that they are not that impressive.
@@makunouchiippo816 Which one?
@@ZReviews the audeze mm-100
Bathmat for Halloween?
Z, Groove Armada, "Chicago". Best, D.
I wonder how these compare to the sundara 2022, which one is better to buy for a first audiophile hp?
@@jonm8662or conjure another $200 to get an edition xs.
@@jonm8662 they are the same price tho, the luan is 300$
How does the pad opening compare to HD800/S or the eggfimans? Those are the only headphones I've found till date that cover my ears completely without touching.
also curious about this
bought the luan's and they arrived today. the opening isnt as big as the hd800s they slightly touch my ears if they aren't sitting perfectly. but they give better leverage on the sides of your head so imo more comfortable than the 800s. in fact i'm returning my hd800s because of how comfortable these are.
Z, Does Sivga have sales? November? I will wait, getting " These " for my wife's desk. Best, D.
Senn HD 800 are "difficult" to find a good sounding amp for? Aren't Fos TH 909 like that too? Maybe that should be a category? Headphones that need a specific amp. Being a snob is certainly one of the hifi categories. Then they can say you're using the wrong amp, & that's why "X" headphones sound bad.
Ah damnit I just bought the fiio ft3 and really wanted a 109 pro (ended up going for the fiio and a penon 10th anniversary iem). The ft3 is pretty damn good though lol.
Yeah but it's an open back. Some people want or can only use closed backs. :)
Nothing wrong with the FT3
@@ZReviews yeah it sounds pretty great, even compared to my xs. I gotta chill tf out with all of these audio purchases lmao. This has been a very expensive year so far.
Do they leak sound to the outside much or is it just little like the Sivga Phoenix?
How it compares to Oriole, P-II, S023 and Peacocks?
23:00 OMG hahahahaha
No, I was waiting for the Ghost...! Best, D.
That is 100% fine. Ghost still got it for $130
Left cup of my pair just snapped in half.
You were a little off, Zeos. The Wa7 Fireflies is $1399.
FFF
Luan or HD Zeus?
What about the new Zeus ELITE.. which just arrived. I need to break it in then I can check
Are there any big Big headphones with normal price? I need very wide and deep headphones for my BIG ears, for now I'm using Sennheiser hd 599 black ver. Almost happy but still little narrow and not enough deep, still my ears touching inside the headphones. I was thinking if Sennheiser hd 820 are enough wide and deep but the price is not for me and they need to be ride by powerful DAC.
SHP9500
@@ZReviews THX, I will try them.
Personally, I'm part of the group that prefers headpones to sound different with different amps/dacs; what's the point in a varied selection of sound equipment if it all sounds the same? I'd rather have a collection that I can use like legos to achieve interesting things
How do these compare to the Fiio ft3?
I would be interested in that comparison as well.
more Soundstage with these. Better comfort. I don't think they do the technical things as well. Bass is tighter on the FT3
Thanks Z! I have the Sendy Apollo as well as the FT3. Apollo not one of my favorites, but it does have a decent soundstage and outstanding comfort.
For gaming I like two types of headphones. I don't do competitive. I generally like something comfortable, light and least fatiguing sound-wise for 8-hour+ sessions. If its any less than that I will use something boomy and probably i bit V shaped. Dialogue isnt too important in video games so I would not emphasise mids personally. I just want bassy explosions, punchy gunshots, and good separation.
maybe cus you play lame games bro
@@simonrockstream lol So I like crap games because I like good headphones? Ok.
@@alyx4436I think he was responding to the “dialogue isn’t important in games”.
@@Hijynx87 ah well he probably should have been more descriptive. I forget people on the internet think in extremes. Generally, even in story driven AAA experiences like God Of War. You still spend around 80% of your time slicing things with an axe and punching dudes in the face. As long as you can hear the dialogue you are good. In a movie, it’s obviously way more important. That is why the most important speaker in a surround sound setup is the centre channel. I did not say that dialogue is crap in the games that I play if that is what he thought. Lol
I haven't had the luxury of an 8 hour gaming session, in 25 years. Jealous!
Shit, I haven’t heard Zeos in this kind of form in years
Was this a coffee review or another substance.... Or was it smoke inhalation..
What song is being played at the beginning of the vid?
I am stuck. I already have a warm sounding dac (DO200) + warm sounding amp (Asgard 3) paired with warm sounding headphones 1570 & 1570C. How much warmer can a tube amp get?
Tubes will also warm your hands, a nice addition during winters!
It's a Rolls Royce of headphones!
Whatever the Chinese equivalent is
@@ZReviews SsanYonh lol....
So.... should I get 109's or three of these??
How about one of these and a really nice massage.
For $299... Sundara open back or these?
These for most things.
could you do a video on the lithium alkali
Sounds like a battery
@@ZReviews it really does, but it’s a new headphone that was jst showcased on Canjam Chicago
Two things.
1. Has anyone tried using a high quality reel to reel tape decks headphone jack (like a Tandberg or Revox) as a headphone amplifier with their cd player plugged into it?
2. Is it normal that my Hifiman 400i 2020 headphones start sounding stressed slightly above borderline loud? What would be a good upgrade from them? This would help many, as lots of people have them. Thank you.
You could look into the Avantone planars. I purchased them as an upgrade to my he-x4 which are very similar to the he400se, not too sure about the 400i but I’m sure they stay near the apple tree.
2 could be your source maybe? Is it distorting? Just a shot in the dark
What's a good open back for Satan worshipping heavy metal music from the late 80s to mid 90s? I have the HD 600 58X 6XX Hifiman HE400SE Grado SR80e and like the 6XX the most for some reason for metal music idk why =( No weeb anime crap though.
Edition xs sounds pretty good for metal. Fiio ft3 as well
Grado is a good company but the SR 80 sounds like they voiced it with their phono cartridges, which are not spotlit at all. Maybe they don't sound bright and hashy with those. With cd, I guarantee you the Hifiman 400i 2020 is so much cleaner that it's ridiculous. About 70% better sound quality. The Grado does have better mid and upper bass definition than the 400i. The 400i does deep better than def in that frequency range.
Sennheisers who are focussing on vocals and accoustics and mids... Man this is exactly my humour.
bazivga
The brown version looks like poop mixed with throwup lmao
Love the butt case
This or Sundara?
Want bass an soft (luan) or Light and natural (sun)
2:36 More likely because they like the smell of a specific dirty hair (and narcissism/egocentrism, because of the smug cartoon avatars, that also show an "unrealistic" mind, and smug attitude), like most gays probably like the smell of butt. I think it's often factors like that, at least some sort of make it clear themselves. (In reverse it's the exact reason what's off-putting about it to others, and even if it's not the "one thing", this is sort of the symbolic center of all, in positive or negative.)
I think those who like oversized boobs (and put them on characters they don't fit) think of themselves as "heroes" and always right... (And they probably like sweat etc.) I haven't much more to say about that right now. My theories aren't all equally worked out or perfect, but I think furries tell everything about themselves (indirectly) just by looking at and listening to them.
you ok?
Bass roll off :(
I'd love to believe you but I did once before and bought the Theiaudio Ghost headphones you said sounded just like the Meze Audio 109 PRO. It didn't it sounded like shit and I wasted my money. Here you are shilling another Linsoul item. Funny thing I cant find that video anymore, wonder why that is?
Wow nobody I put the Ghost on said anything bad about them before. Also what it is right here. I don't remove videos and I don't lie. th-cam.com/video/L3519fG0uqg/w-d-xo.html
Recommendation please, Beyerdynamic 900 pro x vs Senheiser 560s?