Yes! just watched the whole race. Senna And Lauda are great. Interesting that people have said Lauda didn't like the rain. I met Senna in Adelaide in 85. He went out of his way to give me a sticker (decal) when i approached him in the Pitlane (i sneaked into the heavily guarded Pitlane when an F1-11 Jet did a Fly-over and everyone looked up!..i was 15 yrs old) Senna graciously walked about 10 metres out of his way, to get me a sticker after i'd approached him without a pen for an Autograph. I shook his hand and wished him well for the Raceday. This must have been on a Thurs or Friday before Sunday's race actually. (He was with Lotus at the time) Sidenote- i met Hazel Chapman too, in the Lotus Pit.
@@TheCarsfan4ever i mounted it in a frame under a iconic Senna photo image...but to my horror, my Sister threw it out when Dad passed away and during the ensuing house clear out. (i had it stored at Dads) ps- mark your name on anything you have stored at your parents' house!
I was there in the rain and saw this wonderful race and it was all Senna and Lauda to the very end totally great and one of the best races I have ever witnessed.
I try to imagine the shock that must have been to see lauda left behind the whole race. Who could imagine that happening then?? Today all of us know that only one person could have done that, and thank god there was a lot more to be seeing...#SennaSempre
so did you see the supposed Senna forcing Prost out of the way on the first corner? Did it happen that way ? Also didn't Lauda start from the back and have to work his way to the front?
Hell of a car. I owned one of these for 11 years and loved every minute of it. Sadly (now) I traded it in for an E36 M3 and in retrospect I wish I kept it. I love M3s too but MB had a real winner with this one and not many people know that. This is truly a special car and one I can see owning again someday.
Contrary to the notion that Mercedes recognised the significance of the Senna 190E, I've read stories that the head of Mercedes was actually quite annoyed when Senna won the race. The plan was to display the winning car in the Mercedes museum because the winner was expected to be an F1 World Champion, however Senna hadn't even won a race. When the head of Mercedes questioned the value of the car he was quickly pulled aside and told words to the effect "I'd hold onto that car if I was you".
As a Brazilian let me say this... Rock Paper Scissors is super very competitive in Brasil... Our nature is to be very obnoxious and competitive at something small like that... So that is just to give you all an idea of how serious Senna was taking a race of that nature. Specially with all the names there, and racing the very same car... It is the most ideal race for a professional, everyone using the same equipment. I bet he really wanted to win that more than he ever did want to win a race up to that point
Senna wasn't the only one TRYING to win that irrelavent race. But he was the only one TALENTED enough to win it in that group. He had to pass Prost and Lauda in order to win. I can guarantee you that neither of those two LET Senna pass them for the win. Yes the race was meaningless. But the best driver still won!! A word of advice......Don't EVER question Senna's greatness. You'll lose EVERY TIME!!!
I have had 4 2,3-16 in my opinion : Best car ever built , compact fast, sporty, handling, comfort, realiable, 4seater sunrroof aircondition not very expensive and above all, goodlooking what more to wish C Denmark i
Для меня лично нет сомнений - это одно из самых эффективных воплощений инженерной мысли и истинной любви к тому, что ты производишь (речь о Бенце 190 и той команде, которая ЕГО создала). Отдельное уважение памяти и гению Сенны.
I dont think you have any business telling anyone to "stop fawning" over a man who won in Monaco five times, was a maestro in wet weather, and was probably the greatest ever at qualifying laps. But yes, of course drivers like Prost, Piquet, and Mansell deserve their fair share of praise
A wonderful piece to say the least and great homage to one the greatest men to ever get behind a steering wheel: Aryton Senna. Though that now storied 1984 race with Senna behind the wheel of a 190e cosworth has commanded attention from automotive journalists and car enthusiasts alike, it fell into much obscurity for years. It's nice to see a tv program shed light on what was an historic race foreshadowing the f1 success of Senna. Plus, the 190 cosworth is more interesting than an e30 m3.
..oh, and don't forget; i'm sure someone else has mentioned it..Senna hired as Merc 190 and drove it around Monaco for a few days before this race, to get used to this car.
Excellent Video! Ex 2.5 16 owner here - sadly missed. Have to say I was a bit surprised to read (and now hear) that you didn't know what the SLS fluid/system was! Engine aside - the SLS suspension is what 'makes' the 16V.
Seeing this brings back so many memories of quasi-road battles I had with my friend in the early 90's. He (my friend) in his 190E 2.3-16 and me in my E30 M3. Last few months I've been looking for a low mileage E30 M3 to buy and if necessary restore so that it looks like new.
190e. Fabulous cars. I have four.ablue limited edition ablack one also a silver one originally supplied to Lehmann brothers and a white one. All 2 litre models. Rog. Pacific sunset records.
I always wished Senna was expelled from F1. This corroborates my theory of stock car racing being more excitong than F1. this should of been a annual one off race for everyone in the same car each year. its fair, its competitive and exciting. once Senna drove this, no one else should have. rip Senna.
I purchased a 2.3 16 when I was 20 for 500 dollars I didn’t know what it was other than it was a stick shift Mercedes with rear bucket seats! It ran but was an electrical nightmare and in 2001 I didn’t have the money to take care of it I was offered 2500 bucks for it and I sold it thinking I was getting over on them! But they got over on me!! And now I can’t find another unless I sell my organs!!! I can say it was an awesome vehicle and one of the best driving cars I’ve ever driven!! Its history is unreal, and the car that made the m3 a necessity for bmw!!
Well im pretty sure that Senna was the one that took hardest the death of Ratzenberger. But lets not compare none of that era to Senna, i bet anytime, any amount of money that if Senna lived for more like, 5,6 years he would be till today the most F1 world champion winner.
2.3 even tho it showed less power on paper than the 2.5, was a slightly quicker car through the gears. Both very special cars tho ... I was lucky to own both during late 80's early 90's
Is there a difference between a gear ratios in Senna's 190 and a roadgoing 2.3-16? Because the speedo shows max speeds on each gear. Top speed on 4th gear as shown on 9:20 is 155kph (just). In any other picture of 2.3-16 interior I found the speedo-indicated top speed in 4th is over 200kph. So maybe this car was far more from stock than just seats and rollcage?
I really do wish people would stop fawning over Ayrton Senna, yes he was a fantastic driver, but he was one of a number of fantastic racing drivers from that era, let's not forget that another driver died that weekend, he also was fantastic as touring car fans from the eighties can a test, and that was Roland ratzenberger
You have more sensation at 120 km/h in a w201 than 180km/h in a w211 or E90 :) I never put winter tyres in 15 years in my w201... Alot more problems on snow, in my POS w211 16" winter tyres & the whole electronic sh*t... Wasnt beter into the E90 of one of my friend...
Evo & anyone who watches this video: I've searched numerous threads, watched countless videos and no where, I LITERALLY MEAN "NO WHERE" does anyone give the time that Prost, Lauda or Senna set .. Could someone please (if possible) provide the time they set. T.I.A
Dammit...... Scouring the classifieds....... Again! With a W124 convertible on the drive already, this piece (mag and video) is going to really hurt my wallet! Damn you EVO and your bloody brilliant magazine!
To my eyes the old 190e 2.3 16 looks far better than the new cla or practically the whole new mercedes lineup. I really wish Mercedes would bring back that angular Bauhaus minimalism.
16 valve 4cyl engines tuned by cosworth, also some changes in the suspension and interior (bucket seats front and rear...), some had self levelling suspension front and rear, then also a bodykit with aero and some other stuff
Legendary Car
Legendary Driver
Legendary Ayrton Senna
Yes! just watched the whole race. Senna And Lauda are great. Interesting that people have said Lauda didn't like the rain. I met Senna in Adelaide in 85. He went out of his way to give me a sticker (decal) when i approached him in the Pitlane (i sneaked into the heavily guarded Pitlane when an F1-11 Jet did a Fly-over and everyone looked up!..i was 15 yrs old) Senna graciously walked about 10 metres out of his way, to get me a sticker after i'd approached him without a pen for an Autograph. I shook his hand and wished him well for the Raceday. This must have been on a Thurs or Friday before Sunday's race actually. (He was with Lotus at the time) Sidenote- i met Hazel Chapman too, in the Lotus Pit.
@Mega Megatron
Diddo, sounds like Senna was fully passionate about the race community. What a great story.
You are blessed
Senna was a great guy. Thx for sharing!
Have you used the decal or do you still have it?
@@TheCarsfan4ever i mounted it in a frame under a iconic Senna photo image...but to my horror, my Sister threw it out when Dad passed away and during the ensuing house clear out. (i had it stored at Dads) ps- mark your name on anything you have stored at your parents' house!
one of the best looking mercedes ever
I was there in the rain and saw this wonderful race and it was all Senna and Lauda to the very end totally great and one of the best races I have ever witnessed.
I try to imagine the shock that must have been to see lauda left behind the whole race. Who could imagine that happening then?? Today all of us know that only one person could have done that, and thank god there was a lot more to be seeing...#SennaSempre
so did you see the supposed Senna forcing Prost out of the way on the first corner? Did it happen that way ?
Also didn't Lauda start from the back and have to work his way to the front?
Cry me a river. Prost would be left behind sooner or later anyway
You're a lucky one!
Hell of a car. I owned one of these for 11 years and loved every minute of it. Sadly (now) I traded it in for an E36 M3 and in retrospect I wish I kept it. I love M3s too but MB had a real winner with this one and not many people know that. This is truly a special car and one I can see owning again someday.
Contrary to the notion that Mercedes recognised the significance of the Senna 190E, I've read stories that the head of Mercedes was actually quite annoyed when Senna won the race. The plan was to display the winning car in the Mercedes museum because the winner was expected to be an F1 World Champion, however Senna hadn't even won a race. When the head of Mercedes questioned the value of the car he was quickly pulled aside and told words to the effect "I'd hold onto that car if I was you".
two cars to own before you die. 2.3 190e cosworth merc and the Honda NSX. thank you Senna
+apmirkin Probably you meant the HONDA NSX?
+Eric Rivera exactly. people seem to think its a Nissan or a mclaren nsx... (sarcasm does not dobwwll on here)
+apmirkin
i've never heard anyone mistake it for a nissan or mclaren other than you
+R. elentless Honda and mclaren work together in formula one....
you never notice the mans sarcasm on here?
+R. elentless ?????????????
As a Brazilian let me say this... Rock Paper Scissors is super very competitive in Brasil... Our nature is to be very obnoxious and competitive at something small like that... So that is just to give you all an idea of how serious Senna was taking a race of that nature. Specially with all the names there, and racing the very same car... It is the most ideal race for a professional, everyone using the same equipment. I bet he really wanted to win that more than he ever did want to win a race up to that point
Dad had a 190E....miss that car. :((
how can anyone dislike this video !
Haters gonna hate.
They don't like cars.
prost & schumacher fans!
Shit still brings a tear to my eyes, Imagine Schumie and Senna going head to head in the 90's.
There is the full video of the race on youtube!!
great vid guys. I own a 190 2.3-16 which I have also ran round the nordschliefe, and am a big fan of the senna legend.
Cheers
Daniel Caine i currently own a volvo 240 but i will save to afford a 2.5 16
That's really great video with GREAT information!!!!!
Ayrton Senna from Brazil, zil, zil!
A Great CAR and a genious racer!
The leather on the seats still looks perfect.
Great story. Thank you for posting it.
I'm glad that despite not listening to the story at all, you still found something worthwhile to point out.
Senna wasn't the only one TRYING to win that irrelavent race. But he was the only one TALENTED enough to win it in that group. He had to pass Prost and Lauda in order to win. I can guarantee you that neither of those two LET Senna pass them for the win. Yes the race was meaningless. But the best driver still won!! A word of advice......Don't EVER question Senna's greatness. You'll lose EVERY TIME!!!
I have had 4 2,3-16
in my opinion : Best car ever built , compact
fast, sporty, handling, comfort, realiable,
4seater sunrroof aircondition not very expensive
and above all, goodlooking
what more to wish
C Denmark
i
Для меня лично нет сомнений - это одно из самых эффективных воплощений инженерной мысли и истинной любви к тому, что ты производишь (речь о Бенце 190 и той команде, которая ЕГО создала). Отдельное уважение памяти и гению Сенны.
I dont think you have any business telling anyone to "stop fawning" over a man who won in Monaco five times, was a maestro in wet weather, and was probably the greatest ever at qualifying laps. But yes, of course drivers like Prost, Piquet, and Mansell deserve their fair share of praise
SENNA=RESPECT
There has to be full race film some where! I have to see it.
A wonderful piece to say the least and great homage to one the greatest men to ever get behind a steering wheel: Aryton Senna. Though that now storied 1984 race with Senna behind the wheel of a 190e cosworth has commanded attention from automotive journalists and car enthusiasts alike, it fell into much obscurity for years. It's nice to see a tv program shed light on what was an historic race foreshadowing the f1 success of Senna. Plus, the 190 cosworth is more interesting than an e30 m3.
..oh, and don't forget; i'm sure someone else has mentioned it..Senna hired as Merc 190 and drove it around Monaco for a few days before this race, to get used to this car.
Great peace Evo. Thanks very much
makes me want to buy one of those now
Excellent Video! Ex 2.5 16 owner here - sadly missed. Have to say I was a bit surprised to read (and now hear) that you didn't know what the SLS fluid/system was! Engine aside - the SLS suspension is what 'makes' the 16V.
Great feature guys, really well put together.
cool vid and nice history< thanks guys!
Seeing this brings back so many memories of quasi-road battles I had with my friend in the early 90's. He (my friend) in his 190E 2.3-16 and me in my E30 M3. Last few months I've been looking for a low mileage E30 M3 to buy and if necessary restore so that it looks like new.
Great video!
Ive recently purchaed a 2.516v in smoke silver.
Been dry stored for 23 years..
Soo tempted to make it into a evo2 spec.
Liked, favorited and now I am going to search the web for an old 190e :D
Enjoyed this, really liking this feature series
if they had recorded this race, it would have been one of the greatest videos ever. world champions from the 60's- 90 all racing against eachother
They did...
They did i will send you a link
Reminds me of my dad's 190e sportline edition with the black and red leather interior.
If Jim Clark had been there!
He would have been half a minute up the road.
@@gweflj certainly would have been and not far behind in a lotus cortina.rog. Pacific sunset records.
190e. Fabulous cars. I have four.ablue limited edition ablack one also a silver one originally supplied to Lehmann brothers and a white one. All 2 litre models. Rog. Pacific sunset records.
Simply amazing
Beautiful car.
Great vid and story lads
Awesome video.
Legendary Ayrton Senna
I love how they chuckle when the plates display: 2:25
Excellent feature, more like this please rather than the numerous short sub 2 main vids
Great story.
fantastic episode
Indeed. The gearing was altered to top out at 120mph.
perfect episode
AmazinG! Senna's a GOD!
Great History Magazine Evo !
Senna The Best!!!
Red Mercedes!
I always wished Senna was expelled from F1. This corroborates my theory of stock car racing being more excitong than F1. this should of been a annual one off race for everyone in the same car each year. its fair, its competitive and exciting. once Senna drove this, no one else should have. rip Senna.
Drive you had me at Senna
LOL at 11:10
"...a German mechanic told me in no uncertain terms, making it clear I was an idiot..."
:)
Lovely color on the 2.5
Where did you find all of those pictures? What is this book?
This is like After/Drive on the Drive Channel, only much, much better
Ayrton Senna, o melhor piloto de todos os tempos!!!!!! Brasil..
I purchased a 2.3 16 when I was 20 for 500 dollars I didn’t know what it was other than it was a stick shift Mercedes with rear bucket seats! It ran but was an electrical nightmare and in 2001 I didn’t have the money to take care of it I was offered 2500 bucks for it and I sold it thinking I was getting over on them! But they got over on me!! And now I can’t find another unless I sell my organs!!! I can say it was an awesome vehicle and one of the best driving cars I’ve ever driven!! Its history is unreal, and the car that made the m3 a necessity for bmw!!
o melhor senna do brasil
Well im pretty sure that Senna was the one that took hardest the death of Ratzenberger. But lets not compare none of that era to Senna, i bet anytime, any amount of money that if Senna lived for more like, 5,6 years he would be till today the most F1 world champion winner.
Glad I own a 190E 2.3-16V
You mean to say that Mike is only 37 in this film- My goodness, time has not been kind to him!
Senna The best!! 🇧🇷🇧🇷
nick trott wat happend with the mclaran mp4-12c , were is the other part that u were supposed to do ?
2.3 even tho it showed less power on paper than the 2.5, was a slightly quicker car through the gears. Both very special cars tho ... I was lucky to own both during late 80's early 90's
Who owns the 190E now???? heard it was auctioned recently but can't remember who bought it???
Is there a difference between a gear ratios in Senna's 190 and a roadgoing 2.3-16? Because the speedo shows max speeds on each gear. Top speed on 4th gear as shown on 9:20 is 155kph (just). In any other picture of 2.3-16 interior I found the speedo-indicated top speed in 4th is over 200kph. So maybe this car was far more from stock than just seats and rollcage?
the first english speaking person on this planet to pronounce "Stuttgart" correctly xD
AYRTON SENNA NO. 1
I think the race can be watched on a dvd that you can buy on shop.motorsport-dvd.de but I'm not sure if its the whole race.... dvd goes 70min
What happened to ECOTY???
I think this guy Mark is the most English guy in existence. Great story. But he needs to look at this body language.
LOL.... Fun fact is that I bought Autoart 1:18 Model of Senna's 190E 2.3-16. Great car and great racer....
Senna = Best Race car driver of all time.
I really do wish people would stop fawning over Ayrton Senna, yes he was a fantastic driver, but he was one of a number of fantastic racing drivers from that era, let's not forget that another driver died that weekend, he also was fantastic as touring car fans from the eighties can a test, and that was Roland ratzenberger
You have more sensation at 120 km/h in a w201 than 180km/h in a w211 or E90
:)
I never put winter tyres in 15 years in my w201...
Alot more problems on snow, in my POS w211 16" winter tyres & the whole electronic sh*t...
Wasnt beter into the E90 of one of my friend...
Not really, watch the '84 Monaco Grand Prix. Car = Toleman TG184
Full length video of this race is now available on Vimeo: vimeo.com/151235709
Thank you so very much!
FUCK YEA!
Evo & anyone who watches this video: I've searched numerous threads, watched countless videos and no where, I LITERALLY MEAN "NO WHERE" does anyone give the time that Prost, Lauda or Senna set .. Could someone please (if possible) provide the time they set. T.I.A
I think there still the best looking Mercedes @Resnorth. Personally I prefer them to the BMW
excellent
Alain Prost was on pole position. He was forced out by the typical aggressive style of senna driving during the race.
it wasnt the car it was the driver
Dammit...... Scouring the classifieds....... Again!
With a W124 convertible on the drive already, this piece (mag and video) is going to really hurt my wallet! Damn you EVO and your bloody brilliant magazine!
It's called being alpha male, marking his territory and taking as much space as he can. It is working, he is the man!
The light was going down...never heard that one before. Oh wait, it's a trademark of the british journalist.
does anyone have sennas lap time in this car at the nurburgring?
2:13:54 was his fastest lap
Should check Prost lap time because he was the pole setter!
To my eyes the old 190e 2.3 16 looks far better than the new cla or practically the whole new mercedes lineup. I really wish Mercedes would bring back that angular Bauhaus minimalism.
looks Great in black by todays standards
Erm, the last Race of Champions had Vettel, Grosjean, Schumacher and Coulthard competing.
If I have that car, I would park it in my living room As a Display. Also, I would do the same thing if i have the mp4/4 F1. 🙌🙌🙌
what is the difference from the usual 190e
Aleksandr Halas i think this one has been tuned by coswort
16 valve 4cyl engines tuned by cosworth, also some changes in the suspension and interior (bucket seats front and rear...), some had self levelling suspension front and rear, then also a bodykit with aero and some other stuff
edit this and remove the commentary and the nobodies presenting it, just show us the engine and the specs
those mercedeses were the best looking cars on the planet (after BMW). as well as future german style of 90s