HEMA VS KENJUTSU
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2018
- The art of the German longsword vs the art of the Japanese katana. Full contact COMBAT sparring plus technical discussion/interview.
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Fight of the century!
Skin tight knight vs pajama warrior!
Avenging Demon do naps?
Honestly, accurate clothing
So offensive yet so true 😳
The two schools of flexibility. Skin tight and baggy
Soo, NOT an Elf on a Shelf. Got it. 👍
Those bright green ferns look like a type where I am, but yours are like 5x larger and it completely throws my sense of perspective. You look like two garden gnomes having a swordfight
xD
Made my day
They are not ferns, it's an invasive species from china (Ailanthus altissima)
Can't unsee
@@Aokijy we have asiatic tearthumbs here and I never knew they were invasive from India until last month.
I never realised that Santa's elves were trained in HEMA, remind not to mess with Santa this year
how do you think they keep the presents from being stolen? gotta have some protection
Hunnie, Max and their Human Too Elves? More like goblins.
Eye protection
Yeah be good for goodness sake OR ELSE!
Knights that weren't pious enough in life are condemned to serve Santa.
Wow! Bushido Blade 3 looks great!!
Ahahaha
Metatron, who makes the blades used in this video ?
That makes me sad
Of course, in a real fight, the HEMA guy would have just unscrewed his pommel and ended Metatron rightly...
For honor
Matthew St. Cyr no need for that level of brutality, we're civilized people here.
The pummel's impact would have probably killed anybody in a 50 mile radius.
The katana would have cut the atmosphere in a Shockwave in front of him, making contact with the pommel and ending the world existence
The GhostHero well the katana can deflect bullets but I dunno if it can deflect a pommel.
This is wrong, Zelda is supposed to have a shield, he uses it in every game!
nah, just spawn a bomb, run away and detonate it
Godfrey don't you have a Crusade to fight?
His name is Link not Zelda
abc4781 B A I T E D
Is Metroid's gun attached to his hand?
WHO WON!?
WHOS NEXT!?
EPIC SWORD BATTLES OF HISTORYYY!!!
sorry.
YOU DECIDE!
Hey... that's wonderful idea! I'd love to see epic historical weapon battles of history. It'd be interesting to see East vs West with polearms, swords, knives, and spears. Heck, let's pit a zweihander expert against a nodachi expert. Let's have a Zulu spearman against an Aztec spearman. Idk.
Greatsword vs Tachi
Someone should make this happen.
"Homo sapiens" - shoving spikey things into each other for 55 000 years.
Jason Creamer and for the last 100years we have learned how to do it with very small very fast pointy objects from far far away.
Nukes are just poking atoms with spikey physics.
Humans just like to fuck each other with phallus shaped objects... XD
Actually, even older species did that too probably so we are just keeping the tradition ;)
Ayye
Good to finally see a historically accurate duel between Longsword and Katanna! Well done gentlemen!
Thanks!
Metatron now have to give credit where credit is due but you were both limiting yourselves with equipment and neither of you were particularly confident.
It would have been nice to put a disclaimer about these before the video (yes I say this because the majority of people are either idiots or too young to make such a distinction)
Also Martin should try out the new tournament "meta" Schielhau for all situations except grappling, in grappling range just do Hande Drücken. Extremely competitive as of the current rulesets.
Something tells me most people would be a little nervous if going into a real sword fight, could actually add to realism.
Jeff K Plus unlike "Real Combat" they are not trying to get hit period yah know like it's a points scenario. So they are much more cautious. I understand that you wouldn't try to get hit in a real fight either, but I think you understand my meaning.
Tingle fights Mitsurugi in the final battles of the great console wars. (2018 colorized)
I find it interesting that the movements between the two weapons are so similar that it sort of looks more like two different styles of longsword fighting rather than mixed weapon fighting. It paints a picture of how close in function and usage these two weapons really are to each other.
There's only so many ways a human can effectively wield a sharpened metal bar without hurting themselves. Eventually, all the best techniques will be discovered and they will all look the same.
They use the same mechanics
HEMA longsword and Kenjustu are more alike in their form and technique than they are different. Nice work
Tbf... You can only swing a pointy stick in so many ways
I noticed that Metatron's HEMA friend is getting far more hand/arm hits than he is.
maybe in the basics.. Hema has a lot of moves and binds and ways of using the sword that just wouldnt work with a KATANA
@Suat Kuran I've practiced one of the surviving samurai styles, still has the jujutsu and kenjutsu, with movements that work for both, also has rope binding, archery, iaijutsu, etc. The sensei didn't like us talking bout it, but I'll hint that the last word translates as strategy, and one word in the name marks it as having been an official style of the shogun.
@Suat Kuran Incomplete name(there's more than one style with that beginning), but yes.
But can you end him right----
Wrong channel huh?
Well what about Dra----
Welp
Grey Alifus how about MACHI- oh right
needs more PENETR-darn
But guys, what about castl...ops
Metatron needs his own catch phrase!
Imagine my sho . . .(Sighs)
Warden main that doesn't spam vortex vs Orochi main that doesn't spam light...now this is a trial by combat!
Alpha PHENIX I was expecting the centurion to appear and started punching them repeatedly
None of them used their op zone either
That new Orochi buff got them light spamming like crazy.
that game sucks now :(
Deus Vult weebs
My biggest concerns are:
1) this type of video brings 99% of toxic discussions: people will either judge Hema/kenjutsu according to their fanboyism or even worse, will judge your styles because it wasn't good enough or silly stuff like that.
2) eye protection; it doesn't matter if you are using nerf sword, a hit on the eye would be a very bad situation. Be careful next time!! Always use some type of protection, we don't want a blind Metatron
Well yes it is my problem as well. It would be nicer if two high level practicioners had at each other. But then again it is very hard to find kenjutsuka who train in gear, and even harder who train in adequete gear. It's pretty gosh damn hard to find someone who doesn't use a kendo mask for example.
One of the things I liked about this was the fact they didn't use protection. Which means, even though they were not going full force, a hit will sting. That changes the game and skews it more towards an actual combat situation, because the price of failure is larger. Obviously the lack of eye and head protection takes head attacks out of the equation but it was still interesting.
Don't worry, if ever, God forbid, he were to become blind, he'd just use the Force instead ! Jedi Metatron !
Your first concern is pretty weak. If people decide to get immature and toxic over it than it is only a sign of their own weakness of character. Plus you throw this 99% figure out there with no basis on observed reality. I took a few scrolls down and saw mostly positive comments and light-hearted memeing.
Second concern is fairly solid, but at the same time, neither fencer was really going for any deliberate head or face strikes, and they are clearly both fairly accomplished at what they do.
Anyone who is concerned with or can't handle "toxic" comments shouldn't be concerned with any type of martial art/combat or self defence. It's like avoiding using a knife, because you might cut yourself in the kitchen. It's the same as avoiding outside criticism, because your afraid of critical thinking, challenging, and debating questions. The word "toxic" to me implies weakened minds that fear exploration and deciphering outside their own perspective for fear of difference, being wrong, or not wanting things to be any other way than what you want them to be. It's like a xenophobia between different types of styles and schools. You're right. Allot of people don't like to improve their skill or knowledge; they just want to prove what they *WANT* to be true to be true, not what actually is. Good to see this video bring cross-fighting unity into greater understanding. This is the way.
I'm not a sword fight expert, but they both look equally powerful, but different in style. The fight was awesome tho.
DarkeySirius they are both good fighters but like the video title says metatron is using kenjutsu (japanese sword fighting style), while his friend uses hema (historical european martial arts). Ok I think I understood your comment in a wrong way you probably mean that one is more defensive and the other aggressive right?
Even the stances look somewhat different.
DarkeySirius many sword style are like that they have some what diffrent stance and attack but at them same time u can see some what simmler moves and guard's but each still are diffrent in there own ways and each need to be trained
I mean as they say after the fight, there's only so much you can do with a sharp long piece of metal.
Ha furry
it was nice to the contrast between the two forms ive never seen it done in a sparring match so well done gentlemen
Fun Fact : A katana blade is actually 3.5 time's more dense than a neutron star
How can it be light as a feather if it is this dense?
Because a Katana has the power of God and Anime on it's side.
Fun Fact #2: The Pommel of a longsword has the destructive capabilities of 500 nukes.
Darek Baird I think you're missing a few hundred zeroes
3.5 times the density of a netron star and moves at the velocity of God, did EA invent the katana as dlc?
So two separate cultures studied body mechanics and geometry and ended up making two different systems that are basically exactly the same. Cool.
Well makes sense, humanity has always done things the same just it different styles across the world.
"Exactly the same" is exaggerating it quite a bit, though the basic principles can be considered very similar. HEMA motions end up being rather linear and straightforward and emphasize stabbing quite a bit, kenjutsu focuses more on transferring momentum while slashing. Mostly because of the weapon geometry, the katana's curvature makes this somewhat mandatory (especially with the thicker blade), whereas European swords are predominantly straight and noticeably thinner (but usually somewhat longer).
Also take into account that the katana changed very little over time due to cultural reasons (hence the swordsmanship remaining very similar), while European swords evolved in various directions in a more utilitarian fashion over a very long time, and various new techniques had to be developed for new types of swords. As a result, HEMA has so many different styles for different sword types that you can't even call it similar to itself a lot of the time (ex. longsword vs. rapier).
@@MunyuShizumi katana, wakazashi, and other Japanese blades are made for slashing rather than thrusting. The fighting style developed around the weapon
@@MunyuShizumi Perfect explanation, thanks for the effort!
At the end of the day it's just a study of physics.
What's most efficient is most efficient.
This looks like so much fun! Great sparing and interview.
I like how you found 2 people of very equal skill and attributes to spar so the differences are apparent and similarities obvious. I really like how when you decide to get aggressive you waste no time but go directly for it, and the effect it has. The way you move looks like the Terminator sometimes, you show good samurai spirit IMHO. Nice form, your swordsmanship is alive.
Leave it to metatron to be the one of the few to handle these arts with dignity and respect
Great video, Noble One! It is fascinating to observe your styles in action. Good choice in music and the debrief to close the video was perfect.
thank you for making such a thoughtful video on this subject. informative and entertaining. great points. I too love to spar other styles, its i think the most fun because you really dont know what to expect out of your opponent.
now i can sleep in peace.
islamic school of meme studies literally about to sleep when my phone pinged me for this video.
honestly, the Hema looks so cool
Thank you :D
This was an excellent video idea!
enjoyed every bit of it.
This was most interesting. Thanks! ^^
Before watching: I'm expecting them to be somewhat equal, none of them being superior to the other. And a conclusion that it depends on the skills of the inviduals.
Simon The Digger honestly all being equal if that scenario were to happen the longer sword would win more. Simply by the fact of being longer.
Marcellus That's true. But it all comes down to skills and luck.
I notice you guys switch the lead foot a lot. What does it do in swordfight? In unarmed fight it's used to switch between southpaw and orthodox stance, but what does it do on armed fight?
You have to switch your foot stance in certain guards so they will benefit each other (foot stance and guard).
Archontasius it does several things. It shifts the stored energy to your other leg and it opens up the other side of your body so you can drive in attacks from the other side. It also allows you to shift your defensive frame toward the other direction when THEY move their sword to the other side, or when you want to defend a certain direction.
But most importantly, it just let's you move in or out of fighting distance.
edge alignment and power for the most part, twisting your whole body in the same direction the blade goes gives you more control, better edge alignment and more power.
You can test by yourself with a broomstick: Put yourself in a ready position with your left foot as lead and the right as rear, grab the stick two handed and rest it on your right shoulder, do a diagonal downward cut while advancing with the right rear foot at the same time, end the cut with your right foot as lead and your hands at waist level. After that try doing it without passing the right foot forward, you'll notice that while it can be done it doesn't feel "right" , it feels more sloppy, uncontrolled, with lower reach and less powerful. That's the effect of your upper body twisting to the other side your hips and lower body are facing, while the first method feels better because your upper and lower body are going in the same direction and facing the same side all the time.
This is orthodox and proper cutting technique, which is not set in stone specially when sparring. In a real fight you have to react fast and oftentimes you'll have to launch cuts and parries from awkward or less than ideal positions.
They basically covered it but side note is that not all armed martial arts do this. One example being rapier, you almost always lead with your dominant side and you're footwork resembles that of a southpaw in boxing if you're right handed
Mostly to allow you to attack in the other direction (for reasons stated above) since you can't really attack over your lead leg effectively you need to switch positions to cut in that direction (lead with your left to cut to the right lead with your right to cut to the left) and yeah you don't really do that in rapier or smallsword fencing since it's super thrust centric for the most part and always keeping your blade in front of you and being able to lunge is more important.
Beautiful video! Thanks Raf!
Awesome work guy's enjoyed this both sections.
Despite the differences in how they fight, there are key similarities to these two styles and they make up the foundational bases for both sword fighting techniques.
1) Never use more than the amount of energy necessary to make an effective strike.
2) Stay in contact so that you may influence your foe and react accordingly.
3) Pick your ideal range and play off that advantage.
I was expecting the blade lengths to differ more between a katana and a longsword.
Historically Katana up to 75 cm and longsword from 90 cm up.
Linda Liljecrona Modern ones yes, historical ones varied alot in length...
Playmaker you are an Idiot. In the German treatises it's called long sword when gripped with two hand on the grip and short sword when half-swording.
Linda Liljecrona well to be fair there are longswords with blades as short as 80 cm but they are way rarer than the ones with 110 (being the other extreme)
In principe, there are even longer blades, but I wouldn't classify them as longswords, as you can't draw them from your hip any longer. Depending on your size it ends with 100-120cm.
Katana could have any length from 50cm to 120cm and be all worn the same (though, we apply different names to them today). I guess that explains the wait with drawing the blade until you can hit, or the one stance where you can't see how long the blade actually is...
Well done both of you, I’d love to see more Kenjutsu videos, maybe some discussion/demonstrations. Also the music is very nice.
finally. thank you metatron. i've been looking this video so long... and finally.
but why you have not used self protection equipment?
I did not know you could fight! Great video as always, have to say i was cheering for the HEMA fighter though. for ovbius reasons.
Playmaker yes, since i prefer HEMA i am racist.
+Playmaker No need to make assumptions like that. I'd imagine he was rooting for HEMA because it has something to prove (which is that it is a viable martial art, and that Japanese martial arts are not unbeatable).
Playmaker so being on the kenjutsu side, makes you a racist as well?
InSanic yeah and also i thought my avatar would speak for me haha.
Lord Hermis that was my first thought
O never knew Santa's elves were so badass
This was amazing to witness! Never would have imagined to see longsword vs katana done authentically and seriously like this. And both of you are just humble, definitely better than beginners.
Awesome video! I don't have the funds to study German longsword or Kenjutsu/kendo at the moment, so I usually watch videos here. Even if this video isn't to teach, and I know learning on your own doesn't teach you fundamentals, but it is still fun watching you two fight, and at least learn as much as I can from watching and learning from you two. Keep up the good work Metatron!
This was a great video, Metatron! I've waited a long time to see something like this in a high quality video. As a practitioner of Musō Jikiden Eishin-ryū and the swordsmanship of Fiore dei Liberi, it was very interesting to see what you guys experimented with.
When you practice outside without having to worry about camera angles, I'd recommend trying to use the environment to your advantage. I know you have read The Book of Five Rings, so I'm sure you remember what Miyamoto Musashi wrote about keeping the sun facing your opponent and keeping him on edge so he can't pay attention to what is around him. It is important to learn how to fight when you can't do much with your environment, but you may be put at a disadvantage if you're against someone who uses it more than you.
Of Course they have to worry About camera angles. Thats why they didnt Change directions, so all hits could be on camera.
Imagine some random guy walk in and shot them and saying something like.."naah man,you take it too long.."
nah, this is Highlander the Series, so they would regenerate, then explain that he was wrong to interfere in the fight, and then take his head. lol
Loved the vid Metatron
Dear Metatron,
Thank you for a very entertaining video.
These two styles are different, yet alike.
Entertaining and enlightening.
Keep it up.
This video was great. Now do knight versus samurai, both in armor...
Eldrich Blacklion they'd probably ruin their armour doing that
mattias figueroa Armor was designed to be hit
katana is useless againts maximilian or white and longsword againts an o-yoroi or tosei gusoku wont make a significant difference either
Yeah but the armour can still get damaged and ruined
Longswords can knock a samurai out by striking the helmets, but katana is much weaker as a blunt weapon, and a hornskull can easily deflect katana strikes due to the its shape.
Its amazing how different and similar the two are. Subtle differences along with shared techniques make this feel like the two forms were separated at birth.
Thanks for showing a fight without hectic cuts and change of camera angles.
This is really cool! A legit swordfight! I thought it was interesting how often you two used similar stances.
Lads, USE SAFETY GLASSES , your eyes are not a joke.
Γιώργης fencing masks would probably be even better
Γιώργης pussy
bokudensuduharagmail pussy
bokudensuduharagmail All I can say to that is that you're wrong B1
Glory to Archangel Metatron
Metatron is not an archangel.
Samuel Culper id beg to differ
He is not well known especially among religious people
He's an angel that was mentioned in the Midrash but he is not an archangel in any religious tradition.
Samuel Culper exactly my point
Im am no Christian, Catholic, or any other faith that taints and defiles the true teaching that the bible cannot teach you nor any other religious text
That would mean you're just making shit up and defiling the Bible, Christianity and Judaism. The Catholic Church is the original Christian Church, by the way.
Finally ive waited long for this :) great fencing of you both
Thank you very much.
Metatron so its save to say both style can beat each other :D
We noticed that for sure :D Thanks.
I really like the editing on this. The red ellipse on the point of contact is super helpful when you do the slow replay. Totally better than Hollywood-level editing with millions of cuts (no pun intended) per second, haha!
Metatron had the advantage in the first fight, had the sun on his side.
well it is the land of the rising sun who made kendo
No offense but every time that I saw Martin in the fight sections of the video I couldn't help but to feel that he looked like an elf. Green top with red pants and that hat I felt like I was looking at one of Santa's helpers armed with a longsword.
Let's hope you're not on the naughty list, then...
You havent even seen my red hood and bell belt yet! Maybe ill fence raf again. Be it europe or murica! Then ill go full elf!
Great video dude.
Great video!
Da praticante di Hema posso dire che lo sparring con armi in propilene, senza protezioni, richiede un grandissimo controllo; siete stati veramente molto bravi ed il video è decisamente interessante. Complimenti Raffaello, per il video, ma soprattutto per la tecnica!
Grazie mille Diego!
I'm learning Italian and I found it very interesting that "sparring" 's article became "lo" because it starts with "sp-". I never thought of the implications of foreign words with that. E no, non penso essere capace di dire la stanza anteriore in Italiano. Scusi per qualunque risiduo d'Spagnolo, quando non so come lo dire in Italiano, italianizzo come è in Spagnolo.
no spanish, plz
Spagnolo è la mia prima lingua. Dunque se non so come dire una cosa in Italiano, el mio unico ricorso è fare un ponte con il Spagnolo.
The romance languages are so cool, I am Romanian and I can read and fully understand your posts without ever studying the Italian language. I can read Spanish as well, though not as easily. I guess you should understand Romanian writing as well to some extent : mi-a placut foarte mult filmul Metatron, felicitari!
Hello Meta! A few things I've noticed for you. When you cut from jodan you aren't stepping with your leading foot. This negates the range advantage. You are stepping with your shinto men strike so think of jodan as that. I think your shinto men strike might be going too low. Maybe stop about knee height and switch to gedan? You have great reflexes, so you should be able to do it. You should look more into gedan stance (total opposite of jodan).
Now about your defensive. You have long arms, but you get really close. Think back to kendo and the monouchi. When you retreat, you have a habit of crossing your legs past each other. This compromises your stance. There's a stance you do where the hilt is in front of your face and the blade pointed down. You charged into Martin with that and that's a HEMA disarm technique (German?).
I'd like to see these kinds of videos more often (maybe once every 2-4 months?) and see how you change. Thanks for reading my essay.
Sword fighting looks alot like a chess game. Constantly changing guards and stances and trying to predict your opponent's next move.
I always say that fencing is like action-chess.
Indeed!
Better chess player winns, unless he fucks up. In sparring the better fencer is just more likely to win.
I almost wanted to skip the sparring so that I could hear your discussion, which attests to your speaking abilities! Great video!
HEMA HAS NO CHANCE AGAINST *_GRORIOUS NIPPON STEERU_* ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
Folded over 5 million times, a single swing from this elegant weapons would cut through time and space itself
Two words:
Pommel throw.
Nonbisco, Provider of Cancer, yes, but what about dragons?
For me it sounded more like MACHICOLATIOOOOOOOOOOONS!!!
Ilya Zakharchenko The use and effectiveness of machicolations depend on the context, though.
Dude, you make me want to get a sword for christmas :D
Freaking Metatron is outstanding! This is the best source / example I could find anywhere of a katana wielded by someone who was actually a good fencer against a true Hema practitioner. Wow, I could watch this over and over.
You guys did a great job! I hope to see you all collaborate again.
I think i know the longsword! :) anyway, it's nice but I really think you need head/throat protection (like a hema mask) and do this sparring with head blows.
Ahah esatto è la tua :)
ps: Si sono d'accordo, anche se il poveraccio l'ho preso in faccia con la punta e lui mi ha preso al collo.
capita allenandosi, anche per questo senza protezioni sulla testa è meglio non andarci "a piena forza". Con una buona maschera e magari un paio di guanti puoi andare full force con le Calimacil ;)
Very good video, as expected from you, but I've noticed that both of you fight very defensively, which is in many historical manuals very discouraged since you're giving your oponent the iniciative (in most martial arts you're supposed to have the iniciative).
Thunder X they should the book of fire in "a book of five rings"
Sir Claidheamh I'm not sure if you mean that they should read it or if you mean that they should fight defensively.
Ive read the book of five rings thrice :D and as the hema fencer in the vid: yes. Youre right. Using the "vor" and taking initiative is encouraged.
Looks very authentic. Really cool!
How well would the katana hold up to repeated parry by the bigger sword? Does a double edge give any advantage over the single edge?
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I'm afraid those safe swords are not a good representation of actual weapons. They seem to be to soft and some blocks and parries that would've worked with steel or even wood just failed due to their bendable nature. For a better presentation you could try that again but with a waster vs a bokken.
Przemysław Zbigniewsson I wouldn't use a boken in this situation. They are very rigid and it kind of hurts when a piece of wood is stuck in your brain along with your shattered cranium.
Marcellus you can use padded protection and fencing masks. However, in traditional kenjutsu you don't use any protection and you train with bokken instead of shinai. I had had a number of sparrings with bokkens before I moved from kenjutsu to HEMA.
bokudensuduharagmail sure you can. I did and I assure you I'm quite alive. Prospect of possible pain and bruises is IMO the only thing that will make you cautious and focused enough for this kind of sparring to make sense. It is sufficient not to commit fully to the blows and keep the bokken/waster under control. Sparring is more about technique and honing reflexes rather than trying to hurt the opponent. Now whenever I'm sparring we use helmets, gauntlets and gambesons for blunt steel swords. Hits hurt but no one got seriously injured... and that's over a span of 11 years of practising historic fencing.
bokudensuduharagmail as always the conclusion is "you do you". For me and my sparring with bokkens/wasters worked. Those soft LARP swords don't handle right and are to bendable for some techniques to work properly. I'm pretty sure that historically sparring with wooden training weapons was also the preferred safety measure and people weren't dying left and right during practice. If you think it's too high risk and elect to use different tools then I'm sure you know what's best for you.
Przemysław Zbigniewsson mind you pulling your strikes is not a good practice and it leads to a bunch of artifacts in your fencing. As well as developing arthritis.
Hi, recently started HEMA longsword San Antonio, Texas and wonder if zwerchhau could have been used as a double sided blade against a single sided one more for greater effect? I also wonder at how linear the sparring was and wonder if that was for the sake of the stationary camera or is that more your style?
Awesome vid, I'd love to see you do a move by move analysis
The new For Honor update looks pretty freaking rad m8.
I starting watching this wondering why Metatron was fighting an elf. I guess maybe the depictions of Santa's elves are with clothing from that time period or something. But it's kind of funny. I also have to think that real combat was a lot more aggressive than this. Maybe people got cut up a heck of lot too. But that's kind of what I would expect in an actual battle situation. There would be a lot of adrenaline and a lot of carnage.
The clothing is in a Landsknecht style, flamboyant colours and such typical of certain Germanic mercenary groups.
The Medieval clothing Martin is wearing is spon on historically accurate. As I said in the section about the fight intensity it's just a Hollywood/Videogame thing you expect to see in real duels. When you are risking your life you consider every step, every movement because against a fully trained duelist or samurai or knight if you just run towards him and commit full force without caring you will die. Evey move is a calculated risk. I've seen HEMA masters probe for over 5 minutes before trying an actual attack. In real life you don't have a continue button. Also this is not battle, it's an unarmoured duel.
That's not a Landsknecht style. This is clearly from an earlier era.
@TheBeevinator
Yep, I thought there was something suspicious about those elves. Now we know. Santa hired a bunch of mercenaries. Mess around by that workshop and bad things will happen to you.
Metatron but it is without real weapons so it make sense to be more agressive
this was really awesome
Longsword and katana will always be my 2 favorite fighting stylings great job they both did amazing!
The problem with this is that there are a lot of movements and techniques that are rendered useless or impractical when using a floppy latex sword.
Eduardo Arango real swords are pretty floppy. Its what stops them shattering under stress and their own mass striking and object.
No, they are not floppy, they are flexible. With one of those swords, for example, you can´t parry properly as they would just give way. I have a pair of very similar latex swords and funny as it is doing some swordplay with them, it is completely different to using a steel one. Also, latex swords are real swords, just as a wooden one would be a real sword as well.
Good concept for a video. Though I do feel this was pointed more akin to LARP scoring then HEMA scoring. A lot of the contact being made in these exchanges are not meeting with what would be good edge alignment , so many of these hits would have been called off. Regardless this was entertaining. Good job Metatron :)
Actually this is neither HEMA scoring nor LARP, personally I am not a big fan of Kendo scoring or any scoring that calls off a hit because it's not executed perfectly. A sharp blade to the face is still gonna cut and deal damage even if my body is not in the perect position, or my grip isn't perfect and even if edge alignment is not correct the blade will still cut, not as well but it will, I can assure you of that because I have opened a cut on my friend's hand once during a super slow reharsal using a blunt sword. So if I could cut with a blunt moved slowly I will cut with a sharp sword.
With this I don't mean to say I don't value proper form, but I give priority to hitting first because a sharp sword is a very dangerous weapon regardless of how you use it. I prefer a swordsman who hits and covers himself even if not in the perfect way than a swordsman who is perfect to look at but fails to cover himself for instance.
I finally got a reply! I'm fanboying now. Sorry. Anyway, I totally understand where you're coming from and I can respect that. I started the video trying to score the exchanges and then after a couple of minutes I decided to just forget about it and enjoy the video. :)
Also, in retrospect, your decision in scoring actually makes more sense because neither of you were wearing armor of any kind. So now I seem like an even bigger idiot. Sorry if I offended.
No offense was taken. Also we used red for good hits and yellow for hits which weren't as good because you didn't cover and you got hit afterwards. ;) Thank you for watching.
Nice fighting! Exactly what I would expect from two very masterful martial arts.
It was really fun to watch. There is not too many videos of historical Kenjutsu out there. Let alone seeing them pit against HEMA. It was fun and interesting to watch. Seeing this actually makes me want to see 2 masters of both practices go at it.
Peasant (Darkages) vs villager? (Sengoku Jidai)
Hey Metatron! Big fan of your Zombie videos, have made Urban survival kit video myself and wanted to know your opinions about the weaponry for the scenario!
my choices are:
IMO, for urban survival, good melee weapons are: Shield, one handed mace, machete (as a tool as well), crowbar (as a tool as well) and knife (well, of course fix-bladed)
ranged weapons: Bow (silent, reusable (arrows)), SCAR,pistol (any, but I choose P30L) and DP12 (for close environments)!
Spare time G Why bow when u have assault rifle? :D silenced .22 is far better than any bow....
well:
1. silenced gun is never actually silenced, it is still pretty loud.
2. arrows can be re-used, bullets, cant. BTH if you are good enough, it is pretty easy to make DIY arrows and use them, if the main ones get damaged or lost.
Too much stuff to carry around in my opinion, unless you're keeping it in a "base" of some sort. 1 short range melee weapon (I'd go with a hatchet or cut down ax, that replaces both mace and machete), no shield (better a lightweight armor, even cut up milk jug or 2 liter bottle armor would protect from teeth), 1 mid range melee which you have none of (I'd go Chinese style glaive, but lots of pole weapon types would work), and 1 long range. Even just that much would be awkward to carry, though better.
Spare time G 1) silenced .22 is silent enough, you can hear it, but it is very difficult to localize source
2) arrows could be easily lost or broken, restoring it from dead rotting and infected body, clean it and than carry it with you again... enjoyable and risky experience. Also... you can go to pick it up only if area is safe, so you have to kill all zombies and no retreat or defensive use. Majority of accesible bows are too weak and arrows too light to do serious damage to head even from quite short distance. Even if you have powerful hunting bow you cannot use any arrow you find and you definitely cannot use selfmade arrows in any modern bow. There are lack of properly strong historical bows and if you can find one, it is quite difficult to use it and hit accurately. It is not easy to made historical longbow, it requires some space and tools, lot of experience and properly prepared wood which is essencial. Making an arrow is absolutely not "pretty easy" even for people who doing this for years, it takes time and requires specific equipment and parts or it will has really poor accuracy.... bow is slightly better than nothing, only if you have proper bow and arrows, it is pretty big thing to carry and really usable only in some very specific situations.... predominantly pretty useless in "zombie apocslypse scenario" ... and if you have a gun... pfff. You will drop bow and arrows away pretty soon...
You should have a lightweight armor and longsword as it will do well to cut limbs and heads off and is double bladed so it can be slashed with using Borge sides. Large Shield is almost pointless as there probably won’t be a another bow user and it takes up space that can be used for another weapon or a larger weapon. Bow would most likely be used for hunting as a piercing weapon won’t do much to stop a zombie. This seems more like a we’ve had a nuclear war fallout type kit
Metatron huge fan of your history stories and videos, great job, I would like for you guys to remake this video using real hema practice gear and don't hold back for 5 min, I sincerely believe that you guys nailed the reenactment on his battle, keep these videos coming man, very addictive(:
Great sparring demonstrate between the two styles! Where did you get your sparring katana?
First off I enjoyed the video, I just thought it was funny how glaringly the poor footwork stood out. Watching Skallagrim's sparring videos taught me something I guess. lol
Doesn't matter, it's not a show of perfection, I'm just showing how I complement my dojo studies.
Interesting, there are invasive trees that came from China growing in the background, ( Ailanthus altissima )
I'm a Fiore di Battaglia student so I'm not familiar with German treatises was that all Talhoffer or did you add Lichtenauer as well, or am I completely wrong all the way around? Also from what I understand (which is very little) is that lichtenauer wasn't meant to be a standalone system but rather a system for defeating the common system, is that an accurate understanding?
This is the best video between Longsword and Katana yet. Accurate dueling. I always appreciate the humility and honesty this channel presents when making comparisons.
Nathan Max well since none of the actual athletes who do this on a semi professional level did anything like this yet. It would be nice to see a feeder vs a federized katana in full protective equipment between two athletic people.
Here’s hoping
So, I sat down in front of youtube to have pasta and meatballs for lunch and this video happened, tell me, is magic real? Because there's a part of me that feels like I made this happen, so, you're welcome? O.o
What makes you say that?
Because America recognizes that having meatballs with pasta in the same course is awesome. As opposed to having them separately which is... Well that's nice i guess. (Kidding, kidding. They're both perfectly valid ways to enjoy pasta. And meatballs)
I didn't say spaghetti, I said pasta.
No, years of training and focus made this happen
*NEED MORE CLANGS* !
Put your grasses on
Nothin will be wong
What about our best boi Donovan?
Where did you get that sparring katana? I would use a bokken, but my hands are way too smooth; I lose my grip when I make any attempt at kumitachi.
Where can I purchase these sparring weapons? I've been carving my own from felled tree's for years now and these are clearly safer to use with my peers.
Sarebbe bello vedere gladio&scutum vs hema & Kendo
Se questo video fa abbastanza views lo farò
its not even a sparring its just larping between an elf and pajama guy....
Hey Metatron what do you think of Historia Civilis as a channel to learn ancient history from?
Hey Metatron. First and foremost I'd like to tell I love your channel. I think you are doing an unvaluable work in contributing to spread martial history and history in general. Nowadays, are you still practicing katori shinto-ryu? Do you currently practice in a dojo or do you follow a certain source?
Yeesh. Are those Calamacil? Those are really floppy.
Dan O'Shea they are probably nylon and/or polypropylene.
don't know about the katana, but the longsword definitely is. I believe it's this one:
www.calimacil.com/weapons/all/two-handed-swords/bellator-2-larp-sword.html
Mugiwara no Link GOT 'IM!!!
I was about to make an educated comment about how learning different systems helps you see and exploit universal biomechanical principles but this is just too tempting…
*OMG! THE AGE OLD DEBATE IS SETTLED. THE METATRON PROVIDES DEFINITIVE PROOF FOR KATANA >> LONGSWORD!*
A like for the music alone! This was very enlightening.
AWESOME!! now i want to see you vs skall