India and Pakistan: Forever rivals? - UpFront
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- India and Pakistan: Forever rivals?
Seventy years since partition, and the independence of India and Pakistan, relations between the two nations remain turbulent.
There have been four major conflicts and numerous skirmishes since 1947 and yet the territorial disputes between India and Pakistan remain unresolved, and bilateral relations are marked by mutual mistrust.
So, can the two neighbours and nuclear powers ever become friends? What will it take to resolve the seemingly intractable Kashmir conflict? And how much of today’s hostility can be traced back to partition?
To debate this in this UpFront special, we're joined by a former foreign minister of each country: Hina Rabbani Khar, Pakistani foreign minister from 2011 to 2013, and Shashi Tharoor, Indian minister of state for external affairs from 2009 to 2010 and a current opposition MP.
"I believe the fundamental problem that prevents meaningful friendship is, and I'm being very blunt here, the nature of the Pakistani state," says Tharoor, author of the 2017 book Inglorious Empire: What the British Did to India. "In India, our state has an army; in Pakistan the army has a state. And the army’s desire to continue to control an extraordinary set of resources and privileges ... gives it a vested interest in stirring up troubles."
"[W]hereas in Pakistan the military historically had a role, and now the democratic dispensation is eagerly taking its space back," says Khar, who remains a member of the Pakistan People's Party, currently in opposition. "I fear that in India, the direction is quite the opposite." - บันเทิง
The best part of this debate... Not One of the speakers interrupts the other. That is how debates should be.
Because it's not your godi media.
Its not an indian channel.
These are not bullshit media person...thy are intellectual...!
@Mr. danger MUSLINS ARE THE ONES WHO DO THE HATING REMENBER
Collin Davis Unlike Indian anchors.
"India has an army, Pakistans army has a state" - brilliant and true and funny
...and that matters how ?
@@Warlock786 it's like china has CCP and usa has a president
@@oracle4127 exactly
India has an army with full of abhinandan's
@@AliRaza-sr5zk thats why they struggle in War
Indian state has an army while Pakistani Army has a state..Shashi, a statement I would highly agree with as a Pakistani. Good counter arguments by MS. Khar.
This is called debate, a true debate. Our Indian journalists should learn from this & leave the 'Akhada System'.
Ha... 😅.. Debates dekhne ka man hi nhi krta... Sirf chilla rhe hote hai ek dusre par... Pr alarm ringtone rakhne k liye sahi hai wo debates.... BTW akhaada system kya hai bhai...? 🤔.... Pehli baar suna....
😂😂
Right
@@rutvikweladi9231 aakhand bharat 🙏
@Grrtyhijn Fftdhjj u nuts ?
Imagine arnab goswami in place of this anchor 🤣😂😂😂🤣😂
World wants to know....... 😂🤣😂🤣
Hahaha!!!!! superb!!!
😆😆😆😆😆😆savage bro.......
O my goodness what a nightmare that would have been
mandir yahin banega
bangladeshi anchor
I am an Indian Kashmiri I am proud of it. Don't want to join a failed Pakistani state in any case.
♥️🇮🇳
Love u brother
Jai Hind. I am sorry for the lockdown there. I think Modi was wrong to extend it for so long.
Great bro 💪 we are always with u for development .....aisa nahi hai ki hum kosis nahi kar rhe hai.....but india ki population itni jyda ho gayi hai ki ek sath sabhi ko khus karna muskil ho gaya hai
But what military is doing ?
Hina Rabbani: Pakistan has seen the worse and now is on a good trajectory.
Checkpoint 2023: Its worse than 2017
Forget indian army, Shashi tharoor alone can annihilate pakistan with his vocabulary
With what vocabulary? The english language? The same way the British annihilated India? Right.
Not wise at all .. if this is sarcasm it is in poor taste. If anything, I believe Tharoor can debate really well and brings all points to the table .. in the same way I believe the Pakistani speaker also had good points. What is left is for India and Pakistan to act on all the shortcomings they've admitted to and find ourselves finally agreeing on some things again
What bull!!!
@@hafsaxo0604 they invaded India not annihilated thankfully
@@hafsaxo0604 English is not limited to British usa people also speak English
Two countries separated at 1947, one has successfully entered Mars other is still trying to enter Kashmir.
@Saad King we have ur face as toilet
That's was good answer
Hahaha u nailed it
Hahah Wtf! Dudu, you hit that hard.
Bcz Mars doesn't has washroom that's why they are not making here...
when you use Al Jazeera as a dating website.
Yaad hai jab modi ki hina na kaha tha ki 56 inch ka seena dhikha degi sabki line marr rahi hai hina
THIS WAS FUNNNEEEH!!!
You have a very limited mindset.
@@navahmed it was meant as a joke Naveed. You have a very limited humour!!
Itz Nivi 😂😂😂🤣
Al Jazeera : India vs PAK is hindu vs muslim
Shashi: Slap, slap, slap, slap
Al Jazeera is just a propaganda channel
@@purushothaman6698 Nope . Their questions are just bitter for some BJP bhakts
@@ksg7882 this debate was biased. He clearly supported Pakistan and showed it as a victim. Aljazeera's ultimate goal is to spread propaganda.
@@ogchirag Tell me one point where you thought Al jazeera as baised
@@ksg7882 when al Jazeera use Armed man and gun man for terrorist in Kashmir they lost it
As a Bangladeshi, when I look at EU, I honestly feel jealous. Bangladesh, India Pakistan, Sri-lanka, Nepal and Bhutan could do a WHOLE lot better, if they could just put aside the differences and put infront the SIMILARITIES which are MORE, and start working together and have EACH OTHERS backs as friends and neighbours! Like the Rohingya crisis, we could use help from India and Pakistan. Bangladesh can be a negotiator to end the violence in Kashmeer since we have past connections with both countries! We would be VERY WELL OFF, if we had a better confederacy!
Bhai ssooon ekta kotha bolchi, Tor kharap lagte pare but till the time you guys don't find any solution to eradicate Radical Islam(I know it sounds really blunt and harsh )there's no solution to the problem. Plus India and Bangladesh(Bangladesh because You guys are getting some control over Radicals still a long way to go,And Hindu population in your has grown from few lakhs to 1.7 Cr)will grow any ways because core focus of our both is development doesn't matter how radical we get.
that can never happen...these conflict were created by British and are fueled by the west.. to keep this region divided
I agree,People really wish something like this would happen but it takes more than wishes and words for it to happen and the complexity is far too big and involves many processes to which some individuals may not agree. And with things like kargil war it becomes extremely difficult for trust to develop
Your idea is really good but not practically possible untill Pakistan and Bangladesh are blindly religious countries. As an Indian we already travel freely to Nepal, Bhutan.
Trust me bro, you do not want to get in kashmir dispute. Bangladeshis left their kashmir obsession behind when they achieved independence and that is exactly why today your country is growing. 🙂
Hina and Shashi seem sincere by acknowledging that both countries are at fault
So much peace in Pakistan.... Even Osama bin Laden find peace like heaven in Pakistan.... No other County like Pakistan
Funny. I bet you are the lowest in your cast system
MONU who u calling terriost
Nayyer Khan you can presume American, as terrorist as Osama was great Islamic person that is why Pakistan was sheltering him
Abhijeet Kumar : LOL: so much peace in india naxalites attack and kill indian citizens and forces every other day...
Daani M Atleast he not killing himself saying Allahu FAkbar
Impressed by the Pakistani lady. She was actually being fair and mature.
Actually not. She knows she cannot deny the accusations and is trying to take India down with her.
Pakistani maall
Shashi tharoor sir is truly a legend ..
I'm proud to be an indian Muslim..
But we Indians are not proud of calling you as a fellow indian! Go to Pakistan
YES! Jai Hind brother!
Jai Hind bhai! 🇮🇳
Your ancestors were Hindus anyway 😮
❤🇮🇳
Shashi makes a good point. You want to see true diversity and brotherhood look at the Indian armed services. A plethora of languages, customs, and religions. All together to protect their homeland, it’s a beautiful thing to see.
Little Traveller jai hind
@Taznaz Z you have no idea
@Taznaz Z really??i dont think so....
@Bibin Thomas how many different languages do they speak ? How diverse food habits, cultural and religious practices do they have? Blacks and whites have practically no religious or linguistic differences. And Philipinos and Indians form a miniscule part of the US army. A sikh soldier in a turban still makes the headlines in the US news!
@Bibin Thomas I have travelled in the USA extensively. The diversity in food habits is next to nil. But for some European, Japanese, Chinese, Indian fine dining or takeaway. Hardly any diverse indigenous cuisine to call their own!
Three educated civilized people discussing topics this is how it can be ...good job. I am a fan of this journalist.
You should not be a fan of him , he is a propagandanist.
@@amanvirsingh6607 I meant fan of how he conducts the interview decently; I know the channel is strongly left and heavily biased towards islamic states.
He is good, but employed in a channel funded by a State that has alleged terrorist connection and horrible human rights record.
He can't be neutral in selecting the topics of discussion!
Really it's an wonder in India and Pakistan
Mehdi hassan is very good debater...... search for his videos.. u will be a fam
Will Al Jazeera ever be unbiased and sensible? Our next debate.
What was unbiased there everything was clear cut civilized talk unlike indian media
Unbiased and sensible like godi media
@@malabarjersey I never seen transparency in Al Jazeera. Is it possible to report all the facts and figures happening in the places like Saudi Arabia?
This debate should be firstly made un india.
@@zuhakhalid3139 Let Al Jazeera reports of wrongdoing in the Islamic World before discussing anything about India. Total Nonsensical Media. The mainstream media is completely unreliable. Blockchain based media is the only solution.
5:12- 5:26... goosebumps on every Indians🇮🇳
Sach mein.
Indeed, im
Yes, but BJP is destroying the diversity by making us a Hindu country, Yes majority of the population is Hindu but for anyone else in India who is not Hindu is having a rough time
goosbumps or modibumps🤣🤣🤣🤣 hindurashtra🤣🤣
Nah nothing special.
This could clearly be the most dignified debate I have come across in a while. Both sides, expressed their views although contradicting.
It's funny how we can get along in other countries but at home we are enemies 🤦
In India state has army, in Pakistan the army has state
Krishna Ryali so your saying Pakistan is prussia
India has had very warm diplomacy going with the Soviet Russia, but why is, who is in power in Pakistan a hurdle in diplomacy. If Shashi can stop his amused smile in the face of calamity here because he knows RAW can bribe almost any politician cousin in Pakistan but not the military which is entrusted with the job to defend the country, so in actuality he wants Indian operative to rule the country.
sorocannal a loser prussia
true
Krishna Ryali I know
This host himself is the biggest Irony here.
Barkha Dutt sound familiar? Just saying if you need a point of reference. ;)
Lolz!!!! Because the anchor is not on ur side and spoke impartially and Mr Tharoor has a bunch of lies to tell
@@searchfortruth6889 every word of his is verifiable from the sources. If u want a bunch of lies listen to imran Khan or the pak foreign minister who said in the latest that India is planning a surgical attack against the US 😂
@@searchfortruth6889 do u know who thiroor is?? ..what he said is right..try to learn from India
@@acharya8959 lolz! Verifiable?? Sources r indian news channels
They both respect one another and listening one another without interrupts.
Shashi tharoor is the type of congressman we all want and we all love.
Shashi Tharoor is so well spoken person 👍
@jvn damm😂😂 its harsh
It would be a dream team, if a diplomat like him, economists like Manmohan and Swamy, a strategist like Rajnath Singh came together. Using less minster of states and more IAS and IFS and other services. India would reach height far beyond China. Given the citizens have positive mindset
We dont actually
No
Forget everything ...Will Qatar ever be Democratic?
lol al jazeera used to be good, now they are becoming a bit more biased
Who needs democracy when every citizen is super rich .
@@hamzatahir6625 hahhahahaha
@@kunalmandhare3144 Qatar despite not having a democratic country still the wealthiest and progressive country in the world. So I think democracy doesn't matter.
@@sameeprince3642 Nothing is more valuable than freedom and rich because of Oil and Oil isn't *forever* .
Loved this debate. Relevant people, experts of their domains and not shouting and interruptions. Peace is inevitable.
It isnt , because Islam doesn't allow peace with the infidels
Throw out Islam .... And then all will be well - Hindus, Sikhs, jains, Buddhists, parsis, Jews, Christians , ahmaddiyya , taoists, confuciants , atheists, agnostics .
Their is only one community all over the world that doesn't allign up with others and even amongst themselves ...
I think now it's time to do part 2 of this debate.
Well Said by Sashi Sir, "In India State has an Army & In Pakistan Army has a state"
Thats a line he stole from Christina Fair.
christina fair also said India funds terrorism inside Pakistan. Army is the most loved institution in Pakistan it actually gets the job done and rather than selfish politicians. The army does not support any of the groups they mentioned.
Not enough though.
Clap clap clap :)
Rohit Meena....Aik hi line ati hai bas is ko bolni .... har interview me
There are bigger problems . India and Pakistan is immaterial. poverty in both countries is big for the each other.
True, I totally agree with you.
But Pakistan should stop, terrorism and start behaving civilly. India has been always a peaceful country unless someone tries to bring a threat to the sovereignty.
However I also believe that war is not a solution. Both the countries should try hard to get rid of poverty and should try to uplift the standard of living of the country.
@Factual Reports yaa so bad we even worship cow but no room for Allah or rapist mohammed
@@pradeepmaurya1610 isn't India the one constantly threatening Pakistan by saying that they can destroy the Pakistan army in 7 days or the indian army is ready to retake Kashmir?
@Factual Reports
Yes, we Indians protect not just cows we protect evens cobras too... .. 😂
We protect animals as much as possible. We believe in peace and humanity.
But how long this snake(Pakistan) will be protected from us... 😂 We cannot give any guarantee. First we will neutralize Pakistan and later its master China.
@Factual Reports harsh slap.... 😂
You guys are amazing day dreamers...
Just for your rotten memory.. 😂
We have slaped your 91,000 troops in 1971...
We slaped in 1947,
We slaped you in 1965,
We slaped you in 1999... 😂 Hahaha 😂
The amount of maturity shown by Hina is amazing. She puts forth valid points.
They both did. If they were both prime ministers of India and Pakistan we would be much closer to peace
Which one was valid..??
@@hammerhead2362 They can talk like that because they dosent belong to any party and not in any position. Position comes with terms and conditions which is set by elites and capitalists.
"2 nations celebrate their 70th birthday" - Mehdi, only 1 nation is 70 years old. The other goes back thousands of years. Do your research before making sensationalist statements.
Sharang Shandil that 1000s of year of history belongs to all of South Asia before 1947 it was the same nation
@@tasibsharar7357 Precisely my point. the new "created" nation, offshoot is 70 years old.
@@TheMadferit98 I am aware he is referring to independence but he said birth of nations which is incorrect. Mehdi has a reputation for being technical in debates so its only fair. Truth is India gained in independence from imperialists and Pakistan was created/formed.
@@sharangshandil9589 The nation is 70 years old, but the culture is 1000s. He wasn't wrong.
@@guhannar There is a difference between a State and a nation. The State of the republic of india is 70 years old, while the nation goes back to thousands of years, which also includes, its culture.
Funny how she goes for a hindu person's narrative on and on again...... Can't see past religion.
lol, I wish those poor beef eating people in India could make the Hindu extremist see beyond religion. Don't act that India has not become a jingoist hindu nationalist country.
Eli cow worshipers idiots
No we are pork loving people......Its so tasty......
Pro Indian Motivation 👍 great! Keep eating pork. Try and it it everyday 😬 I wonder why suwar is considered a curse word in India?
whatever happens to the relationship between these two countries in future is surely debatable but Hina Rabbani khar is so beautiful is another Matter of debate altogether
i enjoyed the rain in the background
Where?
I too bro 😂😂👍👍👍
Same here brother
@@somnathbhattacharya1698 you aren’t an attentive student XD
It was February, 1835, a time when the British were striving to take control of the whole of India. Lord Macaulay, a historian and a politician, made a historical speech in the British Parliament, commonly referred to as The Minutes, which struck a blow at the
centuries old system of Indian education. His words were to this effect:

I have traveled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such calibre, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country,
unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, I propose that we
replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater
than their own, they will lose their self-esteem, their native self-culture and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated.
Its so painful to see that they won in conquering India and continue to do so.
You should be proud on mughals
@@mujahidafridi112 I'm an admirer of both Akbar and Rana Pratap. Akbar was an expansionist, and also an outsider with no Indian origin, but still he was a liberal. In his constituency he treated every men and women, every religion, ended previous "Radical Islamist" atrocities, for example zizia tax on Hindus etc. Till this date in Indian History texts in every school he is referred as "Akbar The Great." He never believed in Fanaticism, Religious impositions and "Two Nation Theory." I accept Shah Jahan as one good Indian king who honestly was a half Rajput. But I'd always condemn those who feel proud on evil Aurangzeb.
@@prasanna3378nah Ashoka was a unique one since he was the first emperor to think of the local people rather think about taxes or monetary sum
Your quote is fake.😂😂 Macaulay never said that, the RSS invented it.
What a closing statement by hina.
In short we can not clap with one hand .
The reason these two country are fighting over Kashmir is indeed for one of important resource, '"Water".
It sounds good when educated people are in discussion.
We got Hina-Mehdi in one 🤣🤣🤣
Indian understood this joke 😅
For others,
Hina is cosmatic brand in India that sell MEHDI 😅
It is very common in India
Wonderful debate . No fights. Respects each other. Nice.
I like her smile!!! why is she living in London, has pakistan become not safer to a former minister?
Pakistan is Much safe then India for women 😂😂
@@viralcuteanimal5698 don't make us laugh please.
@@anulehobiswas7542 no need laugh world already laugh on India
@@viralcuteanimal5698 while crying seeing the structure of republic 🤣🤣😂🤣 structure of Pakistan
@@anulehobiswas7542 yeah u can just laugh what else u can do...watch ur sick media who makes u happy to make u more sicker and keep u happy with a lie.... best of luck watch Nankana corridor videos to understand the truth people both sides wants peace
The interviewer has been leaning towards Khar several times. here are a few examples:
1. 2:30 "you sound pessimistic..." -- narrates Tharoor and sets the POV for the audience. Switching back to Khar he pours in all his energy uttering "Optimistic". She took the opportunity and cleverly put two countries on equal playing fields "we have as two countries only added to the basket of problems... ".
2. 3:36 "It is very fine for you as host.." kind of patronage only helped her winning his favor along the rest of the interview.
3. Her Siachen point could be easily vilified, had Hasan asked her about justifying Pakistan's demand for demilitarising the mountains while they gave away the adjacent Saltoro region to the Chinese, or had he given Tharoor a chance to counter her point.
4. 7:30 the question from Hasan came across in such a manner that could so much easily be distorted. The key intent was whether or not she agrees that the Pakistani army controls armed groups that carry out violence 'on both sides of the border '(trying to throw her a cover of victimhood). She took "Military's role in the Kashmir policy" out of the context and digressed it into talking about the front that "Pakistan's government" was putting up. Again no question from Hasan.
5. 11:36 The only time I think Hasan managed to force her to remain on point. Appreciate.
6. Through the interview, the format has been, starting with Tharoor, have his finger pointed towards Pakistan and then have Khar defend their position and at times ending with an allegation back at India, and Hasan moving on with the next question back at Tharoor. Even at the end of the interview, Khar gets to end it with her account. This pattern had systematically undermined Tharoor.
Final Thoughts:
There are other points to substantiate this claim. It is left as an exercise for the audience to find them.
Like wars never determine who is right. Debates too can just tell you who is the winner. And here apparently Hina Khar is the one if we ignore the bias. Unless she was not set up.
i agree with u By far this is somewhat an equal interview what mehdi has given i dont know why they don't see the reality .... If army does violence in Kashmir is it justified to be a country who export terrorists !!
Plz teach me to write.....plz
Very well put my friend. AJ n MH generally, n I use this word after watching hours of AJ coverage on India, tends or tries to put India on the spot. MH I suppose is a student of NYT or WP who carefully picks out facts to suit a particular narrative. I won't blame them. They do what their editorial board tells them to do. AJ too has a bias. However overall I would say this was a quote "fair" unquote debate.
Hina ma'am: Pakistan is moving from radicalism to liberalism.
Pakistani Army: Hold my monopoly!
Now the Prime minister has more power then the army
She is wrong, Liberalism can never have its foothold in Pakistan the way India or the west deem liberalism to be.
We were formed on theocratic basis. and will likely, like to remain that way. Different countries have different ways of administrating. Ours is this, like it or not. I hate to break it you, but theocracy also empowers the nation and people, emboldens free speech, and is a proponent of democratic repertoires.
As for military intervention, it has always occurred due to ineptitude of the civilian leadership, whose politics is castigated on kinship and patronage rather than the national interest of the country. Military shall not have a role in politics, rightly so, but when there is a vacuum of leadership, it has to be filled. Root cause of military interference is civilian leadership not having allegiance to the state but only to their kin.
Now that I have said it, you already are picturing me as a radical person with an AK47 and a turban and beard. I prefer M4 Carbine and a Gucci hat though :D
Stereotype speaks for you. alas!
@@zt3gaming796PM of Pakistan cannot complete their full office years.
Is this power?
They patiently listened to each and tactfully handled Mehdi Hassan.. Respect to both of them
Osama bin Laden find peace like heaven in Pakistan.
Saurabh Raj
As togadiya, Bala thakre etc enjoying there.
You see any pic any body of usama bustard that was only propaganda that cause world called hindus nonscenc..amrica made drama only 😂😂😂😂
Modi is worst than biladin i guedd
@@famfam4906 these are not terrorists
And modi born in india killer of 2000 people
i am pakistani and i am totally rely on whatever Tharoor said... in pakistan has military role.
Pakistani knows thank you I'm indian
First Pakistani who accepted truth. U r a practical guy bro.
@Saad King yeah here u have a problem with someone speaking the truth from your country also
Iqrar Ali I am Indian and I agree with pakistan.. Kashmir should be an independent state
@@ajbob2064 when did Pakistan say that Kashmir should be an independent state??
This is how a debate should be conducted and hats odf to Hina and Shashi for behaving in such a professional manner.
And Mr.Tharoor is always been a gem of India.
Haha, last lines of the girl were epic!!
I didn't find it anything interesting she said pakistan is changing..where did it changed..its 2021 still the same..the govt had to take the vote of confidence even before completing its 5 years😅 till the time pakistanis leave this muslim mentality n kashmir obsession they aren't gonna develope n keep interfering in India's development
@@shasha0076 Well What about your side of the well? India has gone from evil to pinnacle of Evil. Look into yourself before pointing fingers at others
@@darkace0387 wt evil. If militants try to kill the normal ppl and army officials and some ppl from there try to save those militants or help to escape them. Would you keep quiet? Don't be stupid just bcz you the access to the internet. Go n check india's history abt the war or violence. They never take the first move just gives the response its a history n fact. Pakistan is world known for its terrorist missions and been linked with many world known terrorist like osama bin laden
@@shasha0076 Have you ever wondered what makes these so called militants on your end visous, no? right? because those who do not understand true pain can never understand true peace.” “We are but men, drawn to act in the name of revenge we deem to be "justice". But when we call our vengeance "justice", it only breeds more revenge ... forging the first link in the chains of hatred.” Wouldn't it be called hypocricy? You cry for your deads but what about you when you kill their side of the people? To you they are terrorists but for them you are terrorists and they are freedom fighters fighting for their justice and if you want a proof on who started this chain of hatred first then learn about your history, You'll find the answer right there.
@Ayush Chaturvedi This sole thinking of shows the level of your mindset. Well okay let's just wait 50 years then. Right now you guys are driving taxis as well oh and also weboth struggle with poverty mind giving some thought on that first.
It was a worse game played by the British to leave a piece of land; Kashmir in between to keep on fight for that.
Ismail Jamal : Traitors Jinnah and Nehru were party to it..
Mohammed Zaman Kashmir is Indian land
Hang on The state of J&K acceded to India in 1947 Period.
humungous09
Idiots and illiterates like you are not aware of history and carry out supercilious understanding of facts. Whatever Nehru had done in Kashmir, should be praised. Nehru was always the supporter of united secular India.it is because of the greed of some people like Jinnah, india was partitioned
@ OJASVI GARG So why Nehru opposed declaring India a secular state? Which laws in India are secular? Why Nehru accepted partition then? Nehru wanted J&K to be given to Pakistan. Looks you need to study some history.
nobody is asking anyone from Kashmir what they actually want for themselves.
They want a separate sovereign which is not possible
Such amazing interview from all 3 intelligent people. I have to say Hina was more objective and less defensive than Shashi.
When a person is in fault he behaves like this
@@amanahlawat5603 nah buddy, the states do crazy stuff on both sides. The people get screwed in the middle
@@RK-nq3fj it implies on you not on us🤣
@@ashutoshtare9079 What does that mean? :)
@@RK-nq3fj your statement implies on pakistan not India.🙄
Imagine, if this debate was
conducted by arnab goswami 😂
Ooo I hate that guy
Haha
India wants to know
I would have changed the channel, otherwise I will throw up
dolby atmos hate that
She was hopeful that democracy was coming 'back' 😂 look at the situation now 😂😂🤣
talk about urself idiot. its so good to see u idiots going on the path of distruction nd u will see the great fruit of that in next 10 to 15 years
@@saadkh95 Happy seeing others get destroyed? This is the mentality that got you where you are. Always praying for other's destruction 👍👍
Yeah your mentality is now visible to the whole world how much of peace loving people u are is clear by how ur media fools u nd the movies that are shown to u with made up history of subcontinent nd u people feel like u were Kings lol. U were under our rule for 1000 years nd what u learned from it can be seen in your terror loving tea seller. Nd for ur kind info I want to see a prosperous subcontinent but the path India is following is what we have gone through nd trust me you'll curse modi for it in years to come but cheers anyways...
@@saadkh95 do u think Pakistan will even continue to exist till future? 😂 seriously... It's already near to its end!! Economy is completely collapsed!! How many days can anyone survive on begging? 😂 karzz lotaana bhi to h ek din don't u know?? Karzz lotaane ki haisyat h tumhari??? Pakistan will soon collapse mark my words!! Also there are so many separatists movements in every state of Pakistan. Sindh wants azad Sindhudesh, Balochistan wants azad Balochistaan and PTM wants seperate Pakhtunistan and azad Waziristan.. There already is a huge puncture on ur state economically as well as socially. Pakistan won't survive for too long!! That's the truth
@Rafael yes. Very 👌👌
anchor knew that he can’t argue throor because throor is far more knowledgable than both of them combined
Subjective to everyone knows somthing and not everything 😎
@@foridkhan1966 Tharoor's English > Whole Pakistan's English
@Basit Amin you gotta be kidding me
@Basit Amin Yah, Imran khan have authentic knowledge right?
Japan and Germany shares border. 😂
Basit Amin then you just laugh and keep laughing while we take our land back 😂
The bottom line is right wing and even "centrist, secular" Indian politicians can always use Pakistan as a scapegoat so they want conflict to continue
U talk like pak army is a saintly force. Just few years back they were slaves of a dictator and now again the army is showing their control over the country’s politics. India is a democracy. Only mishap was emergency. But I haven’t seen pak being a democracy ever…like when was the last time a PM completed one full term…
I really thought IK will bring a change in this cesspool but even he has been ousted by the military and other external influences. Now I don’t have any hope…
So good to see the rules of debate firmly in place.
Hina seems much more logical here. While Shashi just wants a blame game.
@Geoffrey MD true af
hatred comments please spread love peace in South Asia. we all are one we have such a larger issues poverty, hunger are some of them.
Hug respect to Ma'am Hina for being more mature and sensible. Truely proud of our former foreign minister 💕
Instead of blame games we should see what actually happened in recent past, as action speaks louder than words.
Please tell the world why she is UK before respecting her . Does she not wan to be in her country. ?
She will be hoor of someone in jannat
@@PriyankaSharma-cw2jb lol
I couldn't imagine a US diplomat ever having this conversation with Mexico, Canada or anyone else for that matter. We rarely ever admit fault and when we do it's always "ends justify the means" or "who cares, you do it too"
That’s why I get annoyed by Americans Americans are like the British too prideful and ignorant
I always find it funny when Mehdi Hassan asks his interviewees clarification questions when they say something ridiculous since it is clear as day that they are saying something ridiculous, but when he was asked by richard dawkins about Muhammad literally flying on a winged horse to heaven and splitting the moon with his finger, Mehdi said he 100% believes that story
Derrick Wade just because there is not a proof? Since when truth became dependent on proofs? Your soul knows that proofs have always been manufactured?
there is no proof for the event
there is no proof that it didn't happen either. it boils down to your acceptance. truth is not dependent on human mind's limited horizon of knowledge further limited by personal ego, supremacism (i m better than you attitude). live in the present times and learn to see through things. you will reach absolute truth.
Your closing statement Ms. Henna was well thought .
Isn't the host supposed to be neutral here ?
Why does he appear to take a side ?
Kudos to Mr. Tharoor for having utmost respect and regard for India acknowledging even the mistakes.
It is a channel from Qatar.
He clearly did not take any side his questions were just bitter fir some fundamentalists like u I guess.
@@geezgod231 That is your opinion and I respect that. I don't think what I have said in any way sounds like a fundamentalist, maybe you need to check what it means first and then comment. Just compare the questions he asked about India vs the ones he asked about Pakistan, and the way he asked them too.
'Funded by Qatari government'. Lmao that's what we can expect from such a news channel
Well done Hina Rabbani Khar..
This is what a debate looks like when liberal,sane, educated representatives of people are given a platform.
First time ever I am in love with the PPP member
Brilliant Hina
wow that last speech say it all.
Jinnah, Gandhi and Nehru will be dismayed by the current situation. really?? weren't they around when hundreds of thousands butchered each other in Calcutta, Punjab, Bengal, UP etc etc. Leaders may look tall in hindsight but they are actually not
Amar they are talking about the visions of these leaders, both sides thought the problems are short lived, one side thought homogeneity would solve the issue, while other side went with a different approach.
The woman nailed it,
LOL
The woman was nailed ......
The way she is dealing this Calmly and Logically is just amazing. More power to you girl 🔥
Ok but he has facts...lol
She got more facts
Shashi Tharoor in mind - thukra ke mera pyar mera intqaam dekhegi😆
India and Pakistan are enemy but throor and mehr are
In public : we are just friends 😂😂😂😂
Wow! I really didn't expect this kind of discussion coming from aljazeera. Even though Its a biased channel, the speakers made a difference. Both of them are true. Really good to hear the pakistani view. May we be blessed with peace.
mukunda you can see all debates and they are conducted in the same manner so that proves the channel is not biased
@@EddySimon1 Are u a Pakistani
You will never learn
Jazeera a propaganda Machine will cry for democracy and secularism in India but be cool about OIC countries. Stupidity with dangerous money
Great debate. Kudos to everyone. This is how a debate should be
Shashi Tharoor talks sense only when he is talking to foreign media.
Mr Mehdi why don't you unveil the real face of Saudis? O yeah let me guess you don't have the power to do so because you will rot in some Saudi prison. Its easy to debate on a controversial topic and good for your show's rating but let me tell you nobody hates each other neither we are rivals. Political parties and armies of both countries implant the seed of haterad in the hearts of innocent people to gain the ground for their heinous crimes. Its simple to unite the whole nation under the banner of common enemy. So the benefit of few is resulting in so called rivalry and you are cashing the opportunity to further create a gap.
Mehdi Hassan will criticize every other country under the sun for its lapses but not his own country. Double standards.
What does Saudi has to do here
@@rakeshsarvabhotla4998 do you remember or know Jamal Kastogi?
Hes a qatari
@@footyclips6476 and an Oxford graduate
Never mind the fight between India and Pak, was it only me that sensed a little bit of admiration and flirty bantering between the two former foreign ministers. :p
Khar clearly seemed more 'optimistic' about the things and have a ''move on'' type of attitude. She even admired Mr. Tharoor's acumen multiple times..
Mr. Tharoor, on the other hand, was more interested in blame games!!
@@pluviophile8427 of course Tharoor did most of the blaming because there is so much to blame about what pakistan has done in india. Khar cant play the blame game because she has nothing true to blame india about.
@@143varunsherke2 true.
@@143varunsherke2 HAhha that's the most absurd thing i have ever heard. India always has been whinning and blaming others for the evil acts they do. Isreal and India have pertty similar mindset
@@darkace0387 evil acts hu😂. So 26/11 Mumbai attack was not evil, celebrating Uri attack was not evil, or the countless more terrorist attacks by terror cells in pak were not evil. Pak even sends terrorists in Iran and Afghanistan too. Do some research before commenting bullshit.
Hina Rabbani Khar is a great diplomat. Absolutely precise and honest!
The anchor is rude.He has a motive of being against India.
@one world so?
Lol his family is from India, way to do your research.
@@hafsaxo0604 he's an anchor of Al Jazeera lol
@gbix 14 are there no muslim Indians? Or do you prefer there not to be?
@@shrutigupta4955 with Indian roots
love india !!
israel rocks Oppressors loving another Oppressor!
Zaki Uddin shut up
Zaki Uddin LoL oppressor calling others oppressor LoL 😂😂
לזיין איסלאם
Mike USARMY together we are more powerful than allah hu fuckbar
I think Khar was more courageous than Mr. Tharoor to accept the truth while knowing that some people back home won't agree to it. I'm a fan of Mr. Tharoor but the lady stole the show.
Who is he???
Don't tell me he is considered an intellectual.
The most insane person I've ever seen. Did nothing in debate , apart from denying the facts.
@@zaraqureshi8029 Oh finally there is a person from Porkistan who is very intellectual to pass judgment like..who is he?😆😆😆
The fact of the matter is Pakistan is a terrorists state whole world agreed on it, nobody denied the facts.
I asked this question because I really don't know. (Infact I guess most Pakistanis would not have slightest idea of this MOST INTELLIGENT PERSON'S existence)
But thanks for clarifying me the fact that a person who acknowledges rapists and even glorifies atrocious and heinous crimes is considered an intellectual in India.
she is blaming everyone and everything and defending pakistan"the land of peaceful people"
@@gomugomu3701 Thery is a saying in kannada Kuninardavlge nela donku....
I came here to feel like I am in a cricket stadium.
That lady has more manly voice then sashi Tharoor 😂
Glorifying manliness and masculinity again, are we? Get some education please.
@@drinajoseph6950 ok but , would you like to suggest me some courses or anything which goona let me understand that how I am glorifying anything or dishonoring something . And even if I did it shouldn't be a problem unless and untill I dishonour anything.
Bloodiest journalist ever in the history of journalism
He is a Pakistani Muslim. What else can he be?
He is bloodiest because he let people to speak... not like an indian jourlists keep braking each other
Akh Nabeel he let people speak here but his usual style is to shout you down non stop and not let you answer a question
@@DipakBose-bq1vv Dipak loray dont just assume things, he comes from an indian background.
He is biased fck
Hina Rubbani Khar. You got my appreciation.Excellent Counter arguments. Welldone
Well that wasn't epic until you didn't got opportunity to get reply from tharoor . Interview stopped there and dhar got lucky
Wow... I got the drift when he never mentioned about terrorism in opening talk!
The answer to all questions is very simple and logical, which is, governments of both countries don't want as nations of both countries do intend to mingle and have respect and a good feeling for each other. In many counties where Pakistanis and Indians are, they reciprocate with open arms. For both governments, it is an escape-goat strategy to get the attention of the citizens diverted with such animosity whenever they feel their own nations are asking for the answers for not the development, alleviation of the poverty, free education, the equal justice system, etc, promised earlier.
I would second you on this , you have totally addressed the elephant in the room , no sensible citizen of both countries could deny this fact as both countries government use this as an escape plan and start bad mouthing their neighbour country .
Well we citizens want peace but the politician and establishment have their own interests
@@makkzakaria3844 😇
@@makkzakaria3844 Now they are up to global government which means micromanagement on a big scale where taking breaths will be counted. In the name of tech advancement, we will be slaved in the future. Our children's future is at stake. I am not pessimistic, so to speak, but when I say injustices in the world, the only thing that comes to mind is that living with dignity is scarce now.
Hina Rabani just made the conclusion, India would be life happy state if Pakistan didn’t exist!!
Which was a sarcasm if one would notice
It's Hina not Heena
skywalker4710 the comment was also a sarcasm if you noticed 😂
@kang kang at that time all pak ind bd are together...its not only india's problem
Muhammad Ahmad Behlim corrected
Sashi tharoor never mentioned single time about Hafeez Syed Masood Azhar and Syed Sallahudin who are the three key faces of terrorism in Kashmir handling by 🇵🇰army and government.And they have always foiled the Indo -pak attempt to resolve Kashmir issue peacefully and on both strategic and common interests.
Jjkhjgkjhkjb hgjhghnjn mehdi hasan has interviewed shashi Tharoor many times, and every single time his subject remains same which Kashmir..
He's too procupied thinking about Miss. Sunanda.
Saurya Dey 5 of soviet polit beatu members were murdered by stalin,leo tratisky was eliminated by stalin,many generals and inventors were murdered by stalin,he single handedly ruled the country and your country was begging arms from that country ,even now you are dependant on russia,your so called biggest democracy ,it is an ignorant logic which only emanate from a benighted indian,resd something
Muhammad Aamir looks like Pakistan has become a top weapon manufacturer surpassing United States and Russia
Super Singh Khosa Toor u remenber 1949 1965 and 1999 right pissdrinker u became salves 3 times lol and pakistan is not tiny
Both the two panelists are great 👍
The people of India and Pakistan have no bad feelings towards each other. It’s just the governments.
You will get your answer of who hate each other when it comes to Kashmir.
Sharishth Singh eeerm not really bud! That’s political. Not really emotional! 😜
@@sidgupta426 you may not be but many others on both side.😉
Lol the comments section of any India vs Pakistan themed video proves otherwise
Sharishth Singh me personally I don’t give a f*** about Kashmir.
I think they would feel exactly like Jinnah would about Pakistan today...."Nailed it".
Shashi Tharoor---Thug life😎
That was more of a stupid thing than to nail it.
peace with pakistan?? no thanks. we r good.
Max 777 true😎
do you think indians will eat the peanuts while they use nukes???lol!!!
Glurp puffloid I believe the term status quo was used on numerous occasions by shashi tharoor in the video. look it up.
Glurp puffloid the status quo implied the amelioration of situations after kargil (except 2008-2009 when diplomatic channels were broken due to mumbai terror atracks), and despite the Yuri strikes diplomatic efforts were being made, essentially it means "let us agree to disagree". This is not the same as pushing for peace imo, since peace seems unachievable currently.
Max 777 you look very Indian in your profile picture, congrats
Watching this today and I want to remind the former foreign minister of Pakistan that she said Pakistan was progressing, but look at the country now.
If Jinnah and Jawahar were still alive then.... they would have asked each other “what proportion of minorities did we begin with in 1947 and proportion of minorities do we have today?”
Then there would have no war at all
@@mateen1979 lol there was a war in 1947 when Nehru and Jinnah were alive
@@AvanRoyOfficial yup u r right but that was not an official war between India and Pakistan. They didn't attack each other's land. If jinnah and gandhi/ nehru Had lived more they would have solved kashmir issue
@@mateen1979
Maybe Nehru and Gandhi but not Mr Jinnah lol
That dude started a religious riot after loosing a election he is the reason for Pakistani involvement in Kashmir and Pakistan existing as the state.
@@AvanRoyOfficial he liberated half of kashmir otherwise whole kashmir would have been fighting for freedom. Nehru also promised to hold plebiscite in kashmir but his successor didn't fulfill the promise that caused bloodshed between 2 neighbor. It's not right to study half history
I want a repeat of these two. Mehdi, make it happen.
Chickens are coming to roost 🤣🤣🤣
Very articulate Mam Khar. You give people like us hope.
Thats the difference..she is talking in favour of her party and Shashi is talking in favour of the nation..