How do you feel about the firmware? On one hand I'm happy to have it butt at the same time I'm really annoyed that it took Canon two years to come up with a solution to the overheating issue. Personally I feel like they could have done this a long time ago but were holding out till the R5 C sales started to come down. What do you think?
You’re so right in your rant. Their focus is profit rather than supporting their customers with their businesses. I’ve experienced this with Canon before with the 5D3. They haven’t changed. Just bought the R5C but haven’t opened with so I’m sending it back after this. Thanks so much.
You're welcome thanks for the comment. I Canon needs to focus on changing it's reputation. They make good products bet they need to cultivate a positive connection with customers. The R5 is fantastic now with the new firmware you'd only need the R5C for high end video work,
@@vaskoobscura_ Agree I’m now thinking of getting the R5. I have about 3x great EF lenses which I invested in new so don’t really want to upgrade to RF just yet. It’s great you showed how the 16-35 EF worked, not many reviewers do. I’ve heard you can’t use many of the features with EF. Have you found it ok in comparison to the RF’s in particular the IBIS. R5C is lacking IBIS so I’m afraid it won’t be as good for photography or videography with EF. My main business is photography but am under pressure from clients to supply video too now. Need to capture that market as well.
Hey man Once again thanks for the video The 8k raw message is because the CF Express card is the hottest thing in the camera when recording And given I have left mine in my card reader before, it heats up even when not in use. It's a weird interface issue and is literally the cause of most of Canon's over heating due to them not making g a proper heat sink around it The heat then puts the reader/Writer in a slower read/write mode due to heatsoak
You're welcome thanks for the comment and being part of the channel. Your explanation makes sense. I've noticed how hot my card gets sitting in the reader too. Hopefully Canon has engineers are working on that and the the issue is fixed in the mark II version of the camera.
Thank you for the video! I TOTALLY understand your frustrations with the 2 year wait for the firmware update but I'm so glad they fixed it and that you posted about it. I'm FINALLY at the point that I am ready to get an R5 for myself (been shooting JVC for 4k and Canon 5d mk III for photos and some vid) and this video really helped me solidify my decision! I also shoot hybrid (mostly weddings) and I thank you for all the information.
You're welcome I really appreciate the comment. I used to shoot weddings with the 5dmkIII and I can say for sure you're going to love the upgrade in image quality with the R5. It's on a totally different level. Getting used to the eye AF and some of the new features will be a learning curve but should be easy to figure out. When you get your R5 come back to the channel I have a few good tutorials on how to do things with the R5. Thanks again for the comment.
For extended recording use Crop Movie mode on the R5. The detail is very good and it runs for a long time. I used successfully. No overheating for more than an hour. You do not have use the Standard/High switch for 4K Fine.
my business model for buying equipment has always been watch the reviews on a canon camera for 2-3 years then buy it used when the next new camera comes out and everybody starts selling. 6 months ago I bought a slightly used C200 for half price without having to deal with any glitches or firmware issues. in 2 years I'll know if I want a C70 or an R5 or something else because all the eager buyers will have ranted about what is good or bad. My clients never ask for the newest tech and I would rather use the older equipment I know and trust and let someone else sort through the frustration.
You are a smart buyer. That's exactly what I used to do before I started doing the TH-cam thing. Unfortunately for me to get the views I have to have the latest gear because that's what people want to see but for years I would also wait for new gear to get older before I bought it. Why pay full price? Especially now since advancements in tech aren't that staggering. Most of the time you're paying for marketing hype and features that don't really make a difference. Thanks for the comment. Welcome to the channel. Cheers.
Agreed with the Canon rant. After firmware updates i am finally happy with my C70 and R5. But for future upgrades or changes to my equipment, Canon just has a very sneaky and greedy reputation in my perception. Then again maybe they waited 2 years so that people’s camera’s don’t start dwindling in performance due to heat and cold variation too soon. So now 2+ years of lifespan they figure people won’t be as angry if something happens, plus won’t be in warranty.
That thought had crossed my mind as well. The R5 Mark II is probably 2 years away as well. With the new Nikon R8 being rumored to be direct competition to the R5 it's going to create some competition at that price point. It will be interesting to see what happens. Thanks for the comment.
It is the way to make money. This is the simplest explanation and very likely the right one. Plain and simple. Canon is a company and their mission is to maximize profits, not give you the perfect hybrid camera. Just like Apple. I agree with you. However, as another postered mentioned, I just used 4k crop mode which was downsampled from 5.1k for my 4k. No overheating and no shutdowns. Maybe not the absolute best IQ, but it worked for 2 years. Of course, I am not a video professional so my needs were not critical at all, but if I were, I’d be pissed. But we all have to keep in mind that none of these companies are our friends, they exist to generate profits. People gotta eat, and people at the very top gotta get filthy rich.
Thank you for the comment. Sorry for the late response I'm playing catch up on comments. I agree profit would be the one motivation above all others. That's the one thing all businesses want. It's all about making that money. As consumers we just have to find the camera that fits our needs the best.
kifley19 it call comes down to the lens you use. You can avoid the cropped look by using wider lenses. EFS 10-18mm is a fantastic lens for wide crop video footage.
I was thinking about it. I don't want to scare off any future companies from working with me If I post a rant like that. hahahaha. Maybe I should setup a new channel where I only rant about cameras.
Thank you for the comment. Welcome to the channel i'm glad you like video and are enjoying the firmware update. Sorry for the late response i'm catching up on comments today.
I agree with you about Canon and this firmware. It's ridiculous that they had these artificial restrictions in at the beginning, and I think it was just to steer people toward their more expensive cinema cameras and even the later R5C. I think the "overheating" problems were deliberate, and they were rightly pummeled in the press for it. But I think what happened was that Canon took a look at the competition as well as their sales figures and realized they couldn't get away with handicapping this camera anymore. The Nikon Z9 was just too good, and there's a Z8 on the horizon that will take direct aim at the R5. Plus, the Sony a1, a7S III, and a7 IV are all incredible video cameras that have come out since the R5 was released.
I agree with you. The competition was probably a big factor in the removal of the video overheating restrictions. I just don't understand what Canon is thinking. By restricting their cameras to force people to buy their cinema cameras they are also forcing people to buy other brands as well. I know too many people who have switched to Sony cameras just because of the video features they have. Canon lost a lot of market share by trying to protect their cinema line.
Hey, Vasko! I saw your viral video titled (Canon EOS R & EOS R7 Which One Should You Buy?) which has 12K views. I liked this video a lot, after that I watched a lot of your videos and I think your video is addictive.
Thank you so much for your comment. My apologies for the late response. I'm playing catch up on comments today. I'm glad you've been enjoying the videos and I appreciate the kind words. Welcome to the channel and hopefully you enjoy all the new videos. Feel free to comment on the videos I enjoy talking with my viewers.
I had my R5 since it came out and never updated it lol😂 I should probably do that now. Reason I never updated it was because I never shot that long so it never over heated on me. Now that I want to shoot longer content like podcast for my second channel, I need it to record longer.
Awesome good luck with the update. If the camera gives you issues update to firmware 1.5. 0 first then update to the newest. If you want to record really long with the R5 consider an external recorder. It will record the video feed coming out of the R5's hdmi port and you can record for hours. Depending on how long your podcast is.
One thing very important you didn’t mention: the ambient temperature. You know, the overheat is a composition of camera internal temperature and ambient.
You're right that's a good point I should have said that. I'll make a note of it in the video description so people can see what the room temp was. Thank you for the comment.
After the 1.6 upgrade, the twitching of the background has improved, but it's still uncomfortable. I use RP+RF16mm and it's fine. Because RP doesn't have IBIS. Again, I'm fine with the Canon 250D and the EFS10-18 because the 250D doesn't have IBIS. Therefore, I think the IBIS design of R5/R6 is not perfect. Better not have.I don't know why every video says that 1.6 has been upgraded, the problem is solved, it's great. In fact, the problem is still there!
I agree. I noticed in my test it's better but it's still not 100% but it's definitely in the area I would say is usable. As you said the IBIS design in the camera is probably the issue. Canon has only put IBIS in a few cameras so they still have a long way to go to develop that technology. Thank you for the comment appreciate it.
Totally agree with you, I almost bought the R5C but held off, it seems now the only issue is the record limit which they should’ve added to firmware 1.6.0.
100% agree that 30min record limit needs to go. I picked up a Ninja V to get around that record limit but would have been a lot nicer if the camera was able to record for at least an hour on its own. Thanks for another comment. Appreciated.
Gerald is awesome love his work. You know the R5 and R5 C share the same sensor so they technically should be capable of the same dynamic range. I would love to get my hands on an R5 C just to compare it. I would be curious to see how big the difference is and in what modes the difference is visible. Is it only Clog2 or across the board?
@@vaskoobscura_ You’re right, they do have the same sensor, but somehow the R5c has something more. The various tests were in Clog 2 and 3, Raw and 8K. Check out videos by Monkeypixels and Cam McKay, they also did tests and had better results than the R5 with the R5c
Awesome info! Do you have to format each card in order to reap the benefits of the new firmware or are most of the cards good to go as long as the camera itself is updated?
I don't understand what you're asking. You format the card put the firmware on it than update the camera. Once the new firmware is installed you can format the card again and use it as normal. Hope that answered your question.
Truth is... Sony, Olympus, Panasonic have so much better IBIS it's hard to accept the canon ibis still... compared to the previous firmware it's certainly better... but still not that good.
Hey man thanks for the comment. Huge fan of your channel and humor. It's a nice surprise to get a comment from you. Olympus and Panasonic GoPro iPhone etc all use sensors that are smaller than FF. Less mass to stabilize so they should have better IBIS. But it's good to see Canon taking steps to improve their stabilization. Would be nice if they came out with some lighter lenses too. All their new L glass is massive. Thanks again for the comment.
@@vaskoobscura_ Thanks man! I hear your point but Sony's stabe has gotten so good now it's hard for me to justify Canon IBIS :P I have been using the R7 the last few weeks and it also has the same wobble with a smaller sensor. It's not fair I know but once you get out of the Canon bubble you can see how much better other companies are at it... THAT BEING SAID, I love my C70 and the way it looks! I just wish so strongly that the R5, R3, R6, R7 had better IBIS and I think it's important that creators let canon know that it should continue to get better. They seem to just be behind in the technology compared to other companies.
How id the corner wobble on the R5C by comparison? Both cameras have the same internals so it should be the same on both cameras. But maybe Canon is doing their thing again.
@@vaskoobscura_ Not sure what you mean? I've been impressed how well the digital IS in the R5C works just to be clear. It's much better than the digital IS in the R5 ... and my guess is due to the CinemaOS just does digital IS better than the photo OS version -- like how the photo OS does auto-focus better than the Cinema OS. There's ZERO wobble ever in the R5C cause the sensor is fixed. The sensor is never fixed on the R5, can't "lock" it ... it even rattles around when you turn the dang thing off.
Both of these cameras are now much closer ... but have yet to see anyone with the new firmware leave the R5 on recording or not past 4 hours ... which makes me wonder if it's TRULY unlimited overheating wise ... I can't EVER be in a shoot and the camera bricks temporarily.
Hi thanks for the comment. I used a SanDisk 128GB Extrema PRO CFexpress Card. Here is a link to the card if you want to see it. amzn.to/3TyVoRd Thanks for the comment.
Hi my apologies for the late response. Playing catch up on comments I missed. I've never experienced overheating while shooting photos. Even with shooting videos it's only certain modes that lead to overheating. 4k 60, 4k 120 and 8k are the ones that cause the camera to overheat fast. If you want to shoot a cinematic 4k 24p the camera won't overheat.
Thats one of the reasons why i still dont trust this Camera even with the firmware...i have a canon camera but im switching to Sony..they never had these issues and they get better and better and everyone i talked to are very happy with their sony products..
You gotta use the camera that is right for you. I used to shoot with Sony and got so frustrated with the A7III that I sold it and bought an EOS R. For me it was a much better camera but everyone's needs are different. There is so much variety out there that every type of creator can find the perfect camera for them. :)
I think now the R5 is in the top 5 cameras dead or alive. Lol. TOP 5 Cameras, changed the game: R5 best hybrid, 7D dslr for video , 5Diii reliable photo camera, A7Si low light king, Komodo global shutter & DR for price. What do y’all think?
I think the R5 is currently the best camera that Canon has ever made. When it comes to photo quality that 45mp sensor is amazing. The video features with firmware 1.6.0. makes the hybrid capability amazing. I would definitely say the R5 is in the top 5.
maybe Canon themselves didn't know when the new technology behind the firmware updates would be developed - but don't pull the wool over ppl's eyes in the meantime in any case! Release the already updated camera as & when in the future (not before overheating, IBIS wobble esp is fixed - esp for the pros). But the 5C does sound like poor ethics on their part.
Did you find that this fixed the focus hunting issues? I upgraded to 1.5 only very recently and my video focus is hunting all over the place. Was about to try and downgrade to 1.4 after googling and realising that other people had the same problem, but then just saw your video about the 1.6 update, so maybe I should update up!
I've never had focus hunting issues with the R5 to be honest. I mean maybe when I'm shooting with an 85 1.2 but that's normal for that lens with such a shallow dof. There are menu settings you can change to optimize the camera to track better i'll link the video for you: th-cam.com/video/hqpme7sdPRw/w-d-xo.html Also You can also change the speed at which RF lenses focus so you want it to focus on a subject faster and slower you can change these settings. th-cam.com/video/VvMjZn-clEw/w-d-xo.html Hope that helps.
@@vaskoobscura_ thanks- I didn’t actually have any focus hunting issues at all until I updated to 1.5, but I’ve just updated to 1.6 so am going to find out today whether that’s sorted it 😅
Well yes and no. It's a fantastic camera but I'm judging the camera based on what the marketing for the camera was. What did Canon advertise when they released the camera and did the camera live up to the marketing hype? Companies need to be held accountable. They can't just lie about their product features to get sales than not deliver. That's just not right. But yes overall the R5 is fantastic. It's the best camera Canon has ever made in my opinion.
@@vaskoobscura_ I film weddings and only use the rf5 for when I need auto focus, I have lost few good footages due to canon battery dying on me and then corrupts the footages. I stick to my black magic pocket cameras for the main ceremonies.
I'm not sure to be honest but it world certainly appear to be so. The card is fast enough to Take 8k RAW but seems to slow down as it warmed up. I'll test it again with a much larger card and see what happens.
Your rant is over the line IMHO. Be grateful they made a 1.60. The R5 is selling well. They did not have do a 1.6. I were evil they could have waited for R5 mk II in a couple of years. The R5 beat the competition in in the $3900 price range. Nothing similar yet after two years.
You have a good points there too and I am grateful Canon came out with the firmware thy could have held off until the R5 MkII. But at the same time I feel like Canon created advertising selling a camera that hasn't lived up to it's hype till now. I bought the R5 for the video feature which were unusable for two years.
@@vaskoobscura_ Not all video users need long duration recording without a Atomos Ninja V. Extra gear is a pain but it is doable for those that need it. I for one only shoot short clips of a couple minutes maximum. The Sony 4K cameras sold before the R5 overheated. Only recent Sony models include the standard/high temperature switch. I suspect Canon did a bund reliability tests that take lots time to perform to validate the additional wear the higher temperatures bring. As an engineer I deal l with the lifetime tradeoffs required for high temperature operation. The lifetime of the CF Express B cards is also an issue since they run darn hot and come close to causing pain or burns in people with sensitive skin. Not everyone burns at the same temperature. There are many factors here you may not be familiar with. I believe Canon got pressured by market reaction to R5 and Sony's use of a standard/high temperature setting solution. Product liability lawsuits are very expensive and they happen much more frequently when you operate closer to critical specification. Sony is more aggressive in these things than Canon. I am glad they put the standard high switch in. It gives more time but it is not a complete solution. The R5C has a fan and that is a engineering solution if you want unlimited thermal operation.
I agree. 95% of the video shooters I know never shoot more than 5-10min at a time. For me I've shot a lot of online courses where the teacher talks for a while. That's why I complain about it the record limit.
It’s a rip off … they give u a million dollars worth of spec’s but a dollar bill worth of quality. This is bullshit 8k 4k overheating camera ain’t been on but like 5-8 mins overheating we ain’t get the full 29.9 min worth r u kidding me. R5 a hot ass brick crippled… Sony a7c unlimited recording Sony a7siii unlimited recording Sony a7iv unlimited recording Sony A1 unlimited recording Sony a7riv unlimited recording Sony a6400 unlimited recording 😂 canon r u serious for dam near $5000 Sony Xbox-e10 unlimited recording NO OVERHEATING …………………
I can't argue with you there the 30min record limit on the R5 is a real pain especially now since the overheating issues have been improved. But when it comes to photo quality and quality glass it's hard to find another camera that can compete with the R5. The detail and celerity of an R5 plus RF 85 f1.2 is hard to beat. Every system has it's positives and negatives.
the 30 minute limit sucks, not sure if it’s a tax thing, at first I thought it was the Japanese government, then later saw it might be EU regulations. That means that Nikon and Sony will have the same limits.
There was a tax put on video cameras (anything that can shoot video longer then 30 minutes) but that tax was abolished several years ago. The only reason Canon cameras have a 30min limit now is because Canon wants them to have a 30min record limit. Other brands have removed those recording limits on their cameras already.
It's hard to know why Canon is just now giving users the option of letting the R5 get hotter in order to achieve longer run times. It could be the cripple hammer, though it is completely plausible that it is not. We _do_ know that heat and wider temperature fluctuations lead to accelerated aging of internal components, including the sensor. It is plausible that these higher temperature thresholds will lead to more stuck and dead pixels as well as premature component failures. Canon may have wanted real world data on failure rates at the original temperature limits before allowing them to be raised. It is also possible that they didn't want to be replacing internal parts under warranty. At this point, it is likely that the majority of R5 bodies that will be sold have already been sold. Most failures will happen out-of-warranty at this point. On a different subject, it is worth noting that SanDisk's 128GB and 256GB CFx cards are class-trailing in terms of speed. This isn't true of their 512GB and above capacities. (This is pretty well documented online.)
Your point defiantly makes sense. Canon's 5D series cameras had a product cycle of 4 years with the R5 now being 2 years old we can assume it's half way though it's product cycle. Maybe by the time the components fail from overheating the R5 Mark II will be on the market and that will create more sales for Canon. Who knows. Clearly the R5 was capable of shooting at higher temperatures from the beginning. Personally I feel like Canon brought out this new firmware because of the Nikon R8. The rumors are suggesting that it will be designed to be a direct competitor to the R5 in features. This might have forced Canon's hand and might even get them to remove the 30min record limit as well. But again this is also just speculation. Thanks for the comment and the tip on t he memory cards. Looks like i'll have to invest in a better memory card if I want to record internally. I'm going to go do some reading on that. Thanks.
Thanks for showing this tests! It's true that Canon took it's time to finally solve the video time restriction. Who knows the true reasons for that? An engeneer problem or is it related with sales? Anyway, now it's solved and my question is why they didn't implement the same update to the R6 ... Cheers!
Hey thanks for another comment. I think they didn't put it on the R6 because they want people to spend more money and buy an R5 or R5C if they want better video features. Canon is always trying to upsell people on more expensive cameras.
@@vaskoobscura_ Every camera company does this. In fact, every company that sells product does this. I suspect the R6 will get a similar firmware at some point but it will take time. I think they have been testing the hardware's ability to resist heat before implementing so that cameras aren't suddenly dying and they are faced with a bigger issue.
I can understand the annoyance with canon waiting 2 years, but let’s be honest: they have always been the company to play on the safe side since day 1. We all knew that going into their system. Nobody complained about Sony cameras overheating, so I feel there is definitely marketing bias in that sense. I think we should be grateful Canon is now competing on a high level with other companies on the video specs. There isn’t a single camera out there that can compete with the R5 now in terms of strong video capabilities, high MP photos, great autofocus, and decent low light. Panasonic series is close minus autofocus. Sony has A7IV but it’s cropped 4K, Sony has A7Siii but it’s 12 MP only. I’d say the R5 packs way above its price, especially now with the 1.6.
Hi thanks for the comment appreciate that you took the time to write all that. I agree with you that the R5 now punches above it price point. There is nothing on the market that has the same features. I really do believe it the best camera Canon has ever made. Glad they released firmware 1.6.0 and finally allowed us to use those advanced video modes. Just wish they did it sooner.
@@vaskoobscura_ agreed . If they resolved the overheat issue a year ago, I probably would have extended my life expectancy by avoiding all the stress of overheating the camera during wedding shoots.
That's true. I've been pushing my R5 pretty hard too. Hopefully this new firmware doesn't leave a bunch of R5's burt out just in time for the R5 MKII. lol. What a scandal that would be.
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Hi i have a R5 & R6 i got the R6 because of the heating issue with the R 5 but had a little faith that we can get a workaround using the ninja v plus but pleased that Canon issued the fix in firmware 1.6.0 now only one isse left to get rid of the record restriction
100% agree that 30min record limit has got to go. But also glad that we can record higher end videos without the camera over heating. Firmware 1.6.0 is a game changer. Thanks for the comment.
This is odd. I get 12:24 min/sec at 4k/120 on my 256GB Anglebird CFexpress card. Also in over a year, I've never received a write speed error. Is this a ScanDisk issue? Now for my rant... Why we still have this 30 minute recording limit and yet the R7 and R10 don't ? 🤪🙃😤
About your R5 rant I myself also have the R5 I got it 6 months into its cycle after some of the overheating fixes in firmware version 1.2 And I was able to use a it pretty much exactly as I wanted to because I knew about the restrictions Except for on 2 occasions which were wedding engagements and a theatre performance both of which where saved by me having a Ninja V Also at the time I still had my EOS R which I used for secondary camera For the overheating I was using the battery removal and date change trick in order to extend the battery life up until 2 hours, which meant I had to improvise when I did that About the R5C 2 months ago I had the opportunity to get the R5C, and was considering either getting that or a mavic 3 drone. The R5C was only a consideration specifically due to the video limits as there were some jobs I didn't even apply for due to the limits And I figured that I can work with the video limits but having a new drone would be more beneficial than having 2 canon cameras, especially with one of which I had never used before(or at least the sysyem) So I got lucky now that this update has happened and given instagram's persistence on creating more reach for video than for photos, now finally I too can say that I own one of the best hybrid cameras on the market But Canon did kinda do themselves dirty But it's because they still believe that their customers should buy 1 camera for video, 1 for photos
Hey Kenny thanks for the comment and sharing your story. Yes now you do have one of the best hybrid cameras on the market. I can just imagine if you invested all that money into an R5C only to find out that the overheating issues on the R5 would be gone with a firmware update. That would have been so frustrating. Guess you made the right choice going for that drone. I just picked up a Ninja V last month and am learning how to use it. It really turns the R5 into a pro video camera. I think the future is hybrid cameras. One camera for photo and one for video is such an old way of thinking especially since both video and photo technologies overlap so much.
How do you feel about the firmware? On one hand I'm happy to have it butt at the same time I'm really annoyed that it took Canon two years to come up with a solution to the overheating issue. Personally I feel like they could have done this a long time ago but were holding out till the R5 C sales started to come down. What do you think?
You’re so right in your rant. Their focus is profit rather than supporting their customers with their businesses. I’ve experienced this with Canon before with the 5D3. They haven’t changed. Just bought the R5C but haven’t opened with so I’m sending it back after this. Thanks so much.
You're welcome thanks for the comment. I Canon needs to focus on changing it's reputation. They make good products bet they need to cultivate a positive connection with customers. The R5 is fantastic now with the new firmware you'd only need the R5C for high end video work,
@@vaskoobscura_ Agree
I’m now thinking of getting the R5. I have about 3x great EF lenses which I invested in new so don’t really want to upgrade to RF just yet. It’s great you showed how the 16-35 EF worked, not many reviewers do. I’ve heard you can’t use many of the features with EF. Have you found it ok in comparison to the RF’s in particular the IBIS.
R5C is lacking IBIS so I’m afraid it won’t be as good for photography or videography with EF. My main business is photography but am under pressure from clients to supply video too now. Need to capture that market as well.
Hey man
Once again thanks for the video
The 8k raw message is because the CF Express card is the hottest thing in the camera when recording
And given I have left mine in my card reader before, it heats up even when not in use. It's a weird interface issue and is literally the cause of most of Canon's over heating due to them not making g a proper heat sink around it
The heat then puts the reader/Writer in a slower read/write mode due to heatsoak
You're welcome thanks for the comment and being part of the channel. Your explanation makes sense. I've noticed how hot my card gets sitting in the reader too. Hopefully Canon has engineers are working on that and the the issue is fixed in the mark II version of the camera.
Thank you for the video! I TOTALLY understand your frustrations with the 2 year wait for the firmware update but I'm so glad they fixed it and that you posted about it. I'm FINALLY at the point that I am ready to get an R5 for myself (been shooting JVC for 4k and Canon 5d mk III for photos and some vid) and this video really helped me solidify my decision! I also shoot hybrid (mostly weddings) and I thank you for all the information.
You're welcome I really appreciate the comment. I used to shoot weddings with the 5dmkIII and I can say for sure you're going to love the upgrade in image quality with the R5. It's on a totally different level. Getting used to the eye AF and some of the new features will be a learning curve but should be easy to figure out. When you get your R5 come back to the channel I have a few good tutorials on how to do things with the R5. Thanks again for the comment.
@@vaskoobscura_ Awesome! I definitely will check them out and will check back in when I do. If things go as planned it'll be in a few weeks 🤞🏻
This was a GAME CHANGER. Amazing.
That's my thought too. This firmware is awesome. Thanks for the comment.
I knew you would have the new firmware link! Thanks Man!
You're welcome. Enjoy the new firmware. Thanks for the comment.
For extended recording use Crop Movie mode on the R5. The detail is very good and it runs for a long time. I used successfully. No overheating for more than an hour. You do not have use the Standard/High switch for 4K Fine.
my business model for buying equipment has always been watch the reviews on a canon camera for 2-3 years then buy it used when the next new camera comes out and everybody starts selling. 6 months ago I bought a slightly used C200 for half price without having to deal with any glitches or firmware issues. in 2 years I'll know if I want a C70 or an R5 or something else because all the eager buyers will have ranted about what is good or bad. My clients never ask for the newest tech and I would rather use the older equipment I know and trust and let someone else sort through the frustration.
You are a smart buyer. That's exactly what I used to do before I started doing the TH-cam thing. Unfortunately for me to get the views I have to have the latest gear because that's what people want to see but for years I would also wait for new gear to get older before I bought it. Why pay full price? Especially now since advancements in tech aren't that staggering. Most of the time you're paying for marketing hype and features that don't really make a difference. Thanks for the comment. Welcome to the channel. Cheers.
@@vaskoobscura_ Thanks for the response! Also thank you for the video. This content is extremely informative and helpful.
Agreed with the Canon rant. After firmware updates i am finally happy with my C70 and R5. But for future upgrades or changes to my equipment, Canon just has a very sneaky and greedy reputation in my perception. Then again maybe they waited 2 years so that people’s camera’s don’t start dwindling in performance due to heat and cold variation too soon. So now 2+ years of lifespan they figure people won’t be as angry if something happens, plus won’t be in warranty.
That thought had crossed my mind as well. The R5 Mark II is probably 2 years away as well. With the new Nikon R8 being rumored to be direct competition to the R5 it's going to create some competition at that price point. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Thanks for the comment.
It is the way to make money. This is the simplest explanation and very likely the right one. Plain and simple. Canon is a company and their mission is to maximize profits, not give you the perfect hybrid camera. Just like Apple.
I agree with you.
However, as another postered mentioned, I just used 4k crop mode which was downsampled from 5.1k for my 4k. No overheating and no shutdowns. Maybe not the absolute best IQ, but it worked for 2 years. Of course, I am not a video professional so my needs were not critical at all, but if I were, I’d be pissed. But we all have to keep in mind that none of these companies are our friends, they exist to generate profits. People gotta eat, and people at the very top gotta get filthy rich.
But all your focal lengths will be cropped. That sucks.
Thank you for the comment. Sorry for the late response I'm playing catch up on comments. I agree profit would be the one motivation above all others. That's the one thing all businesses want. It's all about making that money. As consumers we just have to find the camera that fits our needs the best.
kifley19 it call comes down to the lens you use. You can avoid the cropped look by using wider lenses. EFS 10-18mm is a fantastic lens for wide crop video footage.
Unleash your original rant! Canon definitely deserves it! 😂
I was thinking about it. I don't want to scare off any future companies from working with me If I post a rant like that. hahahaha. Maybe I should setup a new channel where I only rant about cameras.
17:00 halarius but true ....RELEASE THE RANTS WE LUV RANTS WE LUVE RANTS
I'm sure I could start a Canon Rants channel and have plenty of content to talk about. hahaha. Thanks for the comment.
Nice video my guy. Updated mine and I almost cried the first time I tested it. So I understand you. Lol.
Thank you for the comment. Welcome to the channel i'm glad you like video and are enjoying the firmware update. Sorry for the late response i'm catching up on comments today.
I agree with you about Canon and this firmware. It's ridiculous that they had these artificial restrictions in at the beginning, and I think it was just to steer people toward their more expensive cinema cameras and even the later R5C. I think the "overheating" problems were deliberate, and they were rightly pummeled in the press for it.
But I think what happened was that Canon took a look at the competition as well as their sales figures and realized they couldn't get away with handicapping this camera anymore. The Nikon Z9 was just too good, and there's a Z8 on the horizon that will take direct aim at the R5. Plus, the Sony a1, a7S III, and a7 IV are all incredible video cameras that have come out since the R5 was released.
I agree with you. The competition was probably a big factor in the removal of the video overheating restrictions. I just don't understand what Canon is thinking. By restricting their cameras to force people to buy their cinema cameras they are also forcing people to buy other brands as well. I know too many people who have switched to Sony cameras just because of the video features they have. Canon lost a lot of market share by trying to protect their cinema line.
Hey, Vasko! I saw your viral video titled (Canon EOS R & EOS R7 Which One Should You Buy?) which has 12K views. I liked this video a lot, after that I watched a lot of your videos and I think your video is addictive.
Thank you so much for your comment. My apologies for the late response. I'm playing catch up on comments today. I'm glad you've been enjoying the videos and I appreciate the kind words. Welcome to the channel and hopefully you enjoy all the new videos. Feel free to comment on the videos I enjoy talking with my viewers.
I had my R5 since it came out and never updated it lol😂 I should probably do that now. Reason I never updated it was because I never shot that long so it never over heated on me. Now that I want to shoot longer content like podcast for my second channel, I need it to record longer.
Awesome good luck with the update. If the camera gives you issues update to firmware 1.5. 0 first then update to the newest. If you want to record really long with the R5 consider an external recorder. It will record the video feed coming out of the R5's hdmi port and you can record for hours. Depending on how long your podcast is.
@@vaskoobscura_ what brand do you suggest I’m new to external drives never had one before or used
One thing very important you didn’t mention: the ambient temperature. You know, the overheat is a composition of camera internal temperature and ambient.
You're right that's a good point I should have said that. I'll make a note of it in the video description so people can see what the room temp was. Thank you for the comment.
@@vaskoobscura_ Thanks Vasko.
After the 1.6 upgrade, the twitching of the background has improved, but it's still uncomfortable. I use RP+RF16mm and it's fine. Because RP doesn't have IBIS. Again, I'm fine with the Canon 250D and the EFS10-18 because the 250D doesn't have IBIS. Therefore, I think the IBIS design of R5/R6 is not perfect. Better not have.I don't know why every video says that 1.6 has been upgraded, the problem is solved, it's great. In fact, the problem is still there!
I agree. I noticed in my test it's better but it's still not 100% but it's definitely in the area I would say is usable. As you said the IBIS design in the camera is probably the issue. Canon has only put IBIS in a few cameras so they still have a long way to go to develop that technology. Thank you for the comment appreciate it.
Totally agree with you, I almost bought the R5C but held off, it seems now the only issue is the record limit which they should’ve added to firmware 1.6.0.
100% agree that 30min record limit needs to go. I picked up a Ninja V to get around that record limit but would have been a lot nicer if the camera was able to record for at least an hour on its own. Thanks for another comment. Appreciated.
Give the R5C a try. According to tests by Gerald Undone, the dynamic range is better than the R5
Gerald is awesome love his work. You know the R5 and R5 C share the same sensor so they technically should be capable of the same dynamic range. I would love to get my hands on an R5 C just to compare it. I would be curious to see how big the difference is and in what modes the difference is visible. Is it only Clog2 or across the board?
@@vaskoobscura_ You’re right, they do have the same sensor, but somehow the R5c has something more. The various tests were in Clog 2 and 3, Raw and 8K. Check out videos by Monkeypixels and Cam McKay, they also did tests and had better results than the R5 with the R5c
Awesome info!
Do you have to format each card in order to reap the benefits of the new firmware or are most of the cards good to go as long as the camera itself is updated?
I don't understand what you're asking. You format the card put the firmware on it than update the camera. Once the new firmware is installed you can format the card again and use it as normal. Hope that answered your question.
Truth is... Sony, Olympus, Panasonic have so much better IBIS it's hard to accept the canon ibis still... compared to the previous firmware it's certainly better... but still not that good.
Hey man thanks for the comment. Huge fan of your channel and humor. It's a nice surprise to get a comment from you. Olympus and Panasonic GoPro iPhone etc all use sensors that are smaller than FF. Less mass to stabilize so they should have better IBIS. But it's good to see Canon taking steps to improve their stabilization. Would be nice if they came out with some lighter lenses too. All their new L glass is massive. Thanks again for the comment.
@@vaskoobscura_ Thanks man! I hear your point but Sony's stabe has gotten so good now it's hard for me to justify Canon IBIS :P I have been using the R7 the last few weeks and it also has the same wobble with a smaller sensor. It's not fair I know but once you get out of the Canon bubble you can see how much better other companies are at it... THAT BEING SAID, I love my C70 and the way it looks! I just wish so strongly that the R5, R3, R6, R7 had better IBIS and I think it's important that creators let canon know that it should continue to get better. They seem to just be behind in the technology compared to other companies.
@@connormccaskill Sony's ibis the worst.
Wobble is still too gnarly for me. I’ve been shocked by the digital IS in the R5C.
How id the corner wobble on the R5C by comparison? Both cameras have the same internals so it should be the same on both cameras. But maybe Canon is doing their thing again.
@@vaskoobscura_ Not sure what you mean? I've been impressed how well the digital IS in the R5C works just to be clear. It's much better than the digital IS in the R5 ... and my guess is due to the CinemaOS just does digital IS better than the photo OS version -- like how the photo OS does auto-focus better than the Cinema OS. There's ZERO wobble ever in the R5C cause the sensor is fixed. The sensor is never fixed on the R5, can't "lock" it ... it even rattles around when you turn the dang thing off.
Both of these cameras are now much closer ... but have yet to see anyone with the new firmware leave the R5 on recording or not past 4 hours ... which makes me wonder if it's TRULY unlimited overheating wise ... I can't EVER be in a shoot and the camera bricks temporarily.
hey, great video very helpful! what card did you use on the R5 in this video?
Hi thanks for the comment. I used a SanDisk 128GB Extrema PRO CFexpress Card. Here is a link to the card if you want to see it. amzn.to/3TyVoRd Thanks for the comment.
Once again another great video very helpful question have you ever experienced overheating with taking photos or is it just over heating in video mode
Hi my apologies for the late response. Playing catch up on comments I missed. I've never experienced overheating while shooting photos. Even with shooting videos it's only certain modes that lead to overheating. 4k 60, 4k 120 and 8k are the ones that cause the camera to overheat fast. If you want to shoot a cinematic 4k 24p the camera won't overheat.
@@vaskoobscura_ no problem I understand. Thanks so much 🙏🏾
Thats one of the reasons why i still dont trust this Camera even with the firmware...i have a canon camera but im switching to Sony..they never had these issues and they get better and better and everyone i talked to are very happy with their sony products..
You gotta use the camera that is right for you. I used to shoot with Sony and got so frustrated with the A7III that I sold it and bought an EOS R. For me it was a much better camera but everyone's needs are different. There is so much variety out there that every type of creator can find the perfect camera for them. :)
I think now the R5 is in the top 5 cameras dead or alive. Lol.
TOP 5 Cameras, changed the game:
R5 best hybrid, 7D dslr for video , 5Diii reliable photo camera, A7Si low light king, Komodo global shutter & DR for price.
What do y’all think?
I think the R5 is currently the best camera that Canon has ever made. When it comes to photo quality that 45mp sensor is amazing. The video features with firmware 1.6.0. makes the hybrid capability amazing. I would definitely say the R5 is in the top 5.
maybe Canon themselves didn't know when the new technology behind the firmware updates would be developed - but don't pull the wool over ppl's eyes in the meantime in any case! Release the already updated camera as & when in the future (not before overheating, IBIS wobble esp is fixed - esp for the pros). But the 5C does sound like poor ethics on their part.
Totally agree. There is some strange business strategy happening at Canon and it needs to stop before we lose trust in the brand.
Did you find that this fixed the focus hunting issues? I upgraded to 1.5 only very recently and my video focus is hunting all over the place. Was about to try and downgrade to 1.4 after googling and realising that other people had the same problem, but then just saw your video about the 1.6 update, so maybe I should update up!
I've never had focus hunting issues with the R5 to be honest. I mean maybe when I'm shooting with an 85 1.2 but that's normal for that lens with such a shallow dof. There are menu settings you can change to optimize the camera to track better i'll link the video for you: th-cam.com/video/hqpme7sdPRw/w-d-xo.html
Also
You can also change the speed at which RF lenses focus so you want it to focus on a subject faster and slower you can change these settings. th-cam.com/video/VvMjZn-clEw/w-d-xo.html
Hope that helps.
@@vaskoobscura_ thanks- I didn’t actually have any focus hunting issues at all until I updated to 1.5, but I’ve just updated to 1.6 so am going to find out today whether that’s sorted it 😅
How is 1.6.0 works ng for you? Has it fixed the issues?
@@vaskoobscura_ so far so good- didn’t notice any hunting issues this time!
R5C works just fine anyway.
Well yes and no. It's a fantastic camera but I'm judging the camera based on what the marketing for the camera was. What did Canon advertise when they released the camera and did the camera live up to the marketing hype? Companies need to be held accountable. They can't just lie about their product features to get sales than not deliver. That's just not right. But yes overall the R5 is fantastic. It's the best camera Canon has ever made in my opinion.
@@vaskoobscura_ not my point. I'm talking about R5C not R5.
@@DanielePauletto and this video is about r5. everyone knows r5c is different, including the price
@@zentai5076 for fuck's sake did you watch the video? He said the R5C is more a prototype.
@@DanielePauletto i mustve missed that tiny bit. now just take your angry argumentative crybaby ass away.
good day.
thank you for this..... will they ever fix the corrupt file issue when battery dies while recording?
I hope so that would be a pain to deal with. I use a dummy batterie in my camera whenever I film TH-cam content just for that reason.
@@vaskoobscura_ I film weddings and only use the rf5 for when I need auto focus, I have lost few good footages due to canon battery dying on me and then corrupts the footages. I stick to my black magic pocket cameras for the main ceremonies.
Is that slow card issue related with the card temperature?
I'm not sure to be honest but it world certainly appear to be so. The card is fast enough to Take 8k RAW but seems to slow down as it warmed up. I'll test it again with a much larger card and see what happens.
Preach brother👌🏾
Ya man we gotta stick together and let these companies know that we don't appreciate them messing with us.
Your rant is over the line IMHO. Be grateful they made a 1.60. The R5 is selling well. They did not have do a 1.6. I were evil they could have waited for R5 mk II in a couple of years. The R5 beat the competition in in the $3900 price range. Nothing similar yet after two years.
You have a good points there too and I am grateful Canon came out with the firmware thy could have held off until the R5 MkII. But at the same time I feel like Canon created advertising selling a camera that hasn't lived up to it's hype till now. I bought the R5 for the video feature which were unusable for two years.
@@vaskoobscura_ Not all video users need long duration recording without a Atomos Ninja V. Extra gear is a pain but it is doable for those that need it. I for one only shoot short clips of a couple minutes maximum. The Sony 4K cameras sold before the R5 overheated. Only recent Sony models include the standard/high temperature switch. I suspect Canon did a bund reliability tests that take lots time to perform to validate the additional wear the higher temperatures bring. As an engineer I deal l with the lifetime tradeoffs required for high temperature operation. The lifetime of the CF Express B cards is also an issue since they run darn hot and come close to causing pain or burns in people with sensitive skin. Not everyone burns at the same temperature. There are many factors here you may not be familiar with. I believe Canon got pressured by market reaction to R5 and Sony's use of a standard/high temperature setting solution. Product liability lawsuits are very expensive and they happen much more frequently when you operate closer to critical specification. Sony is more aggressive in these things than Canon. I am glad they put the standard high switch in. It gives more time but it is not a complete solution. The R5C has a fan and that is a engineering solution if you want unlimited thermal operation.
I agree. 95% of the video shooters I know never shoot more than 5-10min at a time. For me I've shot a lot of online courses where the teacher talks for a while. That's why I complain about it the record limit.
It’s a rip off … they give u a million dollars worth of spec’s but a dollar bill worth of quality. This is bullshit 8k 4k overheating camera ain’t been on but like 5-8 mins overheating we ain’t get the full 29.9 min worth r u kidding me. R5 a hot ass brick crippled…
Sony a7c unlimited recording
Sony a7siii unlimited recording
Sony a7iv unlimited recording
Sony A1 unlimited recording
Sony a7riv unlimited recording
Sony a6400 unlimited recording 😂 canon r u serious for dam near $5000
Sony Xbox-e10 unlimited recording
NO OVERHEATING …………………
I can't argue with you there the 30min record limit on the R5 is a real pain especially now since the overheating issues have been improved. But when it comes to photo quality and quality glass it's hard to find another camera that can compete with the R5. The detail and celerity of an R5 plus RF 85 f1.2 is hard to beat. Every system has it's positives and negatives.
4K 120 takes 2 mins and 51 seconds on a DJI Action 2, and 5 minutes on a Canon R5? BRUH
? Don't know what you're trying to say?
the 30 minute limit sucks, not sure if it’s a tax thing, at first I thought it was the Japanese government, then later saw it might be EU regulations. That means that Nikon and Sony will have the same limits.
There was a tax put on video cameras (anything that can shoot video longer then 30 minutes) but that tax was abolished several years ago. The only reason Canon cameras have a 30min limit now is because Canon wants them to have a 30min record limit. Other brands have removed those recording limits on their cameras already.
Can't see a reason why I'd ever want to record 29 minutes of slow mo. But it's cool I can now.
hahahaha. ya a 30min slowmo movie would get old fast. Would make an interesting videography challenge tho.
It's hard to know why Canon is just now giving users the option of letting the R5 get hotter in order to achieve longer run times. It could be the cripple hammer, though it is completely plausible that it is not. We _do_ know that heat and wider temperature fluctuations lead to accelerated aging of internal components, including the sensor. It is plausible that these higher temperature thresholds will lead to more stuck and dead pixels as well as premature component failures. Canon may have wanted real world data on failure rates at the original temperature limits before allowing them to be raised. It is also possible that they didn't want to be replacing internal parts under warranty. At this point, it is likely that the majority of R5 bodies that will be sold have already been sold. Most failures will happen out-of-warranty at this point.
On a different subject, it is worth noting that SanDisk's 128GB and 256GB CFx cards are class-trailing in terms of speed. This isn't true of their 512GB and above capacities. (This is pretty well documented online.)
Your point defiantly makes sense. Canon's 5D series cameras had a product cycle of 4 years with the R5 now being 2 years old we can assume it's half way though it's product cycle. Maybe by the time the components fail from overheating the R5 Mark II will be on the market and that will create more sales for Canon. Who knows. Clearly the R5 was capable of shooting at higher temperatures from the beginning.
Personally I feel like Canon brought out this new firmware because of the Nikon R8. The rumors are suggesting that it will be designed to be a direct competitor to the R5 in features. This might have forced Canon's hand and might even get them to remove the 30min record limit as well. But again this is also just speculation.
Thanks for the comment and the tip on t he memory cards. Looks like i'll have to invest in a better memory card if I want to record internally. I'm going to go do some reading on that. Thanks.
your right !
Thank you for the comment.
Thanks for showing this tests! It's true that Canon took it's time to finally solve the video time restriction. Who knows the true reasons for that? An engeneer problem or is it related with sales? Anyway, now it's solved and my question is why they didn't implement the same update to the R6 ...
Cheers!
Hey thanks for another comment. I think they didn't put it on the R6 because they want people to spend more money and buy an R5 or R5C if they want better video features. Canon is always trying to upsell people on more expensive cameras.
@@vaskoobscura_ Every camera company does this. In fact, every company that sells product does this. I suspect the R6 will get a similar firmware at some point but it will take time. I think they have been testing the hardware's ability to resist heat before implementing so that cameras aren't suddenly dying and they are faced with a bigger issue.
I can understand the annoyance with canon waiting 2 years, but let’s be honest: they have always been the company to play on the safe side since day 1. We all knew that going into their system.
Nobody complained about Sony cameras overheating, so I feel there is definitely marketing bias in that sense. I think we should be grateful Canon is now competing on a high level with other companies on the video specs.
There isn’t a single camera out there that can compete with the R5 now in terms of strong video capabilities, high MP photos, great autofocus, and decent low light. Panasonic series is close minus autofocus. Sony has A7IV but it’s cropped 4K, Sony has A7Siii but it’s 12 MP only. I’d say the R5 packs way above its price, especially now with the 1.6.
Hi thanks for the comment appreciate that you took the time to write all that. I agree with you that the R5 now punches above it price point. There is nothing on the market that has the same features. I really do believe it the best camera Canon has ever made. Glad they released firmware 1.6.0 and finally allowed us to use those advanced video modes. Just wish they did it sooner.
@@vaskoobscura_ agreed . If they resolved the overheat issue a year ago, I probably would have extended my life expectancy by avoiding all the stress of overheating the camera during wedding shoots.
That's true. I've been pushing my R5 pretty hard too. Hopefully this new firmware doesn't leave a bunch of R5's burt out just in time for the R5 MKII. lol. What a scandal that would be.
Great video! Kind of off topic, but what keyboard do you use? Had a nice mechanical sound to it.
Hey thanks for the comment. When I first saw a review of this keyboard and heard the sound I had to buy it. Something about the way it sounds is so nice. I've tried to switch to different keyboards over the years but I keep coming back to this one. It just feels and sounds nice. Here is a link to the keyboard. amzn.to/3TwD63l
Hi i have a R5 & R6 i got the R6 because of the heating issue with the R 5 but had a little faith that we can get a workaround using the ninja v plus but pleased that Canon issued the fix in firmware 1.6.0 now only one isse left to get rid of the record restriction
100% agree that 30min record limit has got to go. But also glad that we can record higher end videos without the camera over heating. Firmware 1.6.0 is a game changer. Thanks for the comment.
This is odd. I get 12:24 min/sec at 4k/120 on my 256GB Anglebird CFexpress card. Also in over a year, I've never received a write speed error. Is this a ScanDisk issue?
Now for my rant... Why we still have this 30 minute recording limit and yet the R7 and R10 don't ? 🤪🙃😤
About your R5 rant
I myself also have the R5
I got it 6 months into its cycle after some of the overheating fixes in firmware version 1.2
And I was able to use a it pretty much exactly as I wanted to because I knew about the restrictions
Except for on 2 occasions which were wedding engagements and a theatre performance both of which where saved by me having a Ninja V
Also at the time I still had my EOS R which I used for secondary camera
For the overheating I was using the battery removal and date change trick in order to extend the battery life up until 2 hours, which meant I had to improvise when I did that
About the R5C
2 months ago I had the opportunity to get the R5C, and was considering either getting that or a mavic 3 drone. The R5C was only a consideration specifically due to the video limits as there were some jobs I didn't even apply for due to the limits
And I figured that I can work with the video limits but having a new drone would be more beneficial than having 2 canon cameras, especially with one of which I had never used before(or at least the sysyem)
So I got lucky now that this update has happened and given instagram's persistence on creating more reach for video than for photos, now finally I too can say that I own one of the best hybrid cameras on the market
But Canon did kinda do themselves dirty
But it's because they still believe that their customers should buy 1 camera for video, 1 for photos
Hey Kenny thanks for the comment and sharing your story. Yes now you do have one of the best hybrid cameras on the market. I can just imagine if you invested all that money into an R5C only to find out that the overheating issues on the R5 would be gone with a firmware update. That would have been so frustrating. Guess you made the right choice going for that drone. I just picked up a Ninja V last month and am learning how to use it. It really turns the R5 into a pro video camera.
I think the future is hybrid cameras. One camera for photo and one for video is such an old way of thinking especially since both video and photo technologies overlap so much.