The price for the Marinemaster is absolutely right. The Marinemaster has always been relatively expensive and the movement, the workmanship and many details in the finish determine the price. You can only give a final rating once you have held the watch in your hands
Really? Not so long ago, a MM300 could be had for a little more than USD 2,000, with a much better case construction and a GS based movement (minus GS finishing regulation). And now they pretend to sell those for $3,000 with this absolutely mundane movement?
I have the SJE073 with 6L35 and Grand Seiko finishing. These Marine Masters are definitely worth the money. My 6L35 has remained about 4 seconds fast and is gorgeously finished. These are going to be finished much nicer than the SPB Prospex with a better movement. If the 6L37 is like the 35 then this is a perfectly good price point. Put some respect on Seiko! These marine masters are a glimpse into GS ownership world and offer a new original style. This case shape never has a signed crown btw and I have never spent time looking at the crown…signed or not does not add or detract value for me.
The 6L35 is neither finished nor regulated anywhere near the standards of a Grand Seiko. Glad your came at 4 secs deviation / day, but it could easily have been 10+. It is absolutely obscene that Seiko would sell those watches at $3,000, when this was the price for bona fide Grand Seiko models not so long ago.
Just looked at the new Marinemaster in person today. The textured dial is what really sells it. Fantastic looking and feels as premium as the pricetag is. Still, expensive for a "regular" Seiko.
This is a good series, please continue. The Seiko is expensive, but many brands are hiking up prices. Whether the RRPs will sustain is another matter. Everywhere I look from Ali Express to high end Swiss I'm seeing discounts being offered. Rolex ADs are not standing in shop doorways touting for custom but even there many more watches are becoming available. Buyers need to be aware of the much changed market.
4:30 You read my mind. Exactly this. I don't understand why Seiko absolutely refuses to use signed crowns now. It used to be a staple of theirs. Especially in this price category. Remember the days of the Seiko SARB033/035? Sub $300 Automatics with sapphire crystals and beautiful signed crowns? Those crowns were awesome too. Just a very tasteful "S" on them. It's details that matter most to collectors. It's like they got lazy and cheap and decided to maximize their operational manufacturing efficiency by just going with generic unsigned crowns so that they can use a "one size fits all" manufacturing line to assemble the stems and crowns onto most of their lines of watches. Lazy!
I dont like signed crowns and I dont understand why a signed crown is a must for a expensive watch. I also dont think a watch looks more expensive with a signed crown. A man with a golden tooth looks also not rich 🤷
Hello , regarding the SEIKO , of course new caliber is a good point, this is the heart of the watch and it’s a very good modern caliber, and you don’t have this watch on hands, mean you can’t really appreciate or estimate the quality of the steel, the new bracelet, the dial in reality etc etc etc… May be it could sound expensive 😅 but may be at final not so much !! Let’s talk again about it later after have one on the wrist. I’ll make un jump on a boutique to check it Anyway good video and thank you for your passion ! Kind regards
Seiko is getting better and better at many aspects of watch making, but this prices are ridicules. Those new MM are more expensive than some models of Longines, Tudor even and many other well established and with more heritage Swiss companies.
Seiko is not joking. It's making serious watches. I love the new Marine Masters, and can tell you they are priced just right. The old ones were a caricature, much too tall, much too large. The new sizes are awesome, they will be exquisitely finished (which anyone who ever handled a live SLA / SJE diver can attest to), and have a very nice movement. So it's funny that you love the LLD so much, because the price of those has also doubled versus what it was a few years ago, while you're slagging off Seiko's pricing for the new MM200. I will take the Seiko over the LLD any day of the week, in the same price range. You speak like someone who has never handled an SLA/SJE, because having owned the SPB153 and then handling the SLA version in a Grand Seiko meetup with some forum members..... The difference in quality is readily apparent as soon as you physically pick one up.
The 6L35 / 6L37 movement have absolutely nothing going for them, except for their relative thinness compared to their predecessors. Give me the modified ETA of the LLD over them any day of the week.
I am a collector of Marine Masters. The monoblock case ones. The new seikos are very strange to me. Why change an icon so drastically? Massive mistake. I won’t be buying.
I'm not super knowledgeable about marine masters but you being a collector and being so put off makes me really consider buying one. It's typically the watches that collectors hate at first that becomes super sought after years later. Thanks for the input!
I've been looking at the Longines Legend diver for a few years but never pulled the trigger. The only thing that I wasn't sure about was the date at 3, I was fine with the long lugs. I did take a look at the smaller version but the dial looked a tad too small. The new 39 s definitely worth a look. The Oris 65 bronze is a great watch but the original cotton candy dials didn't work for me. Don't get me wrong, they look fantastic but I could not see myself wearing them. Now with the new release I confess I need to see this watch. I don't have a bronze watch yet but my sister does have a 65 cotton candy with the bracelet and it looks great, she keeps it 'clean' but if I had one I would let it patina. Many thanks for sharing.
This Christmas I will treat myself with the Christopher Ward Celest (consort bracelet) and the Tudor Royal 38mm Silver as my new daily drivers... can't wait to see that little aventurine stunner !
I think it looks much different from other Seiko's. Looks like Seiko is finally upgrading the bracelet. I really like the small date window at 4:30 as the dial retains its symmetry. The detail on the dial and the horizontal texture look great. The bezel is also like no other Seiko, hope it has a great smooth and precise feel when rotating.. The new 6L37 movement and the under 40mm diameter with 12.3 thickness is awesome. On top of that the actual print of "MARINEMASTER" on the dial. All reasons to like this new model (SJE101). Looking forward to checking out when they arrive. I was actually expecting the price to be more like the SJE093, the recent 62mas re-issue at $3500. This is definitely on my radar.
The new seiko marine master is a joke..downgrade from 8l series movement only to make it slimmer while loosing power reserve from 55 to 45? No Seiko ever bright steel, NO ceramic insert instead just steel insert? Even the so called improved bracelet, still no on the fly adjustment and with only pathetic limited micro adjust? They are just trying to milk Seiko fans who are still crazy over 62mas. They even slam their marine master tag on it. I will pass.....would rather spend my money on the pre own Grand Seiko.
Ive owned a couple more expensive Seiko divers, so the price of these doesn't bother me. I am not a fan of these drastic changes to the MM line however. I fully expected Seiko to release divers with the new slim movement, but rebranding a line of real deal saturation divers into this makes no sense and is a major misstep imo.
I'm guessing Seiko is planning on releasing a new line of Marinemaster watches. These will be the equivalent of the MM200 watches. Later on, they will probably release slightly thicker watches that are 300mm water resistant.
Nice group of watches this week. Thanks. Kind of like the chris ward aventurine dial watch. Not sure about the size 36 mm though? Priced well on the bracelet though. There can be only one Marine Master. I have a sla039, and a sla059. The monoblock 300 watches are special, and unique. Seiko, again is following bad advice in marketing. Think they are handome watches, a bit over priced, but called them something else. They may be using the 6L movement because of the thinness , and maybe reduced cost compared to a 8L . Regardless, not going to buy one.
I think they are making the right choice when it comes to making their watch cases thinner and more modern. They are seeing the trends in the watch market. And people want thinner watches with smaller diameter cases. Of course, since Seiko fans have become accustomed to Seiko divers having big chunky cases, or strange cases- such as the Turtle- there will be come pushback. But I think people will eventually get used to the new design. The only way that Seiko will ever be able to compete with brands like Rolex and Omega, is Seiko begins to modernize their watches with slimmer profiles and better bracelets. They are already starting that with the Grand Seiko brand. They introduced the Evolution 9 watches, which are doing this.
I have an old MM300. It is not far behind a GS in finishing, is better finished than my Panerai and apart from the bracelet and clasp is pretty much on a par with my Omega Seamaster, which I love. The new MM looks pretty good so at $2800USD it may be reasonable value.
I used to own a JDM SBDC101 $1,200 but ended up selling it as I couldn’t get past a stamped divers extension and misaligned bezel. These new offerings still option a stamped divers extension and there are much better value propositions out there at this price point.
Great series. If the Seiko Marinmaster was $1,800 👍 For $2,800 👎 The Christopher Ward Trident 300 is a dressy diver with similar specs but is less than half the price and you get a bracelet with an on-the-fly adjustment.
The marinemaster and the 62MAS were my first love when it comes to my grail watches. Although this new MM is more like 90% 62MAS from the case shape and dial with 10% from the MM angles and the name -- this is a step in the right direction for Seiko IMO. I'm glad I held out getting the SJE093. I wish it was an 8L movement tho. Not that I don't like the movement in this one. And I'm not sure what to feel abou the bezel edge as I think it's trying to be a rolex sub. I hope it's less prominent in person.
I agree with you. At first I didn't like this new model. But it's starting to grow on me. I own the SJE093, and I still prefer it over this Marinemaster. But if I didn't already own the SJE093, I would probably consider getting this new MM. I prefer watches with thinner cases. They are more comfortable to wear
I get it, and I like them. The finishes, the general quality of the case and bracelet, the movement, is on par with everything is this price range (like the Longines) Plus these Seikos will get cheaper than MSRP
Except that the Longines is COSC certified, which guarantees a deviation within -4 / +6 secs a day, whereas Seiko won't guarantee their movement for les tha -10 / + 15 secs / day, so 2.5 times looser. I just don't understand how Seiko think they'll get a free pass on this, seeing what the competition proposes at a similar price point.
@@d3xmeister Comparing Patek and Rolex is like comparing apples and oranges. The first is a highly artisanal product where one pays mostly for the finishing vs. an industrial product where one pays for functionality. Whereas the comparison between Longines and Seiko is a relevant comparison between similar products. As for the price, the Seiko is only marginally less expensive than the Longines ($2,800 vs. $3,200) for a significant step down in specs (regulation, power reserve).
If you knew anything about Seiko you would know they only put signed crowns on their presage line, keeps the prospex more in line with a robust diver style watch compared to a dressier watch.
I prefer the SPB143. I bought one with 1st gen. dial in mint condition 6 months old for £715. The only thing that worried me was the accuracy of the movement, but glad to say mine is averaging +4 seconds a day.
One thing that does offend me slightly is that Seiko are willing to charge up to 6000 for a watch in some cases without guaranteeing an accuracy tighter than +/- 15 seconds. I just feel when you are paying that much for a watch you expect a really top spec, and We know they have the capability in spades. Perhaps they feel something needs to be left on the table to distinguish from GS 🤷♂️
Hello! I would like to ask you a question ! Don't you think you make your videos too quickly? By this I mean that I often have the impression that these reactions are too immediate, and that the little time for reflection, curiosity, and also physical study of the watch on the wrist is missing! This is a “constructive” criticism that I would like to make to you, because I am often surprised by very negative feelings, and then after a few days, having put the watch on my wrist, I sometimes realize that my first impression was excessive and that this or that piece is in fact very successful. Thank you for your videos, it's interesting but we still need the watch in real support, right?
Seiko is no longer the bargain 'starter watch' they once were ... prices on most of their models and all of their reissues are getting up there (low end swiss price level). Now from a positioning/sales/marketing standpoint I get it ... more than Chinese spec special, more than most micro-brands bordering low end Swiss to account for their heritage and unique styling. Now from customers standpoint it just means I will be looking elsewhere; better spec'd Chinese specials with the same look, micro-brands (Zelos, Helm, Phoibos, RZE, Baltic, Islander, Stratton etc. are cheaper) Christopher Ward are at about the same price, and also looking at lower end Swiss, German, European etc. watches (Longines, Sinn, Damasko, Marathon) that will be competing at this price point. Now if you are a Seiko collector - yeah you will pay this happily but that is an exception. Does it mean I won't buy any more Seikos? No. Does it mean I will buy fewer Seikos? Yes.
People who are experienced watch collectors still will prefer a Seiko over a cheap watch made by a microbrand. Some microbrand watches are nice. But you can still see the difference in case finishing.
@@nerychristian Nah, seiko finishing is pretty mediocre at best awful at worst. Finishing was never the highlight of seiko watches. And now thay they are priced like this who cares. İf ı want a seiko design with exceptional quality ı would go for a grand seiko. Grand seikos are phnemonal watches regular seikos not so much. At least for me.
I am building my collection on three things. 1) Timeless look and designs. 2) At least one piece from each manufacturer. 3) Mechanical (Wind or Automatic) Currently looking to add an "hmt" to the collection, looking for a nice Seiko5 automatic. In Windsor, ON, Canada 🇨🇦
Can anyone explain to me, please, why does it only have 45hr power reserve? ...when several times cheaper Powermatic 80 can do 80hr? Isn't 45hr rather outdated in general...?
That's an interesting looking bracelet, reminiscent of cross section of Omega Peter Blake. I like what I see I have to admit, despite the gaps, and the price. I would think that at secondary market prices, I think I could see myself getting one.
Nice recap. I like the blue MM but not the price. Longines Legend Diver 39 is cool (especially in blue) but I feel the dial might look small on my wrist because the internal bezel. CWard aventurine looks incredible but too small. Same with the Oris Cotton Candy.
I think you're right about the CW, however I'll buy it as a daily driver since I work in formal environments...the quality of the finishing + 150m wr with screw-down crown + small dimensions make it a perfect daily to use with a suit
During the last years everybody said that Seiko watches often look much more expensive because of the dials. Now Seiko makes watches with exceptional dials more expensiv, but forgets about better specs.
I don’t trust Seiko to get alignment right, and I’m absolutely not going to subsidize a new movement for the sake of new movement. As for Longines, ‘no date, no deal. ‘ I don’t give a damn about what collectors want. If I buy it, it’s going to have a date.
Great vlog thanks! That Seiko though..looks nice but the price? OMG who in their right mind would spend that much knowing the moment they walk out the store it's worth $1200 Most Seikos including the famouse Snowflake GS's are so, so difficult to sell here in the UK I've seen some pre owned ones for sale literally years before the sell!
If they wanted to reuse the marinemaster text it should have gone back to their 300m diver which originally had it, and deserved it. Not this. Otherwise, nice new case to appreciate and made for smaller wrists
I'm guessing they will have 2 tiers in their Marinemaster line. This could be the entry level equivalent of the MM200. Later they will release an updated MM300 watch.
I'll never buy a 6r again. So the 6l seems like the only option for a decent Seiko automatic. Pretty sad really. Right now, I'd only consider Swiss mechanicals or Miyota 9xxx series. Seiko needs to figure out what they're about. Whoever is running the show needs to be canned.
If you are going to complain about the "unjustified" price tag without mentioning the swiss which are absolutely way worse at unjustified pricetags then you are biased. I wished you learn more about production costs.
I am curious why you think a Kinessi movement is “not that great “. Perhaps you could compare this movement to comparable eta, rolex and seiko movements. I think they make a pretty solid movement which is COSC certified.
Why does this channel get to criticize watches without in the metal review? This watch review channel has that kind if format where he's just looking at photos and reading specs over the internet. We want some macros and in hand reviews not some talking head. This guy is hardly reviewing any actual of significance in his channel
Seiko has been releasing models with this "outrageous" prices according to your type of mentality. Seiko, the giant. The second most lucrative watch manufacturer in the world yet you think you know the market better is quite strange. Yes they sell quite well, people want them and the fact that they keep releasing more outrageous watches is evidence that they know what they are doing. Look at the brands that are rather stagnant. Those are not doing as well in this economic global crisis.
4:56 really just forced me to draw a line for any seiko purchases in the future. I vote with my wallet to never let seiko get away with charging Tudor black bay money for this
I really like the design of the new marine master and the size is fantastic for a daily wear. But to be worth the money it needs a couple of tweaks. Remove the x from the dial Have over 60hrs of power reserve and have better tolerances, if you can't be bothered standing behind your product why should I spend my money on it. Plus or minus 15 seconds is a joke. Talking about jokes, I’m ignoring any watch with a bracelet that hasn’t got on the fly adjustment but Seiko takes the mickey. That longines also looks too expensive and I would much prefer a date function than the number 13 at 3'oclock.
Seiko figures its sales volumes will continue to fall permanently, so in order to keep profits up it keeps hiking SRPs and churning out ‘limited editions’ to create FOMO. Even if some Seiko fanbois baulk at the designs and price increases, Seiko thinks enough will continue to buy - especially the limited editions - to keep the cash rolling in. Why bother making and selling 18 $150 watches when you can make and sell one Marinemaster for $2,800?
Seiko should just stop producing watches that cost less than $500. They should leave that market segment to Orient. Seiko should focus on producing and improving their more iconic watches- pretty much all their divers. And also adding more dress watches to their King Seiko line.
I’m so done with Seiko. Their movements suck. I just got a watch with a brand new NH34 and it’s going between-10 to +26 seconds per day. Totally unacceptable! I’d be totally fine if it ran +26 spd but was somewhat consistent, but this speed up slow down crap, when worn for the same amount of time daily, is just crap. It’s not the only one I’ve seen like this either. I bought a SPB-143 new and it was running inconsistently as well, sometimes-3 spd, sometimes up to +40spd. And this is one of their higher end movements. Unbelievable!!
@@RabbitWatchShop Value for specs is a tricky topic to navigate as arguably you will get same specs as an entry level luxury watch from Aliexpress for 200 dollars. I know nothing about this new MM200 nor its movement, but its 1500 cheaper than my MM300. Just pointing that out. And there is always an expectation that Seiko should be cheap. They are no longer a cheap brand, especially their Prospex line.
I think Seiko is asking for too much money for this model..... at he 5:00 minute mark in this video you see that cheap looking folding diver extension and the rather basic looking stamped clasp. Even some of the Ali Express brands offer milled clasps on watches costing less than 400USD. Then the movement characteristics also seem lackluster when being priced at this level, which you can find some COSC certified models at this point. Not saying this isn't a nice watch....just a bit too pricey for what it is.
I really don’t know how you can actually do an accurate review without actually having the watch there
This series is becoming my Sunday morning coffee ritual. Thanks for the updates.
That's awesome! Thanks for the support:)
Many customers will not be concerned about the branding but the look, comfort and performance. The smaller dimensions make this watch more versatile.
The price for the Marinemaster is absolutely right. The Marinemaster has always been relatively expensive and the movement, the workmanship and many details in the finish determine the price. You can only give a final rating once you have held the watch in your hands
The things is, this new model doesn't really resemble Marinemasters of the past. So we will see how well they sell.
@@nerychristianalso doesn't the current 300m version have an 8L movement?
@@marcusstoner1641 Maybe this will replace the 200mm
Really? Not so long ago, a MM300 could be had for a little more than USD 2,000, with a much better case construction and a GS based movement (minus GS finishing regulation). And now they pretend to sell those for $3,000 with this absolutely mundane movement?
The Seiko Kool-Aid must be good 😋
This new version of the Seiko Marinemaster is the watch I want. I really like the new design.
I have the SJE073 with 6L35 and Grand Seiko finishing. These Marine Masters are definitely worth the money. My 6L35 has remained about 4 seconds fast and is gorgeously finished. These are going to be finished much nicer than the SPB Prospex with a better movement. If the 6L37 is like the 35 then this is a perfectly good price point. Put some respect on Seiko! These marine masters are a glimpse into GS ownership world and offer a new original style. This case shape never has a signed crown btw and I have never spent time looking at the crown…signed or not does not add or detract value for me.
The 6L35 is neither finished nor regulated anywhere near the standards of a Grand Seiko. Glad your came at 4 secs deviation / day, but it could easily have been 10+. It is absolutely obscene that Seiko would sell those watches at $3,000, when this was the price for bona fide Grand Seiko models not so long ago.
@@johnnyguitar6697 i own 7 GS and just bought the blue marinemaster...finish is pretty nice and i paid 2600€
Just looked at the new Marinemaster in person today. The textured dial is what really sells it. Fantastic looking and feels as premium as the pricetag is. Still, expensive for a "regular" Seiko.
its higher quality then many swiss watches that cost way more so i dont see the point
This is a good series, please continue. The Seiko is expensive, but many brands are hiking up prices. Whether the RRPs will sustain is another matter. Everywhere I look from Ali Express to high end Swiss I'm seeing discounts being offered. Rolex ADs are not standing in shop doorways touting for custom but even there many more watches are becoming available. Buyers need to be aware of the much changed market.
Thank you!
Yeah, I think eventually prices will drop. I am seeing lots of sales from websites that sell watches.
4:30 You read my mind. Exactly this. I don't understand why Seiko absolutely refuses to use signed crowns now. It used to be a staple of theirs. Especially in this price category. Remember the days of the Seiko SARB033/035? Sub $300 Automatics with sapphire crystals and beautiful signed crowns? Those crowns were awesome too. Just a very tasteful "S" on them. It's details that matter most to collectors. It's like they got lazy and cheap and decided to maximize their operational manufacturing efficiency by just going with generic unsigned crowns so that they can use a "one size fits all" manufacturing line to assemble the stems and crowns onto most of their lines of watches. Lazy!
Well said.
Inflation happens to cheap s*** also.
I dont like signed crowns and I dont understand why a signed crown is a must for a expensive watch.
I also dont think a watch looks more expensive with a signed crown.
A man with a golden tooth looks also not rich 🤷
I think the MM looks great...the blue and the silver particularly...just me?....😊 ok then haha that price though....ooof! Great video as usuaul
Hello , regarding the SEIKO , of course new caliber is a good point, this is the heart of the watch and it’s a very good modern caliber, and you don’t have this watch on hands, mean you can’t really appreciate or estimate the quality of the steel, the new bracelet, the dial in reality etc etc etc…
May be it could sound expensive 😅 but may be at final not so much !!
Let’s talk again about it later after have one on the wrist.
I’ll make un jump on a boutique to check it
Anyway good video and thank you for your passion !
Kind regards
After 1001 62Mas reissues, Seiko puts "marinemaster" on this watch? Hard pass. Its not a MM.
Seiko is getting better and better at many aspects of watch making, but this prices are ridicules. Those new MM are more expensive than some models of Longines, Tudor even and many other well established and with more heritage Swiss companies.
Might as well buy a Tudor at that price
@@michaelfritzell9352yeah but there aren’t any tudor date divers with these proportions
such heritage lmao... you mean german watchmakers fleeing to switzerland?
Seiko is not joking. It's making serious watches. I love the new Marine Masters, and can tell you they are priced just right. The old ones were a caricature, much too tall, much too large. The new sizes are awesome, they will be exquisitely finished (which anyone who ever handled a live SLA / SJE diver can attest to), and have a very nice movement.
So it's funny that you love the LLD so much, because the price of those has also doubled versus what it was a few years ago, while you're slagging off Seiko's pricing for the new MM200. I will take the Seiko over the LLD any day of the week, in the same price range.
You speak like someone who has never handled an SLA/SJE, because having owned the SPB153 and then handling the SLA version in a Grand Seiko meetup with some forum members..... The difference in quality is readily apparent as soon as you physically pick one up.
The 6L35 / 6L37 movement have absolutely nothing going for them, except for their relative thinness compared to their predecessors. Give me the modified ETA of the LLD over them any day of the week.
I am a collector of Marine Masters. The monoblock case ones. The new seikos are very strange to me. Why change an icon so drastically? Massive mistake. I won’t be buying.
They are MM 200 watches. The real one is the MM300, which i also love so much. So Seiko did not really change the one and only MM.
@@fatboy7385 MM200 for MM300 money.
Seems like Seiko doesn't care. Gettin' worse day by day.
@@fatboy73854:30 😂😂 Pathetic
I'm not super knowledgeable about marine masters but you being a collector and being so put off makes me really consider buying one. It's typically the watches that collectors hate at first that becomes super sought after years later. Thanks for the input!
I've been looking at the Longines Legend diver for a few years but never pulled the trigger. The only thing that I wasn't sure about was the date at 3, I was fine with the long lugs. I did take a look at the smaller version but the dial looked a tad too small. The new 39 s definitely worth a look. The Oris 65 bronze is a great watch but the original cotton candy dials didn't work for me. Don't get me wrong, they look fantastic but I could not see myself wearing them. Now with the new release I confess I need to see this watch. I don't have a bronze watch yet but my sister does have a 65 cotton candy with the bracelet and it looks great, she keeps it 'clean' but if I had one I would let it patina. Many thanks for sharing.
If I fall in love with the Seiko Marinemaster after actually holding it? Then I’ll just wait a year for it to sell for half
This Christmas I will treat myself with the Christopher Ward Celest (consort bracelet) and the Tudor Royal 38mm Silver as my new daily drivers... can't wait to see that little aventurine stunner !
Thanks Oleg! Best wishes to you from Minnesota.
I think it looks much different from other Seiko's. Looks like Seiko is finally upgrading the bracelet. I really like the small date window at 4:30 as the dial retains its symmetry. The detail on the dial and the horizontal texture look great. The bezel is also like no other Seiko, hope it has a great smooth and precise feel when rotating.. The new 6L37 movement and the under 40mm diameter with 12.3 thickness is awesome. On top of that the actual print of "MARINEMASTER" on the dial. All reasons to like this new model (SJE101). Looking forward to checking out when they arrive. I was actually expecting the price to be more like the SJE093, the recent 62mas re-issue at $3500. This is definitely on my radar.
This clasp 🤢🤮
The new seiko marine master is a joke..downgrade from 8l series movement only to make it slimmer while loosing power reserve from 55 to 45? No Seiko ever bright steel, NO ceramic insert instead just steel insert? Even the so called improved bracelet, still no on the fly adjustment and with only pathetic limited micro adjust? They are just trying to milk Seiko fans who are still crazy over 62mas. They even slam their marine master tag on it. I will pass.....would rather spend my money on the pre own Grand Seiko.
What other watches have a second hand that has the box shaped? I like the look but don't see it often. Thank you
Ive owned a couple more expensive Seiko divers, so the price of these doesn't bother me. I am not a fan of these drastic changes to the MM line however. I fully expected Seiko to release divers with the new slim movement, but rebranding a line of real deal saturation divers into this makes no sense and is a major misstep imo.
I'm guessing Seiko is planning on releasing a new line of Marinemaster watches. These will be the equivalent of the MM200 watches. Later on, they will probably release slightly thicker watches that are 300mm water resistant.
I think they are trying to make a more affordable version of the Evolution 9 GMT
Nice group of watches this week. Thanks. Kind of like the chris ward aventurine dial watch. Not sure about the size 36 mm though? Priced well on the bracelet though.
There can be only one Marine Master. I have a sla039, and a sla059. The monoblock 300 watches are special, and unique. Seiko, again is following bad advice in marketing. Think they are handome watches, a bit over priced, but called them something else. They may be using the 6L movement because of the thinness , and maybe reduced cost compared to a 8L . Regardless, not going to buy one.
I think they are making the right choice when it comes to making their watch cases thinner and more modern. They are seeing the trends in the watch market. And people want thinner watches with smaller diameter cases. Of course, since Seiko fans have become accustomed to Seiko divers having big chunky cases, or strange cases- such as the Turtle- there will be come pushback. But I think people will eventually get used to the new design. The only way that Seiko will ever be able to compete with brands like Rolex and Omega, is Seiko begins to modernize their watches with slimmer profiles and better bracelets. They are already starting that with the Grand Seiko brand. They introduced the Evolution 9 watches, which are doing this.
That 12k Bell n Ross makes the 12k IWC with the Baumatic movement seems like a bargain.
Great weekly report as always!
LOL
Thank you:)
I have an old MM300. It is not far behind a GS in finishing, is better finished than my Panerai and apart from the bracelet and clasp is pretty much on a par with my Omega Seamaster, which I love. The new MM looks pretty good so at $2800USD it may be reasonable value.
❤ love your reviews ❤ Seiko is definitely over priced in my opinion they are at used Tudor BB prices. Nice to see Bond in the background 😊
I bought the limited edition Mmarinemaster. Well worth the money The watch wears great and is of very high quality.
I used to own a JDM SBDC101 $1,200 but ended up selling it as I couldn’t get past a stamped divers extension and misaligned bezel. These new offerings still option a stamped divers extension and there are much better value propositions out there at this price point.
New Seiko Marinemaster >>> >>>> New Longines Legend Diver & Oris !!!
Great series. If the Seiko Marinmaster was $1,800 👍 For $2,800 👎
The Christopher Ward Trident 300 is a dressy diver with similar specs but is less than half the price and you get a bracelet with an on-the-fly adjustment.
I'm currently considering the marine master for a discounted 2nd hand offering. Looks pretty good to be honest.
The marinemaster and the 62MAS were my first love when it comes to my grail watches. Although this new MM is more like 90% 62MAS from the case shape and dial with 10% from the MM angles and the name -- this is a step in the right direction for Seiko IMO. I'm glad I held out getting the SJE093. I wish it was an 8L movement tho. Not that I don't like the movement in this one. And I'm not sure what to feel abou the bezel edge as I think it's trying to be a rolex sub. I hope it's less prominent in person.
I agree with you. At first I didn't like this new model. But it's starting to grow on me. I own the SJE093, and I still prefer it over this Marinemaster. But if I didn't already own the SJE093, I would probably consider getting this new MM. I prefer watches with thinner cases. They are more comfortable to wear
@@nerychristian Good choice on the classic SJE093. But I'm just glad that this new 62MAS is not limited.
I get it, and I like them. The finishes, the general quality of the case and bracelet, the movement, is on par with everything is this price range (like the Longines) Plus these Seikos will get cheaper than MSRP
So don't buy new wait for discounts or 'like new' used?
@@karlsenula9495 Just wait a bit. They’ll be available cheaper
Except that the Longines is COSC certified, which guarantees a deviation within -4 / +6 secs a day, whereas Seiko won't guarantee their movement for les tha -10 / + 15 secs / day, so 2.5 times looser. I just don't understand how Seiko think they'll get a free pass on this, seeing what the competition proposes at a similar price point.
@@johnnyguitar6697 So what ? Patek has worse accuracy quotes than Rolex. It doesn’t really mean anything. The Longines are also more expensive, soooo.
@@d3xmeister Comparing Patek and Rolex is like comparing apples and oranges. The first is a highly artisanal product where one pays mostly for the finishing vs. an industrial product where one pays for functionality. Whereas the comparison between Longines and Seiko is a relevant comparison between similar products. As for the price, the Seiko is only marginally less expensive than the Longines ($2,800 vs. $3,200) for a significant step down in specs (regulation, power reserve).
If you knew anything about Seiko you would know they only put signed crowns on their presage line, keeps the prospex more in line with a robust diver style watch compared to a dressier watch.
I prefer the SPB143. I bought one with 1st gen. dial in mint condition 6 months old for £715. The only thing that worried me was the accuracy of the movement, but glad to say mine is averaging +4 seconds a day.
What was Seiko smoking when they paired that bracelet? It looks like it was just parts-binned from some random watch.
One thing that does offend me slightly is that Seiko are willing to charge up to 6000 for a watch in some cases without guaranteeing an accuracy tighter than +/- 15 seconds. I just feel when you are paying that much for a watch you expect a really top spec, and We know they have the capability in spades. Perhaps they feel something needs to be left on the table to distinguish from GS 🤷♂️
Hello! I would like to ask you a question ! Don't you think you make your videos too quickly? By this I mean that I often have the impression that these reactions are too immediate, and that the little time for reflection, curiosity, and also physical study of the watch on the wrist is missing! This is a “constructive” criticism that I would like to make to you, because I am often surprised by very negative feelings, and then after a few days, having put the watch on my wrist, I sometimes realize that my first impression was excessive and that this or that piece is in fact very successful. Thank you for your videos, it's interesting but we still need the watch in real support, right?
What’s the alternative recommendation with similar price point for those new Seiko Marine master ?
Seiko is no longer the bargain 'starter watch' they once were ... prices on most of their models and all of their reissues are getting up there (low end swiss price level).
Now from a positioning/sales/marketing standpoint I get it ... more than Chinese spec special, more than most micro-brands bordering low end Swiss to account for their heritage and unique styling.
Now from customers standpoint it just means I will be looking elsewhere; better spec'd Chinese specials with the same look, micro-brands (Zelos, Helm, Phoibos, RZE, Baltic, Islander, Stratton etc. are cheaper) Christopher Ward are at about the same price, and also looking at lower end Swiss, German, European etc. watches (Longines, Sinn, Damasko, Marathon) that will be competing at this price point.
Now if you are a Seiko collector - yeah you will pay this happily but that is an exception.
Does it mean I won't buy any more Seikos? No. Does it mean I will buy fewer Seikos? Yes.
Plus the quality is crap when compared to the brands you have mentioned. Seiko makes sense when its cheap.
People who are experienced watch collectors still will prefer a Seiko over a cheap watch made by a microbrand. Some microbrand watches are nice. But you can still see the difference in case finishing.
@@nerychristian Nah, seiko finishing is pretty mediocre at best awful at worst. Finishing was never the highlight of seiko watches. And now thay they are priced like this who cares. İf ı want a seiko design with exceptional quality ı would go for a grand seiko. Grand seikos are phnemonal watches regular seikos not so much. At least for me.
The price on that Seiko is nuts.
I am building my collection on three things.
1) Timeless look and designs.
2) At least one piece from each manufacturer.
3) Mechanical (Wind or Automatic)
Currently looking to add an "hmt" to the collection, looking for a nice Seiko5 automatic.
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This is what happens when influencers hype brands. People start purchasing them more than usual, then as demand rises, so does price.
Yet, we still continue to watch their videos and follow their IG accounts.
Many thanks
Concerning Seiko I prefer to wait for reissue of the Poge .
Thanks again for great episode
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Can anyone explain to me, please, why does it only have 45hr power reserve? ...when several times cheaper Powermatic 80 can do 80hr?
Isn't 45hr rather outdated in general...?
That's an interesting looking bracelet, reminiscent of cross section of Omega Peter Blake. I like what I see I have to admit, despite the gaps, and the price. I would think that at secondary market prices, I think I could see myself getting one.
Good, but the movement isn't quite good enough! Seiko's 6L37 falls short... I'll wear my SPB239 until Seiko does more.
Nice recap. I like the blue MM but not the price. Longines Legend Diver 39 is cool (especially in blue) but I feel the dial might look small on my wrist because the internal bezel. CWard aventurine looks incredible but too small. Same with the Oris Cotton Candy.
I think you're right about the CW, however I'll buy it as a daily driver since I work in formal environments...the quality of the finishing + 150m wr with screw-down crown + small dimensions make it a perfect daily to use with a suit
During the last years everybody said that Seiko watches often look much more expensive because of the dials. Now Seiko makes watches with exceptional dials more expensiv, but forgets about better specs.
Seiko, are u guys ok?
Vhristopher Ward is killing it lately. The best value-brand around these dats? I think so
I don’t trust Seiko to get alignment right, and I’m absolutely not going to subsidize a new movement for the sake of new movement.
As for Longines, ‘no date, no deal. ‘ I don’t give a damn about what collectors want. If I buy it, it’s going to have a date.
What material is the bezel made of?
Great vlog thanks! That Seiko though..looks nice but the price? OMG who in their right mind would spend that much knowing the moment they walk out the store it's worth $1200 Most Seikos including the famouse Snowflake GS's are so, so difficult to sell here in the UK I've seen some pre owned ones for sale literally years before the sell!
Uhhh… maybe some folks who believes they are built, wear, and look great, and also buy watches to keep & wear, not to sell?
Just a guess.
Guys is the seiko bezel ceramic or metal?
If they wanted to reuse the marinemaster text it should have gone back to their 300m diver which originally had it, and deserved it. Not this.
Otherwise, nice new case to appreciate and made for smaller wrists
I'm guessing they will have 2 tiers in their Marinemaster line. This could be the entry level equivalent of the MM200. Later they will release an updated MM300 watch.
@@nerychristian Sounds logical. We'll see ☺️
I think Seiko wants to be a new Hublot😂😂😂
I'll never buy a 6r again. So the 6l seems like the only option for a decent Seiko automatic. Pretty sad really. Right now, I'd only consider Swiss mechanicals or Miyota 9xxx series. Seiko needs to figure out what they're about. Whoever is running the show needs to be canned.
Love the look of the new Bell&Ross but why a lumed case??? And at 12K…
If you are going to complain about the "unjustified" price tag without mentioning the swiss which are absolutely way worse at unjustified pricetags then you are biased.
I wished you learn more about production costs.
Imagine paying $3000 for a Seiko and having alignment issues. 😱 For that price you can get a GS. Seems like better value.
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3:17 Seiko - WTF happend with fitting barcelet and case? And for that price?!?! Ridiculous😐
3:14 I like it though. I will buy one.
seems that MrBond is not enjoying new releases ...
I am curious why you think a Kinessi movement is “not that great “. Perhaps you could compare this movement to comparable eta, rolex and seiko movements. I think they make a pretty solid movement which is COSC certified.
Kenisi are fantastic movements with shock resistance, anti-magnetism, 70 PR, and smooth 28k. They’re also very reliable.
I meant not great for the price - $12,000
Why does this channel get to criticize watches without in the metal review? This watch review channel has that kind if format where he's just looking at photos and reading specs over the internet. We want some macros and in hand reviews not some talking head. This guy is hardly reviewing any actual of significance in his channel
Seiko has been releasing models with this "outrageous" prices according to your type of mentality.
Seiko, the giant. The second most lucrative watch manufacturer in the world yet you think you know the market better is quite strange.
Yes they sell quite well, people want them and the fact that they keep releasing more outrageous watches is evidence that they know what they are doing.
Look at the brands that are rather stagnant. Those are not doing as well in this economic global crisis.
The new Marinemaster looks like a parts bin special, I'll stick with my SLA023
Seiko need a rival to the Black Bay market; and so here is their iteration.
Олеже, не ЛонжінС, а Лонжін…. так правильно вимовляти назву цього бренду!
Finally Seiko are going 4 Hz. The price is more than a little stiff, though.
Iso certified 200m MM with a glass back case. Its seem too fragile for its purpose..
Modern Seiko is such a joke. I'm only interested in vintage. Much cheaper and better quality.
4:56 really just forced me to draw a line for any seiko purchases in the future. I vote with my wallet to never let seiko get away with charging Tudor black bay money for this
This. Who in their right mind is going to pick these bastardized MM / 62MAS over a BB54 / 58 or this new Longines Legend Diver 39?
Love the new B&R but would never pay the asking price.
Is the Longines movement a modded ETA?
Longines is from Swatch. All Swatch movements are slightly modified ETA movements.
The "in-house" designation is marketing BS.
I really like the design of the new marine master and the size is fantastic for a daily wear. But to be worth the money it needs a couple of tweaks.
Remove the x from the dial
Have over 60hrs of power reserve and have better tolerances, if you can't be bothered standing behind your product why should I spend my money on it. Plus or minus 15 seconds is a joke.
Talking about jokes, I’m ignoring any watch with a bracelet that hasn’t got on the fly adjustment but Seiko takes the mickey.
That longines also looks too expensive and I would much prefer a date function than the number 13 at 3'oclock.
Unsigned crown on that Seiko lmao.
Re Seiko: Nope. Not with an unsigned crown and only 2 micro-adjust bracelet at that price point.
That bell & ross should hit Jomashop about this time next year for 6500
LOL
Seiko is what they call “smoking their own product” on the streets. They’re high, like the price of the Marinemaster.
Can't you find photo of a real MM300 on the Internet instead of using one with a fake dial and probably a fake watch? 🙄🙄
Seiko figures its sales volumes will continue to fall permanently, so in order to keep profits up it keeps hiking SRPs and churning out ‘limited editions’ to create FOMO. Even if some Seiko fanbois baulk at the designs and price increases, Seiko thinks enough will continue to buy - especially the limited editions - to keep the cash rolling in. Why bother making and selling 18 $150 watches when you can make and sell one Marinemaster for $2,800?
Good point. The casual consumer who use to buy Seiko now buys smart watches instead. Smart watches are wreaking havoc on traditional watch sales.
Seiko should just stop producing watches that cost less than $500. They should leave that market segment to Orient. Seiko should focus on producing and improving their more iconic watches- pretty much all their divers. And also adding more dress watches to their King Seiko line.
I’m so done with Seiko. Their movements suck. I just got a watch with a brand new NH34 and it’s going between-10 to +26 seconds per day. Totally unacceptable! I’d be totally fine if it ran +26 spd but was somewhat consistent, but this speed up slow down crap, when worn for the same amount of time daily, is just crap. It’s not the only one I’ve seen like this either. I bought a SPB-143 new and it was running inconsistently as well, sometimes-3 spd, sometimes up to +40spd. And this is one of their higher end movements. Unbelievable!!
Tragic bastardization of the Marinemaster name. Sad. Next Omega will rename the Aquaterra as the Planet Ocean.
Well, I think their Railmaster falls under the Seamaster line. Which is weird.
What is so surprising on the price of the Marinemasters? I payed 3500 USD for my SLA021 so these are cheaper
Perhaps yours is what a MM is suppose to look like? The MM 200 doesn’t look like a MM. And the 6L37 specs are weak for the price
@@RabbitWatchShop Value for specs is a tricky topic to navigate as arguably you will get same specs as an entry level luxury watch from Aliexpress for 200 dollars. I know nothing about this new MM200 nor its movement, but its 1500 cheaper than my MM300. Just pointing that out. And there is always an expectation that Seiko should be cheap. They are no longer a cheap brand, especially their Prospex line.
@@RabbitWatchShopyou've probably never even changed a battery inna quartz watch so stop with that
@@AcmeRocket Dude, I repair watches as a side hustle and hobby past time. I also mod them, one of which is on my channel. Troll 🧌
I think Seiko is asking for too much money for this model..... at he 5:00 minute mark in this video you see that cheap looking folding diver extension and the rather basic looking stamped clasp. Even some of the Ali Express brands offer milled clasps on watches costing less than 400USD. Then the movement characteristics also seem lackluster when being priced at this level, which you can find some COSC certified models at this point. Not saying this isn't a nice watch....just a bit too pricey for what it is.
Wtf 3000 bucks and u get a pressed metal dive extension 😮
New Marine Master.... 2,800 dollars? Blimey. There's an old saying however Oleg. 'If you look like a sheep, you will be fleeced.' Well yes. Quite.
I have a SPB185J and would take it over the “marine master” which is not the real marine master.
The name Marinemaster on this is a sacrilege.
The Bell & Ross is cool but that is WAY too pricey
Yeah. Seiko isn't an everyman's watch company anymore.... Terrible value for money. Won't touch the stuff these days.
Title of the video, new Seiko watch! Actual video content, check out this new longines watch 😂😂😂 what a joke.
lol I wouldn't pay over $500 for a Seiko.
The Seiko is well overpriced I won't be picking up the marine master rather get a good old' C63. Quality piece at a competitive price.
Reviewers are pure hypocrites on pricing.
Guilty as charged!
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For the price I get a 2019 omega po
Not at 12.3 thick you don't.