we watch enthusiasts live in a halo world a non-existent world in which snobs and hobbyists think Tudor is poor man Rolex, Glashutte Original is poor man Lange and zenith defy is poor man's AP and the truth is no poor man buys a 5-10k watch period. Poor man at best buys Casio 91W or a Seiko 5 so why we always make those statements its actually very baffling!?
No one has commented on this absolute gem of a comment so I will sir. This is the most true thing about the watch community period. It's the most unspoken toxic thing in the world to put down people who PREFER a Black Bay 58 to a Sub or a Defy to an AP or an Alpine Eagle or even a Riviera to a Nautilus. Laureto over an overseas? Sure I can see it. To call any of those watches a poor man's option is mind-blowing since all of these are literally THOUSANDS of dollars the the average person will NEVER have to ability to splurge on when a timex or a good seiko or Casio is good enough for them. And hell there isn't anything wrong with an SKX or Weekender or base Gshock. Horological gems. We like watches. Period. Price be damned.
Great review and I agree, it is darn near perfect from the looks of it. I own a Zenith El Primero Striking 10th and the design and finishing are amazing - it’s just so gorgeous. Zenith is a fabulous choice to collect.
I tried it last Monday, completely randmoly while I was at the airport, felt in love with the white-cream dial version... This Skyline is really amazing, gonna have to save some money now 😀
Love Zenith watches. The el primero movement is awesome. Both Zenith and Omega punch above their weight IMO. I’m a movement nerd and would rather have this over a Rolex that you can’t even see.
Love the Defy Skyline - really is a great watch in its price range. Many don’t realize that Zenith has its own history and heritage and contributed quite a lot to the watch market, which leads to lazy analysis of “RO homage” - oh well, can’t always fix ignorance. Have you seen the new skeleton defy? It’s quite nice as well!
The previous Defy is much better looking. Granted this has a better movement but subjectively we cannot tell the difference. The skeleton dial is amazing and it's round and not royal oak type. Now in regards to construction, I just wanna say that Bruce is right, the attention to detail and the quality of the materials is top notch! You see a lot of titanium watches, but this one is at the top.
@@gavinBsussex I have the Shunbun which I guess has the same construction material as Snowflake. The titanium in Zenith looks better due to native colour and while the Shunbun looks great it has a slight tint of discoloration at the first link from the case. Maybe it's due to the fact that GS wanted the bracelet to be shiny? I like them both. One is sporty one is elegant.
I own previous generation skeleton and shunbun and I agree with Gavin about the discolour on the shunbun, but other than that, there’s not much difference, the shunbun does wear more comfortable on my small wrist
Because they dont make advertisement like others, Zenith owned to Louisvuitton group since 1999, i think they disrtibute their advertisement budget for all their brands,
Yup, I have the blue face version. It's like most from Zenith, well above value for $ than most luxury brands. It's a watch Rolex could only hope to build, for less $ and a long history. Fact is, RO ripped off Zenith as the line and the look came out several years before the RO. Only negative for me is, it should have a 60s second hand. A normal 60 second hand plus the 10s hand would look visually better.
You mean Zenith made such design before the Royal Oak? I really love the Zenith watches and fully agree to what you said about the brand, but I didn’t know that. I have tried this defy skyline this week, cream dial, and while I was about to buy a GMT Master II, I completely changed my mind and decided to give me a few days to re-think about it.
Thank you for the review! I really wish they hadn't discontinued the Zenith Defy Skeleton in titanium. With that being said, congrats on almost making 100K followers!
I really want to like this watch because it's visually stunning, but I just can't get over the fact that it literally doesn't tell you the time to the second despite the fact that it has a second hand. In this case the second hand is pure decoration and has nothing to do with time telling. I don't mind unorthodox design at all, in fact I'm drawn to it, however reducing the most core functionality of a watch -- time keeping -- and replacing it with something functionally useless just for the sake of novelty is just one step too far. The 10 second period can totally make sense for a chronograph, provided there's a 60 second subdial. But completely removing the ability to know what second is just doesn't sit right.
This is really curious to me. Do you often need to know the proper second in your daily routine? I dont in mine. Tradionally a seconds complication was just to show that the movement was running, and many calibers did not hack (some still dont) Technically a seconds complication is not essential to the timekeeping of a movement. If I am timing something, absolutely I want a chronograph. But just for a daily wear I don't see the need. But maybe you need it. Thanks!
I think what would have made that watch perfect would have been a second hand + the 10th second hand. I still got one, but I do think that would have made it even better.
As a daily routine I check the time two times a day to the second to keep track of the accuracy (and the movement). This seconds hand make it harder to even know the time to the minute and is also stressful to look at.
I wonder long term which of the three colors will be the most sought after. Blue might be the sexiest, and white the most versatile, but black is a dark horse too. I’d guess blue or white. But honestly I’d love to own all three colors lol
100%. I saw this in person a couple of weeks ago and the thickness immediately put me off. Thick as a Sub with minimal WR and no bezel. Should be 10mm or less if Zenith want to show their watchmaking chops.
The blue dial version of this watch is the nicest I have ever seen, IF they removed the subdial. They have a 36mm version without the subdial but too small for my wrist and taste. Bummer.
I do really like this and it's solved a lot of my aesthetic issues with the previous defy. But it just needed to retain the old movement and keep the same thickness as the old watch. Then it would have been perfect.
Agreed you have to see it in person to really appreciate it. I am also a Rolex owner and this felt just as impressive on my wrist. I quickly realized I needed one and I’m really likening learning about zenith and I’d love to add one to my growing collection.
I don't get the seconds hand. Help me see the use of it. Very hard to read and moves stressfully fast. I'd rather skip it. With a well-lumed ordinary seconds hand you can tell the time to the second even in the dark.
The Zenith more hefty and solid. More light play too. The Santos is lighter and arguably more comfortable. The tool-less sizing of the links is great too. If I had to pick one it would be the zenith
This escaping secondhand would make me crazy....destroying my pulse.. Realy nice an perfect macro shoots.. How is anybody able to tell how good its keeping the time, even to Set it to the second?
The Laureato feels too vanilla and tame on wrist. Compared to the Skyline it’s just uninteresting very honestly. I tried both on my wrist extensively just because I couldn’t believe how much I preferred the zenith over the GP. I went in assuming the GP would be the easy winner given the price. Lesson learned.
If I ever have the money for a watch around this price point, 100 times out of 100 I will be looking for this watch or the skeleton dial. Rolex my butt
I have never seen one in real life, yet I appreciate the Defy line. Zenith has been doing great work, except for improving their product headshots. Their brand imagery just does not do their product justice as well made live shots and videos show. Ni exception with this Skyline. However, for me personally, I would have preferred the cleaner dial from the Classic model in this case and bracelet. I am not convinced by the date windows in this line, nor the 3 o'clock subdial, though the two elements together do balance out a bit. On the Classic I don't like the star counterweight so much. It's a step too far for me, I guess. Ultimately thought, I want to shout out to the Women's models, by they Skyline or diamond studded, they truly look highly desirable and tasteful. Furthermore, the Revival models also seem to get worthy praise. It's a fact Zenith started with this kind of design before the RO.
Honestly you have to try one on and hold it in hand to truly appreciate it. I know it was that way for me. I was aware of the watch but it wasn’t even on my list of watches to buy until k handled it and it quickly jumped to the top of my list!
Sadly Zenith is not very popular and the choices I have are way better than this watch... I purchased a Zenith defy classic for about 6 grand. Now nobody wants to buy it for less than 4 .. terrible depreciation. aesthetically they are pleasing, but as a whole package they don´t offer much compared to competition. If this watch was around $4 grand it would be way more popular. I even prefer Tudor.
@@catch-xxii5368 No! I Flip watches but not for profit I just do it to buy other watches for personal use and testing, Just like Bruce. I just wished some watches retain more value.
@@rigatake5 Understandable, well too bad. These Zenith watch aren’t really appreciated much by the masses unless it’s us watch folks I suppose. Gotta buy em cheap with the grey and then just flip it around when you feel like you wanna try out another watch.
Yay.. another royal oaky watch. but with an “original” twist (12 sides instead of 8) That’s 50% more sides for you your dollar! Watch world… move on. I hate to be a smart-ass… but goodness, let’s get some more watch designs not based on APRO or Submariner, or Explorer ( I, II) … etc, etc, etc. (he says while wearing a Tudor BBGMT 😂) Nice video as usual Bruce.
Jason look into the history of the defy, its really fascinating. It predates the RO. There are two defy references that this skyline takes nearly all it's visual cues from. Both prefate the RO. Saying it's a royal oaky watch isn't giving zenith its due credit. Zenith: Swiss Watch Manufacture Since 1865 by Manfred Rössler is a great read, well worth the time 👍👍
@@BruceWilliams I'll check it out... but.... you have to admit it IS Royal-Oaky (or the Royal Oak is kind of Zenith-y). It' is mildly suspicious that Zenith dredged it up out of their back catalog at the same time so many others are dredging up their RO-like back catalog items. How about that Zenith Chronomaster Sport Daytona? I think almost all these watch designers are a pretty incestuous group. Like I said... I was complaining about AP and Zenith while I was wearing a Tudor Black Bay "Pepsi" GMT. I live in a glass house too. Thanks for the tip.
@@Jdinaz dude really is in denial... I don't think RO is as good of a design as Nautilus is but this is blatantly a RO copy down to the crown... Zenith may have had this series a year before RO but it wasn't anywhere near the same design back then. The only thing Zenith got it going for back then is the integrated bracelet and that's it.
I don't know, dude. The last generation, open-work dial was genuinely exciting, and I'd have taken one of those over a Rolex. This one is much more subdued and doesn't appeal to me much; I'd rather have the Rolex or a million other things. My preference would be for you to explain WHY you think it's more exciting (and not just keep reasserting the claim), or HOW it's better?
As stated in the video, better movement, brighter and heavier material. More intricate dial. Additional strap and quick release. The case/bezel is also references historic zenith better. Overall just a touch improved. Hard to do 👍
@@BruceWilliams ah, so you meant better than the plain dial earlier model. I can see that. I was confused by the fact that you kept mentioning and showing the open-worked dial.
Too expensive. This brand can’t realize such prices at whole. The value of this watches is really bad when you want to sell it over the used market. But it is a wonderful watch. But in the end too pricey.
That sounds like a great opportunity to get one at a discount then. Buying watches was never about buying a watch so you can sell it later and make money. Buying a watch is about, you see something that you like and you buy it regardless of selling it at some other time.
thats a wild statement coming from someone who probably owns a G shock only lol. this watch is not thick by any means, not even close to being considered thick. the fact you even said that tells me how much you know about watches.
At almost 16mm thick, it's a whole 7mm chunkier than my 15202 and even bulkier than my old Powermatic 80. But since you throw 'lol' around like some keyboard incel warrior, I'll cut you some slack
@@maestro200377 yeah, and that watch looked absolutely nothing like this one. The bezel, case, lugs and textured dial may not make it a Royal Oak homage when looked at in isolation, but one look at the finished product and it's very clear that it is heavily inspired by the AP
I am getting so tired of these dive watches with rotating bezel. I am getting so tired of these chronos with tachymeter. I am getting so tired of these dress watches with precious metal case.
@@BruceWilliams I know what he means though. Lack of micro adjust drives me crazy on my classic skeleton. Constantly a little too big or too small if remove another link.
@@marvinberwart The zenith A3642 came out several years before the RO. The RO borrowed it's design from that Zenith it would appear. That's the facts of it people should know before calling the Skyline an homage, cuz it's more the reverse. If you have evidence suggesting otherwise, feel free to supply it.
@@willbrink I think you musunderstood me, brave sir. I was responding to the original post stating that the zenith was an hommage. To me, the origins of the integrated bracelet design are to be found between Omega and Grand Seiko (the 1969 6185-14). The Royal oak, although the most popular example is far from being the first.
@@marvinberwart My bad. It's hard to know who is saying what some times. I have to say I get tired of people claiming the Zenith is a RO homage, when if anything, it's the other way around, nor did they create the integrated bracelet as you pointed out. Seiko does not get the credit it deserves for innovation in the watch world either.
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we watch enthusiasts live in a halo world a non-existent world in which snobs and hobbyists think Tudor is poor man Rolex, Glashutte Original is poor man Lange and zenith defy is poor man's AP and the truth is no poor man buys a 5-10k watch period. Poor man at best buys Casio 91W or a Seiko 5 so why we always make those statements its actually very baffling!?
No one has commented on this absolute gem of a comment so I will sir. This is the most true thing about the watch community period. It's the most unspoken toxic thing in the world to put down people who PREFER a Black Bay 58 to a Sub or a Defy to an AP or an Alpine Eagle or even a Riviera to a Nautilus. Laureto over an overseas? Sure I can see it. To call any of those watches a poor man's option is mind-blowing since all of these are literally THOUSANDS of dollars the the average person will NEVER have to ability to splurge on when a timex or a good seiko or Casio is good enough for them. And hell there isn't anything wrong with an SKX or Weekender or base Gshock. Horological gems. We like watches. Period. Price be damned.
I collect Zenith watches since 2006 and I'm pretty glad they are being very competitive, it gives brand recognition and value to my oldies 😍
Great review and I agree, it is darn near perfect from the looks of it. I own a Zenith El Primero Striking 10th and the design and finishing are amazing - it’s just so gorgeous. Zenith is a fabulous choice to collect.
I agree with you ! I recently bought Zenith chronomaster sport titanium and it IS probably my best watch of my collection
Just purchased this with the silver/white dial. Absolutely love it. Very different than the other 4 Zenith pieces I have.
I tried it last Monday, completely randmoly while I was at the airport, felt in love with the white-cream dial version... This Skyline is really amazing, gonna have to save some money now 😀
Same here!
Same!
Love Zenith watches. The el primero movement is awesome. Both Zenith and Omega punch above their weight IMO. I’m a movement nerd and would rather have this over a Rolex that you can’t even see.
Love the Defy Skyline - really is a great watch in its price range. Many don’t realize that Zenith has its own history and heritage and contributed quite a lot to the watch market, which leads to lazy analysis of “RO homage” - oh well, can’t always fix ignorance. Have you seen the new skeleton defy? It’s quite nice as well!
It's true, and at some point we were all ignorant.
I don't quite like the 30-second sub-dial. Prefer the older Defy. (their latest skeleton version they announced recently look nice tough)
The previous Defy is much better looking. Granted this has a better movement but subjectively we cannot tell the difference. The skeleton dial is amazing and it's round and not royal oak type. Now in regards to construction, I just wanna say that Bruce is right, the attention to detail and the quality of the materials is top notch! You see a lot of titanium watches, but this one is at the top.
This Defy is great, but if I am looking at a top notch titanium watch then I am going with Grand Seiko Snowflake everyday of the week.
@@gavinBsussex I have the Shunbun which I guess has the same construction material as Snowflake. The titanium in Zenith looks better due to native colour and while the Shunbun looks great it has a slight tint of discoloration at the first link from the case. Maybe it's due to the fact that GS wanted the bracelet to be shiny? I like them both. One is sporty one is elegant.
I own previous generation skeleton and shunbun and I agree with Gavin about the discolour on the shunbun, but other than that, there’s not much difference, the shunbun does wear more comfortable on my small wrist
Note that the older defy was titanium but the skyline is stainless steel
I think there’s definitely room for both styles depending on taste. I can appreciate the exposed dial but not as a daily driver for me.
The watch is a beauty. I still don't understand why Zenith doesn't have the same mainstream appeal as the rest of the big brands.
shh let’s gatekeep this
Because they dont make advertisement like others, Zenith owned to Louisvuitton group since 1999, i think they disrtibute their advertisement budget for all their brands,
We definitely need a 41mm version of the new Skyline 36 in mint green. It's such an awesome dial. Without the 1/10 Sec. marker even better.
While the 10-second hand stresses me out, but it makes sense to show off the capability of the high beat movement
Stresses me out too haha as if I'm being reminded that time flies and we'll all be dead soon
@@praigleo5883 Just enjoy the ride.... 😅
Yeah it does gives this ticking bomb feel
That AR coating on the underside of the crystal is so effective, I hope Oris can achieve this effective one side AR coating.
Yup, I have the blue face version. It's like most from Zenith, well above value for $ than most luxury brands. It's a watch Rolex could only hope to build, for less $ and a long history. Fact is, RO ripped off Zenith as the line and the look came out several years before the RO. Only negative for me is, it should have a 60s second hand. A normal 60 second hand plus the 10s hand would look visually better.
Well said
You mean Zenith made such design before the Royal Oak? I really love the Zenith watches and fully agree to what you said about the brand, but I didn’t know that. I have tried this defy skyline this week, cream dial, and while I was about to buy a GMT Master II, I completely changed my mind and decided to give me a few days to re-think about it.
@@Killwolf13 facts 👍
Zenith Defy predates the Royal Oak
@@bobj8877 Facts.
Did you sell your defy skeleton? What do you think of the skyline skeleton? Cheers!
man that is sharp. and love the El Primero movement!
Would love for Zenith to bring out this watch in a two-tone blue/gold.
I have the boutique edition with a grey and rose gold solid dial. It is an amazing watch.
That seconds hand is nervous. I would prefer a normal high beat motion of the second hand. The watch is a beauty.
Thank you for the review! I really wish they hadn't discontinued the Zenith Defy Skeleton in titanium. With that being said, congrats on almost making 100K followers!
What's the point of the 1/10s sub dial? What's the use case for this?
I’m debating between this Zenith Defy Skyline or the Bvlgari Octo Roma. Basically the same price.
Beautiful watch, Bruce.
Bruce, you no longer own your zenith defy skeleton? I remember you did multiple videos on that watch and how much you enjoyed it.
The seconds hand is a great party trick.... very cool
I really want to like this watch because it's visually stunning, but I just can't get over the fact that it literally doesn't tell you the time to the second despite the fact that it has a second hand. In this case the second hand is pure decoration and has nothing to do with time telling.
I don't mind unorthodox design at all, in fact I'm drawn to it, however reducing the most core functionality of a watch -- time keeping -- and replacing it with something functionally useless just for the sake of novelty is just one step too far.
The 10 second period can totally make sense for a chronograph, provided there's a 60 second subdial. But completely removing the ability to know what second is just doesn't sit right.
This is really curious to me. Do you often need to know the proper second in your daily routine? I dont in mine. Tradionally a seconds complication was just to show that the movement was running, and many calibers did not hack (some still dont) Technically a seconds complication is not essential to the timekeeping of a movement. If I am timing something, absolutely I want a chronograph. But just for a daily wear I don't see the need. But maybe you need it. Thanks!
I think what would have made that watch perfect would have been a second hand + the 10th second hand. I still got one, but I do think that would have made it even better.
As a daily routine I check the time two times a day to the second to keep track of the accuracy (and the movement). This seconds hand make it harder to even know the time to the minute and is also stressful to look at.
How often do you need to know the time....to the second?
@@johnprosser5035 Nothing to do with need per se, I think it would have been aesthetically better to have the second hand included.
Great homage of the Edifice EFR s108. I see a bright future for Zenith.
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I wonder long term which of the three colors will be the most sought after. Blue might be the sexiest, and white the most versatile, but black is a dark horse too. I’d guess blue or white. But honestly I’d love to own all three colors lol
‘Perfect’ would be a thinner version. That holds true with a lot of Zenith. Beautiful pieces, but too thicccc
100%. I saw this in person a couple of weeks ago and the thickness immediately put me off. Thick as a Sub with minimal WR and no bezel. Should be 10mm or less if Zenith want to show their watchmaking chops.
@@saodavi6267 exactly. Makes for good marketing/photos, but on the wrist not so much.
@@saodavi6267 Thickness is 12,5 mm, I do not see a problem with thickness.
What became of the defy oscillator watch from Zenith? Best Regards; Jay
What do you recommend me? JLC POLARIS OR ZENITH defy skyline 🙏🏽
the skyline skeleton is where its at. Bit higher price but so so good.
i view the sub dial as a neat way to tell the watch is running
Love it. Way more handsome than the Laureato imo.
I agree
The blue dial version of this watch is the nicest I have ever seen, IF they removed the subdial. They have a 36mm version without the subdial but too small for my wrist and taste. Bummer.
Stunning
I do really like this and it's solved a lot of my aesthetic issues with the previous defy. But it just needed to retain the old movement and keep the same thickness as the old watch. Then it would have been perfect.
the Defy Classic was better than the Skyline, IMO...but the new Skyline Skeleton is even better than Classic Skeleton..
I have this watch , blue dial
Absolute perfection seeing in live.
Rolex owner speaking.
I might have missed how thick this was in Bruce’s review…can you share?
@@david12990 12,5 mm
Agreed you have to see it in person to really appreciate it. I am also a Rolex owner and this felt just as impressive on my wrist. I quickly realized I needed one and I’m really likening learning about zenith and I’d love to add one to my growing collection.
I tried one on a few weeks ago back to back with the Laureato. Hands down Skyline was the better looking and feeling watch.
I don't get the seconds hand. Help me see the use of it. Very hard to read and moves stressfully fast. I'd rather skip it.
With a well-lumed ordinary seconds hand you can tell the time to the second even in the dark.
This watch is perfect except for the baffling 10 second wheel. Take that away and the watch is perfect at the price point.
Saw this in person last week, the finish of the movement reminds me my old Tissot, ...plus the hard to adjust bracket...will skip this one.
A very underrated brand , brilliant watches for the price El Primero 🏴🙏
It's a better looking watch than the Royal Oak, not saying it's better, just better looking.
So what separates this Zenith masterpiece from the integrated sports watches of the Holy Trinity, apart from their ludicrous astronomical price tags?
36mm Version will be dope.
They just released one this year.
the seconds hand would make me super anxious lmao
Lol
Always wanted a Zenith Defy,until Tissot PRX Chronograph came out.I can't see spending way more where Tissot gives enough luxury.
I really want to see this watch in full rose gold with a chocolate or rhodium dial
D1 Milano ran away immediately after Zenith Approached the scene
How would you compare this bracelet to that of the Santos? Which do you prefer and why?
The Zenith more hefty and solid. More light play too. The Santos is lighter and arguably more comfortable. The tool-less sizing of the links is great too. If I had to pick one it would be the zenith
does it hack?
Not bad but I prefer the GP Laureato in this price range.
For 5000 dollars more it is not the same price range is it?
This video is a month old, so I'm sure you've flipped this watch by now. 😜
Nice find!
This escaping secondhand would make me crazy....destroying my pulse..
Realy nice an perfect macro shoots..
How is anybody able to tell how good its keeping the time, even to Set it to the second?
Beautiful watch but stupid seconds functionality, destroys purpose. Good to see their new Defy range has disposed of it
Looks great... a bit like a wonky Royal Oak. Actually lets be honest, its a homage.
A homage to what?
@@barrylattuca5352 The clue is in the original post... melt.
@@markclayden7654 Bruce addressed that in his video. It’s not an homage.
@@barrylattuca5352 Anyone with eyes can see it is.
@@markclayden7654 As I said, Bruce addressed that in the video.
Breathe of fresh air, no Rolex please.
Give me both
It's a nice one.
It would be interesting to know how you feel the zenith compares to the Gerrard perigo lorrietto?
I'd love to see that too. The new 38mm copper looks AMAZING
I tried them both and much preferred the Zenith in looks and feel. And such a bonus with all the strap options.
I do not like the dial pattern.
Nice one
I still prefer GP Laureato, which has better finishing overall.
The Laureato feels too vanilla and tame on wrist. Compared to the Skyline it’s just uninteresting very honestly. I tried both on my wrist extensively just because I couldn’t believe how much I preferred the zenith over the GP. I went in assuming the GP would be the easy winner given the price. Lesson learned.
If Zenith becomes sponsor for Formula 1, tennis cup, golf cup , like Rolex , you can not buy this watch less than 20.000 usd 😂
Small “seconds” hand is hilarious but not cool at all, IMO.🤷🏻♂️
If I ever have the money for a watch around this price point, 100 times out of 100 I will be looking for this watch or the skeleton dial. Rolex my butt
looks like a royal oak
that brand is so pricey. old school G SHOCK?
I have never seen one in real life, yet I appreciate the Defy line. Zenith has been doing great work, except for improving their product headshots. Their brand imagery just does not do their product justice as well made live shots and videos show. Ni exception with this Skyline. However, for me personally, I would have preferred the cleaner dial from the Classic model in this case and bracelet. I am not convinced by the date windows in this line, nor the 3 o'clock subdial, though the two elements together do balance out a bit. On the Classic I don't like the star counterweight so much. It's a step too far for me, I guess. Ultimately thought, I want to shout out to the Women's models, by they Skyline or diamond studded, they truly look highly desirable and tasteful. Furthermore, the Revival models also seem to get worthy praise. It's a fact Zenith started with this kind of design before the RO.
Honestly you have to try one on and hold it in hand to truly appreciate it. I know it was that way for me. I was aware of the watch but it wasn’t even on my list of watches to buy until k handled it and it quickly jumped to the top of my list!
9p😢 4:37
I would have said it's a PRX ripoff over a Royal Oak ripoff
Loved this for years but the potential high service costs put me off this....as its going to do what speed freaks do.. Crash 😮
Sadly Zenith is not very popular and the choices I have are way better than this watch... I purchased a Zenith defy classic for about 6 grand. Now nobody wants to buy it for less than 4 .. terrible depreciation. aesthetically they are pleasing, but as a whole package they don´t offer much compared to competition. If this watch was around $4 grand it would be way more popular. I even prefer Tudor.
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Jumping into the hobby for the wrong reason eh.
@@catch-xxii5368 No! I Flip watches but not for profit I just do it to buy other watches for personal use and testing, Just like Bruce. I just wished some watches retain more value.
@@rigatake5 Understandable, well too bad. These Zenith watch aren’t really appreciated much by the masses unless it’s us watch folks I suppose. Gotta buy em cheap with the grey and then just flip it around when you feel like you wanna try out another watch.
if they get rid of that useless second hand i'll buy one
Why would anyone buy a Rolex.
it's a Audemar clone
that sub-seconds kills it for me.
Yay.. another royal oaky watch. but with an “original” twist (12 sides instead of 8) That’s 50% more sides for you your dollar! Watch world… move on. I hate to be a smart-ass… but goodness, let’s get some more watch designs not based on APRO or Submariner, or Explorer ( I, II) … etc, etc, etc. (he says while wearing a Tudor BBGMT 😂)
Nice video as usual Bruce.
Jason look into the history of the defy, its really fascinating. It predates the RO. There are two defy references that this skyline takes nearly all it's visual cues from. Both prefate the RO. Saying it's a royal oaky watch isn't giving zenith its due credit. Zenith: Swiss Watch Manufacture Since 1865 by
Manfred Rössler is a great read, well worth the time 👍👍
@@BruceWilliams I'll check it out... but.... you have to admit it IS Royal-Oaky (or the Royal Oak is kind of Zenith-y). It' is mildly suspicious that Zenith dredged it up out of their back catalog at the same time so many others are dredging up their RO-like back catalog items. How about that Zenith Chronomaster Sport Daytona? I think almost all these watch designers are a pretty incestuous group. Like I said... I was complaining about AP and Zenith while I was wearing a Tudor Black Bay "Pepsi" GMT. I live in a glass house too. Thanks for the tip.
@@Jdinaz dude really is in denial... I don't think RO is as good of a design as Nautilus is but this is blatantly a RO copy down to the crown... Zenith may have had this series a year before RO but it wasn't anywhere near the same design back then. The only thing Zenith got it going for back then is the integrated bracelet and that's it.
I don't know, dude. The last generation, open-work dial was genuinely exciting, and I'd have taken one of those over a Rolex. This one is much more subdued and doesn't appeal to me much; I'd rather have the Rolex or a million other things. My preference would be for you to explain WHY you think it's more exciting (and not just keep reasserting the claim), or HOW it's better?
As stated in the video, better movement, brighter and heavier material. More intricate dial. Additional strap and quick release. The case/bezel is also references historic zenith better. Overall just a touch improved. Hard to do 👍
@@BruceWilliams ah, so you meant better than the plain dial earlier model. I can see that. I was confused by the fact that you kept mentioning and showing the open-worked dial.
@@MrZanzibar123 I would say both. I've reviewed the plain dial. But owned the open work
Too expensive. This brand can’t realize such prices at whole. The value of this watches is really bad when you want to sell it over the used market. But it is a wonderful watch. But in the end too pricey.
That sounds like a great opportunity to get one at a discount then. Buying watches was never about buying a watch so you can sell it later and make money. Buying a watch is about, you see something that you like and you buy it regardless of selling it at some other time.
Zenith doesn't make a lot of watches annually. They sell very well considering the prices.
It looks cheap beacuse of its thickness
thats a wild statement coming from someone who probably owns a G shock only lol. this watch is not thick by any means, not even close to being considered thick. the fact you even said that tells me how much you know about watches.
At almost 16mm thick, it's a whole 7mm chunkier than my 15202 and even bulkier than my old Powermatic 80. But since you throw 'lol' around like some keyboard incel warrior, I'll cut you some slack
@@hjlpoppp are you a drug addict? its 12mm thick.
@@hjlpoppp its 12mm thick. your skull is probably really thick
I would love a Zenith, shame they so pricey!
A Rolex instead of this? Surely nobody is that silly!
Looks like an Oak on a Nautilus bracelet.
Sorry no where near perfect
Hate that star!
Too Dallas Cowboys?
Not bad for a Royal Oak clone.
Actually this watch was made before Royal Oak…
@@maestro200377 yeah, and that watch looked absolutely nothing like this one. The bezel, case, lugs and textured dial may not make it a Royal Oak homage when looked at in isolation, but one look at the finished product and it's very clear that it is heavily inspired by the AP
I am getting so tired of these integrated bracelet sport pieces..
I am getting so tired of these dive watches with rotating bezel.
I am getting so tired of these chronos with tachymeter.
I am getting so tired of these dress watches with precious metal case.
@@seaweed719 lol gotcha
Still no micro-adjustment on the Bracelet, poor attention to detail at this price point.
Lol 'poor attention to detail' and Zenith Skyline can never be uttered in the same sentence with validity
@@BruceWilliams I know what he means though. Lack of micro adjust drives me crazy on my classic skeleton. Constantly a little too big or too small if remove another link.
It screams Royal oak
Classic ignorance
Call it what it is, a top level homage watch.
Yah, no. You may want to see how "ripped off" who there.
Extremly ignorant statement, dear sir.
@@marvinberwart The zenith A3642 came out several years before the RO. The RO borrowed it's design from that Zenith it would appear. That's the facts of it people should know before calling the Skyline an homage, cuz it's more the reverse. If you have evidence suggesting otherwise, feel free to supply it.
@@willbrink I think you musunderstood me, brave sir. I was responding to the original post stating that the zenith was an hommage. To me, the origins of the integrated bracelet design are to be found between Omega and Grand Seiko (the 1969 6185-14). The Royal oak, although the most popular example is far from being the first.
@@marvinberwart My bad. It's hard to know who is saying what some times. I have to say I get tired of people claiming the Zenith is a RO homage, when if anything, it's the other way around, nor did they create the integrated bracelet as you pointed out. Seiko does not get the credit it deserves for innovation in the watch world either.