This game is amazing. My only criticism is that you need 5 players to play, which is more than most board games. I won as Hitler twice last night. In the first game, a liberal screwed up his interrogation, making everyone think he was Hitler. We had fascist presidents in the next two turns, so we got 2 more fascist policies and killed the other liberals. We then proceeded to vote against every president-chancellor combo in hopes that the card flip would be fascist and it was. In the 2nd game, I pulled the bold strategy of outing the other fascist with interrogation. On the next turn everyone trusted me, so they made me chancellor.
I went to a camp and we had like 7-8 people play including some councillors and we all had a blast, We played 3 games and 2 games fascists won and 1 game where the liberals won. This is a must play board game!
I hard disagree that you "cannot be good at secret hitler." It's all about psychology and reading people (body language, tone of voice, etc.). Some people are just going to be naturally good at it.
I think he's assuming a similar skill set among players - so, can Secret Hitler identify one team which is slightly better than another team? no. But, can Secret Hitler identify one team which is hugely better than another team? yes, of course, a skilled team is always going to beat noobs. I do agree that Avalon is very deterministic - if you remember all the votes and cards, you can identify everyone.
the rules/game is simple enough you could recreate it using index cards and some cardboard, if you're really desperate. the only trick is finding friends. Try to do it, it's one of my favorite games to play with friends, with strangers, with experienced gamers, and people who don't play many board games at all. it really is a fantastic game.
Secrethitler.io you can register and play. Warning though that players there are HIGHLY competitive. Make one wrong move and you might be accused of throwing game.
In regards to the secret role question If you want a good hidden role game check out town of Salem. I'm sure you can get some good design ideas cool features and ideas.
9:00 agree on failing first mission, it can be pulled off. take the win when you can. Even if you pass the first mission, others will still think maybe you're a secret baddie, so you have nothing to gain.
Ryan N it seems to me that having 12 fascist cards created too many circumstances where liberals were forced to draw hands of 3 fascist policies and started suspecting each other incorrectly all the time. By bumping it down to 11 total, that began to happen less often and a better balance was found.
Yeah, the guy's reasoning in the talk was just "I played with 12 and it was bad" and we have no idea if this was extensive playtesting or just a game or two. I feel like there's a real mathematical explanation, and would like to know what it is!
I've got a good guess. With 6:12, then you have 6 full rounds before re-shuffling AND that means all cards are drawn, which makes it way harder for fascists to lie about the card count. With 6:11, that means you can only play 5 rounds before re-shuffling AND two cards aren't drawn, so it leaves some doubt. Were those last two cards really both liberal and everyone had been telling the truth? Or were they both fascist and we've all been horribly lied to? It basically makes it so that you have to find the fascists in other ways besides just keeping track of what cards were claimed by who - which is more fun, IMO.
Avalon is still better in term of difficulty, I know somebody will disagree because when I bought this in the past I feel like it definitely better than Avalon, but after a lot of playing people just say they got 3 fails, but I found a way to identify good guys, if they tell you they buried one success and pass you a success and fail to test what team are you in, 80% of the times they are good, because psychological speaking, bad guys feel guilty buried good card, they dun want to get themselves being suspicious
I was playing this today, and I was hitler. I thought that two of our best players were on my team because they were being very helpful and creating chaos, which led to me winning within 5 minutes. The best bit? Neither of those players were on my team, but had just not believed I would be hitler twice in a row, and the fascists on my team did very little, but we didn’t need to.
No not really just don't like it when developers of games I like show such an ideological bias to compare Trump to Hitler (secret Hitler, Secret Trump). Kinda ruins my expectation for providers of a service to remain neutral on most things
Sam Roper at what point are people supposed to stop expressing opinions? As soon as they make or publish a thing? Even if that thing has explicitly political overtones? also, that is an exceptionally strange expectation
Not really how is it strange? Also if you think the political views of hitler could be held in the public sphere without consequence you are sorely mistaken. I'd prefer it if producers of products didn't try to alienate people by showing a preference for either side of the political spectrum.
this game is pretty much a clone of other stuff like Avalon or The Resistance, they talk about it like it was something hard to design, it's stuff that you can do in few hours in a jam, and still loose as there's nothing original about it
The most important part was that he hangs out at the Cards Against Humanity office. Marketing is more important than the product sometimes, this is one of the cases.
Eh, its not a rip off. We took many of the mechanics and made some changes to make what we thought was a more fun game. Don Eskridge has played it with us and is fine with it, so I feel pretty good about it.
Just because something's derivative doesn't mean that it lacks merit, or doesn't stand on it's own. Cards Against Humanity is derivative of Apples to Apples, but both games give completely different experiences when you play them. It's easy to steal ideas, but really difficult to steal them in a way that captures, transforms, or improves upon the magic of the original. Like, there's the GDC lecture The Importance of Nothing where Jim Brown talks about how successful the original Unreal Tournament multiplayer map Facing Worlds was, but then details how every attempt to recreate the map in sequels always ended up sucking and lacking what was fun about the original map - and they were the ones who had the idea in the first place. It takes creativity and vision to look at an already established game, pick out what works and what can be tweak and improved and reframed into a better game. Even aesthetic changes are important; the stakes of getting into a bureaucratic fight against Hitler is much more higher than some abstract fantasy or sci-fi world.
I love this game and Werewolf. I built on the foundations of these games to create my own game called Bamberg: a Witch Hunt, based on the witch trials of 17th century Europe. Check my last uploaded video to see me and friends playing. I'll launch on Kickstarter soon. Follow on Instagram to get updates: Instagram: instagram.com/play_bamberg/?hl=en Cheers and lies
There's not been a single instance of anyone I've played with who said they did not enjoy this game afterwards.
This game is amazing. My only criticism is that you need 5 players to play, which is more than most board games.
I won as Hitler twice last night. In the first game, a liberal screwed up his interrogation, making everyone think he was Hitler. We had fascist presidents in the next two turns, so we got 2 more fascist policies and killed the other liberals. We then proceeded to vote against every president-chancellor combo in hopes that the card flip would be fascist and it was. In the 2nd game, I pulled the bold strategy of outing the other fascist with interrogation. On the next turn everyone trusted me, so they made me chancellor.
I went to a camp and we had like 7-8 people play including some councillors and we all had a blast, We played 3 games and 2 games fascists won and 1 game where the liberals won. This is a must play board game!
also you need 7+ if you want the fascists to be secret from Hitler which imo would be more fun
If you killed 2 liberals, you don't have to vote against the combo. The fascists have a majority, so just elect yourself. Why risk the upturn?
I hard disagree that you "cannot be good at secret hitler." It's all about psychology and reading people (body language, tone of voice, etc.). Some people are just going to be naturally good at it.
I think he's assuming a similar skill set among players - so, can Secret Hitler identify one team which is slightly better than another team? no. But, can Secret Hitler identify one team which is hugely better than another team? yes, of course, a skilled team is always going to beat noobs.
I do agree that Avalon is very deterministic - if you remember all the votes and cards, you can identify everyone.
It largely comes down to acting. Especially in convincing noobs. Balancing making a good, sound case without sounding phoney.
Very cool game. Sadly have never played myself but what I saw from the Co-optional Lounge it's amazing.
the rules/game is simple enough you could recreate it using index cards and some cardboard, if you're really desperate. the only trick is finding friends. Try to do it, it's one of my favorite games to play with friends, with strangers, with experienced gamers, and people who don't play many board games at all. it really is a fantastic game.
Secrethitler.io you can register and play.
Warning though that players there are HIGHLY competitive. Make one wrong move and you might be accused of throwing game.
In regards to the secret role question
If you want a good hidden role game check out town of Salem. I'm sure you can get some good design ideas cool features and ideas.
the roles are neat, and fit in for a game like salem (or werewolf) but i don't think they would add to secret hitler.
im not saying they would it was just an example of another good role game
He said he doesn't like Werewolf.
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9:00 agree on failing first mission, it can be pulled off. take the win when you can. Even if you pass the first mission, others will still think maybe you're a secret baddie, so you have nothing to gain.
This game is so awesome! We play it all the time. And yes, it is much better than werewolf . :D
I'd love if someone better at probability than me could come up with a good reason why 6:11 works so much better than 6:12.
Ryan N it seems to me that having 12 fascist cards created too many circumstances where liberals were forced to draw hands of 3 fascist policies and started suspecting each other incorrectly all the time. By bumping it down to 11 total, that began to happen less often and a better balance was found.
Yeah, the guy's reasoning in the talk was just "I played with 12 and it was bad" and we have no idea if this was extensive playtesting or just a game or two. I feel like there's a real mathematical explanation, and would like to know what it is!
I've got a good guess. With 6:12, then you have 6 full rounds before re-shuffling AND that means all cards are drawn, which makes it way harder for fascists to lie about the card count. With 6:11, that means you can only play 5 rounds before re-shuffling AND two cards aren't drawn, so it leaves some doubt. Were those last two cards really both liberal and everyone had been telling the truth? Or were they both fascist and we've all been horribly lied to? It basically makes it so that you have to find the fascists in other ways besides just keeping track of what cards were claimed by who - which is more fun, IMO.
Good thinking. I wonder if that card-counting thing occurred in their playtests.
Maybe there are multiple reasons, too.
Is that Steven Lumpkin at 24:28?
I'm pretty sure it is.
It is exactly how he talks and sounds.
My favorite game of all times
25:33 and Among Us was born.
The guy comparing trump needs more stats in perspicacity
I want to play it but I have no friends
Avalon is still better in term of difficulty, I know somebody will disagree because when I bought this in the past I feel like it definitely better than Avalon, but after a lot of playing people just say they got 3 fails, but I found a way to identify good guys, if they tell you they buried one success and pass you a success and fail to test what team are you in, 80% of the times they are good, because psychological speaking, bad guys feel guilty buried good card, they dun want to get themselves being suspicious
If you say the word hitler your video gets unmonetised. At this rate you'll be paying youtube.
Space Station 13 - Great hidden role PC game which is online and multiplayer (and top down 2D...)
Are you talking about among us?
@@epicfella9085 Among Us is pretty much Space Station 13 made accessible 🙂
@@tomjensen2572 yes i am aware
When u activate ur Hearthstone secret_irl
If only they'd ship to NZ ;p
Mr. Wakefield they do now
Steven Lumpkins asked a question! I recognized his voice!
I was playing this today, and I was hitler. I thought that two of our best players were on my team because they were being very helpful and creating chaos, which led to me winning within 5 minutes. The best bit? Neither of those players were on my team, but had just not believed I would be hitler twice in a row, and the fascists on my team did very little, but we didn’t need to.
I made a 18 part secret hitler strategy guide for new to intermediate players.
@@terreausore2435 th-cam.com/video/DaYxkswPjIc/w-d-xo.html any questions just ask
Very good game
Enjoyed this until that really polarising question about Trump .-.
No not really just don't like it when developers of games I like show such an ideological bias to compare Trump to Hitler (secret Hitler, Secret Trump). Kinda ruins my expectation for providers of a service to remain neutral on most things
Sam Roper at what point are people supposed to stop expressing opinions? As soon as they make or publish a thing? Even if that thing has explicitly political overtones?
also, that is an exceptionally strange expectation
Not really how is it strange? Also if you think the political views of hitler could be held in the public sphere without consequence you are sorely mistaken. I'd prefer it if producers of products didn't try to alienate people by showing a preference for either side of the political spectrum.
Sam Roper i usually agree that non-political should avoid politics (it's just tacky), but comparing trump to hitler is stupid. hitler had principles.
TweEkc, when they have a stage given to them for an unrelated reason to the political discussion.
this game is pretty much a clone of other stuff like Avalon or The Resistance, they talk about it like it was something hard to design, it's stuff that you can do in few hours in a jam, and still loose as there's nothing original about it
The most important part was that he hangs out at the Cards Against Humanity office.
Marketing is more important than the product sometimes, this is one of the cases.
this definitely is, because the product is a rip-off
Eh, its not a rip off. We took many of the mechanics and made some changes to make what we thought was a more fun game. Don Eskridge has played it with us and is fine with it, so I feel pretty good about it.
Come on Michael don't take these comments seriously, we're just shooting the shit.
Just because something's derivative doesn't mean that it lacks merit, or doesn't stand on it's own. Cards Against Humanity is derivative of Apples to Apples, but both games give completely different experiences when you play them.
It's easy to steal ideas, but really difficult to steal them in a way that captures, transforms, or improves upon the magic of the original.
Like, there's the GDC lecture The Importance of Nothing where Jim Brown talks about how successful the original Unreal Tournament multiplayer map Facing Worlds was, but then details how every attempt to recreate the map in sequels always ended up sucking and lacking what was fun about the original map - and they were the ones who had the idea in the first place.
It takes creativity and vision to look at an already established game, pick out what works and what can be tweak and improved and reframed into a better game.
Even aesthetic changes are important; the stakes of getting into a bureaucratic fight against Hitler is much more higher than some abstract fantasy or sci-fi world.
I love this game and Werewolf. I built on the foundations of these games to create my own game called Bamberg: a Witch Hunt, based on the witch trials of 17th century Europe.
Check my last uploaded video to see me and friends playing.
I'll launch on Kickstarter soon. Follow on Instagram to get updates: Instagram: instagram.com/play_bamberg/?hl=en
Cheers and lies
Do you have any other socials? I'm interested in your concept, but I kind of despise instagram :)