IS CAPOEIRA AN EFFECTIVE MARTIAL ART: Reaction to Ramsey Dewey on Capoeira in MMA
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Ramsey Dewey is a coach and MMA trainer who did a couple videos on Capoeira. The discussion he started, inspired me to make this video talking about the viability of Capoeira in MMA. The question I'll try to answer is int video is, "Is capoeira an effective form of martial art". There have been several traditional martial arts that have broken into the world of mixed martial arts and here is a talk about how Capoeira might able to do that.
I did capoeira for a very long time. I rarely saw a kick land in the roda (since you're not really trying to hurt the other person), but when kicks landed, we always called an ambulance, because DAYUM, those kicks were simply brutal and often led to a KO.
I started with capoeira when I was 8 and then I continued with MMA when I was 14. I think that capoeira helps a lot in grappling. Better saying: to enter the grappling. Capoeira can help you to close the distance if you know how to continue. Nowadays I nearly don’t use kicks but I use a lot of capoeira. Even when I’m boxing because you use any angles possible. This mindset of capoeira is very useful. “Be creative and try to provoke your opponent in a funny/friendly way but stay humble. Always smiling to show your confidence.”
I think that Capoeira can become a legitimate martial arts if they practice sparring and learn boxing. This would be a great combination. It is for me.
Malandragem : the art of hiding your real intent. That say in a ring everyone know what your real intent is 🤭🤭🤭
Capoeira + wing chun snake style or white lotus or tiger claw style is deadly.
Whoa brother!!! Early capoeira is VERY GRAPPLING HEAVY. Capoeira like most old martial arts is a mixed martial art in itself. There’s hand strikes, wrestling/grappling etc in capoeira. In my opinion capoeira is actually more a wrestling art than striking art if you understand positioning.
Hey Bro, wondering where you are basing your claims. A lot in the art does suggests that. La Dja from Martinique for exemple does involve grappling. Anyways, wondering if you have any book suggestions, documentary or any source that I could check . Thank you!
@dontae hamlet I agree th-cam.com/video/v6FTn8FVAEk/w-d-xo.html
Who is your MESTRE I would like to know where you got your clams brother?
It’s good for wrestling but the striking is hardcore too. Mei lua knocks people out. The elbows,knees head butts, and clinch are all hardcore to get hit by. Galopunche the open hand palm strikes are hardcore too. I have a dislocated finger from when I tried to block a kick instead of moving and my brother was who did the move. The striking is definitely hardcore. It depends on how it’s being delivered. The speed and force of the attack
Lol. I’ve been training and studying capoeira for about 14 years mainly under a Bahian Mestre but I don’t need anyone to verify what I know about combat science and I understand what postures and positions do in actual tactical combat. And that’s the problem, the fact you wanted to know my lineage to verify my claims speaks to the dogma of capoeira and other martial arts. Ppl out here practicing wrestling postures and flows think they’re just “flowing” or dancing or whatever they think lol. But if you know fighting you know 🤷🏽♂️
first saw capoeira and was fascinated just simply by the beauty of the round kicks and the fact that it’s Afro-Brazilian and dived into it. Fast forward twenty years later today, i have learned and understood that Capoeira is really not even about any of the moves. It’s lethality is discovered when u learn how disadvantaged Brazilians survive out in the streets and daily life.
capoeira rarely works in a fight
This comment by max should be deleted since it’s inaccurate
Great video! Thank you for this discussion, definitely would love to see more of capoeira used in mma
Glad you enjoyed. And yea it would be cool to see Capoeira applies more to MMA
When I was taking BJJ I was taught the cartwheel guard pass as the "capoeira guard pass."
I’ve seen Jon Jones through quexaida in a few of his fights. I love it in a real fight because it’s easy to set it up and trick your opponent. The footwork is built into the kick itself where you step to a side angle of your opponent and if you’re either stepping around him or sitting up for a spinning back lick, but then you double back to to attract the front with the lead leg to the head. There’s a similar kick like this in king fu but the capo version has the footwork.
I love this i started using capoiera in bjj tournaments.. still in development...
i guess if your offereing up your leg ill take it. Moronic
@@botnet5651 your basic grappling stance has a lead leg.
Valeu irmão! You've earned a subscription. But I would give a little pushback on the grappling part, it depends a lot on the school and your teacher. Bimba had the cintura de desprezada and moves like the tesouras, rasteira de frente/costa are in between striking and wrestling.I am sure and argument could be made that early capoeira had much more wrestling incorporated in it and it faded out as the sport became more "spectacular-focused". Loved your video
The first fighter to use primarily this at a consistent championship level will be very exciting to watch. I hope this happens soon.
It has useful things that can and are applicable to MMA. Ramsay used to train Capoeira.
No he didnt he a sanda guy
Negativa is not a starting point... it’s a way to fall or be taken down or stop a takedown and maneuver once low. Like I said capoeira is a wrestling/grappling art at its base. Queda de rins, the ginga, negativa, au, hand/headstands are all wrestling moves
Not even chapeu de coro or banda de costas da negativa? Those could be starting points imo
I’d agree with you. The question is how or why did u get into the position. U can definitely just go straight into a negative position to set up an attack of any kind but more often in a fight you go low Defensively to avoid some type of offense even if it’s just an advance from your opponent. So even if the negativa is to create distance to set up a strike your takedown it’s still starts as a defensive/positioning movement. But great point.
Sakuraba almost cartwheeled around Renzo Gracie's guard a while ago.
I'll have to look, but i have seen similar ideas in modern grappling competitions. very cool idea
Really good your video!
In my opinion Capoeira is a martial art because you have to train your body and your mind to endure hard games/fights... just like in real life!
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Really? Becuse It works in MMA but doesn't work in fight! Weird, isn't it?!
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No, I literally have never ever done capoeira in my life!! No idea what a Meia Lua de compasso is, neither a queixada, neither I have ever seen a berimbau before!! Roda? Pfff what is that? Mestre??! No idea!! I use the nick name Spider-Man #Senzala coz I found it in a box of cereal!
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Experience??! Nah! No idea, I don't even know what a kick is!!
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You know what you should do? Take you great experience to the Roda in Praça da Republica in São Paulo and with exactly the same words you are saying to me, "that Capoeira doesn't work" and tell guys like Tito, Gugu or SafiFiu, Arthur Fiu or Mesquita... or any of those guys... make a video and share it with the world! 😁
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Dude, I thought you knew about Capoeria??!! 🤣 The Rodas in Praça da Republica all the time have fights!! 🤣🤣🤣
Don't show me your boring videos on instagram... I don't need to see those... I just want to see your videos of you telling those guys in São Paulo that capoeira doesn't work in a fight... then we can talk, Until then, don't waste my time!
First of all, if you’re a capoeirista who also trains BJJ, it’s very natural tu use Aú to pass guard. Obviously a fast and strong Meia Lua can be very damaging, but we also throw kicks like Martelo (roundhouse), ponteira (front kick), and chapa (side kick) very effectively. Other than this, let’s not forget take downs and sweeps like vingativa, banda de costa, tesoura (very effective in BJJ as well), rasteira (single leg sweep like in Muay Thai), arrastao (double leg take down)
I think Capoeira is extremely useful entering into and out of grappling situations, level changes, and grounded scrambles. It would be even more useful if kicks to the head of a downed opponent were allowed. Think about when two fighters scramble off grounded grappling encounter. Instead of needing to get back to standing they would be able to throw powerful kicks from many more positions while disengaging.
Capoeira is like a lot of intense activity in which it is best learn when young or grew up with it. Lots of motion, intense turns, swing and demand on the body.
if you are not young you must be very persistent😓
@@marcossanevescosta3574 and sore 😅
@@marcaaron1890 really!
if you lok at Eddy in Tekken you realize that somehow capoeira its connected to Jiu Jitsu its my opinion
I mean... Traditional capoeira is mostly about grappling, and jiu-jitsu is also a brazillian martial art... So yeah.
The Chapa is very usefull because it works like a counter, it's like using the other's momentum and speed against him, you see it more in Angola because it's a game centered style in wich you try to trick and trap your oponnent in your game.
Ramsey showed you how to expand your knowledge to increse potential
I really liked the video. Thanks for the moves/history. I'm 19 and still haven't taken a martial art. I want to do tournaments one day and I'm interested in Capoeira
a small correction on you're wording: he's a retired professional fighter, meaning this is less his "understanding" and more his "experience" if that makes sense.
also my own thoughts: I always thought of Capoeira as the opposite of Wing Chun; Wing Chun has no windup, which makes it hella fast (I don't think I've ever seen one dodge one of it's moves) but also really weak. Capoeria is almost all windup, which makes attacks slow and easy to dodge if you know what you're doing, but also really powerful if they do hit.
I personally always liked the idea of using a Capoeira kick as a get-up while attacking at the same time, but I have yet to see someone smarter than me suggest it, nor did I figure out how to do it myself.
Nice video :)
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From my perspective capoeira is more good for street fighting than MMA, don't forget that headbutt exists in capoeira as well as Lethwei. There's not headbutt in MMA, unfortunately. And capoeira is a barefist and foot martial art. Like lethwei.
I hope people will keep exploring too.
Great video you did by the way and the explanation about the creation of the luta regional baiana (capoeira regional) are quite accurate. Mestre Bimba wanted to struggle against the foreign martial arts (japanese) who were invading brazil were capoeira was forbidden at that time.
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As a regional capoeirist I totally agree !
That said there are many others technics effective in capoeira but they are similar to all technics you can find in other martial arts (tae kwon do, karate, boxing, muay thai....don't forget elbows and knees are used in capoeira to strike).
At that time were Mestre BImba was struggling to rise up luta regional baiana, the opponents were karate judo jiu jitsu AND vale tudo (the ancestor of MMA)...never ever forget it people 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I think everything depends on the capoeirista some will do better in mma than street fight. I know some guys very good in competitions but in the capoeira fight on the streets they aren’t so good
I don't know how often you do moves like that, but if it's more than seldom, you might consider moving that table. A bone on an edge wouldn't be fun.
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Kkkk ta bem. Es pero que gostou
This show Caparia is far from being useless
I disagree with you max Zhou
🤦♂️Didn't himae san explain to you how a capoeira kick could actually you? I don't have to explain why I disagree with you.
No but I know that capoeira is one of the most dangerous fighting styles in the world and one more thing a capoeira fighter who has more experience in years would use flips to beat his or her opponent? No.
@@maxzhao8331 OK I get but the real reason for why I disagree with you is because im annoyed that capoeira is useless even though it's not that's all I have to say. I don't want to turn this into a argument. I'm just annoyed by what you just said that's all.
@max zhao there are different Capoeira styles, also there is Capoeira show and Capoeira fight. The fight game is not shown outside to the public because Capoeiraistas will scare off some people. I have been head butted, kneed to the face and had my finger dislocated playing Capoeira. In a public group you will see Capoeira show because some Capoeiraistas make money doing Capoeira shows. I trained mma and Capoeira. Capoeira is more dangerous because you have no mouth piece or head gear. It’s all about knowing your body and how to use it for defense. Look up Capoeira topazio they train capo-jitsu. When you get taken to that ground you are then submitted with an arm bar of other jui jitsu technique.
I love MMA because it's exactly that, a MIX of Martial Arts. MMA has limitless combinations and not one style will ever reign superior over a Mixed Martial Artist. So, of course capoeira is useful, all MA styles have something unique to offer. I would argue training Capoeira offers its practitioner superior mobility.
Wouldn’t that second kick to the inside from the clinch be a Martelo invertido and not a queixada?
I think the second kick is also used alot from the clinch in kyokushin?
Capoeira is more than martial art capoeira is life, everbody must to learn capoeira she is life philosophy!
If you fight 10 rounds with Muhammad Ali who keeps dancing around and you keep spinning, you can't last more than 3 rounds. LOL
The more I watch this video the more it confirms my irritation with the average capoeira practitioner and the way capoeira is taught in the average moderns schools. The narrator in this video have little to moderate at best fighting IQ so when he says things like “we don’t do this in capoeira” or “we wouldn’t use this move like this” or “this move probably wouldn’t work in a real fight/MMA”, he’s very misinformed and mainly speaking from the “show” aspects of capoeira more so than the applicable martial science which is the real art. All martial arts have a show version which is stylized to put on a stage and attract new members to the art. But the nuts and bolts of capoeira like most martial arts is applicable self defense. Ad so the biggest problem with capoeira today is that it’s taught as a show art 90% of years time, leaving out such crucial information (fight science) like (as clearly demonstrated by the comments in this video by a practitioner) posture/positioning/range/environment/etc to inform the fighter which weapons are best at various times and why. Capoeira uses sweeps, grappling, locks, pressure points as well But most only see the acro and spin kicks, most of which are setups and feints or grappling maneuvers. We really need to do better as capoeiristas to train old school and balance the flashy with the practical.
When I was learning Capoeira Angola, I started getting irritated with guys who had learned other martial arts beforehand, and downplayed the martial aspects of Capoeira. I can think of three separate occasions where someone tried to use some other techniques in a game, and I put them flat on the ground. I haven’t learned any other martial arts and the only previous experience fighting I had was as a little boy. The songs and sayings of Mestres tell the whole story, and I pity anyone who doubts the power of the art. Some people seem to have a malfunctioning brain that would tell them that a beautiful snake couldn’t be dangerous, or that a new house couldn’t fall.
@@hithere4719would be interested to know the details/moves of those occasions
@@hithere4719 @dontae hamlet Any Capoeira channel/videos that you recommend?
@@maxzhao8331 Anything can work if you know how to apply it.
@@maxzhao8331 Well if all people do is play around they can't fight for real. As long as people cross train there shouldn't be a problem. Most people don't know how to fight.
Thing is I train BJJ in the UK but some of the ex pat Brazilians who I train with also train Capoeria and Lute Livira as well as BJJ, there's sweeps from Capoeira that are already present in BJJ. Is it legit? by itself possibly but since a lot of the Brazilians I know mix it with other Brazilian arts its part of a very legit package.
Nice, keep up the good work 😁
The problem is that capoeira is effective but you get disqualified. The primary strike in Angola is cabecada (headbutt) and 12-6 elbow. Usually the 12 to 6 is used against the head when head butting. And the razor blade is not allowed too.
The reason for the meia lua circular movement was that people used to put razor blade in the shoes so the blade cut through. In the soles
I know nothing of this martial art. You mentioned using it to get in on the legs for a takedown and I immediately thought of Ryan Hall who likes to kick to keep distance and loves grapple.
I remember when I had Capoeira workshop and there was a teacher who also does Luta Livre which is more grappling and he show how those to are interconnect
zacząłem znowu przeglądać filmy z capoeira, gdyż do jakichś treningów chcę wrócić, przy okazji "rechabilitacja" barku prawego... umiem zrobić pompki frontem na jednej ręce, sporty kontaktowe ćwiczyłem... może łatwiej będzie mi zmusić się do ćwiczeń wzmacniających z poprawą mobilności... największy problem, to wszystkie treningi połączone z kardio (choćby muaythai) to tylko z kimś, ale teraz wszędzie mam daleko ;/ ... siłowe to króciutko bez rozgrzewki można zrobić...
Good vidéo
0:44 - you should use a timecode feature for that(like in my comment) - just copy paste number and it become a link
I think capoeira is definitely useful as a martial art, but as my profesòr said: the practise is different from the application.
As in, if I would do a ginga in front of someone who's trying to hurt me I'm probably going to meet the ground very fast, the idea of it, as I've been taught, is more that it shouldn't matter what your stance is, you need to be able to move in both directions.
In 'real life', if someone's coming at you a front kick will probably end the encounter, what happens in the roda especially mostly prepares you from what happens when you go to the ground because very few fights end with both parties standing.
And also, martial art implies there's artistry, a lot of it is also how to hurt someone while looking good.
That said, there's very little hand strikes which is a thing to consider learning.
Sou brasileiro e sim já fiz capoeira porém por alguns meses ,aprendi golpes inimagináveis kk bem potentes porém não uso muito , esses golpes são bons pra quando se vai pra acabar com a luta ou defesa pessoal. Hoje em dia faço sanda e as vezes faço judô
My dad master Arthur Emídio fought against Gracie’s with capoeira and he won some fights. He lost to Carlson Gracie
Capoeira is badass!
We kicked much ass the 120 years in the Americas. However nobody wants to challenge us today. Just ask the Gracie jujitsu!!!!
From my own limited knowledge, and before watching the vid, I’m pretty sure capoeira was invented by regular people to fight off the British right? And that it looks like a dance to trick the British when they were found training. So based on that history, I imagine it has quite a bit more basis in actual combat then martial arts invented by people who live in mountains their entire lives that also are meant to train the spirit. Idk tho
Then when someone hits them while they are doing the load ups in capoeira and they out
Capoeira did originate in Angola.
Capoeira is an indigenous word from Brazil.
@@silva3124 I was referring to the martial art named Capoeira
@@G-MoneyBags The martial art of Africa is called ngolo. In Brazil it was perfected and became capoeira. This capoeira that you see today is already a second phase.
@@silva3124 yes, it was brought over to Brazil by the Mbundu people.
@@G-MoneyBags th-cam.com/video/6INx8s8HXQk/w-d-xo.html
Mestre Cobra Mansa who's done a lot of research on this topic. I might do a video on this if I can find some of the papers or presentations he's done.
Last thing, your history is a bit off lol. Before Mestre Bimba, capoeira was outlawed for many years due to capoeiristas being paid hit men and assassins. Capoeiristas were legit killers who were masters of secrecy much like ninjas and would walk into a place, slot a throat and vanish. Capoeiristas carries razor blades in their mouths and would bring them out in a fight and cut the throat of folk with the blade between their fingers or toes soooooo Bimba actually made it softer which is why it was legalized with him taking it frm a gang fight to a collegiate sport
Dang never heard of that!
Eu sou brasileiro e já pratiquei capoeira. Na minha opinião, ela só efetiva pra quem é muito avançado nela e tem boa forma física. Eu também não acho que ela seja boa pra mma. Se eu fosse lutar mma, seria umas das últimas que eu escolheria.
Poucos golpes nela são efetivos no MMA, por vários motivos. a capoeira não foi feita pra usada numa rinha de galo qué é octogono, pouco espaço pra algo que era feito numa ''capoeira''. A única arte marcial possível para ser praticada no cativeiro debaixo do nariz do seu algoz, o dono de escravos, e quando um escravo fugia ele não tinha tempo pra lutar com os jagunços dos fazendeiros, era uma finta, derrubar e fugir. E também quase imposível hoje em dia ser efetivo com uma única modalidade de arte marcial, é preciso combinar com outras. Um dia vai aparecer um lutador de MMA com um QI de luta alto que combine bem as melhores caracteristicas da capoeira a outras artes marciais.
@@Nachosupersapo Tem de se entender, que cada luta, foi feita pra uma finalidade. Se utilizar ela em um ambiente que não foi feito pra ela, vai perder sua efetividade.
@@CrossverseTM foi isso que eu falei mano
This is my opinion on it What this martial art will work in street fights or the UFC no but would Some of these techniques from this martial art work in the street or the UFC Yes it definitely would
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People seem to forget that capoeira was developed for fighting. It is fighting disguised as dancing
You look like the dude from Veritasium
Short answer: No.
Long Answer: hell no
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BTW. I go from role to donkey guard
From All of discipline martial art, In the real street fight, samurai always the winner
Samurai is not even a martial art
It's a dance by the Brazilian natives to hide the fact that they can beat up the Portuguese colonists
Capoeira é brasileira
lmao never seen au over a negativa? maybe u should learn the bimba sequences for a change xd
If every single movement he uses that he claims is one thing it's actually just Kung Fu or another Asian martial art is Asian martial art kick or punch that he just puts his flavor on it's not capoeira.
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6:53 that was a macaco!
Almost all art has it uses, even the one that has a bad reputation like aikido and taichi.
@@maxzhao8331 well aikido and taichi are a good recreation and hobby, a good way to relax and ofcourse can be used in self defense (of course you must spar and learn from it from a resisting opponent) but you may not need that to such an extent, since the likelihood of a person being in a life threatening situation is so low in this era. It's better if you just take lessons on security of your home and always have a comunication to others, learn how to mitigate a potential fight.
Aikido is a battlefield martial art. The techniques were developed as purely defensive to fend of an opponent while you retrieve your weapon. So in that you’re correct, it’s not a genuine fighting art. As for TaiChi, it’s obviously now taught primarily as a form of meditation. How the excruciatingly slow movement is designed to teach muscle memory and it takes years of training to be an effective martial art. As a beginner, a sensei explained how the basic form translated into a genuine fighter’s defence once it was sped up to fighting speed. Ramsey Dewey does an explanation of this somewhere on his channel.
In writing all that because of the time taken to master, it’s not practical for use in MMA obviously as by the time you’re any good you’re too old to compete.
No capoeira can t be used for self defence, if you get closer to same one does capoeira the capoeira is fuck it.
"Do not be afraid to get close to your opponent. The closer you are, the more you will learn" - Mestre Bimba
and then the capoeirista know "jogo de dentro" and you are screwed because "jogo de dentro" is basically how to use capoeira in short range and in tight spaces
Capoeira: How to be clown...
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catch the spin kick in the crook of your right elbow and use your left elbow to break the leg backwards. alternately, during the handstand kick the elbow in backwards. BREAK IT. Good luck dancing in a fight. Rules dont apply in real street fights to protect the dancer.
If you get hit by a capoeira kick? Would that be real enough for you? Capoeira original name is Engolo, and its roots and origins came from Africa not Brazil, and yes; it's a warrior base art used by many different warrior tribe's in Angola. To call it fake is just straight up ignorant, especially by other so-called martial arts enthusiast that never studied martial arts in their natural life.
No. The capoeira that they use in brazil is not the same as Engolo. The brazilian started using capoeira when they were slaves
No. Capoeira was born in Brazil from african, native brazilians (indigenous) and europeans influences as much as the brazilian culture itself.
@@haga6039 Feel free to research that fact. It would be useless to convince you otherwise. And by the way? Afro-Brazilians influence a lot Brazil culture despite the natives being there first.
Capoeira Angola is not a style within the umbrella term Capoeira. Capoeira Angola is the original form of the art which has its roots in West Africa and in the crossing of the Atlantic. Hence it’s historically accurate.
There is no Capoeira in West Africa.
There is no Capoeira in the senzalas.
@@heliosousa607 , how do you say that? There are many old depictions of Capoeiristas in Senzalas.
You brought up present geographic location to disprove my point. (Even though I never said Capoeira came from West Africa).
You gave me location, I gave you time frame. Now you’re offering art, but they are all different scopes.
Depiction of Capoeira being practiced in senzalas doesn’t mean it came from there, and if it did, it doesn’t means it’s roots are in the senzalas.
But, let’s s get back to your original point; “there is no Capoeira in West Africa” let’s assume- given that you gave no time frame- that you speaking of present day.
If, hypothetically, one could not find Brazilian Jiu-jitsu in Japan, would one be able to deny its Japanese roots?
@@heliosousa607 , ok. If you are saying that Capoeira does not came from West Africa, then you are right. It came from Brazil but with West African roots AFTER it crossed the Atlantics to Brazil. There are a bunch of similar rituals in Caribean Islands but none of those are actually Capoeira.
Even 100% of boxing isnt useful in mma
Yes your right, one muay thai shin kick and your dead, also an untrained man can just grab and wrestle you