the Giovanni stuff... dog I know Pokemon fans can't read, but they can't do math either? lmao. I'm just playing but yeah, the card really does need some errata or something because you're right, 0+10 is 10. There's no multiplier involved in the card as written. Obviously it doesn't actually work that way, but the text on the card should reflect how it actually works. Like, it probably doesn't add 10 damage to Caterpie's Find a Friend or Vulpix's Tail Wag either. It should be like, "... if attacks used by your Pokemon do damage, they do +10 damage..." or something
@@NoPodcastsHereleague of legends heavily disagrees. There are a lot of 0 damage things in league that are coded to “deal damage” to proc some item effects. But yeah sorry I don’t mean to be some negative comment. Just wanted to have my “um actually” moment. They need to reword the card if it’s intended to work this way
@@MiloThatch420 Most of the on hit and on attack proccing on dodges/misses, etc... in league were intentionally added long into the lifecycle of the game to prevent feelsbad moments because it originally didn't proc. Ultimately it comes down to game rules. It simply isn't possible to put all of a card's full game rules on a card, and most players hate reading more than a sentence or two. So as much as some people want to hold true to a "reading the card should explain the card" mentality, ultimately this just isnt feasible and I think pokepocket has been pretty good about making things clear and intuitive. The fact that the worst case scenario that youre upset about is simply learning a new interaction for the first time makes your case significantly less compelling. Yes its a feelsbad moment but thats part of learning a new game, you don't learn by reading and studying the comprehensive rules book, you just play until a weird interaction comes up and you go "huh, I wouldn't have done it that way" and from then on you know of a niche interaction that not all new players will intuit.
I was the arcanine player who lost against him in top8.... we play 7 games total(bo5 + swiss) he put machamp on turn 3 on 6 of them.... bro was in a high
I played against a player that used a hand scope and red card on me and won the match a week or two ago. People are doing all sorts of stuff and not saying anything until a tournament cause they don't want anyone else to know yet .
I did this for a bit w mew two ex. I liked red card but only as a one-of so I replaced the second one w hand scope to make it even stronger against stage 2 decks and potentially useful against the decks not running stage 2s. I've since swapped out both cards for the fossil tech which feels better but will swap out my potions if I'm seeing more stage 2 decks.
I’m a competitive Pokemon TCG player and I competed in various tournaments (Locals, State, Regionals, Nationals, Internationals) and since Pocket released I been playing it more instead of TCGL because it’s simple and more fun in my opinion.
@@IvanLam-ni4ru you can Pokédex and scan and then poke ball to reshuffle. If you add a research it’s even better. If you have all three you combo then draw if not then you research to look for the combo. You can even search and really like the first or second card and then ball research after. Just takes some IQ. Also you don’t take 2 you just take one as a tech. You don’t want 2.
i just mopped the floor with a pika basic ex deck using a version of this dcek. The pika player had the one with electrode and zapdos EX, and the dude also had to inmersive pikas, and he had a perfect start, bench full turn 1 with the 2 pikas. I ran it with Nidoking cuz i don't have 2 machamp lines, only 1, and tauros, cuz i don't have kangaskhan. And man i was so sweet, in the end, he had one pika with 10 hp and his zapdos with 30 could only do 20 to my 30, he used a giovani when i had 40, but i healed up to 30 with a potion. I also had my other nidoking ready and charging in the back and tauros with full 100. Also a dragonite weezing match came down to the LAST turn, i had 150 nidoking and 10 HP tauros, he had 110 Dnite and 2 koffings in the back (having used his kogas), if he only hit me with a 100 at nido, my next card was sabrina, guaranteed win since i had 2 points. I always run pokedex when i have a extra slot, after this i'll do it even more.
@joshs7160 i had the energy lead, and got my nidoran and nidoking right at the beginning, when he finally could attack, cuz i disrupted him with sabrinas and he didn't have x speeds, my nidoking was on deck, of he killed me, he died of the poison, and i was charging my other nidoking line. But yes, at some point he sacrificed a basic mon to not get damage on the pika, the should've just done that and charged the other pika, but even then, i was still charging my other guy, still had some giovannis to threatened his pika again in one turn
The pokedex + poke ball synergy is like Brainstorm + a fetch land in Magic the Gathering. Getting the ability to see more cards and then shuffle them away is a tried and true strategy in a lot of games.
Machamp is really good IMO, I play x2 cubone x2 marowak (none EX) and machop, machoke, machamp EX (x2) and legit win most of my games. It only struggles against Mewtwo deck, but if you draw nicely Marowak will just cleave the Mewtwo down before it gets online. Sure if they curve out the Gard you'll lose but this goes with any deck. Against Weezing, pikachu and any normal types you're super effective so it stomps.
this deck is surprisingly very consistent lmao. mewtwo ex match up takes a bit to pilot around but this is definitely the best machamp ex deck so far 😂
Wasnt a believer in pokedex at first but man having a fifth of your deck almost always already dedicated to 2 pokeballs and 2 professors research.. it kinda cooks. Ive been testing it out today and have been very pleasantly surprised. In a game with such exaggerated variance, it only takes a small dose to improve consistency significantly.
For Giovanni is actually coherent. If you fail the coin-flips there is no damage so ofc it doesn’t work. Kanga’s attack resolves only if there is a head so yeah Giovanni is worded correctly.
But the animation is inconsistent with other attacks with a chance to do nothing. If Seaking doesnt hit heads on its attack, it shakes in place and doesnt display any damage number. I know they are worded sligtly different on thr card, but are functionally identical scenarios
As a magic player who’s played enough legacy to be very used to brainstorming and then fetching away the top, I’m ashamed I didn’t think of this interaction/use of Pokédex sooner
Im wondering, can alakazam line work as well? In my mind its kinda possible but at the same time isnt. The fact that he can only attack starting on turn 4 is a big stretch
I was just making a video on almost the same deck😂 i went on youtube to see if anyone else tried this and only difference is you have a kangaskhan and i dont 😢 is it actually better cause im 10 wins in rn with my way but i feel the 2nd pokeball is useless if i draw both
It improves stage 2 decks rather than machamp by itself. That person probably used machamp because they consider it the best ex against pika or they love machamp.
Ok dragonite sucks but gengar seems actually pretty good. Also using x1 non ex gengar actually gives nice damage early while having basically the same synergy with red card as gengar ex
reddit was getting uppity yesterday about how there's only one specific order to use pokeball and oak. And of course dex was ruled out entirely because "lol ur drawing cards anyway" or something like that.
@@PseudoDakyou use pokeball first in any scenario. If you use oak first, there is a chance you draw a basic pokemon. In that case pokeball and oak lose value. The idea is to reduce your deck as much as possible in order to draw the cards you need.
@@diegomartel4279I think it’s a little different depending on the deck you play. If you’re Pika you want MORE basic Pokémon so you’d play oak first in hopes of drawing a basic and then guarantee a second basic with the pokeball. But if you don’t need more basic Pokémon too much then use the pokeball to pull the one out of your deck and the next two with oak have a less chance of being the one you pokeballled.
The logic of Kang not doing at least 10 isn't within Gio's text, it's within Kang's text. It states that it does 30 damage for each heads. It doesn't say that it does 0 damage for each tails. Simply nothing happens for each tails. That's why it's a 30x attack, not a 30+ attack. 30x implies that you get one instance of an attack per heads. If you flip only tails, there are no attack instances, therefore there is no damage for Gio to buff. For a 30+ attack, it implies there is a single instance that always occurs. In this case, I think Gio would buff it.
I don't agree with this reasoning. Flipping tails means that the attack should 30 x 0 damage which is zero but there's still an attack. As proof, Kan still does an attack animation and you can even see the opponent's health turn red (it doesn't drop). So imo Kan should do 30 x 0 + 10 = 10
@@OGjdog I would put that up to it simply being coded that an attack that results in direct damage listed on the card will cause that animation to play. I do agree with others that the card should be errataed for clarity and state that only damaging attacks do +10. Like Find a Friend wouldn't do +10 for no reason. Or, a multiplier attack should say "MISS" instead of 0 if it fails the damage check
Pokédex is at 2 in this deck? I wouldn’t even put in, waste of 2 cards. Slows the deck down. Hopefully the mini booster in December or the new booster box end of January will give us better cards
The value u get from knowing what you can get and how to play around your energy is also a good up side. There is a reason this is a top 3 deck. I wouldn’t say it isn’t worth
@@unforgiven3035it’s kinda an upside if you need it I guess……but the deck is to slow, you need other cards in that slot. This guy conceded his first match. And just cuz the deck got top 3 in one tournament dosnt mean a thing. Everyone knows that, that plays tcg’s.
@ i just started getting into tcg just because of this game. But as an avid gamer doesn’t tournament results usually mean something? Like in things like FGC or MOBA if someone is using some champion or character that isn’t popular or meta but wins it big in a tourney it would change the way people perceive said character or team comp.
@@unforgiven3035 The difference is that there isn't much explicit randomness in a MOBA and especially not a fighting game. This is a card game with a lot of RNG, so the results of one tournament don't mean much. We'd need to see consistent results across many tournaments to be able to say it's good, rather than the player got lucky, or the opponent got unlucky.
@@RoaringTide right i completely forgot about the coin flipping and the card draws that bring variances into play. Maybe if the same deck appears across multiple top 3s over a spam of time then itll be more legit
Giovanni seems really weird to me. You should've gotten +10. When Articuno hits the bench for 10, it should be 20. When I use Melmetal and Articuno hits it on the bench, it takes 0 damage. So ALL attacks of all varieties need to be correctly modified by Giovanni.
it's happening guys, content creators are officially out of ideas... and there is still 1 month until the next mini pack?, sheesh. poor guys, this will be rough. well, looking forward for that BROKEN AMAZING TIER 0 ACTUALLY GOOD RHYDON DECK PROFILE next week.
Just because there's actually people out here trying to use other stuff than sweaty Pikachu or Mewtwo doesn't mean he's out of ideas. I for one pulled the rainbow border Machamp tonight, looked at this and have gone 12-3 in 15 matches. It's got a very linear approach to a stage 2 deck but suffers with the same stage 2 deck issues, finding the other two parts.
the Giovanni stuff... dog I know Pokemon fans can't read, but they can't do math either? lmao. I'm just playing but yeah, the card really does need some errata or something because you're right, 0+10 is 10. There's no multiplier involved in the card as written. Obviously it doesn't actually work that way, but the text on the card should reflect how it actually works. Like, it probably doesn't add 10 damage to Caterpie's Find a Friend or Vulpix's Tail Wag either. It should be like, "... if attacks used by your Pokemon do damage, they do +10 damage..." or something
Most games consider dealing 0 damage to not trigger damage dealing effects, even if we generally consider 0 to be a logical amount.
But text should be consistent
@@NoPodcastsHereleague of legends heavily disagrees.
There are a lot of 0 damage things in league that are coded to “deal damage” to proc some item effects.
But yeah sorry I don’t mean to be some negative comment.
Just wanted to have my “um actually” moment.
They need to reword the card if it’s intended to work this way
@@MiloThatch420 Most of the on hit and on attack proccing on dodges/misses, etc... in league were intentionally added long into the lifecycle of the game to prevent feelsbad moments because it originally didn't proc. Ultimately it comes down to game rules. It simply isn't possible to put all of a card's full game rules on a card, and most players hate reading more than a sentence or two. So as much as some people want to hold true to a "reading the card should explain the card" mentality, ultimately this just isnt feasible and I think pokepocket has been pretty good about making things clear and intuitive. The fact that the worst case scenario that youre upset about is simply learning a new interaction for the first time makes your case significantly less compelling. Yes its a feelsbad moment but thats part of learning a new game, you don't learn by reading and studying the comprehensive rules book, you just play until a weird interaction comes up and you go "huh, I wouldn't have done it that way" and from then on you know of a niche interaction that not all new players will intuit.
Worst is missing 4 jolteon or zapdos with giovanni and dealing zero:(
I was the arcanine player who lost against him in top8.... we play 7 games total(bo5 + swiss) he put machamp on turn 3 on 6 of them.... bro was in a high
Muito massa ver os BR indo bem nos torneios, boa sorte nos próximos 👍
@pedro_gake valeu manin
I played against a player that used a hand scope and red card on me and won the match a week or two ago. People are doing all sorts of stuff and not saying anything until a tournament cause they don't want anyone else to know yet .
In doing the same, i have a lockdown deck and doesnt matter if its meta or not. Still 75% win chance, the lost is because bad draw
@@Carlos.RiveraIs it Psyduck and Gengat combo? Maybe mixed with Hypno?
I did this for a bit w mew two ex. I liked red card but only as a one-of so I replaced the second one w hand scope to make it even stronger against stage 2 decks and potentially useful against the decks not running stage 2s. I've since swapped out both cards for the fossil tech which feels better but will swap out my potions if I'm seeing more stage 2 decks.
I’m a competitive Pokemon TCG player and I competed in various tournaments (Locals, State, Regionals, Nationals, Internationals) and since Pocket released I been playing it more instead of TCGL because it’s simple and more fun in my opinion.
Pokedex is just ineffective in fact. 2 card slots are wasted without bringing any considerate advantage.
Your opponent can give you a red card anyway.
You would have to have a much better combo setup than pretty much anything (currently) in the game to make it worthwhile.
Sure but its the best card to help u find your stage 2s at the moment
@@IvanLam-ni4ru you can Pokédex and scan and then poke ball to reshuffle. If you add a research it’s even better. If you have all three you combo then draw if not then you research to look for the combo. You can even search and really like the first or second card and then ball research after. Just takes some IQ. Also you don’t take 2 you just take one as a tech. You don’t want 2.
@@Xatumi do you want a crazy nido queen & king deck list? Can try off stream. Might even be my first yt video soon
@@jitterzyt6939what’s the deck
i just mopped the floor with a pika basic ex deck using a version of this dcek. The pika player had the one with electrode and zapdos EX, and the dude also had to inmersive pikas, and he had a perfect start, bench full turn 1 with the 2 pikas. I ran it with Nidoking cuz i don't have 2 machamp lines, only 1, and tauros, cuz i don't have kangaskhan. And man i was so sweet, in the end, he had one pika with 10 hp and his zapdos with 30 could only do 20 to my 30, he used a giovani when i had 40, but i healed up to 30 with a potion. I also had my other nidoking ready and charging in the back and tauros with full 100.
Also a dragonite weezing match came down to the LAST turn, i had 150 nidoking and 10 HP tauros, he had 110 Dnite and 2 koffings in the back (having used his kogas), if he only hit me with a 100 at nido, my next card was sabrina, guaranteed win since i had 2 points. I always run pokedex when i have a extra slot, after this i'll do it even more.
That dude definitely misplayed.
@joshs7160 i had the energy lead, and got my nidoran and nidoking right at the beginning, when he finally could attack, cuz i disrupted him with sabrinas and he didn't have x speeds, my nidoking was on deck, of he killed me, he died of the poison, and i was charging my other nidoking line.
But yes, at some point he sacrificed a basic mon to not get damage on the pika, the should've just done that and charged the other pika, but even then, i was still charging my other guy, still had some giovannis to threatened his pika again in one turn
I love seeing this creativity honestly. To optimize probability like that is a cool tech.
That's what makes it fun!
just got my second machamp ex today and you upload this just on time
Love to see a new off-meta cook
My newest off-meta cook with a 70% winrate is a Brock-Onix-Kabutops Deck 💪
The pokedex + poke ball synergy is like Brainstorm + a fetch land in Magic the Gathering. Getting the ability to see more cards and then shuffle them away is a tried and true strategy in a lot of games.
Machamp is really good IMO, I play x2 cubone x2 marowak (none EX) and machop, machoke, machamp EX (x2) and legit win most of my games. It only struggles against Mewtwo deck, but if you draw nicely Marowak will just cleave the Mewtwo down before it gets online. Sure if they curve out the Gard you'll lose but this goes with any deck.
Against Weezing, pikachu and any normal types you're super effective so it stomps.
I love using Pokédex before a pokeball to see if shuffling is better
this deck is surprisingly very consistent lmao. mewtwo ex match up takes a bit to pilot around but this is definitely the best machamp ex deck so far 😂
Wasnt a believer in pokedex at first but man having a fifth of your deck almost always already dedicated to 2 pokeballs and 2 professors research.. it kinda cooks. Ive been testing it out today and have been very pleasantly surprised. In a game with such exaggerated variance, it only takes a small dose to improve consistency significantly.
Yeah, consistency is key, especially in a game with as much variance as this one!
Cool tip with Pokédex! Thanks!
What website is that with the decks?
Limitless.
(Sorry for breaking up this sentence, comments filters are weird.)
Tcg.
Blastoise is a killer with this strat
Tried this with gengar and it is SO consistent getting to gengar within the first couple turns
I like using porygon on the bench for his active every turn. It’s like a baby Pokédex.
I think this would work well with blastoise. Sadly it's a water deck and misty rng is not really something you want to bring in a competition
Crazy cool tech, love to see it. Pokedex tech will only get better if we ever get great/ultra ball for more fetch + shuffle
@4:40 how did you swap your machamp and machop?
his opponent used sabrina
Really love your content always!
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoy it!
Currently testing this with gengar ex and a meowth and loving it
that guy running that fighting must have such luck to avoid all the mewtwo decks, and only meet the pikachus
i dig it. guess its the best tech card for stage 2 evo decks atm.
It’s the best way to get them out there right now!
For Giovanni is actually coherent. If you fail the coin-flips there is no damage so ofc it doesn’t work. Kanga’s attack resolves only if there is a head so yeah Giovanni is worded correctly.
I guess
But the animation is inconsistent with other attacks with a chance to do nothing. If Seaking doesnt hit heads on its attack, it shakes in place and doesnt display any damage number. I know they are worded sligtly different on thr card, but are functionally identical scenarios
As a magic player who’s played enough legacy to be very used to brainstorming and then fetching away the top, I’m ashamed I didn’t think of this interaction/use of Pokédex sooner
Im wondering, can alakazam line work as well? In my mind its kinda possible but at the same time isnt. The fact that he can only attack starting on turn 4 is a big stretch
Is charizard ex bad for tournament?
Hey man i love your videos ! You should try de dragonite eeveelutions deck with jokteon and vaporeon and 1 misty ;) it’s brutal !!
Thanks for the idea!
I use 2 machamp ex and 2 kabutops and am trying to get 2 marowak ex for the ultimate fighting type deck
I was just making a video on almost the same deck😂 i went on youtube to see if anyone else tried this and only difference is you have a kangaskhan and i dont 😢 is it actually better cause im 10 wins in rn with my way but i feel the 2nd pokeball is useless if i draw both
Hi great video, always nice to see new decks, Im getting a little tired of yellow rat already haha. What is the site at the start of the video?
limitless tcg
@@Xatumi thanks man!
It improves stage 2 decks rather than machamp by itself. That person probably used machamp because they consider it the best ex against pika or they love machamp.
Ive been doing this since launch with the Articuno cheese deck. Great tech, good to see it catch on
Yeah man, some stuff is just good.
Someone know what is the website at the start of the video ?
If Giovanni worked how you want it to work then Moltres could Inferno Dance for 10 damage with Giovanni and do you want to live in that world?
yes
Imma bout to try this with my boy dragonite
Ok dragonite sucks but gengar seems actually pretty good. Also using x1 non ex gengar actually gives nice damage early while having basically the same synergy with red card as gengar ex
reddit was getting uppity yesterday about how there's only one specific order to use pokeball and oak. And of course dex was ruled out entirely because "lol ur drawing cards anyway" or something like that.
Dex is useless lol especially in this deck
What order should you use them in?
@@PseudoDakyou use pokeball first in any scenario. If you use oak first, there is a chance you draw a basic pokemon. In that case pokeball and oak lose value. The idea is to reduce your deck as much as possible in order to draw the cards you need.
@ That’s exactly my thoughts. Thanks :)
@@diegomartel4279I think it’s a little different depending on the deck you play. If you’re Pika you want MORE basic Pokémon so you’d play oak first in hopes of drawing a basic and then guarantee a second basic with the pokeball. But if you don’t need more basic Pokémon too much then use the pokeball to pull the one out of your deck and the next two with oak have a less chance of being the one you pokeballled.
Real math ❌ Pokémath ✅
nah, i still not use my 2 slots from my deck for this trash item card. if only pokedex let u rearrange the draw order, this would be good item card
The logic of Kang not doing at least 10 isn't within Gio's text, it's within Kang's text. It states that it does 30 damage for each heads. It doesn't say that it does 0 damage for each tails. Simply nothing happens for each tails. That's why it's a 30x attack, not a 30+ attack. 30x implies that you get one instance of an attack per heads. If you flip only tails, there are no attack instances, therefore there is no damage for Gio to buff.
For a 30+ attack, it implies there is a single instance that always occurs. In this case, I think Gio would buff it.
I don't agree with this reasoning. Flipping tails means that the attack should 30 x 0 damage which is zero but there's still an attack. As proof, Kan still does an attack animation and you can even see the opponent's health turn red (it doesn't drop). So imo Kan should do 30 x 0 + 10 = 10
@@OGjdog I would put that up to it simply being coded that an attack that results in direct damage listed on the card will cause that animation to play.
I do agree with others that the card should be errataed for clarity and state that only damaging attacks do +10. Like Find a Friend wouldn't do +10 for no reason.
Or, a multiplier attack should say "MISS" instead of 0 if it fails the damage check
good list :)
Been doing this from the start😅
Pokédex is at 2 in this deck? I wouldn’t even put in, waste of 2 cards. Slows the deck down. Hopefully the mini booster in December or the new booster box end of January will give us better cards
It's all about how you build the deck!
It’s too bad everyone is going to know how good Pokédex is I was having so much fun 🤣
This is cool tech, but it's not worth 2 cards to try and set up shuffling your deck, which you can only do with 2 other cards.
The value u get from knowing what you can get and how to play around your energy is also a good up side. There is a reason this is a top 3 deck. I wouldn’t say it isn’t worth
@@unforgiven3035it’s kinda an upside if you need it I guess……but the deck is to slow, you need other cards in that slot. This guy conceded his first match.
And just cuz the deck got top 3 in one tournament dosnt mean a thing. Everyone knows that, that plays tcg’s.
@ i just started getting into tcg just because of this game. But as an avid gamer doesn’t tournament results usually mean something? Like in things like FGC or MOBA if someone is using some champion or character that isn’t popular or meta but wins it big in a tourney it would change the way people perceive said character or team comp.
@@unforgiven3035 The difference is that there isn't much explicit randomness in a MOBA and especially not a fighting game. This is a card game with a lot of RNG, so the results of one tournament don't mean much. We'd need to see consistent results across many tournaments to be able to say it's good, rather than the player got lucky, or the opponent got unlucky.
@@RoaringTide right i completely forgot about the coin flipping and the card draws that bring variances into play. Maybe if the same deck appears across multiple top 3s over a spam of time then itll be more legit
Giovanni seems really weird to me. You should've gotten +10. When Articuno hits the bench for 10, it should be 20. When I use Melmetal and Articuno hits it on the bench, it takes 0 damage. So ALL attacks of all varieties need to be correctly modified by Giovanni.
Generally I agree that it should be intuitive, but Gio does say Active pokemon so it wouldn't increase damage to the bench.
Wrong, you didn’t read the card. Gio applies to active Pokémon.
Hitmonlee Giovanni +0 😢
Machamp is like mid game deck, you cant win early deck like pikachu, stamine and you also weak to late deck like dragonite, blastiose
Mtg ponder would be better
Thanks for trying bad decks for us so that we don't have to 😂
Says about a deck that got top 3 in a huge tournament lolol ok
@Xatumi I saw it played by different streamers today and no one is going to win with it, I think it was just luck for the guy at the tournament 😩
To be honest not a great deck, love machamp... but i will play it with golbat.
KHAN
seems loose.
it's happening guys, content creators are officially out of ideas... and there is still 1 month until the next mini pack?, sheesh. poor guys, this will be rough. well, looking forward for that BROKEN AMAZING TIER 0 ACTUALLY GOOD RHYDON DECK PROFILE next week.
You’re just salty you’re not making these videos lol
Just because there's actually people out here trying to use other stuff than sweaty Pikachu or Mewtwo doesn't mean he's out of ideas. I for one pulled the rainbow border Machamp tonight, looked at this and have gone 12-3 in 15 matches. It's got a very linear approach to a stage 2 deck but suffers with the same stage 2 deck issues, finding the other two parts.
@@Baldurs9891 i was being facetious but you cannot deny that hyping shuffling the deck is pretty funny.
0+10=10
Horrible deck tf
Says you. Someone who didn’t place third in a massive tournament lol 👌🏽