Twin Locked Hilux & Rear Locked Ford Ranger | MOMENTUM VS CRAWL | Hill Climb challenge
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- Ford Ranger and Toyota Hilux Hill Climb @ Flats Track Walhalla - 24/12/17
In this video we take on the Rock Step section at the top of Flats Track near OToole's Campground.
The Ford Ranger is running 33" Muddies and factory rear Diff.
The Toyota Hilux is running 32" ATs and Front & Rear Lockers
Being the first to attempt i decide to approach it slowly and crawl up resulting in more wheel spin, while the Hilux driver (Ben) with the advantage of Twin Lockers decides to hit it with a bit more momentum. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Rear locker is all 99% of us will ever need.
Lockers make all the difference
Those lower tyre pressures on the second run made all the difference
Front n rear lockers makes it easier, I noticed second truck has less air on tires than first truck , that helps even more nice vid 👍🏻
Your making me get a ranger raptor and still keeping my d4d 3.0 G
Awesome driving
Very impressive Michael, even with only a back locker the Ranger made it up a monster of a hill!!
Cheers Chris, doesn’t look to steep in the video but the Hilux driver needed a lot of encouraging to attempt it and me to go first 😂. He flew up so quick I had to jump out of his way
I can't imagine this being easy at all. I drive a prado and get nervous when going up/down a steep hill, etc.
I'm no off roader though...but would love to try it sometime.
HiLux Driver = “Hold my beer”
He had a front locker and the ranger didn’t, don’t act like it destroyed it.
Yeah the Hilux
@@Luca-xh2fq that hilux is twin locked actually.
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Lock 4 and lock 2
I love it! I live in CA and have a Tacoma, but it is my dream to come to AU and wheel.
Great stuff boys cant wait to head down and hit the tracks together some day.
Let us know when you plan on coming down. Would love to hit the tracks
For such a short vid that was AWESOME
Good looking trucks guys. Great video nice and concise
gotta love the front traction control on the ranger
Damn that front locker made all the difference.
Love that Ranger - nice setup! Probably my #2 choice after a Jeep Rubicon.
A jeep. Damn, people like youa ctually exist ey
@@caserasera4776 he's not the only one in this thread I too want a Wrangler and Ford Ranger
WOW i want lockers now!!! but geez most of the tracks in Walhalla is steep and rocky i could imagine how slippery would it be during the wet. Awesome vid BTW
Lockers make all the difference with IFS vehicles. The Hilux was open diffs factory and struggled until the owner installed the dual lockers. It’s the same hilux in my very first video that needed to winch. Now it’s pretty capable and I have to keep up with him 😂
@@michaeltoomer4090 I have a Ranger with a similar set up to yours. I run 600kg OME suspension and find I don't get much flex although I haven't used it yet with anything like that load yet, what set up have you got? I'm against adding a front locker as I think its one of those mods that is expensive to add and creates reliability problems which are definitely expensive. I've heard enough driveshafts go "ping" and if they go in the wrong geographical location and you've no support you can be properly buggered.
Gordon Bowen I have nothing out of the ordinary. Just Ironman foam cell pro 2" lift with 0-300kg springs and extended shackles which have been added since this video. The extended shackles help with flex. I imagine your heavy duty springs would flex less than if they were a softer setup. Since this video iv also changed my wheels/tyres and aftermarket UCAs and a diff drop for reliability.
@@caramelypoops if you want a front locker for a Ranger and don't wanna break the bank you could try an auto locker. You can install them yourself with a bit of mechanical know how. Works like a charm much like a limited slip diff on steroids getting a front for my Ranger
Great Video Michael 👍🏻
Amazing Video Michael 👍👍
Specially the Ranger part where you exactly focussed on the spinning wheel and showed how the Traction control initially struggled and eventually overcame the obstacle
Exactly based on the ranger platform , there's a Passenger SUV in india called the Ford Endeavour , its Everest in Australia
My question is , how good is the Fords traction control system?
Bcoz here in endeavour I have seen the Traction control disappoint a lot of times where as the Toyota Fortuner has an Amazing A-trac system
There really is a big difference with a rear diff lock only vs a front & rear lockers. Gotta love arb for that ❤️
Meanwhile, man walks up the hill with just two legs.
And he gets there first.
That's something I have thought about for a long time, most of us could actually kinda out perform expensive 4x4s, the thing with them is shielding us from weather and also carrying way more, but yeah man we could totally outrace them
Locked two legs hehe
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Never thought I say this but that Ranger looks badass.
Moninn Yem same with me and I’m a Hilux fan
Took it ages to get up though
Amo Ford siempre lo amare y este video no me hará cambiar de opinión, quizás sea el conductor con más experiencia, pero muy bien la camioneta blanca 👍 dejó mi like saludos desde argentina
Luv that Toyota from Cape Town South Africa
What kind of gear boxes do this Ranger and this Hilux have, manual or auto?
Great video! Love Walhalla
Thanks Sarah 😄.
Hey mate what offset are you running with those rims?
The Ranger is amazing
Hilux made that look piss easy, well done matey.
Both worked well. Slightly different drive approach for each vehicle and drive according to each vehicle's traits. Both got there, but with different pace and approach.
Another reason why toyota is still the gratest 4x4 manufacture!! (Apart from old mazda proseeds, and mitsi challengers)
I love my 2017 Ranger. But a front lock would have been nice.
The ranger looks like a beast, but two dif locks are incredibles
If you want control and less things broken then get lockers,, it's not a real 4wd unless its has lockers. This is the best demonstration of how good they really are
That’s a thing of beauty
He's got one of the nicest Rangers on TH-cam. To bad the steering wheel is on the wrong side (I live in the U.S.)!!😁 😁
Wow, twin lockers made it look easy
????? This truck came whit crow control or just you use the 4×4 ....
Stupid comments. The suspension systems in these two trucks is the same (IFS front, solid axle with leaf rear), neither of them have much flex. Both with a rear only locker they would be about the same if they both were twin locked they would be about the same. But they are both great trucks and both very capable offroad as long as they have at least one locker and a good driver who runs appropriate tyre pressures.
jbrizz99 thanks for watching and comments. I agree with your comment 100%. Both vehicles are pretty even at the end of the day.
The Hilux being older doesn’t have traction control so he uses his lockers a lot more.
If you read my other reply’s to the other comments you will see me explain further but in a nutshell the Ranger tried the crawl approach and the Hilux did more of the crash and bash. Hope you enjoyed
from my experience hilux can take more punishment than the ranger. It simply is a tougher vehicle. But i don't have time for either of those, I'm a Patrol fan :)
Louis Nel I have a patrol as well but I don't drive it hard enough to find it's limits, although it is nice to know it's a very tough vehicle. With diff lock there is usually no need to thrash it, second low at idle will get it almost anywhere.
I did not mean punishment like high revving and so on, i mean work. Construction work and all that stuff where the bin is always loaded driving on tough terrains all that stuff. My dad has the old 1990ish hilux and that thing is still working today, where you can see these new rangers allready some people broke theirs and so on. Dad does earth moving mech like CAT, BELL and so on, so that hilux has seen it all, from open cast coal mines to mountains and game farms so on. No problems yet. Hilux = beast :) Ofc you get the people that say if you look after your car then it will last longer, yes i get that point but have you guys seen top gear where they try to break the hilux? no ranger will survive that, not even the old ones.
jbrizz99 hilux isn’t the same its actually designed better
Hello, what is the model of your front bumper please?
Ranger did it good. Rear locker and a traction control in the front axle can get the job done. The hilux has twin lockers and climb very effortless...
Both are great trucks
What tires are those on the ranger?
Can you steer the vehicle if you lock the front diff?
Looks like both little trucks do decently off road. When the operators know what their doing with their equipment.
Can you please tell me how do you handle the clutch in such inclines with sudden stoppages. Is the clutch always at biting point ? If not, then at which places should it be at biting point vs not.since in such inclines it can easily stall while losing moment at 1-5 kmper hour.
Just pop it and run...... also seriousness once you start rolling on a steep hill dont touch the clutch it's all about drive and forward momentum, you don't have to pin it just walk up and use the right foot to modulate speed vs traction. Once you loose both then and only then use clutch but the right gear selection is pivotal at the start you don't want to be hunting gears in a manual going up hill. To quick to many rpm you break shit to slow you stall out. Find ballance.
Biggest mistake made is wrong gear selection In first place. Best way to figure out your car is find a steep hill not over the top start out L1 and try it in diffrent gears its not how fast you get to the top but keeping your vehicle in the sweet spot on boost and torque mine is around that 1800 to 2000 rpm each vehicle is different though but biggest thing is know your cars capabilities first.
What’s the front bar on the ranger ?
Whats the rim size and tire size of the ranger?
What kind of lockers on the hilux
apart from lift does your truck have aditional long travel arms installed?
Francisco Guizar Dane since this video I have installed aftermarket UCAs however it has not increased my overall suspension travel due to the strut length not opening enough to take advantage of the extra droop available from the UCAs. Il probably change them in the future but until then I’m happy with arms as there a lot stronger than factory and no one wants an upper ball joint failure.
My only question is...if you can have front and rear lockers in the Hilux why not the Tacoma.
what bar is that on the ranger?
This at big river??
Hilux x Ranger Amazônia Brasil também é punk!
I've noticed no one in the comments mention the HiLux was doing twice the speed so you didn't lose traction
Exactly. The Ranger was crawling up while the Hilux cruised up. Plus he got to see what line to take and how to do it by watching the Ranger go first.
It's because the Hilux has a twin lock not the momentum
The diff locks in both axles makes it easier, no jumps, no shocks underneath, less speed.
I’ve gotten up a greasy Palm Ck in Cape York with no lockers, didn’t need to use the winch, just pure momentum, then parked at the top for half an hour watching others get stuck, needing winching & towing out one after the other. Only one got up without help and it was an old red 90’s Hilux. A guy from my work who was with me owned a Jeep and he broke his uni joint on it while lightly feathering the accelerator with some wheel slip. That Jeep had so many mechanical issues while on the Tele track. Word got around about the Jeep and I had people we met along the way tell me stories about it even though I first hand saw all the problems it had. Lesson = Don’t ever buy a heap of Jeep.
Nicely done. Not sure if it's the same with the 2015 facelift T6, but with the 2011-2015 ranger, when you engage the rear diff-lock, it disables traction control on the front wheels; so locking the rear diff wasn't always the benefit that it seemed. Still the Ranger is a fantastic vehicle. Hoping more manufactures follow the route Nissan took with the NP300 in keeping traction control on for the front wheels when you engage rear diff-lock.
Tom Rodgers in the Mk2 Ranger front traction control remains enabled with rear diff lock on. It’s hard to tell from this video though. Reason is because the traction control system in the ranger allows a lot of wheel spin before kicking in and applying some braking to the spinning wheel sending some torque to the other wheel. Works well enough in most terrain but struggles when rock crawling etc.
Thanks for watching
nice video, do you have more info on what mods you made to your ranger?
Francisco Guizar Dane , my current list of mods since this video are:
2" Ironman foam cell pro
Rear extended shackles (post video)
Rhino front bar/winch/bash plate
PSR underbody protection
Ironman rear bar
Blackhawk UCAs (post video)
PSR diff drop (post video)
Uneek4x4 rock sliders
TJM snorkel
16x8 moto metal wheels (post video)
305/70r16 Toyo MTs (post video)
ARB frontier long range tank
LED headlight upgrade
Plenty of minor mods not worth listing
Hilux...❤️❤️❤️❤️
*Juaaaa....juaaaaa.....COMO TREPA LA HLUX !!!!!!*
Impressive!!!
1 Year & 1 Mil views on, I really hope u got a front locker by now lol 🤪
Why can't we have Detroit lockers front and rear....?????
Good for case study, thank.
Wuttichai Sittichaisunton thanks, glad you enjoyed!
is the ford here in the vid 4x4?
you can see the ranger's more advanced traction control working on the front wheels... with a bit better tyre pressure it would have walked up. rear locker + traction control on IFS utes works best from experience, especially in newer models they just seem to be getting better and better, outweighing traditional 'mechanical grip' from diff locks in most circumstances
Hello guys!!! Can you please help. I would like to put 33" on my Ranger. Do you think it needs re-gearing and if so, do you know a company for the new gearing? Thanks a lot for your help.
Anastasis Giannopoulos it will not need re-gearing and as far as I know nobody makes different gear ratio's.
Thank you Michael!! I appreciate it!!
HiLux took the hill like a Boss
Did Tyre pressure play a part there?
w3b3d1g1 tyre pressure is pretty similar in both vehicles.
Main difference was momentum. The Ranger was first and crawled up to make sure the front bar would clear the first Rock step then tried to climb from a standing position.
The Hilux hit the obstacle at speed and used a lot of momentum to carry it through. An imbetween pace would be ideal for this but when in doubt start slow as it’s not worth damaging the car. Thanks for watching and leaving feedback
Aguante la HILUX 💪💪💪
whats that winch n bumper ....how much did it cost you
mack kaval it's a Rhino evolution bar by Rhino4x4. Cost just shy under 5k which included colour coded bar, painted bash plate, 14000 Lb winch and installation. Light bar installed by me after
Michael Toomer your truck looks mean
What rack are you using to hold the wheel on the tub
Also what brand and size is your light bar
Mason Coppens I'm using a Rhinorack platform
www.rhinorack.com.au/products/roof/roof-trays/pioneer-platforms/pioneer-platform-universal-unassembled-small-1228mm-x-952mm-_42114bf
With Vortex RLT600 roof racks so they can be removed
www.rhinorack.com.au/products/roof/roof-racks/vortex/vortex-rlt600-black-2-bar-roof-rack_ja6218
Rhinorack shovel mount and modified Maxtrax brackets.
I since put the spare tyre back under the car so I can carry my swag on the platform.
Hilux and Ranger are both very capable. I'll take that Ranger though mine has never let me down and that traction control system is just amazing though I'm looking at installing a front auto locker just to help in the really tough stuff as I have to follow people driving Jeep Wranglers and they don't play around 😂😂😂
Wow Hilux was effortless.
Hey mate nice video, that ranger looks great can you please tell me what rear bar that is? Cheers
Thanks mate, Scott Monahan it's a Ironman rear protection bar.
Michael Toomer awesome thank you. How do you find it? Is it an easy swap and can you keep the exsisting looms
Scott Monahan I had it installed but I can't imagine it being to hard. The new ones come with the parking sensors already cut out I believe . Didn't use to be the case. You will need a new a new trailer plug harness though as the ford plug won't fit in the bar.
Is your ranger stock? Besides bar work and suspension
Christopher Robert it’s far from stock in terms of mods and accessories however I have kept the engine and exhaust stock.
At the time of this video it had a sagged 2” lift and all the mods il list below. Since the video Iv added a Diff drop, Blackhawk UCAs, more lift, new wheels/tyres.
All Mods to date:
2.5” Lift, Foam Cell Pro
Rhino Evolution Bar
Uneek Rock Sliders
Runva Winch
Ironman Rear Protection Bar
33” Toyo Open Country MT
16x8 Moto Metal Wheels
PSR Diff Drop
Upper Control arms
Underbody bash plates
ARB 140L Long Range tank
Ceramic window tint
Paint Protection Film
21” LED Bar
Snorkel
Oil Catch Can
Roof Racks
Rear platform setup
LED Headlight and Reverse upgrade
LED interior lights upgrade
LED puddle lamp upgrade
Lightforce switch panel
UHF
Rear tailgate Struts
Tailgate Central locking
Redtek folding mirror module
Global Automotive seat covers
3D floor mats
Bee sting antannae
Michael Toomer looks good mate I got a xlt keeping stock just gonna run some decent under body protection a gmf bar rear bar and some sliders possibility a snorkel like yours keep it up (y) I enjoy watching these
No comment, the hilux said it all!
I am amazed that the Ford even got up that
Definitely only the lockers the difference.
Hilux le vrai 4x4 💪💪💪
Lockers are the best way If you want to get there relatively easy without tearing stuff up.
Toyota 100% respect !
How can they compare wen the ranger actually stops at the bottom of the hill before starting while the hilux already has momentum there’s no comparison in that video
I think it is a matter of momentum. A bit change in speed makes big difference.
HILUX did it like a boss
I just missed toyota back in the days where they made sport cars and engines
I hope this is the same Ben I crashed my GQ in to in Toolangi ;) :D, hi Ben!! thought you bought some 33s
Hashan Dissanayake I spoke to Ben and he remembers you 😂 . This video was taken before he got his new tyres.
Who made the front bar on the Ranger?
biggles333999 it’s Rhino evolution bar made by Rhino4x4.
Michael Toomer thanks for that. I LIKE IT.
Not your normal run of the mill bar. Gonna look into one for mine.
Thanks heaps.
clear example of how good lockers work. The ranger did well - I dont think he could run much lower pressure due to big rim size
Mick, is your ranger a manual?
I was about to say that all the time.....but to mi all raptors are automatic.
wow¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ ......magic twin locked Hilux....what is the brand of the front locked??? ..TOYOTA ES LO MAXIMO
Of course lockers in the front and rear are better than just rear only. The Ranger made it though. It did just fine.
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I think this proved that the Ranger did pretty good with just a rear locker. How would the hilux go with just the rear locker? Also the tyre pressures on the ranger were a lot higher, you could see that straight away.... come on fair comparison boys..... LOL 👍
All fair calls. The video isn’t really a comparison even though I have titled the video as such. Was just 2 blokes having a crack at a obstacle at the time . The main reason the hilux flew up was because he deployed the crash and bash method while myself being the first tried the “crawl up and make sure my front bar doesn’t hit” method.
In regards to the tyre pressure I normally run them at 20-22 psi but I have since changed my wheels/tyres which I can run a lot lower without fear of popping the bead.
Michael Toomer
All good, looked like it was a good day, thanks for sharing it with youtube, awesome looking 4wd by the way.👍
The Lux is also a few hundred kilos lighter right?
And hilux didnt pass the same spot if u notice
I'd have the ranger. Too easy is boring. You want a ute that you know will make it so long as you do a bit of work on your end too. Otherwise.. why even go out?
The hilux had front diff locks, being a layman my undertsanding is that when front diffs are locked, vehicle can't be steered
Zaygham Nawaz steering is very difficult. Normally you activate them after you steer and deactivate if you need to steer
Touota power💪
Locked diffs are the first and best mods you should do to any rig your gonna play with
The front locking diff made all the difference in this situation just like every other situation
Locking axles are the best way to get the most from your vehicle
It is safer to drive off road offers more control to the operator
Allan Wagner thanks, front lockers are still on my future upgrade list! Thanks for watching !
What is you fuel consumption like
Mason Coppens average fuel economy for me is about 14L per 100. Off-road it’s over 20L
That whole demonstration really just shows that if you let your tyres down you have more traction.
Hilux still would have breezed up there with no lockers.
That is flats track near O’tools I believe.
It’s The rocky section at the top of Flats Track. The main reason the Hilux breezed up because he hit it at speed. Something which I wasn’t prepared to do being first and just scraping my front bar over the first Rock step. In regards to the tyres I normally run them at 20-22psi but I have constant issues with popping the bead. Iv since changed to a different wheel/tyre combo which I can run much lower.
Thanks for watching and leaving feedback
With suspension are you running Michael toomer
Also what coils and springs
Mason Coppens Iv got Ironman Foam Cell Pro set to 2.5” at front and 2” rear.
I’m thinking about upgrading the front in the future to 3” Bilstein so that i can get more droop at the front.
Ford should implement the abs to lock ( applying the brake )the wheel when it’s the air or loss of traction . That does work maybe not quite as good as a front locker but it would be all round better and could be as easy to implement with just a reprogram ! All the parts needed are all ready there and Jeeps trail hawks use the same idea
Casey M your talking about traction control and this model Ranger does use traction control at the front even while rear diff lock is engaged.
Your actually watching it in action but as noted and mentioned in other 4x4 reviews the Ranger allows a lot of wheel spin before kicking in and is very reactionary. Also when it does kick in only some braking is applied to the spinning wheel therefore transmitting only some torque to the other wheel.
It works reasonably well enough on most surfaces but really struggles on steep climbs such as this.
Thanks for watching and leaving feedback
Michael Toomer ah ok I did not realize it had front traction control . Does not look like it works to well in this vid. Nice looking truck though 😬
Casey M yeah this video doesn’t show it to well but believe me it works.
Traction control is enough for 99% of my driving and only use the rear locker when I need to.
Cheers
Wich tyre pressure have the Hylux?
Dante Kawa ZX from memory 20psi.
Thanks a lot.
Sometimes, I dont know if its better to use low pressuere in order to get more grip (15-20psi bigger foot print) or hard (35psi) to avoid
breaking a tire, while riding on sharp rock.
Dante Kawa ZX I had that issue alot with these wheels and tyres.
Iv since learned that you want to run the narrowest wheels your tyres will allow to minimise breaking the bead. The wheels in his vid are 9" which is the widest my 285/70r17 will fit on. I had constant bead issues hence why I didn't like running below 20psi.
Iv since changed my wheels to a 16x8 with 305/70r16 tyres. I can run them down to 16 and had no problems.
Whilst front lockers are awesome there were many factors here. The hilux was way more aired down which makes an incredible difference. Plus the hilux driver hit the slope rolling and knew how to feather the throttle on off without stopping.
vevohoeyo while the outcome appeared that way the reason was a little different. Being first and not wanting to bash my front bar into the rock I decided to approach it slowly to ensure my front bar clears the first rock step and crawl up but struggled for traction.
The hilux driver while appearing to be in control was actually a nervous wreck 😂 and needed a lot of encouragement to give it a go. Knowing Ben, (Hilux driver) he hits everything at speed, he just wanted to get up and over it. An imbetween pace would have been a lot better for both vehicles.
Michael Toomer get the auto ranger m8 they are awesome for throttle control in the low range
vevohoeyo it is a Auto Mate. What you are seeing here is the Ford Rangers front Traction control in action. Hard to tell because it doesn’t work to well on a steep include and there is a lot of wheel spin before it kicks in.