Im Singaporean living in HK and dated HK guys before. In fact they do send their girlfriends home after a date. Those who don’t want to spend weekends with gf or even send them home after a date are usually the type not serious about the relationship ( same in Singapore too ). Lessons we learn as we grow and Im actually now happily married to a HK guy. Btw Singaporean guys are more simple minded IMO , where they have a job, CPF taken care of , hence can become complacent with real success. Whereas HK guys are more complex hence can be more exciting coz of the environment they are put in where every man is for himself , unlike Sg guys. Sg guys all go through the same route of National Service, get a gf , get married , get a BTO , raise kids and retire with your CPF. So can be very predictable. There is no better or worst , it really depends on a girl’s personality as well as to which type of guy style she prefers and if she is one who can adapt herself in foreign land and culture.
depends on your background too I’m singaporean mix Thai Chinese boy and my gf is from Japan we’ve met each other in private school and later became lovers
My Thai mom taught me how to make girls happy And later told me to give flowers to them and how to date them😅 and right now I’m in Japan with my gf I’m pretty happy
Mickey is such a lovely wonderful lady , she is indeed a blessing to Indonesia , Hong Kong and yes Singapore , Thank You Max , Do invite her back , her smile alone can light any dark room
As an American married to Singaporean, it took me a while to get used to the curtness of Singaporeans. Can. Cannot. Yes. No. Bye. When I recently went home to visit my folks in California, it was so jarring the friendliness of Americans. Everywhere I went, complete strangers were like "Hey! How's it going? How's your day so far?" and so on. 3 weeks of this and then I came back to Singapore. Back to can. Cannot. Bye. 😂
I mean if you want curtness you can also go to Boston haha. When I moved to Boston I was shocked 😅. Californian too btw, we're so friendly on west coast
Thanks Max for this interesting and introspective interview with Mickey. As a true breed Singaporean, I have many interactions with Indonesians, both socially and through work and many have become good friends. I resonate absolutely with Mickey, both from an Indonesian and Singaporean standpoint. Indonesians are by and large friendly, humble, polite and hospitable. Inspite of their immense wealth, they seldom make you feel like an outcaste, both in speech and action. These social graces is examplary of their upbringing. As for Mickey, I applaud her forthrightness...very candid and yet to the point. The years living abroad has shaped her into who she is today, a confident, articulate and vivacious young woman who is ready to seize the day and live life to the fullest with all her dreams and aspirations. Live on Mickey! I applaud you👏🫰Welcome to Singapore. I hope you find the love of your life at some point
@@khenglim such a great comment from you! Balance and fair based on your own experience. I do respect Mickey’s opinion and expect her the best in everything she does, hope she finds happiness here in Singapore.
Quite a lot of candidates for the students' council in my batch in my JC/high school were Indonesian I remember, though we also had many students of other nationalities too. Maybe they are quite outgoing
Mickey's life values is a good one...don't compare your life with others and depress yourself. Compare only to motivate yourself. And to be a blessing to others. I used to think the meaning of life is to live life with a purpose.
She is spot on about the living separately after marriage part when the bto is not ready. That's what my younger bro is doing after his marriage. Singaporeans are pragmatic people..we don't want to waste the money on rent especially if there are other alternatives to explore. Read the recent news that quite a few Singaporean couples choose to have small wedding dinners too. And it has been happening for years already since millennials time.
It is true that for Singapore, Malaysian and Indonesian immigrants are preferred because they can more easily fit into our culture here. The locals are also very familiar with them as our neighbours and more ready to welcome them permanently. Not that we oppose other foreigners staying in Singapore, but cultural dilution is a real thing, and it will be a pity if Singapore's cultural identity gets lost within a 100 years of our country's history. They are welcomed here if they are willing to accept and blend into the Singaporean's culture.
One of the issue in HK is. People from south east asia whether is chinese race or not, usually dont speak mandarin or the level of Chinese language is low. Unless someone is a profession or doing some job that is not chinese language involved or only the use of english. Any jobs in HK required the use of cantonese chinese language, these people from south east asia could not fit in or they chose to leave. They wont get a good job in hk, unless is expatriate.
@lzh4950 yes that's true, because the Singaporean chinese has the worst birth rates among the 4 major ethic groups. They need to replenish that group's young chinese.
I m from Hong Kong. If you date with Hong Kong guys 99% they will send you home. I m sorry you got that experience who not send you home. Try more date with Hong Kong guys you will see difference with your experience. 🎉
Wah as an Indonesian working in Singapore dating a Hong Kong guy, this video hits home 😂 feels good to know that i'm not the only one who prefer living in SG > JKT :' sometimes I feel guilty about it because it's as if I'm being unfilial for not liking to visit "home" as often. Hearing your opinion makes me feel comforted that maybe I'm just being practical about the whole situation, because SG is just safer, cleaner, and overall better live quality compared to being in Jakarta. I totally agree with your take on the importance of having a hobby outside work! Personally, I do song covers in my free time, and only recently realized not many ppl in SG actually have passion projects. I think it's important to do something beyond your 9-5 job, and totally agree about the part where hobby helps us meet new people! So semangat! jiayous! gayau! continue doing what you like!! You got your fellow indos here to support you in SG if you need anything 🥳
I would like to say for Hong Kong boyfriends, they usually would like to pick his girlfriend to home but not only say bye on MTR station even the public transport is very convenience and safe. Of course sometimes some boyfriends will do what the video said, the more is Hong Kong boyfriends are usually more gentleman if he treat this relationship seriously.
Interesting to hear what she feels being minority group in Indonesia is a “uncomfortable situation” and her honest answer that nothing she misses about Indonesia gave me a sad feeling. 😅 just two weeks ago I visited Australia and just on the second day in Brisbane, I experienced a brutal racism shouting on the crowded streets from big white skin fella, while I did nothing wrong at all. My only mistake I guess because I am an Asian look guy with my Indonesian Chinese friends and we were having a good time in Brisbane. You wouldn’t experience that kind of brutal racism act in Indonesia. Btw, I am Indonesian who is living and working in Singapore. Love Singapore with its discipline and well ordered lifestyle, and love Indonesia for its uniqueness and diversity 😅
sayangnya munculnya pemikiran islam radikal yg memandang no muslim itu harus dijauhi, bahkan kadang memandang sesama muslim jg dgn mata sebelah kalau beda pemahaman, karean gw sering bersinggungan dgn orang2 seperti itu jadi gw tau pemikiran mereka sperti apa
True tho, alot of my indonesian chinese friends also want to migrate out of Indonesia desperately cos of racial differences. You don't need to say but everyone knows about the discrimination...
@@yenfong2564 More Chinese people don't want to leave than there are who want to leave Indonesia. Simple life in Indonesia. In the same time you can learn culture and the meaning of life.
Chinese indonesian have higher quality of life than chinese singaporean due to less competition and more abundance resources (natural + cheap labour). @@yenfong2564
A lil idealistic. Money is one of the biggest reasons why people spilt up. Yeah, it’s okay to rent a small place, using money for that. But if the guy earns not enough, they end up fighting, or perhaps u may have enough to rent a place but the guy isn’t around enough due to working multiple streams for such money. Practicality puts food on the table. To quote, ‘in indonesia, husband money is wife money, wife money is wife money.’ But if no money, still use wife money, no money no honey. Maybe one day Indonesia becomes first world and gets to experience first world problems, perhaps there’ll be a shift.
The registration of marriage and the customary wedding are 2 different things. For rom is only for the legal system. Our families actually only recognise the customary wedding.
HK's man learned some 'western' practice, like respect the individualism, individual time than other place. They travel a lot to other places as well (japan/taiwan/US/UK). Also know the Chinese traditional culture. If you are attracted by those, then HK men is not appealing to you.
Based on my experience (I'm an Indonesian), some Indonesians abroad don't want to talk with other Indonesians if they haven't met earlier. But if you join a community, she's right, we'll tend to stick with one another.
As a Hong Kong person myself I gonna say the guy that the lady dated probably not too interest in the relationship. Most of the Hong Kong guys will offer to pick up the girl or take them home unless they are not interest. Just saying bye in the MTR somewhat indicate the person just didn't care much about the relationship.
Generally “Paiseh” loosely means “to stand on ceremony.” & “Not to impose” It is related to one’s comfort and politeness levels around others. Especially in social settings. For eg: 1) a friend comes over to visit. We are about to eat and the host might say “please don’t feel paiseh, just sit and eat whatever we have (as friends / family) and enjoy a good time.” 2) Another context / situation : I dropped my ice cream on the floor and people were around. It dirtied the floor for others. So I feel “paiseh” and bad for having imposed on others with my slip up. 3) A guy can also feel “paiseh” to ask a girl out cos he is too shy. He likes her but doesn’t know how to approach her, so feels shy to “impose” on her in asking for a date. It stems from awareness of others through his own lower self esteem as a man. 4th context : I bought something new and it didn’t fit. So as not to bother the store, I feel “paiseh” to return it. I don’t want to trouble others so I keep mum. I am paiseh to create a fuss over the return. Different contexts above using the word “paiseh” which is in Hokkien - a Chinese dialect. I stand corrected on the above examples to explain “paiseh”.
@@mickmokkk 1 boyfriend in 8 years is okay. I only had 1 girlfriend in 21 years! After that it was a 6 year gap before I met my wife [she's Indonesian].
maybe 1 boyfriend but many flings? many "non-official" boyfriends? there are girls who will say things like less than 6 months not counted etc. lol. she's not gonna admit how wild she might have been.
Totally understand it's hard for ppl who do not know Cantonese living in HK. But it's definitely a fun experience to try live in different places to experience something different.
After watching this episode, i found some similarities among Indonesians like cheerfulness, open minded, dare to express own thinking, nevermind just do it spirit, lets work it out together and softer charater to say no. True enough Indonesians tend to stick within their own group and speak Bahasa, which I do understand, but i find it hard to mingle with. Anyway, live your life to the fullest while you are still single as things will change after you get married and with children, worry about mortgage, utility bills due dates, more expenses or higher living cost, saving getting lesser, more workloads, difficulties to have work life balance, especially when you are into your forties where you are in a senior role. Nevertheless, welcome to Singapore and do upgrade yourself like taking up another part time master degree or sit for professional exams as you will have higher chance to get PR and citizenship.
As a Cantonese speaking ethnic Chinese American, I definitely seem to be influenced by the HK archetype, even though I have never lived there. I feel many other overaeas Cantonese are in the same boat.
This interview almost means nothing cause, as she stated, this is based on a sample rate of one. The differences could also come from a different phase of her life. The Jarkarta bf was since high school while the hk bf was after she graduated, meaning when she was 22 or so. Could also tell she's very inexperienced and child-like as she was giggling like a school girl when he asked her about dating life. I wish I had that innocence.
Hi Max , I enjoyed watching yr video . Paisai means ‘ embarrass in making a minor mistake / jokingly way of covering a mistake or Rejecting a outing ‘ Example -Pai Sai , I see wrongly the exam date -I cannot go out today , pai Sai lah -I need to shit . Pai Sai
16:18 I think it depends on the person. For those who have been here for 20 years or more, their “Indonesian” social habits tend to fade, and they adapt more to the local culture. 8:44 “apa ya?” Mantaf Bahasa indo-nya masih lancar 😂
Indonesia is a great country with great culture but as the minority most chinese have experience discriminatory act especially by the some govt official (worst if you live in regional town). This is one of the reason why the younger generation chinese who have the opportunity to study and live overseas choose to migrate.
@@hendyhew I have 4 young Indonesian Chinese friends who are have been working in Australia since 2 years ago and they are already planning to apply for Australia citizen. You are right. They have the right to do what they think the best for them. Wish them all the best.
Living separately until the new apartment is ready is pragmatic, indeed. That's even more pragmatic than dropping you at the nearest MRT station IMO. In Indonesia, people do differentiate between real close friends & friends friends. We're just more subtle about it, so people don't feel like an outsider.
The problem with that is I am never sure when I can count on an Indo friend when I need their help or they were just being polite when I am interacting with them.
so you're not inviting Hakka people from Indonesia XD haha I'm Teochew and Hakka Chinese Indonesian, and have been staying in Taiwan for 8 years. I can say that a lot of Hakka and Hokkien Indonesian come and stay here for good.
Charming lady she is. And very politically correct too when she recounted her experience with the Hong Kong guy. No offence but I think one has to have a really big heart to have a romantic relationship with a typical Hong Kong man. Heard so many stories from my friend and family member who have them as partners. They can be so very blunt and insensitive to the point of being insulting.
9:50 This is a lie. You can safely use public wifi, and there is no security risk. Nowadays every normal website/service uses HTTPS protocol. So if someone will want to track you, they will get just random encrypted data, what is basically a noise.
Can’t compare HK to SG in terms of place of interest. One is a gateway to an entire continent via high speed train, we are just a small island smaller than any of their city.
She has such a bubbly personality man... Speaking of her being minority in Jakarta and majority in Singapore, does she know unlike Singapore, Jakarta is very diverse and is one of few cities in South East Asia with no ethnic group majority along with Kuala Lumpur and Penang.
Yes and she is buddist as well... Probably grew up in conservative chinese-medan area like Pluit, Muara Karang (North Jakarta). I’m Southern and she doesn’t represent all of us... Jakarta is culturally vibrant city.
Wdym jakarta is very diverse, just a simple google of jakarta ethnicity would prove that wrong. Well i mean it’s kinda subjective, but yeah chindos are still a minority there at 6%
you can compare when getting different experience but do not expect the guy have many gf date experience too, especially first timer. Well, 3 years dating but both of you not thinking about marriage mainly due to differences encountered during the date.... Malaysian Chinese guy I think they even more accommodative and mix up few Malay speaking, grown up from less pressure living environment....
Time 11:08, Mickey laughed at the fact that couples timed their wedding according to when their BTO flat is ready, aka able to live together after getting married. But then, if the BTO is not ready and they lived separately after the wedding, this is a no-no for her. Hmmmmm...... what is she saying? I don't get her point. I also think that it's best for couples to live together after getting married so timing the wedding to coincide with the BTO seems like the right thing to do. It doesn't mean that the couples get married only because the flat is ready.
Her point is that she cannot accept living a part after getting married if they don't time it exactly with the recent delays. If they are living together, definitely not with either in-laws. It must be their own space aka rental apartments. Timing BTO in the past isn't a problem as there aren't much delays with the flats, at least not in the months. It is due to COVID that delays of >1 year happened. Additionally, the culture of getting a BTO first before proposal in SG is also weird. Although now a days most couples proposed before applying for BTO, in the past many don't due to them being too young to afford ring + proposal plans. It is better now as younger generations are usually supported by their parents.
What's so hard to understand? She said she'd rather spend money on rent so she can live with her hubby alone (until flat ready), rather than save that money and stay apart. She prefers a normal married life over money, like almost everyone else in the world does lol
@@zhen86 it's a cultural difference, created by the bto policy. In most of the world ppl would simply not consider letting housing decide wedding plans. For non SG ppl it will never make sense, while for SG it's common. As she said many times, SG ppl are too "practical" with such things compared to other countries. There's no right or wrong here, just different
Sporeans are frogs in a well. The weird things like living apart till BTO is not even done in our parents time. Instead of realising how bizarre we are because of terrible policies, we criticize others for having a normal life. My BTO was an empty field for 2 years in the 5 yrs it took to collect the keys. It's a deliberate delay to prop up the resale market, so that desperate couples have no choice but to buy resale.
@@TheReiz88 but still even with minimum wage, at least we still can go anywhere. jakarta to jogja only for 75k rupiah (most cheap ticket) by train and enjoy scenery. it all depends what you choose bro.
I am from Hong Kong. 90% of HongKonger are gentle as you expected. I think your ex-boyfriend is just not serious with you / sure you are the one. Or he experienced culture shock from you also.😂😂
bali sih enak. ga banyak pakai drama. bebas. daerah yang paling sangat toleran dengan budaya dan agama apapun itu. ga kayak di daerah daerah lain di indonesia. kebanyakan enya enyo drama
@@BudiantoHaryanto kalo pengalaman saya Singkawang lebih toleran dari Bali. Orang Bali emang toleran kalo di depan kita cuman dibelakang sering nyinyirin kita kata teman saya.
Good to know that she maintains her thick Indonesian accent which is cute & lovely. She can say she doesn't miss Indonesia, but I don't think she hates Indonesia, while she speaks Indonesian on daily basis in her contents.
@@mickmokkk Welcome to Singapore. We are glad to have you here. As a true breed Singaporean, I have many Indonesian friends living here and one of the many positive attributes of Indonesian is their humbleness (despite being rich), hospitality and friendliness.
my doctor is buddhism and chinese, live in jakarta his whole life even his house just 10 meters from mosque. maybe the way people live just different back then, i don't know. about 'minority' sometimes it all depends on how well you can blend with other not because you are minority. my childhood friend is catholic guy, so it is individual 'problem' not people.
@@cleifia dude, my friend is minority like her and not just one person. so what? actually doing just fine and it is all about the individual not other.
@@alfianmelodic Oh, I find it especially interesting when you, yourself, are neither Chinese, female, and Buddhist (or any other minority), but you have the audacity to invalidate her feeling as a minority in Indonesia, DUDE. You said that your friend is not like her and not just one person? How many then? Are your friends the representatives of the minority in Indonesia? Even then, why is your friend's feeling valid and hers is not? How do you know that she never tried to blend in with others? How can you be certain that it's just an "individual problem" based on this video and your own perception of your friends feelings only? Do you live with your minority friends 24/7 since you were born, so you know exactly what they are feeling inside out as a minority in Indonesia? In case you missed it, she is, in fact, a minority in Indonesia, and she has the right to feel as such in Indonesia. And she also never said that she's not doing fine. She (or even all of the minorities in Indonesia) can do fine, live well, but at the same time feels like she doesn't belong in her home country because she is a minority there. Something that you never knew and felt, I suppose, because you simply are NOT the minority.
@@alfianmelodicbetul boss, saya setuju. Pasca reformasi Indonesia jauh lebih baeeek. Itu lbh krn persoalan individu kagak bisa sosialisasi membaur dan sering ambil jarak thd lingkungannya😊.
You spend min 8 hours for 5 days with your colleagues, they are like your 2nd family. You don’t spend 8 hours for 5 days with your “friend”. If everyone have this mindset, the company work place is efficient. Nobody in my company don’t feel unhappy to come to work. If one feels unhappy, they don’t fit, need to move😂
Do you rarely read? The cost of living in Singapore and Hong Kong is extremely high, making it very challenging to start a family. Even living alone is a struggle. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison with Indonesia. banyak banyak baca ya broooow
@@pvbloperalta my friend who's living in Bali and has foreigners neighbors, told me that her Russian neighbors and Ukrainian neighbors are very close each other and stick together, while Russia and Ukraine are getting into war in their homeland. Not a funny thing honestly.
37 years single guy based in Hamburg, DE, open for finding an affectionate Singaporean girl who is open to connect with a foreign man and at some point able to relocate to Europe for living and closely dating.⚡
Sporeans are used to the unreasonably long 5 yr BTO. We just don't complain and accept it, even though its effecting the female biological clock & TFR. My BTO was an empty field for 2 years. PAP under builds BTO so that desperate couples are forced to buy re-sale flats, therefore propping up the housing market artificially.
Some videos footages shown are from mainland China, like 2:13, these are mainland Chinese highschool footages, 6:17 is dinner in Chinese rural area. Hong Kong and mainland China is vastly different, please put right footages that represent Hong Kong.
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?? These are all chinese migrants..
Mickey is such an attractive girl and seems fun to be friend with ... love her jolly character
thank you!!!!
@@mickmokkk your welcome ci 🤗
She is half Chinese
Im Singaporean living in HK and dated HK guys before. In fact they do send their girlfriends home after a date. Those who don’t want to spend weekends with gf or even send them home after a date are usually the type not serious about the relationship ( same in Singapore too ). Lessons we learn as we grow and Im actually now happily married to a HK guy.
Btw Singaporean guys are more simple minded IMO , where they have a job, CPF taken care of , hence can become complacent with real success. Whereas HK guys are more complex hence can be more exciting coz of the environment they are put in where every man is for himself , unlike Sg guys. Sg guys all go through the same route of National Service, get a gf , get married , get a BTO , raise kids and retire with your CPF. So can be very predictable.
There is no better or worst , it really depends on a girl’s personality as well as to which type of guy style she prefers and if she is one who can adapt herself in foreign land and culture.
How did you end up staying in HK?
depends on your background too
I’m singaporean mix Thai Chinese boy and my gf is from Japan we’ve met each other in private school and later became lovers
I’m not very blue singaporean local so I don’t know what’s it like for other sg guys who date girls but for me I like giving flowers to my gf
My Thai mom taught me how to make girls happy And later told me to give flowers to them and how to date them😅 and right now I’m in Japan with my gf I’m pretty happy
Amen ❤
Mickey is such a lovely wonderful lady , she is indeed a blessing to Indonesia , Hong Kong and yes Singapore , Thank You Max , Do invite her back , her smile alone can light any dark room
As an American married to Singaporean, it took me a while to get used to the curtness of Singaporeans. Can. Cannot. Yes. No. Bye. When I recently went home to visit my folks in California, it was so jarring the friendliness of Americans. Everywhere I went, complete strangers were like "Hey! How's it going? How's your day so far?" and so on. 3 weeks of this and then I came back to Singapore. Back to can. Cannot. Bye. 😂
I mean if you want curtness you can also go to Boston haha. When I moved to Boston I was shocked 😅. Californian too btw, we're so friendly on west coast
Thanks Max for this interesting and introspective interview with Mickey.
As a true breed Singaporean, I have many interactions with Indonesians, both socially and through work and many have become good friends. I resonate absolutely with Mickey, both from an Indonesian and Singaporean standpoint.
Indonesians are by and large friendly, humble, polite and hospitable. Inspite of their immense wealth, they seldom make you feel like an outcaste, both in speech and action. These social graces is examplary of their upbringing.
As for Mickey, I applaud her forthrightness...very candid and yet to the point. The years living abroad has shaped her into who she is today, a confident, articulate and vivacious young woman who is ready to seize the day and live life to the fullest with all her dreams and aspirations.
Live on Mickey! I applaud you👏🫰Welcome to Singapore. I hope you find the love of your life at some point
@@khenglim such a great comment from you! Balance and fair based on your own experience. I do respect Mickey’s opinion and expect her the best in everything she does, hope she finds happiness here in Singapore.
Quite a lot of candidates for the students' council in my batch in my JC/high school were Indonesian I remember, though we also had many students of other nationalities too. Maybe they are quite outgoing
Mickey's life values is a good one...don't compare your life with others and depress yourself. Compare only to motivate yourself. And to be a blessing to others.
I used to think the meaning of life is to live life with a purpose.
She is spot on about the living separately after marriage part when the bto is not ready. That's what my younger bro is doing after his marriage.
Singaporeans are pragmatic people..we don't want to waste the money on rent especially if there are other alternatives to explore. Read the recent news that quite a few Singaporean couples choose to have small wedding dinners too. And it has been happening for years already since millennials time.
Max, many Asian cultures share many similarities : customs, traditions, values, manners, education, etiquette, foods, religion, respect, …… etc .
It is true that for Singapore, Malaysian and Indonesian immigrants are preferred because they can more easily fit into our culture here. The locals are also very familiar with them as our neighbours and more ready to welcome them permanently.
Not that we oppose other foreigners staying in Singapore, but cultural dilution is a real thing, and it will be a pity if Singapore's cultural identity gets lost within a 100 years of our country's history. They are welcomed here if they are willing to accept and blend into the Singaporean's culture.
One of the issue in HK is. People from south east asia whether is chinese race or not, usually dont speak mandarin or the level of Chinese language is low. Unless someone is a profession or doing some job that is not chinese language involved or only the use of english. Any jobs in HK required the use of cantonese chinese language, these people from south east asia could not fit in or they chose to leave. They wont get a good job in hk, unless is expatriate.
Also heard that among Malaysians, Chinese are observed to have PR/citizenship applications approved the most readily among all the races
@lzh4950 yes that's true, because the Singaporean chinese has the worst birth rates among the 4 major ethic groups. They need to replenish that group's young chinese.
Mickey is super full of spirit and positive vibes 😊❤
I m from Hong Kong. If you date with Hong Kong guys 99% they will send you home. I m sorry you got that experience who not send you home. Try more date with Hong Kong guys you will see difference with your experience. 🎉
Paiseh is a hokkien term meaning in "Shy or Sorry, but in a polite way"
Wah as an Indonesian working in Singapore dating a Hong Kong guy, this video hits home 😂 feels good to know that i'm not the only one who prefer living in SG > JKT :' sometimes I feel guilty about it because it's as if I'm being unfilial for not liking to visit "home" as often. Hearing your opinion makes me feel comforted that maybe I'm just being practical about the whole situation, because SG is just safer, cleaner, and overall better live quality compared to being in Jakarta.
I totally agree with your take on the importance of having a hobby outside work! Personally, I do song covers in my free time, and only recently realized not many ppl in SG actually have passion projects. I think it's important to do something beyond your 9-5 job, and totally agree about the part where hobby helps us meet new people! So semangat! jiayous! gayau! continue doing what you like!! You got your fellow indos here to support you in SG if you need anything 🥳
also love your usage of "lah" in the video, some of them are the indo's lah instead of the singapore's lah 😂
I would like to say for Hong Kong boyfriends, they usually would like to pick his girlfriend to home but not only say bye on MTR station even the public transport is very convenience and safe. Of course sometimes some boyfriends will do what the video said, the more is Hong Kong boyfriends are usually more gentleman if he treat this relationship seriously.
love these videos, pls do more from hk expat perspectives!!
We will!
As a mainland Chinese who spent 6 years in hk since university time and moved to Singapore for 7 years, I resonate with you so much!
Interesting to hear what she feels being minority group in Indonesia is a “uncomfortable situation” and her honest answer that nothing she misses about Indonesia gave me a sad feeling. 😅 just two weeks ago I visited Australia and just on the second day in Brisbane, I experienced a brutal racism shouting on the crowded streets from big white skin fella, while I did nothing wrong at all. My only mistake I guess because I am an Asian look guy with my Indonesian Chinese friends and we were having a good time in Brisbane. You wouldn’t experience that kind of brutal racism act in Indonesia. Btw, I am Indonesian who is living and working in Singapore. Love Singapore with its discipline and well ordered lifestyle, and love Indonesia for its uniqueness and diversity 😅
sayangnya munculnya pemikiran islam radikal yg memandang no muslim itu harus dijauhi, bahkan kadang memandang sesama muslim jg dgn mata sebelah kalau beda pemahaman, karean gw sering bersinggungan dgn orang2 seperti itu jadi gw tau pemikiran mereka sperti apa
True tho, alot of my indonesian chinese friends also want to migrate out of Indonesia desperately cos of racial differences. You don't need to say but everyone knows about the discrimination...
@@yenfong2564
More Chinese people don't want to leave than there are who want to leave Indonesia.
Simple life in Indonesia.
In the same time you can learn culture and the meaning of life.
@@yenfong2564 bruh the data from 2019-2022 only 4000 indonesian become singaporean citizen, u are exagarrating..
Chinese indonesian have higher quality of life than chinese singaporean due to less competition and more abundance resources (natural + cheap labour). @@yenfong2564
A lil idealistic. Money is one of the biggest reasons why people spilt up. Yeah, it’s okay to rent a small place, using money for that. But if the guy earns not enough, they end up fighting, or perhaps u may have enough to rent a place but the guy isn’t around enough due to working multiple streams for such money. Practicality puts food on the table. To quote, ‘in indonesia, husband money is wife money, wife money is wife money.’ But if no money, still use wife money, no money no honey. Maybe one day Indonesia becomes first world and gets to experience first world problems, perhaps there’ll be a shift.
The registration of marriage and the customary wedding are 2 different things. For rom is only for the legal system. Our families actually only recognise the customary wedding.
this is truly unique in Singapore whereby legally married couple stay separately before the house is ready. MONEY > LOVE
HK's man learned some 'western' practice, like respect the individualism, individual time than other place. They travel a lot to other places as well (japan/taiwan/US/UK). Also know the Chinese traditional culture. If you are attracted by those, then HK men is not appealing to you.
Based on my experience (I'm an Indonesian), some Indonesians abroad don't want to talk with other Indonesians if they haven't met earlier. But if you join a community, she's right, we'll tend to stick with one another.
As a Hong Kong person myself I gonna say the guy that the lady dated probably not too interest in the relationship. Most of the Hong Kong guys will offer to pick up the girl or take them home unless they are not interest. Just saying bye in the MTR somewhat indicate the person just didn't care much about the relationship.
Thank God for the subtitles
Not God, it’s my team 😁💪
Very insightful interview.
Generally “Paiseh” loosely means “to stand on ceremony.” & “Not to impose”
It is related to one’s comfort and politeness levels around others. Especially in social settings.
For eg: 1) a friend comes over to visit. We are about to eat and the host might say “please don’t feel paiseh, just sit and eat whatever we have (as friends / family) and enjoy a good time.”
2) Another context / situation : I dropped my ice cream on the floor and people were around. It dirtied the floor for others. So I feel “paiseh” and bad for having imposed on others with my slip up.
3) A guy can also feel “paiseh” to ask a girl out cos he is too shy. He likes her but doesn’t know how to approach her, so feels shy to “impose” on her in asking for a date. It stems from awareness of others through his own lower self esteem as a man.
4th context : I bought something new and it didn’t fit. So as not to bother the store, I feel “paiseh” to return it. I don’t want to trouble others so I keep mum. I am paiseh to create a fuss over the return.
Different contexts above using the word “paiseh” which is in Hokkien - a Chinese dialect.
I stand corrected on the above examples to explain “paiseh”.
This lady is attractive. I am a Hong Konger. I find it difficult to believe that she only had one boy friend in Hong Kong in 8 years.
yaa! how come yaa :(( wish I dated more.
@@mickmokkk No lah, too many red flags around! It's better to keep yourself safe and find the right one when the time comes.
@@mickmokkk 1 boyfriend in 8 years is okay. I only had 1 girlfriend in 21 years! After that it was a 6 year gap before I met my wife [she's Indonesian].
Comon Seriously as if she is going to admit what she got up to in HK alone.
maybe 1 boyfriend but many flings? many "non-official" boyfriends? there are girls who will say things like less than 6 months not counted etc. lol. she's not gonna admit how wild she might have been.
Totally understand it's hard for ppl who do not know Cantonese living in HK. But it's definitely a fun experience to try live in different places to experience something different.
After watching this episode, i found some similarities among Indonesians like cheerfulness, open minded, dare to express own thinking, nevermind just do it spirit, lets work it out together and softer charater to say no. True enough Indonesians tend to stick within their own group and speak Bahasa, which I do understand, but i find it hard to mingle with. Anyway, live your life to the fullest while you are still single as things will change after you get married and with children, worry about mortgage, utility bills due dates, more expenses or higher living cost, saving getting lesser, more workloads, difficulties to have work life balance, especially when you are into your forties where you are in a senior role. Nevertheless, welcome to Singapore and do upgrade yourself like taking up another part time master degree or sit for professional exams as you will have higher chance to get PR and citizenship.
Shes chinese not your Muslim Indonesian with extremists tendencies
As a Cantonese speaking ethnic Chinese American, I definitely seem to be influenced by the HK archetype, even though I have never lived there. I feel many other overaeas Cantonese are in the same boat.
She seems lovely and fun to be around
This interview almost means nothing cause, as she stated, this is based on a sample rate of one.
The differences could also come from a different phase of her life. The Jarkarta bf was since high school while the hk bf was after she graduated, meaning when she was 22 or so.
Could also tell she's very inexperienced and child-like as she was giggling like a school girl when he asked her about dating life. I wish I had that innocence.
30:42 onwards till the end, I totally agree with her views on this.
She such a lovely lady!
Hi Max , I enjoyed watching yr video .
Paisai means ‘ embarrass in making a minor mistake / jokingly way of covering a mistake or
Rejecting a outing ‘
Example
-Pai Sai , I see wrongly the exam date
-I cannot go out today , pai Sai lah
-I need to shit . Pai Sai
16:18 I think it depends on the person. For those who have been here for 20 years or more, their “Indonesian” social habits tend to fade, and they adapt more to the local culture.
8:44 “apa ya?” Mantaf Bahasa indo-nya masih lancar 😂
😅😅 Sy di hk 13 thn Masih fasih bhs indonesia & bhs ngapak,begitu jg dgn teman" meskipun setiap hr saat kerja kita ngobrol dgn bhs inggris & kantonisa
@@Liburankuliner wkwkwk ngapake ngendi mas?
@@royanjunior9782 Cilacap , binangun 😅
@@Liburankuliner wkwkw pada bae mas nyong wong cilacap tapi cilkot, yawis mas sehat2 yaa seneng krungune nek ngapake ora ilang hehe
@@royanjunior9782 😅😅 pokoke ora ngapak ora kepenak , arep nganggo bahasa apa bae ya ttp ora ngaruh
Indonesia is a great country with great culture but as the minority most chinese have experience discriminatory act especially by the some govt official (worst if you live in regional town). This is one of the reason why the younger generation chinese who have the opportunity to study and live overseas choose to migrate.
@@hendyhew I have 4 young Indonesian Chinese friends who are have been working in Australia since 2 years ago and they are already planning to apply for Australia citizen. You are right. They have the right to do what they think the best for them. Wish them all the best.
Lovely girl and interview. Thank you.
wahhh mickey!!!
Is wahhh a Singaporean expression?
Living separately until the new apartment is ready is pragmatic, indeed. That's even more pragmatic than dropping you at the nearest MRT station IMO.
In Indonesia, people do differentiate between real close friends & friends friends. We're just more subtle about it, so people don't feel like an outsider.
The problem with that is I am never sure when I can count on an Indo friend when I need their help or they were just being polite when I am interacting with them.
She dare to date Hk men, very brave of her.
I need some tea😂😂
@@yvonne0429🍵
Welcome to Singapore, Singapore should bring in more Hokkien people, Teochew people and Cantonese people from Indonesia
so you're not inviting Hakka people from Indonesia XD haha
I'm Teochew and Hakka Chinese Indonesian, and have been staying in Taiwan for 8 years. I can say that a lot of Hakka and Hokkien Indonesian come and stay here for good.
LKY is Hakka
A confident and independent woman.
Now is NEW HK since 2019‼
Omg❤, you are so cute and lovely dear Mickey lady
Charming lady she is. And very politically correct too when she recounted her experience with the Hong Kong guy. No offence but I think one has to have a really big heart to have a romantic relationship with a typical Hong Kong man. Heard so many stories from my friend and family member who have them as partners. They can be so very blunt and insensitive to the point of being insulting.
She is such a lovely person!
9:50 This is a lie. You can safely use public wifi, and there is no security risk. Nowadays every normal website/service uses HTTPS protocol. So if someone will want to track you, they will get just random encrypted data, what is basically a noise.
She seems to be a very cheerful lady. Hopes she gets her PR.
*fingercrossed!!! thank youu
Australia is the best ❤
Agree!!! Singapore is “chop chop” get the job done.
Can’t compare HK to SG in terms of place of interest. One is a gateway to an entire continent via high speed train, we are just a small island smaller than any of their city.
Singapore is a gateway to the whole region of SE Asia through Changi airport
HK is far more interesting and the cultural prosperity is amazing ❤
She has such a bubbly personality man... Speaking of her being minority in Jakarta and majority in Singapore, does she know unlike Singapore, Jakarta is very diverse and is one of few cities in South East Asia with no ethnic group majority along with Kuala Lumpur and Penang.
Exactly. Didn't talk about that
Yes and she is buddist as well... Probably grew up in conservative chinese-medan area like Pluit, Muara Karang (North Jakarta). I’m Southern and she doesn’t represent all of us... Jakarta is culturally vibrant city.
She's talking about religion, Jakarta is majority Muslim while she's Buddhist
Idk if she meant it like that. Only 30% Singaporean considered as Buddist though... So she's still one of the minority.
Wdym jakarta is very diverse, just a simple google of jakarta ethnicity would prove that wrong. Well i mean it’s kinda subjective, but yeah chindos are still a minority there at 6%
She's so vibrant and love her energy. If she's available, I'll be interested. 😂
Get in line, mate.
Lol
Wow Mickey you are hot! Bet you gonna get an upswing in your love life after this interview.
you can compare when getting different experience but do not expect the guy have many gf date experience too, especially first timer. Well, 3 years dating but both of you not thinking about marriage mainly due to differences encountered during the date.... Malaysian Chinese guy I think they even more accommodative and mix up few Malay speaking, grown up from less pressure living environment....
Not many Hk or Singaporean guys are willing to go to Indonesia unless they don't mind the big cultural difference there.
Such an intelligent and lovely girl.... sadly, Mum said no, I can't date her😮💨
18:43 hits hard
Time 11:08, Mickey laughed at the fact that couples timed their wedding according to when their BTO flat is ready, aka able to live together after getting married. But then, if the BTO is not ready and they lived separately after the wedding, this is a no-no for her. Hmmmmm...... what is she saying? I don't get her point. I also think that it's best for couples to live together after getting married so timing the wedding to coincide with the BTO seems like the right thing to do. It doesn't mean that the couples get married only because the flat is ready.
Her point is that she cannot accept living a part after getting married if they don't time it exactly with the recent delays. If they are living together, definitely not with either in-laws. It must be their own space aka rental apartments.
Timing BTO in the past isn't a problem as there aren't much delays with the flats, at least not in the months. It is due to COVID that delays of >1 year happened. Additionally, the culture of getting a BTO first before proposal in SG is also weird. Although now a days most couples proposed before applying for BTO, in the past many don't due to them being too young to afford ring + proposal plans. It is better now as younger generations are usually supported by their parents.
What's so hard to understand? She said she'd rather spend money on rent so she can live with her hubby alone (until flat ready), rather than save that money and stay apart. She prefers a normal married life over money, like almost everyone else in the world does lol
@@Udisared well Singapore is Small. a train ride from east to west is 2 hour only.
@@zhen86 it's a cultural difference, created by the bto policy. In most of the world ppl would simply not consider letting housing decide wedding plans. For non SG ppl it will never make sense, while for SG it's common.
As she said many times, SG ppl are too "practical" with such things compared to other countries. There's no right or wrong here, just different
Sporeans are frogs in a well. The weird things like living apart till BTO is not even done in our parents time. Instead of realising how bizarre we are because of terrible policies, we criticize others for having a normal life.
My BTO was an empty field for 2 years in the 5 yrs it took to collect the keys.
It's a deliberate delay to prop up the resale market, so that desperate couples have no choice but to buy resale.
Paiseh is embarrassed if it’s directly translated. I grew up in both countries
ngefans banget
Singapore 🇸🇬 or Hong Kong 🇭🇰?
Aku pilih belanda
Hongkong 😅😅
Hk, at least they are rich
@@MaxChernov Singapore 🇸🇬 is da best lahhh!
Macao!
Singapore Hongkong Indonesia for me choose Indonesia because Indonesia more fun friendly not easy to stress..
Cheap for everything like food...
exactly, i think that, indonesia has way way more chill and always laughing 😂
Try living there earning indo wages. Im sure its no longer as great.
@@TheReiz88 but still even with minimum wage, at least we still can go anywhere.
jakarta to jogja only for 75k rupiah (most cheap ticket) by train and enjoy scenery.
it all depends what you choose bro.
🤭🤡🤣 nice jokes 🤭
I am from Hong Kong. 90% of HongKonger are gentle as you expected. I think your ex-boyfriend is just not serious with you / sure you are the one. Or he experienced culture shock from you also.😂😂
Singaporeans have it super easy find a partner, queue up for a flat....
Someone counter interview Max.😁
its coming on Monday next week:)
She is beautiful
bali sih enak. ga banyak pakai drama. bebas. daerah yang paling sangat toleran dengan budaya dan agama apapun itu. ga kayak di daerah daerah lain di indonesia. kebanyakan enya enyo drama
Nggak pernah ke Singkawang mas?.
@@agunglaksono421 belom
@@BudiantoHaryanto kalo pengalaman saya Singkawang lebih toleran dari Bali. Orang Bali emang toleran kalo di depan kita cuman dibelakang sering nyinyirin kita kata teman saya.
@@BudiantoHaryanto terutama Bali bagian selatan.
for god sake, who name their daughter mickey ? she supposed to have minnie or daisy as a name.... btw salam kenal cece dari khuntien ya
I love your channel Max
she is so bubbly haha
Wonder if she still has Indonesia passport
She's gorgeous... Wife material def. Most probably orang Medan! Speaks my kinda Chinese dialect too (Hokkien)!
06:16 video scene: Dianxi Xiaoge/Dawang dog in Yunnan mountain area
Good to know that she maintains her thick Indonesian accent which is cute & lovely. She can say she doesn't miss Indonesia, but I don't think she hates Indonesia, while she speaks Indonesian on daily basis in her contents.
This is so trueeee! I’m a proud Indonesian and will always advocate for it wherever I am 🇮🇩
@@mickmokkk
Welcome to Singapore. We are glad to have you here. As a true breed Singaporean, I have many Indonesian friends living here and one of the many positive attributes of Indonesian is their humbleness (despite being rich), hospitality and friendliness.
I think us indonesian failed Chinese indonesians (discrimination). It's also the 2nd president's fault.
my doctor is buddhism and chinese, live in jakarta his whole life even his house just 10 meters from mosque. maybe the way people live just different back then, i don't know.
about 'minority' sometimes it all depends on how well you can blend with other not because you are minority.
my childhood friend is catholic guy, so it is individual 'problem' not people.
Are you part of the minority in Indonesia like her? Chinese, female, and Buddhist (or any other religion that is NOT the majority)?
@@cleifia dude, my friend is minority like her and not just one person. so what?
actually doing just fine and it is all about the individual not other.
@@alfianmelodic Oh, I find it especially interesting when you, yourself, are neither Chinese, female, and Buddhist (or any other minority), but you have the audacity to invalidate her feeling as a minority in Indonesia, DUDE. You said that your friend is not like her and not just one person? How many then? Are your friends the representatives of the minority in Indonesia? Even then, why is your friend's feeling valid and hers is not? How do you know that she never tried to blend in with others? How can you be certain that it's just an "individual problem" based on this video and your own perception of your friends feelings only? Do you live with your minority friends 24/7 since you were born, so you know exactly what they are feeling inside out as a minority in Indonesia?
In case you missed it, she is, in fact, a minority in Indonesia, and she has the right to feel as such in Indonesia. And she also never said that she's not doing fine. She (or even all of the minorities in Indonesia) can do fine, live well, but at the same time feels like she doesn't belong in her home country because she is a minority there. Something that you never knew and felt, I suppose, because you simply are NOT the minority.
@@alfianmelodicbetul boss, saya setuju. Pasca reformasi Indonesia jauh lebih baeeek. Itu lbh krn persoalan individu kagak bisa sosialisasi membaur dan sering ambil jarak thd lingkungannya😊.
8:35 now Max knows 😅
paiseh is a Hokkien word = shy + polite
Even I knew that, and I never was to Asia ) Greetings from Germany!
Ci mickey jane salim? senior gw wkakakaka
I always watch your videos on the first second Max
Mickey aksennya sekarang Singlish ya hahaha
Two races that those chinese girls mostly go for.. korean (oppa guy), or else white (Chad)...
You spend min 8 hours for 5 days with your colleagues, they are like your 2nd family. You don’t spend 8 hours for 5 days with your “friend”. If everyone have this mindset, the company work place is efficient. Nobody in my company don’t feel unhappy to come to work. If one feels unhappy, they don’t fit, need to move😂
Colleagues are NOT your FAMILY. Pls be aware of that.
Singapore is horrible when it comes to dating. It's impossible to meet anyone once you get out of college.
Why is that you think?
When you don't date in your company, is hard to meet new people. If possible, we don't date in our company.
try... dating apps?
Expand yr circles of friends…
try new activities brother
Indonesia lebih banyak pria beristri dua atau tiga
Singapura dan Hongkong banyak yang lajang sampai tua
Do you rarely read? The cost of living in Singapore and Hong Kong is extremely high, making it very challenging to start a family. Even living alone is a struggle. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison with Indonesia. banyak banyak baca ya broooow
Coz she can afford bto/house
Chindo is the best.
0:10 Shanghai tho
2:15 is China, not Hong Kong
Is Hong Kong, not China 😅
Singapore and Hong Kong are expensive and out of date. Their economies will shrink as countries turn away from communism.
mate how can you say russians don't stick together a lot??? many don't even speak english ! (pd. i live in bali)
@@pvbloperalta my friend who's living in Bali and has foreigners neighbors, told me that her Russian neighbors and Ukrainian neighbors are very close each other and stick together, while Russia and Ukraine are getting into war in their homeland. Not a funny thing honestly.
37 years single guy based in Hamburg, DE, open for finding an affectionate Singaporean girl who is open to connect with a foreign man and at some point able to relocate to Europe for living and closely dating.⚡
Sporeans are used to the unreasonably long 5 yr BTO. We just don't complain and accept it, even though its effecting the female biological clock & TFR. My BTO was an empty field for 2 years. PAP under builds BTO so that desperate couples are forced to buy re-sale flats, therefore propping up the housing market artificially.
Which one is more Orwellian?
SG 🇸🇬 or HK 🇭🇰? 🤭
Hong Kong for sure
@@Law19157LMAO! 😂
HK even has no passport-less immigration clearance. 🤭
If you're delusional then HK because you believe everything you read in the Western press
Some videos footages shown are from mainland China, like 2:13, these are mainland Chinese highschool footages, 6:17 is dinner in Chinese rural area. Hong Kong and mainland China is vastly different, please put right footages that represent Hong Kong.
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Max pliiiiissss translate bahasa...😢
Too bad, she is attached. I will want to date her.