India booms, China cools: What does it mean for the rest of the world? | To the point
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- Never before has a Chinese head of state canceled a G-20 meeting - THE forum for the most important industrialized and emerging countries. Xi Jinping is now sending his Premier Li to New Delhi - this will most likely be seen as an affront by host Modi. Yet Xi and Modi certainly pursue common interests - against Western dominance. On the other hand, they are arch-rivals with leadership aspirations for the global South. In addition, China's economy is weakening, while India is catching up enormously. So we ask: "India booms, China cools: What does it mean for the rest of the world?"
Our guests:
Vendeline von Bredow (The Economist )
Felix Lee (China.Table)
Isha Bhatia (DW)
Chapters
00:00 Intro
02:00 For China, the G-20 is not the most important format anymore
02:30 Xi’s absence from the G-20 is an affront for Biden, not for Modi
04:30 Is Putin’s and Xi’s absence at the G-20 a chance for Modi and India?
06:20 The current state of Indo-Chinese relations
08:05 Is the balance of power shifting from China to India?
09:30 China’s economic problems are here to stay
10:20 The West is talking about decoupling, China is doing it
11:15 India is not yet seen as a main competitor to China
12:00 India sees itself as a rising superpower
14:15 China does take the rivalry with India seriously
15:10 Double standards in the West towards India and China?
16:20 Do the Chinese people have to “eat bitterness”?
19:00 Xi’s priority is not the economy anymore - it’s foreign policy
20:15 China is still powerful and has a lot of influence over other countries
22:00 Is India a good alternative to China as a trading partner?
23:00 A shift of trade relations will be extremely hard - especially for Germany
24:00 There are still big German investments in China
24:30 The West should be alarmed: the BRICS summit was a turning point
Subscribe: th-cam.com/users/deutsche...
For more news go to: www.dw.com/en/
Follow DW on social media:
►Facebook: / deutschewellenews
►Twitter: / dwnews
►Instagram: / dwnews
►Twitch: / dwnews_hangout
Für Videos in deutscher Sprache besuchen Sie: / dwdeutsch
#India #China
![[TH] 2024 PMSL SEA GF D1 | Summer | แข่งที่ไทย ต้องใส่ให้สุด](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Jkuf7nCS7jI/mqdefault.jpg)
As an Indian , I want to see my country grow, develop and revive it's lost culture.
Thank you , it’s an insult to us too , we don’t want to be compared with India.
@@Suffer-grow don't take it seriously, he meant both india and china are different, china grew faster while india grows slowly.
@@Suffer-grow Free Tibet,Free Taiwan from Chinese occupation!
I applaud DW for not bringing Uighurs, Tibet and Taiwan in the questions. Human rights never should be part of Chinese discussion because German's interest may get hurt.
It’s certainly of your interest
🤐🤣🤣🤣
Another TH-cam foreign policy expert
@@nobs997reality really hearts isn't it 😂😂
@@harish.15 'Hurts' is the word you were looking for
Why do I have the feeling, that DW just wants to stir more conflicts between China and India 😂 This is despicable
Media survives and thrives on sensationalism
Neither India nor China is going to look at this channel for anything more than time pass. And neither of them allowed any other country to mediate between each other during almost all border disputes despite some offering support. So, I don't think anyone else can stir it more from outside.
No, causing a global virus that killed millions all over the world is despicable. Get it right 👍.
Exactly. DW is sowing discord between India and China.
Remeber dw works for America, I think both China and India should know who is really threatening global peace.
Even the Chinese Spokesperson spoke More positive for India than the so called Indian one.😢
Such a sullen face and sarcasm ...y can't they refuse to speak on the country, if they can't stand it
Even Pakistan sometimes gives same statements and that's the reality about India. You can't compare communist china and terrorist Pakistan with our nation.
Khalistani breed or feudal legacy Punjabi blood. She probably got there not just by merit but also by family privilege to get an internship in dw after a fancy degree.
tbh China doesn't speak badly of India that much
He's making up for the war they're starting.
I am an Indian and I never saw any step by Modi against any religious minority with the Supreme Court protecting all equally.
exactly
What 😂😂😂😂
Gang rape of women and burning women alive are daily rituals in India.
@@susobhanmete8829Don't laugh. He is right.
@@asmirann3636no he's not. Action in Kashmir and people have been revolting there for ages
India won't mimick China's growth, we don't pretend to be perfect..we accept our flaws and work with it to do things better
Nah seriously do we really accept our flaws
Khol dun apne desh ke chuparustam wale raaz😂
China is dictatorship. India is not. So we can't copy them
thats why modi love to hide data and controlled all system so his corruption will not came out
Absolutely, and you can start by building more toilets and stopping raping women.
@@amanpandey4436aa gaya humble gandhiwadi
From Brazil I support Bharat!🇮🇳
Nós Bharatiyas saudamos o espírito do Brasil❤
🇮🇳♥️🤝🇧🇷
Thanks from India 🙏👍
Indian panellist is definitely does not like Modi. The main reason we are talking about India giving rivalry to China is modi‘s leadership which propelled India to growth in all sectors. Modi has help India reach bigger heights in all sectors and this will continue for at least next 6 years hopefully longer.
Whole channel is Hindu hatred. You won't find anything better here. Just Hindu abuse
Modi is nothing new the tilt towards the USA happened ever since the civil nuclear deal with Bush and Manmohan singh. Think objectively not only on nationalistic or party lines.
@@kobenbagreat Modi is most pro USA prime minister of India. THink again
The Indian panelist is a left liberal & her analysis for the matter is highly premature.
That is the reason she got job. Money and religious hatred are more important than Nation's pride!
As a man from Europe, i support worlds largest democracy INDIA BHARAT .
Didnt know India was in Europe, Atleast chnage your location in TH-cam Dumbo
democracy of a banana republic..
Good❤️
every time I laughed when hear they talk abt democracy like "we have a god can walk on water"
Go ask commoners from Manipur, Sikkim, Kashmir what kind of democracy India has. More like phoney democracy.
I like the way the German lady is batting in favour of India, unlike our own who often try to defect.
That same German lady said India is an imperfect democracy..... I highly doubt she knows what is a perfect democracy
She is trying to feed little egos while undermining India.
do not trust westerners ever
@@user-ne9nw5ey3l Most democracies are, only a handful can classified as perfect democracies
The Indian correspondent is realistic, she's clearly not an andh bhakt.
Felix Lee is far more objective and fair to India than Isha. 🙏
That's what!
chinese dont let politics take over their brains .
Absolutely agree...
lol you don't like because she is stating facts rather BJP machinery talking points? EDUCATE yourself
Arunachal Pradesh and the regions are not disputed territory. The Economist rep have handled and presented the Indian situation far better and neutral than the Indian rep! How some Indians associated with western publications represent India even when facts are otherwise, is just truly disappointing.
It's disputed including Kashmir, Northeast union, and Khalistan. They are fighting for their independence from india.
@@saanjanibaar8085I can come n fight for u wife or daughter that doesn't make them disputed lol.....
@@saanjanibaar8085chup reh chutiyeh, Northeast conflict is sponsored by CHURCH missionaries of west mainly UK. Khalistani fuelled only by porkisthan Punjabi of Canada and west. Kashmir😂😂😂POK, Gilgit and BALOCHISTAN wants to merge themselves with BHARATH.
@@saanjanibaar8085nobody in Arunachal is fighting for freedom but surely people in Gilgit are protesting to join India
It is disputed, or else we would not be talking about it.
Why Modi would not take credit if his policies are showing results
Because most of these policies have existed across several parties. Like, the ISRO missions are shared credit between the UPA and NDA. Western Friendliness towards India really started in 2008 with the nuclear deal, under Manmohan Singh. Taking all credit for the culmination of multi-decade efforts is disingenuous and cynical.
He is credited for unprecedented farmers suicide unemployment inflation scams bank frauds ...
😂so yeah he is ready to retire
Because it takes time to see the results of policies. Patience!
@@bollakarthikeya4633 yes, that's the point - and a lot of Modi's achievements were initiated and sustained by other governments before coming to fruition under him. He's happy to claim 100% credit for those, too.
@@ismail-paine-de-circ I'll leave that to your creative imagination
Love India.
Greetings from Europe
@@einherjardk2223 We Europeans scammed the world way harder.
India Fix Toilets first...60% indians still Open Defecate on roadside, railtracks.... and fix your pathetic lQ76, Hungerindex107
@@lukasf.1381Europe will be joke 😂
So anyone who tries to badmouth Europe from Europe is not a European? Wait? Is that how it works there?@@einherjardk2223
Looks like you all having a hard time in recession 🤭🤭@@einherjardk2223
I think India will grow much faster than China, if they get a good infrastructure running. Wich I strongly believe. They have such a jung, creative and energetic population. They don't threaten any neighboring countries, sooo these countries are willing to trade with India.
China on the other hand is way to aggressive and chasing to hard. Other countries around do not feel save. Their population will have a worse demographic shift than ours.
As a German I feel very comfortable with a peaceful, democratic country like India taking the lead in Asia. Greetings to India from Germany ❤
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
If you knew about the experiences of multinational companies such as Vodafone, Nokia, Microsoft, IBM, Amazon, Walmart, Coca-Cola, and PepsiCo in India, you would not say this.
@@xinbozhang7206 And if you know about the experiences , what Google , Microsoft , Amazon , Facebook has faced in China , you wouldn't support china .
And for you kind information , all the companies that you have mentioned , Operate in India till now .
All the companies , I've mentioned is banned in China .
That is the fundamental difference .
@@xinbozhang7206 China is shameless. They ban facebook, Google, youtube, amazon, etc
A survey shows that the average IQ of lndians is only 86.
I'm singapore tamil girl i went to china thanks god i speak the amazing chinese i saw mosque china Uigurs special dance for the visitors
Love this Chinese man's genuineness... He Openly said that China is now an one person dictatorship country.... Hope he will be safe 🙏
😂😂😂
next prigozin 2.0😆
In his view India and China have terrible record. But it is different because India is democratic. What kind of logic is that 😂
India also same as china one man dictarship
If not for the representative of the Chinese, he is in power for represent in power for whom?
I like how they say Hindu nationalism leader proud of u modi ji
They are doing it derisively!
You dont understand when the PM is being derogated do you?
Isiliye tum andhbhakt kehlata hai.
@@SOUVIK_RAY_and he was being sarcastic
@@WorldCitizen-gz6fnwho cares… does China care what west say about them? India should be proud of their own culture and country.
I don’t understand why the Western media always compare India and China. Is it just because the populations are similar? The gap between the two countries is too big. In fact, the gap is continuing to widen, rather than shrinking.
Except the population, their difference is like day and night
India will catch up,the rate company are leaving China is something for China to have concerned about
@@tmoney26 2783 foreign companies shut India operations since 2014.
These include Metro AG, Holcim, Ford, General Motors, Royal Bank of Scotland, Citibank, Harley-Davidson, Huawei, among others.
Actually more companies are leaving lndia.
Because of Power of compounding, 8th wonder
@@stone1227wrong
I applaud DW for constantly use the term hindu nationalist for Modi a person directly elected by people 👏😂
If you are Indian, you know that is true. This is how he came to power. "Minority Appeasement"
Modi's religion Card ♦️😂😂
They are not wrong though. It is the best label to describe his political platform.
@@perhapsyes2493 in civilized world, it's also called fascism
@@yomamasohot6411 Do you know the election campaighn was all bout Gujarat development model and opposition election campaign was he is threat to minority.
India for humanity and world peace and prosperity.
Where is humanity towards Kashmiris and other minorities
bloody joke
perhaps, you forget how to spell 'humiliation'
World PEACE huh ?
You dont have mirrors didnt you ?
Look at Manipur and Haryana this year.
@@GulshanBajgai55 A section of the minority(the peaceful kind lol) will never be safe because no matter what you do for them, it will never be enough.
I am an Indian and ofcourse belongs to a minority community, but I could not find any ruthlessne here but we feel lucky to be born and live here since every body is equal and enjoy the life.🎉
Raping women? Child labour?Caste system?
1947 India economy was 3 % of World GDP
2023 India economy is 3,5% World GDP
Conclusion: India is a Superpooper Jai Hind 🇮🇳💪
As a man of the West. I regret deeply western rethoric "power struggle between India and China". Why our hemisphere is always inviting divisive thought? That mindset is just... Mind blowing
@@Hobbongi whatever you say. Or tried to say
@@Hobbongi so glad you understand "condolences". Lovely clown icon. Goes well with your pitching
@@Hobbongi spot on. You're a westerner. Perfectly adapted to absurd group-thinking
@@Hobbongi have a like, I'm enjoying this
@@Hobbongi you're right. I do not live in the west. I'm not even on Earth. You're absolutely right, you're the truth holder, keep on the animadversion, lovely fella. Have another like!
@Isha Bhatia , Indian territories are not disputed shown in latest Chinese map they are India's territories
She is baised so she was invited to this western media
She is baised so she was invited to this western media
Ye sb librandu log ko bahar kr dena chahiye India se
The British colonized India for more than 300 years and treated Indians as slaves. How could slaves gain territory? ? ?
China alienated its largest trading partners and investors, hard to see them recovering to their former glory of the 2000s-2010s. Meanwhile India shows a stable place to invest into.
China is the largest trading partners of over 140 countries.
@@2KSnSLifestyle
_WAS_
That was in the past and maybe still is so. But not for much longer. It won't last.
@@ArmageddonIsHere
Not maybe. It IS the largest trading partner. And it's still growing
@@protagonist9716
No. It's crashing, not growing!
Foreign companies are falling over each other in their hurry to get out of China!😁
@@protagonist9716
China's economy is now FUKCED!
There are No issues with Minorities and opposition in India ..
India is democracy so opposition wins many states(division in India). and minorities votes also important.
India is very diverse and United at same time..
The reality is Modi government has did more for minorities then did for Hindus but they don't want to show that they want Hindus to keep believes that Modi government is doing all for them which is not true btw
chal jhoothe :)
That lady in Delhi doesn't represents Bharat, she represents DW's biased perspective as co-worker of the media house. Shame on her! Can't even stand with her own country.
China 100sal agye hai humse kiu ro rah tu ,sahi tho boli vo , ab vo jhute thodi bolegi ki india china se uper hai.
@@bipinbisht7827nincompoops like you just sucks up to half throttle stories. There was no fact based discussion happening..
@@bipinbisht7827 are tuj jaise Chinese agent India me jitne rahenge utne piche rahenge hum, ro to tu raha hai India ki last 5 quarters ki growth China hua hai isi liye,
@@ashim_ mai b tere terah tha phale phir mene china vs india dekha tab thodi ankhe khuli meri.
What's her Twitter ID?
Let us be realistic, China is far ahead of India economically and infrastructure wise , it will be a long haul for India to catch-up. Militarily in a few areas they are one up but when it comes to military confrontation , India can give bloody nose to them for various reasons.
We are far behind in terms of military too. Not doubting the abilities of our soldiers but in terms of tech, infrastructure, co-ordination between various arms of the military, cyber warfare we are far far behind and there has been extremely slow progress on this. The FINSAS program is something we haven't heard of in years. And given the current governments unwillingness to acknowledge China's occupation in ladakh (while maj general level talks go on) and the introduction of agniveer things look dire. I hope it gets better.
PS forgot to mention that we haven't even given good quality helmets to our soldiers yet. There are various different kinds of helmets no standard one with the majority of soldiers wearing Patka
It's a house of cards
@@rolipoli826but Chinese have acted so calmly and collected, I hope there is wisdom because the border issues can be solved or governed bilaterally or just exchange coz India occupy china and china India at different points just keep the sides and draw a boarder and make it that the water which India is scared about should be protected even in case of confrontation and be free for all
You're completely right. But China is completely dominating the world in terms of infrastructure. I think it will be fair to compare India to USA than to China in terms of infrastructure. I think we can cross USA by 2050 if we maintain same gdp growth.
Indians here are kind different from palky Sharma fans
India as a democracy is comparable with the US or Japan not autocratic countries like China.
I love my little democratic brother Bharat. A great country.
@@taubernussyes because they have already build a BRICS summit against west? I don’t think so it make sense
Poland is growing so much. Germany is cooling down 😢 Germany will be poorer maybe? Again SICK man of Europe? Poor Germany, hopefully they don't get a "bloody nose" 😅😂
@@taubernuss India acting for it's own self interest. Because it suffered so much during cold war time such as USA supported Pakistan and China over democratic India
You are a joker 😂
India is not just the voice of the global south, soon India's voice shall resonate on the global stage and more & more countries will endorse India's views.
whatsapp forwards effect
India will be just fine as long as it won't threaten America's global hegemony.
1. Russia and India have trust issues with China.
2. China is taking advantage of Russo-Ukraine war.
3. For China, it doesn't matter who will be victorious. The two strongest armies in the world get weaken and can't withstand a blow from China.
4. Indian diplomats warned about pushing Russia to corner will eventually weaken NATO and Rusia.
5. China's economy is export oriented and challenging countries like Japan, South Korea, Germany and USA.
6. India is consuming based economy and without his population, China/Western countries can't make profits.
7. Europe & US of A has edge over Asians for formidable future as long as little egos don't understand big picture.
8. Xi, has two problems with attending G20 - Biden & Modi.
Great summary!
👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
Very well essenced
Yes ,India is well behind China,but is well paced to catch up,who would have thought China will emerge like this 15 years ago,same with india...only difference is China invested all his future investment in all the countries to get his footprint whereas india invested all his money in local Infrastructure from road to rail,education to health,space to science..but major path break will be ,diplomacy where india rescuing small countries from debt to vaccine and treating as trade partners,whereas China swallowing the territories and dumping the other countries as its local market !
India Fix Toilets first...60% indians still Open Defecate on roadside, railtracks.... and fix your pathetic lQ76, Hungerindex107
India Captured parts of Nepal and Bhutan 😂
India are Not Saints
China is helping the global South that is why the global South is happy to be led by China.
India has a long long way to go and it's still faces tonnes of issues at home
@@protagonist9716helping by debt trap ??
We can see what they did to Sri Lanka, Pakistan and now Nepal. But Nepal foreign minister happily said they are proud to be a part of our neighbor. Nigeria also said that they will allow India extract oil and will dump China since China is using their engineers and not giving work to Nigerians and are also mining illegally to places where they are not supposed to as well. India is ready to spend 12 billion dollars for that and Nigeria is also agreeing to go with India. So please first research with proper facts and discussion with people. People of China themself are getting unemployed and poverty is rising plus infertility rate is decreasing in China day by day lol. I just hope they don't steal the research of Japan to build babies in lab because China will use that for it's own interest to dominate the world. Also, keep crying XD@@protagonist9716
Indians are smart and strong in numbers. It's only a matter of time to surpass China. Go 🇮🇳
To be honest, India's economy cannot surpass China's before you die , unless a world war breaks out
In Parellel World 😂
It Will Take 20-30 Years For India to Reach Current China's Economy
And we will be surpassing China lol. Heard about the Indian diaspora? Guess not. Anyways you probably don't know unemployment rate of China, shadow banking, poverty, factories decreasing and so much more. Let's not forget about ghost cities.@@KAN443
India superpower 2020.😂😂😂😂😂😂
and corrupt, and religious
THE ISSUE HERE IS NOT ABOUT CHINA OR INDIA. ITS ABOUT THE WEST DIMINISHING GLOBAL INFLUENCE AND RELEVANCE. WHILE CHINA AND INDIA ARE COMING TO WORK TOGETHER TO SOLVE GLOBAL ISSUES , THIS IS NOT GOING WELL WITH THE WEST THATS WHY THEY HAVE WISHFUL THINKING THAT CHINA AND INDIA WOULD RATHER BE ENEMIES.
If China did not become a dictatorship that threatened countries like Taiwan, the West would also support China. As simple as that.
Tibet is always our friend but not this communist china.
India has been developing all 5 elements of super power status like for example: 1- Soft Power,2- Technology, 3- stable democratic political systems,4-strong economic systems, 5- strong military forces, 6 - highly influential in international arena, 7- Freedom
you can't even differentiate 5 from 7 lol
No mention of another superpower status, a permanent seat at the UNSC with veto powers?
@@BrokenArrow_ I don't think a club formed after WW2, for the winners reflects the current globe or the super powers. Corelation doesn't mean causation.
👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
india only going develop hindutva terrorist just like pakistan that why usa sponsering them
The German lady pointed out that the West, at the moment is not sanctioning India, thus it has an economic growth advantage over China. Don’t forget Japan and China were once in a similar position as India. As soon as the West perceives India as a threat, it will also be sanctioned.
That isn't automatically a given. It depends on what India's leadership does. India being a democracy won't be able to take a brazenly anti-West stance (in terms of actions, not words). India isn't and will not be viewed as a threat the same way that China is.
Fact 💯
@@ArmageddonIsHere Japan is also a democracy and was a rising economy just like India. Yet US had crushed it into almost non existence. This is just the way US ensures it’s supremacy.
@@gj8550 That won't happen, Japan case is different, because China will outgrow USA sooner or later, and India becoming strong is the only way for them to handle China in future. Both China and India will outgrow USA and when that happens neither of them will rely on USA for anything.
sanctioning india will be loss to west E.g: see recent Rice ban by India, west will crawl.. West is dependent on India not India.. West will slowly understand this. India has a market of 1.6 billion people. Can you afford sanctioning a young aspiring demographic of 1.6billion people? does that make sense??
For a 19T economy 5% growth is bad?
What is the growth of US and Europe?
Bhatia was so unaware of India's stand (irrespective of party lines) and callously conceded many western notions:
Growth~ Super Power
Voice of Global South~ Big Brother
- Since the Non aligned movement Indian Govt has been clear in this aspect of not subscribing to cold war cynical practices or vision.
India booms China cools
What a headline👍
In geopolitics n long term interests, a decade is a very short time. India will catch up!
Never! India always had so called advantages , but the difference was became more wide
@@raymondcyq The leadership in the country at the time matters too. There might be a lot of other issues with them but one thing about the current government is that they are quite hardworking n get things done!
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
China fakes numbers, it shows it has 20 trillion economy but actually it must be running on 10 trillion. That's what they do! Also they said in recent economic slowdown 8000 govt companies closed in China but actually it's 3 times that is 24000 companies left and closed in China
In 1960 India's per capta GDP was higher than China, 5 decades later and it's only 1/5th China today....
In fact, both India and China are boom, but the G7 are really cool😂
Being an Indian, residing in India, I can say that there has been no policy by the govenrment to opress any section of the society like its mentioned here. The supreme court of India will get invloved if any such absurd this happens. This narrative of Modi opressing minorities occurs because of the people like the one here in this video, reperesting India, she clearly dislikes Modi and if such people say something against India in the western press, no westerners are active or intelligent enough to cross-check it with ground realities , and take it up on face value. No western media has ground staff to validate this and lap up whatever such anti-India journalist report.
"China's economy is not doing so well, India is catching up..." ??? Chinese GDP is 18 Trillion, India is only 3 Trillion.
It's their wishful thinking speaking
As Chinese ,we have our own culture and beliefs.we like to talk less and do more.When others are discussing freedom and democracy. The Chinese are working hard to improve their living standards.
I hope tibbetans and uyghurs also get good life.
Also may ur former foreign minister get all the freedoms u have
Then why unemployment increasing? Shadow banking increasing? Poverty increasing? Factory decreasing? And now my mind is blasting.
Ccp guy
actually it's chinese that talk too much and do so little. chinese has been threatening to annex Taiwan for 70 years and still nothing happened. Even russians know chinese always say one thing and do another. there is a famous russian proverb 'последнее китайское предупреждение' (China's final warning)
1 yuan credited !
Chinese may find it humiliating to compare the Chinese economy to India's since India's total GDP is only 20% of the size of China and no single Indian company could be seen on the world stage like China's Tiktok, Huawei, DJI, Alibaba, Temu, BYD, Xiami, etc. So well done DW, you did a good job insulting Chinese.
just demonizing China as usual
well said
Exactly
China growing at 3% and India at 7-8%. Dude ypu ignored Power of compounding.
Be like that, Ignorance is bliss 😂😂😂😂😂
According to World Bank's data of 2022, China's GDP= 17,963,171US$, India's GDP= 3,385,090 US$. 3%-4% of China's growth = 538,895 to 718,526 US$, while 8% of India's growth= 270, 807.2US$. The gap between these two countries is enlarging. Ignorance is bliss 😂
@@Anonymous-hp1tg
While IMF still forecasts China will grow at 5.2% in 2023, DW should worry for EU and Germany more.
LoL
Just compare the number of toilets per citizen in those countries you mention, and then maybe reassign your worries.
There is a difference between a slowdown and a population-driven drop off a cliff.
Forget about Germany, it's already trapped in a major economic recession. The country's future is bleak, to say the least.
@@jhwheuer You might want to be more specific
There's no way China could dominate India - which it's trying to do. India will never ever allow that.
The sooner China realises this the better.
America ,European ,Union ,India n Non - Chinese countries will never allow China to push us . around .
The big mistake was by America n Non - Chinese countries investing in China for 40 years .
Outsoucing technology ,critical components ,the Chinese should just do business ,trade but now they want to dominate the world n challenge the very countries that help China to become rich ,powerful .
We allow China to go to America - technology gets stolen
We allow China to use South China sea,sea get stolen ,We allowed China near Indian birders ,Indian land get stolen
We allow China to fish ,they fish illegally worldwide .
We allowed China to do business ,they do alot of illegal business
We allow China in Pakistan ,they support give corruption money to Pakistani Military to form terror groups to do terror attacks on India .
Better to have nuclear war in Asia
I have to etrue sbook
Who told you China is trying to dominate India?
China is about to have a massive revolt due to slowing economy. Dictatorships eventually collapse.
@@cinpeace353 Palki Sharma probably
@@cinpeace353 No one. He's just imagining it.
Major difference is India has good intention (humanitarian ground) China has only self centered ambitions ignoring common human welfare
India Fix Toilets first...60% indians still Open Defecate on roadside, railtracks.... and fix your pathetic lQ76, Hungerindex107
India restricts exports of vaccines, rice, and wheat when world needs india, this is the Indian version of “humanitarianism”
So true
What an outrageously absurd comment! China elevated 800 million people out of poverty and has invested hundreds of billions of dollars in 150 countries around the world via BRI!
Not that I am a fan of China, God knows it's a serious threat to all of Asia but India is a regressive society that adheres to mediaeval values, oppressing hundreds of millions of its own citizens just because of different religion or just for being born untouchable. India is only booming because India is selfishly and cynically buying cheap Russian oil, helping prolong the suffering of Ukraine.
The first brilliant debate on India and China on DW in a looooooooooong time. Thank you. Sehr genossen.
this is a one side debate
I am an who lived in China and witnessed the wonderful transformation. I am afraid that with one person who will stay life long will bring in complacency and finally will lead to mess....and feel bad for people who are super sweet....
This DW correspondent Isha is absolutely ridiculous when it comes to say a point with assertion.
India does see itself as a competitor with China. How can say she’s not?
She is western stooge 😂
See the economic deference between India and China...?? she is being realistic.
@@sahilnegi4071 China is truly seen as competition in India even if there’s a difference in our economy. She lied on this.
As an Indian, of course we have a long long way to go, and nothing to be taken for granted. If the Indian economy grows at 8% real for the next decade, then we have some heft. We know what happened to Argentina, Japan and possibly China. I think the big difference between India and China is that, Indian politics ultimately is about improving the quality of our lives, more than anything, and that makes peace and prosperity necessary, while the PRC government tells their military "Prepare for War", every single year. People here don't realize that dictatorships always go to war when their internal economy crumbles. Taiwan War may not be as far off as it seems. I think Germany and the EU made historic mistakes by depending on Russia and the PRC. In the short term they saw steep growth, but they could not prevent the Ukraine War and perhaps another debt crisis arising from the Belt and Road initiatives.
A war is needed when old superpowers don’t want to release power to new superpower. Taiwan war is more for the US, which will determine which one will be in charge of Asian affairs. if China wins, China would be free to use labor and natural resources in Asia pacific region, and take advantage of Chinese Yuan hegemony. Chinese people will be much richer like Americans right now.
Remember this: to live rich life, you need to use free labors from other countries as slave. The US uses Chinese people and Mexico and southeast Asian people as cheap labor slaves to support rich life of Americans. China has no way but to do the same to live a good life: enslave asian labors and feed Chinese people.
@@cathie3874 "release power to new super power" .... lol you are really, really full of yourself. None of these development would've been possible without western money to start with.
China doesn't tell their people to prepare for war. China teaches their kindergartners to crawl in mud under nets with knives in their mouths, shoot automatic weapons, jump on grenades, and SCREAM their hate at the top of their lungs, against literally everyone. And I am not making this up. If you want to see video of them doing exactly that, just ask. And I don't mean some fanatical groups, I mean the GOVERNMENT. It has gone nuts since Xi, the new Mao, took over total and complete control.
Can you , a small boy , please stop talking about adult things 😮which you know nothing about 😢
All western experts told the world India has every right prospect of developing advantage over China since I was a uni student in mid 1980.
Lol, China brokered deal with Kissinger which led to downfall of this prediction, else it was correct.
@@swakal8868 but now lndia's per capita GDP even falls behind Bangladesh. Looks like It was wrong on lndia as well
@@stone1227 Behind bangladesh was in 2021. Look recent data and projections, India is becoming middle income country with percapita of 4000$ in 2030. ANd with de dollarisation in process this is will accelerate further as Indians have highest household gold and rupee will appreciate in long run.
@@stone1227 Bangladesh economic boom can not be sustained as it was just based on textile. India's economic base is must stronger with all types of companies and sectors growing.
@@swakal8868 don't make projections.
lndian economy is highly unpredictable and unsustainable.
Only 2 years ago, lndian economy shrank by a negative -8.6% contraction, one of the worst in the world.
China's economy is growing at 3% to 4% which far better than most Western countries can only dream off.
Even though China's manufacturing and construction sectors are struggling, it's high tech and service sectors are exploding with growth and these clowns are saying China collapsing.
China's economy is $19.3 Trillion, India's economy is $3.4 Trillion.
Even 3% growth in China is far more than the 6% in India.
Moreover China is doing far better than Germany, UK and the US as well.
correct
My country must be focusing on development based on public's interest instead of showing big numbers on papers like china
True...
🤣😂
China's Economic Numbers are Only Big On Paper
Says a Kid From Bihar Who Working in Chennai
If China's GDP Numbers are Overestimated
I Would Say Even India's GDP of $3.8 USD Trillion is Also Overestimated When Considering The Fact That India Lacks Industrial Set up Apart From 6-7 States
Build tolets 😂
China not only show big numbers , they deliver big results. Unlike Indians who type “Jai Hind” with Chinese brand phones in the morning and scam people from call center at night.
You haven't been to China have you.
India growing at 6% isbooming. China growing at 5% is collapsing. 😂😂
I am South Indian 😂
Theese Guys are Doing it For Likes and Views
It's quatorly not annual.
Anuual is
China - 3.7%
India - 8.2%
USA - (-2%) since covid 😢
@@-_dgsh India's Economic Growth Expected to Reduce to 6% in Next 2 Years Due to Rising Inflation
FYI
India's Economic Growth in FYI 2022-23 is 7.2%
@-_dgsh where did you get your information??
@@johnnywalker2870 Wikipedia
India may be a smaller economy as of now(comparatively), but if we can sustain 7-8% or even 6% for the next 30 years, we can easily become an economic superpower which can rival china.
as one more days India exist caste system, India never will be developed country
Lol now The world know how bad endia is at math
That would be the best. All best wishes to Bharat.
😂😂😂
Inflation and Population Left the chat
Just Use Calculator
@@user-eh9lp7hn6p We are the world's largest centre of Software developers which requires critical & algorithmic thinking to compute... You are challenging me? huh?
Why the deliberate attempt to make the Chinese president's absence a problem
Western syndrome of creating weaker global south.
When the leader of a country disappears during 'interesting' times, yes, that is a problem.
Whether it's Putin disappearing during a time of war, or Xi right after the flooding.
The leadership should be present during these times. If they do not fulfill their duties, they should not be in that position.
If india and china came together and work together in science and tech.... we both brothers can change the world ..... west always try also to break us
West not LAC skirmishes as far as I understand.
That aside. How is west trying to break you? India and China is getting different kinds of aid from west.
Millions of Indian youths scrambling over a few thousand government jobs is not a sign of unemployment crisis?
India's Unemployment Rate Rised to 7.8% in July 2023 From 6.9 in Jan 2023
No, not really. It is evidence of a long, persistent mindset. Government jobs have since British times been viewed as secure, and therefore desirable, especially in the North.
While it is now changing, it isn't gone yet. But it will.
Why go for govt jobs when you can go for private firms? Because of money? If we are greedy, it will not change.
@@plusultra7258
It's a deeply ingrained mindset, formed over a century that prizes secure but low growth over insecure but possibly higher growth.
For more than a century the people have seen no growth, so why be insecure? Now for the first time ever, growth is coming. So younger people are changing, but still not 100% can change in one shot overnight, right? The change will have to be gradual, like anywhere else.
But it is happening, and it is now irreversible.
INDIA DESERVE UNSC PERMANENT MEMBERSHIP .🇮🇳
They are a permanent Member in UN.
yes yes!!! Please!! It's high time!!
India is already a permanent UN member. Do you mean UN security council permanent member?
@@Komodo1312 yes!!
@@aliskiron4778 👍
China is already a technical power competing with EU and US. India is growing but has a lot to catch up in terms of infrastructural, component and skillset time
Wow, what a complex subject and world we live in. Thank you again DW for your excellent To The Point presentations!!!
China is a 17 trillion economy. India is just getting near 4 trillion. Maybe around 2030 it will be a better data point to analyse.
Agreed.
We need at least 2 decades to develop ourselves before seriously challenging China on every front.
No bro it sounds funny .
Let me explain this :-
If you have Rs100 and I have Rs 50
So I earn at the rate of 10 percent and you at 4 percent , then after some year I can earn same as your earnings and may be more and after some years I have more money than you have.
And main problem is your rate of interest is declined and mine increasing because of your policy, so you know what happen next.
@@shubhamkumarpandey8162 Do you math? lol and do you read what you write?
@@kumararya87 what's wrong with that.
Why not you correct me instead of saying anything.
I don't know what happen with today's people.
Don't you understand what I write.
@@kumararya87he is right
Correct him please
Educate and learn and prosper
I am not sure if the comparison is valid. China is five times bigger than India in every measurable category. It is better to compare US and China. China is close to 80% of US and it is expected that China will surpass US in GDP by 2030. That is a much more interesting comparison. But I guess the Western Media is so afraid of this eventuality, that they will keep talking about China and India to get the attention presure off US.
You should have been living in a cave, we know now for a fact that China's GDP is not going to surpass US ever, there are 100s of reports from think tanks and international institutions pointing this out, and they are not even considering economical decoupling in those projections which is going to have devastating effects on China's economy.
Seven, actually, in GDP. What China and India BOTH suck in is per Capita GDP.
" But I guess the Western Media is so afraid of this eventuality, that they will keep talking about China and India to get the attention presure [sic] off US."
Uh huh, if it let's you sleep at night to think that, soldier on. In reality, the West doesn't care. You guys are just like Russians. You think you are on everybody in the West's minds, when in fact, we don't think or care about you at all, not as far as competition goes. When it comes to scamming feeble old folks out of their savings you do kind of piss us off, though.
You guys have barely become visible on the economic scale yet. Sorry to break it to you. Go look up GDP and per Capita GDP, and you'll see what I'm talking about. In per Capita GDP you guys are in the bottom 30% of the first 200 countries. Yeah, we're just shaking in our boots here, wanna tell ya. You have 1/7th the GDP, and 1/15th the per Capita GDP of the US. You may get there, but for now, you are kind of a nit.
China has only one root weakness - the paranoia of CCP - otherwise It can be the top economy very soon
keep drinking the CCP koolaid LOL
Very True......... Indian story has just begun. N it will surpass china n america in 2040-50.
Im not pro-China but it seems like China is doing a good job in alleviating poverty unlike the situation in india
The ‘cool’ China’s growth is equivalent of India’s 1/3 GDP.
As a man from America, I don’t necessarily support India. The 21st century is a Chinese century. BRICS is good, don’t forget to support Kazakhstan since it could turn BRICS to BRICKS. Kazakhstan is huge and is about the size of India and its potential to be a growing economy is to not be underestimated. China is going to have a decent advantage over the area. China is better than India at many things. Japan’s economy is literally shrinking even if you were to use Japan’s nominal divided by their GDP deflator which means Japan’s is $6,486B in 2012 and $4,052B in 2023.
Bro India will have population of 1.7 billion in coming years so it's GDP growth will go due to population
A man from America.
Lier😂
A man from china (directly commenting by xi's jinping cyber cell headquarter)😅😅😂😂😂
As an American citizen I fully support India ...21st century is Indian century.....india is largest democracy ....with human rights .... fastest growing economy.... ancient civilization ..... great leadership....no history of supporting terrorism and making corona virus....no ex of missing FM for being economy boyfriend of an American girl😂😂
A very sincere and unbiased representation of the current global geopolitical situation.
Thanks to you all for making this video.
So does CCP run channel. They also don't show poverty, unemployment, factories shutting down and more. Thanks to channel like China Observer and China Insider with David Zhang exists. Else we would never know the real problem of China.@@darshanshetty300
you must be asleep while watching this trash. "Narendra Modi the Hindu nationalist prime minister of the world's largest democracy deals ruthlessly with political opponents and minorities ..." tells you everything you need to know about their sincerity and biasness.
Here is the reality. Unless China's GDP growth rate falls to negative or in total collapse, but if they grow by 4.2% per annum, then India must grow by at least 19.98% to keep the difference of the two countries' GDP gap unchanged at $14.44 trillion. Because China's GDP in 2023 was $17.76 trillion. That's 4.758 times of India's $3.732 trillion. 4.2% X 4.758= 19.98%. Even India's GDP growth rate is at 21% per annum, it will be only $37.5 billion more than China a year. So $14.44t/$37.5b (14440/37.5) =385, even working it out using compound rate, India still needs at least 200 years to catch up with China!
After years of "growth", lndia's per capita GDP now falls behind Bangladesh. The only growth in lndia is population.
We lndians should first compete with Bangladesh
This two great nations 🇮🇳 🇨🇳 should be ally and work together. The west actually want to divide this two nations.
I am also worried about immature triumphalism and slavish need for white man approval that young Indians tend to have - westerners have tapped into that psyche and would very much like India to be their poodle - luckily the old codgers at the helm in india for now have seen this movie before and are not poodles but wily foxes
I am Fund Manager in India. Indian Share markets are giving bumper returns. Golden 10 years are about to come. Invest in India for good returns.
but india law doesnt allow you to take the money out of the country, so what the use?
If I can have 1 dollar for every time someone says India will overtake China but ultimately failed to do so, I would be a multi-millionaire by now.
To catch-up with China easy said than done, 19 trillions vs 3.7 trillions is too big a gap, unless China stops growing completely which is extremely impossible ...😅
There is a certain point beyond which a spurt in growth becomes inevitable, and there is also a point beyond which sustained growth is not possible, especially with an ageing population and questionable basics.
Ya their population is declining 😂
@@aadithyaawali7484
Huge Population isn't ticket for success rather the quality is and combination of many factors ...
Look at those rich countries, they have much smaller population than India and China ...🤡😂
India and China's economies are not even comparable. Level of poverty in India is a mammoth challenge. Can we discuss collapsing EU economies including Germany's?
Btw where are you from bro?
@@AbhishekSingh-eo3vfhe from Africa most poorest country in the world.
Well buddy,This is very common comment you guys give whenever there is a talk about Bharat(India) and this is why i challenge you if you have a piece
intellect in yourself then prove it that Bharat(India) has a mammoth size of poverty.
DW has cracked the way to gain more viewers 🎉
😂😂😂
Its funny when the Chinese Spokesperson was saying the Truth about Chinese Dictatorship we all were loving his honesty even though he was criticizing it
But when the Indian Spokesperson was speaking Truth we put all kind of labels on her like Anti-Government, Anti -Modi and what not
Truly Double Standards of Andh-Bhakts
Like to ask the European lady why being a democracy is an advantage
"BRICS is so strong and ever united"🤣 🇮🇳⚔️🇨🇳
🇮🇷⚔️🇸🇦 🇪🇬⚔️🇪🇹
Ikr. I'm indian and even i think that brics will never be successful until they fix their internal and borderline problems and yea de-dollarisation is not going to work either. its almost funny people are actually believing it will. Anyways i hope my country get better in future
Country in recession is busy discussing problems in Chinese and Indian economy
germans still live better than 95% of Indians and 70% chinese but your andhbhakt behind don't understand that
German companies like Mercedes have been invested in India for a very long time, perhaps since India's independence. Germany doesn't have to do anything dramatically new to be move involved with India. VW, Audi, BMW, all have plants in India already and doing well.
The fact that there are 30x more Indians commenting than Chinese is the main difference.
We are connected with the globe in information discourse. That's the opposite for China.
In the report on Indu, DW mentions" Indian claimed territory" as being disputed. Actually China claims Arunchal Pradesh, an Indian state in NE as South Tibet and has renamed many towns and features. So actually China claims Indian held territories also as it's own, a stark difference between the approaches of both the countries. Moreover China is not inclined in demarcating the border as it wants to keep the issue alive.
yes
EMERGING ECONOMIC POWER JAI HIND 🇮🇳
😂😂😂😂
India's Economic Growth Expected to Reduce to 6.5% and 5.8% in FYI 2023-24 and FYI 2024-25
lol. India's growth is expected to increase by 8.1% by the end of the year fyi. Nice trying lying but you can't lie to someone who is updated to current affairs.@@KAN443
@@KAN443do u want india to not succeed? Why all ur comments are anti india?
@@Themystery321 😂🤣
First Know The Fact That India is No Where Near Developed Countries
If I Getting Anti Indian Comment By Bakths Like You For Telling Ground Reality 😂
Its Ok I am Proud to Be Anti Indian 🤡
India is Still a Import Based Economy unlike China
India still Lacks Industrial Set up Apart From 6-7 States
India Lacks Quality Education
India's Unemployment Rate Rised to 7.8 From 6.9% in January 2023
Go and See The Ground Reality
Yes , Jai BeHind
An indian reporter calling Indian territory as disputed territory... That even opposition in India don't say...
Always better to be 🇨🇳 + 🇮🇳 rather than 🇨🇳 vs 🇮🇳
Indians are ready, but may be Chinese want the second option.
Indian peoples are better then chinese they have emotions respect everyone.. they want peace not war 🇮🇳🇮🇳❤️❤️
yal literally the rape capital...emotions respect by rape is wild.
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮👎👎👎👎👎👎
Lmaooo yet online most of the overly-sensitive insecure little trolls filled with seething hatred are lNDlANS. 🤣🤡
Indian have a war training daily in manipur
What a PEACE country right ?
India is nothing more than Biden's little sidekick right now.
Don’t overestimate India. India is just a big developing country.
A British journalist attack and criticize Indian moon landing. Indians reactions were half angry and also half happy/proud. I read some comments posted like this: If they attack and criticize you it means you are successful and doing things right.
As a Chinese I can only smile at these comments while thinking of of P😡rki Wion
It was very happy feeling when we surpassed Britain in economy. Next is Germany. It will be fun.
Still GDP Per Capita is Lower Than Sub Sahara African Countries
but living on 2000-2500$ is not fun it is?
@@jetli740living cost i less we can easily live in 700 dollar month can u live in this money in ur country 😂
@@shubhamkumarsingh7300
so explain how per capita in india is 2500$
but you spend (700x12 =8400$) so you spend 4x more than you earn.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
It is fun because we know how to utilize maximum out of low budget. Hope you know about low cost space missions but nothing less in technology advancement... Nuclear power low budget you know? Hehe
The discussion needed to be more in-depth.
Momentum has a certain role to play in the next 4-5 years with India reducing some gap with China which would still be quite large though. However, more important point is how the two leaders manage their respective countries in the long term (till early 30s - Modi could be PM till 2034 and Xi president for lifelong).
What I see Modi is leading India towards incremental changes every day, week, month, and year forming cordial relationship with everyone and in 10 years it will pay rich dividend whereas Xi is antagonizing everybody, every year, month, week, and day.
None of the neighbours are happy with belligerant China and West is also acting against it.
China currently has Africa in their pockets because of raw money power and some middle east countries due to their resentment against West.
The world geo-politics would be very interesting from India's perspective in the next 5-10 years period.
How could India overtake China ? China has TikTok, Alibaba, Timu, :BYD, Xpeng, Huwei, Belt and Road structures all over Asia , Europe, Middle East and Africa, Space Station. China will always be 30 years ahead of India
India is not a bully!!
It's obvious that European narrative is always loaded towards a rivalry and enmity between India and China. It's a natural inclination considering that China and India represented the majority prosperity in the world in the past, and the trend is that it is going to be a repeat. The West fears that this common feature will relegate the West to an ignominious future as in the past. Despite the transgressions, India always avoids a direct confrontation in most aspects of China's aspiration, and acts towards a peaceful and prosperous future with China, as it will be inevitable for both countries to avoid the repeat of the West's colonialism.
I have started loving DW News!
Why this Indian girl Isha is so pissed off with PM Modi and India 🤔 Maybe she is not ready to accept the reality that India has arrived, under the leadership of PM Modi. And German needs to change their view on India and minority living in India. They voted for PM and its a democracy so its high time that German should stop interfering in Indian social system.
Everyone missed a main point the meeting is happening in arunachal pradesh and Kashmir where china claims there part.. if xi attends it they believe they have given the disputed region
No no let them take it pease of cake let them..😂
DW's India correspondent is does not have it's own views , just saying yes to other panels