The bandwidth is cripplef and it's impossible to run a 4K monitor at 60Hz and get USB at 10 Gbps at the same time (or drive any other thunderbolt device) when using a thunderbolt dock. Without a dock you can use the port to extract a displayport signal to drive a 4K monitor at 60Hz OR get USB at 10 Gbps OR drive a thunderbolt device. However you slice it the bandwidth is never enough. I ended up buying a Lenovo Utra dock to extract a displayport signal so that I can keep the thunderbolt port free. An X1 carbon would be a better option if you are interested in getting thunderbolt support. Alternatively, there are a few models from dell that do not cap the thunderbolt ports.
@@tegathemenace the T480 cannot use the same docking station as the T470. I don't know if the Pro docking station the T480 uses can output 4K@60Hz and USB at 10 Gb/s. X1 carbon from 6th gen have Thunderbolt with 4 lanes. They are cheaper now, although a Thinkbook 14 G2 could be a better modern option.
3:31 i would go with this type of charger over the USB-c type. Usb-c chargers for laptops is one of their dumbest decision laptop manufacturers have gone with. Usb c are also too thin and breaks easier and they have too thin connectors. and their keyboards is the same quality as i expect from any basic laptop. right now the newer thinkpad quality just feels the same quality as what i would expect from cheaper laptops from Hp, Acer and others, There's really nothing special about the Thinkpads anymore. And The main Lenovo Non-thinkpad laptops has one of the worst quality you can get. so for Lenovo products, ThinkPads is the one too go with and especially the older models.
exactly. I disagree on both the point about the storage as well as the charging port. The bulky kind on the Lenovo is much more reliable than the USB-C ones that seem to get damaged easily. It's purpose-built and only has 3 terminal, which is all you need for powering the unit. I do think that the Thinkpad series of laptops have very good durability when compared to other cheaper units. My disagreement with the point on the storage is that he presents the double M2 slots on the T480 as a better option. If it was an M2 and a SATA, it'd be a valid point since you can use a high capacity platter disk for data. One or two m2 slots is somewhat pointless when you can just upgrade your single M2 slot to a larger capacity drive.
I have such a strange problem, namely I bought two identical - post-leasing ThinkPad_y 470 20JN-S10V35 and despite the fact that they have the same BIOS version of the graphics system installed and the same Intel driver, in one the maximum screen resolution is 1920x1080 (and it should be) and in the other max it - 1600x900. The same is shown not only by Windows but also by the Lenovo Test run in the BIOS of the Motherboard. It is the same in Win 10 and Win 11. GPU -Z shows differences between the two Paws in BUS WIDTH - (good)-128bit / (bad)-64bit and Bandwidth (good)-34.1GB/s and (bad)-17.1GB /p. In addition, both laptops work decently - only the one with 1920x1080 has a nicer, brighter and more contrasting image. What do you think could be causing this?
@@finhas8865 Yes, exactly it turned out that there were two different Matrix Panels in them. The seller has already replaced my Laptop with one with the right Matrix Panels and it's OK.
Comparing the two devices, the X390 is a more compact and lightweight option if that's what you're after. To add to that, the display is also on the smaller side (13.3 inches). The X390 though does come with a more powerful CPU. The T470 in my opinion would be a better option, because the battery is hot swappable, the RAM, and storage are also both upgradeable which adds to the longevity of the device, because of that i would recommend the T470. If you want please let me know your budget so we could discuss alternative options, thanks.
This was not a good review for cons for everything you named off you said wasn't a problem. ie...the storage is a problem.... But there is plenty of storage?? Not all that helpful.
Using USB-C for charging is not very good idea. Very small jack, many thin pins, very easy to damage and changing such connector with so many pins on motherboard is expensive not easy job. I recommend magnetic adapter for it.
1. La batteria può essere ampliata e ce ne sono ben due, inoltre quella esterna si può sfilare e cambiarla con una carica mentre è acceso; 2. L’HDD può essere cambiato e addirittura aggiunto in formato m2, ci sono mille tutorial; 3. Il display opaco è adatto per lavorare all’aperto senza riflessi e schermi lucidi inutili da fighette; 4. La ricarica si può fare anche da usb thunderbolt; 5. Tre livelli di luminosità del Thinkpad ne valgono 6 di un Mac. Questi sono computer seri per gente seria. Non giocattoli per fighetti.
The good thing about this model is that it is being thunderbolt 3 supported which makes it pretty future proof in the upcoming years
The bandwidth is cripplef and it's impossible to run a 4K monitor at 60Hz and get USB at 10 Gbps at the same time (or drive any other thunderbolt device) when using a thunderbolt dock.
Without a dock you can use the port to extract a displayport signal to drive a 4K monitor at 60Hz OR get USB at 10 Gbps OR drive a thunderbolt device.
However you slice it the bandwidth is never enough.
I ended up buying a Lenovo Utra dock to extract a displayport signal so that I can keep the thunderbolt port free.
An X1 carbon would be a better option if you are interested in getting thunderbolt support.
Alternatively, there are a few models from dell that do not cap the thunderbolt ports.
@@bufordmaddogtannen is t480 better
@@tegathemenace the T480 cannot use the same docking station as the T470. I don't know if the Pro docking station the T480 uses can output 4K@60Hz and USB at 10 Gb/s.
X1 carbon from 6th gen have Thunderbolt with 4 lanes. They are cheaper now, although a Thinkbook 14 G2 could be a better modern option.
You're definitely right. A laptop is meant to be portable, but the battery doesn't let you use it unplugged for very long.
Love the humor st the end. Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The cellular modem slot can also be used for storage. You will need a more specific ssd though.
Great video man, very informative keep it up.
Wait 😮 ARE YOU USING A VINTAGE NOKIA PHONE
3:31 i would go with this type of charger over the USB-c type. Usb-c chargers for laptops is one of their dumbest decision laptop manufacturers have gone with. Usb c are also too thin and breaks easier and they have too thin connectors. and their keyboards is the same quality as i expect from any basic laptop. right now the newer thinkpad quality just feels the same quality as what i would expect from cheaper laptops from Hp, Acer and others, There's really nothing special about the Thinkpads anymore. And The main Lenovo Non-thinkpad laptops has one of the worst quality you can get. so for Lenovo products, ThinkPads is the one too go with and especially the older models.
exactly. I disagree on both the point about the storage as well as the charging port. The bulky kind on the Lenovo is much more reliable than the USB-C ones that seem to get damaged easily. It's purpose-built and only has 3 terminal, which is all you need for powering the unit. I do think that the Thinkpad series of laptops have very good durability when compared to other cheaper units.
My disagreement with the point on the storage is that he presents the double M2 slots on the T480 as a better option. If it was an M2 and a SATA, it'd be a valid point since you can use a high capacity platter disk for data. One or two m2 slots is somewhat pointless when you can just upgrade your single M2 slot to a larger capacity drive.
Great video, loved the part about the keyboard LOL
The T470 and the T480 have the exact same m.2 slots. 1 in the hdd caddy, and 1 originally used for wwan card.
Yeah.. It's the "s" models that are cut back on the upgradability.. (T480s and T470s)
I became subscriber 403 because of the music. Your video was great too!!!😅
WHAT ABOUT THE OPTICAL DRIVE FOR PLAYING CDS-DVDS IS THERE ONE
Can’t you clone the ssd to a bigger one?
I have such a strange problem, namely I bought two identical - post-leasing ThinkPad_y 470 20JN-S10V35 and despite the fact that they have the same BIOS version of the graphics system installed and the same Intel driver, in one the maximum screen resolution is 1920x1080 (and it should be) and in the other max it - 1600x900. The same is shown not only by Windows but also by the Lenovo Test run in the BIOS of the Motherboard. It is the same in Win 10 and Win 11. GPU -Z shows differences between the two Paws in BUS WIDTH - (good)-128bit / (bad)-64bit and Bandwidth (good)-34.1GB/s and (bad)-17.1GB /p.
In addition, both laptops work decently - only the one with 1920x1080 has a nicer, brighter and more contrasting image. What do you think could be causing this?
Most probably those two laptop use different panels
@@finhas8865 Yes, exactly it turned out that there were two different Matrix Panels in them. The seller has already replaced my Laptop with one with the right Matrix Panels and it's OK.
The second icon is KHKH....Is there a music download on that second icon??
What should I get?
Thinkpad x390
Or
Thinkpad T470
Can you help me guys?
Comparing the two devices, the X390 is a more compact and lightweight option if that's what you're after. To add to that, the display is also on the smaller side (13.3 inches). The X390 though does come with a more powerful CPU. The T470 in my opinion would be a better option, because the battery is hot swappable, the RAM, and storage are also both upgradeable which adds to the longevity of the device, because of that i would recommend the T470. If you want please let me know your budget so we could discuss alternative options, thanks.
T480.
@@rmcat6085 WHAT ABOUT THE OPTICAL DRIVE FOR PLAYING CDS-DVDS IS THERE ONE
This was not a good review for cons for everything you named off you said wasn't a problem.
ie...the storage is a problem.... But there is plenty of storage??
Not all that helpful.
Overall nicely done :)
Thank you
Using USB-C for charging is not very good idea. Very small jack, many thin pins, very easy to damage and changing such connector with so many pins on motherboard is expensive not easy job. I recommend magnetic adapter for it.
The icon that is the same as audacity. What's the name of the program that has the same icon as audacity??
What timestamp did you see the icon?
@@rmcat6085 This is 8seconds into the video....Also 2minutes 22seconds
@@rmcat6085 looks like they are talking about the 2:18 where it looks like its just an audacity file on the desktop
@@DefCantGame The second audacity icon is for music download...I can't think of the name.
The biggest thing is that the t470's are only dual core.. The t480's is quad core
You have the very small basic battery, it's only 24Wh
I have both the 61+ and 61++ that reaches 72Wh, quite a difference, it's just a bit more heavy
He said it but as he said it's too expensive and cost a quarter of the whole laptop paid
@@MainInternetUser I got mine for only 45 bucks shipping included, it's fairly reasonable
Can you upgrade it to win 11?
@@Justdan-o3z unfortunately not, the CPU is not supported
Very useful review! Thank you! 😄
Is this cpu supported by windows 11
Can I downlaod gta 4 on it properly ??
I ordered today online delivery in saudi ❤❤❤❤
1. La batteria può essere ampliata e ce ne sono ben due, inoltre quella esterna si può sfilare e cambiarla con una carica mentre è acceso;
2. L’HDD può essere cambiato e addirittura aggiunto in formato m2, ci sono mille tutorial;
3. Il display opaco è adatto per lavorare all’aperto senza riflessi e schermi lucidi inutili da fighette;
4. La ricarica si può fare anche da usb thunderbolt;
5. Tre livelli di luminosità del Thinkpad ne valgono 6 di un Mac.
Questi sono computer seri per gente seria. Non giocattoli per fighetti.
Nice information ty
great vid ty!
Buy the Lenovo t470s
battery is good
@ISCARI0T The T480s doesn't have the external (swappable) battery.. like the T480 does. I'm assuming the T470s is the same
Can't hear you
WTF!
Keep crying
😂😂
Stupid comment. I hope you're just kidding