ROPE SOLO DEMONSTRATION WITH GRIGRI | SWISSPOWERJET
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READ THE WHOLE TEXT IT IS IMPORTANT!!!!!!! THIS IS THE WAY HOW I MAKE IT. SOLO CLIMBING IS DANGEROUS BUT THIS IS THE BEST TECHNIQUE TO USE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO CLIMB SOLO. I MYSELF DO THIS TECHNIQUE ONLY AT EASY CLIMBS. EVERYBODY MUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIMSELF. Above all, this technique increases the risks to the climber. Firstly, the climber does not hold the brake side of the rope. Additionally, in case of a fall ,the GRIGRI can be blocked against the rock, the positioning system (positioning strap), or other, thus negating its braking function. The climber could fall to the ground. NEVER FORGET THE STOPER KNOT. ROPE SOLO CLIMBING, WITH THE BEST POSSIBLE SAFETY, HAS ALSO ITS VALUE IN THE CLIMBING SCENE.
USE A THICK ROPE SO THAT THE GRIGRI BLOCKS FASTER!
AT LEAST 10.5 MM DIAMETER!
CHOOSE EASY ROUTES A3 / A4!
SET UP AT THE FIRST REACH OF THE SUMMIT A TOPROPE!
ALWAYS DO A SELF-CHECK BEFORE CLIMBING!
USE A RIGHT GOOD CARABINER, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT BOUND BY HARNESS!
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PUT YOURSELF AT EVERY SAFETY POINT IN THE GRIGRI, SET A RUBBER AND GIVE ROPE FOR THE NEXT STEP!
I DON'T USE THE ROLLNLOCK ANYMORE, BECAUSE IT IS TO DIFFICULT TO GIVE ROPE OUT.
I USE A NEW SYSTEM - MOVIE IS ON WORK - I GIVE THE LINK HERE WHEN I AM FINISH. - บันเทิง
Probably the best rope solo video. Thanks man
THANKS - HERE MY NEWEST ROPO SOLO MOVIE
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loved this video! you explained everything
ho thanks a lot - but this was for long time ago - now i have a better solution
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Thank you for sharing. I really like the idea with the rubber rings. I used thin acessory cord.... I think I will adapt this to my system.
Have you ever considered using a system with half ropes?
HALLO RIPPERKON, SORRY FÜR DIE SPÄTE ANTWORT.
NÖ.
WIRD WAHRSCHEINLICH KOMPLIZIERT.
KÖNNTE MIR EIN HÜFTGURT MIT 2 ABSEILRINGEN UND 2 GRIGRI VORSTELLEN (SO AUF DIE SCHNELLE ÜBERLEGT)
COOLER CHANNEL HAST DU. GRATULATION.
ICH HABE BEIM KLETTERN AUCH IMMER KAPFHOSEN UND EIN TACTICAL LEIBCHEN AN.
GRUND: KNIESCHONER UND ARMSCHONER. DA KANNST DU SO RICHTIG GAS GEBEN :-)
GRUSS JET
Awesome informative video, what is the point of using rubber bands?
In order to be lighter coul be also good a non autolockant system with a prusik?...i hate autolockant system as grigri because thwy always go locked if you use rope bigger than 8...i think that coupd become a proble in solo climbing...need to find some more efficient way...anyway not that matter but i think that the mamut is the best half autolockant system
Good quick summary of how lead rope solo works, thanks! The music was much louder than the rest of the audio though
HELLO, THANK YOU FOR QUESTION.
FIRST REASON:
THE CARABINES ON THE STAND NEED TO LOOK UP (NO QUER LOAD). ALSO, YOU HAVE TO TIGHTEN THE ROPE AT THE FIRST QUICK DRAW , FOR THE CARABINES TO LOOK UP.
SECOND REASEON:
THE ROPE MUST BE STAYED AS POSSIBLE, NO SLACK IN THE ROPE BECAUSE IN CASE OF A FALL YOU DO NOT FALL TOO FAR DOWN.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IN THIS MOVIE AS WELL:
th-cam.com/video/s7JsB8iy-DU/w-d-xo.html
BETTER THAN NORMAL RUBBER RINGS ARE SILIKON RUPPER WIRSTBANDS. THAT I FOUND OUT IN A VIEW DAYS.
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GRUSS JET
th-cam.com/video/s7JsB8iy-DU/w-d-xo.htmlIN THIS SERIE YOU CAN WATCH, THAT THE HANDLING WITH THE ROLLNLOCK WASN'T POSSIBLE ANYMORE
@@SWISSPOWERJET hi, just wondering why you stopped using the RollNLock? Vegan here too :)
THATS WAS TO COMPLICAT - THIS VERSION WITH THE LEG BINER IST MUCH MORE BETTER
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THANKS SWISSPOWERJET
Thanks for the video! So you need both hands to feed the rope through the rollnlock - what do you do if the route is steep enough, i.e. only one hand could be freed at a time?
go for Top Rope Solo it is much mor fun and safer
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Hi man. a small curiosity-detail.. Can i ask you why in the anchor you prefered to make an 8 and a butterfly and not two 8 knots? thanks
HALLO FELICE - SORRY FOR THE LATE ANSWEAR.
I LIKE THE BUTERFLY - TWO 8 KNOTS ARE GREAT AS WELL.
I like how you secure the slack with rubber bands.
do this - it is more fun and sfer
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is the chest harness designed as a fall arrest becuase if not then you could be pulled out of the chest loops if the rollnlock engages and is the only thing arresting your fall (if grigri breaks). is the grigri attached to the harness? what did you set up in case the grigri breaks?
HI
YES CHEST HARNESS IS FALL ARREST.
GRIGRI IS ON THE HARNESS LOOP.
I DON'T USE THE ROLLNLOCK ANYMORE IN THIS SYSTEM BECAUSE THE HANDLING WITH PULLING OUT ROPE IS TO DIFFICULT.
I DO IT THIS WAY AT THE MOMENT:
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AND I TO THIS WITH THE GRIGRI ONLY IN FOR ME EASY CLIMBS. WHEN IT IS GETTING TO DIFFICULT I ALWAYS DO TOPROPE WITH TWO ROPBES AND TWO ROPE CLAMP, THE ROLLNLOCK AND THE ROPEMAN TWO.
The realistic failure mode of the grigri though is that it won't cam. Another device braking will cause it to cam. Even if you load the grigri backwards it will successfully lock and the majority of the weight will be transmitted through the grigri and not the backup device.
wow man lots of trust in your system
I DONT KNOW HOW DO YOU MEAN THAT EXACTLY BUT ....
THIS WAS IN THE BEGINNING OF MY CLIMBING SPORT.
ROPE SOLO FROM THE BUTTOM IS ALWAYS TRICKY.
EVRY TIME I CLIMB I FOUND BETTER WAYS TO DO THAT.
IN THIS CASE YOU CAN BE SO PRETTY INNOVATIVE, BECAUSE NO ONE HAS A 100% GOOD SOLUTION.
BUT VERY OFTEN I GO ON TRIPS WITH SAC T6 (SCHWIERIGES BERGWANDERN) AND THERE I CAN USE THAT VERY PROPPER. I DON'T LIKE TO BE NOT SECURED. AND THERE YOU CAN USE ROPE SOLO FROM THE BUTTOM FOR YOUR SAFTY. WATCH MY WEEKLY UPLOADS AND YOU WILL SEE IT.
TO CLIMB IS FUN AN IF YOU CHOOSE A PITCH IN THE FOREST OR SO, WHERE YOU CAN WALK AROUND AND ABSEIL FIRST IS ROPE SOLOING SECURED WITH TWO PULLY SYSTEMS FOR ME THE MOST FUN.
BE SAFE SWISSPOWERJET
What is the other device for? Backup? If the grigri does not grab and the backup does, will it not create a 2:1 pulley between your chest and waist, potentially hurting your body?
HI ERIC MOSS - THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT
IN CASE OF FALL
IF THE GRIGRI WILL NOT CATCH, THE ROLLNLOCK WILL CATCH AND IN THIS MOMENT THE GRIGRI WILL CLOSE. I THINK THERE IS NO PULLEY BETWEEN YOUR CHEST AND WAIST, BECAUSE THE GRIGRI WILL CLOSE IN THE SAME MOMENT AS THE ROLLNLOCK IS CLOSING AND THE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO SYSTEMS ARE COMMING VERY CLOSE IN A FALL. LOOK IN THE VIEDEO AT 2.52. THEREFORE IT IS NOT A PROBLEM.
WHEN YOU FEED OUT OF THE BACKPACK (WHAT IS THE BEST VARIANT FROM MY VIEW),
YOU MUST PULL OUT SEVERAL METERS ROPE FOR YOUR NEXT MOVE.
NOW:
YOU NEED FOR GOOD ROPE GUIDANCE, ANYWAY A BINER.
THE ADVANTAGE, FROM THE ADDITIONAL ROLLNLOCK IS, ... THE DOUBLE SAFETY.
WITH ADDITIONAL STOPPER KNOT, YOU WILL HAVE TRIPLE SAFETY.
THE ROLLNLOCK IS A VERY GOOD INVESTMENT.
I ALWAYS RECLIMB WITH THIS SYSTEM FROM "RIPPERKON" - GREAT.
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@@natetronn Rollnlock locks it self , no need for a knot I guess, right?
@@majkelb3057 never mind, it was closed in position for a catch (I thought it was open at one point for some reason; my mistake.)
Standard chest-mounted grigri arrangement with an extra RollNLock. That does work, but with the rope in a backpack I'd switch to an Edelrid Eddy and skip the RollNLock.
Why? The Eddy is 160g heavier than a GriGri+ and 280g heavier than a RollNLock.
@@chriswright7083 Because it basically works a thousand times better than this combination and the weight is irrelevant.
@@jhealy3718 Can you elaborate why it is better?
Well It does work ... but I guess sometimes it is all about personally flavour. The question should be, is the other one safer than the other? :)
@@FredrikMalmstroem Everyone has to find their own answer to that one...
Hi. Nice video bro)
THANKS - I SAW YOU ARE A NATUR FREAK AS WELL :-))
Hello. Could you use a ropeman 2 or any other accender for a backup for a lead solo? Or do you have to use a Roll N Lock
HI CAIS CROWE - THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.I DONT USE ANY BACK-UP WITH ROLLNLOCK ANYMORE. BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A GOOD HANDLING.THE ROPE SOULD FEED THE GRIGRI ALWAYS, WHEN YOU ON MOVE. SO I USE AT THE MOMENT ONLY BACKUP KNOTS. BUT I FOUND AN OTHER WAY AS WELL , THAT THE GRIGRI CATCH YOU ERLIER.SO RIGHT KNOW, I GO FROM THE GRIGRI DOWN TO A LEG BINER AND THAN UP OVER THE SHOLDER.A NEW VIDEO IS IN PRODUCTION AN WILL BE SHOWN AT THE 24.5. ON MY CHANNEL.
BE SAFE. SWISSPOWERJET
SWISSPOWERJET Thanks for the response. I really look forward to the new video man. I appreciate the quality you put into them. When do you think it should be out?
Really appreciate you i knew it how to lope solo but I’m wondering why you put rubber to lope..? Please teach me
THIS MOVIE IS FROM 2018 - HOW I DO THIS IN 2020
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Nice video!! Why using elastic rubber?
THANKS - SO YOU DONT HAVE SLACK IN THE ROPE - BUT BETTER AND MORE FUN IS TO ABSEIL DOWN FIRST AND CLIMB WITH ...th-cam.com/video/yIULnlrhFMo/w-d-xo.html
@@SWISSPOWERJET I really wonder with rope dynamic how this can be really effective if the rope extends a lot when you have 50m done for example. I feel the quickdraw would be pull up by the rope and the rubber could then break (not a problem in itself), throwing the quickdraw quickly on the wall (not too good). All this is on a fall ofc.
What are the rubber bands for?
Rubber bands stop the rope slowly creeping back through the draws and potentially leaving excess rope to take a big whipper on or hitting the deck if close enough to the ground. Always keep check there is no excess slack on the anchor side of the rope.
Many folks tie a clove hitch around the biner, which kinda does the same thing but not as elegantly. The clove hitch runs the risk of pulling (trad) gear with an upward tug, and limits the amount of rope you have out if clipped to a bolt (increasing the fall factor). The only downside I see to the rubbers is that you cant get them on with one hand.
Using rollnlock to assist grigri locking is clever. However, I've had grigri go to bad place in carabiner and carabiner holding grigri can get twisted or even side loaded. I've not broken the biner with that but others have. I've had a risk of twisting even with rubber stoppers on the carabiner. (Using a cord/sling can help there, large mallons can also take more side load when they fit)
I tend to use a different backup device on belay loop because of that. If chest harness was connected to belay loop by some means , chest harness mounted decice could also act as backup in case grigri carabiner fails.
I've had some toothed pulley device that can be locked open lock open when climbing. I think that does not happen easily with roll'n'lock that needs using the two side buttons but I avoid all devices that can lock open to pulley mode for any backup catching. Better to avoid all faiure modes you can.
The black diamond gridlock biner would solve the crossloading issue. And I *think* it's steel?
@@oogemsquagger91Those type carabiners reduce the risk of crossloading. I've seen a grigri once lock on a bad position with twisting motion. In that case even those carabiners are not safe.
They do usually avoid typical crossloading from side to side very well. Unfortunately devices like grigri have plates with edges and those can grab on to carabiner locks and even a carabiner side portion. I was really supprised to see the latter happen!
If anyone is still looking at this dmm makes locking beners worth an internal wire gate and a ridge on the spine of the carabiner to block cross loading it is ne’er impossible to cross load this
@@Jwynne_ Several other manufacturers make those kind of belay beners that have the belay loop always at right position.
With such, I've seen a grigri yet go to the side and when twisted lock up to the spine of carabiner.
In soloing, it is good idea to always assume something like that can happen and when you eg. twiist grigri on thew spine, it may not take typical force anymore. Better to have a proper carabiner but yet to still have some kind of backup just in caese.
I think the belay carabiners trying to prevent cross loading have become very available in multiple ways from many manurfacturers just over couple years or so.
so its likely caving SRT system made of diy alp pieces. why not use caving sys redundant and safe with no excuses like 2mm rope for nothing but fall
How did you attach the little cord to the grigri for attaching it to your chest harness?
look at google - grigri modifizieren and pictures
how do you connect that lil cord to the bottom of the grigri? thanks for the video!
just drill a hole in the grigri - th-cam.com/video/M7vYvJenmkE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for asking and good climb: th-cam.com/video/zxh4wwXzMXE/w-d-xo.html
kannst du eine anleitung empfehlen bzgl. der grigri modifikation?
www.bergundsteigen.at/file.php/archiv/2010/1/50-54%20%28gesichertes%20soloklettern%29.pdf
So just to clarify you never tie an 8 around your harness only going through the gri gri?
He is only attached to the rope with the mechanical devices, the gri gri and the roll n lock on the chest.
But you can also do LRS with only ropes and carabiners to your harnest, but don't forget to have some descender with you ... :)
hi together - this movie is an old lady - like i describe in the text. for sure to climb with pleasure - find an easy way to the top (walk around) - search for a tree or some proper anchor and first abseiling and clean the pitch and after you can climb with my system what i describe in this movie
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it is more fun and you can climb safe seeya
Shouldn't the rope be below the grigri for it to catch proper
thanks for comment - this is like i do in 2023
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Where on the grigri did you attach the red cord?
i posted two pictures on my Insta right now
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@@SWISSPOWERJET thanks, there is this method that you open a hole in the metal and plastic part. WhatsApp dp you think are the pros and cons of each method?
So the question I have that I can never find the answer to is what do you do when you reach the top? Do you have to climb back down the same way and unclip each quick clip you placed going up??
YES BUT THERE ARE MANY OPTIONS. IT DEPENDS WHAT DO YOU WANT AFTER THAT.
IF YOU WANNA ABSEIL ONCE YOU CAN USE THIS.
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IF YOU WANNE RECLIMB MORE TIMES YOU SHOUD INSTALL TWO ROPES LIKE THIS... WATCH AT 8:42
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BEST SIDE TO LEARN IS...
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Yea you're supposed to rap down and clean on the way. Then jumar back up the route with ascenders. So basically you have to climb every pitch twice.
Anthony yang thanks for the answer! what about a place that doesn’t have a walking trail down. Just a rock face (idk how often this would happen) I just think it’s interesting
@@earlybro19 for sure! That's pretty common actually, not all routes are walk offs, in fact I would say more are not walk offs. In which case you just rappel down like you would on any multipitch route, anchoring at the rap stations or using natural anchors.
If you don’t know the answer to that, you really shouldn’t be contemplating any type of roped soloing.
All it takes is the system you’re using To fail once and that’s it for you. If you don’t know the limitations and potential for failure. I sure wouldn’t want to trust my life to that roll n’ lock in a dynamic fall if/when that gri-gri ever fails to engage, clipped where it’s clipped, in a non load bearing point on that chest harness.
But hey, we always need people to re-prove that Darwin‘a theory. 😂
I don't understand what the Rubber Band does?
Thanks for asking - Lead Solo Climbing - How to Unweight the Live Rope to Prevent Backfeed (2022 update!) - go to this in YT
Good rope stacking, but the RollNLock renders the system more or less unworkable and isn't necessary. My only other comment would be please don't drill bottom anchors for rope soling.
thanks for your comment - watch my other movies about rope solo - the system is always being improved
Carrying the whole rope in the rucksack might work for short routes, but for really long routes this setup is unrealistic.
yes you are right - this was at the start of my climbing career - better setup is comming sool
...not sure why all these Einstein's are poking so many holes in this. If rope solo'ing is your thing, this is a pretty solid setup. any of you critics who actually rope solo have better suggestions?
HALLO TRAVIS MESSER - THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENT - I LIKE IT. THE ROPE SOLO CLIMBING IS A PROCESS. I DID THIS IN 2018. IN 2020 I DO MOST OF THE TIME FROM THE TOP AN RECLIMB LIKE THIS - th-cam.com/video/S39Bp_8jWz4/w-d-xo.html
Too many casual climbers I think
You're right, too many opinionated dabblers. There are endless 'systems' which 'work' for lead rope soloing, but for me it's a matter of the degree they intrude on the rhythm and flow of my movement which I personally consider the greatest source of my 'safety'. To elaborate on that, I'm basically soloing with a rope backup system and I don't need my backup system to have a backup system which only interferes with my movement. Having been lead trad rope soloing for over four decades and many thousands of pitches variously with no device at all, all the devices at some point or another, a grigri for 14 years, and now the Eddy for 15 years the best suggestion is study the options and figure out what works for you but, after that's said and done, what percentage of the time are you climbing versus fucking with 'the system' and are you constantly getting jerked back from the flow of climbing to deal with some aspect of the system. If I can't get 'the system' to fade into an almost autopilot background activity that's just part of the rhythm and flow of my movement then it's not worth using.
@@jhealy3718 serious question, are you not using your rope as back-up at some point your system. eg figure 8 clipped to belay loop even every 10m? I'm an experienced trad climber looking to make the transition. I agree otherwise that its essentially soloing with a backup with need to move quickly being the priority
Man U got a boat load of gear for that 5,5 maybe 5,7 climb 👍
I AM THE CLIMBING VERSION FROM RICO THE PENGUIN :-))
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@@SWISSPOWERJET Why the gloves?
NO REASON - SOMETIMES YOU LIKE IT SOMETIMES NOT :-))
JFC this video is for lead rope soloing, the video you link in the description saying "this is how I do this in 2020" is TR soloing which is entirely different (and way safer)
thanks for your comment - yes from bottom to top it is always difficult and i like it safe - so in 2021 i go first arround an easy way if its possible and after i abseiling and than i climb with this
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Think I'll wait for a belay buddy or go bouldering
I have practiced soloing and having a belayer is simply easier for pulling slack otherwise you gotta do it yourself. This is method is tempting though because I climb alot more than most people so its difficult to constantly find partners so yeah you gotta be passionate about climbing to even consider this
What are the rubber bands doing in this system?
HELLO, THANK YOU FOR QUESTION.
FIRST REASON:
THE CARABINES ON THE STAND NEED TO LOOK UP (NO QUER LOAD). ALSO, YOU HAVE TO TIGHTEN THE ROPE AT THE FIRST QUICK DRAW , FOR THE CARABINES TO LOOK UP.
SECOND REASEON:
THE ROPE MUST BE STAYED AS POSSIBLE, NO SLACK IN THE ROPE BECAUSE IN CASE OF A FALL YOU DO NOT FALL TOO FAR DOWN.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IN THIS MOVIE AS WELL:
th-cam.com/video/s7JsB8iy-DU/w-d-xo.html
BETTER THAN NORMAL RUBBER RINGS ARE SILIKON RUPPER WIRSTBANDS. THAT I FOUND OUT IN A VIEW DAYS.
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GRUSS JET
Awkward butterfly..
I DONT GET IT ? JOKE OR EXPRESSION?
LOOK TO THIS
www.vdiffclimbing.com/alpine-butterfly/
....AT THE END
GRUSS SWISSPOWERJET