@@kajojo2399 nah the “5” level cards in both AMD and Nvidia is not worth it, it is always a good idea to save up for a few more months to actually get what you want instead. The 6500 xt is significantly weekend than the next in line 6600 and the 1650 is significantly slower than the next in line 1660 or 2060
Remember the days of a $500 flagship? Even then, I went for the mid range cards as $500 seemed like an unreasonable amount to spend. I recently got a used 3080 FE for $500 and it felt like I was finally able to live out my childhood dreams of buying a flagship card for flagship price. But today's definition of flagship has bloated so much. Endramble
The GTX 580 was released in November 2010 for £400 The GTX 1050Ti (which was a tad faster in some respects) came out in October 2016 and cost about £150 6 years for a £150 card to go toe to toe with the flagship from 6 years ago I'm still waiting for the 1080Ti's version of that card
Tech channels are now like these car TV programs where you watch stuff you'll never own. But contrary to the TV they'll never brand them as such, they'll still review them as if most people realistically aimed for cards like 4090 lol
Just built a system with an RX 6600 that I picked up for $300 CAD, it is quite the value at the moment. Feels like the good old days before GPU prices entered the stratosphere.
RX 6600 is insane for its price, I'd definitely recommend it over the 2060, 3050 and 3060. Driver issues are barely noticeable. Despite many people saying they're worse than Nvidia, I actually prefer them due to the more simplistic interface. The drivers aren't worse, just not all games support them as much as they do Nvidia drivers.
its literally barely better than a 1060 3gb that release 7 years ago, at 1,5x the price..... under no sun on no world in no galaxy in no single universe is this a good deal, its the definition of stagnation...
Another downside at the moment is that if you want the latest amd processors, you are paying at least £250 premium for the motherboard and memory, so you're basically restricted to previous gen if you care at all about price. I miss when I bought my R9 270 for £130, then my 1660 super for £200, which I thought was very expensive at the time. Now, pretty much nothing in the 3000 or 4000 series from nvidia is even below £300.
So true. I remember looking for 1060 to upgrade and when I saw that $200+ price I was bewildered. How come a mid-range GPU cost that much. Now I want to go back to those times, when building a PC did not require selling your kidneys.
Thank you for highlighting the "Discrete" in that wccftech article you show about intel gpus, I was about to make a fool of myself explaining how its probably counting the integrated graphics as gpus. That number does seem incredibly high but if its really the case I'm looking forward to the 2nd generation of intel cards.
I believe that article is referring to GPU shipments throughout Q3 and not total market share. It additionally includes laptops, which also slightly alters the outlook. Going by their numbers, or rather JPR's, the sale numbers in millions of units sold: Desktop: AMD: 0.69 (10%) Intel: 0.26 (4%) Nvidia: 5.94 (86%) Total: AMD: 1.05 (8%) Intel: 0.62 (4%) Nvidia: 12.19 (88%) For context: Q3'21 had shares of Nvidia 83%, Intel 0%, and AMD 17% Q2'22 had shares of Nvidia 80%, Intel 5%, AMD 15% That is to say that Intel sold more Discrete GPUs through laptops than they did as standalone GPUs. The numbers and terminology is a tad misleading, as it's intended to be used in the context of market outlook and investment, but it's still a decent accomplishment for Intel. So just to riterate: The 8% and 4% numbers are NOT total marketshare, but rather share of shipped GPU's during Q3 2022.
@@c-simile1632 yeah, to me, laptop discrete counts the same as laptop integrated as to what people that actually care about hardware would buy. People that get laptops with intel discrete are the same that get integrated graphics because they just arent tech savvy enough, it's the same people that get 1650s. Not dissing, but I think it's important to mention.
Love the PowerColor Fighter series - real legitimate actual 2-slot cards with good thermals & a sensible understated design that doesn't make me feel ridiculous buying it which doesn't crowd out all the other PCI expansion slots in my case. Even the 6700XT stays within the 2 slot boundary. Outstanding stuff.
I have the Powercolor Fighter RX 6800, a good card. It is not the best RX 6800 out there, but it gets the job done with a small OC and Undervolt. Temps are really good and design is simple.
I love that you mainly focus on the monetary aspect, like buying cost and power consumption. Im keen on seeing your review of the new zen 4 apu chips , ONCE AMD finally releases them
@@dankcreme3687 upgrade when you need to, the 1070 is still a solid card and if its running the games you play well enough then don't get an upgrade for the sake of an upgrade. Unless you really want to build a new system and have the money spare that is.
I bought r5 1600 brand new when it released and recently I picked up r5 5600 for 160€. Just a quick bios update and I got really nice upgrade. Really makes me happy to go AM4, I wish AM5 will live up to it. I also upgraded my graphics from RX480 to used RX5700XT for 190€! It was really nice upgrade as well. I recommed to look for used gpus because right now new ones are still overpriced. I also was exited when Intel came to graphics but their pricing was a big dissapointment to me. If the A770 would have been around 200€ maybe I would have bought it. Really enjoy your content about tech. You seem so sensible compared to other big tech influencers.
Last year when you made your video about the Rx 6500 Xt I bought it and never regretted it, it can play literally every single game, even Elden Ring at Med settings. Thanks alot
I've managed to get 3050 this February thinking that it might be now or never. This summer I could get 3060ti for the same price and with 4000 series pricing I'm not as optimistic about upgrading as I was before. Wish I'd known that the compromise of getting a slightly overpriced but available 3050 will only get worse with time.
I've got an RX6600 this past christmas. It's the first GPU i've had, but wow. this thing handles stuff at 1080p better than i thought it would. Go for it!
This last year I bit the bullet and built myself a PC with a 6700 XT, a Ryzen 9 5900x and 32gb of RAM. I have it in a slightly older Corsair 750d case, so I even added a Blu-ray drive to it even though I won't necessarily use it too often. I don't think I'll need to upgrade until years from now.
I'll need to be trying to build a really budget pc for 300 later this year I'm glad I have old graphics cards lying around, even if they're things like the r9 380 :l Your build is very very useful for this, thank you very much
@@jonathanzimm5511 I'm very glad to hear! that makes me glad, the computer is for my sister's boyfriend's son to play roblox and stuff like that. I can't imagine it'd be too intensive, but if he ever starts playing things that are more intensive then I don't want it to just be a slideshow
Having lived through the last 3rd party gpu attempt in the 2000s as a 12 year old, witnessing the Volari Duo debacle go down on now retro review goldmine ixbt labs... My dad who gave me the love for gaming hardware; actually bought one of those Club 3d ones sold where I grew up in Europe just out of morbid curiosity. Trust me Intel pulled off a slam dunk launch in comparison, as sad as that sounds. At least Arc's Drivers are rapidly improving, moreso in older games.
I'm excited for ARC because of its video encoding potential. I'm looking for a new GPU for my NAS and if support from 3rd party companies improves I will be jumping on an A380
I think both rdna3 and ada support av1 encoding natively, so unless they artificially limit their cards all new gpus should have the same capabilities as intel, so keep an eye out!
@@EnzoBergstrom Using AV1? Or HEVC? Mainly interested in real time transcoding and looking at some of the hardware AV1 encodes even below 10Mbit/s they look pretty good.
@@EnzoBergstrom Not even remotely true. The evidence is in the VMAF scores. Intel has been on top of encoding for years now with their IGPs and Quicksync. Arc and AV1 dont change that, they still are a notch above Nvidia and AMD, and reviewers like Eposvox show that in their reviews.
It's always fun to run across a video that echoes the same exact sentiment I have for the hardware market right now. Glad a lot of us agree (from what I can see in the comments).
5:22 omg he mentioned my graphics card,i worked for almost a year in one of the poorest counterys in the word and i spent it on one gpu.it make me so happy that one of my favorites TH-camr suggest me to get it when i got it a week ago !thank you
omg he would buy the gou taht i bughe right now in hes videos as well ! im so happy that a got somthing that at least is good enughe for him to choose it!
I'm still happy with my 2060 laptop from 2020. This push for 4K gaming is really taking a toll for those who want the latest and greatest. For me, 1080p (with high enough refresh rates) is still more than acceptable for modern titles. I think I rather wait a couple of years more, at least until budget cards become good enough to game at 4K as the norm.
@@2kliksphilip Well it was a pretty good ad for a steam deck, I've been wanting one for quite a while now and I just didn't expect it in this video. Now I might just get it for my birthday :)
I was quite excited to hear Intel was coming out with GPUs and I put my money where my mouth is. I did a sideways "upgrade" from a 1070ti to an Arc A770.. I'm shockingly pleased with it so far, and I'm excited to see what progress Intel will make with the drivers. Performance is a bit better than my old card, and of the games I have tried I haven't found any major issues.
@@raylxh1925 Well, my feedback on it is likely similar to that of tech reviewers, and I haven't done tons of testing as I've only had the card for about a week, but sure. For starters, it's probably important to mention my PC: - i9 9900k - 32GB DDR4 - 1TB RAID0 SSD boot disk - 1000w Gold EVGA PSU - Arc A770 Limited Edition /w 16gb of ram. - I have a 1440p 144hz display It's important to note that with this system, I do not have PCIe gen 4, but I was lucky in that my motherboards were one of the few z370 chip set boards to get resizable bar support added. Without resizable bar, this would have been a really stupid purchase. Not having PCIe gen 4 doesn't seem to make much of a difference, as far as I can tell. First impressions with the physical hardware: - The packaging is really nice, maybe a bit overdone considering the price of the GPU, but it is nice. - The GPU is built like it's a laptop, which both makes it more complicated to perform any kind of work on it, and that also means intel is probably spending way too much money on the actual assembly of it. - Despite being smaller than my 1070ti, the A770 is physically heavier - The A770 is a very pretty card and it looks great in my PC. The good: - While emulating Breath of The Wild with Cemu (1440p, cranked AA, view distance, and everything else to it's maximum), it actually had more stable framerate than my old card - When I tired to play BeamNG drive, it ran great and I was able to crank the settings a bit higher than my old card, with similar performance. - Dirt Rally 2.0 with settings absolutely cranked runs amazingly - 3DMark Port Royal (ray tracing benchmark) puts the A770 between a RTX 3060ti and a RTX 3070 in terms of ray tracing performance. - When I tried the XeSS feature test in 3DMark, it gave a 50% uplift with the quality preset, and XeSS actually improved the visual quality as it seemed to clear up some visual oddities that were there without it The okay: - I'm really excited to have newer features such as AV1 encoding and decoding. I've enabled AV1 in TH-cam playback, it's never crashed once, looks great, and the bitrate is definitely lower than vp9 while retaining the same visual quality, which is great. But, as it stands, there aren't many situations when I can take advantage of the AV1 encoding on it. Discord just got support for AV1 encoding, but I believe it's only for RTX 4000 cards. - When I tried GTA V, the performance seemed to be a bit worse than my 1070ti. To be fair, it's still pretty good as I'm playing it at 1440p with most of the settings set to their maximum, but the performance dips more and it doesn't feel as smooth. - The driver software. It's okay and is slightly better than it used to be, but it needs a lot of work. For example, there isn't any way to remove a game from the game list. It's also a huge driver download. The not great: - Portal RTX completely refuses to launch. It seems like the Intel drivers may not support every feature that the card tries to use. Some people reported it as somewhat working on a older driver version, but I had no such luck. - While Cemu did have much better performance on the Arc card for me, it also has some minor graphical bugs with a few specific items in the game, but it's pretty minor and is easily ignore-able. - Overclocking. It's just.. vague without any proper indication on what exactly you are changing with the performance slider - You are in a lot of ways, a beta tester for a new product, and the next version will likely be a lot better. My thoughts? For a budget, the A750 is very, very promising after the recent price drop to $250. The performance shouldn't be too much slower than the A770, while being much cheaper. The potential performance on the card is great and if ray tracing is something you are interested in, it seems very capable at it and was clearly something Intel focused their efforts on. Additionally, I don't own many new games that have XeSS or RayTracing support, so I can't provide much input on that outside the 3DMark benchmarks. If you have are okay with potentially having some issues and you have a system recent enough to have resizable bar support, I think it's definitely worth considering it. If you want something that will feel polished and more or less "just work", you should look at an AMD or Nvidia card.
This is truly wonderful. I started working my first full-time job a few months ago, and I'm finally nearing a position where I can shell out some cash to build a PC and replace my current pitiful setup. Building computers is a tricky thing to jump into as I've not done it before. I ask myself: "Has one of the klik brothers made a video on this?" Yes! And but two days ago! Glory to the klik empire!
the little spotlight on the 6500xt is very welcome, i looked up reviews of the card and they are all very clearly made by people to which money isn't a problem.
The problem with the 6500xt wasnt that it itself was slow, but the fact that it used a pci-e x4 interface, which was fine on a pci-e 4.0 system, but its target audience were budget gamers, most of which were using pci-e 3.0 systems, even 2.0 if you were upgrading a cheap pre-built, and those had a massive nerf. It also really showed the state of the industry, a lot of people, me included, had cards in their system that cost less, were years old at that point, and outperformed it, leaving a lot of people with a bad taste in their mouths.
I have quite a few friends either looking to build a PC, or having built a PC in the last year or two and have been chilling without a GPU since then. When 6700s could be found for £330 one of them got one of those, but GPU options are still not as good as they once were. I've got a friend on a 280X I lent her while waiting for the ~£200 market to improve. Managed to buy one a 1600 + RX 5700 pc for £400 just yesterday, I think a deal like that is pretty much the performance sweet spot for the moment, and has an upgrade path once better GPUs get cheaper, and the 1600 is no longer enough for 1080p. Pity you recommended that specific 6600 lmao, stock will probably go by the time that 280X friend has the money together to buy it.
I got a 3070 from a miner who sold it to me for just over 300$. I checked the thermals and everything and it was all pretty much perfect, even the box it came in looked completely new. Buying second hand is a double edged sword, but sometimes you can get something great if you just look for it. All in all, I was able to put together a Ryzen 7 5800x, RTX 3070 build for about 1250$ which isn't really a "budget" build but it's still exceptional for the price especially adding NVMe storage, RAM, AIO and other stuff. I think today, if you wanna build a PC, you should buy everything new, except for the GPU. Buy a second hand high-tier card from a reputable source.
Also just to add a bit to what you said, the best used cards are 2060, 70, and 80 Supers (not great for mining performance); 3060Ti, 3070, 3080, 3080 12GB and 3080Ti - however I would definitely stay away from used 3090s and potentially 3080 10GBs as they've been out the longest and have GDDR6X which seems to have a higher failure rate than the GDDR6 based 60 Ti and 70 - 3080 Tis can be overly expensive so if you can't get one for close to $700 I'd bit the bullet and get a 4070Ti (3080 12GB can also be found for prices very close to 3080 10GB but they are closer to a 3080Ti in performance and also are newest so least mined on. Then from AMD, used 6800, 6800XT, 6900XT or 6950XT and maybe new for the incredible value 6600-6700XT range. I would strongly avoid buying any 10 Series, 400/500 Polaris AMD, Vega 56/64/7, and RX 5700 and 5700XT cards as they've been through either two full mining booms or have higher failure rates.
What we need is really strong APUs... With ddr5, memory bandwidth is no longer bottleneck, provided you slap enough cache on the GPU which even could be standalone chiplet... You could save extra costs of standalone graphics card boards.
If Apple’s high-power SOC concept keeps paying off we might see the PC space switch to some sort of socketed package. Tricks like putting your GPU cores right next to the CPU could lead to some crazy advancements, at the cost of modularity
Agree cpu prices are great atm went from a ryzen 3 1200 to a ryzen 7 3700x for £105 off ebay. Made a huge difference in some of the newer titles I have as I didn't realise just how big of a bottleneck the 1200 was even with an old card (R9 290).
Have been wondering about your thoughts regarding Intel's cards. I really want them to be great cards and I think one day they will, it's just a matter of them updating their drivers, which to give them credit they have been doing frequently (recently there was a huge DX9 update). I have more hope for intel getting their act together with their GPUs than I do for AMD ever beating Nvidia, because IMO they seem content to mostly focus on making the chipsets for consoles.
What I find mindblowing is that, as 2PintsMichael said AMD's graphics seem to be cursed. More often than not they offer more value for the price (so far) than nvidia with drivers that are great, especially the software they come with. But you got every "expert" coming out of the woodwork most likely sporting a novideo card claiming how "WELL I TRIED GIVING AMD A CHANCE BUT THE DRIVERS ARE TOO BAD" when what most likely happened is that their friend had one (1) blue screen and thats it. Yes amd drivers are notoriously unstable at launch, but post-launch they have ironed out all the problems. And again its even crazier how in spite of having had worse driver problems on launch than amd intel still caught up insanely quickly and im so confused, even though deep inside i am glad people are giving intel a chance DESPITE the disastrous day 1 drivers, i just wish they've done it with amd until now too.
They kinda already are. In terms of raw horsepower at their price points when they behave, you can't beat them with new cards. An A380 is better than a 1650 and a 6400 (unless you need a low profile, single-slot card), though you're better off buying a 5500XT or a 2060 used unless you want a great encoder. An A770 is better than a 3060/Ti and a 6700. The key word is behave though. Intel has put in a lot of legwork to fix all the launch day problems, but lagging real-world DX11 performance, kinks to work out with DXVK and DX9 and... Arc Control... still keep the cards down. I've had the patience to stick through with my A380, but I can easily understand why someone else would want to save themselves the headache and buy Nvidia instead. And support is still highly limited, so any problems you have will be greeted with, "WOMM" or complete silence. All the problems on launch day and now have driven away most reviewers and people. If it wasn't for the ill will towards Nvidia, I doubt people would be anywhere near as hopeful about Battlemage, and the rumors flying about late last year of AXG getting axed didn't help. Simply put, no one is going to give Intel a second look until Battlemage arrives and they better be on their A-game this time. t. Arc Stockholm Syndrome Sufferer + WR Holder for the A380 Graphics Score in Fire Strike.
@@randomlycasual4941 i mean just stop deluding yourself? You know thei track record and what to expect. Expect shit launch drivers with improvements over time and stop writing them off due to your unwillingness to learn
Used the 6650xt to upgrade my old pc from a 1070ti to give to my dad, got it for about the same price as the 6600 and yeah, they are good cards, especially at a decent price. Another thing with cheap builds is they just seem to last longer for me. Built my new rig a month ago and my motherboard already kicked the bucket, thankfully within Amazon's return window. My 1070ti is still going strong 5 years later in my backup pc. Hoping that once its up and running again a 3080ti and 13700k will last me another 5+ years, and that I don't have to sell my other kidney for my next build in 2028 or whenever it is...
I'm hopeful with Arc. Hopefully we can see better improvements from them. There is a super update coming since February 1st (this comment is on the 3rd) so I hope to see what improvements it'll gain over the months. First gen always underwhelms but it is within expectations. Maybe Arc 2 will be a better buy.
New cards are terrible pick today but the current used marked is the best thing we had in a long time. You can get a 1080Ti which is equivalent to 6600XT for under 270€. 4k DLSS/FSR capable cards at around 400€ and actual 4k cards with good raytracing performance at around 600€. The market is good, the new stuff is just expensive because the market is flooded with cheap old stock from pandemic era.
usually a budget gaming rig in most peoples eyes is a brand new pc with components which still have warranties and the like, not something which is sold as is. Used cards are extremely risky at the moment due to the chance of them being mined. I feel like there is no point of even entertaining the used market at the moment as either it is too old or too good to be true.
@Transistor Jump downside, a second hand 1080ti is out of warranty and at the end of its lifespan. Its getting to 10 years old now, which even for good components will struggle at that lifespan.
I won a A750 in March 2022 and it arrived in November. It was a good extension of my current system as the GTX970 was a bottleneck for some titles. a Lot of pain a long the way, but since like 1-2 months it has been fine mostly. Now it's time to upgrade to a new PC. and the A750 becomes a stop gap for the eventual 48GB accelerator I need to run some language model inference.
I can't believe that graphics cards are now pricing at $1,000 or more. In early 2020 I bought my whole computer for $1,000 and it had an RTX 2070 Super. I hope they decide to start bringing down the prices soon. Because at this rate, in a decade or two, the latest games will be unplayable by a good chunk of gamers. Especially as prices rise and wages are stagnant.
I calculated that the same tier of hardware that cost me 1800€ in 2016 would cost me about 2500€ today, without the case, fans and drives. So I contemplated changing everything but the GPU, but it’s still around 1300€ Sad times
Went from a I7 6700k to a Ryzen 5600G. lol going to get a 5900x instead of a 5800x3d. I'm done with AAA anyways. Ryzen 5600 or buying a Intel CPU is the right call and forget the high end. Even 5900x is to expensive but I want the 2x5600x CPU. Cheap thread ripper. RX 580 and the likes of 1060-1660 NVIDIA GPU's (non RTX) is good enough. If AMD or NVIDIA like us to spend money they got to beg for it. Since the 2020-2022 is never to be forgotten. And RTX?? More money just for RTX. RTX 2080. GTX 1080Ti never forget. Even AMD and there Ryzen 7000 asking 2x the mobo price? Na I got a high end B550 for less then ENTRY PRICE of AM5 mobos of today. That is the only high end that makes sense. Heavy discounted stuff that is still good. I'm more then fine with a 5600G. Going to get something better but more just to unlock PCIE gen 4. If AMD to summer or fall launches a killer price GPU I'm very likely to bite. And I bet PCIE 4.0 and 5700x or better is going to be good for at least 2028 considering how sad everything is. Like my I7 6700k with GPU's without stupid prices? It is doing fine even now GPU prices where good between 2016-2018. It can still run stuff grate even with a decent card much newer then it. So sad how one have to buy stuff to last 5+ years and avoid high end. Since they are all trying to rip us off HARD. High end back in 2014-2016 was high end priced and high end performance. Today it is just rip of price for pointless gains.
In my frugality, I refused to upgrade my 1gb radeon hd 7770 for years. In hindsight I wish I had upgraded prior to the pandemic, but I've waited 10 years to upgrade and I can wait a little more for prices to come back down.
Damn. Hd7770 for 10 years. I'm also frugal, but this impresses me. I even remember saying I'll wait for 20xx series to release, to buy myself a 1050 and sat there playing dota in 30fps on my 3770 iGPU. I gave up tho, and bought myself a laptop xd
I forgot that you're an AMD enjoyer, philip. I've recently been converted by myself to the red side and I gotta say, I love the 7900XT and the new AM5 CPUs, considering the price they're amazing. Gonna save up and build a great AMD rig.
Updated my pc a few month ago. All were used part which were still in great condition: Rtx3070 for 450€ R7 5800x for 200€ Higher end Mainboard for 110€ Higher end 32GB RAM for 120€ Total 880€, which is still alot of money, but way less than I would have spent when buying new and still less than I paid for my i7 4790k/gtx970 build 6 years ago that I now replaced (which was 1300 in total I think, but with case and power supply which I could now keep)
I upgraded to a i5-13600k on black friday for 320 euros (and a 180 euro mobo) and rocking the Gigabyte RTX 2070S OC I copped for 200 euros back in 2020, thing is a beast even in new games.
This prices are depressing. The only reason I've got a 4080 is the fact that I managed to snatch a 3080 right after launch before prices skyrocketed, and could easily sell it, making it a reasonably priced upgrade overall.
I'm still using the same PC I bought in 2019 with a RX 580 and Ryzen 5 2600. Overall it was a bit saddening to be playing games I was so hyped about like Elden Ring at butchered framerates but at the same time there's no chance I could get my hands on something better currently. However, one saving grace has been AMD's FSR. Running games like Judgment on my PC at 80 FPS and still having no particular quality drop felt and feels amazing. For the time being, I seriously hope more games devs begin utilizing these resources since as far as I'm aware it's both cheap for them to implement and saves lives for us "poor" gamers.
I had almost the same build for just about 3 years, when I started having big bluescreen problems related to my RAM. Switched both RAM and motherboard, but still had the same errors. Now I'm wondering if my 3600 or 580 were the problem. Have you had any noticeable errors with these AMD components? That was my first ever build, so I've been thinking about trying Intel and Nvidia, seeing if that was a one-time thing or my parts met their end.
I think the problem lies with the public perception of how much is acceptable to spend in a graphics card, since most of the media and enthusiasts aren't constrained by tight budgets as maybe a student is, then they can more easily recommend something like a 300-400 usd card as "good value" or whatever and completely dismiss the cheaper options since from they point of view it's much cheaper than a 1000usd+ halo product. And people recommending used parts (myself included) have more time and knowledge than most people shopping for cheap parts, for whom it can be really difficult, risky and tedious. We tend to forget than most gamers are actual children, and that consoles actually exist and are quite good and affordable in comparison to new pcs.
2:43 I never expected 2kliks to laugh like that 💀. All jokes aside we are truly in an depressive state with GPUs/CPUs. You could buy one used for a little cheaper but then you could run the risk of it being mined already :(
I've been running the PALIT 1070 Jetstream for coming on 3 years now, got it for about £250 and it's been great. Giant card though, make sure your case can fit it.
Last night a friend talked me into finally upgrading to a $240 USD new RX 6600XT and just sitting out this generation of GPUs. I vowed I wouldn't upgrade until the price to performance was at least as good as I'd gotten last time I upgraded in 2017, and to my surprise it was an improvement of about 65% (more, if you account for inflation). And my current CPU can drive it fine. Been putting off playing Half Life Alyx until I had a better GPU, as while my old GTX 1060 could run it, you can only experience a game for the first time once.
I have a 10400f ( good cpu for gaming ) Bought a 6700 for 270 euro reaseald from a big site was used by someoane for a couple of days . A big upgrade from my 1070 sold this one for 100 euro so thr 6700 was cheap for me . Big diference warzone 2.0 went from 120 fps on my 1070 to 200 fps constant ! First AMD Gpu for me and i got to Say i am pleased with IT , cheap and fast .
I have the same cpu thinking about buying the same gpu as you. Have you noticed any bottlenecks in any game so far? I am aiming for 1080p 60 fps gaming.
I honestly think right now the RX 6600 seems to be the most sensible entry for someone looking for 1440-1080p gaming with image reconstruction. The RTX 3050 is much more expensive compared to the RX6600 and performs a lot slower, and one step up the ladder is the RTX 3060 which don't get me wrong is a nice card but is again way too expensive. At this point you kinda need to decide if you want the Nvidia stuff like DLSS versus cheaper and better raster performance from AMD with the 6700 & 6700XT. But again none of them are cheap at all.
Unless all hope for GPU's are lost it just do not feel right getting anything from 2020-2022. AMD should have the tech and supply to make low to mid range cards at RDNA2 costs that performs so much better before the years end. But even if it is a foolish to trust AMD to not price the cards just insanely. I really rather stick with the stuff pre 2020. If that is how AMD and NV wanted to play it let them have it so. RX 580 I got is not super fast but I got it. Lucky that since else I had used a 280x AMD had the free win with RDNA3. And they just blew it. 8k my guy! Price fixing... Naming a 7800 card as a 7900xt. But if they learned anything from years of screw up we can get some RX 6700 priced cards at so much better performance in less then a years time. Meanwhile old cards hopefully still works. Not like there is ANY GAME worth playing anyways. Still got RDR 2 to catch up with. I got no hurry getting a scalper card then and not now.
@@TheDiner50 I agree, even an old GTX 960 still holds up decently today. And it's not like I have a backlog full of games that I barely even touched dating back to 2012. It's smart to wait for the right moment to upgrade, the midrange stuff of the future will be better than the highest end cards of today.
I bought a used GTX980 for 75 bucks, it can play modern games like cod warzone and even play vr, I NEVER hear anybody talk about this card, and you can buy it so cheap on places like ebay, or facebook marketplace, (Were I found mine). The GTX980 is such and underated gem.
I already got my hands on a 3060 Ti, and got it at basically MRP last year. So I’m building my pc around that card, so I’m getting a Ryzen 7 5700x with a x570-p motherboard, Master cooler Masterliquid ML240L V2 AIO cooler, 32gb 3600MHz Cl16 dual series RAM. (Already got me a PSU that is 850W gold rated. And yea, I know it’s more than I need. But that way I won’t need to upgrade in a while. Also, it’s Corsair). And I believe my m.2 is 500gb or 1tb, one or the other. Can’t remember on the top of my head. Also, running a ASUS 1440p monitor as my main monitor and a side monitor that is a ASUS 1080p. This will be a big upgrade from my i5-7400 CPU, 2400(2600?)MHz single RAM, with an old ass motherboard that I can’t remember the name of.
i got a 3070 for 370$ this year. i got a 1070 several years prior for 450$, when there was no shortages or scalping yet. it's fine-ish? as long as you will to take a risk
I went 6600 and r5 5600 8 months ago. Motherboard price was the thing that stopped me from going intel. I think it will be a while yet before we see something better value than the 6600.
From everything I've looked into, unless you really need a GPU right away, isn't it better value to just save for the 6650 XT? In Canadian dollars it's only around $100 more new and nets you roughly 15-20% better average performance over the 6600. Plus I'm sure you could likely find a 6650 XT used for around the price of a new 6600. I'm also basing all of this on Passmark's ratings, and they have the 6650 XT as one of the best value to cost GPUs right now. Coming in 21 spaces above the 6600. So I could honestly be wrong, hence why I'm asking because I'm likely going to be upgrading my GPU in the next year or so, maybe even by the end of this year if I'm lucky.
@@Arked only that you'll lose DVI when going to a modern card, if that's something you care about. And that the xfx model of the 6600 can have a lot of coil whine.
It's a great time to upgrade CPU if you're on AM4 and your motherboard supports a 5000 series CPU. RAM is cheap and 5000 is selling well below MSRP now. Upgrading my 2600X to a 5700X, and the 5700X is cheaper than the 2600X! Adding another 16GB RAM at less than half the price I got the original 16GB! As long as your GPU can tide you over, it's great now.
Dumb question: Do you think it's worth just getting a decent APU and then waiting until a decent cheap GPU comes out in like a year or two? I don't really play much triple A titles these days (at least not the latest ones anyhow except for mw2).
It's been a while since the video came around, but i have secured myself a $400 build with a used 1660 super and a similar A320M + Ryzen 4 4500 combo. 16 GB 2666MHz and no, i didn't cheap out on the power supply. I did however cheaped out on the case since it really doesn't matter except for some style points and mesh design solves every airflow problem ever. Oh and did I mention i got a 1TB SSD? It's a SATA 2.5" one rather than the usual M.2 but i think it's enough for pretty much everything and would only cost me a few seconds on the loading screen. Just goes to show that the price cuts in GPUs are so desperately needed since that's the only part on this build that have seen use.
Just bought an RX 580 for just around 100 dollars, thing runs games like a beast which is funny since I upgraded from an RX 550 I bought a few years ago for just about the same price. If you wanna build a PC right now is the best time to do it
Been gaming with it for the past 3 years. Its enough for most game i play actively but it struggles with the more recent AAA releases. Cant really get stable 60 fps on lowest graphics anymore.
Just upgraded my pc. Build it 2020 and used a 5600g as graphic unit. Worked fine with 1080p and games like farming simulator and minecraft. Bought a 6800xt for 380€ of curse used but man its nice to finally go to 1440 p and max setting every game. I planned it and took long but patient gets rewarded.
Love this video! Looking forward to more content like this. Side question, did you ask for permission to use the graphs from the other TH-cam channels? Certainly not saying it's not fair use, just seems like the respectful thing to do in the tech tube community.
I finally put my 1060 to rest last Christmas because I got a omegadeal on a 3060Ti. And here in Brazil, AMD cards are more expensive than nvidia or the same price idk why.
@@luisaazul Depende das gerações, essa agora obviamente qqr placa vai ser mais barata que a 4090. E por exemplo, minhas 4850 HD e R9 270X foram mais caras que as opções da Nvidia nos respectivos lançamentos.
My 1080ti died recently. I bought it for $700 USD in 2017. It hurt to buy at the time, but 5+ years later, what an absolute steal. 1440p and still pushing 60fps in most games. Trying to get a new GPU right now is painful with current prices.
Not that deep of research but according to two benchmarks realized in graphics cards (from 1080's until 4090) the best price-perfomance graphics card for gaming is the rx6600xt (Can't check price rn, out of stock 13:27 GMT 23rd, January) the best processor i could find for it that is budget performance but that doesn't make the system cpu bound is the 5 3600 (cant get in dollars). Now, the part i REALLY hate about PC's, motherboards, they are SOOO expensive rn, i got the b450 gaming plus max, and it costs 100 dollars (checked 13:22 GMT 23rd of January on amazon) I got a NV2. PCIe 4 Kingston SSD 1 tb (52.99 12%off 13:24 GMT 23rd January) 16 gb of memory ddr4 3200mhz (cheapest i found for was 42.99 13:28 GMT 23rd, January) 500w power supply suplies this...
I was so excited for the Arc cards until I saw the actual pricing, where the top a770 was about £30 more than a new 3060ti (at best the a770 competed with the non ti 3060, but it may have improved since release), nevermind the used market which can offer even better value. Still hopeful for intel's future generations though.
I've just recently upgraded my PC with an i3 12100f and RX 6600, so seeing you recommend both of those options makes me feel very validated.
I built this exact configuration too
I bought an RX 6600 back in april 2022 and now I regret not waiting a few months for the price to drop
I really should have went with RX6500XT
@@kajojo2399 6500xt is really bad compared to 6600
its a solid build, it will last years and years if you don't mind lowering the settings.
@@kajojo2399 nah the “5” level cards in both AMD and Nvidia is not worth it, it is always a good idea to save up for a few more months to actually get what you want instead. The 6500 xt is significantly weekend than the next in line 6600 and the 1650 is significantly slower than the next in line 1660 or 2060
Remember the days of a $500 flagship? Even then, I went for the mid range cards as $500 seemed like an unreasonable amount to spend.
I recently got a used 3080 FE for $500 and it felt like I was finally able to live out my childhood dreams of buying a flagship card for flagship price. But today's definition of flagship has bloated so much. Endramble
The GTX 580 was released in November 2010 for £400
The GTX 1050Ti (which was a tad faster in some respects) came out in October 2016 and cost about £150
6 years for a £150 card to go toe to toe with the flagship from 6 years ago
I'm still waiting for the 1080Ti's version of that card
Remember the 970 and 1070 at sub 400 range? They were like 350
3080 seems to be a "people's top" for another couple years, considering 40xx and 7xxx prices.
@@bladeoflucatiel I still use the 970 and it does the things I need it to do!
@@bladeoflucatiel The 10 series is where they really went apeshit and no one talks about it.
Honestly you have a very different view of what is important in a component than most tech channels, and I appreciate that.
Tech channels are now like these car TV programs where you watch stuff you'll never own. But contrary to the TV they'll never brand them as such, they'll still review them as if most people realistically aimed for cards like 4090 lol
in which way ?
Just built a system with an RX 6600 that I picked up for $300 CAD, it is quite the value at the moment. Feels like the good old days before GPU prices entered the stratosphere.
RX 6600 is insane for its price, I'd definitely recommend it over the 2060, 3050 and 3060. Driver issues are barely noticeable. Despite many people saying they're worse than Nvidia, I actually prefer them due to the more simplistic interface. The drivers aren't worse, just not all games support them as much as they do Nvidia drivers.
I got myself a used one for 160 USD and its served me well so far really a great card if you can get it at a good price
its literally barely better than a 1060 3gb that release 7 years ago, at 1,5x the price..... under no sun on no world in no galaxy in no single universe is this a good deal, its the definition of stagnation...
@@robinbinder8658 that not true at all
@@Azzy_Mazzy yeah ok its not "barely"..... its 1,5x perf, but so is the price (my locality).... point still stands
ah, a good ol' 2kliksphilip technology overview/rant, just what i needed!
the soothing blibs of digadig always put a smile on my face
Keep pushing forward! This video is a great source of motivation and inspiration for budget builds in 2023.
Another downside at the moment is that if you want the latest amd processors, you are paying at least £250 premium for the motherboard and memory, so you're basically restricted to previous gen if you care at all about price.
I miss when I bought my R9 270 for £130, then my 1660 super for £200, which I thought was very expensive at the time. Now, pretty much nothing in the 3000 or 4000 series from nvidia is even below £300.
So true. I remember looking for 1060 to upgrade and when I saw that $200+ price I was bewildered. How come a mid-range GPU cost that much. Now I want to go back to those times, when building a PC did not require selling your kidneys.
And this is why you go with AMD these days, Nvidia doesn't deserve our money considering how overpriced their stuff is.
Thank you for highlighting the "Discrete" in that wccftech article you show about intel gpus, I was about to make a fool of myself explaining how its probably counting the integrated graphics as gpus. That number does seem incredibly high but if its really the case I'm looking forward to the 2nd generation of intel cards.
I believe that article is referring to GPU shipments throughout Q3 and not total market share. It additionally includes laptops, which also slightly alters the outlook. Going by their numbers, or rather JPR's, the sale numbers in millions of units sold:
Desktop:
AMD: 0.69 (10%)
Intel: 0.26 (4%)
Nvidia: 5.94 (86%)
Total:
AMD: 1.05 (8%)
Intel: 0.62 (4%)
Nvidia: 12.19 (88%)
For context:
Q3'21 had shares of Nvidia 83%, Intel 0%, and AMD 17%
Q2'22 had shares of Nvidia 80%, Intel 5%, AMD 15%
That is to say that Intel sold more Discrete GPUs through laptops than they did as standalone GPUs. The numbers and terminology is a tad misleading, as it's intended to be used in the context of market outlook and investment, but it's still a decent accomplishment for Intel. So just to riterate: The 8% and 4% numbers are NOT total marketshare, but rather share of shipped GPU's during Q3 2022.
@@c-simile1632 yeah, to me, laptop discrete counts the same as laptop integrated as to what people that actually care about hardware would buy. People that get laptops with intel discrete are the same that get integrated graphics because they just arent tech savvy enough, it's the same people that get 1650s.
Not dissing, but I think it's important to mention.
Love the PowerColor Fighter series - real legitimate actual 2-slot cards with good thermals & a sensible understated design that doesn't make me feel ridiculous buying it which doesn't crowd out all the other PCI expansion slots in my case.
Even the 6700XT stays within the 2 slot boundary. Outstanding stuff.
Agreed on both accounts.
I have the Powercolor Fighter RX 6800, a good card. It is not the best RX 6800 out there, but it gets the job done with a small OC and Undervolt. Temps are really good and design is simple.
I love that you mainly focus on the monetary aspect, like buying cost and power consumption.
Im keen on seeing your review of the new zen 4 apu chips , ONCE AMD finally releases them
Wait, Isn't the 7600(x) a zen4 apu ?
@@SozImaScrub i meant the G-Series, imagine what an apu with 14-20 rdna 2 cus could do
Sorry for asking randomly here but I have i7 6700k and 1070 when should I upgrade ? Any advice/suggestions ?
@@dankcreme3687 upgrade when you need to, the 1070 is still a solid card and if its running the games you play well enough then don't get an upgrade for the sake of an upgrade. Unless you really want to build a new system and have the money spare that is.
@@Wulf__ got it thanks
dude, whatever that stock background sound you are using at the start just floods me with nostalgia for The Lost Boys.
I bought r5 1600 brand new when it released and recently I picked up r5 5600 for 160€. Just a quick bios update and I got really nice upgrade. Really makes me happy to go AM4, I wish AM5 will live up to it.
I also upgraded my graphics from RX480 to used RX5700XT for 190€! It was really nice upgrade as well. I recommed to look for used gpus because right now new ones are still overpriced.
I also was exited when Intel came to graphics but their pricing was a big dissapointment to me. If the A770 would have been around 200€ maybe I would have bought it.
Really enjoy your content about tech. You seem so sensible compared to other big tech influencers.
Just bought 3070 for the price of an entire PC I built back in early 2019 based on R5 2600 and RX570. Feels weird in a hurtful way.
you wouldnt feel that way if you tried harder at not being poor
@@juanshaftpatel7488 omg so true tip you such a wise man
These kinds of videos are some of my favourite for 2kliksphilip btw. Informative, useful and entertaining!
More of this for sure. Maybe best budget “vr ready” pc in 2023?
8:19 I love that shine on the ring
Last year when you made your video about the Rx 6500 Xt I bought it and never regretted it, it can play literally every single game, even Elden Ring at Med settings. Thanks alot
The 6500xt was sooooo close to being the next value king, But AMD just had to mess it up.
@@gervee_desu if it has 6gb vram then it would be top g
I accidentally clicked the notification for the video so here we are. Well, guess I’ll stick around for the quality content 👌🏻
This is how new 3kliksphilip subscriber is born
@@Jako1987 oh no I clicked the notification because I already SUBSCRIBED AND SMASHED THAT LITTLE BELL ICON
Haha, I must have done the same. Picked up my tablet from the charger only to be confused when it started playing this.
@@ArturMarinhoFeV So that wasn't an accident after all? 🤔 Or just a little happy accident
as long as it can run dark & darker you're sorted
I've managed to get 3050 this February thinking that it might be now or never. This summer I could get 3060ti for the same price and with 4000 series pricing I'm not as optimistic about upgrading as I was before. Wish I'd known that the compromise of getting a slightly overpriced but available 3050 will only get worse with time.
I've got an RX6600 this past christmas. It's the first GPU i've had, but wow. this thing handles stuff at 1080p better than i thought it would. Go for it!
This last year I bit the bullet and built myself a PC with a 6700 XT, a Ryzen 9 5900x and 32gb of RAM.
I have it in a slightly older Corsair 750d case, so I even added a Blu-ray drive to it even though I won't necessarily use it too often.
I don't think I'll need to upgrade until years from now.
I'll need to be trying to build a really budget pc for 300 later this year
I'm glad I have old graphics cards lying around, even if they're things like the r9 380 :l
Your build is very very useful for this, thank you very much
I've been gaming on my 380 since 2016 I think. I'm still getting 120+ FPS in the games I care about. The only struggle was running Elden Ring.
@@jonathanzimm5511 I'm very glad to hear! that makes me glad, the computer is for my sister's boyfriend's son to play roblox and stuff like that. I can't imagine it'd be too intensive, but if he ever starts playing things that are more intensive then I don't want it to just be a slideshow
Having lived through the last 3rd party gpu attempt in the 2000s as a 12 year old, witnessing the Volari Duo debacle go down on now retro review goldmine ixbt labs...
My dad who gave me the love for gaming hardware; actually bought one of those Club 3d ones sold where I grew up in Europe just out of morbid curiosity.
Trust me Intel pulled off a slam dunk launch in comparison, as sad as that sounds. At least Arc's Drivers are rapidly improving, moreso in older games.
I'm excited for ARC because of its video encoding potential. I'm looking for a new GPU for my NAS and if support from 3rd party companies improves I will be jumping on an A380
I think both rdna3 and ada support av1 encoding natively, so unless they artificially limit their cards all new gpus should have the same capabilities as intel, so keep an eye out!
@@shiba7651 Holding out hope for AMD then. Nvidia's artificial limiting means I'm not considering their geforce cards for it.
I have an arc a770 personally and their encode quality is way worse than nvidia and amd. You can clearly see artifacts even at 150mbps bitrate.
@@EnzoBergstrom Using AV1? Or HEVC? Mainly interested in real time transcoding and looking at some of the hardware AV1 encodes even below 10Mbit/s they look pretty good.
@@EnzoBergstrom Not even remotely true. The evidence is in the VMAF scores. Intel has been on top of encoding for years now with their IGPs and Quicksync. Arc and AV1 dont change that, they still are a notch above Nvidia and AMD, and reviewers like Eposvox show that in their reviews.
It's always fun to run across a video that echoes the same exact sentiment I have for the hardware market right now. Glad a lot of us agree (from what I can see in the comments).
5:22 omg he mentioned my graphics card,i worked for almost a year in one of the poorest counterys in the word and i spent it on one gpu.it make me so happy that one of my favorites TH-camr suggest me to get it when i got it a week ago !thank you
omg he would buy the gou taht i bughe right now in hes videos as well ! im so happy that a got somthing that at least is good enughe for him to choose it!
seeing the deck in philips hands make it look tiny. you're a giant, philip!
I'm still happy with my 2060 laptop from 2020. This push for 4K gaming is really taking a toll for those who want the latest and greatest. For me, 1080p (with high enough refresh rates) is still more than acceptable for modern titles. I think I rather wait a couple of years more, at least until budget cards become good enough to game at 4K as the norm.
At the end it was a steamdeck ad after all, you've got me good
@@2kliksphilip Well it was a pretty good ad for a steam deck, I've been wanting one for quite a while now and I just didn't expect it in this video. Now I might just get it for my birthday :)
I was quite excited to hear Intel was coming out with GPUs and I put my money where my mouth is. I did a sideways "upgrade" from a 1070ti to an Arc A770..
I'm shockingly pleased with it so far, and I'm excited to see what progress Intel will make with the drivers. Performance is a bit better than my old card, and of the games I have tried I haven't found any major issues.
mind elaborate a bit? Am interested in purchasing an a750. Would love to see some feedback from non-tech reviewers.
@@raylxh1925 Well, my feedback on it is likely similar to that of tech reviewers, and I haven't done tons of testing as I've only had the card for about a week, but sure.
For starters, it's probably important to mention my PC:
- i9 9900k
- 32GB DDR4
- 1TB RAID0 SSD boot disk
- 1000w Gold EVGA PSU
- Arc A770 Limited Edition /w 16gb of ram.
- I have a 1440p 144hz display
It's important to note that with this system, I do not have PCIe gen 4, but I was lucky in that my motherboards were one of the few z370 chip set boards to get resizable bar support added. Without resizable bar, this would have been a really stupid purchase. Not having PCIe gen 4 doesn't seem to make much of a difference, as far as I can tell.
First impressions with the physical hardware:
- The packaging is really nice, maybe a bit overdone considering the price of the GPU, but it is nice.
- The GPU is built like it's a laptop, which both makes it more complicated to perform any kind of work on it, and that also means intel is probably spending way too much money on the actual assembly of it.
- Despite being smaller than my 1070ti, the A770 is physically heavier
- The A770 is a very pretty card and it looks great in my PC.
The good:
- While emulating Breath of The Wild with Cemu (1440p, cranked AA, view distance, and everything else to it's maximum), it actually had more stable framerate than my old card
- When I tired to play BeamNG drive, it ran great and I was able to crank the settings a bit higher than my old card, with similar performance.
- Dirt Rally 2.0 with settings absolutely cranked runs amazingly
- 3DMark Port Royal (ray tracing benchmark) puts the A770 between a RTX 3060ti and a RTX 3070 in terms of ray tracing performance.
- When I tried the XeSS feature test in 3DMark, it gave a 50% uplift with the quality preset, and XeSS actually improved the visual quality as it seemed to clear up some visual oddities that were there without it
The okay:
- I'm really excited to have newer features such as AV1 encoding and decoding. I've enabled AV1 in TH-cam playback, it's never crashed once, looks great, and the bitrate is definitely lower than vp9 while retaining the same visual quality, which is great. But, as it stands, there aren't many situations when I can take advantage of the AV1 encoding on it. Discord just got support for AV1 encoding, but I believe it's only for RTX 4000 cards.
- When I tried GTA V, the performance seemed to be a bit worse than my 1070ti. To be fair, it's still pretty good as I'm playing it at 1440p with most of the settings set to their maximum, but the performance dips more and it doesn't feel as smooth.
- The driver software. It's okay and is slightly better than it used to be, but it needs a lot of work. For example, there isn't any way to remove a game from the game list. It's also a huge driver download.
The not great:
- Portal RTX completely refuses to launch. It seems like the Intel drivers may not support every feature that the card tries to use. Some people reported it as somewhat working on a older driver version, but I had no such luck.
- While Cemu did have much better performance on the Arc card for me, it also has some minor graphical bugs with a few specific items in the game, but it's pretty minor and is easily ignore-able.
- Overclocking. It's just.. vague without any proper indication on what exactly you are changing with the performance slider
- You are in a lot of ways, a beta tester for a new product, and the next version will likely be a lot better.
My thoughts? For a budget, the A750 is very, very promising after the recent price drop to $250. The performance shouldn't be too much slower than the A770, while being much cheaper. The potential performance on the card is great and if ray tracing is something you are interested in, it seems very capable at it and was clearly something Intel focused their efforts on.
Additionally, I don't own many new games that have XeSS or RayTracing support, so I can't provide much input on that outside the 3DMark benchmarks.
If you have are okay with potentially having some issues and you have a system recent enough to have resizable bar support, I think it's definitely worth considering it.
If you want something that will feel polished and more or less "just work", you should look at an AMD or Nvidia card.
@@BelleDoesStuff great info tho, thx a lot.
@@raylxh1925 Welcome :)
This is truly wonderful. I started working my first full-time job a few months ago, and I'm finally nearing a position where I can shell out some cash to build a PC and replace my current pitiful setup. Building computers is a tricky thing to jump into as I've not done it before.
I ask myself: "Has one of the klik brothers made a video on this?" Yes! And but two days ago! Glory to the klik empire!
the little spotlight on the 6500xt is very welcome, i looked up reviews of the card and they are all very clearly made by people to which money isn't a problem.
The problem with the 6500xt wasnt that it itself was slow, but the fact that it used a pci-e x4 interface, which was fine on a pci-e 4.0 system, but its target audience were budget gamers, most of which were using pci-e 3.0 systems, even 2.0 if you were upgrading a cheap pre-built, and those had a massive nerf.
It also really showed the state of the industry, a lot of people, me included, had cards in their system that cost less, were years old at that point, and outperformed it, leaving a lot of people with a bad taste in their mouths.
2:43 that's exactly how I feel right now
Got a 13600K for MSRP and an EVGA 3060 12gb XC for 300$
EBay is a risk but getting a 3060 for that price is really nice
Damn, you guys are way ahead of me, I was planning on saving to build my own pc with a gtx 1050ti and a ryzen 5 4600g
god I love the music you use
I have quite a few friends either looking to build a PC, or having built a PC in the last year or two and have been chilling without a GPU since then.
When 6700s could be found for £330 one of them got one of those, but GPU options are still not as good as they once were. I've got a friend on a 280X I lent her while waiting for the ~£200 market to improve.
Managed to buy one a 1600 + RX 5700 pc for £400 just yesterday, I think a deal like that is pretty much the performance sweet spot for the moment, and has an upgrade path once better GPUs get cheaper, and the 1600 is no longer enough for 1080p.
Pity you recommended that specific 6600 lmao, stock will probably go by the time that 280X friend has the money together to buy it.
Why don't you buy it for your friend and then they can pay you, if they can't pay you then you sell it on ebay brand new
@@omster_ Cashflow brother, it's not infinite
I got a 3070 from a miner who sold it to me for just over 300$. I checked the thermals and everything and it was all pretty much perfect, even the box it came in looked completely new. Buying second hand is a double edged sword, but sometimes you can get something great if you just look for it. All in all, I was able to put together a Ryzen 7 5800x, RTX 3070 build for about 1250$ which isn't really a "budget" build but it's still exceptional for the price especially adding NVMe storage, RAM, AIO and other stuff. I think today, if you wanna build a PC, you should buy everything new, except for the GPU. Buy a second hand high-tier card from a reputable source.
Also just to add a bit to what you said, the best used cards are 2060, 70, and 80 Supers (not great for mining performance); 3060Ti, 3070, 3080, 3080 12GB and 3080Ti - however I would definitely stay away from used 3090s and potentially 3080 10GBs as they've been out the longest and have GDDR6X which seems to have a higher failure rate than the GDDR6 based 60 Ti and 70 - 3080 Tis can be overly expensive so if you can't get one for close to $700 I'd bit the bullet and get a 4070Ti (3080 12GB can also be found for prices very close to 3080 10GB but they are closer to a 3080Ti in performance and also are newest so least mined on. Then from AMD, used 6800, 6800XT, 6900XT or 6950XT and maybe new for the incredible value 6600-6700XT range. I would strongly avoid buying any 10 Series, 400/500 Polaris AMD, Vega 56/64/7, and RX 5700 and 5700XT cards as they've been through either two full mining booms or have higher failure rates.
What we need is really strong APUs... With ddr5, memory bandwidth is no longer bottleneck, provided you slap enough cache on the GPU which even could be standalone chiplet... You could save extra costs of standalone graphics card boards.
If Apple’s high-power SOC concept keeps paying off we might see the PC space switch to some sort of socketed package. Tricks like putting your GPU cores right next to the CPU could lead to some crazy advancements, at the cost of modularity
Thank you Mr Philip
I fortunately got a RX 5700 XT R5 3600 combo before GPU prices skyrocketed, now years later it's still not worth upgrading. Really glad I got them.
Bought a Ryzen 5800X this month for 230€ = £200 and I'm really satisfied with it. You are right, it's a great time to buy a CPU right now!
Agree cpu prices are great atm went from a ryzen 3 1200 to a ryzen 7 3700x for £105 off ebay. Made a huge difference in some of the newer titles I have as I didn't realise just how big of a bottleneck the 1200 was even with an old card (R9 290).
The Ryzen 5600 was going for $130 over the holiday season. It was Incredible value.
Have been wondering about your thoughts regarding Intel's cards. I really want them to be great cards and I think one day they will, it's just a matter of them updating their drivers, which to give them credit they have been doing frequently (recently there was a huge DX9 update). I have more hope for intel getting their act together with their GPUs than I do for AMD ever beating Nvidia, because IMO they seem content to mostly focus on making the chipsets for consoles.
What I find mindblowing is that, as 2PintsMichael said AMD's graphics seem to be cursed. More often than not they offer more value for the price (so far) than nvidia with drivers that are great, especially the software they come with.
But you got every "expert" coming out of the woodwork most likely sporting a novideo card claiming how "WELL I TRIED GIVING AMD A CHANCE BUT THE DRIVERS ARE TOO BAD" when what most likely happened is that their friend had one (1) blue screen and thats it.
Yes amd drivers are notoriously unstable at launch, but post-launch they have ironed out all the problems.
And again its even crazier how in spite of having had worse driver problems on launch than amd intel still caught up insanely quickly and im so confused, even though deep inside i am glad people are giving intel a chance DESPITE the disastrous day 1 drivers, i just wish they've done it with amd until now too.
5:24
They kinda already are. In terms of raw horsepower at their price points when they behave, you can't beat them with new cards. An A380 is better than a 1650 and a 6400 (unless you need a low profile, single-slot card), though you're better off buying a 5500XT or a 2060 used unless you want a great encoder. An A770 is better than a 3060/Ti and a 6700.
The key word is behave though. Intel has put in a lot of legwork to fix all the launch day problems, but lagging real-world DX11 performance, kinks to work out with DXVK and DX9 and... Arc Control... still keep the cards down. I've had the patience to stick through with my A380, but I can easily understand why someone else would want to save themselves the headache and buy Nvidia instead. And support is still highly limited, so any problems you have will be greeted with, "WOMM" or complete silence. All the problems on launch day and now have driven away most reviewers and people. If it wasn't for the ill will towards Nvidia, I doubt people would be anywhere near as hopeful about Battlemage, and the rumors flying about late last year of AXG getting axed didn't help.
Simply put, no one is going to give Intel a second look until Battlemage arrives and they better be on their A-game this time.
t. Arc Stockholm Syndrome Sufferer + WR Holder for the A380 Graphics Score in Fire Strike.
@@xFluing AMD is like Nvidia right now. We kind of expect good on launch. Nobody has any expectations from intel as they have not proven themselves
@@randomlycasual4941 i mean just stop deluding yourself? You know thei track record and what to expect. Expect shit launch drivers with improvements over time and stop writing them off due to your unwillingness to learn
Just got an RX 580 (8gb) to upgrade from my 3200G. Very satisfied
Used the 6650xt to upgrade my old pc from a 1070ti to give to my dad, got it for about the same price as the 6600 and yeah, they are good cards, especially at a decent price. Another thing with cheap builds is they just seem to last longer for me. Built my new rig a month ago and my motherboard already kicked the bucket, thankfully within Amazon's return window. My 1070ti is still going strong 5 years later in my backup pc. Hoping that once its up and running again a 3080ti and 13700k will last me another 5+ years, and that I don't have to sell my other kidney for my next build in 2028 or whenever it is...
I'm hopeful with Arc. Hopefully we can see better improvements from them. There is a super update coming since February 1st (this comment is on the 3rd) so I hope to see what improvements it'll gain over the months. First gen always underwhelms but it is within expectations. Maybe Arc 2 will be a better buy.
probably drivers will make it worth, for now AMD seems the cheaper/performance
New cards are terrible pick today but the current used marked is the best thing we had in a long time. You can get a 1080Ti which is equivalent to 6600XT for under 270€. 4k DLSS/FSR capable cards at around 400€ and actual 4k cards with good raytracing performance at around 600€. The market is good, the new stuff is just expensive because the market is flooded with cheap old stock from pandemic era.
usually a budget gaming rig in most peoples eyes is a brand new pc with components which still have warranties and the like, not something which is sold as is. Used cards are extremely risky at the moment due to the chance of them being mined. I feel like there is no point of even entertaining the used market at the moment as either it is too old or too good to be true.
@Transistor Jump downside, a second hand 1080ti is out of warranty and at the end of its lifespan. Its getting to 10 years old now, which even for good components will struggle at that lifespan.
I won a A750 in March 2022 and it arrived in November. It was a good extension of my current system as the GTX970 was a bottleneck for some titles. a Lot of pain a long the way, but since like 1-2 months it has been fine mostly. Now it's time to upgrade to a new PC. and the A750 becomes a stop gap for the eventual 48GB accelerator I need to run some language model inference.
0:45 That smoke placement seems a little specific Mr. Philip ;D
I can't believe that graphics cards are now pricing at $1,000 or more. In early 2020 I bought my whole computer for $1,000 and it had an RTX 2070 Super. I hope they decide to start bringing down the prices soon. Because at this rate, in a decade or two, the latest games will be unplayable by a good chunk of gamers. Especially as prices rise and wages are stagnant.
I calculated that the same tier of hardware that cost me 1800€ in 2016 would cost me about 2500€ today, without the case, fans and drives. So I contemplated changing everything but the GPU, but it’s still around 1300€
Sad times
Went from a I7 6700k to a Ryzen 5600G. lol going to get a 5900x instead of a 5800x3d. I'm done with AAA anyways. Ryzen 5600 or buying a Intel CPU is the right call and forget the high end. Even 5900x is to expensive but I want the 2x5600x CPU. Cheap thread ripper.
RX 580 and the likes of 1060-1660 NVIDIA GPU's (non RTX) is good enough. If AMD or NVIDIA like us to spend money they got to beg for it. Since the 2020-2022 is never to be forgotten. And RTX?? More money just for RTX. RTX 2080. GTX 1080Ti never forget.
Even AMD and there Ryzen 7000 asking 2x the mobo price? Na I got a high end B550 for less then ENTRY PRICE of AM5 mobos of today. That is the only high end that makes sense. Heavy discounted stuff that is still good.
I'm more then fine with a 5600G. Going to get something better but more just to unlock PCIE gen 4. If AMD to summer or fall launches a killer price GPU I'm very likely to bite. And I bet PCIE 4.0 and 5700x or better is going to be good for at least 2028 considering how sad everything is. Like my I7 6700k with GPU's without stupid prices? It is doing fine even now GPU prices where good between 2016-2018. It can still run stuff grate even with a decent card much newer then it.
So sad how one have to buy stuff to last 5+ years and avoid high end. Since they are all trying to rip us off HARD. High end back in 2014-2016 was high end priced and high end performance. Today it is just rip of price for pointless gains.
Is that taking inflation into account?
In my frugality, I refused to upgrade my 1gb radeon hd 7770 for years. In hindsight I wish I had upgraded prior to the pandemic, but I've waited 10 years to upgrade and I can wait a little more for prices to come back down.
Damn. Hd7770 for 10 years. I'm also frugal, but this impresses me.
I even remember saying I'll wait for 20xx series to release, to buy myself a 1050 and sat there playing dota in 30fps on my 3770 iGPU. I gave up tho, and bought myself a laptop xd
I forgot that you're an AMD enjoyer, philip. I've recently been converted by myself to the red side and I gotta say, I love the 7900XT and the new AM5 CPUs, considering the price they're amazing. Gonna save up and build a great AMD rig.
The TH-cam mobile app is so broken I can’t even play the video without the audio breaking it and pausing the video.
Updated my pc a few month ago.
All were used part which were still in great condition:
Rtx3070 for 450€
R7 5800x for 200€
Higher end Mainboard for 110€
Higher end 32GB RAM for 120€
Total 880€, which is still alot of money, but way less than I would have spent when buying new and still less than I paid for my i7 4790k/gtx970 build 6 years ago that I now replaced (which was 1300 in total I think, but with case and power supply which I could now keep)
And I still got 250€ for my old processor and graphics card, which is more than I expected to get out of it again
I upgraded to a i5-13600k on black friday for 320 euros (and a 180 euro mobo) and rocking the Gigabyte RTX 2070S OC I copped for 200 euros back in 2020, thing is a beast even in new games.
I'm glad to see a lot of people rocking the I3 12100f and RX6600 combo
though unfortunately I paid more than I should for that system
I managed to pick up a Radeon RX 6650XT for about 300£, I think for that price it was a good choice and Iam happy with the performance
This prices are depressing. The only reason I've got a 4080 is the fact that I managed to snatch a 3080 right after launch before prices skyrocketed, and could easily sell it, making it a reasonably priced upgrade overall.
I'm still using the same PC I bought in 2019 with a RX 580 and Ryzen 5 2600. Overall it was a bit saddening to be playing games I was so hyped about like Elden Ring at butchered framerates but at the same time there's no chance I could get my hands on something better currently.
However, one saving grace has been AMD's FSR. Running games like Judgment on my PC at 80 FPS and still having no particular quality drop felt and feels amazing. For the time being, I seriously hope more games devs begin utilizing these resources since as far as I'm aware it's both cheap for them to implement and saves lives for us "poor" gamers.
I had almost the same build for just about 3 years, when I started having big bluescreen problems related to my RAM. Switched both RAM and motherboard, but still had the same errors. Now I'm wondering if my 3600 or 580 were the problem. Have you had any noticeable errors with these AMD components?
That was my first ever build, so I've been thinking about trying Intel and Nvidia, seeing if that was a one-time thing or my parts met their end.
6500xt is around $150 now
Would love to see it go down to $99 tho
I think the problem lies with the public perception of how much is acceptable to spend in a graphics card, since most of the media and enthusiasts aren't constrained by tight budgets as maybe a student is, then they can more easily recommend something like a 300-400 usd card as "good value" or whatever and completely dismiss the cheaper options since from they point of view it's much cheaper than a 1000usd+ halo product.
And people recommending used parts (myself included) have more time and knowledge than most people shopping for cheap parts, for whom it can be really difficult, risky and tedious.
We tend to forget than most gamers are actual children, and that consoles actually exist and are quite good and affordable in comparison to new pcs.
2:43 I never expected 2kliks to laugh like that 💀. All jokes aside we are truly in an depressive state with GPUs/CPUs. You could buy one used for a little cheaper but then you could run the risk of it being mined already :(
I can't tell if he's laughing or crying 💀
@@TrueKyanite Both.
Both.
@@TrueKyanite nah bro he's dying 💀💀💀
Mining doesn't reduce the performance of a card, literally just replace the thermal paste when you buy it
I've been running the PALIT 1070 Jetstream for coming on 3 years now, got it for about £250 and it's been great. Giant card though, make sure your case can fit it.
Last night a friend talked me into finally upgrading to a $240 USD new RX 6600XT and just sitting out this generation of GPUs. I vowed I wouldn't upgrade until the price to performance was at least as good as I'd gotten last time I upgraded in 2017, and to my surprise it was an improvement of about 65% (more, if you account for inflation). And my current CPU can drive it fine.
Been putting off playing Half Life Alyx until I had a better GPU, as while my old GTX 1060 could run it, you can only experience a game for the first time once.
I have a 10400f ( good cpu for gaming ) Bought a 6700 for 270 euro reaseald from a big site was used by someoane for a couple of days . A big upgrade from my 1070 sold this one for 100 euro so thr 6700 was cheap for me . Big diference warzone 2.0 went from 120 fps on my 1070 to 200 fps constant ! First AMD Gpu for me and i got to Say i am pleased with IT , cheap and fast .
I have the same cpu thinking about buying the same gpu as you. Have you noticed any bottlenecks in any game so far? I am aiming for 1080p 60 fps gaming.
My mid tier pc with a GTX 1060 and i5 7600k in 2016 is now a budget build.
I honestly think right now the RX 6600 seems to be the most sensible entry for someone looking for 1440-1080p gaming with image reconstruction. The RTX 3050 is much more expensive compared to the RX6600 and performs a lot slower, and one step up the ladder is the RTX 3060 which don't get me wrong is a nice card but is again way too expensive. At this point you kinda need to decide if you want the Nvidia stuff like DLSS versus cheaper and better raster performance from AMD with the 6700 & 6700XT. But again none of them are cheap at all.
Unless all hope for GPU's are lost it just do not feel right getting anything from 2020-2022. AMD should have the tech and supply to make low to mid range cards at RDNA2 costs that performs so much better before the years end. But even if it is a foolish to trust AMD to not price the cards just insanely. I really rather stick with the stuff pre 2020. If that is how AMD and NV wanted to play it let them have it so. RX 580 I got is not super fast but I got it. Lucky that since else I had used a 280x
AMD had the free win with RDNA3. And they just blew it. 8k my guy! Price fixing... Naming a 7800 card as a 7900xt. But if they learned anything from years of screw up we can get some RX 6700 priced cards at so much better performance in less then a years time. Meanwhile old cards hopefully still works. Not like there is ANY GAME worth playing anyways. Still got RDR 2 to catch up with. I got no hurry getting a scalper card then and not now.
@@TheDiner50 I agree, even an old GTX 960 still holds up decently today. And it's not like I have a backlog full of games that I barely even touched dating back to 2012.
It's smart to wait for the right moment to upgrade, the midrange stuff of the future will be better than the highest end cards of today.
I bought a used GTX980 for 75 bucks, it can play modern games like cod warzone and even play vr, I NEVER hear anybody talk about this card, and you can buy it so cheap on places like ebay, or facebook marketplace, (Were I found mine). The GTX980 is such and underated gem.
Now this video of yours is really good, I like it. Keep making more.
Why not post the PCPartPicker link.
My current specs are RX 6600 and R5 5600.
I already got my hands on a 3060 Ti, and got it at basically MRP last year.
So I’m building my pc around that card, so I’m getting a Ryzen 7 5700x with a x570-p motherboard, Master cooler Masterliquid ML240L V2 AIO cooler, 32gb 3600MHz Cl16 dual series RAM. (Already got me a PSU that is 850W gold rated. And yea, I know it’s more than I need. But that way I won’t need to upgrade in a while. Also, it’s Corsair).
And I believe my m.2 is 500gb or 1tb, one or the other. Can’t remember on the top of my head.
Also, running a ASUS 1440p monitor as my main monitor and a side monitor that is a ASUS 1080p.
This will be a big upgrade from my i5-7400 CPU, 2400(2600?)MHz single RAM, with an old ass motherboard that I can’t remember the name of.
i got a 3070 for 370$ this year. i got a 1070 several years prior for 450$, when there was no shortages or scalping yet. it's fine-ish? as long as you will to take a risk
1:13 right, remember when hardware launch's were exciting
I went 6600 and r5 5600 8 months ago. Motherboard price was the thing that stopped me from going intel. I think it will be a while yet before we see something better value than the 6600.
Going to use the exact build. Do you have any tips/ recommendations?
From everything I've looked into, unless you really need a GPU right away, isn't it better value to just save for the 6650 XT? In Canadian dollars it's only around $100 more new and nets you roughly 15-20% better average performance over the 6600. Plus I'm sure you could likely find a 6650 XT used for around the price of a new 6600.
I'm also basing all of this on Passmark's ratings, and they have the 6650 XT as one of the best value to cost GPUs right now. Coming in 21 spaces above the 6600. So I could honestly be wrong, hence why I'm asking because I'm likely going to be upgrading my GPU in the next year or so, maybe even by the end of this year if I'm lucky.
@@Stephen__White yea good chance, the 6650 xt wasn't out at the time and 6600 xt wasn't available at as good value as the 6600.
@@Arked only that you'll lose DVI when going to a modern card, if that's something you care about. And that the xfx model of the 6600 can have a lot of coil whine.
@@usure2408 i actually have the xfx model and I dont hear anything yet
I think coil wine is pretty random and is just a lottery
Old Phil is back and he's rescued his balls from NVIDIA's clutch. We missed you Philip.
It's a great time to upgrade CPU if you're on AM4 and your motherboard supports a 5000 series CPU. RAM is cheap and 5000 is selling well below MSRP now. Upgrading my 2600X to a 5700X, and the 5700X is cheaper than the 2600X! Adding another 16GB RAM at less than half the price I got the original 16GB! As long as your GPU can tide you over, it's great now.
Good graph at 9:58
Just got home. What a timing
Dumb question: Do you think it's worth just getting a decent APU and then waiting until a decent cheap GPU comes out in like a year or two? I don't really play much triple A titles these days (at least not the latest ones anyhow except for mw2).
Just backed the GPD Win 4 (at the lowest configuration), I'm hoping that turns out to be a reasonably good budget gaming PC
hopefully the Budget Builds in Late 2023 video is more cheerful!
The problem with the 6500XT is that it's limited to 4 PCIe Lanes which will be bottlenecked if one were to use older PCIe 3.0 CPU's and motherboards.
Pauls Hardware just released a pretty good video about that, whole setup with monitor.
It's been a while since the video came around, but i have secured myself a $400 build with a used 1660 super and a similar A320M + Ryzen 4 4500 combo. 16 GB 2666MHz and no, i didn't cheap out on the power supply. I did however cheaped out on the case since it really doesn't matter except for some style points and mesh design solves every airflow problem ever. Oh and did I mention i got a 1TB SSD? It's a SATA 2.5" one rather than the usual M.2 but i think it's enough for pretty much everything and would only cost me a few seconds on the loading screen. Just goes to show that the price cuts in GPUs are so desperately needed since that's the only part on this build that have seen use.
I got an RX 5700 XT for $150 on eBay, and it’s absolutely amazing for that price.
2:40 got me
If your up for a bit of risk, you can get a rx 5700 XT for around 200 USD on ebay
I bought an MSI RX 6800XT (similar performance to RTX 3080) for 580 USD tax included
Just bought an RX 580 for just around 100 dollars, thing runs games like a beast which is funny since I upgraded from an RX 550 I bought a few years ago for just about the same price. If you wanna build a PC right now is the best time to do it
Been gaming with it for the past 3 years. Its enough for most game i play actively but it struggles with the more recent AAA releases. Cant really get stable 60 fps on lowest graphics anymore.
Only Philip goes the distance to test the best games we all know and love, such as Cyberfunk, F1 2077 and Fart Cry.
Just upgraded my pc. Build it 2020 and used a 5600g as graphic unit.
Worked fine with 1080p and games like farming simulator and minecraft.
Bought a 6800xt for 380€ of curse used but man its nice to finally go to 1440 p and max setting every game.
I planned it and took long but patient gets rewarded.
The Balls on this Guy running through England with 2 Graphics Cards hoping he will not get stabed in the next 35 Seconds. I respect it.
Love this video! Looking forward to more content like this. Side question, did you ask for permission to use the graphs from the other TH-cam channels? Certainly not saying it's not fair use, just seems like the respectful thing to do in the tech tube community.
I finally put my 1060 to rest last Christmas because I got a omegadeal on a 3060Ti.
And here in Brazil, AMD cards are more expensive than nvidia or the same price idk why.
Nao é nao
minha 7900xt e 6600xt foram mais baratas doque as equivalentes da nvidia
@@luisaazul Depende das gerações, essa agora obviamente qqr placa vai ser mais barata que a 4090. E por exemplo, minhas 4850 HD e R9 270X foram mais caras que as opções da Nvidia nos respectivos lançamentos.
My 1080ti died recently. I bought it for $700 USD in 2017. It hurt to buy at the time, but 5+ years later, what an absolute steal. 1440p and still pushing 60fps in most games.
Trying to get a new GPU right now is painful with current prices.
Not that deep of research but according to two benchmarks realized in graphics cards (from 1080's until 4090)
the best price-perfomance graphics card for gaming is the rx6600xt (Can't check price rn, out of stock 13:27 GMT 23rd, January)
the best processor i could find for it that is budget performance but that doesn't make the system cpu bound is the 5 3600 (cant get in dollars).
Now, the part i REALLY hate about PC's, motherboards, they are SOOO expensive rn, i got the b450 gaming plus max, and it costs 100 dollars (checked 13:22 GMT 23rd of January on amazon)
I got a NV2. PCIe 4 Kingston SSD 1 tb (52.99 12%off 13:24 GMT 23rd January)
16 gb of memory ddr4 3200mhz (cheapest i found for was 42.99 13:28 GMT 23rd, January)
500w power supply suplies this...
I was so excited for the Arc cards until I saw the actual pricing, where the top a770 was about £30 more than a new 3060ti (at best the a770 competed with the non ti 3060, but it may have improved since release), nevermind the used market which can offer even better value. Still hopeful for intel's future generations though.