@@flappybird_fpv8370 I'm expecting the level of Ray Tracing in Crysis Remastered 2 with the graphical detail of 3, at LEAST. That would be pretty demanding with full RTGI, Reflections, Shadows, etc.
I really like your more down to earth approaches to this topic. Larger reviewers tend to kind of loose their grasp on what the people who are the intended target are actually like.
Almost universal snobbishness on every major channel whenever they talk about anything for the average Joe. Their audience is for enthusiast who usually spend alot more of their income on computer hardware and are mainly from countries with lower prices. Gamer nexus is probably the only big channel whose more realistic and less cringey to moderate hardware. LTT fanbois are downright toxic.
My first computer had a 1 core processor clocked at a mind-blowing 1.7Ghz running integrated graphics that could manage 30fps in CS 1.6 and an earth shattering 2fps in CSS, after a year of begging my father bought me an ATI XFX HD 5750 for my birthday, and what an amazing birthday that was, now I was getting 100fps in 1.6 and could finally play source games with framerates between 30-60 depending on the maps, crazy how technology evolved since then that integrated graphics are now actually useable to play modern games.
@@2kliksphilip as a pc hardware enthusiast it really saddens me to see the current lack of availability when it comes to pc parts, or the astronomical prices that they’re given in the even that they are in stock, I’m in Australia and most of our retailers are selling gpus at double or sometimes higher their asking price (converted to aud of course), which is quite sad to see.
@@2kliksphilip the lack of hardware is what makes it fascinating. Hearing the experience with what you have available rather than everything being tested on an overclocked i9 or a 3090. The way that you manage to inform us of real world set ups makes your content attractive, down to your rescued desk you talked about in the NotHere video, rather than some TH-camrs $6000 robotic standing desk with built in RGB.
Fascinating that your 2200G died like that, I wonder how changing the VRAM size broke it. Assuming reverting the BIOS setting did not fix it, maybe the rumours I picked up of first gen Ryzen having weak memory controllers and those chips dying quickly are related. I can cite neither and am going of my memory here, only remembered when you specifically mentioned it practically being first gen Ryzen (I know the APUs are a gen behind).
Thing is, it wouldn't have affected performance had he left the memory allocation to 64MB or 2GB, seeing as after "running out" of those 64MB it would spill over into using the system memory, which it uses anyway. Hardware Unboxed did a good video on this. Sure games might report lower memory but performance would have been unaffected.
It actually happens to a lot of people that when you change a random BIOS setting, the AMD system appears dead; the remedy is to perform CMOS memory reset using the specific procedure in the mainboard manual, like if it says the ATX power supply needs to be unpowered, then it needs to be unpowered. If you deviate from the procedure at all, you might not get a clean reset, you might get residue of formerly stored values configuration values. The values you have to be afraid of are not the visible ones, but the hidden values from training. You may need to do it several times, also removing the battery and shorting the battery contacts; but this doesn't set the correct clear flag, so you need to reinstall the battery, and then use the clear pins to have it activate the clear flag, and try to boot the system shortly after. This assuming that none of the components took damage. I wager a guess, if the components such as the APU are really dead, then that's purely unrelated. That the APU was already dead but just didn't know it yet, and it's just a coincidence that it decided to do its last breath that specific time.
I had a 1070 with a ryzen 3 1300x, every game was limited due to cpu, Battlefield 1 was lagging really hard from the top down wiev, but after upgrading to a ryzen 7 2700X my gpu is at 100% all the time and all the games runs buttery smooth, finally got an amazing mid range pc
I would like to know why the 2200G died, seems pretty weird that increasing the memory caused it to die. Now it will make me think twice about doing that in the future lol.
It was probably already dead for unrelated reasons, and just didn't know it yet. That it took its last breath that moment may be a coincidence. But it might also be that all the hardware is OK and the system has a training data error in the CMOS memory that prevents it from booting or recovery. It can be actually quite difficult to clear CMOS on modern systems and have it actually take hold, a lot of conditions need to be met, so the manual needs to be followed. Like CMOS will not be cleared if the battery is removed, it will only be corrupted. It will also not be cleared if there's +5VSB remaining and under other circumstances. Even when doing it correctly, several attempts may be needed. This sort of recoverable corruption seems to be somewhat frequrently reported.
7:22 Could you not just reset the bios by clearing CMOS ? Also increasing the framebuffer on a intergraded graphics pc wont do anything, unless the rest of the RAM is being used by other programs, which is very unlikely for modern games if 16GB of RAM is used and for old games with 8GB of RAM. The pc will just use however much of RAM it needs for the framebuffer, no matter what you set it too in bios, which is more of a ringfencing. Edit: Seems he has answered, check pinned comment.
what is the song that starts at 5:50 ? i dont remember ever hearing it on the klik empire and it doesnt exactly sound like something you your dad have made. i like it very much. it could be from the new album, but i dont recognise it. you definitely should use it more in your videos :)
You might've already tried this, but did you take our the CMOS battery and try to use the CPU again? Did you also try it in a different motherboard? I find it odd how the 2200G just died when you gave it more VRAM. Anyways though, awesome video! It's fascinating to see how low end components are faring these days! I'm fortunate enough to have a 3600 and a GTX 1080 which still works just fine, but I feel sorry for others who aren't able to upgrade to something better than what already existed from 2016. Then again, better that than nothing at all.
they, especially amd ones, can die for no reasons. heck I thought mine died from undervolting but no, then it was the motherboard. not that it makes more sense.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j Good point! I haven't spotted any 5700xt's or 2060-2070's for a reasonable price here (Norway), but I'm glad you're able to find something for less than selling your kidney at the black market level.
@@-TheLynx- well 5700xt's were like the best card for mining so those prices hiked a lot. And 20 series cards are also expensive, but now you get like a 2070 super for 500-600euro. Bad, just not worse than 2018. Or can get a 3060 for slightly more. Most reasonable prices have been for 1070 & 1080's imo tho.
I know this video is 3 months old, but the 2200g is probably not dead, you just need to reset your Bios to default settings and it will turn on again, the reason why it's not turning on is because the 2200g can only handle 2gb of VRAM, so it doesn't know what's happening when it has to use 3gb, try to reset the CMOS or remove the Motherboard battery for like a minute and put it back in, it will reset the Bios to default, and it should Boot, but if doesn't RIP
I worked on performances optimization and graphics on the PC version of some big franchise and stutter usually means disk accesses or memory swap. The OS might be swapping some GPU memory to disk causing stalls or the game is trying to just load something big from disk. My hunch is that the texture resolution is too high and you are busting your VRAM memory. You can view this in the task manager > Performance > Graphic processor. Once the dedicated memory is filled and you start to see the shared memory rise up is when things start to get stuttery. It's because the whole pipeline has to come to a crawl as disk accesses are made which are extremly slow.
I'm putting one of these in a pc I bought in 2015 after my 7870 finally died. I'm sure my phenom II x3 b75 processor is a bit better than what you're working with but I'm hoping the 6500xt will bring it back to life!
I think/hope your CPU isn't dead. Did you try to reset the mainboard BIOS, either through a jumper (check the manual) or CMOS reset button on the board or I/O panel? Kinda hard to believe the APU flat-out died because of the framebuffer size setting.
Hey Philip, just wondering if you are going to/have already and I'm just stupid cover Source 2s hammer editor version, or is there not much point. Wanting to get into hammer, and I own alyx, and was just wondering if it's better to use the old hammer tuts or see if there's one available for the current version.
I like that you're focusing on this budget card, although I wish you had a 3050 to compare them. I'd imagine the 8GB of VRAM in the 3050 would help immensely.
Looking forward to the comparison to a 480! I have a 480 8GB myself which is about 3 years old now. My previous 2 graphics cards (two HD 6870's) failed me after around 3-4 years, bit scared this one will go down the same path. Still don't know what would be a good alternative that wouldn't break the bank if the 480 would give out. Are you going to test it with a 480 with 4GB or with 8GB?
People get... intense when discussing APUs. I've got a pretty small channel, but I've already had someone get rather angry at me for overclocking the iGPU in a 3400GE and not overclocking the RAM higher. Not in a "you should use faster RAM, it will be better" way of talking, but more of a "YOU ARE THE REASON THINGS ARE AWFUL IN THE WORLD" way. I can't blame you for being over cautious.
You dont want CPU bottleneck just for the sake of balancing the specs. On a weaker GPU you can still can play some new games with lower settings or resolution. But if your cpu is weak you will see micro stutters all over the place. So in gaming a gpu bottleneck is always better than cpu bottleneck, just try to not over reach the vram.
I don't really see 6500 XT as a viable option if your motherboard isn't equipped with Gen 4 PCIe to fully utilize the GPU. Just a note for anyone interested in buying this GPU. Mainly because you would be better off with a 1650, since it actually has more features than the 6500XT. That is, if it's hopefully in stock and in normal price.
An i3-12100, i5-12400, or 11400 make FAR more sense to pair with the 6500xt. Because they support PCIe 4.0 and have an IGP with encoder. It is not recommend to pair the 6500xt with other CPUs due to it's bad PCIe 3.0 performance and no encoders
but people who are in the market for just the gpu (and a whole lot are), this is what they are going to get. people with a 2nd gen ryzen arent going to upgrade their entire system just to get the 15% more from the gpu.
@@bodek well second gen ryzen to something like 12th gen intel or zen 3 is a huge upgrade alone. ryzen has been lacking in terms of gaming versus intel until zen 3
@@notcraig255 what good is all that cpu computing power with no gpu, because you spent all your money on a new cpu instead of a graphucs card.this video is about the 6500xt, nkt the 3090ti
@@bodek a good cpu makes your computer faster, programs faster, everything faster. not everything relies on the GPU alone. having something like a 5600X or 12400 can make sure you never have to worry about CPU bottlenecks (for a couple generations) or having a slow computer because these 2 processors are very capable.
im saying people who are looking to buy THIS card dont have the money to buy a better cpu. they have 200 dollars to spend on a component that will improve their pc. a 6500xt will improve gaming preformance a thousand times more than buying a 5600x instead
would it be worth it to grab a 6500 xt now or wait until better cards become cheaper? my poor r7 240 wants me to put it to rest already but i still dont want to let it go
@@2kliksphilip my cpu's just an a10-7890k, quad core, i have it running at 4.2ghz. it was cheap and a huge upgrade when i got it. i still feel like it's somewhat decent and i think the gpu's really the one holding back my pc as the igpu of my cpu is almost identical to the r7 240, except the r7 has 2gb vram while my igpu only has 1gb
@@notcraig255 it is, yet it's also the most cheapest yet somewhat decent build i could make. i had the r7 240 for about 6 years now, at the time of buying that card it was a huge upgrade from intel's igpu then i got my cpu which kinda just made my card obsolete lol
@@2kliksphilip yeah you're right though i think going with a 12th gen or zen 3 cpu and pcie gen 4 motherboard would be better, AMD jumped on the pcie gen 4 wagon so early and they are going onto the pcie gen 5 wagon already, its best if you go to a pcie gen 4 system. yes the 5600G is zen 3 but its actually a pcie gen 3 cpu, very stupid.
@@2kliksphilip hey i've been considering upgrading my cpu instead, and i have a question regarding it. i've read online that you may need to reinstall windows once you upgraded mobo+cpu but i also found sites where it said you don't have to. is it really possible i can just change my mobo and cpu without reinstalling windows?
It's pretty much the worst time to be a gamer... If you're like me, stuck on a 10-year-old system you're in a real pickle. I've been considering buying an i5-12400 and pairing it with a RTX 3050... but the 3050 trades for prices like the GTX 1070 did back in 2016 when you factor in inflation and also the 3050 lies between 1070 and 1080 in terms of performance, this is not a very good deal. I've been primarily using the PS4 for the past few years anyway, so my plan now is to wait until the PS5 is available at some point in the future at the original MSRP. If it takes one or two years and there's already a PS5 Slim... that's fine with me.
Ripperoni 2200G, lmao at the Asus bios having 3gb iGPU option tho since that shouldn't even be possible Reminds of the time I was testing flck clock/power scaling and it let me put like 667mhz or 800mhz Just remember it was one tier below the supposed minimum supported... Ironically also Asus motherboard here Nothing died tho, just le CMOS clear and was good to go but definitely got a mini heart attack when it didn't turn on
I am surprised by the Deus Ex Mankind Divided surprised me. My 5700 XT paired with a Ryzen 2600X @ 4 GHz performs better, but not THAT much better. CPU limitation. I am however running it on Linux via WINE
@@2kliksphilip Running a 144 Hz freesync monitor that i cannot disable vsync completely due to using wayland. But the benchmarks are as follows: 1080p Ultra: Average: 83.8 FPS Minimum: 65.1 FPS Maximum: 108.4 FPS 1080p High: Average: 108.0 FPS Minimum: 81.7 FPS Maximum: 141.5 FPS 1080p Low: Average: 126.4 FPS Minimum: 98.5 FPS Max: 146.3 FPS They are still a LOT better than the 6500 XT, however.. the 5700 XT pushes 200 watts, and the 2600X boosts to 4 GHz on all cores. Running 16 gigs of 3200 MT/s memory. That 1080p Low still has issues is surprising, but i am sure it is the 2600X that is under delivering here.
2klik, with 6500xt: 57 avg fps @ 1080p/low. me, with gtx 760ti: 150 avg fps @ 1080p/low CSGO. also me: hmm userbenchmark says 6500xt is over 100% better than 760ti me: should i upgrade? edit: philip, do u think u can do a benchmark to CSGO for the 6500 xt? your fanbase is largely from csgo so is quite relevant. I know, CPU is more important but.. video card still relevant too.
if you have a 760ti, a rx 6500xt is a pretty good upgrade. but i'd continue looking for something like a 6600, those can sell for decent prices and are a lot better. and i'm someone who owns a 6500xt
the allocation of memory is automatic and it should take what it needs. There should not be any difference from the bios setting. Pretty sure this has been proven several times. You killed it for nothing XD
It's weird how the cpu just "died", i'm no expert at all so take this with a grain of salt but sounds like you could try restarting the cmos, maybe the cpu is not dead, it could be a compatibility problem with the configuration you chose.
I honestly think this is the niche that fits 2kilksphilip the best currently, pc gaming and general gaming tech related stuff, ever since your old "nvidia stop being a dick" and the "200 dollar hero" videos i loved them.
That Half Life 2 comment WAS meant to be in jest Philip! I am honestly amazed just how recent some of the games are that still run decently 1080p +60FPS on the unit. It seems reviewers overly focused on the poor performance of this card when they really should have focused on its poor price; in an ideal market this would be an entry level $50ish dollar GPU
Yeah, this is a GT 1030/RX 550 tier card, the price is completely absurd, if it was $100 no one would complain about the performance or other sacrifices.
For me, these type of videos offer a good perspective on pc tech and it doesn’t collide with tech TH-camrs that do only/mostly this. I mean, more testing on this is better imo, these type of things are at their best when many people are testing these kind of things But that’s just my opinion, maybe I’m just biased for philip and his videos without wanting to hate the other testers/creators
@@2kliksphilip i've been holding out for 4 years using a ryzen 5 2600 + an r9 390x and your videos certainly cater to my demographic. i personally don't see any reason to upgrade what i have because i found my niche in gaming and there's simply no need for any upgrades now that i'm satisfied with it. i've figured you out, philip. your style involves an impressive amount of introspection at nearly every turn, and this in turn leads me to believe that you figured out what happens after we die.
the odd circumstances of ultra settings getting better framerates in farcry5 is pretty common in open world games, something to do with offloading the grass and other groundclutter to the GPU and reducing drawcalls. please try vulcan vs directX on a similar setup. I've heard vulcan reduces CPU load by a fair bit because it prevents the thousands of drawcalls and general inefficiency of directX. closer to the metal, more like a console.
I would love to see these tests with lossless scaling adding FSR as well, it be cool to know if it's possible to squeeze that extra bit of performance out of those games that are just off playable
I've seen this before, sometimes our hardware can be a bit over-emotional like in this case. They want you to be happy with the performance they give you, but instead you try to push them beyond their limits. It's always sad to see an APU take its own life. I just hope other people learn from this experience and try to appreciate the performance their hardware can give them rather than to push them over their limits. I love you GTX 1070. P.S. I think a tribute video for the 2200g would be in order given the amount of content it provided. RIP 2200g, gone but not forgotten.
You can use any of the Doom Eternal presets so long as you scale back down the texture setting, as that's what's causing the VRAM limitation issues. I can play on Ultra Nightmare with textures set to Ultra because i only have 6GB.
I want to make a note here, as I got far cry 5 recently, the HD Textures setting actually requires over 9gbs of VRAM, the counter in the settings is completely off. Playing with my rx 580 would result in a crash 5-10 minutes in the game and it took a while to find it was maxing my card's 8GBs
Great video, this GPUs performance is so fascinating. Ive actually heard some people say that some of the Very High/Ultra settings in Mankind Divided had some issues, like Ambient Occlusion being too strong or higher quality shadows having rendering/filtering issues. So 1080p High Settings at 60fps in the benchmark, which is more demanding than most parts in the game, is great performance. Doom Eternal having so many issues is very worrying compared to how well the Series S runs Doom Eternal. My 390 could run Doom Eternal quite well at a dynamic 1440p at around Medium settings. Would love to see how well this GPU compares to the Series S in Watch Dogs Legion and Metro Exodus Enhanced, because the latter game pushes that small console to its limits.
@@2kliksphilip Wow, even if you drop the res scale to 0.5, I think the Series S can drop that low? Then again at that rate, you are probably better off with running the original.
Hey, so about the pc never turning on again. If you have only been trying the same cpu in the same motherboard, did you try resetting the bios info on the motherboard? I once had a similar issue trying to overclock my RAM and had to remove the motherboard battery and look up on my laptop which 2 pins I could short to revert my bios settings. I'm kinda afraid to leave this comment for fear of being "one of those people", but hopefully I can help you save a pc here.
I completed the main questline of Oblivion back in 2007 at probably 25-35 FPS (with a 7600GS), and again a few years later on a laptop with integrated graphics at about 15-20 FPS! I've played games since the early 90s and I find that playing current games - RD2, FC New Dawn, Teardown - is fine at 40 FPS, plus I get to see all the amazing effects which have been added to games in the past 20 years and which still impress me (modern shader effects and even basic effects like dynamic shadows are still incredible to me). I think a bit of perspective is needed here. What is possible with a £200 GPU is amazing - forget the hype around the high end. I've recently got a laptop with a 65 watt RTX 3050 - slightly worse than the desktop RX 6500 XT - and it's really impressed me. I can run modern games at 1440p at medium-high settings and I think they look and feel great. Most hardware reviewers are coming from viewing the best hardware available when they come to this and are accordingly biased - at least you seem to have an appreciation for the benefits of PC hardware as a whole - that it's endlessly scalable and impressive at all levels as long as the cost of access is fair. As you've said before, there's no such thing as a bad GPU - only a badly priced GPU. The RX6500XT certainly provides enough performance for current games, it's just that it should cost £150. If you're looking for a GPU currently, the used market is the place to go - a 1060 6GB or RX580 8GB will provide plenty of power even for modern games at 1080p/1440p and still look great - it's just a shame that these second hand GPUs are often costing more than they did at launch 5+ years ago. Carry on making your great videos!
Interesting pov as always! Also if you try out rdr 2 on this gpu like you mentionned I would suggest trying the custom Xbox One X graphics setting, it's so worth it for this gpu imo (although maybe you already know abt it) : th-cam.com/video/D1iNSyvIPaY/w-d-xo.html (settings list in the comments)
i had a friend who had a computer that has been running on fumes since 2021. Since the graphics card market has been rather dire, I strongly urged him to wait for a golden opportunity when prices start going down again. But getting the 6500xt for him would be a nice alternative.
what resolution is he running because issues such as bandwidth or VRAM would be less of an issue at lower resolutions, 1080p is sometimes too much in games, thanks god for FSR and especially temporal reconstruction.
I bought my first pc last year with a ryzen 5 pro 4650g. I could play any game i wanted (warzone 1080p low with somethings in medium at 60fps). Later I added a 1650 and it was beatiful, and now i changed it for a 3060. Only thing I can say for sure is that if your apu is good as a cpu, add a gpu when you can and you have a computer for a really long time
Pssst, there's a really cool little script that ThioJoe developed to get rid of spam comments. LinusTech featured it too and it may be of good use to you. 😉
Great video, I do find it interesting that you say you want both CPU And GPU to be a little bottlenecked while playing to indicate a balanced system. I've always figured that it's cheaper to invest in a CPU that can handle more GPU, so your GPU bottleneck can be fixed with one part upgrade down the line, and the rest of your PC gets faster. If you're CPU bottlenecked you spent a lot on a GPU and to upgrade CPU you could need to buy a new CPU, Cooler, even motherboard and ram, compared to just the GPU and at worst the power supply when upgrade time comes. Ryzen 5s and i5s can handle 80 series cards, definitely 70 series, but people get them with 60 series so they can get a big bonus when they get a next generation 60 or 70 series GPU. On such a tight budget though, the minimum CPU for gaming now and not in 5 years is ideal, especially with Ryzen's incredible motherboard compatibility to go from a ryzen 3 to a ryzen 9
Admittedly this school of thought is based on the PC buying experience from 2018, considering ryzen 5 1600s and 1060s, when the ryzen 5 would reach its limit at the 1080ti, and an i3 8100 was a quad core that could handle the 1070ti without bottlenecking
@@2kliksphilip I absolutely agree. Responsible and realistic shoppers would pair budget hardware with budget hardware, rather than midrange with budget in the hopes that they will upgrade one day, then replacing it before their midrange CPU ever gets to stretch it's legs
I fear the day the new crysis comes out and you hit it with this setup
Would be more fearful if it manage to get 60fps
New crysis won't be as punishing as old one given it's sequel
@@flappybird_fpv8370 I'm expecting the level of Ray Tracing in Crysis Remastered 2 with the graphical detail of 3, at LEAST.
That would be pretty demanding with full RTGI, Reflections, Shadows, etc.
I really like your more down to earth approaches to this topic. Larger reviewers tend to kind of loose their grasp on what the people who are the intended target are actually like.
Almost universal snobbishness on every major channel whenever they talk about anything for the average Joe.
Their audience is for enthusiast who usually spend alot more of their income on computer hardware and are mainly from countries with lower prices.
Gamer nexus is probably the only big channel whose more realistic and less cringey to moderate hardware.
LTT fanbois are downright toxic.
My first computer had a 1 core processor clocked at a mind-blowing 1.7Ghz running integrated graphics that could manage 30fps in CS 1.6 and an earth shattering 2fps in CSS, after a year of begging my father bought me an ATI XFX HD 5750 for my birthday, and what an amazing birthday that was, now I was getting 100fps in 1.6 and could finally play source games with framerates between 30-60 depending on the maps, crazy how technology evolved since then that integrated graphics are now actually useable to play modern games.
Always love your pc hardware videos Philip!!!
You always manage to provide an interesting insight that other channels don’t provide!
@@2kliksphilip as a pc hardware enthusiast it really saddens me to see the current lack of availability when it comes to pc parts, or the astronomical prices that they’re given in the even that they are in stock, I’m in Australia and most of our retailers are selling gpus at double or sometimes higher their asking price (converted to aud of course), which is quite sad to see.
@@2kliksphilip the lack of hardware is what makes it fascinating. Hearing the experience with what you have available rather than everything being tested on an overclocked i9 or a 3090. The way that you manage to inform us of real world set ups makes your content attractive, down to your rescued desk you talked about in the NotHere video, rather than some TH-camrs $6000 robotic standing desk with built in RGB.
Love to see a phillip video - honestly, budget hardware videos are more entertaining than insanely high end hardware reviews.
and a lot more people can make use of them
i run high end stuff and i still am more interested in budget hardware videos, they're more interesting
god bless you philip
LONG MAY HE REIGN!
Fascinating that your 2200G died like that, I wonder how changing the VRAM size broke it.
Assuming reverting the BIOS setting did not fix it, maybe the rumours I picked up of first gen Ryzen having weak memory controllers and those chips dying quickly are related.
I can cite neither and am going of my memory here, only remembered when you specifically mentioned it practically being first gen Ryzen (I know the APUs are a gen behind).
Thing is, it wouldn't have affected performance had he left the memory allocation to 64MB or 2GB, seeing as after "running out" of those 64MB it would spill over into using the system memory, which it uses anyway. Hardware Unboxed did a good video on this.
Sure games might report lower memory but performance would have been unaffected.
It actually happens to a lot of people that when you change a random BIOS setting, the AMD system appears dead; the remedy is to perform CMOS memory reset using the specific procedure in the mainboard manual, like if it says the ATX power supply needs to be unpowered, then it needs to be unpowered. If you deviate from the procedure at all, you might not get a clean reset, you might get residue of formerly stored values configuration values. The values you have to be afraid of are not the visible ones, but the hidden values from training. You may need to do it several times, also removing the battery and shorting the battery contacts; but this doesn't set the correct clear flag, so you need to reinstall the battery, and then use the clear pins to have it activate the clear flag, and try to boot the system shortly after.
This assuming that none of the components took damage.
I wager a guess, if the components such as the APU are really dead, then that's purely unrelated. That the APU was already dead but just didn't know it yet, and it's just a coincidence that it decided to do its last breath that specific time.
Pour one out for the 2200G and it's lovely life of benchmarking **raises glass**
2200G and 2400G are really underrated, it's a shame they are so expensive now. I put a 2400G in my mom's computer years ago and it has been amazing.
I had a 1070 with a ryzen 3 1300x, every game was limited due to cpu, Battlefield 1 was lagging really hard from the top down wiev, but after upgrading to a ryzen 7 2700X my gpu is at 100% all the time and all the games runs buttery smooth, finally got an amazing mid range pc
I would like to know why the 2200G died, seems pretty weird that increasing the memory caused it to die.
Now it will make me think twice about doing that in the future lol.
It was probably already dead for unrelated reasons, and just didn't know it yet. That it took its last breath that moment may be a coincidence.
But it might also be that all the hardware is OK and the system has a training data error in the CMOS memory that prevents it from booting or recovery. It can be actually quite difficult to clear CMOS on modern systems and have it actually take hold, a lot of conditions need to be met, so the manual needs to be followed. Like CMOS will not be cleared if the battery is removed, it will only be corrupted. It will also not be cleared if there's +5VSB remaining and under other circumstances. Even when doing it correctly, several attempts may be needed. This sort of recoverable corruption seems to be somewhat frequrently reported.
7:22 Could you not just reset the bios by clearing CMOS ?
Also increasing the framebuffer on a intergraded graphics pc wont do anything, unless the rest of the RAM is being used by other programs, which is very unlikely for modern games if 16GB of RAM is used and for old games with 8GB of RAM.
The pc will just use however much of RAM it needs for the framebuffer, no matter what you set it too in bios, which is more of a ringfencing.
Edit: Seems he has answered, check pinned comment.
I was wondering the same exact thing
Seems he did reset the CMOS, but the board only booted with a different CPU. That's interesting about the RAM though.
Please look at the userbenchmark description for this card, it gave me quite a laugh....
I like the music you used in this video
what is the song that starts at 5:50 ? i dont remember ever hearing it on the klik empire and it doesnt exactly sound like something you your dad have made. i like it very much. it could be from the new album, but i dont recognise it. you definitely should use it more in your videos :)
Did you try to reset the CMOS? Seeing that a bios setting bricked the thing there is a chance it would come back if you did. No guarantees though.
This is the correct solution, the same thing happened to me and in fact, it saved my system.
You might've already tried this, but did you take our the CMOS battery and try to use the CPU again? Did you also try it in a different motherboard?
I find it odd how the 2200G just died when you gave it more VRAM.
Anyways though, awesome video! It's fascinating to see how low end components are faring these days!
I'm fortunate enough to have a 3600 and a GTX 1080 which still works just fine, but I feel sorry for others who aren't able to upgrade to something better than what already existed from 2016. Then again, better that than nothing at all.
they, especially amd ones, can die for no reasons.
heck I thought mine died from undervolting but no, then it was the motherboard. not that it makes more sense.
as for upgrading, one can upgrade to something from 2018, the cards are basically the same price now (used market at least)
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j Good point! I haven't spotted any 5700xt's or 2060-2070's for a reasonable price here (Norway), but I'm glad you're able to find something for less than selling your kidney at the black market level.
@@-TheLynx- well 5700xt's were like the best card for mining so those prices hiked a lot. And 20 series cards are also expensive, but now you get like a 2070 super for 500-600euro. Bad, just not worse than 2018. Or can get a 3060 for slightly more.
Most reasonable prices have been for 1070 & 1080's imo tho.
Quality video. You have become quite good at narration.
now I'm going to watch all of it, just cause you said it didn't get as much attention as you'd hope. and I'm going to enjoy it. deal with it
I know this video is 3 months old, but the 2200g is probably not dead, you just need to reset your Bios to default settings and it will turn on again, the reason why it's not turning on is because the 2200g can only handle 2gb of VRAM, so it doesn't know what's happening when it has to use 3gb, try to reset the CMOS or remove the Motherboard battery for like a minute and put it back in, it will reset the Bios to default, and it should Boot, but if doesn't RIP
This GPUs current price here in Brazil is higher than the amount I paid for a 1080 a few years ago. What a moment to be alive.
You did well 2200G, you have my Fs
I worked on performances optimization and graphics on the PC version of some big franchise and stutter usually means disk accesses or memory swap. The OS might be swapping some GPU memory to disk causing stalls or the game is trying to just load something big from disk. My hunch is that the texture resolution is too high and you are busting your VRAM memory. You can view this in the task manager > Performance > Graphic processor. Once the dedicated memory is filled and you start to see the shared memory rise up is when things start to get stuttery.
It's because the whole pipeline has to come to a crawl as disk accesses are made which are extremly slow.
I'm putting one of these in a pc I bought in 2015 after my 7870 finally died. I'm sure my phenom II x3 b75 processor is a bit better than what you're working with but I'm hoping the 6500xt will bring it back to life!
I think/hope your CPU isn't dead. Did you try to reset the mainboard BIOS, either through a jumper (check the manual) or CMOS reset button on the board or I/O panel? Kinda hard to believe the APU flat-out died because of the framebuffer size setting.
I love this! i myself own a 3200g without any graphics card (yet), thank you!
On low settings in FC5, CPU was bottlenecking but then GPU usage went high and FPS increased.
12th i3 or i5 is perfect for this.
Is the video a bit wobbly, or have I just completely lost my mind?
Hey Philip, just wondering if you are going to/have already and I'm just stupid cover Source 2s hammer editor version, or is there not much point. Wanting to get into hammer, and I own alyx, and was just wondering if it's better to use the old hammer tuts or see if there's one available for the current version.
I like that you're focusing on this budget card, although I wish you had a 3050 to compare them. I'd imagine the 8GB of VRAM in the 3050 would help immensely.
thing is 3050s arent available at the 250 dollar msrp price like the 6500xt is
Of course he'd be trying to get his money's worth on the 6500XT. That's how investments work.
Looking forward to the comparison to a 480! I have a 480 8GB myself which is about 3 years old now.
My previous 2 graphics cards (two HD 6870's) failed me after around 3-4 years, bit scared this one will go down the same path. Still don't know what would be a good alternative that wouldn't break the bank if the 480 would give out.
Are you going to test it with a 480 with 4GB or with 8GB?
7:30 normally, ubisoft games are more cpu intensive, rip the processor.
People get... intense when discussing APUs. I've got a pretty small channel, but I've already had someone get rather angry at me for overclocking the iGPU in a 3400GE and not overclocking the RAM higher. Not in a "you should use faster RAM, it will be better" way of talking, but more of a "YOU ARE THE REASON THINGS ARE AWFUL IN THE WORLD" way.
I can't blame you for being over cautious.
this video seemed so stressful!
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Doom eternal rarely exceeded 50 and often dropped to the 30s on my GTX 970...
You dont want CPU bottleneck just for the sake of balancing the specs. On a weaker GPU you can still can play some new games with lower settings or resolution. But if your cpu is weak you will see micro stutters all over the place. So in gaming a gpu bottleneck is always better than cpu bottleneck, just try to not over reach the vram.
shadow of war was 150 because you downloaded the 4k cutscenes, it's only 70 gigs without. ok well i probably shouldn't say "only" that's still a lot
I don't really see 6500 XT as a viable option if your motherboard isn't equipped with Gen 4 PCIe to fully utilize the GPU. Just a note for anyone interested in buying this GPU.
Mainly because you would be better off with a 1650, since it actually has more features than the 6500XT. That is, if it's hopefully in stock and in normal price.
May I suggest x5675 6 core on 1366 mbo for bench?
I have asked this before but if possible can you run the recent i3 for low end PCIE 4 comparisons
An i3-12100, i5-12400, or 11400 make FAR more sense to pair with the 6500xt. Because they support PCIe 4.0 and have an IGP with encoder. It is not recommend to pair the 6500xt with other CPUs due to it's bad PCIe 3.0 performance and no encoders
but people who are in the market for just the gpu (and a whole lot are), this is what they are going to get. people with a 2nd gen ryzen arent going to upgrade their entire system just to get the 15% more from the gpu.
@@bodek well second gen ryzen to something like 12th gen intel or zen 3 is a huge upgrade alone. ryzen has been lacking in terms of gaming versus intel until zen 3
@@notcraig255 what good is all that cpu computing power with no gpu, because you spent all your money on a new cpu instead of a graphucs card.this video is about the 6500xt, nkt the 3090ti
@@bodek a good cpu makes your computer faster, programs faster, everything faster. not everything relies on the GPU alone. having something like a 5600X or 12400 can make sure you never have to worry about CPU bottlenecks (for a couple generations) or having a slow computer because these 2 processors are very capable.
im saying people who are looking to buy THIS card dont have the money to buy a better cpu. they have 200 dollars to spend on a component that will improve their pc. a 6500xt will improve gaming preformance a thousand times more than buying a 5600x instead
would it be worth it to grab a 6500 xt now or wait until better cards become cheaper?
my poor r7 240 wants me to put it to rest already but i still dont want to let it go
@@2kliksphilip my cpu's just an a10-7890k, quad core, i have it running at 4.2ghz.
it was cheap and a huge upgrade when i got it. i still feel like it's somewhat decent and i think the gpu's really the one holding back my pc as the igpu of my cpu is almost identical to the r7 240, except the r7 has 2gb vram while my igpu only has 1gb
your pc is ancient wtf
@@notcraig255 it is, yet it's also the most cheapest yet somewhat decent build i could make. i had the r7 240 for about 6 years now, at the time of buying that card it was a huge upgrade from intel's igpu then i got my cpu which kinda just made my card obsolete lol
@@2kliksphilip yeah you're right though i think going with a 12th gen or zen 3 cpu and pcie gen 4 motherboard would be better, AMD jumped on the pcie gen 4 wagon so early and they are going onto the pcie gen 5 wagon already, its best if you go to a pcie gen 4 system. yes the 5600G is zen 3 but its actually a pcie gen 3 cpu, very stupid.
@@2kliksphilip hey i've been considering upgrading my cpu instead, and i have a question regarding it.
i've read online that you may need to reinstall windows once you upgraded mobo+cpu but i also found sites where it said you don't have to. is it really possible i can just change my mobo and cpu without reinstalling windows?
had the 2200g not died you could have tried editing a video on this combo to show how bad/not bad it would be compared to your 3080/3800x
i would like to see this card stepped on by Minecraft RTX
It's pretty much the worst time to be a gamer... If you're like me, stuck on a 10-year-old system you're in a real pickle. I've been considering buying an i5-12400 and pairing it with a RTX 3050... but the 3050 trades for prices like the GTX 1070 did back in 2016 when you factor in inflation and also the 3050 lies between 1070 and 1080 in terms of performance, this is not a very good deal.
I've been primarily using the PS4 for the past few years anyway, so my plan now is to wait until the PS5 is available at some point in the future at the original MSRP. If it takes one or two years and there's already a PS5 Slim... that's fine with me.
Ripperoni 2200G, lmao at the Asus bios having 3gb iGPU option tho since that shouldn't even be possible
Reminds of the time I was testing flck clock/power scaling and it let me put like 667mhz or 800mhz
Just remember it was one tier below the supposed minimum supported... Ironically also Asus motherboard here
Nothing died tho, just le CMOS clear and was good to go but definitely got a mini heart attack when it didn't turn on
How a mere mortal could kill a processor, a budget one at that, is beyond me. did you pour water to cool it or what ?
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I am surprised by the Deus Ex Mankind Divided surprised me. My 5700 XT paired with a Ryzen 2600X @ 4 GHz performs better, but not THAT much better. CPU limitation. I am however running it on Linux via WINE
@@2kliksphilip I'll get it installed and benchmarked. I'll report back tomorrow.
@@2kliksphilip Running a 144 Hz freesync monitor that i cannot disable vsync completely due to using wayland. But the benchmarks are as follows:
1080p Ultra:
Average: 83.8 FPS
Minimum: 65.1 FPS
Maximum: 108.4 FPS
1080p High:
Average: 108.0 FPS
Minimum: 81.7 FPS
Maximum: 141.5 FPS
1080p Low:
Average: 126.4 FPS
Minimum: 98.5 FPS
Max: 146.3 FPS
They are still a LOT better than the 6500 XT, however.. the 5700 XT pushes 200 watts, and the 2600X boosts to 4 GHz on all cores.
Running 16 gigs of 3200 MT/s memory.
That 1080p Low still has issues is surprising, but i am sure it is the 2600X that is under delivering here.
14:16 you're welcome
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2klik, with 6500xt: 57 avg fps @ 1080p/low.
me, with gtx 760ti: 150 avg fps @ 1080p/low CSGO.
also me: hmm userbenchmark says 6500xt is over 100% better than 760ti
me: should i upgrade?
edit: philip, do u think u can do a benchmark to CSGO for the 6500 xt? your fanbase is largely from csgo so is quite relevant. I know, CPU is more important but.. video card still relevant too.
if you have a 760ti, a rx 6500xt is a pretty good upgrade. but i'd continue looking for something like a 6600, those can sell for decent prices and are a lot better. and i'm someone who owns a 6500xt
Something is off... CPUs (or APUs for that matter) rarely ever die, especially so soon.
Could be the motherboard most likely.
Seems like CMOS reset could fix that.
RIDICULOUSNESS COMBO
6500XT & 6400 need PCIe gen4.
0:09 SUS on CPU
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F's in chat for the 2200g, y'all.
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It's a shame most pc videos focus on the new, fancy stuff instead of the stuff most players will actually buy and use.
Your 2200G might have died due to dried out thermal paste under IHS
the allocation of memory is automatic and it should take what it needs. There should not be any difference from the bios setting. Pretty sure this has been proven several times. You killed it for nothing XD
2kliksphilip video yay!
not first, but one of the first.
It's weird how the cpu just "died", i'm no expert at all so take this with a grain of salt but sounds like you could try restarting the cmos, maybe the cpu is not dead, it could be a compatibility problem with the configuration you chose.
Love how this channel turned into control damage of 6500XT. Cant wait AMD and Nvidia to bankrupt and gettin all karma they deserve.
@@2kliksphilip Yes.
RIP 2200G, it served us well. 😞
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I honestly think this is the niche that fits 2kilksphilip the best currently, pc gaming and general gaming tech related stuff, ever since your old "nvidia stop being a dick" and the "200 dollar hero" videos i loved them.
Yes that nvidia one was epic
RIP 2200G
my favorite recurring 2kliksphilip character :'(
That Half Life 2 comment WAS meant to be in jest Philip! I am honestly amazed just how recent some of the games are that still run decently 1080p +60FPS on the unit.
It seems reviewers overly focused on the poor performance of this card when they really should have focused on its poor price; in an ideal market this would be an entry level $50ish dollar GPU
Yeah, this is a GT 1030/RX 550 tier card, the price is completely absurd, if it was $100 no one would complain about the performance or other sacrifices.
the problem with a price like 100$ is that it isn't feasible, the cost to make it is above 150 even
Rocking a Ryzen 5 3400g with 32gb ram in a deskmini a300 as my main build, love it to bits!
Also 2kliksphilip will you be my valentine?
For me, these type of videos offer a good perspective on pc tech and it doesn’t collide with tech TH-camrs that do only/mostly this. I mean, more testing on this is better imo, these type of things are at their best when many people are testing these kind of things
But that’s just my opinion, maybe I’m just biased for philip and his videos without wanting to hate the other testers/creators
@@2kliksphilip i've been holding out for 4 years using a ryzen 5 2600 + an r9 390x and your videos certainly cater to my demographic. i personally don't see any reason to upgrade what i have because i found my niche in gaming and there's simply no need for any upgrades now that i'm satisfied with it. i've figured you out, philip. your style involves an impressive amount of introspection at nearly every turn, and this in turn leads me to believe that you figured out what happens after we die.
the odd circumstances of ultra settings getting better framerates in farcry5 is pretty common in open world games, something to do with offloading the grass and other groundclutter to the GPU and reducing drawcalls.
please try vulcan vs directX on a similar setup. I've heard vulcan reduces CPU load by a fair bit because it prevents the thousands of drawcalls and general inefficiency of directX. closer to the metal, more like a console.
I would love to see these tests with lossless scaling adding FSR as well, it be cool to know if it's possible to squeeze that extra bit of performance out of those games that are just off playable
I've seen this before, sometimes our hardware can be a bit over-emotional like in this case. They want you to be happy with the performance they give you, but instead you try to push them beyond their limits. It's always sad to see an APU take its own life. I just hope other people learn from this experience and try to appreciate the performance their hardware can give them rather than to push them over their limits. I love you GTX 1070.
P.S. I think a tribute video for the 2200g would be in order given the amount of content it provided. RIP 2200g, gone but not forgotten.
You can use any of the Doom Eternal presets so long as you scale back down the texture setting, as that's what's causing the VRAM limitation issues. I can play on Ultra Nightmare with textures set to Ultra because i only have 6GB.
I want to make a note here, as I got far cry 5 recently, the HD Textures setting actually requires over 9gbs of VRAM, the counter in the settings is completely off. Playing with my rx 580 would result in a crash 5-10 minutes in the game and it took a while to find it was maxing my card's 8GBs
Quite surprised the chip is dead, not managed to brick a CPU in over 10 years. Are you sure it's not just the bios stopping a post?
You are a nice guys Phillip wish you the best
Great video, this GPUs performance is so fascinating. Ive actually heard some people say that some of the Very High/Ultra settings in Mankind Divided had some issues, like Ambient Occlusion being too strong or higher quality shadows having rendering/filtering issues. So 1080p High Settings at 60fps in the benchmark, which is more demanding than most parts in the game, is great performance.
Doom Eternal having so many issues is very worrying compared to how well the Series S runs Doom Eternal. My 390 could run Doom Eternal quite well at a dynamic 1440p at around Medium settings. Would love to see how well this GPU compares to the Series S in Watch Dogs Legion and Metro Exodus Enhanced, because the latter game pushes that small console to its limits.
@@2kliksphilip Wow, even if you drop the res scale to 0.5, I think the Series S can drop that low? Then again at that rate, you are probably better off with running the original.
3:42 smooth
I would love to see Minecraft RTX on this gpu, I think it's harder to run than quake 2.
Hey, so about the pc never turning on again. If you have only been trying the same cpu in the same motherboard, did you try resetting the bios info on the motherboard? I once had a similar issue trying to overclock my RAM and had to remove the motherboard battery and look up on my laptop which 2 pins I could short to revert my bios settings. I'm kinda afraid to leave this comment for fear of being "one of those people", but hopefully I can help you save a pc here.
@@2kliksphilip Oh, well then Rest In Piece 2200G, I suppose. Thanks for making these good vids about lower end hardware.
I completed the main questline of Oblivion back in 2007 at probably 25-35 FPS (with a 7600GS), and again a few years later on a laptop with integrated graphics at about 15-20 FPS! I've played games since the early 90s and I find that playing current games - RD2, FC New Dawn, Teardown - is fine at 40 FPS, plus I get to see all the amazing effects which have been added to games in the past 20 years and which still impress me (modern shader effects and even basic effects like dynamic shadows are still incredible to me). I think a bit of perspective is needed here. What is possible with a £200 GPU is amazing - forget the hype around the high end.
I've recently got a laptop with a 65 watt RTX 3050 - slightly worse than the desktop RX 6500 XT - and it's really impressed me. I can run modern games at 1440p at medium-high settings and I think they look and feel great. Most hardware reviewers are coming from viewing the best hardware available when they come to this and are accordingly biased - at least you seem to have an appreciation for the benefits of PC hardware as a whole - that it's endlessly scalable and impressive at all levels as long as the cost of access is fair.
As you've said before, there's no such thing as a bad GPU - only a badly priced GPU. The RX6500XT certainly provides enough performance for current games, it's just that it should cost £150. If you're looking for a GPU currently, the used market is the place to go - a 1060 6GB or RX580 8GB will provide plenty of power even for modern games at 1080p/1440p and still look great - it's just a shame that these second hand GPUs are often costing more than they did at launch 5+ years ago.
Carry on making your great videos!
Clearly, it was Odgrub who killed your CPU.
Interesting pov as always!
Also if you try out rdr 2 on this gpu like you mentionned I would suggest trying the custom Xbox One X graphics setting, it's so worth it for this gpu imo (although maybe you already know abt it) : th-cam.com/video/D1iNSyvIPaY/w-d-xo.html (settings list in the comments)
this give me RandomGamingHD vibes with the PC parts in the backyard 😂👍
i had a friend who had a computer that has been running on fumes since 2021. Since the graphics card market has been rather dire, I strongly urged him to wait for a golden opportunity when prices start going down again. But getting the 6500xt for him would be a nice alternative.
what resolution is he running because issues such as bandwidth or VRAM would be less of an issue at lower resolutions, 1080p is sometimes too much in games, thanks god for FSR and especially temporal reconstruction.
I bought my first pc last year with a ryzen 5 pro 4650g. I could play any game i wanted (warzone 1080p low with somethings in medium at 60fps). Later I added a 1650 and it was beatiful, and now i changed it for a 3060. Only thing I can say for sure is that if your apu is good as a cpu, add a gpu when you can and you have a computer for a really long time
Waiting to see Hardware Unboxed commenting about 14:11
Pssst, there's a really cool little script that ThioJoe developed to get rid of spam comments. LinusTech featured it too and it may be of good use to you. 😉
Great video, I do find it interesting that you say you want both CPU And GPU to be a little bottlenecked while playing to indicate a balanced system. I've always figured that it's cheaper to invest in a CPU that can handle more GPU, so your GPU bottleneck can be fixed with one part upgrade down the line, and the rest of your PC gets faster. If you're CPU bottlenecked you spent a lot on a GPU and to upgrade CPU you could need to buy a new CPU, Cooler, even motherboard and ram, compared to just the GPU and at worst the power supply when upgrade time comes. Ryzen 5s and i5s can handle 80 series cards, definitely 70 series, but people get them with 60 series so they can get a big bonus when they get a next generation 60 or 70 series GPU. On such a tight budget though, the minimum CPU for gaming now and not in 5 years is ideal, especially with Ryzen's incredible motherboard compatibility to go from a ryzen 3 to a ryzen 9
Admittedly this school of thought is based on the PC buying experience from 2018, considering ryzen 5 1600s and 1060s, when the ryzen 5 would reach its limit at the 1080ti, and an i3 8100 was a quad core that could handle the 1070ti without bottlenecking
@@2kliksphilip I absolutely agree. Responsible and realistic shoppers would pair budget hardware with budget hardware, rather than midrange with budget in the hopes that they will upgrade one day, then replacing it before their midrange CPU ever gets to stretch it's legs
watching this video with middle eastern nokia phone music in the background. works quite well
this question is actually very relevant to me, I have an older computer with an amd APU that needs an upgrade
TIL Philip is on a 16MBit/s connection. My goodness, how do you stream 4K HDR content?
With 2200G, you stuck with PCIe 3 anyway. So, 6500 XT is a good upgrade for Vega 8.
Try Clear Sky benchmark at 1080p Ultra max with DX10.1 A-Tested MSAA.
i'm not sure if 4 cores isn't still enough. have you actually tested it on fast modern cpus?
Perfect gpu for me writing for it only option i have to this is Quadro RTX T-600