It's always interesting how white Jewish people attempt to separate from their whiteness when wanting to abuse Black folk. I don't think that was Maté's "intention" but as Resmaa said, intention doesn't lessen the hurt, or trauma. Resmaa has been my peace for many years in terms of linking the mental to the physical and to history. Maté has been my main playlist for a good year now. I appreciate him so much. I was a little (just a little) surprised that he responded to Resmaa's answer to a question HE asked by saying how he has ALSO been victimized. But it's a good point to take in. We have to stay aware that being a victim (of whatever) doesn't prevent one from also being a victimizer. This was a great conversation. I'm down for part ll.
"the march of time decontextualizes TRAUMA. if you never remember wht happened you internalize that what happened as being a defect IN YOU." Resmaa Menakem👌👌👌👌👌
The idea that racism can embed in the body making us ALL physically, mentally and spiritually sick is both mind-blowing and obvious at the same time. Thank you for this conversation!
Thank you for this beautiful conversation ! I always suffered deeply of the effects that you both share here, and always since very small felt a profound sense of disconnecting of kinship as I observed life & world from that body and land I was born in….. and every time I was trying to open up about this to other people around me, it was never understandable and I felt deeply alone, and it’s something I can still feel often now as an adult, yet when I hear you guys here and in other conferences I relate as a sister as a child as a daughter and I feel kinship, and I want to find a way , A way to live together in kinship with all that is ❤
This is a critical conversation. how can we slow down and listen and feel it - so that we repeat the violence less and less, heal the violence within and between more and more, build culture and practice based in this healing.
Thanks for all , both of you with all commentary! Did, you ever read in the book of Jeremiah. After, the blackness, there was a balm in Gilead. Care comes, from concerns, not political idealic theory. Not this or that. Haters don't understand, love or compassion. Racism, is a dilemma in society. So, is pollution and lack of fresh water. Happy Birthday , Gabor, it's been said, the first hundred year's of life, which are the most difficult. 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤😊
The old children's rhyme “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me” was used as early as 1862 to refrain people from engaging in verbal bullying (Martin, 2020). Since technology is now more accessible in homes, work, and schools, this phrase seems to have lost its meaning.Aug 2, 2020
Resmaa removes the veil: the lenses from which we think we see reality. It's difficult to understand if you've never experienced racism, subjugation and seen your loved ones being murdered because of the colour of their skin or ethnicity. It seems that some of the responses to this amazingly insightful discussion are also a measure of the individuals indifference and outright denial or racism and it's impact. I
jeez... gabor sure does behave like a very white dude here. ^ ^ but cudos to him for learning and challengin himself nontheless. but i could not help but roll my eyes a few times.
Gabor got it right with his opening quote As a brown person who has been on the receiving end of overt and explicit racism throughout my life across multiple continents… I find the current SAND trend naive and troubling. White boomers can’t help the race discussion IF they’re mired in the collective guilt of previous generations. BIPOC guests can’t help IF they approach all trauma from the perspective of racial difference, which no SAND presenter seems brave enough to push back on. Trauma is trauma, humans are humans. Race is a conceptual fire to separate us. Please, continue the good work but stop fanning the flames 🙏
i can't read what you are saying here. What is SAND? White boomers can’t help the race discussion? can't follow this either... what is BIPOC? Push back on what?
OK SAND - science and Non-Duality. I was reading Somatic Abolition... something something - that I failed... to hear. LOL - I couldn't picturee Resmaa being percieved as naive and troubling.
White Boomers 'mired in the collective guilt of previous generations' - is that what is being referred to that their body maybe carrying the dehumanisation, disregulation, around Being a Perpetrator - that also open to somatic abolition. When a man becomes an animal it's pretty hard to reconcile in himself (war and PTSD) One year we were able to connect in West Australia VETERANS and Indigenous people on the shared ground of healing from traumatic events and suicide prevention.
Half white person here. I think it's important to emphasize white elite "bodies" instead of talking about white bodies. As if all white people all over the world hated black and brown people. It's too victimhoody and annoying. Because you are talking a few white who decided for everyone else.
Blah blah blah. Now let's apply this to Women. In context, the context of the history is important to teach what you all want to as Critical Race Theory. If you want people to understand you have to let them understand the history and hear the words Garber was absolutely in his right to repeat something to convey. And by the way George Floyd is not a hero he's a symbol please get that straight. This is the man that was unlawfully murdered but he was also a man that held a loaded gun up to a pregnant woman's belly. Please take down the murals.
I'm pleased to see that I'm not the only one taking issue with this episode. This interview got off to a terrible start and didn't really improve in the time I gave it - I bailed after less than 20 minutes. Menakem seems rather out of touch when he talks about how we overrely on intent, or at least he's through the looking glass for his perspective. The woke lunacy, including so-called "anti-racism", that is permeating modern society is precisely because people are able to be offended despite any intention from the offender. Apparently including Menakem himself, who, like his woke brethren, is very clearly self-identified as a victim. He wants to be able to claim offence at will, and seems the imply that his so-called "offenders" have fallen back upon their ack of ill intention. Is there no possibility that his offence was ever the result of his interpretation, and not a world out to get him? It would appear not. He talks of daily brutality experienced by "him and his people". Really? He experiences daily brutality? He may choose to look at the world this way, but this is exactly my point - he is free to label his existence as quotidian brutality without any objective merit, without any intention from the "brutalisers". And somehow, in all of this, he's anti-racist, and white people are inexorably racist? Is the gatekeeping of words, to the point of preventing relevant and poignant verbatim quotes, really the way to resolve race issues, inequality issues, intergenerational trauma? Not in my opinion. It's just the hypocritical "have our cake and eat it too" cultural current that sees the historically disempowered utilising less formal power against others while still claiming inviolable and sacrosanct victim status. In order to protect his victim status, Menakem is quick to suggest that anybody's niceness or good intentions cannot possibly mitigate any offence that he feels entitled to claim. Is this really a mature, evolved mindset? It's not to say that intention always matters, sometimes damage is done and needs to be redressed, and intention is not as significant in such a case. But to look at the world as a self-identified victim where the only arbiter of victim status is the individual, and no rational thought may penetrate, enlighten, or contextualise... that's not progress in any sense of the word as I understand it. Ignorant people like Menakem and Ibram Kendi are one problem that will hopefully resolve itself with time. I'm more saddened to see Dr Mate buy into it. I don't begrudge him his choice not to repeat the Baldwin quote after previous backlash, but he advocates a far too conciliatory approach to the woke nonsense. I see it coming from his recognition of the plurality of experiences that people have based on their demographics, I see it coming from great compassion, but infantilising these victim card carrying adults by acquiescing to their ignorant beliefs does not advance them or their development. And I worry that sincere compassion, wisdom and insight, and positive intent (oops, forgot that intention doesn't matter) from people like Dr Mate will be appropriated for causes like "anti-racism", and derailed by the ridiculous lack of intellectual rigour in those movements.
There is wisdom here in both men. Ideas that can explain and allow for growth in understanding the cleavage in our world promoted primarily by threatened white males Your comment is rather sanctimonious. But, I am only a woman, who finds less and less value in talk of rigor in academic circles. One has to listen with the heart.
@@susanheitzman6565 taking upon oneself the power to label, including labelling someone "sanctimonious" is yet another example of informal power being utilised by people who often claim to lack it. I agree with characterising Dr Mate as wise, I don't think my comment suggested otherwise. My concern is that his benevolence might be hijacked for nefarious purposes, including by people ostensibly well meaning. Looking at other comments, and this seems to be a common concern, that we are not standing up to wokeness in its many forms. Menakem is such a person. For all of his rhetoric about how the good intentions of others shall not diminish his right to be aggrieved, his anti-racist hypocrisy also relies on people accepting the good intentions of combatting racism. Menakem is one of these dangerous actors who lacks an understanding of the impact of their agenda because they can't see past their desperate claim to victim status. One day society will outgrow it and look back on this woke nonsense as a dark and unfortunate period. Until then we struggle through Thanks for your contribution.
@@susanheitzman6565 suit yourself. My point stands. I'm not inclined to respond in kind, since I don't see value in impugning people for responding to a comment I made. Although at the risk of compromising that position, I will add that it's almost impossible to call someone (or their comments, nice splitting of hairs there) sanctimonious without coming across as... umm... well... maybe a little bit sanctimonious too? 🤔 But if you want to sit in judgement, have at it. Be well. ✌️
Uncle Resmaa i do proud of you and love you for your hard work❤
It's always interesting how white Jewish people attempt to separate from their whiteness when wanting to abuse Black folk. I don't think that was Maté's "intention" but as Resmaa said, intention doesn't lessen the hurt, or trauma. Resmaa has been my peace for many years in terms of linking the mental to the physical and to history. Maté has been my main playlist for a good year now. I appreciate him so much. I was a little (just a little) surprised that he responded to Resmaa's answer to a question HE asked by saying how he has ALSO been victimized. But it's a good point to take in. We have to stay aware that being a victim (of whatever) doesn't prevent one from also being a victimizer. This was a great conversation. I'm down for part ll.
"the march of time decontextualizes TRAUMA. if you never remember wht happened you internalize that what happened as being a defect IN YOU." Resmaa Menakem👌👌👌👌👌
After Resmaa's statements, being so intense, it is great to pause.
The idea that racism can embed in the body making us ALL physically, mentally and spiritually sick is both mind-blowing and obvious at the same time. Thank you for this conversation!
Thank you for this beautiful conversation !
I always suffered deeply of the effects that you both share here, and always since very small felt a profound sense of disconnecting of kinship as I observed life & world from that body and land I was born in….. and every time I was trying to open up about this to other people around me, it was never understandable and I felt deeply alone, and it’s something I can still feel often now as an adult, yet when I hear you guys here and in other conferences I relate as a sister as a child as a daughter and I feel kinship, and I want to find a way , A way to live together in kinship with all that is ❤
This is Amazing.
I'm completely humbled and S0 happy to find this. Thank you for the fresh air.
This is a critical conversation. how can we slow down and listen and feel it - so that we repeat the violence less and less, heal the violence within and between more and more, build culture and practice based in this healing.
Very enlightening thank you
Thanks for all , both of you with all commentary! Did, you ever read in the book of Jeremiah. After, the blackness, there was a balm in Gilead. Care comes, from concerns, not political idealic theory. Not this or that. Haters don't understand, love or compassion. Racism, is a dilemma in society. So, is pollution and lack of fresh water. Happy Birthday , Gabor, it's been said, the first hundred year's of life, which are the most difficult. 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤😊
I always listen to your conversation but long time ago with hearing from you
The old children's rhyme “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me” was used as early as 1862 to refrain people from engaging in verbal bullying (Martin, 2020). Since technology is now more accessible in homes, work, and schools, this phrase seems to have lost its meaning.Aug 2, 2020
Resmaa removes the veil: the lenses from which we think we see reality. It's difficult to understand if you've never experienced racism, subjugation and seen your loved ones being murdered because of the colour of their skin or ethnicity. It seems that some of the responses to this amazingly insightful discussion are also a measure of the individuals indifference and outright denial or racism and it's impact. I
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jeez... gabor sure does behave like a very white dude here. ^ ^ but cudos to him for learning and challengin himself nontheless. but i could not help but roll my eyes a few times.
Gabor got it right with his opening quote
As a brown person who has been on the receiving end of overt and explicit racism throughout my life across multiple continents… I find the current SAND trend naive and troubling.
White boomers can’t help the race discussion IF they’re mired in the collective guilt of previous generations.
BIPOC guests can’t help IF they approach all trauma from the perspective of racial difference, which no SAND presenter seems brave enough to push back on.
Trauma is trauma, humans are humans. Race is a conceptual fire to separate us.
Please, continue the good work but stop fanning the flames 🙏
i can't read what you are saying here. What is SAND? White boomers can’t help the race discussion? can't follow this either... what is BIPOC? Push back on what?
OK SAND - science and Non-Duality. I was reading Somatic Abolition... something something - that
I failed... to hear. LOL - I couldn't picturee Resmaa being percieved as naive and troubling.
White Boomers 'mired in the collective guilt of previous generations' - is that what is being referred to that their body maybe carrying the dehumanisation, disregulation, around Being a Perpetrator - that also open to somatic abolition. When a man becomes an animal it's pretty hard to reconcile in himself (war and PTSD) One year we were able to connect in West Australia VETERANS and Indigenous people on the shared ground of healing from traumatic events and suicide prevention.
Half white person here. I think it's important to emphasize white elite "bodies" instead of talking about white bodies. As if all white people all over the world hated black and brown people. It's too victimhoody and annoying. Because you are talking a few white who decided for everyone else.
Nobody is HALF of anything - you are whole.
Wonder why you say you are half white and not I am half black ….
Blah blah blah. Now let's apply this to Women. In context, the context of the history is important to teach what you all want to as Critical Race Theory. If you want people to understand you have to let them understand the history and hear the words Garber was absolutely in his right to repeat something to convey. And by the way George Floyd is not a hero he's a symbol please get that straight. This is the man that was unlawfully murdered but he was also a man that held a loaded gun up to a pregnant woman's belly. Please take down the murals.
I'm pleased to see that I'm not the only one taking issue with this episode. This interview got off to a terrible start and didn't really improve in the time I gave it - I bailed after less than 20 minutes. Menakem seems rather out of touch when he talks about how we overrely on intent, or at least he's through the looking glass for his perspective. The woke lunacy, including so-called "anti-racism", that is permeating modern society is precisely because people are able to be offended despite any intention from the offender. Apparently including Menakem himself, who, like his woke brethren, is very clearly self-identified as a victim. He wants to be able to claim offence at will, and seems the imply that his so-called "offenders" have fallen back upon their ack of ill intention. Is there no possibility that his offence was ever the result of his interpretation, and not a world out to get him? It would appear not. He talks of daily brutality experienced by "him and his people". Really? He experiences daily brutality? He may choose to look at the world this way, but this is exactly my point - he is free to label his existence as quotidian brutality without any objective merit, without any intention from the "brutalisers". And somehow, in all of this, he's anti-racist, and white people are inexorably racist?
Is the gatekeeping of words, to the point of preventing relevant and poignant verbatim quotes, really the way to resolve race issues, inequality issues, intergenerational trauma? Not in my opinion. It's just the hypocritical "have our cake and eat it too" cultural current that sees the historically disempowered utilising less formal power against others while still claiming inviolable and sacrosanct victim status. In order to protect his victim status, Menakem is quick to suggest that anybody's niceness or good intentions cannot possibly mitigate any offence that he feels entitled to claim. Is this really a mature, evolved mindset? It's not to say that intention always matters, sometimes damage is done and needs to be redressed, and intention is not as significant in such a case. But to look at the world as a self-identified victim where the only arbiter of victim status is the individual, and no rational thought may penetrate, enlighten, or contextualise... that's not progress in any sense of the word as I understand it.
Ignorant people like Menakem and Ibram Kendi are one problem that will hopefully resolve itself with time. I'm more saddened to see Dr Mate buy into it. I don't begrudge him his choice not to repeat the Baldwin quote after previous backlash, but he advocates a far too conciliatory approach to the woke nonsense. I see it coming from his recognition of the plurality of experiences that people have based on their demographics, I see it coming from great compassion, but infantilising these victim card carrying adults by acquiescing to their ignorant beliefs does not advance them or their development. And I worry that sincere compassion, wisdom and insight, and positive intent (oops, forgot that intention doesn't matter) from people like Dr Mate will be appropriated for causes like "anti-racism", and derailed by the ridiculous lack of intellectual rigour in those movements.
There is wisdom here in both men. Ideas that can explain and allow for growth in understanding the cleavage in our world promoted primarily by threatened white males Your comment is rather sanctimonious. But, I am only a woman, who finds less and less value in talk of rigor in academic circles. One has to listen with the heart.
@@susanheitzman6565 taking upon oneself the power to label, including labelling someone "sanctimonious" is yet another example of informal power being utilised by people who often claim to lack it. I agree with characterising Dr Mate as wise, I don't think my comment suggested otherwise. My concern is that his benevolence might be hijacked for nefarious purposes, including by people ostensibly well meaning. Looking at other comments, and this seems to be a common concern, that we are not standing up to wokeness in its many forms. Menakem is such a person. For all of his rhetoric about how the good intentions of others shall not diminish his right to be aggrieved, his anti-racist hypocrisy also relies on people accepting the good intentions of combatting racism. Menakem is one of these dangerous actors who lacks an understanding of the impact of their agenda because they can't see past their desperate claim to victim status. One day society will outgrow it and look back on this woke nonsense as a dark and unfortunate period. Until then we struggle through
Thanks for your contribution.
The definition of sanctimonious seems directly appropriate to your comments...
And is not a label for you.
@@susanheitzman6565 suit yourself. My point stands. I'm not inclined to respond in kind, since I don't see value in impugning people for responding to a comment I made. Although at the risk of compromising that position, I will add that it's almost impossible to call someone (or their comments, nice splitting of hairs there) sanctimonious without coming across as... umm... well... maybe a little bit sanctimonious too? 🤔
But if you want to sit in judgement, have at it. Be well. ✌️
@@robs.5847 reads like a 25 year old practising being Big which is cool.