I just bought it. And it's a compliment ! Since I don't like much those "courses selling" business models. But i discovered you fews days ago and i got a crush on you ! I like your philosophy, your tone, your skills , your mentality and your approach of challenging yourself to become the best you can ( +bonus point for the mustache). I really wish your health will stay fine forever, so your achievement of your highest art level skill will be the day of your death ; never stop learning and mastering. You clearly inspire me to start drawing again. Thanks a lot for that. And giving you fews $ for that course is the least i can do. I can't wait to see all the content that are coming. And how you deal with every walls you gonna encounter. oY
@fishbol478 nah I'd say the easiest thing to overlook in art is foundational readability because you know what you're trying to show and it's hard to instinctively imagine you're a new viewer to the idea. I'd argue composition gets a little pseudoscientific sometimes but some understanding of that and of readable silhouettes is paramount. If somebody can see the thing from across the room and get a general idea of what's going on, you've probably done your job
I do this all the time. Looking at my own work, or looking at artists I admire. Its a good way to force yourself to only see values and shapes so you can’t get distracted by the details and can grasp the overall form easily
Every single detail in those pictures is a masterpiece! Those blue tones on her skin portraying shadows and little veins is what makes her pale skin astounding. Maybe I got it wrong but it seemed you suggested that without those the painting still works. Those are not imperfections or details meant to be ignored by squinting or standing far appart, those are the brushstrokes of a maestro.
Older paintings were made for grand rooms, but now we enjoy intricate details on small screens. Even wall art is marketed online. Amazing how technology changes our interaction with art
I was just thinking about this the other day! how technological advances, be it in the Art medium or general situations, influence art in said period of time. i know it’s not a new concept but it’s very interesting to think about how from the first flame to light a cave wall to a smartphone in your hands determines what and how the canvas will be filled
Her ear was left more skinnier because the model is wearing a pretty scandalous (for the time) gorm of makeup ad she wants to highlight that. The painting ruined her life for a lot of reasons, that is one of them
I prefer this style of shading, in my HS painting class my teacher at the time told me my shading was “too subtle” and to be “more dramatic” in shading because she said “people won't be as up close to the painting and it needs to be seen from afar” and I remember being like “No, I like it this way” and she’d take points off lol
Huge part of why I am glad that I am homeschooled, teachers tell you "there's not one way to learn or see things, do it your way!" but the moment you think a bit differently than their system they shame you, hell they don't even let you try again they just make you feel like a failure
He wants to be a great artist but in the meantime, he's a great teacher. I'm adding a PS because there are too many people who don't understand humor. I don't want to throw shade on the young generation, but you have totally lost the meaning of words. Like the word GREAT. It has always meant something above and beyond. For an artist, it means maturity, powerful imagery, enormous disctinction, elevated, masterful and hanging in a museum with Rembrandt and DaVinci and All those Greats. In his lifetime Van Gogh was not considered great, but now he is. Its something that has to be earned, like respect. The word Great can be used casually as in "that's great:, but Jake is not talking about that. He said his goal is to become a Great artist. He seems like a nice, humble guy, not grandiose to go around talking about how Great he is. We would call him at this stage an aspiring artist, an emerging artist witth the potential to be Great. If he keeps going like this he probably will be. Frankly, I'm happy if I make something that qualifies as Art.
I have a bachelors degree in Graphic Design/animation and I have not done shit with it. I’m 28 now and I haven’t hooked up my drawing tablet in literal years, but man your channel makes me want to start making stuff again
I've found that having a project to work on is good for mental health. Instead of ruminating about the small aspects of your life, your mind will drift to your project when you aren't working on it.
Can I ask about what you are doing now, if it's not too personal? Did you study something else entirely? Did you start working in another field? Just curious, you don't have to answer :)
@professionalcatboypegger she has been at Tate Britain in London for the Sargent and Fashion exhibition (which was amazing), but it finished today, 7th July. Not sure if it is touring to other galleries or not.
You're such a good teacher. I'm an illustrator and I do draw studies of sculptures and study a lot of historic paintings, and that is so true that our eye is now trained to see every single detail. It overwhelms the senses and does not create unity, therefore the art looks as if its lacking something.
@@aaronline5889 Originally the left strap of the dress was down, which at the time caused a scandal, especially because the model was married and the painting was not commissioned by her husband. The painter got a bad reputation and after a while he repainted it with the strap up.
That's not a trend of the times. It's just a common mistake that's always been made. Show me an example of a contemporary top artist making that mistake. I don't think you can.
@androart1817 yeah I literally don't even recall what I was referring to, but it wasn't what the first guy suggested. Though the method of natural painting, and viewing the entire canvas, of whatever it's size is, in its natural state throughout the process Vs painting digitally and zooming in for details, likely results in the difference of the final product. .... but I think I was probably referring to "individuality" being valued over "the collective". People tending to prefer being a spectacle over attempting to contribute to the whole, and the resultant affect on society.
@@theoriginalmonstermaker yea that’s a problem with trying to be an artist online these days. You have to be unique to make it but also everything that is visually appealing has been done before. So even if you have all the skills and/or uniqueness it still comes down to luck. I draw on a screen tablet and I only zoom in a little bit because it’s hard to make smooth lines when zoomed out. But I have tried a massive tablet before and it was just awkward it didn’t feel right. This one fits in my lap and that’s how I like it
@@androart1817 I think chance has always played a pretty pivotal role in "popularity", but honestly, most talented ppl suffer more from a marketing issue. You need to take your skills and figure out how they can be packaged and sold. And yes, with new tools there will always be pros and cons, but it also permits new innovation as well 👍
The lesson I've learned is to Back! Up! and Stop! Zooming! In! if the first time you see the whole work is at the end it's not gonna be what you expect
I love the way you look at older art and how you teach I’ve always resonated with older paintings for the choices in subtle details and colors. I wanna learn more from your channel and hopefully start painting again.
That’s why I don’t like a lot of modern portraits, they are photographs. I’m not looking for a photograph, but for a portrait, massively different in nature.
Idk how much i can get behind this. Ik ur just tryna say that focusing too much on small details can make ur art look a lil weird, but i wouldnt say flat colors to this extent is the way to go. You have periods like baroque which came way earlier, where they used similar contrast styles in their paintings, but still had to use all sorts of diff shades of skin and fabric for shadows to rly getting that lighting out. Impressionism was going on around the same time madame x was made, and that was a movement that took a totally different direction where all sorts of colors were part of every aspect of the art, and using flat colors in this way to this extent woulda totally failed. Id like to point out that american renaissance takes inspo from the italian renaissance, where everyones white asf and no one has wrinkles somehow. The northern renaissance loved wrinkles and werent afraid to create depth for natural skin folds and flaws (everyones still hella white) I think the idea is good and useful, because its helpful for artists to know when to stop in detailing, but not the examples.
To be honest this was a particular artist with his own style, and a particular response to the subject. There are lots of paintings from the same time which have a less simplified rendering of skin tone
Its so good to study old paintings made in those era. It makes you appreciate the painting, or even the artist, even more once you understand and acknowledge the very little aspects in their works, thus appreciating their skills in art. With so little informations back then, compared to now where you can look up a youtube video, it just seems so much more impressive
Idk I think it rlly depends on the lighting u are going for! Sometimes light makes the face colorful with tones bc of shadows and varying degrees of light. I think both is good :-)
Sergeant is a master of using so little to depict so much. Some of his paintings look like a vague mushy brushstroke up close and you step back a foot and see a perfectly rendered hand. my man was just built different
I feel like this is a bad example… the face is being fully hit by light from this angle, if you continued to paint the neck, ear, underside of the nose where it goes into shade it would look different. Yea things are gonna be subtle when blown out by a bright light. That depends on lighting. And it can be good. But I think there is a better case to be made for why contrast is important. The face wouldn’t be so bright and readable if it wasn’t for the context provided by the darkness of the background and the hair. And if that’s not what you meant, which wouldn’t surprise me because it was hard to understand, then you did a crap job at explaining it.
Im looking at the comments and Im kind of astonished how no one is acting surprised or thinking "That is some insane advice" Funny how the one time Ive been blasted by some knowledge bomb that can personally revolutionize my thought process was the one time where everyone's like "yeah true" When in most art tutorials that dont impress me everyone is like "OMG WHERE HAS THIS TIP BEEN MY WHOLE LIFE?!?!" while I'm thinking "Well erm yeah image material layer is something you eventually learn with experience so I dont get why yall are surprised" or something
I was trained in traditional painting and self taught in digital and I noticed when I’m painting digitally I tend to get really sucked into one tiny part of the painting whereas when I’m working on a canvas or piece of paper I’m much more focused on the whole painting just my thoughts❤
Because with digital everyone draws with zoom in. It happens with architecture projects... When people used to draft in ink, people never lost the unity of the project
++dude...I can literally fall asleep by listening to you explaining whatever the f*ck you'd like to explain. Now, let's talk serious business for a moment...who gave her that black eye?!🧐😠👊++
I think part of it could be beauty standards. Modern makeup emphasizes contour and highlights, while a flat, even complexion was highly valued back then (geisha come to mind).
The story behind “Madame X” is so sad. What eventually happened to the sitter Virginie Gautreau, was horrible. Singer just washed his hands of the controversy and Gautreau became a shut-in from society. Singer was such a prick regarding the whole sorry mess.
I really wish this short existed when I was in schoo!! I was constantly being told off for not having more contrast between light values, but when I listened and they approved, I couldn’t help but think it looked like clown makeup!
I always paint with like “blurred” vision. Like when you really relax your eyes your vision becomes blurred when you look at near objects. I always paint like that - it helps stay in focus and it pushes my mind :)
This may sound very cliché but life is like art.... From watching the world for a second to putting details on your painting, it's the little things that create the big picture.
I do think, though, that this style of painting is like a 19th century version of modern beauty filters. The real person may well have had dark under eyes and skin with greater contrast, but she (and sargent) wanted to render an immortally/youthfully beautiful version of her.
Growing up with a lot of animation (whether movies or video games) is probably partly to blame, especially if thats the only art most of those people consume before their college years. I've noticed the same in music. Too much minimalism and impressionism; very little renaissance or baroque, and so a lot of new "serious" music under the classical genre sounds flat, and most nuance comes from the use of modes.
It's not that you can't define things. It's that things need to fit into their respective groups. So all the planes can be showing but they have to be within their group of values. For example : people will make reflected lights in the shadows extremely bright instead of realizing that they have to be within the group of shadows. Same with the halftone of the face - they need to stay bright with the lights. Sometimes ideas contradict each other and that's hard to understand. But these ideas have to contradict each other, that's just what truth is, it's complicated. Takes a long time and a lot of analysis to understand these things. 60 second short only allows me a fraction of an argument.
The history of this painting is interesting, I always think of the shoulder strap and its original placement. How this painting horribly effected the model's reputation.
Sometimes when I think I look at my art for to long I take like a 15 minute break and when I come back I can see ALL of the mistakes and fix them Work for another 4 hour then repeat Cuz staring at my work for to long makes it look funny anyway or I just can't see the obvious flaws even though it's there
so noob stage = everything is flat because you cant see any values and plane changes, medum stage = push values trying to make it look more volumetric, master stage = back to noob stage with the flat light?
This is painting was originally the same as this except this shoulder strap on the left was down On the side of her Shoulder. The painting was very scandalous Due to many People believing that the painting Had too much cleavage in the original
Nowadays people are more impressed with photographic realism than they are with the work of the old masters. They think the beginning and end of art is to capture the texture of things. If the artist has put in every eyelash and every wrinkle, he is greater than any painter who came before in their eyes.
I think it has to do with the layering as well. I was surprised to learn during art school that many másteres would put down bright green as an undertone because in pale skin it mimicked the blue and red tones of our veins. Crazy stuff
I think this phenomenon occurs mainly due to color photography. The still image captures more shades than a sitting with the model. The artist may find themself more caught up with all the detail they want to paint. I am a great enthusiast of the old masters but did experience traps of copying photography.
We (communication arts artists) don’t use a lot of notan right now, but it was really popular with communication arts artists between 1990’s and early 2000’s. I looooooove all the work they did in the first Narnia movie because they prioritized notan over form and chiaroscuro in many of their shots. And yah, notan was also popular during Sargent’s time because there was a heavier emphasis on eastern design principles being integrated into western art. Eastern art focused way more on unified shapes/design/color rather than rendering shadow and light and form.
what do you mean-- it's just that there re more people whom are bad at it, bc more people are doing it. It doesn't mean that people who are good at it don't exist, they're just not the only ones who manage to be successful or visible.
Originally that artwork was different. One of her straps was off the shoulder, it caused such a scandal, he was pressured to repaint it with the strap correctly and the model was ostracised and lost her reputation.
i think. one of the biggest things that has been helping me loosen up and embrace simplicity in my art is just. Taking my glasses off. I cant focus on the small details if i cant see them, lmao
I think so much subtle detail is lost because digital art doesnt seem to recreate the way that paint gets dragged across the canvas when you very lightly brush the shadow over skin
i think the thing is that people utilized the less is more aspect in painting cos it was expensive during the time so they used as little paint as they could to conduct the same feeling- but in digital art it is unlimited
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I just bought it. And it's a compliment ! Since I don't like much those "courses selling" business models. But i discovered you fews days ago and i got a crush on you ! I like your philosophy, your tone, your skills , your mentality and your approach of challenging yourself to become the best you can ( +bonus point for the mustache). I really wish your health will stay fine forever, so your achievement of your highest art level skill will be the day of your death ; never stop learning and mastering. You clearly inspire me to start drawing again. Thanks a lot for that. And giving you fews $ for that course is the least i can do. I can't wait to see all the content that are coming. And how you deal with every walls you gonna encounter. oY
Not what I need to currently focus on, but seems like a great deal.
I wish you all the success.
What program do you use? Do you have a writing pad that you use? Or are you just incredibly dextrous with the mouse?
Can you do a piece on Henry Orlik... He is British surrealist... There is an article in the British Guardian paper
Sometimes I squint at my artwork to see if it’s still readable when you can’t make out the individual details
Never underestimate the importance of negative space. That's a good habit
Damn and i thought i was weird for doing that 😂
@fishbol478 nah I'd say the easiest thing to overlook in art is foundational readability because you know what you're trying to show and it's hard to instinctively imagine you're a new viewer to the idea. I'd argue composition gets a little pseudoscientific sometimes but some understanding of that and of readable silhouettes is paramount. If somebody can see the thing from across the room and get a general idea of what's going on, you've probably done your job
Bravo! You're thinking in the right direction!
I do this all the time. Looking at my own work, or looking at artists I admire. Its a good way to force yourself to only see values and shapes so you can’t get distracted by the details and can grasp the overall form easily
Every single detail in those pictures is a masterpiece! Those blue tones on her skin portraying shadows and little veins is what makes her pale skin astounding. Maybe I got it wrong but it seemed you suggested that without those the painting still works. Those are not imperfections or details meant to be ignored by squinting or standing far appart, those are the brushstrokes of a maestro.
It's the same thing with pixel art.
Hint at details with lack of details.
"-and she's got a blackeye." 😂🤌✨
Older paintings were made for grand rooms, but now we enjoy intricate details on small screens. Even wall art is marketed online. Amazing how technology changes our interaction with art
That's a really great point!
I was just thinking about this the other day! how technological advances, be it in the Art medium or general situations, influence art in said period of time. i know it’s not a new concept but it’s very interesting to think about how from the first flame to light a cave wall to a smartphone in your hands determines what and how the canvas will be filled
it’s not just the techniques, but the themes and approaches to the subject.
Grand rooms and candle light as well! Or flickering gas lamps.
Not bright white led lighting.
That‘s a fascinating take and very true
I don’t even practise art and I love this channel.
I thought I was the only one.
jsyk it's spelled practice with a c
@@Alecsander0219 yeah man, i’m from the uk so here we spell it with an ‘s’.
@@V_KOMODOENSIS ah, I didn't know that thanks
@@Alecsander0219 yeah same, we learning a new thing everyday, I'm from Brazil would never guess that one ngl.
“simplicity “
the ear:
It's crazy how, many times drawing the ears is harder than all the face proportion 😂
nah fr you just gotta stare at ears for a bit, break it down into basic lineart and or values with light on it, you'll be chilling :D
Maybe its done to show us that she wears makeup? Idk, or its place for our attention to look at when we see it first time
Her ear was left more skinnier because the model is wearing a pretty scandalous (for the time) gorm of makeup ad she wants to highlight that. The painting ruined her life for a lot of reasons, that is one of them
Thank u I was gonna say that
Got to keep in mind that these paintings were also very large and meant to be seen from away, too.
This still applies for small paintings. Good value relationships always look better.
Also lighting!!! If you’re using hard, dynamic lighting doing this super one tone look for the skin would just be flat out wrong
I prefer this style of shading, in my HS painting class my teacher at the time told me my shading was “too subtle” and to be “more dramatic” in shading because she said “people won't be as up close to the painting and it needs to be seen from afar” and I remember being like “No, I like it this way” and she’d take points off lol
Huge part of why I am glad that I am homeschooled, teachers tell you "there's not one way to learn or see things, do it your way!" but the moment you think a bit differently than their system they shame you, hell they don't even let you try again they just make you feel like a failure
sounds like a shit teacher lmao
He wants to be a great artist but in the meantime, he's a great teacher.
I'm adding a PS because there are too many people who don't understand humor. I don't want to throw shade on the young generation, but you have totally lost the meaning of words. Like the word GREAT. It has always meant something above and beyond. For an artist, it means maturity, powerful imagery, enormous disctinction, elevated, masterful and hanging in a museum with Rembrandt and DaVinci and All those Greats. In his lifetime Van Gogh was not considered great, but now he is. Its something that has to be earned, like respect. The word Great can be used casually as in "that's great:, but Jake is not talking about that. He said his goal is to become a Great artist. He seems like a nice, humble guy, not grandiose to go around talking about how Great he is. We would call him at this stage an aspiring artist, an emerging artist witth the potential to be Great. If he keeps going like this he probably will be. Frankly, I'm happy if I make something that qualifies as Art.
not related but your username might be the longest one I've seen, on youtube at least
Kind of a back handed compliment
@@elijahoneill5228 for real lmao
@@elijahoneill5228 but a compliment nonetheless lol
he is still a great artist
Meanwhile art school teachers be like "ADD MORE CONTRAST"
Contrast is necessary - you just need to know when and where to use it. Professors know what they’re talking about.
@@meatonthebone7203 it was a joke, I graduated from art school, trust me I listened to my teachers
I have a bachelors degree in Graphic Design/animation and I have not done shit with it. I’m 28 now and I haven’t hooked up my drawing tablet in literal years, but man your channel makes me want to start making stuff again
I've found that having a project to work on is good for mental health. Instead of ruminating about the small aspects of your life, your mind will drift to your project when you aren't working on it.
Damn, if only I could afford to do that 😭
Can I ask about what you are doing now, if it's not too personal? Did you study something else entirely? Did you start working in another field? Just curious, you don't have to answer :)
I just saw this painting in real life today!!
What's it called? I really like this painting. I only found out about it recently
Where is it?
@@getjac the painting is john singer sargent’s «portrait of madame x» and it’s housed in manhattan’s metropolitan museum of art!! :D
@professionalcatboypegger she has been at Tate Britain in London for the Sargent and Fashion exhibition (which was amazing), but it finished today, 7th July. Not sure if it is touring to other galleries or not.
"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts."
Ahh it's been awhile since I've seen my favorite movie Flipped 🤗
What????
the _gestalt_
That is a very common english saying, it's not a reference to a movie
@@samable668 I know. I only said it reminded me of my fav movie and that I haven't seen it for awhile :)
@@samable668 it's a quote by Aristotle
You're such a good teacher. I'm an illustrator and I do draw studies of sculptures and study a lot of historic paintings, and that is so true that our eye is now trained to see every single detail. It overwhelms the senses and does not create unity, therefore the art looks as if its lacking something.
I love this painting and the story behind it. She was such a gorgeous woman.
I came in here just to say - what a beautiful subject. What's the story? Or atleast the name of the painting so I can find it.
@@aaronline5889it’s called the portrait of Madame x
@@aaronline5889 Portrait of Madame X
@@aaronline5889 Originally the left strap of the dress was down, which at the time caused a scandal, especially because the model was married and the painting was not commissioned by her husband. The painter got a bad reputation and after a while he repainted it with the strap up.
Yes, Id DEFINITELY say ppl value the "solo" over the "symphony" these days.
That's not a trend of the times. It's just a common mistake that's always been made. Show me an example of a contemporary top artist making that mistake. I don't think you can.
What? Huh.
Sorry but it just feel like everyone here is talking out of their asses in riddles
@androart1817 yeah I literally don't even recall what I was referring to, but it wasn't what the first guy suggested.
Though the method of natural painting, and viewing the entire canvas, of whatever it's size is, in its natural state throughout the process Vs painting digitally and zooming in for details, likely results in the difference of the final product.
.... but I think I was probably referring to "individuality" being valued over "the collective". People tending to prefer being a spectacle over attempting to contribute to the whole, and the resultant affect on society.
@@theoriginalmonstermaker yea that’s a problem with trying to be an artist online these days. You have to be unique to make it but also everything that is visually appealing has been done before. So even if you have all the skills and/or uniqueness it still comes down to luck.
I draw on a screen tablet and I only zoom in a little bit because it’s hard to make smooth lines when zoomed out. But I have tried a massive tablet before and it was just awkward it didn’t feel right. This one fits in my lap and that’s how I like it
@@androart1817 I think chance has always played a pretty pivotal role in "popularity", but honestly, most talented ppl suffer more from a marketing issue.
You need to take your skills and figure out how they can be packaged and sold.
And yes, with new tools there will always be pros and cons, but it also permits new innovation as well 👍
You're comparing amateurs to masters. There are plenty of artists today that paint just like Sargent, Bougereau, Jerome, Eakins, etc.
Sargent the master of halftones! I'm always amazed at how much information Sargent manages to capture with very minimal change in value.
The lesson I've learned is to Back! Up! and Stop! Zooming! In!
if the first time you see the whole work is at the end it's not gonna be what you expect
That's why people that can paint and draw physically/traditionally almost always outdo people who only do digital art
I will forever be sad about the strap every time I look at this painting... 😔
I love the way you look at older art and how you teach I’ve always resonated with older paintings for the choices in subtle details and colors. I wanna learn more from your channel and hopefully start painting again.
That’s why I don’t like a lot of modern portraits, they are photographs. I’m not looking for a photograph, but for a portrait, massively different in nature.
Idk how much i can get behind this. Ik ur just tryna say that focusing too much on small details can make ur art look a lil weird, but i wouldnt say flat colors to this extent is the way to go. You have periods like baroque which came way earlier, where they used similar contrast styles in their paintings, but still had to use all sorts of diff shades of skin and fabric for shadows to rly getting that lighting out. Impressionism was going on around the same time madame x was made, and that was a movement that took a totally different direction where all sorts of colors were part of every aspect of the art, and using flat colors in this way to this extent woulda totally failed.
Id like to point out that american renaissance takes inspo from the italian renaissance, where everyones white asf and no one has wrinkles somehow. The northern renaissance loved wrinkles and werent afraid to create depth for natural skin folds and flaws (everyones still hella white)
I think the idea is good and useful, because its helpful for artists to know when to stop in detailing, but not the examples.
the word for the idea youre describing is "gestalt", which basically means that you look at something as a whole rather than a sum of its parts
im sure you have a great point to make but you just poorly shaded in a painting and called it a day
What's crazy is that I'm using your advices when I'm making music and it still work. Keep doing yourself bro 😂👍
To be honest this was a particular artist with his own style, and a particular response to the subject. There are lots of paintings from the same time which have a less simplified rendering of skin tone
Its so good to study old paintings made in those era. It makes you appreciate the painting, or even the artist, even more once you understand and acknowledge the very little aspects in their works, thus appreciating their skills in art. With so little informations back then, compared to now where you can look up a youtube video, it just seems so much more impressive
Idk I think it rlly depends on the lighting u are going for! Sometimes light makes the face colorful with tones bc of shadows and varying degrees of light. I think both is good :-)
Please please keep going
That also applies to life
Sergeant is a master of using so little to depict so much. Some of his paintings look like a vague mushy brushstroke up close and you step back a foot and see a perfectly rendered hand. my man was just built different
Just found your channel and it really resonates with me. Now I know I'm still lacking
It is unreal the amount of legitimately valuable information ive gotten passively from this channel
I feel like this is a bad example… the face is being fully hit by light from this angle, if you continued to paint the neck, ear, underside of the nose where it goes into shade it would look different.
Yea things are gonna be subtle when blown out by a bright light. That depends on lighting. And it can be good. But I think there is a better case to be made for why contrast is important. The face wouldn’t be so bright and readable if it wasn’t for the context provided by the darkness of the background and the hair.
And if that’s not what you meant, which wouldn’t surprise me because it was hard to understand, then you did a crap job at explaining it.
You just know this guy is trash at Elden Ring you just know it
Congrats, you made a mime
Do something from scratch
Values are probably the most important thing in painting after basic drawing ability.
Im looking at the comments and Im kind of astonished how no one is acting surprised or thinking "That is some insane advice"
Funny how the one time Ive been blasted by some knowledge bomb that can personally revolutionize my thought process was the one time where everyone's like "yeah true"
When in most art tutorials that dont impress me everyone is like "OMG WHERE HAS THIS TIP BEEN MY WHOLE LIFE?!?!" while I'm thinking "Well erm yeah image material layer is something you eventually learn with experience so I dont get why yall are surprised" or something
I'm pretty sure nowadays people put more detail to the parts that are supposed to be the main focus
Bro you are absolutely brilliant I could listen to you talk about art and life all day
I was trained in traditional painting and self taught in digital and I noticed when I’m painting digitally I tend to get really sucked into one tiny part of the painting whereas when I’m working on a canvas or piece of paper I’m much more focused on the whole painting just my thoughts❤
Awesome example & very well put
Because with digital everyone draws with zoom in. It happens with architecture projects... When people used to draft in ink, people never lost the unity of the project
That's how we still paint in Repin's Academy of Arts in St Petersburg
++dude...I can literally fall asleep by listening to you explaining whatever the f*ck you'd like to explain. Now, let's talk serious business for a moment...who gave her that black eye?!🧐😠👊++
I think part of it could be beauty standards. Modern makeup emphasizes contour and highlights, while a flat, even complexion was highly valued back then (geisha come to mind).
The story behind “Madame X” is so sad. What eventually happened to the sitter Virginie Gautreau, was horrible. Singer just washed his hands of the controversy and Gautreau became a shut-in from society. Singer was such a prick regarding the whole sorry mess.
I really wish this short existed when I was in schoo!! I was constantly being told off for not having more contrast between light values, but when I listened and they approved, I couldn’t help but think it looked like clown makeup!
I always paint with like “blurred” vision. Like when you really relax your eyes your vision becomes blurred when you look at near objects. I always paint like that - it helps stay in focus and it pushes my mind :)
This may sound very cliché but life is like art.... From watching the world for a second to putting details on your painting, it's the little things that create the big picture.
Its funny because this painting was heavily criticized in its day. Paticulary because people thought the skin looked lifeless and strange.
I do think, though, that this style of painting is like a 19th century version of modern beauty filters. The real person may well have had dark under eyes and skin with greater contrast, but she (and sargent) wanted to render an immortally/youthfully beautiful version of her.
Growing up with a lot of animation (whether movies or video games) is probably partly to blame, especially if thats the only art most of those people consume before their college years.
I've noticed the same in music. Too much minimalism and impressionism; very little renaissance or baroque, and so a lot of new "serious" music under the classical genre sounds flat, and most nuance comes from the use of modes.
But you say all this about defining the planes of the face , shadows and what not and now this like- what
It's not that you can't define things. It's that things need to fit into their respective groups. So all the planes can be showing but they have to be within their group of values. For example : people will make reflected lights in the shadows extremely bright instead of realizing that they have to be within the group of shadows. Same with the halftone of the face - they need to stay bright with the lights.
Sometimes ideas contradict each other and that's hard to understand. But these ideas have to contradict each other, that's just what truth is, it's complicated. Takes a long time and a lot of analysis to understand these things. 60 second short only allows me a fraction of an argument.
@@JakeDontDraw thank you
The history of this painting is interesting, I always think of the shoulder strap and its original placement. How this painting horribly effected the model's reputation.
Sometimes when I think I look at my art for to long I take like a 15 minute break and when I come back I can see ALL of the mistakes and fix them
Work for another 4 hour then repeat
Cuz staring at my work for to long makes it look funny anyway or I just can't see the obvious flaws even though it's there
Nah it’s still present in art. You just gotta look. There’s so much around. Be careful with this rethoric
I have the same headphones as you, but I noticed your cable is different. Where did you get it? Mine's breaking apart.
so noob stage = everything is flat because you cant see any values and plane changes, medum stage = push values trying to make it look more volumetric, master stage = back to noob stage with the flat light?
It’s also because the paintings have grown older, therefore the paint is less bright and colourful.
This is painting was originally the same as this except this shoulder strap on the left was down On the side of her Shoulder. The painting was very scandalous Due to many People believing that the painting Had too much cleavage in the original
Nowadays people are more impressed with photographic realism than they are with the work of the old masters. They think the beginning and end of art is to capture the texture of things. If the artist has put in every eyelash and every wrinkle, he is greater than any painter who came before in their eyes.
Why not it's call hyper realisem but this not HL it's it's 1990
I think it has to do with the layering as well. I was surprised to learn during art school that many másteres would put down bright green as an undertone because in pale skin it mimicked the blue and red tones of our veins. Crazy stuff
So what you’re saying is, I’m not stupid for not using a ton of different colors, but I’m just old? 😂
Love it - thanks for the info! It's not something I'd thought about before when struggling with faces 😊
In the original, you almost feel like you can see the veins under her skin. It’s incredible.
It’s also one of the greatest paintings of the 19th century so don’t judge modern painters too harshly
I think this phenomenon occurs mainly due to color photography. The still image captures more shades than a sitting with the model. The artist may find themself more caught up with all the detail they want to paint. I am a great enthusiast of the old masters but did experience traps of copying photography.
We (communication arts artists) don’t use a lot of notan right now, but it was really popular with communication arts artists between 1990’s and early 2000’s. I looooooove all the work they did in the first Narnia movie because they prioritized notan over form and chiaroscuro in many of their shots. And yah, notan was also popular during Sargent’s time because there was a heavier emphasis on eastern design principles being integrated into western art. Eastern art focused way more on unified shapes/design/color rather than rendering shadow and light and form.
I'm new to the term, what's notan?
what do you mean-- it's just that there re more people whom are bad at it, bc more people are doing it. It doesn't mean that people who are good at it don't exist, they're just not the only ones who manage to be successful or visible.
That painting was a scandal but I think it's Amazing, it would command my attention among the best artworks
We live in an age where art is appreciated from 10 inches away with a zoom function. It really changes how people make art
So what matters most is the lighting and shading, except it still needs to convey all the same information when lighting is evened out?
Yes is called harmony but I believe this articulation derives from the adornment of form.
Summarizing, while designers nowadays breathe less is more like there's no other thing in existence, painters are, at the same time, forgetting 😅
Originally that artwork was different. One of her straps was off the shoulder, it caused such a scandal, he was pressured to repaint it with the strap correctly and the model was ostracised and lost her reputation.
this video is honestly the worst description of getting the point across... more confusion than anything else.
i love the original hate those straps
I understood more before I watched this clip.....
The Renaissance era was more advanced in hyperrealistic art than most of the artists nowadays. We're beginning to lose interest in nature.
i think. one of the biggest things that has been helping me loosen up and embrace simplicity in my art is just. Taking my glasses off.
I cant focus on the small details if i cant see them, lmao
Makeup may be attributed to this. The more highlight and contour is normal, the more contrast in art.
I think so much subtle detail is lost because digital art doesnt seem to recreate the way that paint gets dragged across the canvas when you very lightly brush the shadow over skin
"Whole is greater than the sum of its parts." That is a psychological truth.
The whole *is* the sum of its parts 😒... It's absurd to think that is not.
i think the thing is that people utilized the less is more aspect in painting cos it was expensive during the time so they used as little paint as they could to conduct the same feeling- but in digital art it is unlimited
very glad to have seen this at tate britain recently. this is a sargent painting btw
Why is the only thing I saw in this video was the fact that the woman in the painting looks like me 😅
I dont understand, he said how little information we lose, but it seems like alot is lost...
I looked closely and saw veins on her face which was a beauty trend back then
Is the secret that there's not much value variation just hue variations here??
did u go to school for this i learned this in visual communications class
whats up with all these ai commenters with 4 digit number at the end of their names?
We wear makeup differently than people used to at that time.
Theres a German word we use to refer to things that are greater than the sum of thier parts: Geschtalt.