Many thanks to MrsDM for reading all those lines as Lucy and putting up with me. I think this is the first animation in which she does most of the speaking and she really came through.
NEVER FORGET: The Devil WORKS FOR God. That means that the "most evil" entity is still considered as being above YOU, despite his continued wrong-doings, as he has God's blessing to do so "within (by God's decision as always) reasom"
If you're a billionaire you would probably be funding lobbies for both "god" and "satan" to allow you to continue poisoning the political (and literal) climate
I remember a time that someone called atheists arrogant and I told them "you literally think the two most powerful beings in existence don't do anything other than constantly fight over you"
Good one! My go-to has often been: "Wait a minute. We believe that we're the product of unconscious forces, yet you believe that you're specially created by, none less than, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘳 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘦 𝘜𝘯𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦, who loves you so much that it wants to furnish you with 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘢𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘪𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘴𝘰 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘯𝘥 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘺𝘰𝘶!!! But WE'RE the arrogant ones?!?!" Yours is punchier, though.
Or just: you believe that you of all people are correct over the other 7 billion other people that believe something different than you. You believe that your "faith" in a thing for which you have no direct evidence is somehow greater than the combined scientific knowledge of all of humanity. Those are pretty good ones, I think. I thought of one more: they actually believe they they have all the keys to eternal happiness and that only their way will bear fruit over every possibility that might exist. They think that everyone should want their version of eternity and would want to spend eternity with their company. That the vast majority of Earth's population is condemned to hell for not following their own model, so they wouldn't be likely to have family there anyway. Why would anyone else even hope they are right? They don't consider these things. They won't even attempt to answer these kinds of questions either.
Yeah, the more you learn about the history of religion, the more fictional it is. Like the snake in the Garden. It was basically just a fairy tale to explain why snakes have no legs and why humans seem to think differently from other animals. (even though we really don't to a meaningful degree) Like the Native Americans have a story on why bears don't have tails. It's something like a bear was ice fishing with its tail and left it in the ice so long that its tail broke off and that's why bears don't have tails. It's basically that story except for snakes. Also, it gives an excuse for women to be slaves of men since religions were often very cruel to women as a way to keep them down. You also see tropes that were common back then, like magical fruit giving gods their powers. Back then, gods were more like humans who just ate magical fruit and turned into gods because of it. That's why you have the fruit of immortality and fruit of knowledge.
Of coarse they dilslike free thinking. Slave owners forced Christianity onto black people in order to make them easier to control. Christianity was never part of black culture until then. Your family are victims of religious evil passed down generations.
I'm Jewish and speak Hebrew. The character in genesis that lead Adam and Eve astray was called נחש in Hebrew, or transliterated into the Latin alphabet "Nachash", which literally is just the Hebrew word for snake. Judaism came from ancient Canaanite religion, which was influenced by ancient Egyptian, Greek, Mesopotamian, and Persian religions which came before it. Zoroastrianism has a dualistic cosmology where "Ahura Mazda" is a being of ultimate good, while "Angra Mainyu" or "Ahriman" was the ultimate evil. Judaism de-emphasized this belief, which is why we have no "Devil" in Judaism. The closest thing to a Jewish devil would probably be Amalek. Christianity came from Judaism, and they reemphasized dualistic cosmology for various reasons.
I imagine Nachash may be inspired/based on some kind of old Canaanite trickster god. He behaves like most such deities in different mythologies, throwing a wrench into whatever the other gods and/or humans are doing and utterly enjoying the resulting chaos.
True and sort of. The creature didn't lead them astray. The creature told them the truth. They would, by eating that fruit (first) become more like god AND they would not die from eating the fruit. They were kicked out of the garden to prevent them from being able to eat from the fruit of the other tree (fruit of life or tree of life) which would have made them immortal. They were never immortal, nor expected to be. The basis of the story wasn't so much obedience -- it was just like greek-mythology (and the tower babel) accounts where the gods punish humans when they get too powerful -- and the punishment of any that would aid humans in getting powerful.
Darkmatter, I very rarely comment and even more rarely donate, but this video with it’s animation, story and context deserves grand applaud. Thank you for doing this remarkable work, please continue it because your videos are an absolute joy to watch!
@@guytheincognito4186true Even if there was an easy to explain, unavoidable at all proof that the bible is wrong, let's say I have been a devote christian for 50 years... how am I gonna bring myself to accept that I believed a lie my whole life? Some people will just instinctively negate everything. Anyways I believe they will be happier by believing a lie, so I wouldn't even bother trying to convince them even if they were special to me
@@Kiyosandwicheater Indeed, as long as their beliefs won't incure harm directly or indirectly to themselves or others it's fine to let them believe what they want.
I find it hilarious and quite unsettling that I’m sitting in the guest bed room of my grandma’s place while her and her husband are watching livestreams of church in the living room.
@@ThorsDecree his grandparents are listening to a channel promoting their ideology. This guy is technically no different by following a channel promoting his ideology. Atheism is still a belief even if that belief is rejecting all other belief. You ultimately do not and cannot know for sure, your belief is based on faith that you have the correct answer by rejecting all other religions / ideologies.
*_God The Victim_** ?* If "sin" is a crime against God, that would make God, a _victim of crime._ But if God is "all powerful" and can't be harmed, that would make sin, _a victimless crime._
When we look at what the sins are, we can see that they are actions that goes against the interest of the community (how do you expect a community to work if actions like stealing or raping are not punished) Saying that god is the victim is a way to make people fear their bad actions even if they are not caught
Is everyone in Heaven robots? That's one of the big items that stuck to me when I was deconverting away from Christianity. I remember being taught that those who went to Heaven would spend their time praising God. Basically singing hymns, playing harps and saying prayers. It certainly sounded like you didn't have free will in Heaven.
Exactly lol. At least da Bible Christian faith afterlife iz eternal boring church ⛪️ for gawds ego and pride and attention Dat will NEVER BE ENOUGH OR GOOD ENOUGH for him since gawd wants ETERNAL glory love and attention non stop every single day and second yet still want more of it to perfection and satisfied.
No, it more that people will decide to be good in heaven. That’s why purgatory was placed into doctrine under the Catholic Church. Earth is a proving ground, purgatory is a place where you can shed your sinful ways and heaven is the end goal. The Jewish faith doesn’t place much thought into the afterlife though which I agree with.
To get into Heaven, you essentially have to prove that you're willing to give up your free will to Yahweh. Whether you technically still have it or not, the result is the same
To most religious zealots their creed is "If you have enough faith facts don't matter" I know I have a personal relationship with reality so facts do matter.
Yahweh in the bible would easily be classified as a malignant narcissist according to the DSM-5. Psychologists aren't really allowed to use the term "evil" to describe someone but malignant narcissists really are the closest real-life example of something that could be considered evil. Even the guy who wrote the Gospel of Judas did it because he recognized Yahweh as being evil so he said Jesus was summoned by a greater deity and Jesus's role was to perform some kind of ritual through his death. Funny enough, it even said Yahweh was known as the God of Fools who tricked the world into doing his evil deeds. For something that was thrown out of canon, it sure hit the nail on the head.
@@DarkMatter2525 That was readily apparent- I was immediately gobsmacked by the creativity on display. Only in the movie Constantine have I seen the “underworld” so well presented.
The Lucifer story sounds cool until you really think about it and realise it refers to a King of Tyre and is not meant for a supposed Fallen Angel. Plus hell and satan Christians didn't come from the Old Testament, but from the New Testament. The God pantheon is best explained in God: An Anatomy. Also man it's so annoying that the free will defense is used so often to excuse evil, and it doesn't explain away God commanding genocide
@@tradergirljamThe Hazbin Hotel version of Lucifer gave Eve the Fruit of Knowledge but didn't have bad intentions and just wanted to give free will to humanity.
To me, the best attack against the "you need to make a choice" genre of arguments is another belief that most Christians hold themselves - babies that die are guaranteed to live happily with God forever. That is a straight up admission that a choice is not necessary.
Well, in Catholicism they don't, they get sent to Limbo and grow there. People in Limbo are thought not to be knowledgeable of things, so they don't suffer, but they aren't saved either, it's just a slightly worse version of Earthly life basically. At some point they'll learn of Jesus, and then they will need to make a decision. Once they do, they leave Limbo, going either to Heaven or Hell proper. The main difference between Earth and Limbo, or so it's understood by many Catholic theologians, is that being alive on Earth provides _many_ chances to decide to go pro-Jesus. Earth life even allows flip-flopping between the pro and anti-Jesus camps freely. But once one dies, the decision one takes in a state of immateriality becomes definitive. So the advantage of being alive is one can train to make their one final decision the correct one. But people in Limbo are already immaterial, so they only get one chance to make their decision. Whatever they decide, that's it, no change of mind later. That's why Catholics are so adamantly pro-life: because a baby allowed to grow has tons of chances of being saved, whereas an aborted soul in Limbo will have one, and only one, chance, thus making Limbo a strictly worse state of existence.
God having to essentially shut down the debate and then speak on behalf of his opponent is rather fitting, I can't count the amount of times I've heard christians say "X thinks Y." and those responding are like "I've never heard anyone even remotely say that." It's the whole "you just want to sin" business among others, there is no attempt at understanding, just smearing with whatever accusation that makes disagreement palatable, it's not that non-christians might have a point, they're just evil, it's not that they don't believe, they just worship satan.
Growing up Baptist I always wondered why every 3 or 4 lines Yahweh would say "I am your lord your god, there are no other gods before me" like he was seriously overcompensating.
No other gods before. So, there are other gods, just not to be worshipped before worshiping Yahweh. He even explicitly says that he is enacting judgment on the gods of Egypt. Not that he’s the only god, just more powerful than them.
There are other translations, "I am your lord your god, you shall have no other gods before me". If this is an accurate translation it seems that God himself acknowledges that other gods exist, he just doesn't want you to worship them, only him.
@@andystokes8702 Yes. The early parts specifically mention that Yahweh is the god before all others. Most of the terms for Satan, like Baazebub, are corruptions of other gods from the surrounding areas.
@@thomasgallipoli8376 I guess that is part of the problem, the Bible has been rewritten and translated so many times that maybe we will never know what the original writings mean especially when we add on the confusion of so many people's different interpretations of the same text. Even the word 'before' can be interpreted as either higher or more important or it could just as easily be interpreted to mean chronologically, Yahweh existed prior to any of the other gods.
@@andystokes8702 yes and the significance of the Babylonian Captivity cannot be overstated. Like the video stated, Zoastrianism had a massive impact on Jewish scriptures and subsequently Christianity. DM2525’s video summarizes it perfectly.
Satan is part of God's plan. God created evil, temptation, suffering, eternal pain, and hypocrisy. The more reasonable conclusion is that humans invented God.
@@xh0rsex *Oh, god is so great and mercifu!l* imagine letting the devil and his angels to manipulate and hurt humanity, for his own glory! Definitely not a narcisistic and malevolent guy!
Don't forget that In Job story God restored Jobs life and he got his life , family back again. Be thankful for what you have and thank God for everything good that comes in your life. ❤
@@sussiea9221 Job's wife and kids did not get their lives back. Guess that didn't matter since women and children are only property and don't count as people.
Also one character who is often attributed as Satan is The Angel Samael who, from what I know about Judaism (correct me if I'm wrong) is the angel that does God's dirty work.
Isn't God's offer to Christians kind of... evil? Consider what forgiveness actually is: the suspension of justice. No just punishment for actual wrongdoing. Instead someone innocent - Jesus - gets punished. I mean seriously would a good person take this offer? Would you have an innocent human tortured and killed for things *you* did? Would you accept that infinite punishment for finite crimes is just in the first place? Or would you rather be responsible for your own actions and take an *appropriate* amount of punishment for your own sins? If a good God exists, Christianity might as well be a test whether you'd take the immoral offer or not.
2k years ago in Rome. "I am Spartacus". Roman Gladiators. Also 2k years ago in Rome and forever since "He is Jesus" with much hard pointing , All christians ever.
Jesus is understood to have accepted punishment on our behalf as a sacrificial lamb as the religions of the time understood sacrifise. That is one of the selling points that someone willingly went ahead and paid the price for your sins( or shortcomings.) And acknowledging this sacrifise and resolving or trying to do better when you experience shortcoming is the one of the way your sins are absolved.
There is a verse in Ezekiel 28 about a cherub in the garden of Eden being thrown to earth. Revelation also says that Satan was the serpent of old. It is a mish-mash, but that is how it got there.
@@haggismcbaggis9485 But if you read Ezekiel more closely, it was talking about the king of Tyre being the anointed Cherub. However, it clearly states that he was a man and mortal. He was reduced to ashes and was no more. The same king was also called Lucifer, Son of the Morning in Isaiah, and it mentions that how he fell from Heaven, but it's more likely that his fall was from being perfect in the ways of the Lord to becoming violent and unequal as well as declaring himself to be superior to the Lord. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ezekiel also mentions the great dragon, the fleeing, twisting serpent. He is called king of Egypt in Ezekiel and Leviathan in Isaiah. He is decribed as having many heads and being the ruler of the rivers of Egypt and possibly of the Mediterranean Sea. The Lord is said to have smashed his heads in Isaiah and fished him with a hook from the rivers of Egypt in Ezekiel. In both of these instances, he seems to have been slain. A similar character appears again in Revelation, as the great red dragon, serpent of old and Satan (who is the Devil in the New Testament). Here, he faught Michael, and he was thrown out of Heaven, dragging one third of the stars with him. He was imprisioned in the Abyss and later released for a short season. He will fight Jesus Christ and be thrown into the Lake of Fire. ------------------------------------------------------------------- What's interesting is that Revelation seems to be borrowing from books like Isaiah, Daniel and Ezekiel and reiterating those stories. This time it's Jesus Christ as the morning star vs. the Devil as the great red dragon. The Devil seems to incorporate aspects from Leviathan, Lucifer and Azazel. While it was Yahweh who faught with him in the Old Testament, here Michael fights with him instead. Jesus Christ shares some aspects with Lucifer but inverted. They both share almost identical titles with ties to Venus, but Jesus Christ redeems and saves from the Lake of Fire instead of becoming corrupt and burning into ashes.
Yes, I agree with every point. The early Christians were Gnostics, and Marcion especially despised the God of the Old Testament, so Satan in the new testament refers to God. The beast in the book of Revelation chapter 13:1-8 references God in Hosea 13:1-8, so the New Testament is also calling him the Beast. In reality, the New Testament was written by the Piso family, and the Revelation by the black sheep of the family Julius who wrote it to expose them.
@@alexhajnal107that's not a fringe hypothesis its mainstream history.. There was no Church or heresy before the Council at Nicea.Before that a wide variety of people and groups were Christian, and they believed a wide variety of things. Constantine wanted Christianity to be a state religion so those he invited decided which books were allowed into the Bible, and decided what was doctrine and what wasn't. Frankly it's a shame the Protestants barely changed itvat all, they allowed 95% of 1100 yrs of Catholicism to stand instead of going back to before the Church and taking it from there.
When I was a kid in Sunday School, one of the stories that bothered me most was the banishment of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden, for daring to eat the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge. They were punished eternally for gaining the knowledge of good vs evil. But without knowledge of good and evil, there can be no choice between them. That struck me as very unfair as a child.
They were punished for disobeying God. What do u mean by the statement "punished eternally?" Just curious. He also warned them. He gave them everything and simply asked one thing from them, he had a right to expect obedience, just as a parent would expect from a child. They had ample warning that they would simply die if they didnt listen. Their disobedience did raise an interesting question however.....Can humans succeed without their creators guidance? Can they rule themselves and decide whats right and wrong?What has history shown?
Stating that he "simply asked for one thing". So by your logic, anything can be asked, no matter how ludicrous as long as one is only asking one crazy thing. As if that is not misguided enough, you double down on the cray cray and compare a request that makes no sense to something a parent asks of a child, Santa anyone? Lastly you claim "Ample warning" I am going to strongly disagree and call it a I am going to make you an offer you can't refuse abusive thuggish thing to say to two humans who had not sinned yet
@@helenhollis3984 There was nothing ludicrous about what he asked. He gave them EVERYTHING they had, he gave them life. They had all they needed to be fulfilled and happy. He simply asked for them to show they loved him by being obedient. One request. If you think that crazy then like i said, each to their own. I feel thats completely reasonable. God warned them they would eventually grow old and die, that they would lose that prospect of everlasting life... he made sure they understood what was expected of them and the consequences of their actions. He had every right to expect obedience from them.
@@JohnSpike8888 The fight would probably last quite a while, perhaps years even. Ultimately, Superman is almost guaranteed to win, but he also doesn't attack unprovoked. Homelander is going to pick his words and choices carefully. The first time they come to direct blows, There's no chance Superman is going to destroy Homelander outright. He couldn't even if he wanted to, because he needs a lot more time to muster up that amount of power. But he also wouldn't want to because he really just wants to put Homelander in his place without causing collateral damage.
@@damienasmodeus928 I watched the video with I believe Dr. Kipp (this is incorrect, it was data over dogma) last week, and they were talking about how scholarship is moving towards moloch could possibly be describing a form of sacrifice that they would offer to a deity, then not the name of a deity.
Ironically, you can also blame God for giving humans lust... we're mammals, we can't reproduce without lust lmao Christians: lust is a sin made by satan Then we should thank Satan for giving us life, no? Christians: No-no, God gave us good amount of lust. We should use that, no more. ...???
I discovered this channel some years ago yet that Jeffreys ass still cracks me up. I am your fan from India and religion is a very personal subject here and I still think that dark matter is deeply spiritual than being just a very intelligent critic of organised religion. I still remember having laughed so much because of you and I felt very sad when I saw your video about your personal loss. I always share your videos with my German friend who was born catholic but gravitated to Hinduism as she was never satisfied with Christianity and she always has a good laugh with your videos too. Love you Darkmatter2525.
A woman converting to a religion where women's dad pay dowry to men to marry their daughter, and then the daughter has to live alone for the rest of her life if her husband divorces her or dies? Nice!!!!
If you're an all powerful being that can bend the very fabric of reality, the greatest evil imaginable is boredom. Natural disasters are bad enough, imagine a god deliberately inflicting suffering in order to liven up their interest with drama.
@@meh2510 And then blaming people for building their houses where the natural disasters happened. Seriously, that's the counter argument my christian aunt used when I played the natural disasters card. And that's the moment I realized I couldn't win, and I just gave up.
This reminds me that very recently when I was replying to Christians and talking to them in the comment section of a Christian TH-cam channel. I tried to argue humanity's case but they kept making snarky comments that humanity is lower than dirt and we never change and we deserve hell unless we accept Jesus. Eventually When i try posting a comment I noticed that when I refreshed the page they were instantly removed leaving only the Christians responding to me while I cant do anything about it.
@@missinterpretation4984 I think there comes a point in life were you have to accept that People will never change. I think that's the most admirable quality that we as humans possess no matter how ridiculous a belief or religion may seem people will still defend and die for it no matter what. We are a very Determined and persistent species if we were given a reason to fight, we will fight for it until we die. What a scary thought that is.
@@boxhunter9742 It's frustrating though, because THOSE people who never change, are controlling the vast majority of our planet, worse, they have more human rights and privileges and social merit than the others. I can't accept it, because they threaten my, and billions, the mere right to exist and prosper, in a world already full of judgment and entitlement.
I don't stand with Christians but there is no justice for all the narcissistic abuse all over the place from Narcissists and I think they deserve punishment.
TH-cam hit me with a hate speech warning and a list that included criticizing religion, which is bs. When one of the gullible theists reports your comment, it gets taken down.
Another thinking is, why would a god place a forbidden tree in the middle of the garden? And still let Satan allowed in Eden. Hmmm... What does that look like? That these things were deliberately meant to happen. 👀
Satan was never there. It was the serpent, the most subtil beast of the field. People get that from the Book of Enoch where it says that Azazel led Eve astray. He has much in common with the Devil in the New Testament of the Bible.
I don't know how you are able to gather all this information and then present it in such an entertaining way. Already looking forward to the next video.
@@avasdv modern satanism is not to be confused with traditional satanism. It's an atheist religion just like the flying spaghetti monster. If god exists we don't even fear him because we know we are good people. And an all knowing being like god does not send people to hell just for not believing in him cause that's selfishness. If god is smart he would agree with that. And we are allowed to think free because that's how he created us. The bible is still written by prophets including kings. So it's not purely god's word.
You really know your stuff. I didn't know all of that about Satan. The Christmas tree and the Easter bunny are also things from the Celts added to Christianity.
Fun fact: Beezlebub ia just the Bastardized version of the Sumerian God of Fertility, Baal Zebul. And Belphegor is just Baal Zebul as well. Also Baphomet is not really a demon and doesn't really mean anything evil. Same with a Pentagram which is just alchemic symbol for the 5 Western Elements Fire, Water, Earth, Wind, and Aether and the Pentacle (Pentagram with a circle touching all points) stands for unity.
Christianity, following Judaism, merely demonized all signs, symbols, names and old gods besides the particular special ones they stole and propped up.
Very well done! Punishing them for knowing the difference between good and evil. Then claiming wanting people to know the difference. Then boiling it down to belief alone... and not good nor evil but claiming a name in a god. Deep Deep Deep!
In the Bible, Satan did nothing wrong. God was the one who killed people for not acting obsequious enough to him, who led people to sin, who drowned everyone in the whole world, who ruined Job's life just to win a bet and who killed babies to punish their fathers. All Satan ever did was try to convince people to not worship God. You know, that guy who killed everybody, like drowning everyone in the world and murdering babies to upset their fathers? All Satan said was "maybe you shouldn't worship that guy." I wouldn't call that evil. The "evil" things he did all came from sources outside the Bible, like "Paradise Lost" and "The Pilgrim's Progress" and "The Exorcist," none of which are sacred texts.
The serpent: "Ummm, sky daddy is lying to you....just watch..." Adam and Eve play along. "Yup." If people aren't running for the door at that point, to escape the church, then they are either in on it knowing it is a lie, or they weren't paying attention and they never made the connection. "Hey! Do you want to be in on this big lie with me? You do? Great. You don't? Oh...what we plan to do to you and say about you if you don't...." This is how people end up becoming part of a criminal organization or a mafia.
Well DarkMatter is misinterpreting The Holy Bible to fit his viewpoint of how God should be like in order to get people away from learning the truth. The truth is that God is righteous, humble, slow to anger, and not a monster like how he is portrayed in these anti-God videos. God bless you. 🙏
As an atheist, (former born again christian) I really never have thought about the answer to the question of "what good does god do?" I was surprised at the workload on my brain when I was trying to think about this...
11:00 kind of blew my mind. I'd never actually noticed that. I've always pointed out the fact that, if 'god' is omniscient, he already knew what choice Adam and Eve were going to make, so what was the point of the 'test' in the first place? I never noticed that 'Adam and Eve' had to choose between knowing or not knowing something they didn't know in the first place. Religion is a bizarre thing and I still don't understand why it still exists. I really wish I wasn't living in a time period where future humans will be stunned when they look at what we believed and did, in the same way we scoff at what people believed in and did in just the past couple of centuries. Why can't we have been the time period that ditched ancient fairytales and started a Golden Age of discovery about the universe?
Christian here (though I have unusual beliefs), excellent video. I have a few thoughts. What fascinates me about the Old Testament is the lack of propaganda. God doesn't seem to care if the reader likes him or not. He says he is good in the Bible but his actions clearly reflect behavior that we would consider less than good, like sending evil spirits to torment people and purposefully deceiving his own prophets. God's message seems to be something like, "I say what is and is not good, it doesn't matter if you agree or not." If you want to win people over, the Old Testament fails completely at doing that, which is why most Christians focus on Jesus Christ and view God the Father through a perception of Christ. If there was no New Testament, I think the Abrahamic religions would be half the size they are now. But God the Father as depicted in the Old Testament is interesting to me. I have tried dissecting his character and have drawn a few conclusions. One of the major conclusions is that FREE WILL DOES NOT EXIST. A few reasons I say this... ONE - when God tells you to do something, you do it. It's not a question, it's an order. Neither Moses nor Jonah initially wanted to do what God commanded but in the end, they relented and they never appeared to actually have a choice. TWO - When something bad happens, God is always responsible (Isaiah 45:7 good and evil come from me
I can see how you'd get these ideas from the old testament, but the only thing I'm confused about is how hell works here. How can a fire be purifying, cleansing or lead to people being reborn? And what does reborn mean in this context?
@@Papierkorb2292 In Isaiah 6: 6-7, an angel uses a piece of burning coal to purify Isaiah's lips and atone him of his sins. So the concept of purification through fire (and surviving through it) does exist in the Bible. I simply took the concept further to propose that all hellfire could have this effect. In the Bible, hell is described as being a place where you burn forever. It's eternal punishment. It's an everlasting fire. Seems pretty straight forward, but the Bible is often not what it seems. The Bible uses words like "forever" very liberally. In Isaiah 32:14 and Samuel 2:30, the word forever seems to mean very long time, or until you die. Everlasting fire simply implies the fire will last but not necessarily the contents burning within. Now getting past that eternal punishment bit is the trickiest part and admittedly requires the most mental gymnastics. I would simply put forth that dying in hellfire is a form of eternal punishment because who you were is literally gone forever. Even if you are reborn, it's a new version of you, separate and different from the old. The old you is dead forever (eternal punishment), the new you is reborn in perfection (salvation). In this way, one can experience both. I do not think everyone will have to burn in hell to achieve salvation, just the particularly stubborn people. Philippians 2:10-11 says that everyone will confess that Jesus is Lord. This acceptance of Jesus coupled with hellfire seems like a process to save everyone. So yeah, this is what I think will happen.Take everything I say with a grain of salt though. I don't actually know anything. Would love to hear your opinion.
@@raymondjohnson2724 Interesting, I can see where you got that from, but ascribing this property to fire still basically sounds like magic to me. I mean I don't see what would give specifically fire (or heat in general, seeing as it was just a piece of coal), this property. Furthermore, I still can't really make sense of it, because I don't see a reason why this would be a thing. Why would god create hell like this, especially when the old you ends up disappearing anyway and giving away to a different person. What's the purpose of the punishment then and why would it be required to be pure or reborn? That sounds like unnecessary suffering to me.
All of these books and references IMO come from the minds of great philosophical thinkers who thought about existence and explanations for causes and effects in the world. These men existed all through time in all cultures. Stories have been passed around verbally before the invention of writing. Most of it are fables and legends and to this day, no one knows what happens when you die.
Great video, the satan literary device character started out as a personality trait of the yahweh and then mutated into a separate noun much much later, eventually christian cults turning it into the new updated diabolus character. Although even many early gnostic christians who were just christians believed yahweh was the original evil demiurge anyway.
He really truly does "hear" our "prayers".. lol. Very ironic but that's the fun part of life. Finding someone, people, a community that is not governed by someone elses thoughs and rules and how it should be's...but on people simply reflecting very profound truths about the greatest lie of all time -religion.
I haven’t watched in a long time but I just wanted you to know that you armed me with the arguments I needed to defend myself leaving Catholicism so thank you
@@unknownuser6757 God is responsible for the suffering that his righteous servant Job, has to endure. He is even manipulated by the satan to allow him free reign in attacking Job. God even acknowledges that the misery and pain inflicted on Job, was for no reason. it’s definitely a work of fiction. In the end after God causes all of this chaos, Joey ‘s given exactly 7 sons and three daughters to replace the ones that were lost lol
@@unknownuser6757 The clincher for me - aside from a few events claimed as historical that absolutely are factually NOT, like the Flood and the Exodus - is that god is claimed to be a good, moral being, and yet repeatedly violates his own standards of morality. The contradiction is too great to ignore.
To above comments just read the Bible, that's how you deconvert... Though your brain will reason it out, but you have to seek truth and try to be objective to be fair. Rant add, I read the Bible many times but took it as truth before reading it. That is the wrong opposite way to figure out truth. It is deceiving ones own self and doesn't validate God also, blind belief should not hold any value, therefore taking the Bible as truth is invalid.
@@DavidStowers-o7kBut that also had dinosaurs with humanity and other animals, if not neanderthal? Most mainstream science says that is not the case, along with no Adam and Eve/Lilith? Not sure so-called "christians" even believe in dinosaurs? There are even some channelings that contradict and have said they exist in hollow Earth and are vegan?
I saw Darkmatters video so often over the past year, during my deconstruction. They seem soo familiar now 😅 Thank you for this video! Soo many good points in your videos! And they are soooo much fun to watch!!
The argument is that the birth of Zoroaster should not be equated with the Christian concept of the virgin birth for several reasons: 1. **Involvement of a Human Father**: Zoroaster's birth involved a human father, Pourushaspa. The "kingly glory" or divine presence resided in Zoroaster's mother for about 15 years, including during the time she was married to Pourushaspa, indicating that a human father was still necessary for Zoroaster's conception. This contrasts with the Christian narrative where Jesus was born to a virgin without the involvement of a human father. 2. **The "Divine Ray"**: The "divine ray" mentioned in the Avesta is described as something that infused Zoroaster's spirit, but it did not contribute to his physical conception. This differs from the Christian belief where Jesus is conceived by the Holy Spirit without any human paternal involvement. 3. **Later Sources**: The Avesta, which describes Zoroaster's birth, is a later text compared to the origins of Christianity. This suggests that the accounts of Zoroaster's birth might have been influenced by other religious ideas over time, and thus should not be seen as a parallel to the original Christian narrative. 4. **Misunderstanding of "Immaculate Conception"**: The term "immaculate conception" is often misunderstood and incorrectly applied to refer to Jesus' virgin birth. In reality, it pertains to the Roman Catholic doctrine that Mary was born without original sin. Misapplying this term leads to inaccurate comparisons between Zoroaster and Jesus. In summary, while there may be some superficial similarities between the religious stories, the underlying concepts and circumstances surrounding the births of Zoroaster and Jesus are fundamentally different. The presence of a human father and the purpose of the "divine ray" in Zoroaster's conception make it clear that his birth does not align with the Christian understanding of a virgin birth.
Many thanks to MrsDM for reading all those lines as Lucy and putting up with me. I think this is the first animation in which she does most of the speaking and she really came through.
That she did!!! Great work you 2 ❤
Is this new?
NEVER FORGET: The Devil WORKS FOR God.
That means that the "most evil" entity is still considered as being above YOU, despite his continued wrong-doings, as he has God's blessing to do so "within (by God's decision as always) reasom"
What was the music that played when it was Satan's turn?
It was never God VS Satan
It was always God unleashing his Satan on us.
If I was a billionaire I would commission darkmatter to animate the entire bible
Don’t worry he’s on his way to doing so - check out his playlists 😊
Amen !
Same
If you're a billionaire you would probably be funding lobbies for both "god" and "satan" to allow you to continue poisoning the political (and literal) climate
Amen
I remember a time that someone called atheists arrogant and I told them "you literally think the two most powerful beings in existence don't do anything other than constantly fight over you"
I know, right? how incredibly narcissistic worldview
Good one! My go-to has often been:
"Wait a minute. We believe that we're the product of unconscious forces, yet you believe that you're specially created by, none less than, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘳 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘦 𝘜𝘯𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦, who loves you so much that it wants to furnish you with 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘢𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘪𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘴𝘰 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘯𝘥 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘺𝘰𝘶!!!
But WE'RE the arrogant ones?!?!"
Yours is punchier, though.
Or just: you believe that you of all people are correct over the other 7 billion other people that believe something different than you. You believe that your "faith" in a thing for which you have no direct evidence is somehow greater than the combined scientific knowledge of all of humanity. Those are pretty good ones, I think.
I thought of one more: they actually believe they they have all the keys to eternal happiness and that only their way will bear fruit over every possibility that might exist. They think that everyone should want their version of eternity and would want to spend eternity with their company. That the vast majority of Earth's population is condemned to hell for not following their own model, so they wouldn't be likely to have family there anyway. Why would anyone else even hope they are right? They don't consider these things. They won't even attempt to answer these kinds of questions either.
They're in a generic Isekai harem where the girls are God and Satan. Couldn't nail it any other way, like Jesus would say.
Banger !
I'm from a black family that's very religious and frowns on thinking for yourself and doing your own research, this was mind opening
Life is good out of the religious plantation: keep thinking. 👍
“If you’re a black Christian, you have a real short memory.” - Chris Rock
Now that your mind has been opened it is your duty to keep it open and keep thinking for yourself.
Good luck on your journey.
Yeah, the more you learn about the history of religion, the more fictional it is. Like the snake in the Garden. It was basically just a fairy tale to explain why snakes have no legs and why humans seem to think differently from other animals. (even though we really don't to a meaningful degree)
Like the Native Americans have a story on why bears don't have tails. It's something like a bear was ice fishing with its tail and left it in the ice so long that its tail broke off and that's why bears don't have tails. It's basically that story except for snakes. Also, it gives an excuse for women to be slaves of men since religions were often very cruel to women as a way to keep them down.
You also see tropes that were common back then, like magical fruit giving gods their powers. Back then, gods were more like humans who just ate magical fruit and turned into gods because of it. That's why you have the fruit of immortality and fruit of knowledge.
Of coarse they dilslike free thinking. Slave owners forced Christianity onto black people in order to make them easier to control. Christianity was never part of black culture until then. Your family are victims of religious evil passed down generations.
Can we have "Satan" back? Her explaining how religion changed over time was pretty interesting.
Should have used Satan from Satan's guide to the Bible
@@SlashinatorZ That would have been a nice crossover XD
@@SlashinatorZbro I simp so hard for him
@@SlashinatorZ I would've liked to see Satan from Shin Megami Tensei IV
@@P-P-Pandau simp for satan? Isn’t Satan just a gory red man?
If Satan is the "father of lies", wouldn't God be the grandfather?
God is his own father and grand father. So, what might this mean about satans identity?
@@leahcimnaerc9543I mean God created everyone in his own image
@@Mkhl4Sureno wonder we are so messed up
@@albertskunik i agree, God is confused himself or herself
you mean "Yahweh"?
God cheating on the coin toss is on brand 😂 dude once kept the sun from setting for days to win a battle
He had to cheat by punching the lowly human Jacob in the nuts to win a wrestling match. Despite being omnipotent...
And created a supermassive black hole consuming most of the known universe just to accentuate an answer to a multiple choice question.
Careful! When god gets angry he turns people into pillars or salt 🧂!!
Remember, he STOPPED the sun in the sky... Think about it... 😂
@@NAYR8 I think dats da 🍝 monster need for attention lol where else to get toppings of 🍝??
I'm Jewish and speak Hebrew. The character in genesis that lead Adam and Eve astray was called נחש in Hebrew, or transliterated into the Latin alphabet "Nachash", which literally is just the Hebrew word for snake. Judaism came from ancient Canaanite religion, which was influenced by ancient Egyptian, Greek, Mesopotamian, and Persian religions which came before it. Zoroastrianism has a dualistic cosmology where "Ahura Mazda" is a being of ultimate good, while "Angra Mainyu" or "Ahriman" was the ultimate evil. Judaism de-emphasized this belief, which is why we have no "Devil" in Judaism. The closest thing to a Jewish devil would probably be Amalek. Christianity came from Judaism, and they reemphasized dualistic cosmology for various reasons.
I imagine Nachash may be inspired/based on some kind of old Canaanite trickster god. He behaves like most such deities in different mythologies, throwing a wrench into whatever the other gods and/or humans are doing and utterly enjoying the resulting chaos.
Yeah it's fascinating stuff. I wish more people would learn how these religions influenced each other and changed over the years.
True and sort of. The creature didn't lead them astray. The creature told them the truth. They would, by eating that fruit (first) become more like god AND they would not die from eating the fruit.
They were kicked out of the garden to prevent them from being able to eat from the fruit of the other tree (fruit of life or tree of life) which would have made them immortal.
They were never immortal, nor expected to be. The basis of the story wasn't so much obedience -- it was just like greek-mythology (and the tower babel) accounts where the gods punish humans when they get too powerful -- and the punishment of any that would aid humans in getting powerful.
@@DarkMatter2525 almost like they weren't divinely inspired!
Hi!! Fellow Jewish darkmatter fan Lol
Darkmatter, I very rarely comment and even more rarely donate, but this video with it’s animation, story and context deserves grand applaud. Thank you for doing this remarkable work, please continue it because your videos are an absolute joy to watch!
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The irony isn't lost on me that "the Satan" is literally being the adversary in this situation literally fulfilling Satan's role as your opponent.
It basically writes itself
Another video about the bible with Satan as the protagonist also did this
@@Kurokami112i saw one that says
The whole Bible from Satan's perspective
5 days ago,
Is it that one?
@@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman th-cam.com/video/0kfpO8Up7Ek/w-d-xo.htmlsi=MmiKV93pYyc-Bs0r this maybe??
@@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman Satan's guide to the bible, actually
I mean, it isn't great irony because this TH-camr can't be subtle to save his life 😂
I didn’t realize how much I missed Jeffrey and Lucy
Me too!
Seriously I love them
I did!
,poor ass bum, think of enchantkurse
As they say, it's easier to believe the LIE, than it is to be convinced that it IS a LIE.
“It is easier to deceive someone than it is to convince them that they have been deceived.”
The quote went something like that
Both are sadly correct. Especially when the belief is directly tied up with their identity 😢
@@guytheincognito4186true
Even if there was an easy to explain, unavoidable at all proof that the bible is wrong, let's say I have been a devote christian for 50 years... how am I gonna bring myself to accept that I believed a lie my whole life? Some people will just instinctively negate everything. Anyways I believe they will be happier by believing a lie, so I wouldn't even bother trying to convince them even if they were special to me
@@Kiyosandwicheater
Indeed, as long as their beliefs won't incure harm directly or indirectly to themselves or others it's fine to let them believe what they want.
Which is why we have so many conspiracy theorists.
I find it hilarious and quite unsettling that I’m sitting in the guest bed room of my grandma’s place while her and her husband are watching livestreams of church in the living room.
Everyone's following their favorite church.
@@BrutusAlbionthe implication being that this TH-cam channel is a church...? Lolwut?
@@ThorsDecree his grandparents are listening to a channel promoting their ideology. This guy is technically no different by following a channel promoting his ideology.
Atheism is still a belief even if that belief is rejecting all other belief. You ultimately do not and cannot know for sure, your belief is based on faith that you have the correct answer by rejecting all other religions / ideologies.
@@BrutusAlbionno. Thats a fallacious argument by someone that shoulda studied more and brainwashed less.
@@BrutusAlbion Did you let Merriam Webster know that you changed the definition of Atheism? I think they would be interested.
*_God The Victim_** ?*
If "sin" is a crime against God, that would make God, a _victim of crime._
But if God is "all powerful" and can't be harmed, that would make sin, _a victimless crime._
1st exactly.
2nd read Dat in Ricky voice
@@mistylover7398 was that a "do read!" or a(n) "[i] have read"?
@@irrelevant_noob The past form of the verb "to read". That's the confusing nature of heteronyms.
Man, reverse flash would have a field day with this one
When we look at what the sins are, we can see that they are actions that goes against the interest of the community (how do you expect a community to work if actions like stealing or raping are not punished)
Saying that god is the victim is a way to make people fear their bad actions even if they are not caught
Is everyone in Heaven robots? That's one of the big items that stuck to me when I was deconverting away from Christianity. I remember being taught that those who went to Heaven would spend their time praising God. Basically singing hymns, playing harps and saying prayers. It certainly sounded like you didn't have free will in Heaven.
Exactly lol. At least da Bible Christian faith afterlife iz eternal boring church ⛪️ for gawds ego and pride and attention Dat will NEVER BE ENOUGH OR GOOD ENOUGH for him since gawd wants ETERNAL glory love and attention non stop every single day and second yet still want more of it to perfection and satisfied.
No, it more that people will decide to be good in heaven. That’s why purgatory was placed into doctrine under the Catholic Church. Earth is a proving ground, purgatory is a place where you can shed your sinful ways and heaven is the end goal. The Jewish faith doesn’t place much thought into the afterlife though which I agree with.
you only think that because you never understood the bible, people will choose to be there, thats the point of worshiping him
To get into Heaven, you essentially have to prove that you're willing to give up your free will to Yahweh. Whether you technically still have it or not, the result is the same
@@lucyferos205 so... you do have free will in heaven, thanks for your time.
To most religious zealots their creed is "If you have enough faith facts don't matter" I know I have a personal relationship with reality so facts do matter.
Yup
Your like count was at 42. I ruined that.
I haven't seen satan on Darkmatter's channel in literally years.
Lucy dropping the charade and putting Yahweh in his place was priceless.
Wonder if Satan is da real hero to serve 🤔
@@mistylover7398Depending on the version of the story Lucifer can be seen as sympathetic in a way.
@@leebulger7112 he haz a what now?
@@mistylover7398I said that Lucifer is portrayed in a sympathetic way depending on the version of the story.
🤘🏼😈🤘🏼
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful
-Seneca the Younger
Define "religion".
Perfect
,poor ass bum, think of enchantkurse
Like how the religion of naturalism is useful to Kommunizt diktators!
I love how yaweh is the personification of narcissism
Yes Yahweh is desert god
But not all christians call
God yahweh.
Well he is the first narcissist and the last i hope and the Bible is the first horror fairytale
Yahweh in the bible would easily be classified as a malignant narcissist according to the DSM-5. Psychologists aren't really allowed to use the term "evil" to describe someone but malignant narcissists really are the closest real-life example of something that could be considered evil.
Even the guy who wrote the Gospel of Judas did it because he recognized Yahweh as being evil so he said Jesus was summoned by a greater deity and Jesus's role was to perform some kind of ritual through his death. Funny enough, it even said Yahweh was known as the God of Fools who tricked the world into doing his evil deeds. For something that was thrown out of canon, it sure hit the nail on the head.
Kinda like Donald Trump
@apollyon_616 Any politician honestly.
Satan’s opening scene was pretty metal.
Just that creation alone makes Satan better.
Satan has way better music than god
Showing that Hell is a rave, while Heaven is stiff and boring? Satan wins out of the gate.
But took forever to animate haha 🥵
@@DarkMatter2525 That was readily apparent- I was immediately gobsmacked by the creativity on display. Only in the movie Constantine have I seen the “underworld” so well presented.
The Lucifer story sounds cool until you really think about it and realise it refers to a King of Tyre and is not meant for a supposed Fallen Angel. Plus hell and satan Christians didn't come from the Old Testament, but from the New Testament. The God pantheon is best explained in God: An Anatomy. Also man it's so annoying that the free will defense is used so often to excuse evil, and it doesn't explain away God commanding genocide
Lucy fur😂😂
Lucy, please
@@tradergirljamThe Hazbin Hotel version of Lucifer gave Eve the Fruit of Knowledge but didn't have bad intentions and just wanted to give free will to humanity.
@@leebulger7112OH YUCK HAZBIN HOTEL LUCIFER IS JUST A SHAME AND DISGRACE TO THE CHRACTER LUCIFER
Lucifer is actually a Latin name for Venus.
To me, the best attack against the "you need to make a choice" genre of arguments is another belief that most Christians hold themselves - babies that die are guaranteed to live happily with God forever. That is a straight up admission that a choice is not necessary.
If theyre baptised. If not they burn. Yea, those are some moral paragons.
Well, in Catholicism they don't, they get sent to Limbo and grow there. People in Limbo are thought not to be knowledgeable of things, so they don't suffer, but they aren't saved either, it's just a slightly worse version of Earthly life basically. At some point they'll learn of Jesus, and then they will need to make a decision. Once they do, they leave Limbo, going either to Heaven or Hell proper.
The main difference between Earth and Limbo, or so it's understood by many Catholic theologians, is that being alive on Earth provides _many_ chances to decide to go pro-Jesus. Earth life even allows flip-flopping between the pro and anti-Jesus camps freely. But once one dies, the decision one takes in a state of immateriality becomes definitive. So the advantage of being alive is one can train to make their one final decision the correct one. But people in Limbo are already immaterial, so they only get one chance to make their decision. Whatever they decide, that's it, no change of mind later.
That's why Catholics are so adamantly pro-life: because a baby allowed to grow has tons of chances of being saved, whereas an aborted soul in Limbo will have one, and only one, chance, thus making Limbo a strictly worse state of existence.
@@ThirtytwoJYea that sounds so scuffed you can definitely miss me with that
@@ThirtytwoJ Apparently they can just go to purgatory, which is still away from God but blissful??
@@AidenOcelot hah
God having to essentially shut down the debate and then speak on behalf of his opponent is rather fitting, I can't count the amount of times I've heard christians say "X thinks Y." and those responding are like "I've never heard anyone even remotely say that."
It's the whole "you just want to sin" business among others, there is no attempt at understanding, just smearing with whatever accusation that makes disagreement palatable, it's not that non-christians might have a point, they're just evil, it's not that they don't believe, they just worship satan.
Every accusation is a confession. They're saying that religion is neccessary to control THEIR impulses.
Growing up Baptist I always wondered why every 3 or 4 lines Yahweh would say "I am your lord your god, there are no other gods before me" like he was seriously overcompensating.
No other gods before. So, there are other gods, just not to be worshipped before worshiping Yahweh. He even explicitly says that he is enacting judgment on the gods of Egypt. Not that he’s the only god, just more powerful than them.
There are other translations, "I am your lord your god, you shall have no other gods before me". If this is an accurate translation it seems that God himself acknowledges that other gods exist, he just doesn't want you to worship them, only him.
@@andystokes8702 Yes. The early parts specifically mention that Yahweh is the god before all others. Most of the terms for Satan, like Baazebub, are corruptions of other gods from the surrounding areas.
@@thomasgallipoli8376 I guess that is part of the problem, the Bible has been rewritten and translated so many times that maybe we will never know what the original writings mean especially when we add on the confusion of so many people's different interpretations of the same text. Even the word 'before' can be interpreted as either higher or more important or it could just as easily be interpreted to mean chronologically, Yahweh existed prior to any of the other gods.
@@andystokes8702 yes and the significance of the Babylonian Captivity cannot be overstated. Like the video stated, Zoastrianism had a massive impact on Jewish scriptures and subsequently Christianity. DM2525’s video summarizes it perfectly.
Satan is part of God's plan. God created evil, temptation, suffering, eternal pain, and hypocrisy.
The more reasonable conclusion is that humans invented God.
"Reason shmeason. I don't want to think."
- Piously religious people
Just like humans, God creates the problem so he can be the solution.
@@xh0rsex *Oh, god is so great and mercifu!l* imagine letting the devil and his angels to manipulate and hurt humanity, for his own glory!
Definitely not a narcisistic and malevolent guy!
Yep, to selectively justify their own behaviour whilst demonizing others.
Don't forget narcissism.
The only time in the Bible that Satan killed anyone he had to get God's permission first. That is not an enemy, that is a henchman!
Good one never thought about it like this
Don't forget that In Job story God restored Jobs life and he got his life , family back again. Be thankful for what you have and thank God for everything good that comes in your life. ❤
@@sussiea9221 Job's wife and kids did not get their lives back. Guess that didn't matter since women and children are only property and don't count as people.
Job doesn't get his family back, he gets a NEW, BETTER family
Job 42:13
Also one character who is often attributed as Satan is The Angel Samael who, from what I know about Judaism (correct me if I'm wrong) is the angel that does God's dirty work.
Isn't God's offer to Christians kind of... evil? Consider what forgiveness actually is: the suspension of justice. No just punishment for actual wrongdoing. Instead someone innocent - Jesus - gets punished. I mean seriously would a good person take this offer? Would you have an innocent human tortured and killed for things *you* did? Would you accept that infinite punishment for finite crimes is just in the first place? Or would you rather be responsible for your own actions and take an *appropriate* amount of punishment for your own sins? If a good God exists, Christianity might as well be a test whether you'd take the immoral offer or not.
NO! GOD IS THE BEST!
@@Texan_christian1132you have to give something more than just GoDs Is GoOd🤓🤓🤡🤡
2k years ago in Rome. "I am Spartacus". Roman Gladiators.
Also 2k years ago in Rome and forever since "He is Jesus" with much hard pointing , All christians ever.
@@Texan_christian1132amen
Jesus is understood to have accepted punishment on our behalf as a sacrificial lamb as the religions of the time understood sacrifise.
That is one of the selling points that someone willingly went ahead and paid the price for your sins( or shortcomings.) And acknowledging this sacrifise and resolving or trying to do better when you experience shortcoming is the one of the way your sins are absolved.
Thanks for yet another good piece of infotainment about the Fable.
"The best cure for Christianity
is reading the bible"
- Mark Twain
My 12th grade English teacher "corrected" me when I said the Bible doesn't identify the serpent as Satan...
Edit: this was when reading Paradise Lost
My favorite is well, youre definitely proof Adams grandchildren were highly inbred... How else did they reproduce?
Many "educators" have no business teaching. They are there to indoctrinate children.
Technically you’re right even in Paradise Lost. The snake already existed before Satan possessed it.
There is a verse in Ezekiel 28 about a cherub in the garden of Eden being thrown to earth. Revelation also says that Satan was the serpent of old. It is a mish-mash, but that is how it got there.
@@haggismcbaggis9485
But if you read Ezekiel more closely, it was talking about the king of Tyre being the anointed Cherub. However, it clearly states that he was a man and mortal. He was reduced to ashes and was no more.
The same king was also called Lucifer, Son of the Morning in Isaiah, and it mentions that how he fell from Heaven, but it's more likely that his fall was from being perfect in the ways of the Lord to becoming violent and unequal as well as declaring himself to be superior to the Lord.
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Ezekiel also mentions the great dragon, the fleeing, twisting serpent. He is called king of Egypt in Ezekiel and Leviathan in Isaiah. He is decribed as having many heads and being the ruler of the rivers of Egypt and possibly of the Mediterranean Sea. The Lord is said to have smashed his heads in Isaiah and fished him with a hook from the rivers of Egypt in Ezekiel. In both of these instances, he seems to have been slain.
A similar character appears again in Revelation, as the great red dragon, serpent of old and Satan (who is the Devil in the New Testament). Here, he faught Michael, and he was thrown out of Heaven, dragging one third of the stars with him. He was imprisioned in the Abyss and later released for a short season. He will fight Jesus Christ and be thrown into the Lake of Fire.
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What's interesting is that Revelation seems to be borrowing from books like Isaiah, Daniel and Ezekiel and reiterating those stories.
This time it's Jesus Christ as the morning star vs. the Devil as the great red dragon. The Devil seems to incorporate aspects from Leviathan, Lucifer and Azazel. While it was Yahweh who faught with him in the Old Testament, here Michael fights with him instead.
Jesus Christ shares some aspects with Lucifer but inverted. They both share almost identical titles with ties to Venus, but Jesus Christ redeems and saves from the Lake of Fire instead of becoming corrupt and burning into ashes.
I’m voting for Odin. He’s just a nerd who likes to learn stuff.
Which Odin? The Aesir one? Or the cinematic illiterate one on Geeks + Gamers?
I’m voting for Bastet. Because cats.
I'm a Zeus guy.
He's a sex positive, swole, shape shifter that hurls lightning bolts!
😎
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@@cassiusdhami9215 Zeus is aight. He's a little _too_ sex positive sometimes tho, he often forgets to ask permission doesn't he?
DarkMatter’s comedy can be very dark. But…it matters!
As a matter of fact you're right as 90° degrees angel.
😂
Yes, I agree with every point. The early Christians were Gnostics, and Marcion especially despised the God of the Old Testament, so Satan in the new testament refers to God. The beast in the book of Revelation chapter 13:1-8 references God in Hosea 13:1-8, so the New Testament is also calling him the Beast. In reality, the New Testament was written by the Piso family, and the Revelation by the black sheep of the family Julius who wrote it to expose them.
Who were the Piso Family?
@@whitemountainapache3297 Methinks they're referring to the fringe hypothesis that Christianity was invented in Rome ca. 300-ish CE.
@@alexhajnal107that's not a fringe hypothesis its mainstream history.. There was no Church or heresy before the Council at Nicea.Before that a wide variety of people and groups were Christian, and they believed a wide variety of things. Constantine wanted Christianity to be a state religion so those he invited decided which books were allowed into the Bible, and decided what was doctrine and what wasn't. Frankly it's a shame the Protestants barely changed itvat all, they allowed 95% of 1100 yrs of Catholicism to stand instead of going back to before the Church and taking it from there.
God invented "Satan" as an excuse to cover-up His own terrible blunders in creating such an imperfect universe.
Like those dreaded foreskins
When I was a kid in Sunday School, one of the stories that bothered me most was the banishment of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden, for daring to eat the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge. They were punished eternally for gaining the knowledge of good vs evil. But without knowledge of good and evil, there can be no choice between them. That struck me as very unfair as a child.
They were punished for disobeying God. What do u mean by the statement "punished eternally?" Just curious. He also warned them. He gave them everything and simply asked one thing from them, he had a right to expect obedience, just as a parent would expect from a child. They had ample warning that they would simply die if they didnt listen. Their disobedience did raise an interesting question however.....Can humans succeed without their creators guidance? Can they rule themselves and decide whats right and wrong?What has history shown?
@@ShanKayVI object to every premise you have laid out. For starters you minimize the absolutely ridiculous demands of your creator by st
@@helenhollis3984 I think some of your response is missing but Each to their own :)
Stating that he "simply asked for one thing". So by your logic, anything can be asked, no matter how ludicrous as long as one is only asking one crazy thing. As if that is not misguided enough, you double down on the cray cray and compare a request that makes no sense to something a parent asks of a child, Santa anyone? Lastly you claim "Ample warning" I am going to strongly disagree and call it a I am going to make you an offer you can't refuse abusive thuggish thing to say to two humans who had not sinned yet
@@helenhollis3984 There was nothing ludicrous about what he asked. He gave them EVERYTHING they had, he gave them life. They had all they needed to be fulfilled and happy. He simply asked for them to show they loved him by being obedient. One request. If you think that crazy then like i said, each to their own. I feel thats completely reasonable. God warned them they would eventually grow old and die, that they would lose that prospect of everlasting life... he made sure they understood what was expected of them and the consequences of their actions. He had every right to expect obedience from them.
I'm still holding out for Superman vs. Homelander.
👍🏾😆😅😂🤣👏🏾
Debate or fight?
Because, if it's the later, I don't think you can upload videos on TH-cam, that are 0.000000003sec long.
@@JohnSpike8888Superman will win right?
I hope you meant highlander lol
@@JohnSpike8888 The fight would probably last quite a while, perhaps years even. Ultimately, Superman is almost guaranteed to win, but he also doesn't attack unprovoked. Homelander is going to pick his words and choices carefully. The first time they come to direct blows, There's no chance Superman is going to destroy Homelander outright. He couldn't even if he wanted to, because he needs a lot more time to muster up that amount of power. But he also wouldn't want to because he really just wants to put Homelander in his place without causing collateral damage.
Yahweh worshipers have been really quiet since this dropped
Maybe they are busy looking up his 69 siblings.
Baal is one of El's sons, 68 left
@@rcktneoofusa Asheera is his daughter, Moloch is another son.
@@damienasmodeus928 I watched the video with I believe Dr. Kipp (this is incorrect, it was data over dogma) last week, and they were talking about how scholarship is moving towards moloch could possibly be describing a form of sacrifice that they would offer to a deity, then not the name of a deity.
@@rcktneoofusa I'm pretty sure Baal and Yahweh are different names for the same character
A guy who posts anti-religious videos knows more about Christianity than most Christians. What does that say about us?
That The world is fucked and brainwashed
It says when presented with material that debunks your religion, indeed, any religion, you still can’t come to you senses.
That a lot of you are scared to question more and to lose something.
The devil knows more about christians because he has the power of evil! 🤯🤯
@@Poemwriter_Angelo and always existed and gawd let it happen.
God and his Bible are the original gaslighter. I see the light.
Izn't gawd actually da real evil one?
And the gas is obviously methane from all the bullshit!
@@mistylover7398 God is just a character in a book.
@@zap... still
@@zap... yes, the boogieman
NEVER STOP MAKING THIS CONTENT! I SWEAR IM OBSESSED WITH THESE VIDEOS FOR YEARS, I MUST HAVE MEMORIZED EVERY LINE OF YOUR PREVIOUS VIDEOS
Unfortunately, the people who need to see this will never give themselves permission to watch this.
New animation, and on a Sunday. Life is good.
Amen!
"Turn off the camera", I knew he was about to commit some attorcity. Lmao
If Satan is a hot woman, I bet half of the world will switch their religion.
Ironically, you can also blame God for giving humans lust... we're mammals, we can't reproduce without lust lmao
Christians: lust is a sin made by satan
Then we should thank Satan for giving us life, no?
Christians: No-no, God gave us good amount of lust. We should use that, no more.
...???
Elizabeth Hurley.
Satan could take over the churches soooo fast.
I agree 100%. Sex sells
Her name is Lucy.
God vs Dinosaurs next
God vs Stone Age Human
The dino will never forgive that one
Or God vs Omnipotence paradox
Ooooh, ooooh, what about God vs El (his father).
I discovered this channel some years ago yet that Jeffreys ass still cracks me up. I am your fan from India and religion is a very personal subject here and I still think that dark matter is deeply spiritual than being just a very intelligent critic of organised religion. I still remember having laughed so much because of you and I felt very sad when I saw your video about your personal loss. I always share your videos with my German friend who was born catholic but gravitated to Hinduism as she was never satisfied with Christianity and she always has a good laugh with your videos too. Love you Darkmatter2525.
Thank you very much. I appreciate your kind words.
A woman converting to a religion where women's dad pay dowry to men to marry their daughter, and then the daughter has to live alone for the rest of her life if her husband divorces her or dies? Nice!!!!
We need "good guys" and "bad guys" so that existence is more deamatic
Sounds like our current election cycle.
If you're an all powerful being that can bend the very fabric of reality, the greatest evil imaginable is boredom. Natural disasters are bad enough, imagine a god deliberately inflicting suffering in order to liven up their interest with drama.
@@meh2510 based god, no different than me maxing my sound and light system at night
@@meh2510 And then blaming people for building their houses where the natural disasters happened.
Seriously, that's the counter argument my christian aunt used when I played the natural disasters card. And that's the moment I realized I couldn't win, and I just gave up.
"Me bless you" - the humour is strong with this channel.
“You’re Me damn right, it is!”
This reminds me that very recently when I was replying to Christians and talking to them in the comment section of a Christian TH-cam channel. I tried to argue humanity's case but they kept making snarky comments that humanity is lower than dirt and we never change and we deserve hell unless we accept Jesus. Eventually When i try posting a comment I noticed that when I refreshed the page they were instantly removed leaving only the Christians responding to me while I cant do anything about it.
Same experience
@@missinterpretation4984 I think there comes a point in life were you have to accept that People will never change. I think that's the most admirable quality that we as humans possess no matter how ridiculous a belief or religion may seem people will still defend and die for it no matter what. We are a very Determined and persistent species if we were given a reason to fight, we will fight for it until we die. What a scary thought that is.
@@boxhunter9742 It's frustrating though, because THOSE people who never change, are controlling the vast majority of our planet, worse, they have more human rights and privileges and social merit than the others. I can't accept it, because they threaten my, and billions, the mere right to exist and prosper, in a world already full of judgment and entitlement.
I don't stand with Christians but there is no justice for all the narcissistic abuse all over the place from Narcissists and I think they deserve punishment.
TH-cam hit me with a hate speech warning and a list that included criticizing religion, which is bs. When one of the gullible theists reports your comment, it gets taken down.
Never understood the argument of Satan being allowed in the garden of eden.
Or the fact that he told the truth, while god lied.
Another thinking is, why would a god place a forbidden tree in the middle of the garden? And still let Satan allowed in Eden. Hmmm... What does that look like? That these things were deliberately meant to happen. 👀
@@smith123p
All part of that perfect plan.
Satan was never there. It was the serpent, the most subtil beast of the field. People get that from the Book of Enoch where it says that Azazel led Eve astray. He has much in common with the Devil in the New Testament of the Bible.
@@smith123ptrees actually. There are two trees. The tree of knowledge of good and bad & the tree of everlasting life.
This needs to be spammed to every christian forum, reddit group, facebook group, instagram thingy, and anything else like that.
ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY!
yes!
I’ve been waiting
Preyz Gord for your Holey Patience
I don't know how you are able to gather all this information and then present it in such an entertaining way. Already looking forward to the next video.
Greek myths, Roman myths, Egyptian myths, Norse myths, Jewish myths
I now identify as modern satanist. Which represents believing in personal growth.
Cult of the ego is no better than cult of religion.
@@avasdv For that tax benefit, the one all other religious institutions get. It's pretty unfair so it's best to go with satanist.
@@avasdv modern satanism is not to be confused with traditional satanism. It's an atheist religion just like the flying spaghetti monster.
If god exists we don't even fear him because we know we are good people. And an all knowing being like god does not send people to hell just for not believing in him cause that's selfishness. If god is smart he would agree with that. And we are allowed to think free because that's how he created us. The bible is still written by prophets including kings. So it's not purely god's word.
@@avasdv I admire your curiosity.
@@avasdv but what is rationality?
You really know your stuff. I didn't know all of that about Satan. The Christmas tree and the Easter bunny are also things from the Celts added to Christianity.
Even the mythos of Christmas came from the pagans and the Iranian god Mithra.
Yea, it was part of how to convert pagans.
@@JamesDavy2009nope
Sounds like a presidental debate
Fun fact: Beezlebub ia just the Bastardized version of the Sumerian God of Fertility, Baal Zebul. And Belphegor is just Baal Zebul as well.
Also Baphomet is not really a demon and doesn't really mean anything evil. Same with a Pentagram which is just alchemic symbol for the 5 Western Elements Fire, Water, Earth, Wind, and Aether and the Pentacle (Pentagram with a circle touching all points) stands for unity.
Christianity, following Judaism, merely demonized all signs, symbols, names and old gods besides the particular special ones they stole and propped up.
The pentagram has a lot of mathematical significance as the ratios of its various segments all equate to φ:1.
Very well done! Punishing them for knowing the difference between good and evil. Then claiming wanting people to know the difference. Then boiling it down to belief alone... and not good nor evil but claiming a name in a god. Deep Deep Deep!
Hello from northern Illinois ... I hope all my fellow heathens and science minded humans are doing well enough?
Chicago! Sweaty but well lol
I wish I could say, but apparently I'm just a bunch of chemicals doing random shit, and I can't actually KNOW if I'm doing well without GAWD.
@@chinkasuyaro8983
You seem fine to me.
Thanks for asking Cap.
My meat sack seems to be rotting quicker than usual, but other then that I'm doing fine.
😊
Yessir Captain! I'm doing well enough, although this next election got me biting my fingernails down to the quick!
babe wake up, a new darkmatter2525 video releases
teleased*
released*
@@tem7334you aware that YT allows you to edit your comments, right? Tap the three dots at the top right.
@@tem7334 also yt allows you to delete replies, like the 2nd duplicate one you added. -.-
7:02 ‘Me bless you.’
That’s genius.
In the Bible, Satan did nothing wrong. God was the one who killed people for not acting obsequious enough to him, who led people to sin, who drowned everyone in the whole world, who ruined Job's life just to win a bet and who killed babies to punish their fathers. All Satan ever did was try to convince people to not worship God. You know, that guy who killed everybody, like drowning everyone in the world and murdering babies to upset their fathers? All Satan said was "maybe you shouldn't worship that guy." I wouldn't call that evil. The "evil" things he did all came from sources outside the Bible, like "Paradise Lost" and "The Pilgrim's Progress" and "The Exorcist," none of which are sacred texts.
This is spot on 🙌 great work again!
Been looking forward to this one
Satan spitting facts tbh.....
Yes she did
@@revengance4149 I corrected it thank you
As he always does
The serpent: "Ummm, sky daddy is lying to you....just watch..." Adam and Eve play along. "Yup." If people aren't running for the door at that point, to escape the church, then they are either in on it knowing it is a lie, or they weren't paying attention and they never made the connection. "Hey! Do you want to be in on this big lie with me? You do? Great. You don't? Oh...what we plan to do to you and say about you if you don't...." This is how people end up becoming part of a criminal organization or a mafia.
Satan is the goat. Literally
This is awesome! Just a follow up, what about Jesus temptation in the desert, i wonder what is the origin for that one
These are really well thought out, not just from a philosophical aspect, but for entertainment as well
To release this on a sunday,impeccable 😊
Dude, you are one of the SMARTEST people I have found on social media. Thank you for using your smarts for good.
He isn't that smart, extremely cunning and malicious is more like it.
From algeria here , when i left islam in my youth you were one of the most important reasons why i haven't convert into chritianity
Well DarkMatter is misinterpreting The Holy Bible to fit his viewpoint of how God should be like in order to get people away from learning the truth.
The truth is that God is righteous, humble, slow to anger, and not a monster like how he is portrayed in these anti-God videos.
God bless you. 🙏
@@JesusIsKingOfKings-yj4xfim sure your comment will convert him to Christianity immediately
@@snowbound4913 bad thing
I love that DM has kept the spinning head/torso effect in his animations xD
As an atheist, (former born again christian) I really never have thought about the answer to the question of "what good does god do?" I was surprised at the workload on my brain when I was trying to think about this...
Stopping word war 2, duh. /s
I hear he usually just keeps busy helping people find their car keys and blessing people every time they sneeze
Now you see
He starts your car for you, the epitomy of omnipotence
There was a Christian ad just prior to me viewing this. 😂 I was so excited to see a new upload!
finally another animation, the best form of story telling!
Bro, your shit is on a whole new level now. This is where the arguments end. Pointed, accurate, referenced sources. Yes!
11:00 kind of blew my mind. I'd never actually noticed that.
I've always pointed out the fact that, if 'god' is omniscient, he already knew what choice Adam and Eve were going to make, so what was the point of the 'test' in the first place?
I never noticed that 'Adam and Eve' had to choose between knowing or not knowing something they didn't know in the first place.
Religion is a bizarre thing and I still don't understand why it still exists. I really wish I wasn't living in a time period where future humans will be stunned when they look at what we believed and did, in the same way we scoff at what people believed in and did in just the past couple of centuries.
Why can't we have been the time period that ditched ancient fairytales and started a Golden Age of discovery about the universe?
This is the debate to end all religious debates. Thank you for this DarkMatter.
Christian here (though I have unusual beliefs), excellent video. I have a few thoughts.
What fascinates me about the Old Testament is the lack of propaganda. God doesn't seem to care if the reader likes him or not. He says he is good in the Bible but his actions clearly reflect behavior that we would consider less than good, like sending evil spirits to torment people and purposefully deceiving his own prophets. God's message seems to be something like, "I say what is and is not good, it doesn't matter if you agree or not." If you want to win people over, the Old Testament fails completely at doing that, which is why most Christians focus on Jesus Christ and view God the Father through a perception of Christ. If there was no New Testament, I think the Abrahamic religions would be half the size they are now.
But God the Father as depicted in the Old Testament is interesting to me. I have tried dissecting his character and have drawn a few conclusions. One of the major conclusions is that FREE WILL DOES NOT EXIST. A few reasons I say this...
ONE - when God tells you to do something, you do it. It's not a question, it's an order. Neither Moses nor Jonah initially wanted to do what God commanded but in the end, they relented and they never appeared to actually have a choice.
TWO - When something bad happens, God is always responsible (Isaiah 45:7 good and evil come from me
I can see how you'd get these ideas from the old testament, but the only thing I'm confused about is how hell works here. How can a fire be purifying, cleansing or lead to people being reborn? And what does reborn mean in this context?
@@Papierkorb2292 In Isaiah 6: 6-7, an angel uses a piece of burning coal to purify Isaiah's lips and atone him of his sins. So the concept of purification through fire (and surviving through it) does exist in the Bible. I simply took the concept further to propose that all hellfire could have this effect. In the Bible, hell is described as being a place where you burn forever. It's eternal punishment. It's an everlasting fire. Seems pretty straight forward, but the Bible is often not what it seems.
The Bible uses words like "forever" very liberally. In Isaiah 32:14 and Samuel 2:30, the word forever seems to mean very long time, or until you die.
Everlasting fire simply implies the fire will last but not necessarily the contents burning within.
Now getting past that eternal punishment bit is the trickiest part and admittedly requires the most mental gymnastics. I would simply put forth that dying in hellfire is a form of eternal punishment because who you were is literally gone forever. Even if you are reborn, it's a new version of you, separate and different from the old. The old you is dead forever (eternal punishment), the new you is reborn in perfection (salvation). In this way, one can experience both.
I do not think everyone will have to burn in hell to achieve salvation, just the particularly stubborn people. Philippians 2:10-11 says that everyone will confess that Jesus is Lord. This acceptance of Jesus coupled with hellfire seems like a process to save everyone.
So yeah, this is what I think will happen.Take everything I say with a grain of salt though. I don't actually know anything. Would love to hear your opinion.
@@raymondjohnson2724 Interesting, I can see where you got that from, but ascribing this property to fire still basically sounds like magic to me. I mean I don't see what would give specifically fire (or heat in general, seeing as it was just a piece of coal), this property.
Furthermore, I still can't really make sense of it, because I don't see a reason why this would be a thing. Why would god create hell like this, especially when the old you ends up disappearing anyway and giving away to a different person. What's the purpose of the punishment then and why would it be required to be pure or reborn? That sounds like unnecessary suffering to me.
All of these books and references IMO come from the minds of great philosophical thinkers who thought about existence and explanations for causes and effects in the world. These men existed all through time in all cultures. Stories have been passed around verbally before the invention of writing. Most of it are fables and legends and to this day, no one knows what happens when you die.
Great video, the satan literary device character started out as a personality trait of the yahweh and then mutated into a separate noun much much later, eventually christian cults turning it into the new updated diabolus character. Although even many early gnostic christians who were just christians believed yahweh was the original evil demiurge anyway.
Izn't gawd actually da real evil
Yess! More animations!
Dark matters is back!!😊😊
Stop
I was praying for more recent Lucy content, glad to see Dark Matter answered my prayers 😇
He really truly does "hear" our "prayers".. lol. Very ironic but that's the fun part of life. Finding someone, people, a community that is not governed by someone elses thoughs and rules and how it should be's...but on people simply reflecting very profound truths about the greatest lie of all time -religion.
I haven’t watched in a long time but I just wanted you to know that you armed me with the arguments I needed to defend myself leaving Catholicism so thank you
Satan kill count: Zero
God: kills billions
Lucifer killed Job’s children in the book of Job.
@@unknownuser6757 God is responsible for the suffering that his righteous servant Job, has to endure. He is even manipulated by the satan to allow him free reign in attacking Job. God even acknowledges that the misery and pain inflicted on Job, was for no reason. it’s definitely a work of fiction. In the end after God causes all of this chaos, Joey ‘s given exactly 7 sons and three daughters to replace the ones that were lost lol
@@NAYR8You say it’s a work of fiction, idk what to believe anymore. I’ve been a Christian all my life, but now I’m having doubts
@@unknownuser6757 The clincher for me - aside from a few events claimed as historical that absolutely are factually NOT, like the Flood and the Exodus - is that god is claimed to be a good, moral being, and yet repeatedly violates his own standards of morality. The contradiction is too great to ignore.
To above comments just read the Bible, that's how you deconvert... Though your brain will reason it out, but you have to seek truth and try to be objective to be fair.
Rant add, I read the Bible many times but took it as truth before reading it. That is the wrong opposite way to figure out truth. It is deceiving ones own self and doesn't validate God also, blind belief should not hold any value, therefore taking the Bible as truth is invalid.
These characters are right there with the Flintstones, absolutely awesome
To a Normal Person, The Flintstones was a cartoon.
To a creationist, The Flintstones was a documentary.
@@DavidStowers-o7kBut that also had dinosaurs with humanity and other animals, if not neanderthal? Most mainstream science says that is not the case, along with no Adam and Eve/Lilith? Not sure so-called "christians" even believe in dinosaurs? There are even some channelings that contradict and have said they exist in hollow Earth and are vegan?
You should make a video where the pantheon is broken down into a tier list, in order to pick out the only god everyone should worship for know on.
Seconding this
You have a way of putting things I've tried ineptly to explain previously so succinctly. Keep it up.
My jaw is on the floor! This may be your most incisive story yet. Please do more videos about the polytheistic early scriptures.
RARE EVENT: New animation!
Bart Simpson: How do we even know we're worshiping the right god? We could just be making god madder and madder.
Sometimes a talking snake is just a talking snake.
If the pet shops ever got hold of one and could keep up with the demand, they would make a *FORTUNE* - I'd buy one in a heart beat.
It's been years i so missed this content. Today was the first time it popped up
Oh my goodness. I got in the video. How wonderful. Great video, very good.
Keep exposing these ☪️UL✝️ followers
What about the oldest cult Hinduism
You should make a video comparing God and North Korea
I was surprised to hesr Angra Mainyu mentioned here. Good stuff
Is that where the word "angry" comes from?
Brilliant! And the user comments at the end were really funny! 🤣
I saw Darkmatters video so often over the past year, during my deconstruction. They seem soo familiar now 😅
Thank you for this video!
Soo many good points in your videos!
And they are soooo much fun to watch!!
The argument is that the birth of Zoroaster should not be equated with the Christian concept of the virgin birth for several reasons:
1. **Involvement of a Human Father**: Zoroaster's birth involved a human father, Pourushaspa. The "kingly glory" or divine presence resided in Zoroaster's mother for about 15 years, including during the time she was married to Pourushaspa, indicating that a human father was still necessary for Zoroaster's conception. This contrasts with the Christian narrative where Jesus was born to a virgin without the involvement of a human father.
2. **The "Divine Ray"**: The "divine ray" mentioned in the Avesta is described as something that infused Zoroaster's spirit, but it did not contribute to his physical conception. This differs from the Christian belief where Jesus is conceived by the Holy Spirit without any human paternal involvement.
3. **Later Sources**: The Avesta, which describes Zoroaster's birth, is a later text compared to the origins of Christianity. This suggests that the accounts of Zoroaster's birth might have been influenced by other religious ideas over time, and thus should not be seen as a parallel to the original Christian narrative.
4. **Misunderstanding of "Immaculate Conception"**: The term "immaculate conception" is often misunderstood and incorrectly applied to refer to Jesus' virgin birth. In reality, it pertains to the Roman Catholic doctrine that Mary was born without original sin. Misapplying this term leads to inaccurate comparisons between Zoroaster and Jesus.
In summary, while there may be some superficial similarities between the religious stories, the underlying concepts and circumstances surrounding the births of Zoroaster and Jesus are fundamentally different. The presence of a human father and the purpose of the "divine ray" in Zoroaster's conception make it clear that his birth does not align with the Christian understanding of a virgin birth.
That's chatgpt lol