That bison is almost 120 grand in canda. Completely nuts. You can buy a raptor for way less and have three times the truck.. the bison colorado is almost 90 grand up here. Gm has lost its mind. Wait till the end of the year and gm will be discounting them heavily as there will be no buyers.
bullcrap. That's a piss poor design and there's no excuse for it. I smell a class action lawsuit on people who take there vehicles over landing or anywhere "technical"
Right….. soooo $85k is FUCKING INSANE. I own a 2022 trail boss 6.2L custom trim level and even my truck was overpriced. I do love it but…. the cost of pick up trucks is fucking bizarre because we’re all idiots and we agreed to pay it.
10:35 I was literally about to comment about how this time it finally stayed in 4wd, but nope. For regular models that t-case system would be fine, but for this most offroad oriented version seems silly to retain that instead of using a proper unit like Ford gives the option for.
It's something he's doing. He's the only tester to ever have this happen. I climbed a wicked switch back with 500 feet of elevation gain in 4wd low, 2 weeks ago, with zero issues. I've got 60k miles on my Trailboss, it has thr same Tcase as this, never run into this problem and I have a lot of offroad time in mine.
Aldo happened to Texas Truck channel on their AT4x. Clutch based system has torque limitations that I think high rpm’s in the 6.2 combined with 4Lo gearing overwhelms. System probably detects clutch slippage and/or heat and disengages to avoid detonation. This is where the Raptor HiLok tcase is far superior, increased Clamping force.
@@terrencejones9817 It is something he's doing. It says in the manual not to exceed 45 mph in 4-low. It's to protect the clutch in the t-case as well as prevent stupidity from breaking something up front if the diff is locked. It's the trade-off you have to deal with when it comes to IFS+front locker+automatic transfer case. Fortunately with the insanely low first gear that modern transmissions have, 4-high is far more capable than boomers assume that grew up with 3 or 4 speed transmissions and 4-low was absolutely critical for going up any decent grade in 4WD.
The reason at 12:59 when it understeered is because having the locker in it wont be able to turn as well because both back wheels turn at the same speed when locked and when you are turning normally your inner wheel turns slower than your outer wheel allowing for smooth turning.
Unless you specifically need front and rear lockers or are an ARB/Bison fanboy, just buy a trail boss, LTZ, or High Country z71 and put upgraded aftermarket shocks (King, Fox, etc) and Deaver leaf springs on it and save a ton of money. Look into the company Dirt King which makes many great bolt-on parts for the GM 1500's. Did this to my loaded '16 LTZ and its an amazing truck.
It's because for some reason he insists on intentionally leaving the diffs unlocked and instead does the old two-foot trick that guys with only open diffs have to use to climb hills. His right foot is applying >50% throttle and he's dragging the brakes with his left foot to try to send more power to the tires with the most grip. Car and Driver found out that when in 4lo, the computer is programmed to drop out of 4lo if it sees >50% throttle + brakes being applied. For some reason this clown insists on not using the features of the truck to off-road and is trying to 'old school' it. He did it here and he did the exact same thing in the Bison video when the group all engaged their lockers but he told GM's staff he was going to climb it without lockers and later made the passing comment that he was "two-footing it". Let the truck do its thing with the lockers activated, stop doing this r*tarded boomer two-footing sht.
lmao the comment made me laugh a lot, yeah I think if he did rear locker, 4HI, he'd have gotten right through, that's what I typically do for that stuff to keep the lugs clear for biting. But of course, crawling in 4LO with both lockers even in mud like that it typically just pulls right through lol@@hochhaul
@@kristoferfc6525 haha yea i had to vent after finally figuring out what he was doing to cause all these trucks to drop out of 4lo. to realize he's two-footing it instead of using the two selectable lockers we are here to see, and then throwing shade at GM for it dropping out of 4lo due to something he's doing.... it's just... I'm at a loss for words. Nobody is getting anything out of watching him try to get around in mud with open diffs. we're here to see how the features of the truck perform, not watch him do tricks with his feet🤦♂
I’d be really surprised if the auto-switch to 2H happened in order to protect the clutch pack between the differentials. It probably thought that you’re on a standard road again and you just forgot to disengage 4L. Ryan, did you maybe get in touch with Chevy and asked them what’s the reason for the mode switch?
It’s annoying it changed out of 4LO but I guess I can understand why, as you mentioned maybe too much speed or maybe it sensed too much wheel speed and to protect the T Case it shut off? That would be my only guess. Great video!
It's changing out of 4lo because for some reason he insists on intentionally leaving the diffs unlocked and instead does the old "two-foot" trick that guys with only open diffs have to use to climb hills. His right foot is applying >50% throttle and he's dragging the brakes with his left foot to try to send more power to the tires with the most grip. Car and Driver found out that when in 4lo, the computer is programmed to drop out of 4lo if it sees >50% throttle + brakes being applied. For some reason this clown insists on not using the features of the truck to off-road and is trying to 'old school' it. He did it here and he did the exact same thing in the Bison video when the group all engaged their lockers but he told GM's staff he was going to climb it without lockers and later made the passing comment that he was "two-footing it". Let the truck do its thing with the lockers activated, stop doing this r*tarded boomer two-footing sht.
Mmm, the stange thing is the firsts gear are alocated in the front side of the transmission, for that reason, a good practice its if you are climbing so much, always use the 4 low in high gearing if you want to keept a good speeed to keep the transfer and gearbox cool. Maybe the reason os for protect axels….., not sure
I think trail boss should have an AEV option as well, but obviously it would be with the 5.3 and would have a suspension other than what comes on the ZR2. But it would make the trail boss way more off-road capable for those who just want a normal off-road truck. Maybe even throw in a front locker option?
I'm still holding on to my 2022 chevy Silverado trail boss 6.2 i bought 2 months ago with 14500 miles on it for 40,000 cash in az but it does have a restored title it was passenger side hit every thing works great .
Oh man!!! I want so bad to try that hill again in the mucky conditions!! Super cool just how much the surface changes on your course with different weather conditions. Cool review.
Yeah, Consumer Reports and Edmonds rank the GM pickups as being the WORST in reliability and to avoid them. That’s sad since Stillantis / Fiat Owns Chrysler, Dodge, Ram and Jeep.
It's also different based on the transfer case. Some transfer cases have clutches to engage 4lo and send power to the front axle. The ZR2 Silverado and Colorado both have a clutch in them, so there is a speed limit in the computer to prevent damage to the transfer case or possibly even the front locker if it is engaged. I don't know why this guy doesn't just use 4-Hi, it was obvious when he started using 4-hi that 4-lo was unnecessary if not worse. It has a 10 speed with a 4.70 first gear, it doesn't need the gear reduction of 4-lo.
If this guy knew how to off road he would be dangerous. He never even used the front locker because he had to be in 4lo and he couldn't spin the tires because of the clutches kicking him out due to spinnin the tires at 40 plus mph in 4lo. The whole idea is to keep traction not to break it for no reason. He really needs to watch other reviews and see how completely opposite his ideas of what to do is from let's say Truck King or TFL TRUCK. This guy's is tbh a walking contradiction of off road know how.
@Newguy56 it turns out he was using an old timer trick used with open diffs and was dragging the brakes as he gas it gas. Instead of using the lockers as they were intended to be used, he left them unlocked and instead dragged the brakes to control wheel slip. The only problem is that the computer was programmed to disengage 4LO when it detects greater than 50% brake application. That was the cause of the wheel slip and 4LO disengaging the whole time. Really, it was a dumb way to review trucks. Instead of showing how the features were designed to help offroad, he decides he's going to drive it like an old school 70's truck with an open diff. It shows us nothing about the real capability and confuses everyone watching the video when he causes the truck to intervene and act strange.
I live in the desert and take out my ZR two offering all the time up and down hills and it’s never shipped it out of four-wheel-drive to Chulo Jazelle me ever
33.2 inch tyres in 18 inch wheels. If the tyres size gonna stay the same after further modifications too. I'm gonna opt for 17 inch wheels 275/70 R17(33.16). I preferred mechanical lever for 2H, 4H and 4L. It's so satisfying cuz you're putting in the drive mode and not asking the vehicle to be in that particular drive mode.
I don't believe that 17" wheels have enough space to clear the brake calipers on the 2019+ trucks. The 2014-19's were the last GM fullsize trucks that would fit 17" wheels.
@@hochhaul They are all priced too high these days. I'd love to have the truck but no one with a net worth below 1m can justify spending 70k+ on something that will depreciate to 20k in 7 or 8 years. At this rate, in 8 years a well equipped truck will be 100k
You can get them for 73k now. I think that hill could've been made by engaging both lockers-it's amazing what happens when they are both set. Awesome truck-I'm close to pulling the trigger-just can't decide on the engine...
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Nice video and nice but expensive truck. Just the sound seems a bit off. Maybe its my setup but especially in the first 5 minutes the music overlays the voice a bit too much. Keep up the good content! Really enjoy it.😊
The music is dropped by 30 dB versus The Voice. Which is even more than we normally drop the music. It could be related to your set up, but will definitely keep an eye on that in future episodes.
Why do they combined front locker with rear? I get that if you’re locking the fronts, you probably want the rear too. But if you already have a dedicated button for the rear locker, why not just a separate button for the front, exclusively?
replay when he goes over the buttons. He presses the rear lock button and the button lights up, than he presses the front and rear lock button and the rear only lock button goes out. It is setup so anytime you lock the front, the rear will lock as well. They give you the rear only lock button for the times that is all you want.
To keep stupid people from trying to drive around with the rear unlocked but the front locked. They have basically decided to use the computers to prevent stupid people from breaking their truck by making poor decisions.
Why does it seem you only test GM trucks on the ladder when the course is at its worse conditions? LOL! And why did you remove the bed cover to do the off-road testing?
4-lo is only for rock crawling and slow speed no wheel spin situations. In this mud you should have only been in 4-hi as driving in 4-lo with that much wheel speed will destroy the transfer case, and for every vehicle with 4-lo as well.
Found my dad's window sticker for his 2010 Chevrolet Z71 4x4 extended cab(rear suicide door), with the 5.3L V8 and premium interior package as well as a bed liner...etc etc. . . . $36,000. These car companies have absolutely lost their minds tagging these trucks north of $60,000. Especially since half the stuff they put on a truck now is completely unnecessary... air conditioned seats? Reclining rear seats? Heated seats for everyone(except that smart cowboy in the back seat). Ridiculous!
Well remember that the price/percentage difference between that $36k model and a $60k model today is similar to what a 1997 model was (~$21-22k) versus the 2010 model. Were people in 2010 saying similar about how OEMs have lost their minds?
@FlowStateNewOrleans 💯!! I don't know who is buying them, but like you said, those of us living life on a budget sure aren't. I refuse to pay over $325 a month for a vehicle. And I honestly prefer to keep it around $275. My motto: If I can't afford all this stuff on minimum wage, then I'm paying too much for it! Sad thing is it is getting harder to afford anything at that level, even if you are trying to pay for it the right way and put money back into savings for it. But that's OK, the shareholders are all doing just fine. 👌🙄😒
@ALMX5DP BUT...there is one huge difference here: In 1997 the Federal Minimum Wage was $5.15. In 2010 that had been raised 41% to $7.25. The price of that new $25,000 truck from 1997 to 2010 had risen at the same rate of roughly 41 percent. That 2010 truck at $36,000 though, has risen 67% to $60,000+ today, while the Federal Minimum Wage since 2010 has risen ZERO percent.
@@dennisveazey4469 I referenced the similarities between $22k/36k versus $36k/60k. And the increase in minimum wage is a completely separate issue to product cost and pricing.
If that’s the case on the 4low and high RPM wonder why they don’t have 4Lo fail to 4Hi vs all the way down to 2wd? I’m not an off-road 4wd expert but I assume it could be programmed that way ?? Another great video review. Love the truck but not for $85k 😂
It isn't "failing" into 2wd. It's because for some reason he insists on intentionally leaving the diffs unlocked and instead does the old two-foot trick that guys with only open diffs have to use to climb hills. His right foot is applying >50% throttle and he's dragging the brakes with his left foot to try to send more power to the tires with the most grip. Car and Driver found out that when in 4lo, the computer is programmed to drop out of 4lo if it sees >50% throttle + brakes being applied. For some reason this clown insists on not using the features of the truck to off-road and is trying to 'old school' it. He did it here and he did the exact same thing in the Bison video when the group all engaged their lockers but he told GM's staff he was going to climb it without lockers and later made the passing comment that he was "two-footing it". Let the truck do its thing with the lockers activated, stop doing this r*tarded boomer two-footing sht.
Sorry, didn’t notice that in the shot. We filmed that completely separate time and just inserted it into that moment. Instead, follow what I said on camera that would be more accurate.
you gotta defeat traction control all the way too otherwise the ESC cuts in too much on you, I get through tons of gnarly mud like that all the time, on a hill, but I have a KM3 I really can't call the GoodYears Mud Terrains because they same design used to be called Max Traction
I didn’t realize the jumping out of 4 wheel drive was a constant thing. My 03 Z71 did that last week and I thought I broke the diff when it jumped in 2 wheel. Do they still use the G80 lockers?
They use G80 lockers on standard Silverados and Sierras yet. The ZR2 Colorado and Silverado use the Eaton E-locker. The reason it's kicking out of 4-low is because the manual says not to exceed 45 MPH in 4-low. He's pinning it in 4-low and to protect the clutch in the transfer case, it eventually shifts into 2wd. For his driving style he really only needs 4-hi. With the extra low 4.70 1st gear that the 10-speed has, GM is letting the transmission do the gear reduction instead of the ancient way of using the transfer case make up for what the transmissions couldn't do 30 years ago when everything was still a 4-speed and 1st gear might only be an relatively tall 2.52. Some boomers can't comprehend how much of the gear reduction has been shifted to the transmission, hence taller axle ratios.
4 Low is for low speed usage in the first place, not sure why everything thinks they need to use it every time they go offroad...it only multiplies the engine's torque output, it don't give you any better offroad capability....unless you are crawling, there's no need for low range offroad...many older 4WD systems were geared lower so you would be pretty close to red line on the engine around 30-35mph, and it was screaming by then anyhow. The clutch based 4WD systems aren't the greatest, and there's always gonna be some slippage somewhere in extreme conditions. If these automakers had any sort of brains they'd just go with a mechanical open center diff for the full time 4WD setting and dump the clutch based systems...a bit more expensive up front, but it'll not let you down when you need it. The NV242 "Selec'Trac" transfer case in the Jeep XJ, ZJ, WJ, and a few of the KJ's had the option, which gave you both full time and part time 4WD, low range and 2WD, without any electronics and without clutches. Better go back to that system, it was much more reliable...a beefed up version for today's higher output engines and you'd be set.
EXACTLY. Some guys really are oblivious to how differently modern trucks are designed compared to trucks from 30 years ago. 4-low was important for offroading 30 years ago when all trucks had 4-speeds with a 1st gear in 2.xx range (a GM TH400 had a 2.48 for first gear). Guys actually needed 4-low to climb hills back then. The 10-speed has a 4.70 for a 1st gear. Engineers have moved the work of gear reduction away from the axle and transfer case to the transmission itself. For climbing hills in a modern truck, 4-high is a better choice.
@@ALMX5DP true, but I still think it’s worth it. I got the oil change package and extended warranty with my 2020 Silverado with the duramax and I couldn’t be happier.
85k and no locking gas cap ! And the Toyota comment about no full time 4x4 they do that to not tear up the transmission. Why would you need full time to just drive on dry and smooth roads.
i want to say that I´d like more Chevy trucks than Ford or Toyota maybe for its reliability and for its characteristics like infotainment and exterior appearance.
No, the problem isn't the truck, it's the 80iq dunce behind the wheel that thinks it's the 1980's and you need 4-lo to make up for the tall gear ratios in 4-speed transmission. It's 2023, the truck has a 10-speed with a 4.70 first gear. This isn't a truck with a TH400 and a 2.48 first gear. You don't need 4-lo to climb muddy hills in 2023. The owners manually literally states that there is a speed limit for 4lo and that it will disengage if driven too fast. He has done this in multiple videos driving all kinds of GM trucks but for some reason he has never bothered to figure out what he's doing wrong.
@@hochhaul you sure he is exceeding the speed limit? He showed 4L auto switching to 2WD while he was not doing anything. Plus it is general off-road knowledge that low gears require low speed (around 40mph), otherwise you damage it. Is that different for modern GM/all trucks? Where I live, if a vehicle is stuck in sand dunes, we crawl out by deflating tires to 14 PSI, switch to 4L, keep at low RPM while turning the wheel left and right.
@@Moon222 The computer is looking at throttle position. Car and Driver caused the same thing to happen. This clown likes to try to climb hills without the rear locker locked and is, without a doubt, doing the old two-foot trick that guys with open diffs have to do to send power to the wheel with grip. He has his right foot applying >50% throttle and he's dragging the brake with the left to see if he can climb without engaging the rear locker. GM's computer guys programmed it so that if more than 50% throttle is commanded and the brakes are applied while in 40lo, it will disengage 4lo. He was doing the exact same r*tarded shit in the Colorado Bison. The whole group of Bisons were climbing fine while he boasted to the attendees that he was going to climb the hill without the lockers and while trying out terrain made in 4lo he said he was "two-footing it". Since it's a clutch based transfer case, too much throttle and brake can cause excessive wear that the engineers are trying to protect against.
Honestly, this whole unsolicited switching out of 4Low into 2WD business is a potential safety hazard. What if all this happened while you are on that muddy surface but instead of a relatively gentle hill, there is shelf road like couple hundred feet vertical drop on the left? Truck starts sliding to the left and you are desperately trying to keep it on the shelf road and because of the high stress situation you don’t even notice that you are not in 4WD anymore? That could lead to disaster.
No, the safety hazard is that he didn't bother to learn how the 4WD system works in GM trucks. He makes that painfully obvious every time he drives a ZR2 Silverado or a ZR2 Bison Colorado because he always uses the various modes incorrectly, causing the computer to have to intervene and drop it out of 4lo. In this case, in the mode he's in, the manual says it will drop out of 4lo if the computer senses excessive wheel speed. For his driving style, he would be better off in 4Hi with the rear diff locked.
I guess I didn’t follow the scenarios but he mentioned thinking he was turning on the parking brake and it turned it off so does it auto set the parking brake? Is that a setting? I have a 17’ Colorado with a foot parking brake (sloped driveway) I set the brake and go to park , when I turn it off I go to gear first and then release the brake (first on last off). I assume that’s how he’s using it?
He makes that painfully obvious every time he drives a ZR2 Silverado or a ZR2 Bison Colorado because he always uses the various modes incorrectly, causing the computer to have to intervene and drop it out of 4lo. In this case, in the mode he's in, the manual says it will drop out of 4lo if the computer senses excessive wheel speed. For his driving style, he would be better off in 4Hi with the rear diff locked.
I agree. He's a subbie fanboy... While I admittedly don't know that much about this truck but my thoughts are if you get kicked out 4low, the system should switch to 4 high...ending up in 2 wheel drive seems kinda crazy and dangerous really...@@hochhaul
@@kevinstarski1598 It can't switch to 4hi from 4lo while he's driving though. To accomplish that, it would have to force the truck to stop before disengaging low range and locking in 4hi.
Wait, does Chevy have no ability to vary the clutch engagement? If you look at say, an F-150 with a 4A mode, there's a clutch engagement % that corresponds to F/R power split.
Ford wants $60k for a regular F-150 XLT and almost every engine they use in the F-150 uses a rubber belt to turn the oil pump and requires pulling the timing chain to replace.... and those belts look like sht at 100k miles.
Overuse of 4 auto can shorten and/or destroy the TCASE...this is why I think Toyota does not offer this. Nice color of blue. 4lo disengagement is pretty crappy. I think that's annoying.
You whole way of thinking about intentionally spinning your tires is absolutely ridiculous. Just because you think it should be able to do it doesnt mean it is supposed to. 4 low is for crawling / climbing. 4 hi is for snow and higher speeds. Anyone who knows how to drive off road cringes watching you floor it in 4low "just to clean the tires." Watch Truck King as slow as possible as fast as necessary. Watch TFL TRUCK. Ive said it before you have absolutely no clue what you are doing Ryan.
It might be different where you live, but all the $10k wranglers around here have huge rusted out holes in the floor pan, the frame rust rotted away like a 5 year old Tacoma, and the suspension is so shot that it death wobbles every time you hit a hairline crack in the pavement.
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$85K. GM is out of their minds.
Seriously, what are they thinking
Theres definitely kilos of cocaine at GM hq.
They will sell it for 100k...dealers are out of their minds...wait, how about the customers who buy it after all?
Well how about $120k+ for a raptor R
That bison is almost 120 grand in canda. Completely nuts. You can buy a raptor for way less and have three times the truck.. the bison colorado is almost 90 grand up here. Gm has lost its mind. Wait till the end of the year and gm will be discounting them heavily as there will be no buyers.
85k??? I can’t believe these prices 🤦🏻♂️
Come to Canada, over 100k here and one is sitting at my dealer sold. Crazy
As the Canadian economy gets worse a lot of those sold one will end up in the market because they can't afford the payments. @@northerntoyota7584
Yeah and Ford wants over $100k for a Raptor R and most F-150 XLT's are priced at $60k.
Dam get your money up. If it’s not in your budget don’t get it. Simple as that.
Driver error on the truck popping out of 4 high. You can't stomp on the gas on 4 low buddy. Hence 4 low.
bullcrap. That's a piss poor design and there's no excuse for it. I smell a class action lawsuit on people who take there vehicles over landing or anywhere "technical"
Fuck off, that's just plain piss poor design. Looks like I'm never buying a gm product again if that's gonna be a common issue with them
Right….. soooo $85k is FUCKING INSANE. I own a 2022 trail boss 6.2L custom trim level and even my truck was overpriced. I do love it but…. the cost of pick up trucks is fucking bizarre because we’re all idiots and we agreed to pay it.
GMC Pick-ups are better in design and probably in reliability.
Beautiful car and thanks for share 🙏🏼
The colors of the seats remind me of the cheap vinyl on uhauls. 😀
The seats on this sexy Chevy Silverado are the best SOOOOOO……..
Very impressive performance overall though. Seemed to make easy work of most of the hill.
Ryan, How does the real world highway mpg compare with the high performance versions of the Colorado/Canyon? 🤔
10:35 I was literally about to comment about how this time it finally stayed in 4wd, but nope. For regular models that t-case system would be fine, but for this most offroad oriented version seems silly to retain that instead of using a proper unit like Ford gives the option for.
It's something he's doing. He's the only tester to ever have this happen. I climbed a wicked switch back with 500 feet of elevation gain in 4wd low, 2 weeks ago, with zero issues.
I've got 60k miles on my Trailboss, it has thr same Tcase as this, never run into this problem and I have a lot of offroad time in mine.
@@terrencejones9817 I've heard of others, notably C&D last year during the first drive event.
@ALMX5DP I'll look for that. I've seen some serious off road challenges with these trucks, never this problem.
Aldo happened to Texas Truck channel on their AT4x.
Clutch based system has torque limitations that I think high rpm’s in the 6.2 combined with 4Lo gearing overwhelms. System probably detects clutch slippage and/or heat and disengages to avoid detonation.
This is where the Raptor HiLok tcase is far superior, increased Clamping force.
@@terrencejones9817 It is something he's doing. It says in the manual not to exceed 45 mph in 4-low. It's to protect the clutch in the t-case as well as prevent stupidity from breaking something up front if the diff is locked. It's the trade-off you have to deal with when it comes to IFS+front locker+automatic transfer case. Fortunately with the insanely low first gear that modern transmissions have, 4-high is far more capable than boomers assume that grew up with 3 or 4 speed transmissions and 4-low was absolutely critical for going up any decent grade in 4WD.
The reason at 12:59 when it understeered is because having the locker in it wont be able to turn as well because both back wheels turn at the same speed when locked and when you are turning normally your inner wheel turns slower than your outer wheel allowing for smooth turning.
Unless you specifically need front and rear lockers or are an ARB/Bison fanboy, just buy a trail boss, LTZ, or High Country z71 and put upgraded aftermarket shocks (King, Fox, etc) and Deaver leaf springs on it and save a ton of money. Look into the company Dirt King which makes many great bolt-on parts for the GM 1500's.
Did this to my loaded '16 LTZ and its an amazing truck.
I really like the ZR2 except for it switching out of 4Low. Ryan, what if you needed to continue that climb?
I'm sure it's a safety, although it's odd it goes to 2wd instead of 4hi. he was spinning the tires pretty good bringing up the engine rpm.
I own a 22, it's NEVER gone out of 4Low when I didn't want it to.
It's because for some reason he insists on intentionally leaving the diffs unlocked and instead does the old two-foot trick that guys with only open diffs have to use to climb hills. His right foot is applying >50% throttle and he's dragging the brakes with his left foot to try to send more power to the tires with the most grip. Car and Driver found out that when in 4lo, the computer is programmed to drop out of 4lo if it sees >50% throttle + brakes being applied. For some reason this clown insists on not using the features of the truck to off-road and is trying to 'old school' it. He did it here and he did the exact same thing in the Bison video when the group all engaged their lockers but he told GM's staff he was going to climb it without lockers and later made the passing comment that he was "two-footing it". Let the truck do its thing with the lockers activated, stop doing this r*tarded boomer two-footing sht.
lmao the comment made me laugh a lot, yeah I think if he did rear locker, 4HI, he'd have gotten right through, that's what I typically do for that stuff to keep the lugs clear for biting. But of course, crawling in 4LO with both lockers even in mud like that it typically just pulls right through lol@@hochhaul
@@kristoferfc6525 haha yea i had to vent after finally figuring out what he was doing to cause all these trucks to drop out of 4lo. to realize he's two-footing it instead of using the two selectable lockers we are here to see, and then throwing shade at GM for it dropping out of 4lo due to something he's doing.... it's just... I'm at a loss for words. Nobody is getting anything out of watching him try to get around in mud with open diffs. we're here to see how the features of the truck perform, not watch him do tricks with his feet🤦♂
Thanks for the review Ryan.
I look forward to watching them every week !
I’d be really surprised if the auto-switch to 2H happened in order to protect the clutch pack between the differentials. It probably thought that you’re on a standard road again and you just forgot to disengage 4L. Ryan, did you maybe get in touch with Chevy and asked them what’s the reason for the mode switch?
I talked to the engineers at the off-road event with the Colorado Bison and they “figured it was the protection algorithm.”
Thanks for the prompt reply! Wow, that’s really surprising!
Depending on the drive mode you select. The truck will shift itself out if 4WD low.
In the video you can hear the “ding” when it cuts out. I didn’t notice until a couple minutes later.
@@drivingsports My Trailboss owners manual says 4wd low is limited to 45mph. Perhaps your wheel speed exceeded that.
It’s annoying it changed out of 4LO but I guess I can understand why, as you mentioned maybe too much speed or maybe it sensed too much wheel speed and to protect the T Case it shut off? That would be my only guess. Great video!
Not sure why the default is set to go to 2wd instead of going to 4hi.
It's changing out of 4lo because for some reason he insists on intentionally leaving the diffs unlocked and instead does the old "two-foot" trick that guys with only open diffs have to use to climb hills. His right foot is applying >50% throttle and he's dragging the brakes with his left foot to try to send more power to the tires with the most grip. Car and Driver found out that when in 4lo, the computer is programmed to drop out of 4lo if it sees >50% throttle + brakes being applied. For some reason this clown insists on not using the features of the truck to off-road and is trying to 'old school' it. He did it here and he did the exact same thing in the Bison video when the group all engaged their lockers but he told GM's staff he was going to climb it without lockers and later made the passing comment that he was "two-footing it". Let the truck do its thing with the lockers activated, stop doing this r*tarded boomer two-footing sht.
Mmm, the stange thing is the firsts gear are alocated in the front side of the transmission, for that reason, a good practice its if you are climbing so much, always use the 4 low in high gearing if you want to keept a good speeed to keep the transfer and gearbox cool. Maybe the reason os for protect axels….., not sure
I think trail boss should have an AEV option as well, but obviously it would be with the 5.3 and would have a suspension other than what comes on the ZR2. But it would make the trail boss way more off-road capable for those who just want a normal off-road truck. Maybe even throw in a front locker option?
I'm still holding on to my 2022 chevy Silverado trail boss 6.2 i bought 2 months ago with 14500 miles on it for 40,000 cash in az but it does have a restored title it was passenger side hit every thing works great .
Wow! 40k cash? Why didn't you buy a brand new one without damage
Very good off-road truck. Great review as always. Greetings from Poland
Kategoria znane i lubiane przysłowia ludowe: Arka Gdynia…
Oh man!!! I want so bad to try that hill again in the mucky conditions!! Super cool just how much the surface changes on your course with different weather conditions. Cool review.
Like the truck but I don’t trust the GMs v8 with the AFM those engines could go bad at anytime and for 85k no thanks
Diesel bruh!
I've got 60k miles on my 19 Trailboss DFM 5.3L. No issues
Yeah, Consumer Reports and Edmonds rank the GM pickups as being the WORST in reliability and to avoid them.
That’s sad since Stillantis / Fiat Owns Chrysler, Dodge, Ram and Jeep.
@@terrencejones9817Those are rookie numbers buddy
@@Isaac-muntz compared to what?
If people know 4lo no matter what truck 4 lo has a speed limitation it don't matter what make.
It's also different based on the transfer case. Some transfer cases have clutches to engage 4lo and send power to the front axle. The ZR2 Silverado and Colorado both have a clutch in them, so there is a speed limit in the computer to prevent damage to the transfer case or possibly even the front locker if it is engaged. I don't know why this guy doesn't just use 4-Hi, it was obvious when he started using 4-hi that 4-lo was unnecessary if not worse. It has a 10 speed with a 4.70 first gear, it doesn't need the gear reduction of 4-lo.
If this guy knew how to off road he would be dangerous. He never even used the front locker because he had to be in 4lo and he couldn't spin the tires because of the clutches kicking him out due to spinnin the tires at 40 plus mph in 4lo. The whole idea is to keep traction not to break it for no reason. He really needs to watch other reviews and see how completely opposite his ideas of what to do is from let's say Truck King or TFL TRUCK. This guy's is tbh a walking contradiction of off road know how.
@Newguy56 it turns out he was using an old timer trick used with open diffs and was dragging the brakes as he gas it gas. Instead of using the lockers as they were intended to be used, he left them unlocked and instead dragged the brakes to control wheel slip. The only problem is that the computer was programmed to disengage 4LO when it detects greater than 50% brake application. That was the cause of the wheel slip and 4LO disengaging the whole time. Really, it was a dumb way to review trucks. Instead of showing how the features were designed to help offroad, he decides he's going to drive it like an old school 70's truck with an open diff. It shows us nothing about the real capability and confuses everyone watching the video when he causes the truck to intervene and act strange.
I live in the desert and take out my ZR two offering all the time up and down hills and it’s never shipped it out of four-wheel-drive to Chulo Jazelle me ever
Need some Crosstrek wilderness mud testing asap! Great video love the channel
Silverado es Silverado el poder américano haciendo historia
.. Que belleza de Camioneta 😍
33.2 inch tyres in 18 inch wheels. If the tyres size gonna stay the same after further modifications too. I'm gonna opt for 17 inch wheels 275/70 R17(33.16). I preferred mechanical lever for 2H, 4H and 4L. It's so satisfying cuz you're putting in the drive mode and not asking the vehicle to be in that particular drive mode.
I don't believe that 17" wheels have enough space to clear the brake calipers on the 2019+ trucks. The 2014-19's were the last GM fullsize trucks that would fit 17" wheels.
Impressive truck with a ridiculous price. Side note: if you're not a truck guy you shouldn't be the guy testing trucks. You don't do it justice
Compared to what? The regular F-150 XLT's and Ram Big Horns priced at over $60k?
@@hochhaul They are all priced too high these days. I'd love to have the truck but no one with a net worth below 1m can justify spending 70k+ on something that will depreciate to 20k in 7 or 8 years. At this rate, in 8 years a well equipped truck will be 100k
You can get them for 73k now. I think that hill could've been made by engaging both lockers-it's amazing what happens when they are both set. Awesome truck-I'm close to pulling the trigger-just can't decide on the engine...
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Nice video and nice but expensive truck. Just the sound seems a bit off. Maybe its my setup but especially in the first 5 minutes the music overlays the voice a bit too much. Keep up the good content! Really enjoy it.😊
The music is dropped by 30 dB versus The Voice. Which is even more than we normally drop the music. It could be related to your set up, but will definitely keep an eye on that in future episodes.
I love it when he slips up and his brain forgets he is trying to sound poncy, and he actually says BUTTON, and not BUT-TON.
They aren't mud terrains. They are " maximum traction " All terrains.
Why do they combined front locker with rear? I get that if you’re locking the fronts, you probably want the rear too. But if you already have a dedicated button for the rear locker, why not just a separate button for the front, exclusively?
replay when he goes over the buttons. He presses the rear lock button and the button lights up, than he presses the front and rear lock button and the rear only lock button goes out. It is setup so anytime you lock the front, the rear will lock as well. They give you the rear only lock button for the times that is all you want.
To keep stupid people from trying to drive around with the rear unlocked but the front locked. They have basically decided to use the computers to prevent stupid people from breaking their truck by making poor decisions.
Why does it seem you only test GM trucks on the ladder when the course is at its worse conditions? LOL!
And why did you remove the bed cover to do the off-road testing?
Transported a motorcycle to location in the bed. Luck, it seems, hasn’t been on GMs side.
$85k?! Sheeeeesh
4-lo is only for rock crawling and slow speed no wheel spin situations. In this mud you should have only been in 4-hi as driving in 4-lo with that much wheel speed will destroy the transfer case, and for every vehicle with 4-lo as well.
the computer is smart enough not to let that happen, hence why it switches to 4 high.
Very good off-road truck.)
Found my dad's window sticker for his 2010 Chevrolet Z71 4x4 extended cab(rear suicide door), with the 5.3L V8 and premium interior package as well as a bed liner...etc etc. . . . $36,000.
These car companies have absolutely lost their minds tagging these trucks north of $60,000.
Especially since half the stuff they put on a truck now is completely unnecessary... air conditioned seats? Reclining rear seats? Heated seats for everyone(except that smart cowboy in the back seat). Ridiculous!
I'd agree, but they seem to sell plenty of them. It just makes it impossible for those of us with budgets to actually do so.
Well remember that the price/percentage difference between that $36k model and a $60k model today is similar to what a 1997 model was (~$21-22k) versus the 2010 model. Were people in 2010 saying similar about how OEMs have lost their minds?
@FlowStateNewOrleans 💯!! I don't know who is buying them, but like you said, those of us living life on a budget sure aren't. I refuse to pay over $325 a month for a vehicle. And I honestly prefer to keep it around $275. My motto: If I can't afford all this stuff on minimum wage, then I'm paying too much for it! Sad thing is it is getting harder to afford anything at that level, even if you are trying to pay for it the right way and put money back into savings for it.
But that's OK, the shareholders are all doing just fine. 👌🙄😒
@ALMX5DP BUT...there is one huge difference here:
In 1997 the Federal Minimum Wage was $5.15. In 2010 that had been raised 41% to $7.25. The price of that new $25,000 truck from 1997 to 2010 had risen at the same rate of roughly 41 percent. That 2010 truck at $36,000 though, has risen 67% to $60,000+ today, while the Federal Minimum Wage since 2010 has risen ZERO percent.
@@dennisveazey4469 I referenced the similarities between $22k/36k versus $36k/60k. And the increase in minimum wage is a completely separate issue to product cost and pricing.
Hey Ryan,is there a tow mirrors option package on this Silverado 1500?.
I'd like to see "python pass" in the raptor using turn assist , I don't think you used turn assist in your raptor videos
If that’s the case on the 4low and high RPM wonder why they don’t have 4Lo fail to 4Hi vs all the way down to 2wd? I’m not an off-road 4wd expert but I assume it could be programmed that way ??
Another great video review. Love the truck but not for $85k 😂
It isn't "failing" into 2wd. It's because for some reason he insists on intentionally leaving the diffs unlocked and instead does the old two-foot trick that guys with only open diffs have to use to climb hills. His right foot is applying >50% throttle and he's dragging the brakes with his left foot to try to send more power to the tires with the most grip. Car and Driver found out that when in 4lo, the computer is programmed to drop out of 4lo if it sees >50% throttle + brakes being applied. For some reason this clown insists on not using the features of the truck to off-road and is trying to 'old school' it. He did it here and he did the exact same thing in the Bison video when the group all engaged their lockers but he told GM's staff he was going to climb it without lockers and later made the passing comment that he was "two-footing it". Let the truck do its thing with the lockers activated, stop doing this r*tarded boomer two-footing sht.
8:20 it shows F+R lockers engaged which you didn't mention at the beginning.
Sorry, didn’t notice that in the shot. We filmed that completely separate time and just inserted it into that moment. Instead, follow what I said on camera that would be more accurate.
you gotta defeat traction control all the way too otherwise the ESC cuts in too much on you, I get through tons of gnarly mud like that all the time, on a hill, but I have a KM3 I really can't call the GoodYears Mud Terrains because they same design used to be called Max Traction
Would love to see a Disco on that hill
MPGs driving from the West side to Eberg?
We were towing an empty trailer, so the MPGs weren’t comparable to any of our other tests over the pass.
I didn’t realize the jumping out of 4 wheel drive was a constant thing. My 03 Z71 did that last week and I thought I broke the diff when it jumped in 2 wheel. Do they still use the G80 lockers?
They use G80 lockers on standard Silverados and Sierras yet. The ZR2 Colorado and Silverado use the Eaton E-locker. The reason it's kicking out of 4-low is because the manual says not to exceed 45 MPH in 4-low. He's pinning it in 4-low and to protect the clutch in the transfer case, it eventually shifts into 2wd. For his driving style he really only needs 4-hi. With the extra low 4.70 1st gear that the 10-speed has, GM is letting the transmission do the gear reduction instead of the ancient way of using the transfer case make up for what the transmissions couldn't do 30 years ago when everything was still a 4-speed and 1st gear might only be an relatively tall 2.52. Some boomers can't comprehend how much of the gear reduction has been shifted to the transmission, hence taller axle ratios.
@@hochhaul cool thanks for the info!
Interesting they chose all time 4wd… I wonder what their thought process was on that
Ryan bro I´d like a lot this trucks, they´re beautiful, they´re lovely I would like to testing one of them for a while, maybe one day of these.
4 Low is for low speed usage in the first place, not sure why everything thinks they need to use it every time they go offroad...it only multiplies the engine's torque output, it don't give you any better offroad capability....unless you are crawling, there's no need for low range offroad...many older 4WD systems were geared lower so you would be pretty close to red line on the engine around 30-35mph, and it was screaming by then anyhow.
The clutch based 4WD systems aren't the greatest, and there's always gonna be some slippage somewhere in extreme conditions. If these automakers had any sort of brains they'd just go with a mechanical open center diff for the full time 4WD setting and dump the clutch based systems...a bit more expensive up front, but it'll not let you down when you need it. The NV242 "Selec'Trac" transfer case in the Jeep XJ, ZJ, WJ, and a few of the KJ's had the option, which gave you both full time and part time 4WD, low range and 2WD, without any electronics and without clutches. Better go back to that system, it was much more reliable...a beefed up version for today's higher output engines and you'd be set.
EXACTLY. Some guys really are oblivious to how differently modern trucks are designed compared to trucks from 30 years ago. 4-low was important for offroading 30 years ago when all trucks had 4-speeds with a 1st gear in 2.xx range (a GM TH400 had a 2.48 for first gear). Guys actually needed 4-low to climb hills back then. The 10-speed has a 4.70 for a 1st gear. Engineers have moved the work of gear reduction away from the axle and transfer case to the transmission itself. For climbing hills in a modern truck, 4-high is a better choice.
Would’ve been heaps easier if you let your tire pressures down and you won’t chew up the track so much
How does it compare to the Ford Ranger you've had, regarding these same conditions?
The Ranger has a shorter wheelbase and never drops out of 4Lo.
I'd buy one if it came with a 20 year bumber to bumper warranty
I rather get it with the diesel. It’s the way to go. Better mpg than the Colorado
Totally, though always be cognizant of the actual differences in cost per mile in terms of fuel and overall cost of ownership and not just mpg.
@@ALMX5DP true, but I still think it’s worth it. I got the oil change package and extended warranty with my 2020 Silverado with the duramax and I couldn’t be happier.
If you’re looking for mpg in a truck, then maybe a truck isn’t for you. Get a Prius
@@joshtaylor1416 haha really? That’s ignorant AF
@@fikes73 lol maybe to you.
Maximum traction not mud terrain.
You think this interior will transfer to the Tahoe refresh?
Probably.
I want to tell you that I got a trouble with my laptop, I would like to have a new one but for thishis moment I can´t buying a new. Anyway thanks.
85k and no locking gas cap ! And the Toyota comment about no full time 4x4 they do that to not tear up the transmission. Why would you need full time to just drive on dry and smooth roads.
Looking at the same truck but with the baby diesel.
I'm looking forward to seeing you doing overland videos, I like your long time videos!!!
i want to say that I´d like more Chevy trucks than Ford or Toyota maybe for its reliability and for its characteristics like infotainment and exterior appearance.
Terrible "smart" protection on this GM truck. why does it keep disengaging?
Im either getting the new Toyota Prado or Ford Timberline.
No, the problem isn't the truck, it's the 80iq dunce behind the wheel that thinks it's the 1980's and you need 4-lo to make up for the tall gear ratios in 4-speed transmission. It's 2023, the truck has a 10-speed with a 4.70 first gear. This isn't a truck with a TH400 and a 2.48 first gear. You don't need 4-lo to climb muddy hills in 2023. The owners manually literally states that there is a speed limit for 4lo and that it will disengage if driven too fast. He has done this in multiple videos driving all kinds of GM trucks but for some reason he has never bothered to figure out what he's doing wrong.
@@hochhaul you sure he is exceeding the speed limit?
He showed 4L auto switching to 2WD while he was not doing anything.
Plus it is general off-road knowledge that low gears require low speed (around 40mph), otherwise you damage it. Is that different for modern GM/all trucks?
Where I live, if a vehicle is stuck in sand dunes, we crawl out by deflating tires to 14 PSI, switch to 4L, keep at low RPM while turning the wheel left and right.
@@Moon222 The computer is looking at throttle position. Car and Driver caused the same thing to happen. This clown likes to try to climb hills without the rear locker locked and is, without a doubt, doing the old two-foot trick that guys with open diffs have to do to send power to the wheel with grip. He has his right foot applying >50% throttle and he's dragging the brake with the left to see if he can climb without engaging the rear locker. GM's computer guys programmed it so that if more than 50% throttle is commanded and the brakes are applied while in 40lo, it will disengage 4lo. He was doing the exact same r*tarded shit in the Colorado Bison. The whole group of Bisons were climbing fine while he boasted to the attendees that he was going to climb the hill without the lockers and while trying out terrain made in 4lo he said he was "two-footing it". Since it's a clutch based transfer case, too much throttle and brake can cause excessive wear that the engineers are trying to protect against.
Honestly, this whole unsolicited switching out of 4Low into 2WD business is a potential safety hazard. What if all this happened while you are on that muddy surface but instead of a relatively gentle hill, there is shelf road like couple hundred feet vertical drop on the left? Truck starts sliding to the left and you are desperately trying to keep it on the shelf road and because of the high stress situation you don’t even notice that you are not in 4WD anymore? That could lead to disaster.
No, the safety hazard is that he didn't bother to learn how the 4WD system works in GM trucks. He makes that painfully obvious every time he drives a ZR2 Silverado or a ZR2 Bison Colorado because he always uses the various modes incorrectly, causing the computer to have to intervene and drop it out of 4lo. In this case, in the mode he's in, the manual says it will drop out of 4lo if the computer senses excessive wheel speed. For his driving style, he would be better off in 4Hi with the rear diff locked.
Hmm. Ok. I didn’t know this behavior was expected and included in the manual. If this is indeed in the manual then I agree with you.
These electronic parking brakes are super annoying...
I guess I didn’t follow the scenarios but he mentioned thinking he was turning on the parking brake and it turned it off so does it auto set the parking brake? Is that a setting?
I have a 17’ Colorado with a foot parking brake (sloped driveway) I set the brake and go to park , when I turn it off I go to gear first and then release the brake (first on last off). I assume that’s how he’s using it?
He makes that painfully obvious every time he drives a ZR2 Silverado or a ZR2 Bison Colorado because he always uses the various modes incorrectly, causing the computer to have to intervene and drop it out of 4lo. In this case, in the mode he's in, the manual says it will drop out of 4lo if the computer senses excessive wheel speed. For his driving style, he would be better off in 4Hi with the rear diff locked.
I agree. He's a subbie fanboy... While I admittedly don't know that much about this truck but my thoughts are if you get kicked out 4low, the system should switch to 4 high...ending up in 2 wheel drive seems kinda crazy and dangerous really...@@hochhaul
@@kevinstarski1598 It can't switch to 4hi from 4lo while he's driving though. To accomplish that, it would have to force the truck to stop before disengaging low range and locking in 4hi.
Wait, does Chevy have no ability to vary the clutch engagement? If you look at say, an F-150 with a 4A mode, there's a clutch engagement % that corresponds to F/R power split.
Chevy also has an auto mode. Even my 2011 z71 has auto 4x4. It acts like an awd system similar to a Subaru
$85k, I just don't know what to say about it?
Chinese vehicles will be in the U.S.A in a few years.
I need Ford f150 raptor R and Ram TRX
No thanks I like the power wagon, wrangler, and gladiator.
So, you are saying that Toyota is A LOT MUCH REALIABLE than these other trucks, right?
Ps there is absolutely no reason for you to turn on the parking brake, unless you are parking it on the hill for a long period of time.
@@hochhaul the computer might not let him without shifting into neutral.
85k id just get a raptor at that point
Ford wants $60k for a regular F-150 XLT and almost every engine they use in the F-150 uses a rubber belt to turn the oil pump and requires pulling the timing chain to replace.... and those belts look like sht at 100k miles.
Overuse of 4 auto can shorten and/or destroy the TCASE...this is why I think Toyota does not offer this. Nice color of blue. 4lo disengagement is pretty crappy. I think that's annoying.
You whole way of thinking about intentionally spinning your tires is absolutely ridiculous. Just because you think it should be able to do it doesnt mean it is supposed to. 4 low is for crawling / climbing. 4 hi is for snow and higher speeds. Anyone who knows how to drive off road cringes watching you floor it in 4low "just to clean the tires." Watch Truck King as slow as possible as fast as necessary. Watch TFL TRUCK. Ive said it before you have absolutely no clue what you are doing Ryan.
"proper overlanding machine"...It's wheelbase says otherwise.
Driver error! Truck protected it's self and your owner's pocket.
It’s an issue unique to Chevy. Read this: www.caranddriver.com/features/a39850302/chevy-silverado-zr2-4wd-off-mystery/
Median household income in the US $75k….
And Ford XLT's and Ram Big Horns are sitting on lots with $60k MSRP's. Welcome to Bidenomics.
85k to do what a 10k jeep can do with some bolt one? #hardpass…..and I won’t cry when a branch “scratches” my pristine paint
It might be different where you live, but all the $10k wranglers around here have huge rusted out holes in the floor pan, the frame rust rotted away like a 5 year old Tacoma, and the suspension is so shot that it death wobbles every time you hit a hairline crack in the pavement.
Sweet truck but not worth the price tag...
There's just too much mud.
I cannot believe the trail biss did not get a rear electronic locker. Women need to stop designing these things. Go back to shoes.
Peepee
Come on!
That trail is weak ass! 🙄
Bring it to Moab Utah and test it here. You’ll get a much accurate capability test
I was surprised there aren't more comments like this. This is the most basic of basic trails. His "boulders" are pebbles.
Most people could need afford to get four new tires on this truck. 85k? Good luck with that
paddle shift pick up truck....what,no grande macchiato with two shots of vanilla?