2023 Honda Pilot TrailSport vs. Off-Road Test Course
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- We put the new 2023 Honda Pilot TrailSport's off-road capabilites to the test! Can it conquer our Mountain Test Course?
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Love this channel because Ryan does not stop after one initial review. You can usually find 2-3 videos for every car in different scenarios&seasons.
Love getting your boy in on it! He did great!
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I see so many 4Runners that rarely touch any dirt. This Pilot would handle more than enough for the vast majority of people. I'm excited for an updated Passport Trail Sport with the 10 speed auto.
You would see a lot more 4Runners touching dirt if they were priced at half what they are now. Taking a $50,000 vehicle through rock and dirt and possibly causing all kinds of exterior damage just for a little thrill really isn’t worth it. I just think people like the idea that their vehicle is capable of doing it.
@@sammyjammy6647 I totally agree!! The prices are all insane now. I wish I would have bought an SUV about 5 years ago.
@@sammyjammy6647 Yeah, just give me a stripped down, no frills, real SUV for about $28 grand.
@@chuckwalla2967 well there is a rumor of a mini LandCruiser coming out a year from now priced at that 28 grand
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So I’ve been watching your videos for years and you always start off in normal mode until the system gets stressed. I think it’s much better when you do that
Noted. Thanks for the feedback.
Of course! Keep making awesome videos, I’ve learned so much from how you explain things about the vehicles you test.
@drivingsports great review
If i gonna choose between 2 cars for such dirty roads , which is more capable, this honda pilot trailsport vs the volvo xc90 t6 ?
And i have no other choice than those two cars ..
Which is more solid and durable for dirty roads , without overheating , with strong suspension
Please advice
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@amrashraf9559 I would say the Honda, only Toyota is better for reliability. When Volvo were owned by Ford they were good, but they are owned by Geely now.
I've been Off-Roading hard-core for over 20 years & I do gotta say this is impressive for a family vehicle. Ryan hit it on the head when he said to throw some Mickey's or Wikdpeaks on the Pilot. I'd make some personal modifications but overall pretty good. Good job Honda
I like that Honda is keeping the V6. There are so many 4cyl-turbo's. Well done, I like the Passport and Pilot.
It did quite well if Honda could give it a little more ground clearance, they would really have something.
and less plastic on that nose and tail., i.e., less overhangs
The chassis is mainly designed for road use so lifting it up would just add degree to the cv axle and also lose down travel in suspension.
@@evoemperor3776 If Subaru found a way to deliver, so could Honda.
What about getting a lift kit? I found one of these for just 47.6K. It might be better with 3K of lift and tires than most Jeeps (Grand Cherokee/Compass) and more luxurious than say a Bronco?
@@Ruddline Manufacturers use lift kits as an excuse to void the warranty.
Ryan, I appreciate your son doing part of the review. Break him in for the future.
My fingers are crossed that the 2024 Passport Trailsport will be equipped like this and not just a badge.
2025
I cannot find a bit of information about a 2024 passport. I’ve looked every week for months. Are they not updating it yet? If they updated the tech and style like this pilot, I would definitely buy!
@@adameblena lot of sources say there is a future one being developed. I’d guess sometime next year they’ll announce it.
@@davewilson7602 oh ok, Thanks. So you think the 2024 model will be the exact same as last year? Same infotainment?
I am currently driving the passport trailsport. It's a great SUV. Cool, fast, and comfy.
We love our Trailsport. A small lift and a little more aggressive tire make for an amazing family hauler.
Did you get the Passport or Pilot? I never understand why the Passport is rated so highly and the Pilot is not
@@luperamos7307 we have the 23 pilot trailsport.
Traxda needs to hurry with their next-gen Pilot offerings. Their last gen Pilot and Passport kits, axle relocator, and rock sliders are fantastic - this model Pilot needs the same to complete it.
Awesome functional review as always Ryan, and awesome co-host you’ve got with you!
The young guy did a great job with the tire and wheel info. Won't be long before he'll be doing the test drives. Eh. From Toronto Canada
Thanks for another great review. Just got a 24 TS & I can’t wait to see another review in winter conditions or on the Olympic peninsula property.
The Pilots have (always) been easy to lift by upto 3 inches. I would recommend the 1.5 - 2 inch lift with zero issues, there are tons of videos out there. This is an easy 10 inch ground clearance car.
Just like every everything else, traction.
As far as factory setup goes, the Pilot did awesome. More than most people will ever put their vehicle through in its lifetime. 👍
Looking forward to the Ridgeline version
Excited to see what they will do for the next gen Ridgeline. I love how uanda has basically taken the top for AWD off-road crossovers. Super practical and almost as capable as (suspension and ruggedness) midsize body on frame.
Thanks Ryan! Been waiting for this review.
Your son's lisp is EXACTLY like mine was at his age. Check with the dentist to get braces. As soon as they got me braces, my lisp disappeared (parents and speech therapists swore i was failing to spread my tongue out and create the S sound correctly, when it was just I have a wide bite and I had tiny gaps in-between my teeth that made the sound nearly impossible).
Cool kid, brave to do this when he has a lisp. You're a great dad, man, because he obviously trusts you. I hope he gets it fixed, it was a huge morale and confidence boost for me when I got rid of it in freshman year HS. Then I started getting girlfriends and working out thanks to that.
Great video, too.
How do you feel about the size of the driver area vs the outgoing Pilot/Passport/Ridgeline driver's area? I sat in this model and it felt smaller for me, but I gained 70 lbs over [Co]Vid so my 42" jeaned butt didn't enjoy the Pilot, but the Passport felt so comfy and roomy.
@1:00 - Anything updated to that 3.5V6? Both my friends got the fuel injector issues with their 3Gen Pilots and looks like Honda is covering for 120K miles or something per the letter. Any design change to fix the issue? Wish they have dual injection to avoid the issue. Wish they use Timing chain also, not timing belt.
@1:08 - 10 speed auto is a very welcome change as I believe its from Honda vs the ZF9. But electronic shifter is little concerning since food and drinks are near by.
@1:17 - I see a Tow mode, does that mean now the Pilot can tow 5000lbs without aftermarket ATF cooler. Till 2022 it needed a aftermarket ATF cooler to tow over 3500lbs per the owners manual.
@1:56 - I’m so glad Pilot (atleast the Trail sport) has good ground clearance, 8+ clearance like competitors like regular Highlander, etc..
@2:01 Love the new star in the video. Very clear information. Very WELDONE...!! (Really saying that.)
@13:24 I think this is excellent for AWD, maybe even better than Subaru? But $50500 sure is a steep price tag approaching 4Runner TRD Pro territory.
BTW, I wonder that removable 8 seat is available on TrailSport? A very nice feature to have imo.
Another great test, nice to see your son helping you out. Could be the future TFL father and son Channel.
Glad that Honda still keeping legendary long-lasting V6 engine rather than turbo😊😊😊
Let's see the ford explorer timberline on the test course while it's dry
I hope you get another chance to test out the system in snow/icy conditions
Im actually very impressed!! Never thought I’d say that but Honda has finally got an AWD that’s worth a damn. Detailed and thorough reviews as always Ryan….. keep it up! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
The AWD is definitely better than it used to be, but did you notice when he was getting bogged down in the soft dirt, the system was not transferring power to the rear wheel we could see...
@@alsheremeta I did notice that. However, it’s a far cry from the epic failures Hondas have had previously on Ryan’s courses
Did I detect an alteration in your start up montage? 🤔 Your "ladder" (I would've called the slip n slide lol) I really like as the addition to the course. I like you pushing these things on it and giving them the hard tests. Cool stuff! And a shout out to your newest camera helper. He did a good job. :)
Regarding naming... all the other routes are Snakes... so...
@@drivingsports once again - get the young man paid! :))))
@@drivingsports It's good the theme. I just thought the ladder was acting more like a slide. lol. Like Wild Waves. :) 🌊
I just drove to Dingford Gate in a Hyundai Tucson today. That was quite a test. Can't wait to finally upgrade to something more capable in the next couple of years.
Been waiting for sometime wondering when the new Pilot would get a chance on your trail.
Now I am curious if letting the air down would have helped on the incline…..
Thanks and great real world off-road review.
Yessssss! The video I've been waiting for. Do 4 runner vs pilot!
like a 50K range Pilot Trail Sport vs 4Runner TRD Pro? That would be awesome to see since both come with dirt friendly tires vs a 40K 4Runner SR5 with street tires.
Pilot for amazing daily driving and comfort. Plus amazing drivetrain.
4Runner for rock crawling and deep mud. I wish 4Runners were not so lethargic to drive. Engine and trans is so slow and lazy. Lots of body roll too.
The Baja Boss AT is still king of those hills. Love the review Ryan!
I can't wait to see your 2024 chevy traverse z71 review. I just want to see if it's worthy of the badge or if it's only made for a dirt roads
After you reach the mid spot, you should have switched to trail from sand again. In sand mode, it’s just spinning the front wheel. So it’s on you… it could have made it through for sure. I have elite
Good showing from the Pilot. I feel like, if anything, they can take punishment and not penalize you. I have a Ford and after trying to tackle a snowy hill the power take-up (transfer?) unit overheated and I had to wait for it to cool down. Failing is one thing, but failing without any sort of mechanical punishment is even harder.
Interesting to see that the rear driver stops spinning after a few rotations. I thought sand was supposed to be agressive with wheel spin. Perhaps using trail and just disabling the TC would yield better results as long as the rear 'locks' like its supposed to. On my PP, you can really feel it 'lock' on sand so Im confused that it didnt on the incline.
Been waiting for this one but you should of lowered the tire pressure down like you did with the 4runner.
Thanks for this new Pilot trailsport review! Looking forward to Honda offering a new Passport/Ridgeline Trailsport!
Also would be nice if Honda offered a 2400 watt inverter like the upcoming Tacoma/Landcruiser- would make for a great camping setup!
A set of TA K02s and you'd be fine. I saw a Pilot sunk in the mud get out with KO2s. Theyre actually decent offroaders with the right tires.
Honestly, that last obstacle in that condition would have stump any 4Runner, Jeep and what not unless they were modified with big dirt tires and a lot of clearance.
True. Tires make a huge difference.
I'm back! I have my Driving Sports cap on and I am ready to go! OK. As an owner of a Honda CRV I am always interested in reviews of Honda products. With this video I was impressed by the fact that Ryan doesn't take us to the extreme. He takes us to trails and roads that 99% of us would use. Extreme 4x4 is not my style. I am, also, amazed at the trails he has created, on his own property. It is a much better illustration of how I might want to test my ride. I do think, however, he should give his assistant a raise. Just sayin'! We all know that when Ryan says, "No problem," we need to pay close attention to what he is addressing. More times than not it is of benefit to us would be over-the-road adventurers. I would give this video a 9.965, mainly because I don't thing he gives any kudos the his assistant!
I like it! I have a Passport and l am thinking about upgrading to the Trail Sport. WOuld be interested to see the Explorer Timberline and Pathfinder Rock Creek take on the big hill. Both have better tires.
So I think as far as cross overs go, this is the best stock off roader in the market? Also, people shy away from full-time 4x4 like a forerunner because you don't want to spend 80% more fuel for 10% of the bit of adventurous off roading you'd end up doing and with all the sluggishness that comes with it. That last hurdle is tough and you'd need momentum even with a jeep wrangler but I think if you just deflated the tires like what TFL channel guys did you'd climb right over. From the second test onwards it has already passed "actual off roading scenario" and not just soft roading, if by off roading we mean getting to a difficult spot, as opposed to being the aim.
Thanks for the thorough testing already got the car but was waiting for this nonetheless 😂 excellent "everything car"!!
So a Pilot with deflated tires will 'climb right over' while a Rubicon with inflated tires need momentum ???? I know low tire pressure is important for off-roading but let's be realistic 😂.
@@Rich-xq3uv those two statements can both be true 😉
Just for the fun of thinking outside the box...what if for the last sand hill. You used sport mode or tow mode and playing with the traction control button? I'm almost surely wrong but i don't see why those two modes can also move torque around (sport mode) or send even more to the back while being more aggressive. I noticed the rear left wasn't spinning and maybe those modes could actually give a small boost in power, just enough to see if that wheel moving could give you just the bump you need.
Is the IVT4 system a renamed version of Acuras SH-AWD system? But i do agree...real AT or MT tires would've made a difference in that last trail. Thanks for the video!
I really wish Honda would bring back the Element badge and make a true competitor to the Wrangler, Bronco, and Land Cruiser. They really need something to add to their lineup, as well as Acura's, now that the Lexus GX is reborn.I do also have to say that the Pilot looks amazing in the wild. It just fits its styling so well.
That's probably how the new ridgeline is gonna look, as far as the front end. Hopefully they give the ridgeline a 2 inch lift.
@@paultruesdale7680 if you're concerned for a truck is primarily it's gas and you are not concerned with getting down a nasty dirt road and not being able to get down a nasty dirt road without damaging your ride. Then what you probably actually need is a nice minivan. They should have a nice ride be more efficient. Their truck is too confidently and effectively or "safely" use going down a nasty dirt road. Which would probably be a primary concern of a four-wheel drive or all-wheel drive truck. The Ridgeline needs At least a two-inch lift.
@paultruesdale7680 if you're concerned for a truck is primarily it's gas and you are not concerned with getting down a nasty dirt road and not being able to get down a nasty dirt road without damaging your ride. Then what you probably actually need is a nice minivan. They should have a nice ride be more efficient. Their truck is too confidently and effectively or "safely" use going down a nasty dirt road. Which would probably be a primary concern of a four-wheel drive or all-wheel drive truck. The Ridgeline needs At least a two-inch lift.
Most Ridgelines will never see off road so it’s not worth losing fuel economy for the sake of off road chops.
Its biggest problem is the low crawl ratio.
It’s a very nice light duty truck.
Time for the OBW on new course!
Why did you stop doing the thing where you see if you can lay down in the back? That was always quite interesting to see, as time went on you could really get a good reference for size based on you doing that.
This wasn't a full review. We do it on the main reviews. There's a separate review we did on this one linked in the video.
Wonderful review ❤
Great video. If Honda were smart, they'd make a version (maybe the only version) of the next Odyssey a trailsport model, with an all rubber floor. I'm not kidding. The adventure minivan.
Very nice review !
Hey Ryan, cool video as always! Do you think a Forester Wilderness could get up the ladder stock? Also, was that your kid? It's nice to see him helping you out.
Yup, that’s one of my kids. I don’t think a forester could get up now that the hillside is churned up.
@@drivingsports Yea probably not. I think you brought the bronco sport heritage up the ladder and if I remember correctly it couldn't do it either. I guess you need a vehicle with at least a two speed transfer case.
Would love to see an expedition timberline out there. Any vehicle without a two speed transfer case is mostly cladding and badging.
the ultimate costco run machine, with all terrains to traverse through the crumbs of chips left over by children in the parking lot.
How many times do popes make this stupid joke? Yeah and 99.9% of people use it for that. If you want something different go buy it. Why TF would they make this for Moab when that isn't what the people buy it for? So stupid.
What’s your dream SUV, which you approve of, please let me know as i will research it to purchase. thanks
What’s your dream suv which you approve of, please let me know as i will research it to purchase, thanks
@@EarthEncountersTravel Toyota grand highlander. But it’d be easier for families to manage in a minivan, so Toyota sienna.
Very impressive AWD system plus a nice V6 and a real transmission. Great SUV.
The outside video shows the front tires spinning with nothing at the rear, suggesting it needs to transfer more power to the rear.
Ryan, how do you think it would do towing 5k? Would it do ok?
The rear end looks very similar to the previous gen Ford Everest(based on the Ranger pick-up truck).
This Honda passport transport off road all terrain edition looks sturdy and beautiful with a 3.5 l 10-speed automatic transmission all-wheel drive making 285 262 pound-feet of torque with IVTm4 system intelligent variable torque I think this super vehicle
Your cameraman did wondefully:)) ..
Can u test a Toyota grandhighlander awd system!?? The base one with 2.4 turbo
Do you think it would’ve made it up the hill if tire pressures are in single digit?
could you please get to this trail A Ford Edge ST with 2.7 engine? it's a very popular crossover and very interesting how capable he is
I like your off road test , i wanna see the mitsubishi Outlander phev kick off road.
Very impressive!
Two different classes of vehicle but which would do better the Pilot or an Outback Wilderness in this scenario?
Better hill descent control and TC (trail mode) than Subaru. Great Job Honda! Now they just need another inch of ground clearance to compete with the Wilderness models.
Any chance you could get an Ascent on this course Ryan?
I would LOVE to see how a Subaru Forester Wilderness does on the super-steep course. Based on how easily it conquered Sarah-n-Tuned's test hill, I believe the Wilderness would prevail.
Is this the same course you test the Crosstrek Wilderness
New pilot is great! Are they going to update Passport in nearest future?
I'm really considering a Honda Pilot, if l'm honest with myself this is all the SUV need. love the fact that it doesn't have a Turbo and rather has a V6 NA which equals reliability. And also, lI'm not sure if I would be comfortable rock climbing with my brand new 60K off-road truck/SUV so who am kidding. If really want to go off-roading would just buy a Honda SXS or a Polaris and tow it with my super comfortable Honda Pilot
Great review as usual! Were it me however, I would grade out all that loose sand and dirt and pack it down with gravel.
But then how would you show/test how the car does on dry loose slippery dirt? 😅🙂
Almost time for the snow
That skid plate is open design and very easy to stuck mud or some can caught there. 😂
We have an Elite and now I just want a Trailsport for myself 😂😂😂
Can you get your hands on a 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk 4xe and take it on ur course. Thanks. I like your work
At 1:46 thats a huge clump of dirt stuck up in the skid plate given the rest looks pretty dang clean still.
That's how it arrived. Note the mud on the spare tire too.
Honda has really nailed it with their latest AWD tech. Regardless - traditional 4WD with 4Lo and Lockers is going to do better. Still - hoping they update the Passport Trailsport with this latest Tech.
even an inch more of ground clearance would make it better. pilot is ringing the right bells
Can’t believe the Canadian trail sport does not come with the trail camera feature. Honda Canada needs to correct that oversight next year if not sooner.
Would be good to use this hill (12m30sec) for other AWD vehicle testing - will provide a good comparison between vehicles. For the rest, great work as always.
That’s why we built it. But unfortunately, it’s only consistent during the summer - right now it’s covered in snow and mud.
When will you be doing a Lexus GX 550 review in the trail?
Looking forward for Father son duo
Honda, and Acura, AWD systems are some of the best. Theyre issue is that theyre so conservative as a company that stops them from competing. I think that it’s great the Trailsport models are getting better but theyre still far away for being taken seriously by a lot of people. I’m also kind of surprised that there’s been ZERO word on the new gen Passport or Ridgeline. Theyre heavy due for an update at this point. Which is mind blowing because Honda is just losing money since both are huge markets.
Hondas intention was to make a model to appeal to people who didn’t want low profile 20’s plus on their vehicles. They wanted something to hit pot hikes and not worry about curbing wheels. They also wanted something off road looking just for something rugged looking and not wimpy looking. None of the buyers are looking to take them rock crawling. Honda knows that.
The reviewers are the ones who are pushing for off-road to improve their clicks. This in return is pushing Honda to now take their off-road more serious.
95 percent of Jeep and 4Runner owners build their vehicles to never take off-road. That’s a fact. Most do it for appearance. It’s a hobby to them for social media clicks. It’s the world we live in.
Most Off-road vehicles are older vehicles and not new ones. Nobody wants to mess up their expensive vehicle. Plus off-road kills your vehicle. Most people would never buy an off-road mess.
I buy and sell vehicles and would never buy a newer vehicle to resell if it was taken off road with bruises underneath. Plus transmission and transfer cases get beat up.
2020 created more off-road enthusiasts because they were stuck home in survival mode. Most people wanted to live off the grid.
This is why prices of off-road vehicles went through the roof. In a year or two, you will see the used market flooded with them. Many are buried upside down financially in them, so they can’t sell cheap yet. So they are struggling to make payments.
I’m amazed at all the Jeep wranglers all modified that never seen dirt. Most won’t even drive in salt as they are worried about rust. Waste of money for most people. All because they got sucked into it in 2020 with survival mode in their head. Now reality is back and they don’t want it or need it.
Most new SUV owners want a reliable vehicle with small wheels and big tires to hit hikes and curbs with zero issues. They want their big tires to also be quiet.
That’s why Honda did what they did. Only people to complain are non owners and reviewers that will never own them. But it’s good cause it’s now pushing Honda to do more. The question is, will buyers care. I don’t think so. Maybe 2 percent.
While everybody else is downsizing their engines, Honda said no and I like that. Only thing is I'm not a fan of that button shifter.
I hope the Ridgeline gets this and more!
Not bad all things considered.
Is it possible to turn off traction control to give full power to the wheels because electronic systems are ruining sand hill climbing ability
I love the trac it should be used on every off-road vehicle u review specially Hyundai palisade pleaseeeeeee
I would not expect the Hyundai Palisades to do well on nasty dirt roads. Probably not any of the Hyundai Kia toy SUVs. Well I don't know maybe the new Sportage could do something? It Used to be four wheel drive... It seemed to have the worst all-wheel-drive system/setup and then I think they have dual clutch transmissions? That can't deal with it? If you want to get down some nasty dirt road you probably don't even want to waste your time looking at a palisade. Also because of the lack of ground clearance.
Also the limited departure angles?
I look forward to seeing the Trailsport go up against the new Chevy Traverse Z71. Should be interesting..
Mercedes alltrain vs subaru outback on muddy roads or on snow test.......pls
I need you to take an Outback Premium and an Outback Wilderness onto the same course so I can see if there is really that much difference. With direct comparison and thoughts.
P.S. Great review of the Honda as always!
That would be nice to see!
this is the best!!!
do you use stock air pressures for these tests or do you air down somewhat?
ok, i heard you mention 35psi stock pressures.
If/when I air down, it’s always mentioned in the video.
I thought the new IVTM4 could send 100% of power to the back now, Ryan...no?
Just saw your Jeep Compass Trailhawk video and that with a supposed 4L and a much lighter car didn't even get to the last test 😅 apples to apples the pilot is only competing with the grand highlander I think.
The Jeep Compass Trailhawk is a single-range vehicle. The so-called "4L" is just the transmission forcing it into 1st gear, as the transmission logic does not usually use 1st gear on the ZF 9HP in "normal" use.
They need to update the Passport now!
Agreed!
@@drivingsports I thought they already did update the passport so it wasn't just a sticker package? Oh wait when did this review actually come out 😅😉
Is the Honda passport trail sport still just a "sticker / decoration" package?
There are 3 reasons i didn't but this car
1. Min 6 months wait
2. Dealer sells way over MSRP
3. Canadian version does not have trailcam
The one thing that would make this a true "trailsport" would be the ability to lock the diffs. With locked differentials, it likely would have climbed that hill.
Needs tires.
in sand you typically air down to get through
Test the new ascent?