The Regrettable Truth Behind Minecrafts Golden Apple...

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  • @TheMisterEpic
    @TheMisterEpic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +609

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  • @fernandoc5536
    @fernandoc5536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6779

    I am so sad JTE was seemingly bullied off the community. I shiver just imagining what could've been if she had stayed from thereon. What kind of game would we have if she'd continued helping develop the game alongside Notch?

    • @samarsingh07
      @samarsingh07 2 ปีที่แล้ว +656

      and what she would have felt, the people who supported her started bullying her. That would be so heart breaking dude.

    • @stproducciones9140
      @stproducciones9140 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He deserved it.

    • @RebootedTitan
      @RebootedTitan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +380

      I wonder what JTE is doing now
      Edit. Thank you guys for the ton of likes

    • @ThePC007
      @ThePC007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +332

      Yeah, it was actually kind of sad. If Notch was supporting what she was doing, what issue did the mods have with her? :/

    • @monelmonelmonel
      @monelmonelmonel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +362

      If she hadn't been pushed off the Minecraft forums, she might have created an early Java version of realms with servers hosted directly by Mojang rather than through third-party server hosting websites like it is now.

  • @StormyRaptor2.0
    @StormyRaptor2.0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2673

    Man, I wonder where JTE is now. Just really hope she's out there doing something great, because just this shows how much potential she has at creating.

    • @NBrad
      @NBrad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +180

      she's still around, even made some comments in this video

    • @dannyneufeld3364
      @dannyneufeld3364 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      How do we know it's a she? Just wondering...

    • @MrHairyTeabag
      @MrHairyTeabag 2 ปีที่แล้ว +103

      @@dannyneufeld3364 they said in the video

    • @ThatsTypical
      @ThatsTypical 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      she is still around, goes by the yt name catgirl

    • @tmtmym8862
      @tmtmym8862 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ThatsTypical bro I could not find it could you pls send any link

  • @glidershower
    @glidershower 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1241

    The irony is that the logic of JTE stealing customers from Notch is laughable considering the guys that ran the minecraft4free website managed to get away with it for two whole years before Notch asked them to take it down, and even went down to accept the pirates gauntlet of an online match in another multiplayer game as a condition to do so.
    All of this story boils down to mod people being jealous of JTE's genius and not being able to replicate or even understand what she was doing at the time. Now she lives as the golden apple and in JTE's words, *"yet it still moves..."*
    Thanks for sharing this bit of OG minecraft history. I left the game for a decade in early 2010 due to problems with griefers and stuff. JTE's cage design is exactly the one we also used in our server back in the day, before it was eventually defeated and we were droven away. Makes me sad to think all of the advances people like her could've done to put an end to the griefing epidemic that took the game hostage for half of its early life. Hope she's doing well and went on to keep on coding her own projects.

    • @tellurian7999
      @tellurian7999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      not just any multiplayer game, but quake 3

    • @Extremezotako
      @Extremezotako 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Damm your not actually faking it your account was made in 2006

    • @LilacMonarch
      @LilacMonarch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Gotta love power-tripping mods/management who make people's lives hell just to make themselves feel "important" or whatever. It's pathetic

    • @deaconfetundes7888
      @deaconfetundes7888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@LilacMonarch The Curse of powertripping mods have never disappeared going to major community like Discord and Reddit.

    • @acetheinadequate
      @acetheinadequate 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      when you’re so big brain people get mad because of it

  • @Lefty7788tinkatolli
    @Lefty7788tinkatolli 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1575

    I've been playing Minecraft for nearly 10 years, and this is the first I have ever heard of JTE. Thank you so much for enlightening us and making her story known. She deserved so much better than what she got. The fact she put all that work in and pioneered one of Minecraft's most popular modes only to be bullied away by a couple of jumped-up forum admins is just heartbreaking. In my experience of the Minecraft forums, I must say the admins were despicable. They gave me infractions at every opportunity, and it got to the point where I swear they were targeting me. Esteemed users were often very rude to me, and if I stood up for myself, I wound up getting a 2-day ban while they got off scot-free. I am glad that forum went in the end. I hope those 2 mods feel thoroughly and utterly ashamed with themselves, and I hope JTE found success and the recognition she deserved in whatever she did after her early Minecraft work.

    • @Extremezotako
      @Extremezotako 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Damm your not fake your account was made in 2011
      Good job mate

    • @itzpixster2031
      @itzpixster2031 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      wow

    • @retrotek0409
      @retrotek0409 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Those 2 mods are self righteous Karens. May they roast on a spit.

    • @thanoof
      @thanoof 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@Extremezotako As if TH-cam accounts have anything to do with Minecraft accounts

    • @theorange1299
      @theorange1299 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@Extremezotako did you really need proof that he was on this earth for longer than 10 years lol

  • @ip1335
    @ip1335 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4215

    JTE wherever you are, if you somehow come across this video, we just want you to know how much we appreciate everything you've done for Minecraft ♥

  • @polypinesnek3744
    @polypinesnek3744 2 ปีที่แล้ว +843

    It pisses me off that someone so influential was bullied off Minecraft by mods abusing their power when they had permission from the game’s creator.

    • @DexTag
      @DexTag 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      No one knows what really happened and it seems like JTE wanted to sell what she made, and this is where it might become a bit more difficult. Keep in mind all of this happened 12 years ago so no one really knows what actually went down.
      Given her talent and knowledge, she could have single handedly overtaken the entire server side of Minecraft, if not more - and looking at some of the mod responses it looks like she did plan to monetize them. Usually, these kind of things are nowadays done with paypal/patreon and just to support the creator, not to actually receive something. But if you build upon a game and then try to sell it, there are very different reactions. Especially if you can put your entire focus on one side that started becoming a lot more popular very soon after, while the dev has to take care of the entire game.
      Her selling it for $10 each is not a definitive answer that it was planned, but that it was at least her reaction to the forum drama, and at worst planned like that from get go. $10 at that time is IIRC more than the actual game cost, which was around $5-7. And it might have been even worse, if the server doesnt even require Minecraft itself to be played on. I kind of doubt it, but its possible.
      Either way, I can see where the clash could have come from, but who knows what happened.

    • @optimx314
      @optimx314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      moderators ruining everything for everyone,a tale as old as time

    • @monke6912
      @monke6912 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      minecraft is always toxic

    • @optimx314
      @optimx314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@monke6912 ligma

    • @JessieEchidna
      @JessieEchidna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      It was just a small ragtag community forum in its infancy which had just scrapped itself together because Notch refused to manage an "official" one. It couldn't be helped.

  • @nicholasschmidt2864
    @nicholasschmidt2864 2 ปีที่แล้ว +717

    Wow. In the infancy of the game's life, two moderators bullied a seriously talented and committed modder into quitting the scene for the grievance of making the game functional and more bearable to play in multiplayer. It's amazing the game got anywhere if the official forums were run by clown mods that formed instant beefs with anyone who they *assumed* had a slight disagreement with Notch.

    • @Lefty7788tinkatolli
      @Lefty7788tinkatolli 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's awful. I hope they feel deeply regretful for what they did, and that JTE found success in what she went on to do after this without being hampered by a couple of jumped-up cunts.

    • @crazywoddy
      @crazywoddy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +145

      Discord mods before discord

    • @HaydenX
      @HaydenX 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean...it is Notch. He's a pathetic man-child with a hate-on for literally anyone who isn't exactly like himself.

    • @JessieEchidna
      @JessieEchidna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +103

      Notch refused to take up the responsibility to manage an "official" forums himself, since he was busy just working on the game, so all we had was the "Minecraft Community Forums", hosted and run by random fans. That moderator was literally just a 16 year old who happened to draw some half-decent pixel art Minecraft skins at the time; No one knew what they were doing, and that's okay.

    • @snark567
      @snark567 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Most moderators are usually incredibly autistic.

  • @DissonantSynth
    @DissonantSynth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +443

    JTE did absolutely nothing wrong. She helped to build and solidify the community. If it weren't for her, we wouldn't even have SMPs today and MC would be far less successful.
    It's so sad that she was forced to leave the forums. Those forum moderators were horrible

    • @nobodybroda3826
      @nobodybroda3826 ปีที่แล้ว

      Personally I wanna see the universe where she said fuck it and deleted her work and left, perhaps the community would be worse or non existent. Imagine those sweaty neckbeards horror!~

  • @maroonknight5252
    @maroonknight5252 2 ปีที่แล้ว +194

    Dang, this sucks for her. I had no idea she existed until now. I am happy that you have told this story and gave her the recognition she deserved. After seeing this video I decided to see what I could find about her on Google, but I had to use some very specific wording to find information about her. I hope that she will eventually get all the recognition she deserves, these types of stories always find a way of surfacing some day and I hope that this one gets fully shown to everyone. Good job and thank you for helping her get the recognition she deserves.

  • @CortDollaz215
    @CortDollaz215 2 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Sad to think what she could’ve added to the game if they brought her on as a member of the team.

    • @filbertovandette
      @filbertovandette 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      If they treated creators like they do today....she'd be working side by side with people like gnebom...

  • @welpyes
    @welpyes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +761

    As one of the Og Minecrafters, JTE is very well known before. Some of My friends even called him a god.

    • @themanwhowouldbebrick
      @themanwhowouldbebrick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +182

      *her

    • @welpyes
      @welpyes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      @@themanwhowouldbebrick yea

    • @welpyes
      @welpyes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +173

      @@themanwhowouldbebrick i will lose my heart if i edit so i cant

    • @themanwhowouldbebrick
      @themanwhowouldbebrick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@welpyes ok fair enough

    • @pluto9992
      @pluto9992 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Maybe thats why it's called God Apple

  • @Sevenigma777
    @Sevenigma777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    Pfft it's both sad and funny to see people saying how JTE was stealing customers from Notch. I wonder who has more money and fame now, Notch or JTE? At least that means all the accusations against JTE are proven false.

    • @JessieEchidna
      @JessieEchidna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      To be fair, those accusations were made by a 16 year old who became forum moderator because they did pixel art.
      Does kinda sting sometimes that I was already gone before the Mojang company even formed, Notch never spoke to me again, and I'm living on welfare. *shrug* It's fine.

    • @hexogramd8430
      @hexogramd8430 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JessieEchidna wait… are you JTE‽

    • @pinkliongaming8769
      @pinkliongaming8769 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@JessieEchidna good luck with everything, JTE

    • @brahtrumpwonbigly7309
      @brahtrumpwonbigly7309 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JessieEchidna you should do paying gigs instead of sitting around modding things for fun.

    • @JessieEchidna
      @JessieEchidna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 I would love to, but my magical programming superpowers come from a fickle autism that tends to make me burn-out and die whenever I really need to stay focused on something for more than a month. :'3
      So I can't trust myself to be able to reliably deliver for a paid project, which is a real shame... I've tried.

  • @0content21
    @0content21 2 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    From now on i'm calling all Enchanted Golden Apples "JTE Apples" in honor of this Minecraft pioneer.

    • @Apple_Beshy
      @Apple_Beshy ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You will forget that in a day

    • @gmandunn
      @gmandunn ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Apple_Beshy lets see if they still remember

  • @bunnybear1010
    @bunnybear1010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +216

    Just before this video released I literally found an enchanted golden apple in a dungeon! What are the chances of that?? Can’t wait to watch this vid

    • @TheMisterEpic
      @TheMisterEpic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      What a coincidence!

    • @derpycat9347
      @derpycat9347 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      nice

    • @projectember728
      @projectember728 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      About 3-6% of the time

    • @spiritupgrades
      @spiritupgrades 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@TheMisterEpic jeff

    • @rebane2001
      @rebane2001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dungeons have a 3.1% chance of spawning with an enchanted gap, so assuming every person who watched this video visited one dungeon recently, 1550 would've found an egap.

  • @jacckkaboii3528
    @jacckkaboii3528 2 ปีที่แล้ว +287

    Wow, I am so surprised that how JTE was pushed away from the community even though they were such a big influence...

    • @stproducciones9140
      @stproducciones9140 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He deserved it

    • @vitalijusmacas1629
      @vitalijusmacas1629 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ikr

    • @FrostySnow1000
      @FrostySnow1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      The forums were ran by fans and moderated by fans (aka 16 yr olds) no-one knew what they were doing

    • @happygofishing
      @happygofishing ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FrostySnow1000 the minecraft fanbase was probably way less kids back in alpha

  • @strangerdanger7803
    @strangerdanger7803 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I almost completely forgot about JTE. A real legend, a pioneer of early Minecraft. Their actions formed some of the common things we see today in Minecraft. Whether that be the golden apple or something like red names for administrators. JTE is a unsung hero of Minecraft's history. The game wouldn't be the same without their contributions, godspeed to JTE wherever they are now. Godspeed.

  • @Princess_Garnet
    @Princess_Garnet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +252

    Interesting to see that the Minecraft Forums staff was as pushy to make users feel unwelcome all that time ago too because I thought maybe it was just a recent thing.
    I decided to leave there a couple years back after being given infractions a couple of times for apparently being too far off topic (usually for chats with The Master Caver user). Forums are typically a type of social media platform that consists of things called threads which naturally, you know, evolve over time. It's not like I was suddenly introducing wildly different topics either, but if you were posting ANYTHING but a direct response to the very initial post, then it felt like it was at a risk of not being welcome. After one of my posts was removed for this (which I felt wasn't even off topic), I figured the place wasn't worth it anymore. Good riddance.
    All this was really the last straw after the forums underwent so many technical issues making it hard to use anyway, one which made pages super CPU heavy (on a rather fast CPU at the time) to edit longer posts, making me give up on maintaining the thread showing my world, and another that just... randomly made PMs never load, so I'd get PM notifications but lose access to my inbox for half a year at a time.
    Glad to hear she stood up for herself, and got Golden Apples into the game for it, haha.

    • @TheMisterEpic
      @TheMisterEpic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      I've come across the master caver on the forums many times, seems very knowledgable about the game

    • @cyanp.ramirez5174
      @cyanp.ramirez5174 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@TheMisterEpic He also has been playing the same MC version for 7 years, with a jar he has been modifying and distributing since then.

    • @cyanp.ramirez5174
      @cyanp.ramirez5174 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I remember getting a warning after responding to an user that asked a question related with the main topic there, I didn't know why either.

    • @MCLVideo
      @MCLVideo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What's wrong with TheMasterCaver?

  • @wick1439
    @wick1439 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    i completely forgot i was watching a video about the golden apple until you brought it up again

  • @vttale
    @vttale 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I wish Notch hadn't turned her down for help with network programming (ref: 8:50ish). As an Internet systems programmer my greatest beef with Minecraft is how terrible its networking is.

  • @cryppi1510
    @cryppi1510 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Man, I feel so bad that JTE isn't more talked about. Thank you for spreading her name! Hopefully she sees this video someday!

    • @hexogramd8430
      @hexogramd8430 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      she already saw it! shes replied to a lot of comments already

    • @cryppi1510
      @cryppi1510 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@hexogramd8430 That's awesome, thank you for letting me know!

  • @Valcuda
    @Valcuda 2 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    I honestly feel bad for JTE. She didn't make Minecraft, but she helped make Minecraft what it is today.
    Part of me wonders what the game would be like had she not been bullied off the forums

    • @konstak05
      @konstak05 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Without chat reporting system Probably XD

    • @AshenDust_
      @AshenDust_ ปีที่แล้ว

      @@konstak05 why do you think that? Microsoft would’ve still bought the game

    • @Forcoy
      @Forcoy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@AshenDust_Notch only sold it because he thought that his life would be magically fixed by getting rid of it. Clearly, its gotten worse since.

  • @1ups_15
    @1ups_15 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    you deserve more recognition for reading an internet argument that happened more than 10 years ago just to make a video

  • @TheAdvertisement
    @TheAdvertisement 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Poor JTE, she pioneered so much of Minecraft, and yet was persecuted unjustly. It'd be great if she could ever return, she didn't deserve being pushed out of the community. I'm glad her legacy can live on in the game through the golden apple.

  • @mixel8
    @mixel8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Only OG will remember the time when enchanted gapple made out of apple and 8 block of gold

    • @themanwhowouldbebrick
      @themanwhowouldbebrick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yessss

    • @angelicaph483
      @angelicaph483 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Damm the good but gold old days😌 (OG minecrafter btw)

    • @ThePC007
      @ThePC007 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Man, I miss the good ol' days. Back when Minecraft was a passion project and not a billion-dollar corporate endeavor.

    • @C.G.Gaster
      @C.G.Gaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      indeed

    • @MCAlexisYT
      @MCAlexisYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      *Laughs in Play Older Versions*

  • @SemiHypercube
    @SemiHypercube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    to think that one of the most powerful items in the game came from a joke

  • @arenmee540
    @arenmee540 2 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    10:25 There is one instance recorded in history with the real Notch. In the Minecraft Manhunt with Dream, GeorgeNotFound, and Notch about 2 years ago, It was shown that Notch dropped an apple after Dream killed him, but it wasn't mentioned because of the heat of the moment in the episode. The line of code seemed to be re-added on a later version.

    • @TopchetoEU
      @TopchetoEU 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      You know dream would add a plugin for that, just for the clickbait, don't you

    • @arenmee540
      @arenmee540 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      @@TopchetoEU That's a good point since the possibility is there! Here is my cheesy theory. If Dream added the plugin, he would know that Notch dropped an apple and say a line of "the legends are true, he does drop an apple". But in the video, it's as if he didn't know about it, so it's also a possibility that he didn't add a plugin. I'd like to reiterate, my theory isn't based on solid evidence rather just a shallow observation, but my stance on the subject would be that Dream didn't add a plugin for it.

    • @afk_killer4089
      @afk_killer4089 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@arenmee540 dream is a huge liar tho

    • @mwang3875
      @mwang3875 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      He probably just had an apple in his inventory prior

    • @arenmee540
      @arenmee540 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@mwang3875 I rewatched the footage, first Notch was mostly chopping birch trees. (birch trees don't drop apples), and even if he did chop oak trees, he'd at least have some saplings on his death (because oak saplings drop more frequently than apples). There is a possibility that Notch could have looted the village and received some apples there, but it's the same case wherein the same chest usually has saplings generating with it whenever an apple is in the chest.
      Also when dropping multiple instances of an item, it appears in a stack form, but the apple in Notch's death was just a singular peice.
      Now a counter to these arguments would be that #1 Notch could have just thrown out the saplings cause he needed inventory space #2 Dream was able to pickup 1 apple even with the circumstances stated above. So It's likely Notch could have been able to pickup a singular apple as well.
      #3 manhunts are cut footage and single perspective, so Notch could gather stuff outside the screentime.
      #4 the multiple instances appearing as a single item could be a setting on paper and spigot servers where in they combine multiple instances into a 1 singular entity.
      The less nerdy and more joke way to perceive the event is that whether Notch had the apple in his inventory or not, technically the legend was true that Notch still dropped an apple on death.

  • @Spiney09
    @Spiney09 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    People have said JTE has seen this, wonder what it’s like to finally have your contributions to likely the most important game of the last decade finally recognized after so long? If you see this, being a beginner programmer and just starting learning networking and server stuff, you’ve got mad skills! You also likely made Antvenom’s career, while we’re at it.

  • @Rewwgh
    @Rewwgh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Absolutely fantastic to see historical content like this. I consider myself a veteran in the game having joined around late Alpha-early Beta but some of this info is way older. True deep lore!

  • @kitsune_117
    @kitsune_117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Absolutely amazing story, sad ending tho. I remember playing on a server when grapples were still craftable, it was a sign of how powerful you were if you tons of them. Crazy how one of the most op items in the game spawned out of a joke

  • @Lugiamasterbrony
    @Lugiamasterbrony 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This right here is why I steer clear of the forums. I feel bad that JTE was bullied off the community. Hopefully more and more people give her the recognition she deserves. It would be even better if Mojang themselves would give her the credit she deserves. Who knows? Maybe they will.

  • @k1919danie
    @k1919danie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    TheMisterEpic: "it regained some of its legendary status and it became extremely rare once more"
    sb737: today we will find our 37th notch apple

  • @excalibur493
    @excalibur493 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    I never knew about JTE, even though she did all of this amazing stuff to pioneer the multiplayer environment... she's a living legend.

  • @trueno2336
    @trueno2336 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    In this game, a random block has a history. I swear.

  • @AdrielDoesGaming
    @AdrielDoesGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I feel bad for JTE, I wonder how is she doing now. She definitely deserves more credit for her work

  • @99knightMC
    @99knightMC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’ve been playing since early 2011 and I’ve never heard of JTE before. It’s unbelievable how much she did for the community. I seriously don’t think Minecraft would have ever taken off like it did without her influence on the game, specifically with the multiplayer servers. Great video, I’m glad you shared this story.

  • @TheDuperTrooper
    @TheDuperTrooper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great video!

  • @sircalvin
    @sircalvin ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i know this video is old, but i remember jtes recipe list! ive looked for it multiple times over the years, but i could never find it and assumed it was just lost to time. the last time i used it was probably over a decade ago and i was pretty young, so i never had any details but you have confirmed it was real! this means so much to me (way more than it probably should haha) and i cant thank you enough!

  • @pony_OwO
    @pony_OwO 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    my memory is super fuzzy but I remember one time back when mindcrack was still around Etho uploaded a video which had Notch logged into the server and I remember him dying in it, no idea if you can see him drop an apple at all or not though.

    • @snailymitch
      @snailymitch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I don't know about Etho but I do remember an episode by docm77 in season 4 that featured notch and he died a couple of times. I thought it might have the footage but when I looked it up it sadly was already past 1.3 so he didn't drop the apple

    • @BackyardFilms2
      @BackyardFilms2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@snailymitch to add to that dinnerbone told doc he thought he had left that code in

    • @BackyardFilms2
      @BackyardFilms2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Episode 43 of season 4 of mind mindcrack on docs channel

  • @youweretrolled5342
    @youweretrolled5342 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    So not only did she single handedly made a server that would lead to this community in the future also she gave the idea of 2 VERY helpful items in the entire game and she wasn't known to any of us at all she was even bullied off of the community. How sad reality can be sometimes I feel bad for JTE.(live your videos mister epic)

    • @PrinceDinoboy
      @PrinceDinoboy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's cancel culture for you

  • @acerniss
    @acerniss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    We could only imagine how different the game would be now if only she had continued working with them. It’s sad how influential she could have been in the community, only to be forgotten.

  • @Varen2009
    @Varen2009 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    XD she intentionaly trolled notch! Im absolute Sure. Imagine notch being constantly killed before they told him about the wiki.

  • @MrKrabs-rf7mn
    @MrKrabs-rf7mn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Those classic servers are one of the strongest forms of nostalgia for me. I remember playing those in 2011-2012 as a 6-7 year old. Undoubtedly some timeless stuff for me.

  • @BunnyBoing
    @BunnyBoing 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    8:34 i genuinely forgot what the video was about

  • @Scammers-Suck
    @Scammers-Suck 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Imagine being a "griefer" what a sad life it must be taking joy away from people who earned they're happiness in a good way.

  • @TetraForceAC
    @TetraForceAC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    After watching some of your vids about minecraft in the past, I start to see how this game was brought to life by the players (not underappreciating the devs' hard work) and that may be why Mojang values the player community so much when it comes to updates and the like.

  • @Kynatosh
    @Kynatosh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It pisses me off that such a talented individual as JTE was bullied off minecraft by some forum users. I really hope she's doing well in life

  • @tgx123mgjack8
    @tgx123mgjack8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I am a veteran of Minecraft I really hope a lot of new people see this the poor thing needs to be remembered for what they did and we should all be grateful for how they shaped Minecraft

  • @Miss_Trillium
    @Miss_Trillium 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I see you refer to JTE as a woman, but old forum posts and some people on here say she's a man? Did she come out as trans, or was her gender just not known? (I'm a trans woman and love learning about fellow trans people)(haters will be blocked)

    • @JessieEchidna
      @JessieEchidna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Roughly 2008 was the turning point where JTE started referring to herself as female, largely because it made her feel more relaxed and less likely to get into big heated arguments on Internet forums. Nowadays she barely even refers to herself as "JTE" anymore, to try and distance herself from that past. Usually I'm just some quiet, generic, programming catgirl, hiding in the background, instead. The less people can find me, the better, I think. :3

    • @Miss_Trillium
      @Miss_Trillium 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JessieEchidna well it's cool to know that she was able to grow into herself, that's a wonderful thing. I wonder what she's up to these days? Also, big shout out to Mister Epic for getting it right--I'm glad to know he supports us. I just hope she's doing alright. Now that I've typed enough text I'm hoping that the algorithm is going to do its thing. But holy heck are you actually her? That's amazing

    • @JessieEchidna
      @JessieEchidna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Miss_Trillium Algorithm triggered, got your message, hi. :P Yes, it me. I'm still JTE on Minecraft mainly because 3 letter names are rare and impossible to claim nowadays, lol. I've been up to a whole bunch of things since then, programming interesting things in smol communities before they grow too big for me. Won the first Pico-8 Jam, programmed all the fancy things like Lua scripting, skyboxes, advanced bosses, and race ghosts into SRB2 before SRB2Kart got picked up by streamers, uhh currently modding Rivals of Aether after datamining the heck out of it to push their mod scripting API to its limits.

    • @sloweia
      @sloweia 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JessieEchidna so cool to see trans people in mc history video. glad you're alright🧡

    • @lithiumwyvern_
      @lithiumwyvern_ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@JessieEchidnaWait, so you really are the same JTE who worked on SRB2? I ask because the game has you credited by what seems to be your deadname to this day, which would be very weird given that you came out long before you left SRB2's community, unless you gave them a fake name (and it might've not been as much the case before 2020, but both STJr and Kart Krew are very trans-positive, with many lead members of both being trans).

  • @bluesillybeard
    @bluesillybeard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    0:46
    "sus amogus"
    LOL I didn't know Amogus was a thing back in 2010 xD

    • @MyCisLife
      @MyCisLife 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      this is really new footage from the Betacraft and ClassiCube server ClassicalNuts

    • @bluesillybeard
      @bluesillybeard 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MyCisLife Figured

    • @bel37a
      @bel37a 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The only old server they actually showed was Au70, that's still on classicube.

    • @MyCisLife
      @MyCisLife 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bel37a yeah all the other ones are new

  • @bob6106
    @bob6106 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    That video is awesome, thanks for teaching us that and making incredible videos, keep it up!

  • @raxleigh3981
    @raxleigh3981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Loved the video, it was a lot more interesting than the title suggests, maybe a tweak is needed? I almost didn't watch and would have missed out on all that JTE stuff and the origin of server software. On that note, would love to see a history of Bukkit if you think it's interesting enough for a video!

  • @thealandude9146
    @thealandude9146 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Even if I don't really play these minigames, I'm glad that JTE pioneered many features that exists in the game and many servers

  • @connortremblay1259
    @connortremblay1259 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wow, I can't believe that a couple of power high forum admins bullied somebody so incredible and influential out of the community. Truly despicable. I just can't even believe how somebody could be so unfulfilled in their own life that they harass a modder on somebody else's behalf when that somebody else made no mention that they didn't approve.

  • @yummychips_
    @yummychips_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    this was really interesting. A long time ago, I heard about this, but never knew the details or the people involved. I just heard that some one was making a clone of the game, with customized options. Similar to how private servers came to be with other games. Didn't realize it was like this.
    Honestly, it feels like JTE was probably pretty close to notch, close enough to make jokes, memes, and easter eggs. It really seems like JTE probably had way better understanding of running the code, but also really liked Notches concept. Notch IIRC just wanted people to play in a world where they can do anything. This story seems like JTE wanted to reinforce that idea and expand on it.
    Really sucks she/he got bullied off the forums. Who knows though, maybe JTE always stuck around, and continued to work alongside notch. Maybe when windows did their aquisition, they probably wanted she/he to come along to. Might have changed names, or stays in the back quietly? Or maybe probably just plays the game on their own.
    Dark side though, maybe what JTE unleashed is actually horrible. While not a free version of minecraft with more updates, but the server side options. Stuff that has made those dreadful p2w scam servers. Servers that are out to make money off of people, and not actually provide the experience notch intended.
    I feel like there probably is more to this story, but since its so old, who actually knows what happens.

  • @eliad6543
    @eliad6543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Incredible, please keep doing this.

  • @somerandombub
    @somerandombub 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    As a member of that community, I wish you would have made some small shoutout to ClassiCube which was used for much of the footage here, or at least put it in the description.

  • @ImFangzBro
    @ImFangzBro ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm happy she has SOMETHING to say "You see that? I made that." in official Minecraft. She deserves it.

  • @Amanda-mb9et
    @Amanda-mb9et 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "since there was no little book showing crafting recipes" made me feel old

  • @EpicUwU_
    @EpicUwU_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    "Nobody has killed notch in game"
    Apparently Dream did a manhunt thing with Notch and killed him there

    • @spottynaughty
      @spottynaughty 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      he accually dropped an apple

    • @realo3503
      @realo3503 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@spottynaughty I remember people saying that it was coded to do that I only remember this because it was around when I stopped watching him

    • @spottynaughty
      @spottynaughty 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@realo3503 that could be true

    • @absolutelynot4261
      @absolutelynot4261 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The notch apple code was removed before then. They modded it back in

  • @Iliadic
    @Iliadic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Actually 1.9 didn't nerf the Notch Apple, it made it WAY stronger, but removed its crafting recipe.

    • @FusionCyborg
      @FusionCyborg ปีที่แล้ว

      The Notch Apple's Regeneration IV (1.3.1 - 1.5.2) / V (1.6.1 - 1.8.9) healed 1 HP every 6 ticks and lasted 30 seconds (Adds up to 100HP healed)
      1.9 Changed Regeneration V for 30 seconds to Regeneration II for 20 seconds, which only healed 1HP every 25 ticks and added up to just 16HP healed.
      So no, 1.9 did nerf the Notch Apple.
      *(The Regeneration change in 1.6.1 had in practice no effect as it was to counter a nerf to low levels of Regeneration, or in other words Regeneration V in 1.6.1 was the same as Regeneration IV in 1.5.2.)

  • @Corvidtorious
    @Corvidtorious ปีที่แล้ว +1

    JTE: "My server can handle lava floods."
    Notch: "Is that right?"

  • @setyx.
    @setyx. ปีที่แล้ว +3

    10:50 dream made a man hunt video with notch and there is a scene where notch died and he dropped and Apple

  • @Respectable_Username
    @Respectable_Username 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Seems like it would have been easier to just hire her and get her to officially help speed up Minecraft's development rather than let her be bullied off the forums

  • @Blue-wh7mz
    @Blue-wh7mz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I missed the old golden apple texture theyre soo smooth looking

  • @ethanbroussard
    @ethanbroussard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Dream did actually make a video with Notch and killed him, but I don't thing he dropped an apple (the video is now unlisted because of people wanting to cancel Notch, but you can probably fine a re-upload)
    Also the video was way after 1.3.1 but it's still kinda cool

    • @tungstentatertot8623
      @tungstentatertot8623 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m pretty sure he did drop an apple

    • @kirakirsch8991
      @kirakirsch8991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      you can see how he drops an apple for like 2 frames

    • @scriptrixdeo
      @scriptrixdeo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Is that seriously why it was unlisted? Jeeeez. People are insufferable.

    • @GumSkyloard
      @GumSkyloard 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@scriptrixdeo He literally talked about shooting trans people..

  • @vampire_juicebox
    @vampire_juicebox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Could have sworn, sometime around 2013 or 2014, I came across a youtube video that seemed genuine of Notch being killed on a server and dropping an apple. The video itself was definitely uploaded before then, and it looked like it was probably from beta era. All I remember of what actually happened in the video is Notch getting killed by the person recording and dropping an apple and then maybe saying something in chat. The part I most remember, for whatever reason, was the setting. They were inside a building made of white wool and there was a lower area with stairs leading down and a railing made of glass panes because there was a ledge.
    Does anyone else remember seeing this video or know what I'm talking about? A part of me doubts this isn't just something I dreamed and this might just be a repeat of Body Harvest Moon, but the image is so vivid in my mind that I don't know if I could even have dreamt that.

    • @scrhh
      @scrhh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      maybe it was this video? th-cam.com/video/5fi3zkOgGlg/w-d-xo.html the setting at 5:30 does sound similar, and your brain mightve changed a bit of the details

    • @vampire_juicebox
      @vampire_juicebox 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@scrhh It's not exactly what I remember, but my memory is so bad, this might be the video I saw. Thank you!

    • @BigOlYoloProduction
      @BigOlYoloProduction 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a friend who killed notch 11 years ago. Good times.

  • @deciding
    @deciding 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is definitely my favorite video from you. The research that went behind this is crazy. Well done.

  • @GladlyOnXbox
    @GladlyOnXbox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    minecraft was really a an outstanding game and it really always will be, it touched and changed so many people for years and will for many years to come and i’m glad we have people to record the history of this amazing community

  • @MeatGoblin88
    @MeatGoblin88 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    8:09 lmao that banner is the most 2009 thing ever

  • @paxdamaxgaming4920
    @paxdamaxgaming4920 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    No joke I found two god apples in one dungeon chest yesterday

  • @lugiamastero13
    @lugiamastero13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's amazing that even today like literally years and years later I learn more about Minecrafts past I though I knew a lot despite missing out till around 2017 when I finally could afford the game I had no idea about JTE at all but I am grateful for her contribution now though I wish the current heads of Minecraft could give proper recognition for her work on the game that helped shape it to what we have now in some shape or form

  • @KnightOfDark
    @KnightOfDark 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dream did a manhunt with Notch and he drops an apple in that video

    • @pondererofpointlessdreams5029
      @pondererofpointlessdreams5029 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it surprised me when he said "there's no footage of this actually happening" when theres a popular, legit video that confirms the legend lol

    • @KnightOfDark
      @KnightOfDark 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pondererofpointlessdreams5029 in fairness dream did private the video

  • @Berny747
    @Berny747 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i was so into the JTE story that i honestly forgot about the golden apple lmao

  • @spencercarruth9706
    @spencercarruth9706 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I’m *fairly* certain that a member of Mindcrack accidentally killed Notch when he joined them for a special several years ago, but I don’t remember what season it was.

    • @NotTheGaslighter
      @NotTheGaslighter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This was the episode where Etho and Doc were finishing their perimeter and invited Notch on to finish off the last few blocks, if that helps

    • @BackyardFilms2
      @BackyardFilms2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was season 4 episode 43 on docs channel and no apple dropped but dinnerbone was surprised because he thought he left that code in

  • @jadedstonedmonkey
    @jadedstonedmonkey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember the lava flood mini game god that feels like such a long time ago

  • @JamesTDG
    @JamesTDG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Man I hope this video helps encourage people to get Mojang to recognize the scope of jte's work upon Minecraft's mp community

  • @emgex
    @emgex ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thats why every game needs a mod support, there are so much people who have amazing ideas for mod that increase the games fun and popularity.

  • @Thechaosmaster1997
    @Thechaosmaster1997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So, basically, a Minecraft pioneer was wrongfully bullied because she was doing what moders do now, back when Minecraft was still new, but in her greatest moments, inadvertently created one of the most powerful artifacts in the game. And a lot of what she created, ended up becoming part of the true game later on.

  • @n0tap3rs0n3
    @n0tap3rs0n3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Had she kept the server code I’m pretty sure there would still be other servers but hers would probably the most advanced

    • @n0tap3rs0n3
      @n0tap3rs0n3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well that is if she wasn’t bullied off the site she is full of extreme potential!

  • @mromg8282
    @mromg8282 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So we most likely missed on a giant super server because of some toxic forum mods... nice.

  • @cassyettetape
    @cassyettetape 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s very interesting to me as a player who began her experience with Minecraft while survival was in its early Alpha phase. Seeing how completely different this 2009 multiplayer community was than the one I would end up interacting with from 2010. I had never heard of JTE, but it seems like she paved a way for a lot of stuff that would be forgotten even by the time I began.

  • @projectember728
    @projectember728 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It’s hard to get back into Minecraft
    I feel like I’ve lost the enthusiasm and energy to play it
    No friends who are online to play with
    Bad internet on multiplayer servers
    I don’t know what to do anymore:(

    • @mhausage3454
      @mhausage3454 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Don't worry bro. Move on to some other games instead. If not enjoying it you can't force yourself to enjoy it. Sooner or later, you would miss playing minecraft and want to play it again. Just give yourself some time alright?

    • @projectember728
      @projectember728 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mhausage3454 you are right
      Thanks for opening my eyes
      I’m just gonna stick to what I enjoy

    • @projectember728
      @projectember728 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I want to make videos I enjoy but I’m forced to make ones that I absolutely despise
      I will go in my direction
      At least I will be happy that way:)

  • @wykner
    @wykner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can't believe that almost 8 years of playing Minecraft I've never heard of her! She was just... Ahead of time if I can that. XD
    It's so unfortunate that she had to go all of that in the past and haven't gotten recognition for her doings, so good to hear about this!
    Thanks JTE for your contributions for Minecraft and the community, also thanks to MisterEpic for letting me know about you. Hope you all are having a wonderful day! 😁

  • @Zuriki09
    @Zuriki09 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Hi. I'm Zuriki, I am one of the a-holes depicted in this video. It's been over a decade since this event, but this video was shared with me and I felt compelled to share that I am personally embarrassed by my behavior back then. I'm not going to give justifications for why things played out the way they did, I was impressed by her work then and even more so with hindsight, but that is vastly overshadowed by the injustice that we inflicted. Naturally, we were all immature teenagers at some point and we all say and do stupid things - unfortunately, some of them have a permanent record. Honestly, given this all happened in a few days over a decade ago I remember almost nothing about this event - but upon seeing this video and being reminded of what I had said I reached out to JTE personally to apologise for my mistreatment of her. I was most definitely in the wrong. Thankfully, there is no bad blood between us.

    • @legoldmanofficial8944
      @legoldmanofficial8944 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Alright man, people change
      I was an a-hole once in my life too.
      But hey, changing for the better is what we need to do.
      And sometimes, we need to use what we learned in the past to change ourselves for the better.

  • @goldjaws
    @goldjaws 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I knew of JTE but I didn’t know much. I wouldn’t call myself an OG since I had only started playing in 1.4.2 but I had been fallowing the community since before horses were in the game (whichever update added them)

  • @ramaahiara
    @ramaahiara 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I bet that if JTE wasnt a woman, she would have been hated way less, just because most people get mad when women tries to do great thing while being apprecciated, if she was a guy i bet the admins would be like “woah congrats man”

    • @ramaahiara
      @ramaahiara 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@SkyenNovaA yes

  • @realhydraelite8760
    @realhydraelite8760 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wonder what JTE is up to now? Does she still do stuff with Minecraft? If she still alive?

  • @davidriha
    @davidriha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I thought I recalled Notch dropping an apple in the video that Dream, of all people, made about the manhunt with Notch.

    • @JustAnotherYouTubeCommenter
      @JustAnotherYouTubeCommenter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      unfortunately he deleted the vid

    • @sagoot
      @sagoot 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JustAnotherTH-camCommenter there is a reupload

  • @dbdemon4227
    @dbdemon4227 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i actually found an enchanted golden apple the other day and thought nothing of it, after watching this its making me taking a second thought

  • @Niknokinater
    @Niknokinater 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Notch Apple? More like JTE Apple ^^

  • @sinisterzz5031
    @sinisterzz5031 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I will forever refer to the god apple as the "Japple" now.

  • @OMGitzDegree
    @OMGitzDegree 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I played when it was craftable left the game for a 3 years came back and figured out I couldn’t craft it anymore :(

  • @teku0000
    @teku0000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have never heard this story before and now it angers me to no end someone like her existed and was basically bullied into quitting what she was doing. This isnt fair, I can just imagine what JTE could have done. This also reminds me of mods and such scepticism around them, atleast in some communities. I remember a few years ago when Deep Rock Galactic modding was taking shape people treated modders like crap just because they had modified the game and added features and modifications yet seen in the game, of course this had a fairly good ending considering mod support became official.

  • @clarethecat5199
    @clarethecat5199 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    JTE should start a TH-cam channel! I'd love to see what kind of magic she's able to do :D

    • @hexogramd8430
      @hexogramd8430 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      She does have a channel although it’s just playing games

    • @JessieEchidna
      @JessieEchidna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      What should be on it? Mmm, I suppose I really should bother making "trailers" for the things I produce more often.

    • @xxvii9476
      @xxvii9476 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JessieEchidna hi

  • @Devil914
    @Devil914 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you JTE. THANK YOU. You did amazing work, I'm sorry those that were there for it turned you down. They didn't know what this have was going to turn into.

  • @_Tzer
    @_Tzer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tbf jte should have an entire page on the minecraft wiki as a testament to their legacy

  • @landrick1244
    @landrick1244 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At the end of the video when you mentioned there was no well known game footage of Notch dropping an Apple when he died, look at Dreams manhunt video when they collaborated with Notch. In the video, you can clearly see he drops an Apple when he dies.

  • @_KS__
    @_KS__ ปีที่แล้ว +3

    1:45 "sus amongus" in 2009 server. is this guy time traveler?

  • @TheCJBrine
    @TheCJBrine 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dang, I knew of the “Notch drops apples” thing but didn’t know this other stuff, that’s pretty cool. I started a bit too late to learn about JTE I guess, since I started on Beta 1.5 in 2011. She sounds cool, her contributions to the game are great; sucks what happened to her on the forum, hope she’s doing good.