I am so sad JTE was seemingly bullied off the community. I shiver just imagining what could've been if she had stayed from thereon. What kind of game would we have if she'd continued helping develop the game alongside Notch?
If she hadn't been pushed off the Minecraft forums, she might have created an early Java version of realms with servers hosted directly by Mojang rather than through third-party server hosting websites like it is now.
Man, I wonder where JTE is now. Just really hope she's out there doing something great, because just this shows how much potential she has at creating.
I've been playing Minecraft for nearly 10 years, and this is the first I have ever heard of JTE. Thank you so much for enlightening us and making her story known. She deserved so much better than what she got. The fact she put all that work in and pioneered one of Minecraft's most popular modes only to be bullied away by a couple of jumped-up forum admins is just heartbreaking. In my experience of the Minecraft forums, I must say the admins were despicable. They gave me infractions at every opportunity, and it got to the point where I swear they were targeting me. Esteemed users were often very rude to me, and if I stood up for myself, I wound up getting a 2-day ban while they got off scot-free. I am glad that forum went in the end. I hope those 2 mods feel thoroughly and utterly ashamed with themselves, and I hope JTE found success and the recognition she deserved in whatever she did after her early Minecraft work.
@@theorange1299 I mean tbf a lot of people watching minecraft videos are like 8-14 years old, and to them imagining someone playing MC in like 2010 already seems a bit crazy.
The irony is that the logic of JTE stealing customers from Notch is laughable considering the guys that ran the minecraft4free website managed to get away with it for two whole years before Notch asked them to take it down, and even went down to accept the pirates gauntlet of an online match in another multiplayer game as a condition to do so. All of this story boils down to mod people being jealous of JTE's genius and not being able to replicate or even understand what she was doing at the time. Now she lives as the golden apple and in JTE's words, *"yet it still moves..."* Thanks for sharing this bit of OG minecraft history. I left the game for a decade in early 2010 due to problems with griefers and stuff. JTE's cage design is exactly the one we also used in our server back in the day, before it was eventually defeated and we were droven away. Makes me sad to think all of the advances people like her could've done to put an end to the griefing epidemic that took the game hostage for half of its early life. Hope she's doing well and went on to keep on coding her own projects.
No one knows what really happened and it seems like JTE wanted to sell what she made, and this is where it might become a bit more difficult. Keep in mind all of this happened 12 years ago so no one really knows what actually went down. Given her talent and knowledge, she could have single handedly overtaken the entire server side of Minecraft, if not more - and looking at some of the mod responses it looks like she did plan to monetize them. Usually, these kind of things are nowadays done with paypal/patreon and just to support the creator, not to actually receive something. But if you build upon a game and then try to sell it, there are very different reactions. Especially if you can put your entire focus on one side that started becoming a lot more popular very soon after, while the dev has to take care of the entire game. Her selling it for $10 each is not a definitive answer that it was planned, but that it was at least her reaction to the forum drama, and at worst planned like that from get go. $10 at that time is IIRC more than the actual game cost, which was around $5-7. And it might have been even worse, if the server doesnt even require Minecraft itself to be played on. I kind of doubt it, but its possible. Either way, I can see where the clash could have come from, but who knows what happened.
It was just a small ragtag community forum in its infancy which had just scrapped itself together because Notch refused to manage an "official" one. It couldn't be helped.
Wow. In the infancy of the game's life, two moderators bullied a seriously talented and committed modder into quitting the scene for the grievance of making the game functional and more bearable to play in multiplayer. It's amazing the game got anywhere if the official forums were run by clown mods that formed instant beefs with anyone who they *assumed* had a slight disagreement with Notch.
It's awful. I hope they feel deeply regretful for what they did, and that JTE found success in what she went on to do after this without being hampered by a couple of jumped-up cunts.
Notch refused to take up the responsibility to manage an "official" forums himself, since he was busy just working on the game, so all we had was the "Minecraft Community Forums", hosted and run by random fans. That moderator was literally just a 16 year old who happened to draw some half-decent pixel art Minecraft skins at the time; No one knew what they were doing, and that's okay.
Dang, this sucks for her. I had no idea she existed until now. I am happy that you have told this story and gave her the recognition she deserved. After seeing this video I decided to see what I could find about her on Google, but I had to use some very specific wording to find information about her. I hope that she will eventually get all the recognition she deserves, these types of stories always find a way of surfacing some day and I hope that this one gets fully shown to everyone. Good job and thank you for helping her get the recognition she deserves.
JTE did absolutely nothing wrong. She helped to build and solidify the community. If it weren't for her, we wouldn't even have SMPs today and MC would be far less successful. It's so sad that she was forced to leave the forums. Those forum moderators were horrible
Personally I wanna see the universe where she said fuck it and deleted her work and left, perhaps the community would be worse or non existent. Imagine those sweaty neckbeards horror!~
Dungeons have a 3.1% chance of spawning with an enchanted gap, so assuming every person who watched this video visited one dungeon recently, 1550 would've found an egap.
I honestly feel bad for JTE. She didn't make Minecraft, but she helped make Minecraft what it is today. Part of me wonders what the game would be like had she not been bullied off the forums
Pfft it's both sad and funny to see people saying how JTE was stealing customers from Notch. I wonder who has more money and fame now, Notch or JTE? At least that means all the accusations against JTE are proven false.
To be fair, those accusations were made by a 16 year old who became forum moderator because they did pixel art. Does kinda sting sometimes that I was already gone before the Mojang company even formed, Notch never spoke to me again, and I'm living on welfare. *shrug* It's fine.
@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 I would love to, but my magical programming superpowers come from a fickle autism that tends to make me burn-out and die whenever I really need to stay focused on something for more than a month. :'3 So I can't trust myself to be able to reliably deliver for a paid project, which is a real shame... I've tried.
Poor JTE, she pioneered so much of Minecraft, and yet was persecuted unjustly. It'd be great if she could ever return, she didn't deserve being pushed out of the community. I'm glad her legacy can live on in the game through the golden apple.
Absolutely amazing story, sad ending tho. I remember playing on a server when grapples were still craftable, it was a sign of how powerful you were if you tons of them. Crazy how one of the most op items in the game spawned out of a joke
I wish Notch hadn't turned her down for help with network programming (ref: 8:50ish). As an Internet systems programmer my greatest beef with Minecraft is how terrible its networking is.
People have said JTE has seen this, wonder what it’s like to finally have your contributions to likely the most important game of the last decade finally recognized after so long? If you see this, being a beginner programmer and just starting learning networking and server stuff, you’ve got mad skills! You also likely made Antvenom’s career, while we’re at it.
This right here is why I steer clear of the forums. I feel bad that JTE was bullied off the community. Hopefully more and more people give her the recognition she deserves. It would be even better if Mojang themselves would give her the credit she deserves. Who knows? Maybe they will.
Absolutely fantastic to see historical content like this. I consider myself a veteran in the game having joined around late Alpha-early Beta but some of this info is way older. True deep lore!
Interesting to see that the Minecraft Forums staff was as pushy to make users feel unwelcome all that time ago too because I thought maybe it was just a recent thing. I decided to leave there a couple years back after being given infractions a couple of times for apparently being too far off topic (usually for chats with The Master Caver user). Forums are typically a type of social media platform that consists of things called threads which naturally, you know, evolve over time. It's not like I was suddenly introducing wildly different topics either, but if you were posting ANYTHING but a direct response to the very initial post, then it felt like it was at a risk of not being welcome. After one of my posts was removed for this (which I felt wasn't even off topic), I figured the place wasn't worth it anymore. Good riddance. All this was really the last straw after the forums underwent so many technical issues making it hard to use anyway, one which made pages super CPU heavy (on a rather fast CPU at the time) to edit longer posts, making me give up on maintaining the thread showing my world, and another that just... randomly made PMs never load, so I'd get PM notifications but lose access to my inbox for half a year at a time. Glad to hear she stood up for herself, and got Golden Apples into the game for it, haha.
I’ve been playing since early 2011 and I’ve never heard of JTE before. It’s unbelievable how much she did for the community. I seriously don’t think Minecraft would have ever taken off like it did without her influence on the game, specifically with the multiplayer servers. Great video, I’m glad you shared this story.
Those classic servers are one of the strongest forms of nostalgia for me. I remember playing those in 2011-2012 as a 6-7 year old. Undoubtedly some timeless stuff for me.
10:25 There is one instance recorded in history with the real Notch. In the Minecraft Manhunt with Dream, GeorgeNotFound, and Notch about 2 years ago, It was shown that Notch dropped an apple after Dream killed him, but it wasn't mentioned because of the heat of the moment in the episode. The line of code seemed to be re-added on a later version.
@@TopchetoEU That's a good point since the possibility is there! Here is my cheesy theory. If Dream added the plugin, he would know that Notch dropped an apple and say a line of "the legends are true, he does drop an apple". But in the video, it's as if he didn't know about it, so it's also a possibility that he didn't add a plugin. I'd like to reiterate, my theory isn't based on solid evidence rather just a shallow observation, but my stance on the subject would be that Dream didn't add a plugin for it.
@@mwang3875 I rewatched the footage, first Notch was mostly chopping birch trees. (birch trees don't drop apples), and even if he did chop oak trees, he'd at least have some saplings on his death (because oak saplings drop more frequently than apples). There is a possibility that Notch could have looted the village and received some apples there, but it's the same case wherein the same chest usually has saplings generating with it whenever an apple is in the chest. Also when dropping multiple instances of an item, it appears in a stack form, but the apple in Notch's death was just a singular peice. Now a counter to these arguments would be that #1 Notch could have just thrown out the saplings cause he needed inventory space #2 Dream was able to pickup 1 apple even with the circumstances stated above. So It's likely Notch could have been able to pickup a singular apple as well. #3 manhunts are cut footage and single perspective, so Notch could gather stuff outside the screentime. #4 the multiple instances appearing as a single item could be a setting on paper and spigot servers where in they combine multiple instances into a 1 singular entity. The less nerdy and more joke way to perceive the event is that whether Notch had the apple in his inventory or not, technically the legend was true that Notch still dropped an apple on death.
We could only imagine how different the game would be now if only she had continued working with them. It’s sad how influential she could have been in the community, only to be forgotten.
So not only did she single handedly made a server that would lead to this community in the future also she gave the idea of 2 VERY helpful items in the entire game and she wasn't known to any of us at all she was even bullied off of the community. How sad reality can be sometimes I feel bad for JTE.(live your videos mister epic)
After watching some of your vids about minecraft in the past, I start to see how this game was brought to life by the players (not underappreciating the devs' hard work) and that may be why Mojang values the player community so much when it comes to updates and the like.
i know this video is old, but i remember jtes recipe list! ive looked for it multiple times over the years, but i could never find it and assumed it was just lost to time. the last time i used it was probably over a decade ago and i was pretty young, so i never had any details but you have confirmed it was real! this means so much to me (way more than it probably should haha) and i cant thank you enough!
I am a veteran of Minecraft I really hope a lot of new people see this the poor thing needs to be remembered for what they did and we should all be grateful for how they shaped Minecraft
my memory is super fuzzy but I remember one time back when mindcrack was still around Etho uploaded a video which had Notch logged into the server and I remember him dying in it, no idea if you can see him drop an apple at all or not though.
I don't know about Etho but I do remember an episode by docm77 in season 4 that featured notch and he died a couple of times. I thought it might have the footage but when I looked it up it sadly was already past 1.3 so he didn't drop the apple
this was really interesting. A long time ago, I heard about this, but never knew the details or the people involved. I just heard that some one was making a clone of the game, with customized options. Similar to how private servers came to be with other games. Didn't realize it was like this. Honestly, it feels like JTE was probably pretty close to notch, close enough to make jokes, memes, and easter eggs. It really seems like JTE probably had way better understanding of running the code, but also really liked Notches concept. Notch IIRC just wanted people to play in a world where they can do anything. This story seems like JTE wanted to reinforce that idea and expand on it. Really sucks she/he got bullied off the forums. Who knows though, maybe JTE always stuck around, and continued to work alongside notch. Maybe when windows did their aquisition, they probably wanted she/he to come along to. Might have changed names, or stays in the back quietly? Or maybe probably just plays the game on their own. Dark side though, maybe what JTE unleashed is actually horrible. While not a free version of minecraft with more updates, but the server side options. Stuff that has made those dreadful p2w scam servers. Servers that are out to make money off of people, and not actually provide the experience notch intended. I feel like there probably is more to this story, but since its so old, who actually knows what happens.
As a member of that community, I wish you would have made some small shoutout to ClassiCube which was used for much of the footage here, or at least put it in the description.
Loved the video, it was a lot more interesting than the title suggests, maybe a tweak is needed? I almost didn't watch and would have missed out on all that JTE stuff and the origin of server software. On that note, would love to see a history of Bukkit if you think it's interesting enough for a video!
minecraft was really a an outstanding game and it really always will be, it touched and changed so many people for years and will for many years to come and i’m glad we have people to record the history of this amazing community
Wow, I can't believe that a couple of power high forum admins bullied somebody so incredible and influential out of the community. Truly despicable. I just can't even believe how somebody could be so unfulfilled in their own life that they harass a modder on somebody else's behalf when that somebody else made no mention that they didn't approve.
It's amazing that even today like literally years and years later I learn more about Minecrafts past I though I knew a lot despite missing out till around 2017 when I finally could afford the game I had no idea about JTE at all but I am grateful for her contribution now though I wish the current heads of Minecraft could give proper recognition for her work on the game that helped shape it to what we have now in some shape or form
The Notch Apple's Regeneration IV (1.3.1 - 1.5.2) / V (1.6.1 - 1.8.9) healed 1 HP every 6 ticks and lasted 30 seconds (Adds up to 100HP healed) 1.9 Changed Regeneration V for 30 seconds to Regeneration II for 20 seconds, which only healed 1HP every 25 ticks and added up to just 16HP healed. So no, 1.9 did nerf the Notch Apple. *(The Regeneration change in 1.6.1 had in practice no effect as it was to counter a nerf to low levels of Regeneration, or in other words Regeneration V in 1.6.1 was the same as Regeneration IV in 1.5.2.)
Thank you JTE. THANK YOU. You did amazing work, I'm sorry those that were there for it turned you down. They didn't know what this have was going to turn into.
Seems like it would have been easier to just hire her and get her to officially help speed up Minecraft's development rather than let her be bullied off the forums
Someone in the comments said that JTE knows about this video, so to JTE, if you ever see this - thank you, first and foremost, for your contributions to this game in its earliest forms. I think everyone can agree that it wouldn't be the same without you. Second, I'm happy to say that the attitude towards modding and experimenting with the game has changed drastically since 2010. Modders are highly respected individuals (at this point, modders are often better-respected than Mojang devs, but that's another story). You laid the groundwork for all of the creative reinterpretations that mods allow, which have (in my opinion) kept the game alive for so long. Please know that if you should ever return to Minecraft modding, in whatever capacity, you would be welcomed with open arms. I hope that whatever you're doing now is making you happy, and best of luck in all things.
It’s very interesting to me as a player who began her experience with Minecraft while survival was in its early Alpha phase. Seeing how completely different this 2009 multiplayer community was than the one I would end up interacting with from 2010. I had never heard of JTE, but it seems like she paved a way for a lot of stuff that would be forgotten even by the time I began.
Dang, I knew of the “Notch drops apples” thing but didn’t know this other stuff, that’s pretty cool. I started a bit too late to learn about JTE I guess, since I started on Beta 1.5 in 2011. She sounds cool, her contributions to the game are great; sucks what happened to her on the forum, hope she’s doing good.
I’m *fairly* certain that a member of Mindcrack accidentally killed Notch when he joined them for a special several years ago, but I don’t remember what season it was.
From what I remember early versions of modded even had lots of similar drama where mod devs wanted all the credit for their work and some modpack creators didnt give them that credit and a lot of drama happened because of that. Mainly Tekkit packs around 1.2.5-1.6.4 but apparently no one in mc wanted to work together to make something great they all wanted to have a piece of the cake.
Could have sworn, sometime around 2013 or 2014, I came across a youtube video that seemed genuine of Notch being killed on a server and dropping an apple. The video itself was definitely uploaded before then, and it looked like it was probably from beta era. All I remember of what actually happened in the video is Notch getting killed by the person recording and dropping an apple and then maybe saying something in chat. The part I most remember, for whatever reason, was the setting. They were inside a building made of white wool and there was a lower area with stairs leading down and a railing made of glass panes because there was a ledge. Does anyone else remember seeing this video or know what I'm talking about? A part of me doubts this isn't just something I dreamed and this might just be a repeat of Body Harvest Moon, but the image is so vivid in my mind that I don't know if I could even have dreamt that.
maybe it was this video? th-cam.com/video/5fi3zkOgGlg/w-d-xo.html the setting at 5:30 does sound similar, and your brain mightve changed a bit of the details
I actually found a golden apple in a chest the other day! Had no idea what it was though, so thank you for the informative video! So sad about JTE, some people can just be unnecarily mean.
Dream did actually make a video with Notch and killed him, but I don't thing he dropped an apple (the video is now unlisted because of people wanting to cancel Notch, but you can probably fine a re-upload) Also the video was way after 1.3.1 but it's still kinda cool
JTE did some amazing stuff in the SRB2 community back in the day too! Crazy to learn what they did for Minecraft as well. Genuinely hope they are doing well
Seeing the Super Duper Graphics Pack screenshot being used in the thumbnail hits the feels. Wonder if we'll ever see console shaders, it looked so good.
At the end of the video when you mentioned there was no well known game footage of Notch dropping an Apple when he died, look at Dreams manhunt video when they collaborated with Notch. In the video, you can clearly see he drops an Apple when he dies.
I vividly remember the days of Classic MC... the nostalgia really hits hard and I no longer recognize the game and the community. Which I guess it's just the way things happen in such a long time.
I’ve heard Minecraft’s origin story probably hundreds of times over the years, and not once had JTE ever been mentioned. I can’t believe this is the first time I’m hearing about her. So cool to hear about the contributions she made to the game. Sucks that she got bullied off of the forums though. I hope she’s now aware of the community’s respect for her. A literal Minecraft legend.
I can't believe that almost 8 years of playing Minecraft I've never heard of her! She was just... Ahead of time if I can that. XD It's so unfortunate that she had to go all of that in the past and haven't gotten recognition for her doings, so good to hear about this! Thanks JTE for your contributions for Minecraft and the community, also thanks to MisterEpic for letting me know about you. Hope you all are having a wonderful day! 😁
It’s hard to get back into Minecraft I feel like I’ve lost the enthusiasm and energy to play it No friends who are online to play with Bad internet on multiplayer servers I don’t know what to do anymore:(
Don't worry bro. Move on to some other games instead. If not enjoying it you can't force yourself to enjoy it. Sooner or later, you would miss playing minecraft and want to play it again. Just give yourself some time alright?
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In dream manhunt with notch when notch died he dropped an apple 🍎
I am so sad JTE was seemingly bullied off the community. I shiver just imagining what could've been if she had stayed from thereon. What kind of game would we have if she'd continued helping develop the game alongside Notch?
and what she would have felt, the people who supported her started bullying her. That would be so heart breaking dude.
He deserved it.
I wonder what JTE is doing now
Edit. Thank you guys for the ton of likes
Yeah, it was actually kind of sad. If Notch was supporting what she was doing, what issue did the mods have with her? :/
If she hadn't been pushed off the Minecraft forums, she might have created an early Java version of realms with servers hosted directly by Mojang rather than through third-party server hosting websites like it is now.
Man, I wonder where JTE is now. Just really hope she's out there doing something great, because just this shows how much potential she has at creating.
she's still around, even made some comments in this video
How do we know it's a she? Just wondering...
@@dannyneufeld3364 they said in the video
she is still around, goes by the yt name catgirl
@@ThatsTypical bro I could not find it could you pls send any link
JTE wherever you are, if you somehow come across this video, we just want you to know how much we appreciate everything you've done for Minecraft ♥
VERY well put
Yup
mhm
Thanks. :3 I'm just a sad, small historical footnote, though.
@@JessieEchidna mhm
I've been playing Minecraft for nearly 10 years, and this is the first I have ever heard of JTE. Thank you so much for enlightening us and making her story known. She deserved so much better than what she got. The fact she put all that work in and pioneered one of Minecraft's most popular modes only to be bullied away by a couple of jumped-up forum admins is just heartbreaking. In my experience of the Minecraft forums, I must say the admins were despicable. They gave me infractions at every opportunity, and it got to the point where I swear they were targeting me. Esteemed users were often very rude to me, and if I stood up for myself, I wound up getting a 2-day ban while they got off scot-free. I am glad that forum went in the end. I hope those 2 mods feel thoroughly and utterly ashamed with themselves, and I hope JTE found success and the recognition she deserved in whatever she did after her early Minecraft work.
Damm your not fake your account was made in 2011
Good job mate
wow
Those 2 mods are self righteous Karens. May they roast on a spit.
@@Extremezotako As if TH-cam accounts have anything to do with Minecraft accounts
@@theorange1299 I mean tbf a lot of people watching minecraft videos are like 8-14 years old, and to them imagining someone playing MC in like 2010 already seems a bit crazy.
The irony is that the logic of JTE stealing customers from Notch is laughable considering the guys that ran the minecraft4free website managed to get away with it for two whole years before Notch asked them to take it down, and even went down to accept the pirates gauntlet of an online match in another multiplayer game as a condition to do so.
All of this story boils down to mod people being jealous of JTE's genius and not being able to replicate or even understand what she was doing at the time. Now she lives as the golden apple and in JTE's words, *"yet it still moves..."*
Thanks for sharing this bit of OG minecraft history. I left the game for a decade in early 2010 due to problems with griefers and stuff. JTE's cage design is exactly the one we also used in our server back in the day, before it was eventually defeated and we were droven away. Makes me sad to think all of the advances people like her could've done to put an end to the griefing epidemic that took the game hostage for half of its early life. Hope she's doing well and went on to keep on coding her own projects.
not just any multiplayer game, but quake 3
Damm your not actually faking it your account was made in 2006
Gotta love power-tripping mods/management who make people's lives hell just to make themselves feel "important" or whatever. It's pathetic
@@LilacMonarch The Curse of powertripping mods have never disappeared going to major community like Discord and Reddit.
when you’re so big brain people get mad because of it
It pisses me off that someone so influential was bullied off Minecraft by mods abusing their power when they had permission from the game’s creator.
No one knows what really happened and it seems like JTE wanted to sell what she made, and this is where it might become a bit more difficult. Keep in mind all of this happened 12 years ago so no one really knows what actually went down.
Given her talent and knowledge, she could have single handedly overtaken the entire server side of Minecraft, if not more - and looking at some of the mod responses it looks like she did plan to monetize them. Usually, these kind of things are nowadays done with paypal/patreon and just to support the creator, not to actually receive something. But if you build upon a game and then try to sell it, there are very different reactions. Especially if you can put your entire focus on one side that started becoming a lot more popular very soon after, while the dev has to take care of the entire game.
Her selling it for $10 each is not a definitive answer that it was planned, but that it was at least her reaction to the forum drama, and at worst planned like that from get go. $10 at that time is IIRC more than the actual game cost, which was around $5-7. And it might have been even worse, if the server doesnt even require Minecraft itself to be played on. I kind of doubt it, but its possible.
Either way, I can see where the clash could have come from, but who knows what happened.
moderators ruining everything for everyone,a tale as old as time
minecraft is always toxic
@@monke6912 ligma
It was just a small ragtag community forum in its infancy which had just scrapped itself together because Notch refused to manage an "official" one. It couldn't be helped.
Wow. In the infancy of the game's life, two moderators bullied a seriously talented and committed modder into quitting the scene for the grievance of making the game functional and more bearable to play in multiplayer. It's amazing the game got anywhere if the official forums were run by clown mods that formed instant beefs with anyone who they *assumed* had a slight disagreement with Notch.
It's awful. I hope they feel deeply regretful for what they did, and that JTE found success in what she went on to do after this without being hampered by a couple of jumped-up cunts.
Discord mods before discord
I mean...it is Notch. He's a pathetic man-child with a hate-on for literally anyone who isn't exactly like himself.
Notch refused to take up the responsibility to manage an "official" forums himself, since he was busy just working on the game, so all we had was the "Minecraft Community Forums", hosted and run by random fans. That moderator was literally just a 16 year old who happened to draw some half-decent pixel art Minecraft skins at the time; No one knew what they were doing, and that's okay.
Most moderators are usually incredibly autistic.
Dang, this sucks for her. I had no idea she existed until now. I am happy that you have told this story and gave her the recognition she deserved. After seeing this video I decided to see what I could find about her on Google, but I had to use some very specific wording to find information about her. I hope that she will eventually get all the recognition she deserves, these types of stories always find a way of surfacing some day and I hope that this one gets fully shown to everyone. Good job and thank you for helping her get the recognition she deserves.
JTE did absolutely nothing wrong. She helped to build and solidify the community. If it weren't for her, we wouldn't even have SMPs today and MC would be far less successful.
It's so sad that she was forced to leave the forums. Those forum moderators were horrible
Personally I wanna see the universe where she said fuck it and deleted her work and left, perhaps the community would be worse or non existent. Imagine those sweaty neckbeards horror!~
Sad to think what she could’ve added to the game if they brought her on as a member of the team.
If they treated creators like they do today....she'd be working side by side with people like gnebom...
As one of the Og Minecrafters, JTE is very well known before. Some of My friends even called him a god.
*her
@@themanwhowouldbebrick yea
@@themanwhowouldbebrick i will lose my heart if i edit so i cant
@@welpyes ok fair enough
Maybe thats why it's called God Apple
From now on i'm calling all Enchanted Golden Apples "JTE Apples" in honor of this Minecraft pioneer.
You will forget that in a day
@@Apple_Beshy lets see if they still remember
i completely forgot i was watching a video about the golden apple until you brought it up again
Man, I feel so bad that JTE isn't more talked about. Thank you for spreading her name! Hopefully she sees this video someday!
she already saw it! shes replied to a lot of comments already
@@hexogramd8430 That's awesome, thank you for letting me know!
Just before this video released I literally found an enchanted golden apple in a dungeon! What are the chances of that?? Can’t wait to watch this vid
What a coincidence!
nice
About 3-6% of the time
@@TheMisterEpic jeff
Dungeons have a 3.1% chance of spawning with an enchanted gap, so assuming every person who watched this video visited one dungeon recently, 1550 would've found an egap.
you deserve more recognition for reading an internet argument that happened more than 10 years ago just to make a video
I honestly feel bad for JTE. She didn't make Minecraft, but she helped make Minecraft what it is today.
Part of me wonders what the game would be like had she not been bullied off the forums
Without chat reporting system Probably XD
@@konstak05 why do you think that? Microsoft would’ve still bought the game
@@AshenDust_Notch only sold it because he thought that his life would be magically fixed by getting rid of it. Clearly, its gotten worse since.
Pfft it's both sad and funny to see people saying how JTE was stealing customers from Notch. I wonder who has more money and fame now, Notch or JTE? At least that means all the accusations against JTE are proven false.
To be fair, those accusations were made by a 16 year old who became forum moderator because they did pixel art.
Does kinda sting sometimes that I was already gone before the Mojang company even formed, Notch never spoke to me again, and I'm living on welfare. *shrug* It's fine.
@@JessieEchidna wait… are you JTE‽
@@JessieEchidna good luck with everything, JTE
@@JessieEchidna you should do paying gigs instead of sitting around modding things for fun.
@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 I would love to, but my magical programming superpowers come from a fickle autism that tends to make me burn-out and die whenever I really need to stay focused on something for more than a month. :'3
So I can't trust myself to be able to reliably deliver for a paid project, which is a real shame... I've tried.
Wow, I am so surprised that how JTE was pushed away from the community even though they were such a big influence...
He deserved it
ikr
The forums were ran by fans and moderated by fans (aka 16 yr olds) no-one knew what they were doing
@@FrostySnow1000 the minecraft fanbase was probably way less kids back in alpha
Poor JTE, she pioneered so much of Minecraft, and yet was persecuted unjustly. It'd be great if she could ever return, she didn't deserve being pushed out of the community. I'm glad her legacy can live on in the game through the golden apple.
Absolutely amazing story, sad ending tho. I remember playing on a server when grapples were still craftable, it was a sign of how powerful you were if you tons of them. Crazy how one of the most op items in the game spawned out of a joke
I wish Notch hadn't turned her down for help with network programming (ref: 8:50ish). As an Internet systems programmer my greatest beef with Minecraft is how terrible its networking is.
People have said JTE has seen this, wonder what it’s like to finally have your contributions to likely the most important game of the last decade finally recognized after so long? If you see this, being a beginner programmer and just starting learning networking and server stuff, you’ve got mad skills! You also likely made Antvenom’s career, while we’re at it.
Only OG will remember the time when enchanted gapple made out of apple and 8 block of gold
Yessss
Damm the good but gold old days😌 (OG minecrafter btw)
Man, I miss the good ol' days. Back when Minecraft was a passion project and not a billion-dollar corporate endeavor.
indeed
*Laughs in Play Older Versions*
This right here is why I steer clear of the forums. I feel bad that JTE was bullied off the community. Hopefully more and more people give her the recognition she deserves. It would be even better if Mojang themselves would give her the credit she deserves. Who knows? Maybe they will.
I never knew about JTE, even though she did all of this amazing stuff to pioneer the multiplayer environment... she's a living legend.
Absolutely fantastic to see historical content like this. I consider myself a veteran in the game having joined around late Alpha-early Beta but some of this info is way older. True deep lore!
Interesting to see that the Minecraft Forums staff was as pushy to make users feel unwelcome all that time ago too because I thought maybe it was just a recent thing.
I decided to leave there a couple years back after being given infractions a couple of times for apparently being too far off topic (usually for chats with The Master Caver user). Forums are typically a type of social media platform that consists of things called threads which naturally, you know, evolve over time. It's not like I was suddenly introducing wildly different topics either, but if you were posting ANYTHING but a direct response to the very initial post, then it felt like it was at a risk of not being welcome. After one of my posts was removed for this (which I felt wasn't even off topic), I figured the place wasn't worth it anymore. Good riddance.
All this was really the last straw after the forums underwent so many technical issues making it hard to use anyway, one which made pages super CPU heavy (on a rather fast CPU at the time) to edit longer posts, making me give up on maintaining the thread showing my world, and another that just... randomly made PMs never load, so I'd get PM notifications but lose access to my inbox for half a year at a time.
Glad to hear she stood up for herself, and got Golden Apples into the game for it, haha.
I've come across the master caver on the forums many times, seems very knowledgable about the game
@@TheMisterEpic He also has been playing the same MC version for 7 years, with a jar he has been modifying and distributing since then.
I remember getting a warning after responding to an user that asked a question related with the main topic there, I didn't know why either.
What's wrong with TheMasterCaver?
I’ve been playing since early 2011 and I’ve never heard of JTE before. It’s unbelievable how much she did for the community. I seriously don’t think Minecraft would have ever taken off like it did without her influence on the game, specifically with the multiplayer servers. Great video, I’m glad you shared this story.
I feel bad for JTE, I wonder how is she doing now. She definitely deserves more credit for her work
to think that one of the most powerful items in the game came from a joke
TheMisterEpic: "it regained some of its legendary status and it became extremely rare once more"
sb737: today we will find our 37th notch apple
Ah yes SB's 100 days
Well Sb did grind for it after all
*the penguin with too much luck*
lol
Those classic servers are one of the strongest forms of nostalgia for me. I remember playing those in 2011-2012 as a 6-7 year old. Undoubtedly some timeless stuff for me.
10:25 There is one instance recorded in history with the real Notch. In the Minecraft Manhunt with Dream, GeorgeNotFound, and Notch about 2 years ago, It was shown that Notch dropped an apple after Dream killed him, but it wasn't mentioned because of the heat of the moment in the episode. The line of code seemed to be re-added on a later version.
You know dream would add a plugin for that, just for the clickbait, don't you
@@TopchetoEU That's a good point since the possibility is there! Here is my cheesy theory. If Dream added the plugin, he would know that Notch dropped an apple and say a line of "the legends are true, he does drop an apple". But in the video, it's as if he didn't know about it, so it's also a possibility that he didn't add a plugin. I'd like to reiterate, my theory isn't based on solid evidence rather just a shallow observation, but my stance on the subject would be that Dream didn't add a plugin for it.
@@arenmee540 dream is a huge liar tho
He probably just had an apple in his inventory prior
@@mwang3875 I rewatched the footage, first Notch was mostly chopping birch trees. (birch trees don't drop apples), and even if he did chop oak trees, he'd at least have some saplings on his death (because oak saplings drop more frequently than apples). There is a possibility that Notch could have looted the village and received some apples there, but it's the same case wherein the same chest usually has saplings generating with it whenever an apple is in the chest.
Also when dropping multiple instances of an item, it appears in a stack form, but the apple in Notch's death was just a singular peice.
Now a counter to these arguments would be that #1 Notch could have just thrown out the saplings cause he needed inventory space #2 Dream was able to pickup 1 apple even with the circumstances stated above. So It's likely Notch could have been able to pickup a singular apple as well.
#3 manhunts are cut footage and single perspective, so Notch could gather stuff outside the screentime.
#4 the multiple instances appearing as a single item could be a setting on paper and spigot servers where in they combine multiple instances into a 1 singular entity.
The less nerdy and more joke way to perceive the event is that whether Notch had the apple in his inventory or not, technically the legend was true that Notch still dropped an apple on death.
We could only imagine how different the game would be now if only she had continued working with them. It’s sad how influential she could have been in the community, only to be forgotten.
So not only did she single handedly made a server that would lead to this community in the future also she gave the idea of 2 VERY helpful items in the entire game and she wasn't known to any of us at all she was even bullied off of the community. How sad reality can be sometimes I feel bad for JTE.(live your videos mister epic)
That's cancel culture for you
After watching some of your vids about minecraft in the past, I start to see how this game was brought to life by the players (not underappreciating the devs' hard work) and that may be why Mojang values the player community so much when it comes to updates and the like.
i know this video is old, but i remember jtes recipe list! ive looked for it multiple times over the years, but i could never find it and assumed it was just lost to time. the last time i used it was probably over a decade ago and i was pretty young, so i never had any details but you have confirmed it was real! this means so much to me (way more than it probably should haha) and i cant thank you enough!
In this game, a random block has a history. I swear.
I am a veteran of Minecraft I really hope a lot of new people see this the poor thing needs to be remembered for what they did and we should all be grateful for how they shaped Minecraft
my memory is super fuzzy but I remember one time back when mindcrack was still around Etho uploaded a video which had Notch logged into the server and I remember him dying in it, no idea if you can see him drop an apple at all or not though.
I don't know about Etho but I do remember an episode by docm77 in season 4 that featured notch and he died a couple of times. I thought it might have the footage but when I looked it up it sadly was already past 1.3 so he didn't drop the apple
@@snailymitch to add to that dinnerbone told doc he thought he had left that code in
Episode 43 of season 4 of mind mindcrack on docs channel
Even if I don't really play these minigames, I'm glad that JTE pioneered many features that exists in the game and many servers
this was really interesting. A long time ago, I heard about this, but never knew the details or the people involved. I just heard that some one was making a clone of the game, with customized options. Similar to how private servers came to be with other games. Didn't realize it was like this.
Honestly, it feels like JTE was probably pretty close to notch, close enough to make jokes, memes, and easter eggs. It really seems like JTE probably had way better understanding of running the code, but also really liked Notches concept. Notch IIRC just wanted people to play in a world where they can do anything. This story seems like JTE wanted to reinforce that idea and expand on it.
Really sucks she/he got bullied off the forums. Who knows though, maybe JTE always stuck around, and continued to work alongside notch. Maybe when windows did their aquisition, they probably wanted she/he to come along to. Might have changed names, or stays in the back quietly? Or maybe probably just plays the game on their own.
Dark side though, maybe what JTE unleashed is actually horrible. While not a free version of minecraft with more updates, but the server side options. Stuff that has made those dreadful p2w scam servers. Servers that are out to make money off of people, and not actually provide the experience notch intended.
I feel like there probably is more to this story, but since its so old, who actually knows what happens.
XD she intentionaly trolled notch! Im absolute Sure. Imagine notch being constantly killed before they told him about the wiki.
I require proof
Great video!
As a member of that community, I wish you would have made some small shoutout to ClassiCube which was used for much of the footage here, or at least put it in the description.
Loved the video, it was a lot more interesting than the title suggests, maybe a tweak is needed? I almost didn't watch and would have missed out on all that JTE stuff and the origin of server software. On that note, would love to see a history of Bukkit if you think it's interesting enough for a video!
minecraft was really a an outstanding game and it really always will be, it touched and changed so many people for years and will for many years to come and i’m glad we have people to record the history of this amazing community
"since there was no little book showing crafting recipes" made me feel old
JTE: "My server can handle lava floods."
Notch: "Is that right?"
It pisses me off that such a talented individual as JTE was bullied off minecraft by some forum users. I really hope she's doing well in life
I'm happy she has SOMETHING to say "You see that? I made that." in official Minecraft. She deserves it.
Wow, I can't believe that a couple of power high forum admins bullied somebody so incredible and influential out of the community. Truly despicable. I just can't even believe how somebody could be so unfulfilled in their own life that they harass a modder on somebody else's behalf when that somebody else made no mention that they didn't approve.
Thats why every game needs a mod support, there are so much people who have amazing ideas for mod that increase the games fun and popularity.
8:34 i genuinely forgot what the video was about
That video is awesome, thanks for teaching us that and making incredible videos, keep it up!
I missed the old golden apple texture theyre soo smooth looking
the bullying of JTE was the burning of the library of alexandria of minecraft
Incredible, please keep doing this.
It's amazing that even today like literally years and years later I learn more about Minecrafts past I though I knew a lot despite missing out till around 2017 when I finally could afford the game I had no idea about JTE at all but I am grateful for her contribution now though I wish the current heads of Minecraft could give proper recognition for her work on the game that helped shape it to what we have now in some shape or form
Actually 1.9 didn't nerf the Notch Apple, it made it WAY stronger, but removed its crafting recipe.
The Notch Apple's Regeneration IV (1.3.1 - 1.5.2) / V (1.6.1 - 1.8.9) healed 1 HP every 6 ticks and lasted 30 seconds (Adds up to 100HP healed)
1.9 Changed Regeneration V for 30 seconds to Regeneration II for 20 seconds, which only healed 1HP every 25 ticks and added up to just 16HP healed.
So no, 1.9 did nerf the Notch Apple.
*(The Regeneration change in 1.6.1 had in practice no effect as it was to counter a nerf to low levels of Regeneration, or in other words Regeneration V in 1.6.1 was the same as Regeneration IV in 1.5.2.)
Thank you JTE. THANK YOU. You did amazing work, I'm sorry those that were there for it turned you down. They didn't know what this have was going to turn into.
Man I hope this video helps encourage people to get Mojang to recognize the scope of jte's work upon Minecraft's mp community
i was so into the JTE story that i honestly forgot about the golden apple lmao
Seems like it would have been easier to just hire her and get her to officially help speed up Minecraft's development rather than let her be bullied off the forums
Someone in the comments said that JTE knows about this video, so to JTE, if you ever see this - thank you, first and foremost, for your contributions to this game in its earliest forms. I think everyone can agree that it wouldn't be the same without you. Second, I'm happy to say that the attitude towards modding and experimenting with the game has changed drastically since 2010. Modders are highly respected individuals (at this point, modders are often better-respected than Mojang devs, but that's another story). You laid the groundwork for all of the creative reinterpretations that mods allow, which have (in my opinion) kept the game alive for so long. Please know that if you should ever return to Minecraft modding, in whatever capacity, you would be welcomed with open arms.
I hope that whatever you're doing now is making you happy, and best of luck in all things.
No joke I found two god apples in one dungeon chest yesterday
It’s very interesting to me as a player who began her experience with Minecraft while survival was in its early Alpha phase. Seeing how completely different this 2009 multiplayer community was than the one I would end up interacting with from 2010. I had never heard of JTE, but it seems like she paved a way for a lot of stuff that would be forgotten even by the time I began.
0:46
"sus amogus"
LOL I didn't know Amogus was a thing back in 2010 xD
this is really new footage from the Betacraft and ClassiCube server ClassicalNuts
@@MyCisLife Figured
The only old server they actually showed was Au70, that's still on classicube.
@@bel37a yeah all the other ones are new
Tbf jte should have an entire page on the minecraft wiki as a testament to their legacy
JTE should start a TH-cam channel! I'd love to see what kind of magic she's able to do :D
She does have a channel although it’s just playing games
What should be on it? Mmm, I suppose I really should bother making "trailers" for the things I produce more often.
@@JessieEchidna hi
Dang, I knew of the “Notch drops apples” thing but didn’t know this other stuff, that’s pretty cool. I started a bit too late to learn about JTE I guess, since I started on Beta 1.5 in 2011. She sounds cool, her contributions to the game are great; sucks what happened to her on the forum, hope she’s doing good.
I’m *fairly* certain that a member of Mindcrack accidentally killed Notch when he joined them for a special several years ago, but I don’t remember what season it was.
This was the episode where Etho and Doc were finishing their perimeter and invited Notch on to finish off the last few blocks, if that helps
It was season 4 episode 43 on docs channel and no apple dropped but dinnerbone was surprised because he thought he left that code in
From what I remember early versions of modded even had lots of similar drama where mod devs wanted all the credit for their work and some modpack creators didnt give them that credit and a lot of drama happened because of that. Mainly Tekkit packs around 1.2.5-1.6.4 but apparently no one in mc wanted to work together to make something great they all wanted to have a piece of the cake.
Could have sworn, sometime around 2013 or 2014, I came across a youtube video that seemed genuine of Notch being killed on a server and dropping an apple. The video itself was definitely uploaded before then, and it looked like it was probably from beta era. All I remember of what actually happened in the video is Notch getting killed by the person recording and dropping an apple and then maybe saying something in chat. The part I most remember, for whatever reason, was the setting. They were inside a building made of white wool and there was a lower area with stairs leading down and a railing made of glass panes because there was a ledge.
Does anyone else remember seeing this video or know what I'm talking about? A part of me doubts this isn't just something I dreamed and this might just be a repeat of Body Harvest Moon, but the image is so vivid in my mind that I don't know if I could even have dreamt that.
maybe it was this video? th-cam.com/video/5fi3zkOgGlg/w-d-xo.html the setting at 5:30 does sound similar, and your brain mightve changed a bit of the details
@@scrhh It's not exactly what I remember, but my memory is so bad, this might be the video I saw. Thank you!
I have a friend who killed notch 11 years ago. Good times.
I actually found a golden apple in a chest the other day! Had no idea what it was though, so thank you for the informative video! So sad about JTE, some people can just be unnecarily mean.
Dream did actually make a video with Notch and killed him, but I don't thing he dropped an apple (the video is now unlisted because of people wanting to cancel Notch, but you can probably fine a re-upload)
Also the video was way after 1.3.1 but it's still kinda cool
I’m pretty sure he did drop an apple
you can see how he drops an apple for like 2 frames
Is that seriously why it was unlisted? Jeeeez. People are insufferable.
@@scriptrixdeo He literally talked about shooting trans people..
JTE did some amazing stuff in the SRB2 community back in the day too! Crazy to learn what they did for Minecraft as well. Genuinely hope they are doing well
It's funny how not got mad at the girl for doing his job way better than he did
jte is a trans dude
Seeing the Super Duper Graphics Pack screenshot being used in the thumbnail hits the feels. Wonder if we'll ever see console shaders, it looked so good.
I played when it was craftable left the game for a 3 years came back and figured out I couldn’t craft it anymore :(
JTE should get a mention in the end credits because MC would've DIED without her (or him)
JTE, a true legend 👏
8:09 lmao that banner is the most 2009 thing ever
So we most likely missed on a giant super server because of some toxic forum mods... nice.
It would be awesome to have JTE do an interview, or if she would join Mojang to work on new MC updates.
I thought I recalled Notch dropping an apple in the video that Dream, of all people, made about the manhunt with Notch.
unfortunately he deleted the vid
@@JustAnotherTH-camCommenter there is a reupload
Ngl I forgot i was watching a video about the golden apple, until you mentioned it again
Amazing work
1:45 "sus amongus" in 2009 server. is this guy time traveler?
At the end of the video when you mentioned there was no well known game footage of Notch dropping an Apple when he died, look at Dreams manhunt video when they collaborated with Notch. In the video, you can clearly see he drops an Apple when he dies.
JTE, if you see this, remember that your contributions payed off
I vividly remember the days of Classic MC... the nostalgia really hits hard and I no longer recognize the game and the community. Which I guess it's just the way things happen in such a long time.
"Nobody has killed notch in game"
Apparently Dream did a manhunt thing with Notch and killed him there
he accually dropped an apple
@@spottynaughty I remember people saying that it was coded to do that I only remember this because it was around when I stopped watching him
@@realo3503 that could be true
The notch apple code was removed before then. They modded it back in
I’ve heard Minecraft’s origin story probably hundreds of times over the years, and not once had JTE ever been mentioned. I can’t believe this is the first time I’m hearing about her. So cool to hear about the contributions she made to the game. Sucks that she got bullied off of the forums though. I hope she’s now aware of the community’s respect for her. A literal Minecraft legend.
She girlbossed too close to the sun 😔
Jte deserves to be remembered she did so much for the game she was way better than notch
notch apple was added in 1.3
in 1.0.0 the golden apple just received an enchanted gloss to it
I can't believe that almost 8 years of playing Minecraft I've never heard of her! She was just... Ahead of time if I can that. XD
It's so unfortunate that she had to go all of that in the past and haven't gotten recognition for her doings, so good to hear about this!
Thanks JTE for your contributions for Minecraft and the community, also thanks to MisterEpic for letting me know about you. Hope you all are having a wonderful day! 😁
It’s hard to get back into Minecraft
I feel like I’ve lost the enthusiasm and energy to play it
No friends who are online to play with
Bad internet on multiplayer servers
I don’t know what to do anymore:(
Don't worry bro. Move on to some other games instead. If not enjoying it you can't force yourself to enjoy it. Sooner or later, you would miss playing minecraft and want to play it again. Just give yourself some time alright?
@@mhausage3454 you are right
Thanks for opening my eyes
I’m just gonna stick to what I enjoy
I want to make videos I enjoy but I’m forced to make ones that I absolutely despise
I will go in my direction
At least I will be happy that way:)