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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ม.ค. 2020
- In this detailed interview, The Wire's M.K. Venu speaks with writer, academic and political commentator Purushottam Agrawal on his latest book, 'Who is Bharat Mata? Agrawal, in his book, talks about the 'middle path' that Jawaharlal Nehru followed in shaping the idea of India. M.K. Venu and Agrawal also talk about the ongoing anti-CAA protests across the country and its refection on the Indian society.
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Nehru was centre around which all great leaders gathered and built this beautiful country with a beautiful constitution. Like any other human and leader he and others have made mistake, but we as a society has let down his vision. criticize but not hate, his contributions are way way more than his mistakes. Nehru's contribution can never be forgotten.
Hindu rate of growth, taking Kashmir to the United Nations, turning down permanent seat offer to the UNSC (with veto), Hindi-Chini bhai bhai and then losing half of Ladakh....Soviet socialist model... distrust and almost killing the capitalist class, license raj days - Modi had to cut his arm off to undo these suicide attempts.
I wish to forget this guy.You have misinterpreted .Mr. Neharu is not democratically elected leader rather he was forced candidate for PMship.
Had there was a Sanghi after 1947 as PM, they would have turned India as a mirror image of Pakistan.
Good bro, let's go back in time
@scorcher man m.timesofindia.com/home/sunday-times/deep-focus/The-Nehru-you-dont-know/amp_articleshow/52273186.cms
Read this article to see how you're being fooled.
Nehru did a lot of things wrong but feeding you this unimportant info by the fake news machinery is for RW propaganda.
@@alterego1362 If you read those nonsense magazines or newspapers, then who else's to blame
@@saibap1378 what is your response in reference to? Can you elaborate?
A hindu rashtra would have been a lot better than a secular nation. At least we didn't have to put up with Zakir Naik, Owaisi, Afzal guru, Umar Khalid, and Sharjeel Imam. Country would have been more prosperous and developed. Massacre in Kashmir wouldn't have occurred. Congress would have worked towards development rather than creating votebank. Above all, we didn't have to put up with home grown terrorism.
Outstanding interview M. K. Venu ji. An absolute privilege to hear Prof. Purushottam Agrawal ji, especially hearing him speak of Panditji speaks volume of his commitment to Nehruvian ideology and a clear in depth understanding of Nehru's outlook on so many aspects. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks The Wire team.
God, MK Venu does not let the man speak his thoughts. He constantly interrupts and tries to get in more words than the guest. Let the man speak, he knows more about this subject than Venu.
Peter Mundackal: I have read the "Who is Bharat Mata" and wrote an article about it in the "Indian Currents". I am so glad to note there are still so many from the majority community who are for a plural, inclusive India. Nehru's adoption of the middle path is the unique and striking quality about him.
They said India is Indira and vice versa. Modi is following in her footsteps! Or trying very hard. In reality Nehru is the soul of India. Most Indians follow the Nehruvian model without realising it. This bothers the right wing. That they are unable to banish the man from the firmament. But such has been the agenda always. Even the best of them like Vajpayee resented the shadow of Nehru and avoided praising him as far as possible. But he was a decent PM because he did not abuse or criticize his predecessors. Modi has heaped abuse on Rajiv Gandhi in the last general election. Why??
You are right even today it is Nehru who stands tall as real India
Actually Vajpayee also deeply respected Nehru and that was the reason That Sangh didn't moved booth workers in 2004 elections
@Shashwat mishra This is only false narrative. Go in depth and search more documents then you will understand.
@Shashwat mishra try to know the real reason why nehru stopped army further to go for pok.
@Shashwat mishra 371 was also given to north east states.
As a proud Nehruvian, I have such high appreciation for such interviews. It is always a pleasure to listen from proper historians about Nehru. Thanks Wire.
Criticise Nehru because you cannot criticise your real "enemy" Ambedkar and lose votes.
Exactly, right wingers cannot comprehend what contribution Nehru/Gandhi has for hinduism. Both feared Ambedkar to their bones and they made all the possible amendments in their approach to not to let Ambedkar take the driving seat. Todays brahmanvaad has roots in their dual approach towards hinduism and its traditions.
Have u read , " Pakistan or partition of India" ? Don't do propaganda about Dr ambedkar .
Simply one of the best discussions I have listened to in a long time now in the recent times . So proud that the professor says that not all is still lost and the innate inclusiveness of India can be not lost if we all accept that the right majority has won the battle of thoughts of hindutva but if we recailm with truth we can win the war of patriotic India of its great secular victory
Despite being a Kashmiri Pandit, he did not join RSS !
It's all about intellect...if you're intellect is narrow than you will join violent conservatives...and if you are enlightened ,doesn't matter what your caste is you'll never an organisation like rss ,infact almost all communist leaders of India were brahmins
@sanchit Koul oh !
Nehru ji s real surname is Koul ... 😀 This I learned today 👌
@sanchit Koul oh .... U only have knowledge ....Nehru was an idiot . read Dr ambedkar , his" Pakistan or partition of India ". Saari Buddhi ....smjh aajayegi ....
He was neither foolish nor mad.
@sanchit Koul this is not my personal I'd . " say mishra ji" just because of caste ....I can't support that commie . He never said himself kashmiri , he always said himself "u.p born " He asked votes for election in u.p by calling himself u.p'son . can't forget his "socialism" . Gandhi's Muslim appeasement was responsible for the partition of India . Plzzz. Read Dr ambedkar's book on "Pakistan or partition of India " .
Nehru- the only India political leader post independence whom I love to understand always but still feel short of. ❤️
I thank Modi and Sanghis for bringing up Nehru again and again in today's discourse. Without this, I would never have gone on a spree of learning about Nehru and his vision. The more I learn about Nehru, the more I've grown to admire the legend and his tallness. No wonder he still bothers Modi. Pygmies!
Could you guys share any more interviews/podcasts/debates about Nehru?
You can go through Ramchandra Guha's verdicts on Nehru
At times, Venu Ji is unnecessarily interrupting Purushottam Ji. Otherwise conversation is very good. 🙁🙏👍
ये कैसा (संघ) परिवार है जिसमे केवल पुरुष ही हैं...
ऐसे पुरुष जो डर से इंदिरा गाँधी का नाम नहीं लेते ?
Narayan Sahab ye rastra ke Nam pr satta hasil Karne shazish hy.60sal me cong.ne Jo desh Ka Vikas Kiya ye use hi deshdrohi Kahna shuru kr Diya ab unke liye b.j.p. ke supporter hi deshbhakt hy
@@pharmaworld3966 BJP is the real TUKDE TUKDE GANG and BHAKTHS are Deshdrohis.
Abe चमन राष्ट्र सेविका समिति महिला कांग्रेस्स के बड़ा दल है । पप्पू मूत्र कोला पीकर पगला गया है क्या?
@@saraltrader6805
abe akl ke tapedik... sanskaari ullu !
pehle apni auraton ko shikshit bana...
phir samiti... paidaishi dharmandh !
Agrawal ji is real intellectual
We had the good sense in the civilised culture sense 80 yrs ago and how terribly we have fallen.We have degraded all those institutions like NID ,NSD, Lalit Kala IIT, which were created for our mental and spiritual vikaas! Why are we so hell bent on destroying our multi culture and vibrant diversity . Today since Mallika Sarabhsi was supposed to be the chief guest at NID anniversary , it was postponed ( cancelled)
We modernised due to Nehru not just aping the west but also keeping our indianness. See how Modiji also aspires to wear Nehru’s style of clothes !
Please don't interrupt so often. Would have liked to hear Mr Agarwal finish his thoughts.
very annoying to watch as the interviewer kept answering his own questions!
Mr. Venu you are disturbing sri Purushottam ji...its like a teacher is in full flow and a first bencher disturbs him thinking that he is as intelligent as the teacher.
I wanted to watch a film on nehru.
That man is really a fascinating character.
U said my mind ..I wanted a grand film on him ..like one on Abraham Lincoln
NEHRU IS GREAT.
.....great in womanizing, drinking, lying, etc, etc. This great man could not even pass the exam in UK, do you know that !!!!.
BRAHMANISM = EXTREMISM
(Example, BJP/RSS/VHP)
@Pichkalu Pappita Abay Gobar Dimag! Brahmin kahin bhi ho, chahe BJP ya Congress; Brahmanism hamesha hoti hai Extremism. Brahmin, extremist hotay hain. Is liye Bharat aur sari duniya se Brahmanism khatm karni chahiyye. Make India and the world, Casteless Society. Then only all human beings will prosper.
@@Sunshine-oq4vf are Brahmins extremists or Brahmanism extremist???
I think Cambridge gave Nehru a mind of free thinking and any mind who thinks freely Will try to solve any kind of problem with a scientific approach. His efforts to make India a prosperous nation is commendable .
I want to a BIG THANKYOU from the bottom of my heart for bringing this free Thinker who brought freedom in India with Honorable Mahatma Gandhi Ji 💐
M K Venu is a good journalist. Good to read and listen to him; but his skill at interviewing leaves much to be desired. He forgets who is interviewing whom ? Wish he would watch this interview and learn from it.
Nand Kumar Raghunathan agreed he’s so annoying
Good dalla journalist.... Bloody corrupts nira radia
M.K.Venu is good journalist.. But he spoiled the whole conversation
Brilliant conversation. I might just buy this book!!!
Sir ko pranaam 🙏
Nehru's letters to his Dad from Eaton are most incisive in understanding this Genius. Knowledge,love of learning are Indian virtues.
Very good & fruitful discussion it open your eye
Until today , building a great image of India and an idea of India was great contribution of Nehru . Nehru was a great intellectual and a writer as well as a politician . Very few politicians have these qualities together . Today reaction of Nehruian India has just begun and If Indian intellectuals failed to defend Nehruian India , it will no doubt becomes very much like Pakistani regressive state .
Javed, it had really become. The incident of pistol firing on Delhi yesterday proves that
Sanjeev Prasad Vince violence enters in to indian society , it will never leave Indian society . Pakistani society is being copied by Indian ruling party right now . It is very dangerous and Pakistanis are trying to come out it but they fail again and again . Religion and money is being handed over to politicians then do not expect they are not going to use it against common masses
Modi rocks you mean Religion is Indian civilization? What religion has to do with civilization? Mostly Indians do not even know what is difference between civilization and religion , culture and religion . Hinduism is a slavery and myth not a civilization.
It's even worse than Pakistan.. Look what happen in most of the country..
@Modi rocks that's problem arise ..mindser you are in..you are deeply brainwash by RSS and bajarang dal.. In watever organisation you are in..
Hindu word itlself come from sindhu..
Sindhu is in Pakistan now..
It's way of life just bullshit..and you are proud of your culture .. At what extend you go for to make it proud. Just except reality sometime it's just another religion..religion is nothing but set of rules to sustain materialistic world .
And Islam Christianity are nothing but same. They have different rules to sustain materialistic world..
bharat ek khoj---nehru ji,,
bharat ek mauj---modi chee,,
bhakt ek gali-galauj!
@@kumarnarayana5105
bhakt ek suwaron ki fauj,,,
@@kumarnarayana5105 th-cam.com/video/4RoqbIOqxkg/w-d-xo.html
maine dekha... bohot bura hua hai !
@@kumarnarayana5105
majboor police,, lachaar police
Hello Purushottamji,
There is a considerable skew in the capabilities of the right wing, centre and left wing. The right wing has a massive organization like the RSS. How it grew so big and where do they get their funds is another discussion. The discourse of the right wing is now overpowering any centrist secular options. The literal mapping of RSS on to BJP and a similar setup not existing on the otehr sides is very concerning. Which is that organization or combo or organization that will fight the battle of keeping India liberal, secular and progressive is a question.
At an individual level you are doing this to a large extent. However competing with the right wing might is a challenge which individuals cannot take up successfully.
As a party the Congress needs to really really reinvent itself to take on this continous assault on the liberal and progressive India.
Let us not forget that in the polity of Nations if India has to stand up with pride, we need to be a liberal progressive democratic country. People might quote china as an example. However China is not successful in earning world respect in anything other than being a world manufacturing hub and money and brute power which the world is now resisting. A majoritarian India cannot earn world respect.
Great Interview.
Salute you Mr. Agarwal sir for clear thoughts.
Also Mr. Venu fir conducting the interview.
Expect to see more Mr. Agarwal,s vireos.
If you defend nehru's legacy, then you are saving India that dream of India socialist , republic & secular India.
Prof Purushottam, is respected by scholars and students of journalism and political history. Salutes.
I have read this book.It must be made available in Hindi because it's in Hindi speaking states that there's maximum propoganda against Nehru.I request Mr Purushottam Agarwal to hear my request.
@scorcher man WhatsApp Graduate, Congrats!
@scorcher man so why don't you mention the source and credible publishing house. Further, you don't have guts to mention your true identity. However, next time you will get Goenka Journalism award for this excellent investigative journalism. I pity on future of youth like who didn't get jobs or quality education and now need such trolling for daily earning. Even now you can join good institute and start studying. If nothing do something from IGnOU and make a decent earning.
@scorcher man really really trying not to stoop to your level ! Use YOUR brains at least once in your life!!
@scorcher man Sicko ! Get some psychiatric treatment
@@sanjeevprasad1748 The sicko is not worth our time and wisdom....i think
Mr. Venu could have been a little more non interrupting..it is irritating
क्योंकि नेहरू जी ने सारे संघीयों को नपुंसकता की दवा जो खिलाई उसका असर आज भी कायम है..... 😂🤣😂🤣😂
jo dar se, chup kar bhi. indira gandhi ka naam nahi lete !
To tu kaise hua???
Nehru ke napusanta nahi chatukatita gandi parivar jiska natiza rahul gandhi
Nehryji ko saari duniya jaanti hai woh world leader the. He wrote beautiful books like..... Glimpses of the world, Discovery of india with scientific thought.
Waiting for this book..
MK Venu, we know you read the book. When your interviewing the writer can we just listen to him without your knowledge of his book aith your interjections. Do you see the video of your interview? Allow the guy to put in a few sentences of his own without interjections.
MAke short pointed questions without describing the question please. just ask the bloody questions and get the blimming answer.
Will there be a Hindi edition soon?
Mr. Venu, could you please let your interviewee speak more, and interrupt him/her less, please ?
Very informative & sane discussion...... rare to hear such discussions these days. Thanks for posting such good stuff.
The interviewer did not do his research of the book well. He was nervous at being caught out. Mr. Purushottam's knowledge is above par. Will have to read his book
I have read the book and it is really a balanced view on Nehru and Nehruvian idea of India. The man had many 'flaws' according to today's India but, he was well versed in lot of subjects like philosophy, world history and even ancient history. We are lucky to have a PM who had the guts to criticise himself under a pen name or else we would have been under constant police watch and authoritarian institutions. Its a very good read.
Venu, you need to update your interviewing skills please. Ask a good question to the interviewee and let the person answer | share his or her thoughts | rationale for the benefit of the viewer(s)
Often I wonder, why so many journalists of our times suffer from “studied silence anxiety”?
Being able to respectfully and quietly receive other’s point of view | answers | thoughts is no sign of weakness; in fact, it is the sign of maturity | humility | curiosity | curtesy | wisdom | courage and character
Wish you well always,
Regards,
Satya Chari
Venuji kindly refrain from interrupting it really disturbs the thought process. More than a interview it seems like you are advancing a personal conversation. Can understand your enthusiasm as the subject is very interesting but it does not bode well for the interview.
38:00 I find it hard today to expect that we as a society can reach any point of mutual respect with anyone despite differences bcz for that you have to have immense humility. A society, where chest-thumping and demagoguery is commonplace that's hard to achieve.
Thank you Wire
Nehru is truly soul of India. Whatever, people say we were lucky to have him as our first PM.
Venuji how can you expect from present bharatiya jaahilon ki party that they are enlightened 😂😁😀😄😃
Why does the interviewer has to speak so much ? And not just ask questions. Very disappointing, continuously interrupting the author. Grow up
proff.clearly explained about nehru and his idea
Mr Venu, please let the guest finish speaking before jumping in constantly.
The best and revolutionary site
He was anglophile, elite and idealistic
The interviewer is constantly interrupting and not letting Purushottam ji complete himself
The inteviewer needs to allow the other to speak. It's an art.
Simply put Nehru gave us some kind of stability, prevented civil war in a poor country and did not let a famine happen. He loosely joined the Soviet camp and imported the socialism style planning model. These kept us alive but resulted in license permit raj, public sector inefficiencies and made us a solidly 3rd world country. He sat with Jinnah and signed to partition India, then taught the Hindus secularism and gave half of Ladakh to China. So in balance - not a disaster but not challenging the Hindu gods either in stature.
Venu good person on the show today. Enjoyed. Just wanted you to know i was thinking of checking the counters as to how much time you spoke and the guest spoke
Where Is will get this book, pleases.
@@pharmaworld3966 Toh kya Godse ke bade me padenge.
Who is barat mata , barat mata is the land , on which you live , love it as a your mother
I am going to buy this book.
Rightly explained that rise of bjp & rss has been because of their dedicated efforts in moulding the mood of people in favour of their definition of nationalism and secularism,and failure of Congress & other parties in keeping alive the actual meaning.As a matter of fact,the Congress got busy in enjoying the benefit of power for a very long period and allowed rss ideology to flourish knowingly or unknowingly over the years resulting into present day scenarios .Hope from congress seems to be dismal.
This professor is a *GEM*
YOU have said it ! Don’t you think if we keep religion as a private thing to be practiced at home chosen by an individual after the age of 18 yrs , we would be able to keep our unique ness that India was snd hopefully will remain . I will read your Hindi versmion of the book .
And I don’t think people like jaggi vasudev Or Ram dev must propagate a thought process . (Why not Christian Jain Buddhist and Islam then) therefore make education better , not destroy or demolish our rich history so that people begin to think by themselves . Thanks Purishottamji
M K Venu loves to waffle, like a blabbermouth. Wish someone had corrected this behaviour of his. Venu is basically a good person, who comes across as a buffoon. Prof Agarwal talks sense, and is a pleasure to listen to. Regards
agree.. he is a very bad interviewer... he keeps on interjecting..
god damn it @MKVenu, let the man talk. He has a lot more to say on this subject. Let him talk.
Venu ji please interrupt less next time. Otherwise, great interview.
We have to think as Indian citizens in order to challenge unjust laws and policies today. Thinking in terms of Divisive identities along lines of narrow religious ideologies is suicidal. Let us be rational. Kamlesh Mohan Punjab University
Listen to this great scholar and learn some lessons, Modi bhakts ! ====== Matts'
Patel was the part of pro-hindutva lobby of the Congress & ultimately his views, not of Nehru prevailed about issues like Kashmir, Hindu Code Bill and the First President prevailed, as Nehru wanted C.Rajgoalachari to be the president, but pro-hindutva lobby won and Dr. Rajendra Prasad became the president, who went to inaugurate the refurbished Somnath Temple that Nehru didn't like at all!
Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru was such personality that Right wing could never understood him or his contribution to build modern India . In fact, by accusing or blaming his with out any iota of truth is their narrow understanding of History or rather indicating their shallowness.
I wanted to hear what Mr. Purushottam had to say about the role of Ramdev, ShriShri Ravi and Sadhguru in bringing religion from the personal space to the public space. The interviewer did not allow him to do so.
Good 👍👍👍👍
Great
Mr. Venu, Please stop butting in and let Mr. Aggarwal complete what he wants to say🤯
A true review.
Jo hai sangh parivar vo hai desh ka sab se bada gaddar.
It should be in hindi also
wonderful conversation. Decided to buy a copy of the book. So much of myths and fake stories are peddled by right wing party about Pandit Ji
Now Rs 5 lakh bond imposed on cleric for nod to Chalisa recital at UP mosque. The decision to allow a Hanuman Chalisa recital inside a mosque has led to strong pushback from the mosque and the administration at a village in Baghpat. The cleric who had granted permission has been asked to go and both he and the person who played it have been challanned with Rs 5-lakh personal bonds each. The village, Vinaypur, is home to about 8,000. On Tuesday, Manu Pal Bansal played the Hanuman Chalisa inside the local mosque with permission from the cleric, Ali Hasan. Bansal is national vice-president of an organisation that has been seeking population control laws, Jansankhya Samadhan Foundation. He live-streamed the video, in which the Hanuman Chalisa is playing with just him in attendance at the mosque. The day he held the recital, neither police nor the local administration took any action. The mosque’s managing committee, too, did not approve but did not stop Bansal that day. Hasan said, “He came to me with a request to sit inside the mosque. How could I say no? Everyone is allowed to be in god’s presence.”
m.timesofindia.com/videos/city/lucknow/hanuman-chalisa-in-mosque-5-lakh-bond-imposed-on-cleric-in-up/videoshow/79075350.cms
Great book
Mr Venu, hold your reins. Too much interruption spoils the Interview!
Venu do not interrupt.
It’s unfortunate that people use selective quotes from legacy to propagate an idea
71 dislikes from BJP IT cell.
Interviwer needs to be more preapred and organised. Horribly long unframed questions and he keeps unecessarily interjecting the Guest. At times he also frames the idea of the response for the guest in the questions!
Sangh Parivar dislikes Nehru, if as he took initiative to divide India to satisfy the greed of Muslims and its leader Jinna. Twenty years back when Rajaji advised Congress to endorse Pakistan demand for partition Nehru adamantly argued for Rajaji's dismissal
Man just shup up and let him speak. It was so annoying when the presenter kept on interrupting in between.
Thank you for interview but the interviewer interrupted too much.
Hindi me b show krna chahiye apko taki jyada log jan ske
Modi wants to be as great as Nehru but he doesnt realize that in order to do that he has to rise above the norm, and do great things like Nehru. And this cant be achieved by pointing fingers and demeaning Nehru.
Too late..he will be in the sewers of history
Irritated with the constant interruptions by the interviewer. Please let your guest speak. He had a lot to say and you interrupted too frequently and broke his tempo.
Are guru ji hindi main hi baat kr lete agar itni dikkat ho rahi thi English main too...😂😂 Overall good work wire keep the real news alive
21:30 19:50
Nehru was one of the greatest leaders of the world
Present king of India
Will one overtake hitler
It is well known that people often 'hate' most what they long for, what they long to be. The Sangh Parivar's hatred of Nehru could in fact be concealed admiration.
34:10
Did not like the i repeated interruptions otherwise an enlightening talk by the scholar Professor. Await more such talk from him
Can’t compare Nehru with the present day leaders .