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Did the Detroit Red Wings get better this offseason?
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I want to see an increase in Cats goals this season, he’s got to stop hitting the post. Kane will add more goals I think, maybe around 30. It comes down to Raymond’s ceiling and how much Senko brings. Either way, I am excited. Let’s go Wings!
"He's got to stop hitting the post". Oh, please.
I think upgrading the team's consistency is every bit as important as upgrading talent. If Larkin goes down this year they can't punk out.
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Kane's gonna add goals, Tarasenko's going to add goals, and Compher's goals will go up too.
Depending on who feeds the other I can see one of Kane and Tarasenko shooting first and then you have to be careful of higher expectations of the two and Compher because the team was healthy last season except for a couple injuries that were not long before Larkin was out. I can see more injuries this season and I don’t see that they are better than last season especially if Bergs is traded and who takes over and he is beat out by a different Prospect plus Johansson can get beat out but he might be because of contract situation. I think SY needs to get rid of a DMan or waive him.
@@DTA555. Kane will be better simply by being here from the start of the season.
Kane is also a playaker and not just a shooter so it is safe to say Comphers numbers do go up an having another shooter in Tarasenko compliments that as well.
Bergs has no bearing on how good the Wings will be overall.
There obviously has to be movement on the defense since they have too many defensemen with 8 including Edvinsson and Johanson.
Johanson is out of options.
I think they got better but it also takes time for the players to get use to playing with each other and also learning a new coach and how his system works so most of the team should be more comfortable and I think it should show this year
LaLonde isn't necessarily new...this will be his 3rd season
get *used to
@@goodfella8143 I believe he is referring to the newly acquired players.
Plus Larkin right? Raymond Tarasenko and Dylan are proven scorers.
Talbot will be the #1 goalie but he will play around 45 games.
I agree - I don't see Husso being on the team by the end of the year .
@@pjpredhomme7699Joe veleno being in arbitration opens a second buyout window for 4m+ contracts. Husso has 4.75m
@@cptbluehawk57 Don't forget the logjam on defense with 8 NHL defensemen.
@cptbluehawk574 if we were going to move husso I'd expect Steve to put him on waivers b4 that buyout window opens. At least try to lose him for free instead of repeating the walman move
@@RealMcCoy0205 most of the defense contracts that are horrible (holl, petry) are under 4 mil. I think chiarot is over 4m but I think he looked good on the first pair with seider
I'd say we got younger in key areas and that comes with some disadvantages as well as advantages. All in all id say we got better. Finally get to see them younglings.
The top four teams in the Atlantic are getting older and I agree with both of you. We need to see the youth play. That's the answer to the verdict point. The Wings can internally balance out youth and veteran experience, while their opponents and rivals can't do that.
The Wings have the number one prospect pool. Let's get back to the playoffs and do it with Yzerplan.
One plus is that they usually get off to a great start to the season. They have so many guys competing for spots that their game is elevated early.
Have to sustain it though. Those wild swings aren't what playoff teams do.
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Larkin out really affected the team also
I'm sure it will happen again next season just like it has the last two seasons. The dude is a good player but he's so injury prone.
We need a bonafide 1C to keep up the pace when, not if, he gets injured.
@@mgcgrozit He was the only player that could carry the puck into the offensive zone - when he was out - they had no way to set up offense in the other team's zone. pretty pathetic.
@@mgcgrozit You'd be hard-pressed to find a guy who isn't prone to injury when his neck is violently assaulted by a stiff carbon fiber stick every 9-12 months. Maybe if shameless goons didn't have an established habit of blatantly headhunting him he wouldn't be injured so often.
@@mgcgrozitany 1C is going to get injured by getting hit in the face and neck every single year... He was literally knocked unconscious last year lol
I think that was more of a mental let down than an actual talent let down when Larkin went down.
Why not just throw caution to the wind and put Edvinson with Seider?
I bet we see them try it out in pre season games. But to do that in the regular season, they will have to trust the 2nd and 3rd pairs to take on some more difficult match ups. I don't think they will have Ed face the same usage Mo got last year.
Gustafson might be a huge steal
Hearing what Kane had to say about him definitely inspires confidence.
If it’s debatable, then they’re definitely on the bubble. It depends how other teams do as well. The five-team jam at the end of the season could swing either way this year. Hopefully they’re in a clearer spot at the deadline and can be buyers of a big piece, like a stud goalie.
Debrincat will hopefully improve - seemed like he missed so many finishing chances in the games I watched - just don’t think that will happen again and hopefully he is more dialed in.
Kaner should improve given health improvement.
Expecting big things from the youngsters and slight improvement from the new additions.
In net could be an improvement.
Coaching is the same.
To me - so much depends on Larkin’s health. If he is a little healthier this year then they should make the playoffs.
You guys should do a segment on off season divisional rival comparisons. Who is falling/rising. Always good thoughts guys - thanks for what you do!
Center depth is still horrible unless Danielson is the 2c
It can be either Danielson, Kasper who is NHL ready and Mazur. I would like to see 9 games and if one is struggling then you can send them down. But we don’t know what we have especially with them playing in the AHL with less talent.
I'm trusting yzerman right now there has been improvement every year since he became GM. I think there will be a 3 to 5 point improvement with a playoff first round knock out in 6 games.
Kane coming back is great. While Peron was solid, he really slowed down this year and it was a good move to get rid of him. I think the wings will definitely be as good, if not better this year and have a great chance to make the playoff
I still feel Stevie has something cooking to move Holl.
We’ll see.
Moving your #7 d-man doesn’t require cooking. Cooking up something would require acquiring pieces that Holl isn’t going to get you.
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He’s got something in his contract that would require an additional move in order to get around it. Or so I heard. 🤷🏻♂️
Not sure how people arnt looking at goals against for these goal scorer’s. Ghost, Perron, fabbri, Walman was -43 for the year.
Forwards: slight improvement
- Cat goal total will go up
- Raymond improved development hoping 85 points
- Kane increase games and goals hopefully
-Senko hopefully adding 25g
-Compher with better supporting cast
- bottom 6 will regress (hopefully due to young guys cracking the roster).
- burgers will play bigger role
Defense: Slight regression
- younger core with Simon edvinsson
- goals lost with ghost
- petry and holl still in question
- Petry will be better this year
- Al Jo hopefully to get 35-50 games ( probably will be catching up to speed)
- no serious improvement to lock down D pairings.
Goaltending: Not a clue
- what can I even say
- good luck cam talbot
Overall: Slight improvement
- expect +4 point total in standings
- GAA down
- GFA down
- future looking bright
- set up for longevity of success in a year or two rather than a flash in the pan
If the defense is actually better they'll make it for sure. If it isn't they won't. Offense will still be potent with a full season of Kane and adding Senko. They still need a #2 center though and a top D man. They're a cusp playoff team at best right now. The east is going to be better. Need around 95 pts probably to get in.
Sitting on a ton of cap space and several months to still make a big signing… I’m not buying management thinking they’ll fill this roster out with a bunch of our young prospects. Which currently as we sit id think some of these young guys would have to round out the forward grouping. Something is cooking
Copp also had a subpar year; we could expect another 10 or so goals from him.
Hopefully the Wings will have a better record this year than last years.
Wings need to do this season what they should have done last season...get the kids on the ice getting experience. Can Yzerman get lucky and find ways to get out of bad contracts like Petry, Holl, Husso? Of course, Copp is the worst and would need a miracle to find a way out of that one.
They need to earn ice time and not just be given ice time.
This fallacy that you need to give them experience is bs, they need to earn it.
I’d say we have to weigh in whether or not we want veleno to come back and play 4C or Danielson makes the team and plays 3C with Copp, Fischer, Rass as your shut down line, Danielson could potentially be the two way center men we need, he was on the final cuts of last seasons camp, don’t count out Danielson, I’d say if Kasper doesn’t show out in camp, Danielson is a lock to make the team, he’s too good on both sides of the puck to at least give him a 25 game look because we can send him back down without putting him thru waivers, this forward core is a lot better offensively when you consider the improvements on the 200 foot style yzerman likes. Watch for Danielson to shock the nhl world, make the team and stay, I think it’s so unfair that we don’t talk about Danielson enough, he is gonna come in and shock everyone
they need to make another trade. Kane on a 1 year deal HAS to mean that were making a playoff push this year.
The difference makers will be if our young players are NHL ready and Lalonde. If the prospects, Edvinsson and Berggren all contribute more than they detract and if Lalonde can get this team to play a consistent, effective system, we're good.
Bury 25% of the pucks we rang off the pipe last year and we're in.
Patrick Kane will take us to the promise land! That guys gonna get paid
Got a homie who is a big Rangers fan. He really liked Gustafsson. He thought he was solid, albeit on the third pair.
The biggest thing is with Kane their full time, we probably won’t see losses like the 4 goal comeback loss to the Sharks in the first half of the season.
It's hard for me to belive the forward production will be nearly as good because the biggest strength was depth . I don't see bottom 6 additions that have track records of putting the puck in the back of the net. Moreover I am concerned that we needed to add another player that doesn't play defense just to add another scoring threat. That said, I am so surprised and pleased to see Kane return that I will likely be satisfied with overall regression
The overall defense has improved so the goals lost shouldn't matter as much since the opposition should also score less.
Don't forget Kane is now here from the start instead of later in the season.
I don't see them being that much better, unfortunately. 2C is still too weak, and we need another top 4 right D.
You've got Chirot in your top pair, 3 RH D-men (and 2 of them are Petry and Holl!) a 37 yr old goalie, and absolutely nobody to pick up the slack when Larkin goes down. Absolutely none of the glaring holes from last year have been addressed or improved, AND you have to count on the Sabres, Sens, NJ, Flyers, Pens, Habs and Caps to not improve. The answer to the question is clearly "no". Now, maybe broker a 3-fer in a trade for 1 solid goalie, somehow find a RHD, and hope against hope that Nate blows everyone away in training camp and automatically jumps into the 2C, and then maybe, but none of those scenarios are likely..
LMFAO so much wrong with your comment. Obviously Yzerman has to get rid of at least 1 defenseman. He's literally said this, and I imagine its Petry or Holl. A 37 year old goalie who's really good, not to mention Lyon who's awesome. Lyon had a fall off last season for the same reason Husso had a fall off the season before. They both got over played. Lalonde should have played the backups more especially against lesser teams, meanwhile he would play the backup against really good teams. Also Husso could bounce back but I doubt it. His post to post play isn't that great. But Lyon knows this is his chance to prove he's the next Tim Thomas type of player whether its for us or another team. Have you seen the goalies we have coming down the pipe? Too many good prospects to waste a trade on a goalie.
I agree with you that no one seemed to step up when Larkin was down. I'm willing to bet Kane and Raymond are going to be those guys this time around. You could tell the entire first hal to 2/3rds of the season Raymond was unsure of himself and Kane coming off major surgery and being the new guy 1/3rd of the way into the season on a "rival team" was probably not ready to step into that role. Seider also is starting to show more leadership. It's a new season. We have to see. I think the big problem is no one scaring other teams into staying away from Larkin, both of his major injuries were the result of a$$holes on other teams getting way too physical with him. We need a legit tough guy to protect our stars.
Let me ask you a legit question. Do you really think the Sabres, Pens, Habs, or Caps actually improved in the offseason? The sens I could see a bit just cause of the goalie they got but he may not do well there. That happens with goalies who have a lot of expectations from new teams. The Flyers? Maybe but aside from the Sabres I can't think of another team in the east that tends to step on their own dicks as much as them. New Jersey legit improved and are going to be a force IMHO, but guess who they're banking on in net. The Sabres did sabre things which means nothing to improve. The Habs improved a bit but not enough (think Detroit 3 seasons ago) to be a legit threat. The caps and pens only got worse. They are both too old and haven't got the prospects or draft pool to fix it quickly.
@@moappleseider1699 I don't disagree with much of what you said, so let me simplify it. There are 3 things that need to be addressed in order for the Wings to be better this year over last.. 1) You need a 2C that can step into the 1C when Larkin is down. Compher is not going to fill that role and we're looking at 2-3 years before Nate can. Sure, Raymond, Kane and adding Vlad will pick up slack in other areas, but 2C is still a void. 2) Chirot is not a top-pair D man on any team, from any dimension, on any planet, from any universe. Having Petry and Holl as your only other RHD is simply unecxeptable. Nothing has been done so far to address this laughably bad D core, which leads me to the 3rd void (which is actually my least worry) goaltending. Look, it doesn't matter who you bring in, any goalie is going to struggle behind this D core. Yes, I know who's in the ranks, but they're still a couple of years out, so the answer is still "no".. They haven't addressed the glaring holes from last year, so they aren't likely to be any better this year. I'm not saying Stevie should have spent the farm in this crazy FA market, or that he didn't try, or that he won't make other moves addressing these problems before the season starts. I'm only saying that as it stands now, the 3 major issues haven't been addressed, so it isn't likely they will be much better than last year.
@@chumpmtb2554 I hear ya, and I agree. Maybe one of the kids will surprise us, earn a spot on 2nd line C. Maybe not. I do think Yzerman plans on making some trades during the season and this might address our worries. I think you and the majority of the fanbase are under the impression that he's done making moves and the evidence points to the contrary
@@chumpmtb2554 We still need a tough guy.
It's a better team without the youth moving up! It's a great team if we have 2 defensemen and 2 offensive players getting called up--full time! In addition, Steve is going to figure out who the best tandem in goal is--even if he has try out every goalie in the league.
First three lines should be better but the fourth line is a bit of a question mark. Defense should be better with Edvinsson on the team all season. Powerplay lost ghost so it might be slightly worse but Gustafsson is a decent replacement. PK pretty much the same. Goaltending is better with Talbot. Still a trade or two away from playoffs. Need a second pair right shot defenseman. Prediction is they get 88 points. If they trade for Trouba or Gudas 96 points.
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Scratches
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I would play Seider as the First power play forward he deserves it more than anyone else.
@@DTA555. Problem with Seider on the PowerPlay is that he lets the guy out of the box get behind him as the penalty expires giving up breakaways. Also he just needs to get quicker with his decision making. And I'd like to see him hit the net more too. He's been a very solid defenceman especially for someone his age. But offensively he still has a lot to prove.
As of right now I don’t think so. We’re down a really decent defender. Our biggest problem isn’t goal scoring. It’s defending. We can’t keep the puck out of the net. And we are worse than last year in that way. And vladdy is just a Perron replacement
We have 4 guys who could score 30+ goals and if 2 of them score 40 then it makes up for what we lost I feel..and yeah that's not a east feat lol I know
We lost two of our offensive defenders. But maybe we’ll allow less goals and not score as many
Edvinsson got hurt 3 times last year. Don't count on that kid playing anywhere near 82 games.
I think it's more than likely Kane will not play 82 games, and we know Larkin definitely will not play 82. With the weakness at center after Larkin I don't see where this team got better. You build a team up the middle, and the Wings aren't doing that. Kasper and Danielson could end up being good second or third line guys. Don't see them bring top line guys.
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I think there will be a lot of pressure next off-season to make a change that is a significant upgrade in a clear weakness. For example, getting a good goalie. Marginal changes like what we're made this year won't be enough I'm afraid
They have their goalie of the future in GR, they aren't going to go for a top tier goalie to block Cossa's path.
Good point RealMcoy. I have faith and will enjoy the ride I'm not one who will be critical of Stevie Y. Life is too short to be unnecessarily negative @RealMcCoy0205
I’d say no
Buyout jeff petry son of dan petry
we need a stanley cup team, not just a playoff team.
Great! Who are you going to get *today* to make that happen *today* and for how much money? Can't find anybody you can afford? Weird how that works isn't it?
That is why it takes time to build through the draft when a team bottoms out like the Wings did.
You have to build a solid core to build around in free agency.
Please stop using Lalonde decision to sit a player as evidence of the players ability. This applies to Holl, Walman and Sprong. Lalonde makes mistakes in talent assessment when he refused to play Berggren who proved himself as a money player in the GR playoffs. All it says is Lalonde is as stubborn as Yzerman modifying his perspective in evaluating talent.
Let's face it Lalonde is Horse-bleep, he is just a hanger-on. Should have had them in the playoffs last season. The big losing streak was on him.