RED WINGS PROSPECT RANKINGS & BERGGREN'S FUTURE - Winged Wheel Podcast - Aug. 11th, 2024
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The Detroit Red Wings have one of the strongest prospect systems in the NHL, but what makes it so great?
Tune in as we evaluate the handiwork of Steve Yzerman, Kris Draper, Hakan Andersson, & the entire Hockeytown crew's drafting and rank the entire Red Wings prospect system, including: Nate Danielson, Axel Sandin Pellikka, Sebastian Cossa, Michael Brandsegg-Nygard, Marco Kasper, Carter Mazur, Trey Augustine, Albert Johansson, Dimitri Buchelnikov, Amadeus Lombardi, Elmer Soderblom, Max Plante, Shai Buium, & more (6:25)!
Next, we discuss Jonatan Berggren's future with the Red Wings as it's not just Moritz Seider & Lucas Raymond without a contract, if he can crack the top 6 alongside the likes of Dylan Larkin, Lucas Raymond, Patrick Kane, Alex DeBrincat, & others, or if his future is outside of Detroit (47:30).
After that, NHL and hockey news including the Hlinka Gretzky Cup (Gavin McKenna, Adam Benak), the Edmonton Oilers & Connor McDavid's devastation post-game 7, & more (54:30) before we take your question & comments in our Overtime segment (1:00:15) - enjoy!
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We need a big year outta Johnny Burgers
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I do not blame McDavid for not coming out for the Conn Smythe. Not only is it a horrible moment for him. It's Florida's moment. The only way that moment is worthwhile is if he comes out to take it and the Panthers all stop, turn, and stick tap while the crowd chants, "Con-nor!" for a beat.
Wallinder was basically a first round pick at #32 in 2020, if he could become a 4D that’d be great.
Thank you, Evan. Nate will play with Kane in the preseason. You heard it here first (or maybe second if Evan was actually saying the same thing, or at least thinking it). 😉 Nate's the real deal.
Nate "the great" Danielson
My opinion on Berggren is they know he can dominate in the AHL being a point per game player but with his two NHL "seasons" being only half a point per game; I think the team wants more than that from him and if he's developed more soundly in his skills since 2022. It would be nice seeing him accomplish cracking the top 6 on the team but who knows. We shall see how he's deployed with his time on the ice. Also what do you with Cossa and Augustine? Split the work. Boston did it with Swayman and Ullmark then wait for someone to pay a kings ransom for the "worst" one.
Buchelnikov has a beast of a shot in accuracy, heat, and quickness. His ability to find a soft spot seems good. Unfortunately, I haven't seen enough of the rest of his game. It is a crime to think he shouldn't come over to see what he's got. After how much runway Pul-cannon and Frky got for having a bomb of a slapshot, Buchelnikov has to get time in GR at some point and maybe a cup of coffee at the NHL.
Great show guys, I can see MBN has a good enough camp this year and they keep him in Grand Rapids if possible.
His own thoughts are as follows.
His future is still uncertain, however, he has a contract with his SHL club. He is supposed to come over for the upcoming camp. Is he likely to take a seat? No, the risk is small that they will actually happen.
He has never played in a higher series than div 1 before. The most natural thing is that he chose Skellefteå AIK (SHL) to grow into a bigger league and preparations for future games in the AHL/NHL. Having a higher ambition today or hope for a higher result is completely wrong in the current situation.
@@billjohansson88 I follow your reasoning. One year in SHL and maybe he makes the jump to NHL like Raymond did.
Aljo will finish top 10 in the Calder voting.
If Kasper's ceiling is low end 2c, then he wasn't worth a top 10 pick
Sounds like another Joe Veleno
It seems like the Wings scouts are placing a lot of weight on playoff performances with prospects. Might be trying to target guys who elevate play during the hard playoff runs.
When THG made a video about the wings a few years ago, he mentioned that when Detroit started making a serious Cup push, Larkin would end up as the 2 or 3rdC. That puts Danielson at 1C, and Kasper at 2C ceiling, Larkin can also play LW, so there are options in the future. Even Yzerman ended at 2C after Federov arrived.
Lgrw (from Aus)
For the What If, might be more interesting to consider if Holland had picked Bouchard like he was going to. He took longer and is still good (not as good, of course). Bouchard, Seider, Raymond is still better than what transpired by a mile.
I’m not trying to throw shade on Bergs, but I never really saw what other see in him. I hope he proves me wrong.
Based on everything that was said including his dominating in Sweden last year, why is # 2 prospect Pellikka not playing in America this year?
Even Zetterberg stayed in Sweden for 3 years after his draft. Datsyuk stayed in Russia for 4 years. Lindstrom developed in Sweden for 2 years. Plus ASP and MBN will be playing for the same team, so that will develop chemistry between the two.
There is only Re Wing one prospect that has played and scored in the NHL and he did not make your top 10 list. Looking forward to all three of you apologizing to Solderblom when he makes the team.
I would say they are about 7th or 8th, majority are first round picks. No late round gems as of yet.
Other than centers.....who are the high end scoring wingers in their prospects pool?
i agree that right now Cossa > Augustine, but in four years Cossa will net us young players and/or prospect(s) as Augustine will be net boss.
Skip to 6:30 for the content
Timestamps also in the description for folks who want to skip ahead!
zach go touch grass
Physical attributes count for a lot! Danielson vs ASB is not equal. Look at the trend over time in the NHL and you will see the average size of players is trending up for a long time. I acknowledge ASB is an elite skater and has a decent shot, has shown high hockey IQ. However, the NHL is a grind, it is an endurance race in the regular season and turns into all out war in the Playoffs. ASB is a risk because of his lack of the physical attributes to endure the grind. That risk substantially lowers his prospect status in comparison to Danielson and also MBN and maybe even Cossa.
You're right. Decent prospects but no high end talent that you'd get from a top 3 pick
MBN will start the season in GR.
ASP is bigger than Quinn Hughes....I think he is big enough for today's NHL.
The memes are how I discovered there even was Olympic "Breakdancing." When the hell did this happen? Please tell me it's quietly been there since the 80s, otherwise... hoo boy.
Berggren gets traded at some point this year
Y’all need time stamps on ur videos
There are timestamps in the description.
My top 25 Detroit Red Wings prospects are:
1. Axel Sandin Pellikka
2. Nate Danielson
3. Marco Kasper
4. Carter Mazur
5. Sebastian Cossa
6. Michael Brandsegg-Nygård
7. Max Plante
8. Trey Augustine
9. Dmitri Buchelnikov
10. Jesse Kiiskinen
11. Albert Johansson
12. Noah Dower Nilsson
13. Shia Buium
14. William Wallinder
15. Emmitt Finnie
16. Elmer Soderblom
17. Anton Johansson
18. Antti Tuomisto
19. Charlie Forslund
20. Andrej Becher
21. Amadeus Lombardi
22. Jakub Rychlovsky
23. Alexandre Doucet
24. Red Savage
25. Carter Gylander
Optimistically I say only 8 of those guys make it to the roster full time.
Love the podcast bots, but you are all wrong about McDavid not accepting trophy after losing. Look back at video of Ron Hextall winning Conn Smythe in 87 after losing. Guy was almost in tears, but he manned up and accepted trophy. McDavid is great, will score a trillion goals, and may win multiple cups, but he chose to sulk and hide in the lockeroom. Humble in Victory Gracious in Defeat. 😴🤔🤷
J-Burg experience in DRW has been unsettled with continuously shifting lines and line mates, bouncing up and down to GR, while having been largely underestimated. He's been justifiably pissed off and have proven himself as a great player. Not only in the regular season, but also in the playoffs. Does Detroit deserve him? I'm not so sure anymore.
Berggrens big issue in the nhl is complete lack of def. Everyone knows he can score. Last year they had sprong therefore they couldn’t bring him up. Same player.
This team has shit on him his whole career. You are absolutely correct, he has NEVER been give a real shot in the top 6, he gets stuck on the 4th line with veleno as his center, no power play time and garbage minutes. He deserves to be traded.
@@jackconrad2667Kane is not Defensive and Tarasenko so it’s only fair to say that they are only going to point out the young players and not Veterans. It’s not the way a Coach should be. Hold everyone accountable no matter who it is then you know everyone is treated fairly and Bergs has a lot to be upset about with his handling on the team. I would ask for a trade.
@@DTA555. Kane isn’t defensive but he is a hall of famer. Its ok. And tarasenko def metrics aren’t great but not terrible either. But the big issue is sprong was exactly the same as Berggren. With sprong gone it opens a lane for berggren.
@@DTA555. but I do understand if berggren wants out. Just because they probably should have kept him up instead of grabbing sprong in the first place
Can someone list out their rankings. They yap way too much
What up with Soderblum,,the BIG GUY ?? No more talk of him,,his he really a last round pick that had a look and has now been given up on ??
He needs to play a lot more physical game, fight sometimes and he will have big impact
Berggren is just like Nyquist
Can’t speak to his past AHL season. Last NHL stint, he was getting knocked off the puck when guys would hit him at his hips. This would knock him off balance and he was losing board battles. Not sure if beefing up his core and lower body would help that.
I was just wondering as the channel rarely mention,s his name,, and I agree as well,,with the size he has,,add a little lbs and muscle and we could have a PLAYER that,s if the kid do,s not mind getting phisical..like the kid in NY..but at least Soderblum can score...