@@FedericoMalagutti one thing u said was there are simple actions and complex actions, and i agree but there is also a third category. Simple actions example- direct thrust Compound action example- parry riposte Complex action example- feint take the blade thrust So simple is one rhythm beat, compound is two, and complex is three or more.
I don't think the feint necessarily means you avoid contact with the opponent's blade altogether, Fiore himself shows us at least two actions that are feints but do make contact - colpo di villano can start from fendente against fendente where you loose the bind on purpose (albeit pulling it off requires a very... enthusiastic opponent), and punta falsa explicitly tells you to strike a mezzano that touches the opponent's blade, but only lightly. With that in mind, a feint is probbly best defined as an attack that has a part of it compromised on purpose (making it ineffective as an attack by itself), but uses that flaw inside of it to gain some advantage in the followup action. The flaw can be not touching the opponent at all (seen in the video), or it can be weak (punta falsa), out of measure (some applications of Meyer's Rosen) or something else entirely (there's a disarm you can pull of with sword and shield if you let yourself be hit in the lower left torso - which can be a good idea with sufficient armor), it just has to chain into another action with an advantage.
We can talk for an indefinite amount of time what can be considered a feint or not, basing our definition and understanding on different manuals from different eras. One of the main things which can be discussed is if we talk about something which can be defined as a feint by the fencer or by the watcher. And for which kind of motivation. But while not entering this infinite topic, while keeping my definition of feint as something who “in the ideal case” while starting from out of the bind avoids the bind, I have to clarify that the feint (meant to land an attack after it in a pre-programmed action) is better outside of the bind (while it can happen in the bind too) because it forces the opponent to use the slower sense, the sight! Otherwise is possible to feint in the bind, and it is possible that a feint collides with a parry occasionally, when the latter happens, it’s matter of the watcher to judge what it was from the outside, or to ask to the fencer what wanted to do.
@@FedericoMalagutti As for infinitely deep discussions, well, pretty much. If this video was called "Basic timings of longsword", it would be a bit too much, but for a compendium, we need that kind of depth - if we don't have it, people using this compendium will miss the possibility of making feints that use a bind. It's why compendiums tend to be tomes thick enough to qualify as a weapon. I'm also not sure about no contact feints being strictly better than ones that use the bind. Some would be, obviously, but there are some that exploit the fact that you got a bind and are trying to process the information from it. Punta falsa is like that, that light tap from the initial mezzano is over very quickly, if you try to probe that bind, you get hit. I also remember seeing a feint from a pretty obscure manuscript - don't remember the name, unfortunately - that actually manages to punish the reliance on tactile information from the bind by making three very rapid taps on the blade to confuse and then hitting an opening. It's one of the rare feints that definitely won't work against beginner to intermediate opponent.
@@MartinGreywolf I think that, as for many other topics, you are exaggerating a bit in your assumptions. First of all is just a selection of some actions. It’s called compendium because I’ll be concise in my explanations, contrary to my standard. But above all, my ideas on fencing are just the ideas of a person. Even if we look at the masters of the past (not comparing myself to them) they had many times really different ideas about the same topic (just look at the Verkehrer in the various Liechtenauer lineage manuals) and today is not that different, if someone watches my video may definitely disagree and watch another and say “oh well, this idea is in my POV better that that one. Maybe you can be the other one, considering how much you like to share info here ;-)
Great and very insightful video, as always :) Where in the Alps are you located ? The landscape and the houses remind me of my family's home, near Cuneo :)
Buona sera Federico. Ho scoperto da poco il tuo canale, insieme al fatto che condividiamo diverse passioni. Guardandoti mi hai trasmesso la passione per questo sport, il che significa che lo pratichi veramente bene per accendere un profano. Vivo nella zona di Siena e fino ad ora non ho trovato nessuno che mi sapesse dare indicazioni concrete su dove poter cominciare. Sono anche entrato a far parte di una compagnia di revocatori medievali, ma non mi basta. Confido che tu sappia darmi qualche informazione. Grazie in anticipo.
Ciao Giuseppe. Prova a contattare “Scherma Storica Firenze ASD” su Facebook che potrebbe essere un’opzione valida anche se non vicinissima. A Siena città che io sappia non ci sono sala.
will you join the #medievalcombatreference ??? it's a thing started by Shadiversity where HEMA channels make videos showing their fight movements and combos, to be a reference for game developers, film choreographers and animators, to make more realistic fight scenes and animations I'd love seeing your attack combos! also Shad specifically named your channel to participate :D please watch the video where he invites you called "A gift for game devs depicting medieval combat"
ahhhh, it's "I know you know I know you know I know"
I love how many subtle actions there are that many others don't notice. Intimidation, deception, purposeful slips of your stoic "mask"
That Scouts patch is a nice touch.
marvelous demostration and narrative! instead of throwing terminologies, just demonstrate what matters, simple wow!
This can help a lot I think. Looking forward to further parts of this
I’m happy that it looks useful;-)
fantastic lesson.Simlar to the tactical wheel in sport fencing.
Wonderful, I hope it will be the start of the new series!
In a sense yes :-)
your videos are pure gold for me trying to establish the first Hema Club in Costa Rica
Cool! I wish you all the best with your project! I'm happy to help HEMA spread around the globe 🙂
Great video, Malagutti! The cool thing 'bout these drills is that are appliable for pretty much any weapon.
Very insightful and educational. Thank you for sharing this with us!
Thank you for this (I just found your channel and think its great).
Thanks ;-)
good work keep it coming
Another excellent video, thank you very much!
You are welcome!
Gonna try to use this to write realistic sword fights in my book. Thanks for the video!
You are welcome!!
This is vert useful. Thank you
Cool!!
even with full armor those strike will kill!! damn midle age is brutal
Lil neck chop
Another great video
Molt bé! I’ll thank for the next part
Thanks! My Grandpa didn't stand a chance.
What is this type of sword called? The one I have isn’t that flexible and does not have the little swell before the guard.
Great video, very useful!
I spy with my little eye, something I really need to practice
Really great!
Thanks!
@@FedericoMalagutti one thing u said was there are simple actions and complex actions, and i agree but there is also a third category.
Simple actions example- direct thrust
Compound action example- parry riposte
Complex action example- feint take the blade thrust
So simple is one rhythm beat, compound is two, and complex is three or more.
Good summary
I don't think the feint necessarily means you avoid contact with the opponent's blade altogether, Fiore himself shows us at least two actions that are feints but do make contact - colpo di villano can start from fendente against fendente where you loose the bind on purpose (albeit pulling it off requires a very... enthusiastic opponent), and punta falsa explicitly tells you to strike a mezzano that touches the opponent's blade, but only lightly.
With that in mind, a feint is probbly best defined as an attack that has a part of it compromised on purpose (making it ineffective as an attack by itself), but uses that flaw inside of it to gain some advantage in the followup action. The flaw can be not touching the opponent at all (seen in the video), or it can be weak (punta falsa), out of measure (some applications of Meyer's Rosen) or something else entirely (there's a disarm you can pull of with sword and shield if you let yourself be hit in the lower left torso - which can be a good idea with sufficient armor), it just has to chain into another action with an advantage.
We can talk for an indefinite amount of time what can be considered a feint or not, basing our definition and understanding on different manuals from different eras.
One of the main things which can be discussed is if we talk about something which can be defined as a feint by the fencer or by the watcher. And for which kind of motivation.
But while not entering this infinite topic, while keeping my definition of feint as something who “in the ideal case” while starting from out of the bind avoids the bind, I have to clarify that the feint (meant to land an attack after it in a pre-programmed action) is better outside of the bind (while it can happen in the bind too) because it forces the opponent to use the slower sense, the sight!
Otherwise is possible to feint in the bind, and it is possible that a feint collides with a parry occasionally, when the latter happens, it’s matter of the watcher to judge what it was from the outside, or to ask to the fencer what wanted to do.
@@FedericoMalagutti As for infinitely deep discussions, well, pretty much. If this video was called "Basic timings of longsword", it would be a bit too much, but for a compendium, we need that kind of depth - if we don't have it, people using this compendium will miss the possibility of making feints that use a bind.
It's why compendiums tend to be tomes thick enough to qualify as a weapon.
I'm also not sure about no contact feints being strictly better than ones that use the bind. Some would be, obviously, but there are some that exploit the fact that you got a bind and are trying to process the information from it.
Punta falsa is like that, that light tap from the initial mezzano is over very quickly, if you try to probe that bind, you get hit.
I also remember seeing a feint from a pretty obscure manuscript - don't remember the name, unfortunately - that actually manages to punish the reliance on tactile information from the bind by making three very rapid taps on the blade to confuse and then hitting an opening. It's one of the rare feints that definitely won't work against beginner to intermediate opponent.
@@MartinGreywolf I think that, as for many other topics, you are exaggerating a bit in your assumptions. First of all is just a selection of some actions. It’s called compendium because I’ll be concise in my explanations, contrary to my standard.
But above all, my ideas on fencing are just the ideas of a person. Even if we look at the masters of the past (not comparing myself to them) they had many times really different ideas about the same topic (just look at the Verkehrer in the various Liechtenauer lineage manuals) and today is not that different, if someone watches my video may definitely disagree and watch another and say “oh well, this idea is in my POV better that that one.
Maybe you can be the other one, considering how much you like to share info here ;-)
Great and very insightful video, as always :)
Where in the Alps are you located ? The landscape and the houses remind me of my family's home, near Cuneo :)
If I remember correctly, in one video it mas mentioned that he's located in Valsesia valley. My bet would be on somewhere around Borgosesia.
As Midora wrote
Thanks!!
Buona sera Federico. Ho scoperto da poco il tuo canale, insieme al fatto che condividiamo diverse passioni. Guardandoti mi hai trasmesso la passione per questo sport, il che significa che lo pratichi veramente bene per accendere un profano. Vivo nella zona di Siena e fino ad ora non ho trovato nessuno che mi sapesse dare indicazioni concrete su dove poter cominciare. Sono anche entrato a far parte di una compagnia di revocatori medievali, ma non mi basta. Confido che tu sappia darmi qualche informazione. Grazie in anticipo.
Ciao Giuseppe. Prova a contattare “Scherma Storica Firenze ASD” su Facebook che potrebbe essere un’opzione valida anche se non vicinissima. A Siena città che io sappia non ci sono sala.
will you join the #medievalcombatreference ???
it's a thing started by Shadiversity where HEMA channels make videos showing their fight movements and combos, to be a reference for game developers, film choreographers and animators, to make more realistic fight scenes and animations
I'd love seeing your attack combos! also Shad specifically named your channel to participate :D
please watch the video where he invites you called "A gift for game devs depicting medieval combat"
I will ;-)