i really wish there was dialogue during the long silence. "so you think you can come into my castle, for my riches, without taking with you my blade's sting, sir galahad?" "nay, i come into your castle for your head. your riches be damned, duke wilfred! have at you!"
@empbac reading the oponent is very important. Here red learned he has the advantage in technique and speed. Seems to always win defensive trades. However later on blue started to get the hang of his style and managed to adapt.
100% one wrong step or adjustment of weight or mistimed rhythm could be death. People have no idea the amount of skill involved in fighting and melee fighting compared to guns.
@@lifeunderthestarstv i fight with axes and shield with steel and is hard in can go very wrong and we fight in lanes so there is alot to think of a spear that can come and hit u in the face and we dont wear that mutch armor becoss we have to look like vikings so is a hard sport but also a very known to us thing we all can pick up
Holy s*it!!! @2:50 - slow the vid down to x0.25 speed. Red faints a non-committal face thrust which doesn't even make body nor sword contact. However, you can tell it's a feint and that he reads Blue's next strike since he SHORT HOPS INTO THE PARRY and counter-slashes into the body! He KNEW Blue would instinctively slash down from a high guard (maybe it was a tell he picked up on or gambled/intuition) or else he wouldn't have parried high while in mid-step. Had this been a real duel with no armor, his guts would have been spewed everywhere... All it takes is a moment to lose it all...damn, pros and masters of their craft are incredible!!!
It was brilliant, though I am a little skeptical. If you watch at the slowest playback, it looks as though he caught the blade under his cross guard, and it actually hit his hands. I could be wrong, but it does look like that.
@@tyleram909 It does look like that, but from the way he angles the sword, it looks like he intended for it to hit the sword guard and it hit his glove due to the bulkiness. If the gloves were removed, maybe we'd be able to see him parry with the sword guard without having his fingers sliced off. It would actually be even more incredible if he held his swinging poise while getting hit in the fingers with such a heavy sword...
responding a little late but this was less of a read and more of conditioning. He feint the face thrust to make his opponent block high. The fastest strike the opponent could do after attempting to block high would be to slash downwards, and the attacker knew that. Great stuff all around.
Yeah there isn’t enough flourishing and spinning like in the Witcher which is very accurate. These guys should watch more Hollywood movies and play games on medieval warfare if they’re gonna try and do this kind of fighting :/
Backflips might actually work. If one of them came out backflipping, the other might be too stunned to react until it was too late. Of course, it would only work once. Ever. I'm pretty sure every future opponent would have heard the story. Still, it would be epic!
I realized it at the half. The blue sock of the one and the oranage of another does not make it easy. The armbands are not well to see, but the stupid blue sock is! And as a layman (beginner) it is not easy to see who do strike, who get the point.
I do Brazillian Jiu Jitsu and we sometimes compete in High School gyms. It depends on how big the competitions are. Big ones usually have to rent out arenas.
not at all lmao. chess is a state based, perfect information game. in chess it doesnt actually matter what your opponent is thinking. here it does. here you can pick an arbitrary action to start an opening. in chess your options are limited based on the first couple moves in the game.
@SSJ To some degree? The main point of chess is figuring out what your opponent wants to do and can do and will do. Sure you can develop a plan but you need to keep your opponents plan in mind.
In case you're like me and it takes 2 points to figure it out: the competitor colors are for their arm bands. It doesn't help that the competitor with the blue arm band is wearing some sort of reddish-orange-pink clothing while the competitor with the red arm band is wearing one blue sock.
I like that you folks now use our scoring system which we've been using for so long. Its good to see the sport preserve the culture along with their history and give fencers a chance to showcase themselves in a safe and controlled environment. This way we all come out winners.
orange guy makes a twist over the right shoulder after the guy in black pushed forward,orange turns with flaring sword and black would be history in a real battle...sad but true.
@@rrenkrieg7988 probably not a classic plate cuirass since their hella unwieldy and would make half their moves impossible. But definitely a gambeson and mail or maybe a Brigandine which all wouldve made that far less then lethal.
Is it just me, or is real life sword fighting way less sexy & exciting than movie sword fighting? What next, finding out that Navy SEALs aren't really lone ninjas who can kill 20 men with Krav Maga moves?
It's simple. A dramatic fight scene in a movie is designed to be as intense and appealing to the widest audience possible. But real techniques are designed to be as effective as possible.
Tuan Nguyen the olympics have totally given into the PC crowd. Any sport involving weapons will soon be removed, except maybe javelin since it was actually in the Grecian Olympics. But shotgun, air rifle, archery, fencing are on the shit list.
thgreatandini “the PC crowd”? What does that even mean? Boxing is far more dangerous than any of the events you mentioned, and it isn’t going anywhere. Neither is wrestling, or judo. Combat sports aren’t going anywhere
3:38 I thought that bit was really disrespectful. Turning his back on his opponent with no acknowledgement, dropping his sword in the middle of the ring for the judge to pick up, throwing his helmet on the ground.
@@collinderrick2159 Well yes, I got that part. And it's got to suck to have your sword bent in the middle of a match. Still, the way he got rid of it, followed by his helmet, made for a rather undignified display.
Or even third. The fight was way closer than the scoring showed. The red one was much more efficient no doubt about that but they both did performance.
I love how the referees know to keep away from the sword strikes, and to use a long stick to convey their instructions at a distance. I wonder what happened to the refs before they figured out that it's best to use a long stick to keep distance. . . . . hmmmm . . .
@@TheStraightestWhitest Give a kendo guy a HEMA weapon and the HEMA guy will destroy the kendo guy. HEMA weapons are stronger too though. Give the HEMA guy a kendo sword(or whatever it's called) and the experienced kendo practitioner will destroy the HEMA guy. Regardless, they could probably kick both of our asses so we have no right to talk.
@@r.l.mcdermid6034 Well no. I do HEMA as a hobby which I've developed thanks to my having been a competitive martial artist for the better part of my life now. A Katana can actually be wielded exactly like a Longsword, and it will still function very well. It's just too heavy for its reach, and the curve may be great for Iajutsu (drawing slash, its primary use), but it becomes a lacking weapon afterwards compared to others in its classification. Put a great HEMA practitioner (not me lol) up against a great Kendo practitioner, and experience would make me bet on the HEMA guy 10/10 regardless of weapon. Kendo is fine, but it's very steeply rooted in tradition. HEMA is also very much rooted in history, but it is based on renaissance era medieval combat, which was the absolute pinnacle of medieval combat. HEMA can be looked at like the MMA of swordfighting. It has combined every style over the centuries to create a superior whole.
I don’t know what are you guys are talking about this was an awful display of a sword fight they will both be dead if the swords were sharpened and they weren’t wearing any type of protection.
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Oh yeah. There was even mention of it in some histrorical fencing text I think. Basically if the opponent is willing to commit suicide to get a hit in, he will get that hit in.
this is so much more similar to the classic fencing i learned than I expected.. a lot of waiting and then a loud clash with about 3- 15 strikes and up to 15 more techniques, and way more stabbing than slashing, just because stabbing requires less big movements. I mean... i should have expected this, but damn I did not expect I still had quite a few misconceptions borrowed from hollywood.
How about mixed swordsmanship in vein of MMA? Such as Roman gladius with a Roman shield vs two-handed sword? Or a buckler & an axe vs long sword & a shield? Different combos of equipment & styles vs each other
2:20 I think blue would have a cut in his face/neck and right underarm cut half, next : thrust to his torso= dead Edit: Ooh, I missed the simultaneous left side neck cut on red...
2:20 *Red gets his arm cut in half* "Oh this is going to blue for sure!" Male judges: *Tie* "Oh damn...Really??? I coulda sworn that Blu-" Female judge: *Red* "Ok! This is blasphemy!!"
I don't usually watch these. Came here cause i was disappointed in kendos limitations. I have one thought/question tho. What's the long staff the ref is carrying for?
Seems like it would be difficult to judge, but I would love it if it could figure that out somehow. The only thing I've ever seen be judged in that style were those M1 Medieval fights.
The way they were scoring, it appears that they were simulating unarmoured combat. So more than one strike would be pointless (excuse the pun). I guess if you were simulating armoured combat you could let the strikes continue until somebody did a technique that would penetrate the imagined armour or find a weak point.
@@Reginaldesq Or until a certain time limit elapsed. Continuous sparring improves sparring levels, in my opinion. Point sparring leads to combatants moving in a hesitant manner. I think in future ..the athletes themselves will demand continuous sparring.
@@jakerogers2042 Yeah ....I can see difficulty in judging being an issue..maybe they'd have to introduce electronic scoring and make rules that for strikes to be scored ..they'd have to be executed with power, balance and accuracy.
@@Estupitastico Except that on the most viewed competition videos, the technique displayed is quite poor, and it's hard to find the historical aspect of it. Even Axel Pettersson agrees on this. As for Skallagrim, he's far from a reference on the matter, and so is Blood&Iron HEMA who benefited from Skall popularity. I would rather recommend Arto Fama, he's an incredible fencer.
that I saw a street sword fight on social media when I was in Asia. The fighters were not actually very skilled, but it was crazier than this, half like a movie, half like two tantrums going for it. I guess it was a gangland scrap. It was intense. One thing I did discover was that, unlike the movies, when the sword hit the loser on the jaw/side of the face, he dropped unconscious before he even hit the ground, like a heavy punch. Then he got fatally hacked as he lay... 8oO ! In the movies, the actors usually turn towards the camera, screaming dramatically as they fall... But now I know that if those sword edges hit you on the face/jaw with concentrated impact, it's lights out like a knock out punch.
if thais are wailing at each other with machets drugs are involved. and if drugs are invoved half your concious mind is altered, "actually trying to stay out of reach ? Why ? im invincible, im rambo."
Machetes have no point so there would be a lot of swinging. Plus tbh the less trained you are the more flailing there is. Just look at those guys, 2 precise swings is simply enough to get a proper hit in
I find the point system weird. Why is getting a hit in scoring a point? Langschwert-fighting is not about getting a hit, its about getting a hit without getting a counter. Also: Do you notice that neither of them is using any of the classic stances as desribed in the long sword treaties? So, while this is certainly long sword fighting... it doesnt look like HEMA to me.
What are you implying? That being hit by a long wouldn't constitute a point? You know that Longsword fencing was done with practically no protection?(from most manuscripts you will only see them wearing gambeson or full steel but that's a different martial art all together.) So a lighter cut to the arm or wrist would constitute as a hit with most likely a lower amount of points due to it being a non vital area.( which can be argued because of not being able to use on of your hands with a two handed sword is pretty bad) From you comment I think you also don't understand how the point system (most often) works. The head and torso tend to be worth 2-3 points (most often 2 from my experience) and the legs and arms 1 point. The amount you score against the opponent subtracts from the amount of points the opponent makes against you if they attack fast enough after each other (around a second of time in between hits) For example I hit your head with a trust and you hit my arms while I am making the trust which would result in me getting 1 point ( 2 - 1). As for not using historical stances they mostly stayed in longpoint and plfug I did see dennis hovering in alber. I would agree with them not using many different stances but that doesn't mean they didn't use any at all. From you comment I constitute that you don't know much about Liechtenauer.
@@arock9174 - Well. When we train, longpoint is usually considerably higher. For me that looked rather like a weird version of the Schlüssel. But thanks for clarifying the point system. It would appear i did'nt quite understand it well enough.
@@D4l4m4r D4l4m4r so.. I kinda expected you to not reply or read this ever if I sounded rude I apologize. I think I was a little to aggressive. I would say that they move into long point while making a trust a view times. You are correct in saying that they don't really change guards much. and mostly stay in pflug (Arms slightly to the left or right of the body while keeping the point aimed at the opponent) and alber (basically the same stance as pflug but with the point aimed downwards.) I don't really know why they do this I can say that they are top level fencers you could probably see them on HEMA ratings.com (scoring system used by basically everyone which keeps track of ranks) or in swordfish tournaments on youtube (basically the European championship of HEMA)
Still I'd prefer if they didn't get a point if they got countered. I mean, in a real scenario, great you wounded him fatally while he only sliced your forearm open, so you win. But not to fight another day, because your hand is irreparably fucked. In reality you would do your best to avoid this, but with this particular point system, you go for it because it scores you a guaranteed point. I think the point system should work in such a way that would force the contestants to behave as close to reality as possible. Any situation that you would want to avoid in a real duel, you should want to avoid in the competition as well.
watching these types of sword sparring videos makes me realize how bad ass these ancient warriors must have been cuz there's almost no video where someone DOESN'T take some form of damage when delivering a winning blow. It's like even if you kill your opponent you walk away with a huge gash somewhere on you... You'd have to be such a master to always have the upperhand and never get seriously injured throughout your warrior career. In mma even the best guys of all time get punched in the face sometimes but you can take several punches and still win the fight. In this shit if u allow even 1 sword to slice your skull open, you're fucked
Yep. Double kills were common, especially if the combatants were without armor. I remember one medieval writer referring to it as "an abomination" , probably because its just not fair.
@@nathankuszewski4579 crazy how someone like miyamoto musashi had multiple duels to the death over his life time and managed to always come out relatively unscathed. Or gladiatiors who won their freedom. Really puts into perspective how incredibly skilled some people must have been. Even Ali used to get punched in every boxing match so its so crazy to think someone could go a lifetime of swordfaire combat without getting any serious lasting injuries and be able to retire. I guess thats why discipline and formation was so crucial in empires like Rome and Sparta. Those big ass shields go a long way too lol
"Sport is a typical counterfeit of action in the traditional sense of the word...Although through the practice of sport it is possible to achieve a temporary evocation of deep forces, what this amounts to is the enjoyment of sensations ...and at most the excitement...from winning a competition"........Way to miss the entire point of the European tradition.
What alternative do you propose? Or are you simply stating that most people today who study martial arts never respect the spiritual aspect and solely compete for ego?
Ok, now the 100 years war makes sense.
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i really wish there was dialogue during the long silence.
"so you think you can come into my castle, for my riches, without taking with you my blade's sting, sir galahad?"
"nay, i come into your castle for your head. your riches be damned, duke wilfred! have at you!"
I would honestly love that
Honestly both of them just want the castle to get away from this pandemic
your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
Why don't we just imagine the dialogue here?
Till 1:50 they tried to figure out how the controls work
Thank you. I hate tutorials.
Just a quick button check.
@empbac reading the oponent is very important. Here red learned he has the advantage in technique and speed. Seems to always win defensive trades. However later on blue started to get the hang of his style and managed to adapt.
@empbac dont forget an important rule......you fight a brawler and brawl a fighter.
That is such a good one! You are great
Honestly them sizing each other up at the beginning is so nerve wracking. It's awesome.
100% one wrong step or adjustment of weight or mistimed rhythm could be death. People have no idea the amount of skill involved in fighting and melee fighting compared to guns.
@@lifeunderthestarstv i fight with axes and shield with steel and is hard in can go very wrong and we fight in lanes
so there is alot to think of a spear that can come and hit u in the face and we dont wear that mutch armor becoss we have to look like vikings so is a hard sport but also a very known to us thing we all can pick up
You really need to get out more often
@@Sionnach1601 And you need to grow up.
Awesome sword fighting aside, i love how that one judge is wearing a nice three-piece suit with a bow-tie but is also wearing sneakers.
one up on Jerry Seinfeld
Its all I can lool at now.
Maybe because formal shoes would mark the gymnasium surface?
Why do people notice things like this?
That one piece of gear gives him really good stats
I love how much sportsmanship is in a sport that’s about trying to hit your oponent with a sword
The dude with the "stick" should've poked them early on saying: "Cmooon, do something." :'D
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@@poisonsquid37 You're someone who can't appreciate humor I take it?
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Holy s*it!!! @2:50 - slow the vid down to x0.25 speed. Red faints a non-committal face thrust which doesn't even make body nor sword contact.
However, you can tell it's a feint and that he reads Blue's next strike since he SHORT HOPS INTO THE PARRY and counter-slashes into the body!
He KNEW Blue would instinctively slash down from a high guard (maybe it was a tell he picked up on or gambled/intuition) or else he wouldn't have parried high while in mid-step.
Had this been a real duel with no armor, his guts would have been spewed everywhere...
All it takes is a moment to lose it all...damn, pros and masters of their craft are incredible!!!
Thank you for that breakdown
It was brilliant, though I am a little skeptical. If you watch at the slowest playback, it looks as though he caught the blade under his cross guard, and it actually hit his hands. I could be wrong, but it does look like that.
@@tyleram909 It does look like that, but from the way he angles the sword, it looks like he intended for it to hit the sword guard and it hit his glove due to the bulkiness.
If the gloves were removed, maybe we'd be able to see him parry with the sword guard without having his fingers sliced off.
It would actually be even more incredible if he held his swinging poise while getting hit in the fingers with such a heavy sword...
responding a little late but this was less of a read and more of conditioning. He feint the face thrust to make his opponent block high. The fastest strike the opponent could do after attempting to block high would be to slash downwards, and the attacker knew that.
Great stuff all around.
While it takes training to pull off, it's not an uncommon play. I pull off a similar one with saber/broadsword often enough.
No backflips or spinning attacks, someone needs to teach these two how it's done!
“I’ll try spinning. Thats a good trick”
Yeah there isn’t enough flourishing and spinning like in the Witcher which is very accurate. These guys should watch more Hollywood movies and play games on medieval warfare if they’re gonna try and do this kind of fighting :/
The question is, is it that neat flourishes are not very 'practical' or that they're not good enough to do it and still win? :Thinking Raptor:
Backflips might actually work. If one of them came out backflipping, the other might be too stunned to react until it was too late. Of course, it would only work once. Ever. I'm pretty sure every future opponent would have heard the story. Still, it would be epic!
@@erikjarandson5458 Haha yeah, though it might be difficult to perform a backflip with any kind of protection :DD
took me until the end to realise, the guy with the blue shoe is red and the guy with all the orange is blue.
It should have been pretty obvious by realizing the strike to point assignment not to mention the armbands.
fuck youre dumb
Arm bands
@@lilslavboi2171 you don't have to be an ass
I realized it at the half.
The blue sock of the one and the oranage of another does not make it easy.
The armbands are not well to see, but the stupid blue sock is!
And as a layman (beginner) it is not easy to see who do strike, who get the point.
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I was disappointed that the victor didn't unscrew his pommel and finish him rightly.
FOR HONORRRRR
Feels good to know powerlifting isn't the only good recreational sport relegated to high school gymnasiums lol.
I do Brazillian Jiu Jitsu and we sometimes compete in High School gyms. It depends on how big the competitions are. Big ones usually have to rent out arenas.
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Ahahahaha
up here in the frozen north all sports are relegated to high school gymnasiums
7:20 was impressive on blue's part, he deserved that point
If you pay attention there were 3 parry's and 0 blows landed but one lady wanted to go the bathroom 😂
I've come to realize that sword fighting is like chess. Strategies and feints, and knowing what play to use.
@JR L This is true only because it's fencing. In a real sword fight you'd have a different approach.
Somewhat, but this isn't sword fighting this is fencing.
@@dodgeplow Well, not exactly. It's just a sudden death mode. Usually the one with the first point wins.
not at all lmao. chess is a state based, perfect information game. in chess it doesnt actually matter what your opponent is thinking. here it does. here you can pick an arbitrary action to start an opening. in chess your options are limited based on the first couple moves in the game.
@SSJ To some degree? The main point of chess is figuring out what your opponent wants to do and can do and will do. Sure you can develop a plan but you need to keep your opponents plan in mind.
it's all fun and games until someone brought in a dragon slayer and arm cannon into the fight
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Berserk joke in this dry season.... Ahhhhh
it would be great if the editor re-played the hits in slow-motion, just a tought great vid
In case you're like me and it takes 2 points to figure it out: the competitor colors are for their arm bands. It doesn't help that the competitor with the blue arm band is wearing some sort of reddish-orange-pink clothing while the competitor with the red arm band is wearing one blue sock.
1:14 if the atheletes were required to consume alchohol before the match this event would draw a larger if less sophisticated audience
Not to mention a hairier and smellier one at that.
one could even say it might draw a lager audience...
3:33 my neck hurts just by watching it
"Sir, how are you feeling about this upcoming duel?"
"Well, I'd like to win, but a Ties Kool too."
I like that you folks now use our scoring system which we've been using for so long. Its good to see the sport preserve the culture along with their history and give fencers a chance to showcase themselves in a safe and controlled environment. This way we all come out winners.
Throwing his feder on the ground... you could say he “lost his Kool.”
Poor blue, nothing was going right for him.
Or.... he bent his sword and discarded it because that's the rules..... jokes aside, of course.
7:26 nice
orange guy makes a twist over the right shoulder after the guy in black pushed forward,orange turns with flaring sword and black would be history in a real battle...sad but true.
But it was awarded to red which annoyed me. That was clearly an amazing piece of skill to attack and get back to defend so quickly
3:35 YOU DIED.
indeed, that was a 100% lethal wound meanwhile the other guy would get only the wrist cutted, that should count..
Watch at 0.25 speed
@@dfo990 but the red also got hit in the chest
@@iTxip a part of your body covered by your plate cuirass, not unlike the other gentleman now bleeding profusely from his pierced throat
@@rrenkrieg7988 probably not a classic plate cuirass since their hella unwieldy and would make half their moves impossible. But definitely a gambeson and mail or maybe a Brigandine which all wouldve made that far less then lethal.
Is it just me, or is real life sword fighting way less sexy & exciting than movie sword fighting?
What next, finding out that Navy SEALs aren't really lone ninjas who can kill 20 men with Krav Maga moves?
It's simple. A dramatic fight scene in a movie is designed to be as intense and appealing to the widest audience possible. But real techniques are designed to be as effective as possible.
It is more interesting though, not in a thrilling way, but seeing how one counters the other and so on.
Well, this is competition,not combat. They're focused on getting points.
Also, there Not actually trying to kill each other
Real fights don't, last more then a few minutes at best most of the time. One clean hit can end the fight on an unarmoured person.
what happened to the scoreboard that would pop during the first part of the video?
Funding from sponsorship ran out part way through :P
I demand in the olympics
Tuan Nguyen the olympics have totally given into the PC crowd. Any sport involving weapons will soon be removed, except maybe javelin since it was actually in the Grecian Olympics. But shotgun, air rifle, archery, fencing are on the shit list.
thgreatandini “the PC crowd”? What does that even mean? Boxing is far more dangerous than any of the events you mentioned, and it isn’t going anywhere. Neither is wrestling, or judo. Combat sports aren’t going anywhere
Strongly disagree, as it would likely go the same way Olympic fencing did; which was why the HEMA movement was formed in the first place.
ExDragonMaster this guy gets it, olympic tkd is similarly mangled
Olympics ruin Combat Sports.
When the dude in the orange suit took his helmet off, I immediately was like "Jaime?"
That was fun to watch, really reminded me of our Karate tournaments. The judging was extremely similar
3:38
I thought that bit was really disrespectful. Turning his back on his opponent with no acknowledgement, dropping his sword in the middle of the ring for the judge to pick up, throwing his helmet on the ground.
His sword broke, and although throwing on the ground was prob not a good idea, he did it bc his sword bent
@@collinderrick2159 Well yes, I got that part. And it's got to suck to have your sword bent in the middle of a match. Still, the way he got rid of it, followed by his helmet, made for a rather undignified display.
@@OptimalOwl yes i do agree with that, just wanted you to know that's what happened, in case you couldnt tell for some reason
Imagine standing vs another man knowing only 1 of you will be alive at the end of the duel.
That is crazy scary, dying by blade must really suck.
Duels in general are like that. Same sentiment with guns and similar level of suckiness really
@@EternalShadow1667 Depends, not all duels are to the death
Most entertaining and intriguing to watch. Both swordsmen very skilled. Awesome.
Tell me when it's over 😴😴😴
@@Sionnach1601fr💀 after watching one piece and seeing zoro i got all excited but know my reality and dream have been crushed by whatever this was
That initial feeling out and baiting stage is impressive. How they have the patience!
Great fencing and judging, thanks for the upload
i do think blue deserved the second point
Or even third. The fight was way closer than the scoring showed. The red one was much more efficient no doubt about that but they both did performance.
Imagine having to fight in a real battle and having to rely mostly on reflexes and muscle memory to not die at any moment. Intense!
I love how the referees know to keep away from the sword strikes, and to use a long stick to convey their instructions at a distance. I wonder what happened to the refs before they figured out that it's best to use a long stick to keep distance. . . . . hmmmm . . .
But honestly, respect to the referee, he's not wearing any protective equipment (except sneakers lol from prior comment)
finally a sport it could grow on me ...
I want this sport. It's better than Kendo.
@@gerloke914 And beats the shit out of Kendo as well, badly. Look up HEMA VS Kendo.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Give a kendo guy a HEMA weapon and the HEMA guy will destroy the kendo guy. HEMA weapons are stronger too though. Give the HEMA guy a kendo sword(or whatever it's called) and the experienced kendo practitioner will destroy the HEMA guy. Regardless, they could probably kick both of our asses so we have no right to talk.
@@r.l.mcdermid6034 Well no. I do HEMA as a hobby which I've developed thanks to my having been a competitive martial artist for the better part of my life now. A Katana can actually be wielded exactly like a Longsword, and it will still function very well. It's just too heavy for its reach, and the curve may be great for Iajutsu (drawing slash, its primary use), but it becomes a lacking weapon afterwards compared to others in its classification.
Put a great HEMA practitioner (not me lol) up against a great Kendo practitioner, and experience would make me bet on the HEMA guy 10/10 regardless of weapon. Kendo is fine, but it's very steeply rooted in tradition. HEMA is also very much rooted in history, but it is based on renaissance era medieval combat, which was the absolute pinnacle of medieval combat. HEMA can be looked at like the MMA of swordfighting. It has combined every style over the centuries to create a superior whole.
I don’t know what are you guys are talking about this was an awful display of a sword fight they will both be dead if the swords were sharpened and they weren’t wearing any type of protection.
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"Are you ready?" *Points
BEGIN!
すっげぇな、こんな長い攻め合い……まるで戦前の剣道の試合みたいだ
Ljungquist seems to be hitting a bit hard :-)
I dont know how to pronounce the name
@AZ Desert Prepper first rool of HEMA: be f***ing polite to your oponent, or you can end up in a hospital
Amazing to watch, so fast but subtle.
Pretty cool.
Now what the * has happened since the first strike? I could barely see something with 0.25 speed
I guess it was not uncommon that both sword fighters died in a fight back then. 3:33 and 5:11 was such an attack.
Oh yeah. There was even mention of it in some histrorical fencing text I think. Basically if the opponent is willing to commit suicide to get a hit in, he will get that hit in.
imagine if all movie sword fights were like this
this is so much more similar to the classic fencing i learned than I expected.. a lot of waiting and then a loud clash with about 3- 15 strikes and up to 15 more techniques, and way more stabbing than slashing, just because stabbing requires less big movements. I mean... i should have expected this, but damn I did not expect I still had quite a few misconceptions borrowed from hollywood.
What is the judge with the pole for? To separate them without having to step iN?
aw! that poor sword!
I think Blue should have scored the point at 7:25
Great stuff ! 👍
How about mixed swordsmanship in vein of MMA? Such as Roman gladius with a Roman shield vs two-handed sword? Or a buckler & an axe vs long sword & a shield? Different combos of equipment & styles vs each other
They have that. It's called armored combat league.
this isn't how it looks in Highlander
yeah.. somehow in real life I don't think he would be the ONE!
Highlander uses a claymore
2:20 I think blue would have a cut in his face/neck and right underarm cut half, next : thrust to his torso= dead
Edit: Ooh, I missed the simultaneous left side neck cut on red...
Great work, well done chaps.
Quarantine brings interesting videos out. Tbh, everything seem interesting during this time.
Its like point karate! Hell yeah!
Well shit! The first 2 min were just riveting....
So when I touch someone lightly on the arm I get the same points as trusting with full force to the heart?
Where is best place to buy one of those HEMA jackets ?
2:20
*Red gets his arm cut in half*
"Oh this is going to blue for sure!"
Male judges: *Tie*
"Oh damn...Really??? I coulda sworn that Blu-"
Female judge: *Red*
"Ok! This is blasphemy!!"
kinda reminds me old darth vader and obi wan
Never heard about it. Very nice as behourd
Really good exchanges! Judge calls were quite questionable tho...
Took them a minute and a half to swing at each other
I don't usually watch these. Came here cause i was disappointed in kendos limitations. I have one thought/question tho. What's the long staff the ref is carrying for?
Nice presentation, but the resolution is so low that I can't clearly read the contestant names. Would have helped to at least post them in the notes.
Way more entertaining then the Fencing, to me.
This is fencing.
Is it possible to do this as continuous rather than point sparring?
Seems like it would be difficult to judge, but I would love it if it could figure that out somehow. The only thing I've ever seen be judged in that style were those M1 Medieval fights.
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The way they were scoring, it appears that they were simulating unarmoured combat. So more than one strike would be pointless (excuse the pun). I guess if you were simulating armoured combat you could let the strikes continue until somebody did a technique that would penetrate the imagined armour or find a weak point.
@@Reginaldesq Or until a certain time limit elapsed. Continuous sparring improves sparring levels, in my opinion. Point sparring leads to combatants moving in a hesitant manner. I think in future ..the athletes themselves will demand continuous sparring.
@@jakerogers2042 Yeah ....I can see difficulty in judging being an issue..maybe they'd have to introduce electronic scoring and make rules that for strikes to be scored ..they'd have to be executed with power, balance and accuracy.
1st time i see longsword combat and i ´m so fascinate and hook up!
First time watching fencing tbh... just wondering if I mistakenly though they actually used the pointy things
@@Estupitastico Except that on the most viewed competition videos, the technique displayed is quite poor, and it's hard to find the historical aspect of it. Even Axel Pettersson agrees on this. As for Skallagrim, he's far from a reference on the matter, and so is Blood&Iron HEMA who benefited from Skall popularity. I would rather recommend Arto Fama, he's an incredible fencer.
This is with feders, not foils/epees/sabres
that I saw a street sword fight on social media when I was in Asia. The fighters were not actually very skilled, but it was crazier than this, half like a movie, half like two tantrums going for it. I guess it was a gangland scrap. It was intense.
One thing I did discover was that, unlike the movies, when the sword hit the loser on the jaw/side of the face, he dropped unconscious before he even hit the ground, like a heavy punch. Then he got fatally hacked as he lay... 8oO !
In the movies, the actors usually turn towards the camera, screaming dramatically as they fall... But now I know that if those sword edges hit you on the face/jaw with concentrated impact, it's lights out like a knock out punch.
if thais are wailing at each other with machets drugs are involved. and if drugs are invoved half your concious mind is altered, "actually trying to stay out of reach ? Why ? im invincible, im rambo."
Machetes have no point so there would be a lot of swinging. Plus tbh the less trained you are the more flailing there is. Just look at those guys, 2 precise swings is simply enough to get a proper hit in
I find the point system weird. Why is getting a hit in scoring a point? Langschwert-fighting is not about getting a hit, its about getting a hit without getting a counter.
Also: Do you notice that neither of them is using any of the classic stances as desribed in the long sword treaties? So, while this is certainly long sword fighting... it doesnt look like HEMA to me.
D4l4m4r yes It did look a bit odd
What are you implying?
That being hit by a long wouldn't constitute a point?
You know that Longsword fencing was done with practically no protection?(from most manuscripts you will only see them wearing gambeson or full steel but that's a different martial art all together.) So a lighter cut to the arm or wrist would constitute as a hit with most likely a lower amount of points due to it being a non vital area.( which can be argued because of not being able to use on of your hands with a two handed sword is pretty bad)
From you comment I think you also don't understand how the point system (most often) works.
The head and torso tend to be worth 2-3 points (most often 2 from my experience) and the legs and arms 1 point.
The amount you score against the opponent subtracts from the amount of points the opponent makes against you if they attack fast enough after each other (around a second of time in between hits)
For example I hit your head with a trust and you hit my arms while I am making the trust which would result in me getting 1 point ( 2 - 1).
As for not using historical stances they mostly stayed in longpoint and plfug I did see dennis hovering in alber.
I would agree with them not using many different stances but that doesn't mean they didn't use any at all.
From you comment I constitute that you don't know much about Liechtenauer.
@@arock9174 - Well. When we train, longpoint is usually considerably higher. For me that looked rather like a weird version of the Schlüssel.
But thanks for clarifying the point system. It would appear i did'nt quite understand it well enough.
@@D4l4m4r D4l4m4r so.. I kinda expected you to not reply or read this ever if I sounded rude I apologize. I think I was a little to aggressive.
I would say that they move into long point while making a trust a view times.
You are correct in saying that they don't really change guards much. and mostly stay in pflug (Arms slightly to the left or right of the body while keeping the point aimed at the opponent) and alber (basically the same stance as pflug but with the point aimed downwards.)
I don't really know why they do this I can say that they are top level fencers you could probably see them on HEMA ratings.com (scoring system used by basically everyone which keeps track of ranks) or in swordfish tournaments on youtube (basically the European championship of HEMA)
Still I'd prefer if they didn't get a point if they got countered. I mean, in a real scenario, great you wounded him fatally while he only sliced your forearm open, so you win. But not to fight another day, because your hand is irreparably fucked. In reality you would do your best to avoid this, but with this particular point system, you go for it because it scores you a guaranteed point. I think the point system should work in such a way that would force the contestants to behave as close to reality as possible. Any situation that you would want to avoid in a real duel, you should want to avoid in the competition as well.
Seems like a fun community to be a part of
Where do people find the kind of swords you use for competition ? I want one. Can someone tell me where I can get one?
If you look up "federschwert", you should easily find several makers. The standard for competition is Regenyei Armory.
Huh I never knew this was a thing. Very cool.
it's called HEMA and i hope it grows more.
How can one accumulate dueling scars if one is always wearing those helmets
Sadly you don't really get good scars from feders anyway. Best you can hope for is getting stabbed in the eye and getting to wear an eyepatch.
I have one big scar from broken feder that went through my jacket.
How would swordfighting work between 16th century Europeans and Japanese ?
That was totally wicked!
Omg what the hell kind of swords are they using? Is that normal?? I've never seen feders gent bent like that!!
Those are some fairly thick Regenyei feders. I think they're 0.5 or 1 mm thicker than his "standard" heavy feder.
Im getting scared for my feder when I saw those bends, it made me hurt on the inside
watching these types of sword sparring videos makes me realize how bad ass these ancient warriors must have been cuz there's almost no video where someone DOESN'T take some form of damage when delivering a winning blow. It's like even if you kill your opponent you walk away with a huge gash somewhere on you... You'd have to be such a master to always have the upperhand and never get seriously injured throughout your warrior career. In mma even the best guys of all time get punched in the face sometimes but you can take several punches and still win the fight. In this shit if u allow even 1 sword to slice your skull open, you're fucked
Yep. Double kills were common, especially if the combatants were without armor. I remember one medieval writer referring to it as "an abomination" , probably because its just not fair.
@@nathankuszewski4579 crazy how someone like miyamoto musashi had multiple duels to the death over his life time and managed to always come out relatively unscathed. Or gladiatiors who won their freedom. Really puts into perspective how incredibly skilled some people must have been. Even Ali used to get punched in every boxing match so its so crazy to think someone could go a lifetime of swordfaire combat without getting any serious lasting injuries and be able to retire. I guess thats why discipline and formation was so crucial in empires like Rome and Sparta. Those big ass shields go a long way too lol
That’s why they had shields and armour. Without them, you’re in huge trouble on a battlefield.
DOIT! JUST DOIT!!!! DON'T LET YOUR DREAMS BE DREAMS!!!
what are they looking at when they put their flags up?
"Sport is a typical counterfeit of action in the traditional sense of the word...Although through the practice of sport it is possible to achieve a temporary evocation of deep forces, what this amounts to is the enjoyment of sensations ...and at most the excitement...from winning a competition"........Way to miss the entire point of the European tradition.
Hey man, most people aren't interested in fighting in life or death combat anymore
@@ChaiWithSpice Unless some of them get seriously drunk :/
What alternative do you propose? Or are you simply stating that most people today who study martial arts never respect the spiritual aspect and solely compete for ego?
Where’s the dialogue, the exciting revenge talk?
"I have you now, my dear count."
That was all in the previous episode.
"sir, your mother is a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries".
The Judge: What, we're wearing black vest? I didn't get the memo.
I wish there were some commentary.
I would have unskrewed my pommel and ended them both rightly.
I've been looking for you, my friend...
What's the giant stick for?
The blonde judge is pretty darn cute...seriously awesome to see fencing with long swords, both fencer are very impressive.
I am the 667th like. I have exorcised the evil number
The only two guys out there without beards are the ones fighting....classic. :P
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And to take a break from all the excitement I turn to channel 7 for the curling finals.
I guess I'll be the first to comment on that little "hakkaa päälle" at 2:34.
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@@irtazaazam2573 what does it mean?
@@alessandrodimilla8450 cut them down
@@irtazaazam2573 thank you c:
Pohjanmaan kautta
I used to be an awesome sword fighter...then I took an arrow in the knee.
Когда на седьмой минуте погнулся меч - я начал плакать от смеха... спорт одним словом...
I wonder if there is like an mma for weapons.
Finally a REAL sport
yeah cuz MMA isnt real at all